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……the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit…..

Ya’ll are a hard crowd!  I think you should ease up on Petah……he’s taken just about enough heat for his garboed spelling.     Wolfgang hey, us immigrants gotta stick togethah.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L — Lazarus Cooke

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream, Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus

        dear mr. cooke:  i am pleased to represent mr. peetah charles, late of the royal air force, in all his domestic relations…um, matters.         this is to advise that any further (farther?) references to the woman formerly known as "greta" will result in our immediate action at law, wherein your private parts will first be exposed (while at rest) to several cheerleaders from the university of south carolina, followed by their immediate severance from your person.         it is our earnest hope that this caution will suffice to silence any further (yep, that’s it) references to the aforementioned lady, her heirs, assigns, or private investigators. yr. obt. svt. a.wayne harrison,  atty at law.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L

So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

In Vermont many of the small brookie streams I fish the only way is to fish straight up. I walk up some streams for over 8 hours. Sometimes I can get up-and-across cast, but mostly, due to foliage, the cast it straight up and down the river. Most of the line floats and lands on the water where I get strikes. Isn’t low pressure a wonderful thing? Gary

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit.

South – North, what’s a little geography between friends. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club)

still pissed that I swiped your date, eh? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . .

the university brass had astroturf installed at the football stadium to keep ‘em from grazing during halftime. i don’t quite understand the decision really, considering that was the only entertainment value with a NC football ticket. waldo

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

I had a casting lesson years ago from Andy Murray, the Hardy casting expert, who said firmly that it was perfectly possible with a 9′ leader only. I use a longer one – more to avoid drag than anything else, probably about 12′ all told, (ie inc bit of thick mono tied to line, then tippet tied to 9′ tapered leader) but it’s what I do – on the Itchen & Test, which are pretty clear. Not DEAD upstream, unless I’m casting right handed from the right bank, but yes, then. Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream,

Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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<SNIP a foot above the trout. He nailed the fly, jumped once and threw the hook. He was maybe 10 to 12 inches long. It was fun and satisfying to finally hook it but a bit anticlimactic. Willi

I find it very satisfying to catch fish from difficult lies. I don

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Hello Fred Bringman I recently got a good deal on several spools of WF-7-F Orvis Drift Boat Fly Line.  The problem is the flyline is a very bright fluorescent Orange. Can flyline be dyed?  If so can anyone give me some guidance on how to dye the line to get a much softer color.

Found this scroll to the bottom of the page http://www.greensboro.com/flyfish/news/1999_10.htm Thank you in advance.

you are welcome. Fred

– Don’t Worry, Be Happy! IRC Sandyb in #Rabble uk1.arcnet.vapor.com port:6667 Sandy (http://www.ftscotland.co.uk)

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I recently got a good deal on several spools of WF-7-F Orvis Drift Boat Fly Line.  The problem is the flyline is a very bright fluorescent Orange.

OK, someone give me a clue: WTF makes a line a "drift boat fly line"? /daytripper (um…with a collection of…um…"non-drift boat fly lines"…)

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I recently got a good deal on several spools of WF-7-F Orvis Drift Boat Fly Line.  The problem is the flyline is a very bright fluorescent Orange. OK, someone give me a clue: WTF makes a line a "drift boat fly line"? /daytripper (um…with a collection of…um…"non-drift boat fly lines"…)

Because it’s orange (gotta tell this guy everything – sheesh.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fly lines dye particularly easily, much easier than it would seem. Here in New Zealand we use subdued colored lines and are used to dieing fly-lines of visiting U.S. anglers. We do about 3 a week at the lodge I am with. A standard Ritt dye in Dark Olive is usually pretty effective and gives a nice finish. The dye is mixed in a largish pot and brought to boiling point, then it is left to cool until you can just tolerate putting your finger in (Careful with this bit, of all the lines we’ve done we’ve never damaged one but a couple of fingers have been The line is then put into the dye in loose coils and weighted down so it’s submerged. it’s then left over night. In the morning a rinse is all that’s required to have the line ready for use. As a rule we usually only do the last 20 or so feet of line, but there’s no reason not to dye the whole thing. I know it would appear that the heat would destroy the plastic. The reality is, it doesn’t.

And this works, or seems to, for all line types, without apparent lessening of any factor?  The reason I’m curious is that it would seem that if it readily absorbs the dye, it would seem to readily absorb water.  I also have to wonder (really "wonder," not sarcastically "gotta wonder ’bout that" – I have no idea what chemicals are present, and so, have no idea of the possible effects) if the dye causes any ill-effects to the line, coating, etc.  And something else just occurred to me: if the water-based dye penetrates to the braid, what about the weight of the dye, and how long do you have to wait for the water to evaporate out – it seems simply rinsing and going would be using a "water- and dye-logged" line, but ??? My "cowboy logic" tells me that if this were both a good idea and readily-workable as "SOP," that someone would have marketed a white line with dyes available, given all the falderall over line color.  Of course, perhaps someone does, and I just don’t know about it <G… I’d like to hear more about this, please. TC R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hope that helps. Clark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Fred Bringman I recently got a good deal on several spools of WF-7-F Orvis Drift Boat Fly Line.  The problem is the flyline is a very bright fluorescent Orange. Can flyline be dyed?  If so can anyone give me some guidance on how to dye the line to get a much softer color. Found this scroll to the bottom of the page http://www.greensboro.com/flyfish/news/1999_10.htm Thank you in advance. you are welcome. Fred

One note of caution for Airflo fans.  Their lines are polyurethane not PVC and melt at  much lower temperature.  I just found out the hard way when I used a heat gun to tighten some heat shrink tubing.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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And this works, or seems to, for all line types, without apparent lessening of any factor?  The reason I’m curious is that it would seem that if it readily absorbs the dye, it would seem to readily absorb water.

Not necessarily.  I’m no dye expert, but I do a lot of tissue staining in my day job, and I suspect that much of the chemistry is very similar.  The fact that a dye is in aqueous solution and that the dye is capable of penetrating a given material doesn’t necessarily mean that the water will be carried along into that material.  Remember that while a plactic may be hydrophobic, it cannot avoid coming into close contact with water it is immersed in. This, obviously, also brings dyes molecules into contact.  The individual dye molecules may or may not pass directly from the water into the surface of the plastic depending on the chemistry involved, and may also penetrate to some depth, again, without carrying any of the water. I also have to wonder (really "wonder," not sarcastically "gotta wonder ’bout that" – I have no idea what chemicals are present, and so, have no idea of the possible effects) if the dye causes any ill-effects to the line, coating, etc.

There is a wide range of chemical reactions which may take place in dyeing. Some of them can be very destructive to either the dyes or the substrates, or both, depending on their chemical and physical properties.  The addition of mordants or other adjuncts can also complicate matters.  That said, it is also obvious that dyeing is a hugely successful and pretty well understood practice.  There are doubtless all kinds of good references which would help one determine in advance whether a particular application is safe and effective for a given material, but they can be hard to ferret out.  It’s best to find out from manufacturers (if possible) what their recommendations are.  If that isn’t possible or practical, testing on scraps is the next best thing.  But, on the face of it, the mere fact that a dye penetrates into a material is no reason to be concerned that it reacts in any harmful way.  The bad news is that when damage DOES occur, it is not necessarily immediately obvious.  Some problems take a while to develop to the point where they are noticeable.  Meanwhile, if others have had success in using a given brand and color of dye on a particular line, I’m inclined to believe that it’s safe enough, but this does NOT mean that any dye will be effective and safe with any line.  Still best to err on the side of caution. And something else just occurred to me: if the water-based dye penetrates to the braid, what about the weight of the dye, and how long do you have to wait for the water to evaporate out – it seems simply rinsing and going would be using a "water- and dye-logged" line, but ???

All of the above notwithstanding, it IS possible that something in a dye will react with a line coating to reduce it’s hydrophobic qualities.  If this does happen, the ultimate result is questionable, but I suspect that the damage will likely be permanent and the line destroyed.  The problem is that some sort of chemical reaction has taken place and the odds that it will be reversed on drying are vanishingly small. My "cowboy logic" tells me that if this were both a good idea and readily-workable as "SOP," that someone would have marketed a white line with dyes available, given all the falderall over line color.

Much more profitable to sell someone another line, I should think. Of course, perhaps someone does, and I just don’t know about it <G…

I’ve never heard of any such either. I’d like to hear more about this, please.

Even more than this?     Wolfgang

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See articles on dyeing fly-lines here; http://www.flugfiskesidan.com/magazine/uk/current.asp http://www.greensboro.com/flyfish/news/1999_10.htm  ( Scroll down) http://www.steelheadsite.com/rigging/messages/2606.shtml http://www.iffa.org.uk/dyinglines.htm TL MC

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As you will see if you read the articles. At least one author says that dyeing the lines reduces their useful life up to 30%. My own experiments along these lines, ( sorry!), suggest that the dyeing process leaches out quite a lot of the PVC softeners, and there may also be some chemical reactions, which cause the lines to crack prematurely. I have dyed quite a few lines in the past, but don

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Do not learn to cast. Very bad. Too much like work. Learn to draw pretty pictures. ….take a deep breath, assume the lotus position and let your mind begin to wander and then to wonder…if necessary, use the ancient relics and the secret blend of herbs to attain a sated state of complete relaxation… While sitting…grasp the rod. Hold it. Feel it. Become one with it. …. Learn how to gently coax line from the tip. Learn to move the line to different places. Use as little motion as possible in order to not molest or in any way raise your pulse rate. Your breathing should become deeper and slower as you bond with your rod. Start off with small strokes. Gently teasing and calling….calling…. Learn, seek the way to keep the line in the air…..slowly….how to keep it in the air with the least energy expenditure…..can you make it straight.? Can you, with a flick of the wrist, a flex of your forearm, make the line go straight out in front of you?  Can you make it then go straight out in back of you? Can you keep the ess curves out of your line? Can you keep the line flat and straight, curving only to change from forwards to backwards?  Can you feel the line so softly and tenderly tugging and pulling – yearning to be free of the rod and thus of it’s master? repeat……this is my rod. There are many like it, but this one is mine…… john

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asadi wrote… repeat……this is my rod. There are many like it, but this one is mine……

My rod is my best friend, it is my life.  I must master it as I must master my life.  Without me my rod is useless, without my rod I am useless.  I must cast my rod true.  I must cast better than my friend who is trying to outfish me.  I must catch fish before he outfishes me.  I will.   Before God I swear this creed.  My rod and myself are defenders of our rivers.  We are the masters of the trout.  We are the saviors of fish.   So be it.  Until there are no fishless days but catching.   Amen. — Warren (amazed at how memories from 10+ years ago can flood your mind as fresh as if the events just happened….) PS – This is my rod and this is my gun.  This is for fishing, this is for fun….. Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Do not learn to cast. Very bad. Too much like work. Learn to draw pretty pictures. …

        (etherial wisdom snipped) john

        i knew it would only be a matter of time before you got these techhies on the right path, john.         it must be tough being the only bodhisattva on roff. your friend in the old north state wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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… the secret blend of herbs to attain a sated state of complete relaxation…

Yeah, that’s the part I like about fishing with you, John. I just gotta remember to tie on the fly BEFORE I toke the secret herb. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hello asadi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do not learn to cast. Very bad. Too much like work. Learn to draw pretty pictures. ….take a deep breath, assume the lotus position and let your mind begin to wander and then to wonder…if necessary, use the ancient relics and the secret blend of herbs to attain a sated state of complete relaxation… While sitting…grasp the rod. Hold it. Feel it. Become one with it. …. Learn how to gently coax line from the tip. Learn to move the line to different places. Use as little motion as possible in order to not molest or in any way raise your pulse rate. Your breathing should become deeper and slower as you bond with your rod. Start off with small strokes. Gently teasing and calling….calling…. Learn, seek the way to keep the line in the air…..slowly….how to keep it in the air with the least energy expenditure…..can you make it straight.? Can you, with a flick of the wrist, a flex of your forearm, make the line go straight out in front of you?  Can you make it then go straight out in back of you? Can you keep the ess curves out of your line? Can you keep the line flat and straight, curving only to change from forwards to backwards?  Can you feel the line so softly and tenderly tugging and pulling – yearning to be free of the rod and thus of it’s master? repeat……this is my rod. There are many like it, but this one is mine…… john

Never had a dirty phone call and this is my first erotic newsgroup post……or did I just read it wrong <G May your Yin and Yang be in harmony always, and your Ch’i flow freely. — Don’t Worry, Be Happy! IRC Sandyb in #Rabble uk3.arcnet.vapor.com port:6667 Sandy (http://www.ftscotland.co.uk)   (Replace noway with sandy to email)

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asadi [held it in a *real* long time then] posted…. Learn, seek the way to keep the line in the air

yes…young grasshooker …..slowly….how to keep it in the air with the least energy

expenditure….. yes…i can see it now…master bong lit can you make it straight.?

yes…ho wang…but for the fleeting flap of a single gnats nad… Can you, with a flick of the wrist, a flex of your forearm, make the line go straight out in front of you?

yes…huk lo…but then it will stay there forever (sometimes even with a mighty samurai pull) Can you make it then go straight out in back of you?

yes…far flung…I think I am ready…can I try to snatch the splitshot from your palm ? Can you keep the ess curves out of your line?

yes…but I can’t keep the fuk ng knots from my 5x… — The Halfordian Golfer

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 Very bad. Too much like work. Some days it does feel that way.  Feel it. Become one with it. …. When I bring to mind my favorite places, most of them are places that for some reason or another, are more likely to give me one of those special days. On these days, "you" can get lost in the experience and all is right with the world. I’ve only had these sort of days when I was fishing alone. When I bring other people to these places, the trips are often disappointing because their "specialness" isn’t because of exceptional fish catching. Willi PS Before I once again get accused of not having a sense of humor, I DID see the humor in John’s post.

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I’ll be going to Thompson Falls Montana within the nex t two weeks to pilot a logging helicopter.  We usually work from 5:30 am until about 3:00 PM, depending upon the winds.  This leaves me a lot of time to fly fish. Does anyone know a good place to fish for flies in and around Thompson Falls Montana? Mike

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 Does anyone know a good place to fish for flies in and around Thompson Falls Montana? Mike

just build up a good body sweat and stand in the woods just about anywhere, and you’ll catch plenty of flies.  don’t believe that old honey/vinegar story. <G jeff (lord of the flies)

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I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott

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fished the missouri today. big browns! it is open we think all is well. there were lots of fires this summer that got in the way. check out the little blackfoot. primo west throat cut throat territory. littleblackfootriverretreat.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Water temperatures are fine on our side of the divide (high 50’s) and the rivers are NOT closed (except maybe the Missouri, haven’t heard whether they reopened that one or not). We have had cool weather and decent rain. The governor did lift the restrictions but we are still at level IV, which means NO campfires, stoves, etc. except in developed designated campgrounds. With more rain that will get better. Fishing should be fantastic although everybody and his uncle will be out there now that we can fish again (after a month of NO FISH). Have fun. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022 I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott Montana opened a lot of closed land today. Some areas..Beaverhead County I believe are still closed. As for the rivers…everyone I have seen, except the Madison, are painfully low and as far as I know closed to fishing.  Even if they are open I would not fish them. We need more water, but more importantly we need cooler water temps. and that is happening…slowly.  The Madison was fishing just great last week.  Water temps. around 58-59 degrees…flow is near normal.  I heard the Beaverhead was looking good but very crowded…also heard the Henry’s Fork is fishing well.

Brian good to hear the water temps have dropped and the rivers ARE open.  A buddy of mne was doing some business out toward Superior so he checked out the river along the frontage road…he said it was boiling!  The cool weather and overcast skies sure help alot. Maybe this weekend I forget about selling trees and shrubs and head for the river!

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Water temperatures are fine on our side of the divide (high 50’s) and the rivers are NOT closed (except maybe the Missouri, haven’t heard whether they reopened that one or not). We have had cool weather and decent rain. The governor did lift the restrictions but we are still at level IV, which means NO campfires, stoves, etc. except in developed designated campgrounds. With more rain that will get better. Fishing should be fantastic although everybody and his uncle will be out there now that we can fish again (after a month of NO FISH). Have fun. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott Montana opened a lot of closed land today. Some areas..Beaverhead County I believe are still closed. As for the rivers…everyone I have seen, except the Madison, are painfully low and as far as I know closed to fishing.  Even if they are open I would not fish them. We need more water, but more importantly we need cooler water temps. and that is happening…slowly.  The Madison was fishing just great last week.  Water temps. around 58-59 degrees…flow is near normal.  I heard the Beaverhead was looking good but very crowded…also heard the Henry’s Fork is fishing well.

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I’m heading out to SW Montana and Idaho in hopes of finding things in much better shape than the news has let on.  We’re planning on spending a few days in Yellowstone and then out to Henrys Fork.  I haven’t seen any fishing reports – anyone know how the fishing has been in that area?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks Scott

Montana opened a lot of closed land today. Some areas..Beaverhead County I believe are still closed. As for the rivers…everyone I have seen, except the Madison, are painfully low and as far as I know closed to fishing.  Even if they are open I would not fish them. We need more water, but more importantly we need cooler water temps. and that is happening…slowly.  The Madison was fishing just great last week.  Water temps. around 58-59 degrees…flow is near normal.  I heard the Beaverhead was looking good but very crowded…also heard the Henry’s Fork is fishing well.

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If you are near Rushmore you are near Rapid City.  There is excellent fishing in Rapid Creek and in Spring Creek.  I am not sure how well Spring Creek fishes during the heat of summer. Both hold lots of nice fish.  When I fished Spring Creek in May a couple of years ago I had one afternoon of good olives.  Most of the fish I caught during the two days I fished it were on small nymphs fished with weight.  I caught a lot of fish between 11" and 14" and I did catch two fish that were considerably larger. When I was on Rapid Creek there were no hatches but I did well fishing a hopper pattern with a dropper.  I fished a large madam x. Both streams are not very wide so you will not need much rod. JK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be visiting Mt. Rushmore next week. Can anyone give me some info on fishing opportunites in the area. I’ll be staying in a town call Lead. Info on rod size, fly selection and anything else that will help me catch some fish is appreaciated. Thanks

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I’ll be visiting Mt. Rushmore next week. Can anyone give me some info on fishing opportunites in the area. I’ll be staying in a town call Lead. Info on rod size, fly selection and anything else that will help me catch some fish is appreaciated. Thanks

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Hi all, I’m new to flyfishing and trying to learn as much as possible. This newsgroup is a great source…thanks to all who contribute. I was hoping that some of the group experts could take a look at a web page that I’ve set up with about 9 pictures of what I’m sure are very common dry flies (one nymph is included). A flyfishing guide purchased them for me some time back and now I’m interested in knowing more about them.  Also, if anyone knows of any color reference books or web pages that I can use to identify flies (many books are B&W <sigh…it would be most appreciated…thanks in advance everyone! The web address is http://members.aol.com/kraftshoot/flys.jpg

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Hi all, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to flyfishing and trying to learn as much as possible. This newsgroup is a great source…thanks to all who contribute. I was hoping that some of the group experts could take a look at a web page that I’ve set up with about 9 pictures of what I’m sure are very common dry flies (one nymph is included). A flyfishing guide purchased them for me some time back and now I’m interested in knowing more about them.  Also, if anyone knows of any color reference books or web pages that I can use to identify flies (many books are B&W <sigh…it would be most appreciated…thanks in advance everyone! The web address is http://members.aol.com/kraftshoot/flys.jpg

The photos are a bit dark, and it is extremely difficult to analyse fly patterns just from photos anyway, but here goes. Flies one and two are "Compara duns" these are flies with split tails, a dubbed body, no hackle as such, and elk or deer hair "wings" tied in a specific fashion. Namely spread in a half circle over the upper part of the hook and tilted slightly forward.These are remarkably successful flies, and the tying materials and style are more important as recognition points than any specific patterns or colours. The flies shown are imitations of olives. Fly three is a spinner imitation with what looks like antron wings. Again an olive. I would prefer smoke blue antron as wings on such a fly, but the "transparent" antron works as well. Flies four and five are parachute style dry-flies, with what looks like calf tail post wings, standard cock hackle wound horizontally around the post, and again seem to be olives. Fly six is a more or less standard hackled dry fly with a relatively short hackle, and this is tied over about a third of the body, probably designed for rough water fishing. Once again an olive. Flies seven and eight  are once again Compara duns, and again olives. Fly nine is an emerger pattern, tied with a trailing shuck of hackle fibre The  bead head nymph, which could be used to imitate almost anything, but this again looks like it was tied to represent an olive nymph. Trying to learn the names of all these flies is a waste of time. As long as you know what you use it for, that is really all that matters. Whether it has a name, or is just a reasonable imitation is quite immaterial.  All of the flies shown look like good fish catchers, and could in fact be used in various sizes to imitate a whole host of naturals. But the range shown here are practically all olive imitations. For lists of various patterns etc try : http://www.virtualflyshop.com/ for info on Olives etc try : http://www.fishing-in-wales.co.uk/wildlife/insects/upwing/bwolive.htm You might also like to look at : http://www.virtualflybox.com/ http://freespace.virgin.net/fly.fishing/index.htm   for colour photos of many flies http://www.sea-ex.com/recreational1/fly1.htm In the meantime there are thousands of sites on the web with info on patterns and tying and fly-fishing generally. The best thing to do is use a good search engine, such as http://www.google.com   and start searching for some of them. You will soon find plenty which you can use. The sites above also have links to many others, which you can try. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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You were asking for someone to identify the flies – I don’t know if you were asking for specific names or not.  Mike gave you the *styles*, which I think is a good idea.  I saw a book recently that looks really good – it helps sort out these kinds of flies by style, and helps you organize them in your head.  There are color pictures of all, and it’s not real long or expensive (under $20 US). "Essential Trout Flies" by Dave Hughes.  He identifies the major styles (Comparadun, parachute, traditional Catskill, spent spinner, thorax, etc.) and tells under which conditions each would be best, and how to fish them, and how to tie them.  Check it out http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0811727483/qid=963285608/sr=1-… -4362007-9744861 Good luck Regards, Jeff

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Here is a sight that claims to list the "Deadly Dozen" http://www.islandroots.com/finecast/products.htm I posted the same q a while back and told all I was going to take a poll. Let me have a day to dig up those results. Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation? — Richard Jackson Before you buy.

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I always try to match the hatch. Watch what is in the air over the water or kneel down and grab some rocks to see what is there. Presentation: if you are trying to duplicate what is in the air use dry flies, in the water use wet flies – latter category almost always nymphs. WLM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation? — Richard Jackson Before you buy.

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What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation? — Richard Jackson Before you buy.

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What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation?

I try to "match the hatch" whenever possible.  If I am fishing for dinner, I will open up the first one that I catch and see what it has been feeding on.  I usually start out with a stonefly or a Royal Coachman.  As you probably know, Brookies can be extremely frustrating to catch at times.  If you get one to follow or even take a swipe at your bait/fly/lure and he doesn’t take it, leave him alone and come back later and try again.  If a brookie has found a nice spot in the stream, he may stay within a few yards of that spot for months. — "Our eyes and hands and feet will give us the same assistance in doing mischief as in doing good; but it would not therefore be better for the world, that all mankind were blind and lame.  Arms are not to be laid aside by honest men, because carried by assassins and ruffians; they are to be used the rather for this very reason." -George Campbell (1719-1796)

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        Despite five years of closure in the commercial net fishery in Newfoundland, initial returns to most rivers have been very dissapointing. Fishway counts are running at 33% of last years on average and fishing generally poor on the island.  Water levels are also falling and temperatures rising which does not bode well either.  Explanations abound with candidates ranging from ‘mother nature’ her/himself (cold ocean temperatures, etc.) to more usual ‘whipping creatures’ such as seals, first nation fisheries and/or legitimate commercial fishers pursuing other species.         At the same time, salmon fishing is beginning to become more epxensive.  The Gander River in central Newfoundland has just institute a special $20 fee to fish it alone (with another $20 if you wish to partake of a potential Fall fishery for one month).  Other rivers are rumoured to follow suit.  I might not mind if there were a few fish!!  Recent trip to the Gander River suggested to me that there are fewer fish in the river now than when the commercial fishery were operating.  Any ideas as to what is going on?  ’hostile marine conditions just doesn’t seem to cut it having heard virutally every fishery downturn around here attriubted to it for the last five years.  Larry Felt, St. John’s, Newfoundland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need some help here.  My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and<edit go with me when I’m out.  <edit <<<AL BT wrote Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot. Your local fly shop should be able to help. Go there and try a few rods and get a couple of pointers from a resident expert. It could be time well spent. Good luck & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

Heed Al’s Advice he always has good insightful obsevations and ideas. I have an 8 year old who also loves to fish. He’s been fishing since he was 3 with spincasting gear. This year I showed him how to roll cast and he did well. He even could false cast about 15 feet.  Start off slow, he will pick it up just like riding a bike, plaing baseball and all the other great things boys do.  Most of us learned by roll casting first so maybe he needs to start there.  Sounds like you have a great kid.  There should be more Dads like us. If Ido say so myself! Tight Lines:

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Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot.

I disagree…he’ll only have to work harder to get the same distance… The longer rod will give him a lot of advantages in the ‘long’ run and should not be appreciably more heavy or unwieldy. In fact the longer rod might just keeping him from hooking his eyeball… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I need some help here.  My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and go with me when I’m out.  I myself have just finished a course and am beginning to feel comfortable casting. Not to be unkind but if, as you say, you are only now getting comfortable with casting, perhaps you need to get whoever taught you to work with your son. There is a big difference between doing and teaching, and it is another step yet to be able to diagnose a casting stroke and adjust it to be more effective within the capabilities and limits of any individual.

He’s right, you’ll BOTH learn faster if you go for lessons together.  It really helps a learner to see an instructor working with someone else, and he’ll be able to spot if the error recurs on the water – and bring the lesson back to mind. Next, video each other casting.  It’s amazing how many of your own faults you’ll see and rectify if you watch a video.  You don’t have to let the rest of the family see the result. Then compete with each other – on equal terms (sort of, you put up the prizes, he wins most of ‘em; in family terms this IS equal).  Don’t compete for distance, it wouldn’t be fair and it’s of little use in any case. Compete for accuracy, you are going ‘target casting’  Start with a hula-hoop

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Today UPS showed at my door with my rod and a replacement tip. No Charge! What a surprise! It seems to be a much better tip than the first one as the spline is difficult to feel. Now it is back to the wrapping bench with a smile on my face and a BIG complement to Sage. What great service they have provided to me. I hope others have been just as satisified.

I was really pleased to hear this.  I use a custom built Sage rod and love it, but was thinking of going with Orvis on a new one because of warranty.  I hope the word gets to Sage haw important such service is to their sales.

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I have had a similarly positive experience with Sage. I broke the tip on my 366LL a couple of years ago and even though it was totally my fault, (slammed it with the truck tailgate) they fixed it for free. They have my loyalty. Kevin

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I had a positive (in my opinion) experience too.  I had a Nova (blemished Sage blank) 490LL and broke it while casting real hard.  Sage didn’t send me a free rod tip, but replced it at nominal expense (I forget the exact price, but it was like $25).  Given that it was a Nova and not a Sage, I was pleased.

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I have also had great service from SAGE, but at a price!  I broke the tip on a one year old 389LL and sent it to SAGE.  Much to my surprise, I received a replacement in 4 days.   Also to my surprise, I received a bill for $70 two weeks later.   Needless to say, my enthusiasm dropped.   With their "new" warranty policy, I guess I had bad timing.  

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Iguess I must be from the wrong side of the tracks. I broke the tip on a brand new Sage 4 piece, waited almost 6 weeks for a replacement ( most of the rest of my salmon season) and paid $34 US which  hurts after conversion to my currency. I can’t get too excited about this level of service.– Jack Botsford – Executive Director                      Tel (709) 722-3069 Newfoundland Alliance of Technical Industries           Fax (709) 722-3879 Box 41, Atlantic Place, 215 Water Street St. John’s, NF, CANADA  A1C 6C9

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Last June I purchased a Sage 4711 LLB blank from Patrick’s Fly Shop up in  Seattle, WA. I wrapped and finished it and a 497 RPL (I think). Took a month and a half to teach my wife (who says you can’t teach your honey) how to cast and went off to Northern Canada flyfishing. Came home and while over at the casting ponds, I asked if I could work with it. Well much to my surprise after a few casts it fractured just up from the joint. I’d been told that this might happen to two piece rods. None of this I blame on Sage’s part. I used 4wt line, but may have been casting too far. I called Patrick’s and asked about a replacement and was told to send it to Sage, which I did along with my story. And waited for a letter to advise me how much to send for the replacement. Today UPS showed at my door with my rod and a replacement tip. No Charge! What a surprise! It seems to be a much better tip than the first one as the spline is difficult to feel. Now it is back to the wrapping bench with a smile on my face and a BIG complement to Sage. What great service they have provided to me. I hope others have been just as satisified. —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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Please keep the politically correct crap in alt.idiocy anc not in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.  Thanks

We couldn’t agree more! Sincerely, Noranda Mining Company Canada "Coming Soon to a Wilderness Area Near You!"

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Please keep the politically correct crap in alt.idiocy anc not in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.  Thanks

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Pc idiocy? what pc idiocy? edwin

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