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I picked up 3 sets of different color at the Maryland Fair this last weekend (tough getting my shopping done while proposing to Cathy Beck).  Tom, try dubbing the body with your favorite bug color.  I have sulphurs, grey foxes, BWOs, tan caddis, black caddis, green caddis all just by messing with the wing color and body dubbing.  Lets see, 3 bucks for 2 feet makes about 150 flies vs the cost of grade A hackle for the same amount of flies. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I’m planning on buying a big bag-o-feet at Somerset next weekend. –Stan

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Stan writes: The ‘good’ tiers ended up with very tight smooth bodies on their flies, mine are sparse and ratty,

and yours would resemble the original, as I have seen it. If the thread doesn’t show through the translucent, somewhat coarse snowshoe fur, the effect is different. Not wrong, per se, but different. The body should be on the thick side, but this is a "ratty" looking fly. I love snowshoe hare feet.

For duns, and caddis, you cannot beat the stuff for a low floating durable tie. With a few handling tricks, small duns and midges and such are easily done as well.                             Tom L

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Frank writes: , try dubbing the body with your favorite bug color

you’re right, Frank. Just ask Willi, I’ve been doing this for years. The Usual was selected for the swap to bring the swappers, and myself, back to where the ideas originated. I had a snowshoe BWO in a swap two or three years back, and a caddis in a Compuserve swap waaaay back(my first encounter with Harry Mason). tough getting my shopping done while proposing to Cathy Beck

Interesting tie-in, she and her hubby nearly exhausted the supply of Fred Reese’s dun dyed snowshoe feet a few years back. Luckily, I had beaten them by a few days and got my half dozen feet in time. Fred was blown away by the sudden popularity of the stuff( this was 1993 or so,as I remember). Just did a rough count of current supplies before the annual order, still have 22 feet in various natural, dyed dun,green, olive, rust and assorted tans and ambers.                               Tom L

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I’ve never used a dyed (vs dead) hare’s foot.  How are they and where can I get them and why do you need seven and a third yards (22 feet) of fur? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just did a rough count of current supplies before the annual order, still have 22 feet in various natural, dyed dun,green, olive, rust and assorted tans and ambers.                               Tom L

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Frank writes: , try dubbing the body with your favorite bug color you’re right, Frank. Just ask Willi, I’ve been doing this for years. The Usual was selected for the swap to bring the swappers, and myself, back to where the ideas originated. I had a snowshoe BWO in a swap two or three years back, and a caddis in a Compuserve swap waaaay back(my first encounter with Harry Mason).

The use of Snowshoe Hare is much more of an Eastern thing. It’s uncommon to find any flies that use it in a shop in the Rockies. It’s a versatile material. I also did a Snowshoe pattern for the swap, a quill bodied emerger pattern. Willi

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. God! I love this fly!!                              Tom L

and they are great fish-catchers too! Eugene K.

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 still have 22 feet in various natural, dyed dun,green, olive, rust and assorted tans and ambers.                              Tom L

do you guys think the wing colour as important as the body colour?…I often use different bodies with the same wing, and really I only use light feet and dark feet.   Eugene K.

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(snips) The ‘good’ tiers ended up with very tight smooth bodies on their flies, mine are sparse and ratty, the other two guys couldn’t get the fur to dub at all and used beaver dubbing. For demonstration purposes, I put one of mine in a glass of water, dunking it to make sure it was through the surface tension, and it was still floating like a cork 4 hours later.  I love snowshoe hare feet.  I’m planning on buying a big bag-o-feet at Somerset next weekend.

Not that I’m planning on tying, but what other materials will float easily and well?  I’d think that poodle hair, as they were once cold water retrievers, would be pretty good. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Frank,   Dyed dun is pretty easy to find from many of the larger material houses. The other colors are less frequent. I buy them from Fred Reese’s Trout Shop, in PA., who has specialized in them for a while. You ask: why do you need seven and a third yards (22 feet) of fur?

for the same reason I have a cedar chest full of rooster pelts…just like having them around. Seriously, though, most of the feet on hand have been chopped through a bit, maybe 5 or 6 are completely intact.                              Tom L

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tough getting my shopping done while proposing to Cathy Beck Interesting tie-in, she and her hubby nearly exhausted the supply of Fred Reese’s dun dyed snowshoe feet a few years back. Luckily, I had beaten them by a few days and got my half dozen feet in time.

Ok, so I finally get the opportunity to swing by Fred Reese’s place to pick up some spade hackle…. the stuff you were waving in front of me at the clave last year. A large bag for just $5.00 you say.  Well, we picked through his stock and could only find two pieces suitable for tailing sulphurs.  You exhausted his supply of spade hackle.  :-( Dave

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Dave,   The source I cited for spade hackle is Collins Hackle Farm in NY. Charlie Collins is listed at the back advertising section of most major fly tying/fishing mags. Also, he can be spotted in person at the upcoming Somerset show. I wasn’t even aware of Reese’s selling the stuff…but, it is always fun to poke around their supply, isn’t it?                               Tom L

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Someday I’d like to learn to tie perfect dry flies like your’s Tom. Awesome. bruce h

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you guys embarrass me….thanks for all the kind words. Can’t wait to hear the response to these Usuals I am tying for the swap! This is one of those flys, at least for me, that is tyed wrong if it looks organized at all. I am gazing at a butter tub that looks like a small rodent exploded in a pile of hooks(contains 50 flies). God! I love this fly!!                               Tom L

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Someday I’d like to learn to tie perfect dry flies like your’s Tom. Awesome.

Well, those little midge thingies are perfect too Bruce.  As far as we can tell!  heh heh

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Tom: We tied Usuals at my tying club this week – two really excellent tiers, me (intermediate at best) and another two guys who range from beginner to intermediate depending on material.  It’s interesting to see how 5 people in the same room tying the same pattern will come up with vastly different flies.  A lot of depends on skill, some on expectation of what a fly should look like.   The ‘good’ tiers ended up with very tight smooth bodies on their flies, mine are sparse and ratty, the other two guys couldn’t get the fur to dub at all and used beaver dubbing. For demonstration purposes, I put one of mine in a glass of water, dunking it to make sure it was through the surface tension, and it was still floating like a cork 4 hours later.  I love snowshoe hare feet.  I’m planning on buying a big bag-o-feet at Somerset next weekend. I’m really looking forward to seeing the other three examples in this swap. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you guys embarrass me….thanks for all the kind words. Can’t wait to hear the response to these Usuals I am tying for the swap! This is one of those flys, at least for me, that is tyed wrong if it looks organized at all. I am gazing at a butter tub that looks like a small rodent exploded in a pile of hooks(contains 50 flies). God! I love this fly!!                               Tom L

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Tom: I can send you the html and images in a zip any time you want it.  Feel free to give out the url in the meantime to clavesters. See you at Penns!  Jim Lafley is coming again too (even though he said something last night about 4 days…).  If anybody else from Mass. wants to carpool get in touch by email. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan,   Bless you! AOL’s server is constantly screwed up, making getting to my site unreliable(watta surprise,eh?). If you can hang onto the layout for me, I would appreciate it, as it is a more efficient size, it seems, should I want to add stuff to my site.                               Tom L

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Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.    Frank Reid

Here’s the URL for Flyfisher’s Paradise, a shop between Bellefonte and State College:    http://www.flyfishersparadise.com/ They provide hatch info ever week during the season.  Click on "Streams" at the bottom of the site; then click on the stream you want to know about. Click on "Articles" for patterns and tying instructions. vince norris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start. Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly (2) "Cripple" spidery-looking something (3) Elk Hair Caddis (4) March Brown (1) pheasant tail nymph (2) stonefly nymph (3) Colornel Sander’s Corn Kernal –Steve

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Be careful,  if the climate is different, so will be the flies….sometimes very significantly.  Not so much with the nymphs of course, but the surface hatches. I’ve found that the Penn’s trout tend to be taking the newer arrivals.  So try to ask around, and find out what has been coming off, listening for what has just started,  when I see the 7 or 8 different species on the water, in varying sizes,  I’ll try that first.  The bug that is new the Clave week in May is usually the sulphur (in one size or another), but could also be March Brown Spinners,  Sulphur Spinners, Tan Caddis, Chocolate Caddis, Green Caddis, Grey Fox (duns or spinners), and some years the Light Cahill and Green Drake (but this is remote). If all else fails, remember the electric shocking equipment, The Finn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start. Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly Same here – should have multiple styles! (including emerger)  So when Tom and DavePA etc. chime in with their favorite pattern, don’t pick one, pick ‘em all (1) pheasant tail nymph Works as a sulphur nymph

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Okie dokey folks.  I have a couple of folks here that will be attending Penns that have never been there before.  They are interested in tying flies for the clave fishing.  I couldn’t find the link to the message from last year indicating which flies are best.  I did find the link to the feathered hook, but, as usual, not enough info. Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.     Frank Reid

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Tom Littleton posted some on his web site last year (which I filched for my reference – hope you don’t mind Tom…). You can find copies of Tom’s photos at http://members.bellatlantic.net/~sgula/penns/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okie dokey folks.  I have a couple of folks here that will be attending Penns that have never been there before.  They are interested in tying flies for the clave fishing.  I couldn’t find the link to the message from last year indicating which flies are best.  I did find the link to the feathered hook, but, as usual, not enough info. Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.     Frank Reid

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Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.

Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly (2) "Cripple" spidery-looking something (3) Elk Hair Caddis (4) March Brown (1) pheasant tail nymph (2) stonefly nymph Since the magical hatch portion the day–the time when the fish are supposedly keyed into an exact pattern, size, and hook stye–lasts a grand total of about half an hour, the rest of the time you’re just searching. And another tidbit from someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about but has an opinion nonetheless… During the daytime, you’ll have the most success if you can switch easily from nymphs to dries and back. I saw very few risers during the daytime, but when I *did* see them (mostly taking stuff from the foam line in eddies it seemed) they were very fun to target and catch. –Steve

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Tom Littleton posted some on his web site last year (which I filched for my reference – hope you don’t mind Tom…). You can find copies of Tom’s photos at http://members.bellatlantic.net/~sgula/penns/

I remember now seeing this page last year and thinking "God, what beautifully tied flies."  Advancing decrepitude or some damn thing prevented me from bookmarking it then.  Thanks for the link.  They’re still beautiful. JR

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Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start. Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly

Same here – should have multiple styles! (including emerger)  So when Tom and DavePA etc. chime in with their favorite pattern, don’t pick one, pick ‘em all (1) pheasant tail nymph

Works as a sulphur nymph

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Stan,   Bless you! AOL’s server is constantly screwed up, making getting to my site unreliable(watta surprise,eh?). If you can hang onto the layout for me, I would appreciate it, as it is a more efficient size, it seems, should I want to add stuff to my site.                               Tom L

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That’s right you stupid, inbred,

Get a life. — Andrea

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Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in. Have you met George? Of course you have being God and all that…

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I’m afraid Adam is wrong!  Ken Fortenberry is my GOD! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life. — Andrea

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Yowie — RPCA e-list: catslaves-subscribe (at) yahoogroups (dot) com RPCA FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy)

Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland. — Marina

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.  :-)

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

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\Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in.\ hahahahahhahahahaha. Thanks for the much needed laugh. -Muskie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.

Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

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Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

Dear Dusty: Maybe you could ask your mom to get you some calamari rings – if you cook them long enough they are just like rubber bands, but easier to digest.  :-)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else? Karen

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Stoned troll soup! I’ll put in some soup bones to give it flavor and some zucchini to mellow the nastiness of the troll. And after all the veggies have been added, I like to throw in a handful of brown rice and finish off with a few noodles. Sprinkle with fresh parsley and Parmesan and serve with garlic toast. Yummm. CATherine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu.

Jellyfish is a good substitute for rubber bands.  Or at least that’s what I thought when I had it in a restaurant once.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy. That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else?

If I had to guess, I’d say the dressing was made with sweetened rice vinegar and oil, with just a touch of a citrus juice, lemon or lime.  Hard to say for sure though.  It definitely had a vinegary taste but was also sweet.

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So,how’s the fishing been in heaven then? — Gary My God can beat up your God.

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Trouble is, the stone doesn’t shed bits of flesh, the troll does!  (And we certainly don’t want to EAT anything it’s been cooking in, do we?)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.

 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh! Yowie

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 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

Did you ever notice that the old type of fax machine paper smelled like mushrooms?   Blick. TJ  (who was just thinking "did I write that out loud?"  or was it just in my head,  I feel like Homer Simpson)

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I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.  I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

As a kid, I used to hate mushrooms, and as luck would have it, I have a Mum who is mad about them. Each Autumn, she goes a-gathering heaps of them in the forest. I would dread our meals in Autumn, because I knew Mum would hide mushrooms in *everything*! In meatloafs, meatballs, sauces, salads, everywhere. Then she would watch me to see if I noticed. Well, of course I did, obnoxious teenager as I was. I had to grow out of being an obnoxious teenager before I could really *taste* mushrooms, and realise that I actually like them. — Marina

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Did this guy kill Brent K. Kohler or something? (I can’t believe I even remember that name) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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Hey, I’m starting my first thread! What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk to each other? I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course I should be  ) What do you think? Beckie

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On 14 Jan 2001 13:13:20 GMT, becki…@my-deja.com wrote: >Hey, I’m starting my first thread! >What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk >to each other?

Depends on the nature of the job and whether there’s a supervisor hanging around.  It could range from every five minutes to once every couple of hours.  Sometimes when I’m working I need complete concentration and a conversation is the last thing I want. >I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve >hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been >totally silent.

Good.  The more you try to talk the easier it becomes as you develop your skills. Learning to converse is just like taking up a new hobby – fly fishing, tennis, judo etc.  You start off by learning the basics and eventually, hopefully, move onto the more advanced stuff.  Don’t approach it like learning to play the guitar, by trying it for a couple of weeks, deciding you’re useless and then giving up forever. A few months ago we had a new employee in our department who’s shy and it took her a couple of months to become comfortable enough to engage in conversation with others. >  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all >the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course >I should be  )

By all means, make an effort to talk more.  Work is a good place to start conversations because you can talk about work related topics and gradually shift the conversation onto more personal topics.  Conversations are obviously  much easier if you’re actually interested in talking about the subject.  I mean, if somebody starts going on about anime, my eyes glaze over instantly. Mike

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becki…@my-deja.com wrote in message <93s8lg$ff…@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>… >Hey, I’m starting my first thread! >What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk >to each other? >I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve >hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been >totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all >the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course >I should be  ) >What do you think?

A week and a half is not really a lot of time to get to know someone so you won’t know what he likes to talk about. I guess you could concentrate on asking questions (apart from work) like what he likes doing, his family, etc. Maybe think about what you want to talk about yourself and ask him first because chances are he might reply with "how about you?". Silence at work can reach extremes. (Sorry, this is a bit morbid but it made me laugh.) http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1113000/1113955.stm

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hi, I have a nice degree and I am 23. I started my first job and got fired after 2 days. I didn’t talk. YThey thought I was stupid. But I was the most clever man around. It is hard, but after some weeks you will talk more. Because you only need confidence. Javier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -becki…@my-deja.com wrote: > Hey, I’m starting my first thread! > What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk > to each other? > I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve > hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been > totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all > the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course > I should be  ) > What do you think? > Beckie

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J.Dominguez <J.Doming…@chello.nl> wrote: > I have a nice degree and I am 23. I started my first job and got fired after 2 > days. I didn’t talk. YThey thought I was stupid. But I was the most clever man > around. It is hard, but after some weeks you will talk more. Because you only > need confidence.

… and something to talk about That’s my problem.  I just realised the other day I’m not really shy if I have something to say.  When I did philosophy I was one of the most talkative people in my tutorial group but outside the class I couldn’t think of anything to say. Thanks to everyone who replied for your advice Beckie

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>Hey, I’m starting my first thread! >What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk >to each other? >I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve >hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been >totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all >the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course >I should be  ) >What do you think? >Beckie

At work (and in my life in general) I will talk if spoken to first, but I have trouble starting a conversation with someone. If it’s work related, it’s a little easier, but when it comes to small talk, I’m clueless. -Rich

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Richard Kim <rkk…@aol.comatose> wrote: > At work (and in my life in general) I will talk > if spoken to first, but I have trouble starting a conversation with someone. If > it’s work related, it’s a little easier, but when it comes to small talk, I’m > clueless.

That’s me too, that’s why I was asking what I _should_ be doing Beckie

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Hey Becks, Nobody talks all the time. Nobody. (Okay, I do know a few people that talk ALL THE TIME, but I consider them to be psychotic.) I find that when you work an hour or two with somebody, you can keep up a low-intensity, chatty conversation for that long. When it gets to be all day, you skip in and out of little chats. Sometimes you jump into a full conversation for a while. Things eventually fall off, and then you go back to work. On the other hand, if you don’t like chatting with them, you don’t talk much.     Douglas <becki…@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:93s8lg$ffq$4@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, I’m starting my first thread! > What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk > to each other? > I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve > hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been > totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all > the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course > I should be  ) > What do you think? > Beckie

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.

I enthusiastically agree.  Even though most of the material in this book is recycled from "An Outside Chance, 2nd Ed." which was recycled from the first edition, which was a compilation of essays published in "Sports Illustrated" (in their glory days in the 70’s) and elsewhere, this book is a must-read.  McGuane has a gift for writing like nobody else I know. I wish I had been born 15 years earlier, and had been in Key West in the early 70’s, when it was haunted by McGuane, Russell Chatham, Jim Harrison, and Jimmy Buffett.  Don’t even want to go there now, I fear it would be a horrible disappointment. Kevin

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read.

This is the finest fishing-related book I’ve read in many years. Maybe ever. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read. Joe F. Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post, and I’m really liking this book.

joe, that book is one of my favorites… it’s been awhile, mebbe i’m due for a re-read. walt

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Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post

    do us all a favor.  send a copy to forty. wayno

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read.

It just keeps getting better as your read through it. There’s a piece on permit fishing toward the end that is possibly the best thing that I have read on fly fishing. Peter G. Aitken

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read. Joe F. Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post, and I’m really liking this book.

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Folks, I may be in the northeast the week of March 15, and was wondering if there are any sections of rivers, streams etc, in upstate NY, VT or NH that are open. If so, what can one expect this time of the year re streamflow, hatches, best patterns to use? Thanks for any info you can provide! Alex

Alex, There are many rivers that are legally open in Vermont.  The question is whether they are open due to ice.  Two good bets, weather dependent, are the Winooski River and Lewis Creek.  Hatches are scant.  Wooly buggers are your best bet, as well as other streamers.  Brown stoneflies can be around if the spring is early. Stream flows are a coin toss from downright perrfect to flood to a July trickle depending on rain and snowfall.  Good luck and I would be happy to answer any other questions you might have. Vermont Outdoors Magazine 2 Church Street Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 860-0003 Fax: (802) 860-0005 http://www.vermontoutdoors.com

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Folks, I may be in the northeast the week of March 15, and was wondering if there are any sections of rivers, streams etc, in upstate NY, VT or NH that are open. If so, what can one expect this time of the year re streamflow, hatches, best patterns to use? Thanks for any info you can provide! Alex

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You don’t need a video to tell you that if the lines breaking you need a higher wt line.  When guides say to you "there’s no way you need more than a 4lb tippet on that river" what they really mean is that IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF you had the shuttle, boat and knowledge of where the holes were, that even though the current was raging back at the public fishing area you could fish 2-4lb leader in the deep wide holes they fish.  They don’t know that you need a 10lb leader back where the currents raging and the fish can get out sideways in it.  So when they tell you there’s no way you need anything bigger than a 5.1lb tippet (or whatever they claim is the max wt used by "real fishermen")

Unless one has no ability at all to play a fish properly, he will certainly land more fish on a heavier tippet.   At the same time, it is certainly possible to successfully land a big fish on a very light tippet.   On the Salmon River, though, (and anywhere for that matter) you need to balance more than just landing a fish against tippet strength.   If you play a fish for 45 minutes on a 4 lb tippet, everyone around you has to keep their lines out of the water and thumbs up their asses while you have a good time all by yourself.   And when you have it on the beach, it will be dead beat and no candidate for c&r if you are so inclined.   On the other hand, boy was that fun. If you tie on a big heavy tippet, you’ll be able to put a lot more pressure on the fish and get it to the beach more quickly.   Go too far in this direction, however, and you may as well be one of the brainless meat fishermen spin casting with 30 lb mono to haul ‘em in. For me, a guy of below average ability, I’ve found 8 or 10 lb to be quite sufficient on the Salmon R. to give me a good balance of sport, success, and courtesy.   I will add that if you are breaking off a lot, be sure it’s not your knots.

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You don’t need a video to tell you that if the lines breaking you need a higher wt line.  When guides say to you "there’s no way you need more than a 4lb tippet on that river" what they really mean is that IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF you had the shuttle, boat and knowledge of where the holes were, that even though the current was raging back at the public fishing area you could fish 2-4lb leader in the deep wide holes they fish.  They don’t know that you need a 10lb leader back where the currents raging and the fish can get out sideways in it.  So when they tell you there’s no way you need anything bigger than a 5.1lb tippet (or whatever they claim is the max wt used by "real fishermen") Tie your own tappered leaders.  I was reading in a book on al fly fishing just the other nite that the author reccomends making your tappered leader from 40, 30, 20 and 18in of material of 25, 20, 15, and 10lb line respectively.  Good luck, I hope this has been some help. Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

– Cordially, Mike McNally Speculators may do no harm as bubbles on a steady stream of enterprise. But the position is serious when enterprise becomes the bubble on a whirlpool of speculation.               –John Maynard Keynes

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You don’t need a video to tell you that if the lines breaking you need a higher wt line.  When guides say to you "there’s no way you need more than a 4lb tippet on that river" what they really mean

<snip Amen. I have used a short (7 ft) 10 or 12 lb tippet on my sink tip, and a 12 ft 8 lb tippet for salmon and steelhead for years. Yep, I lose some still, but I have caught (and released) more than 150 salmon this fall alone.

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I just got Flies for Steelhead by Farrow Allen and Dick Stewart from Lyons Press (~$20 softcover). The photography is quite good and it has a thorough collection of patterns from different regions of the country. The flies in the photos are tied either by the inventor of the pattern or by a well known tyer from the region of origin.  Great Lakes Steelhead – A Guided Tour for Fly Anglers from Back Country Press ($20) is a great book by Bob Linsenmann and Steve Nevala (fun reading).  There is a brief but very practical sections on techniques, equipment, etc in the beginning. The rest of the book is a collection of essays collected from these guys going fishing with a number of guides in their home waters.  Fly Fishing for Salmon and Steelhead of the Great Lakes by Ken Filkins ($17 Wilderness Books – hard to find but available on www.amazon.com).  This book mostly emphasizes chuck and duck type fishing but has a really good section on fish attitudes towards different types of flies & presentations thus explaining (or at least stating) why many west coast techniques are only effective during a short period of the steelhead’s migration into midwestern tributaries.  I’ve been using a Scientific Anglers System 2m 8/9.  It’s a reasonably inexpensive and very reliable disc drag reel.  The regular System 2 is quite heavy but I don’t know if the 2m is still in production.  As far as a rod is concerned I bought myself the cheapest one I could find, a St. Croix 9ft 9 weight Pro-Graphite.  With all the brush I run through, the slippery rocks, ice, hands made numb and clumsy by the bitter chill, I wouldn’t want to risk damaging an expensive stick.  Just letting you know what has worked well for me.  I don’t have the experience nor the moeny to really tell you what other options are available to you. Good Fishing.    Mu Young Lee         Ann Arbor, MI  o             oooo                          o   o   o o   o o o  o – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

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Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

It seems to be normal to break off 3 fish in this sort of fishing: but not normal to break off 100 per cent of hookups. The range of tackle is from medium (say 6 weight rod with 2x or 6 lb. tippets) to strong (8 or 9 weight, tippets 0X or 12 lb.) This river is sufficiently free of obstructions that you can fish the lighter tackle — provided you have a first-class reel, because its drag is important.  (Heavier tackle is useful in smaller Michigan or Ontario steelhead rivers.) Winter freshwater salmon and steelhead seem not to be leader shy.  They may or may not avoid sideways drag: but the essential point is to be able to present the fly as deep as the fish’s holding depth, whatever that is.  I have known people to make special sinking leaders (coated with powdered led embedded in glue) for this purpose. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                       John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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If you smoke during sex you’re definitely doing it too fast! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                      John Popp                                                  in Sanford Fl.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers.

Plus, after having the fish shred every single fly you’ve got in your box you can take the butt end of that stogie, jam a hook through it, and catch One More For The Road. Not to mention their use as a mosquito, fly, and fisherman repellant. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious. Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me. I have been known to get up and move (or leave) a restaurant due to somebody lighting up at the next table. (this was before the anti-smoking laws went into effect) The experience astream is so much more enjoyable without clouds of toxin interfering with the clean air. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me.

Interesting. I had smoked for 30yrs (most of them 2+ packs/day) when I quit 5yrs ago. I find that my sense of smell has vastly improved but 2nd hand smoke doesn’t bother me any more now than it did, in fact I will move into the smoking section of a resteraunt just to get away from screaming kids. I never did much like smelling cigars even then, though<g. — Charlie…

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Only when you can get one to light… "FW" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Only when you can get one to light…

More than a little truth in this! Wet fingers and dry cigarettes are not a good combination.  I used to have trouble lighting my pipe having just filled it when my hands were wet. I’ve *had* to give up my beloved pipe on what turned out to be unfounded medical advice. — Bill

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Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene

______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone.     No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends.   It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1)   As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

 Robert Scott replies: < .<<..and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? I can understand a trout taking a cigarette butt (with a filter).  There is a nymph called the "Strawman" that is heavily packed spun deer hair. You Gink it up (George’s stuff can be used as a verb too) and it is supposed to represent a caddis case.  It looks just like a cigarette filter.   Tough fly to fish, however, for nothing will go near it if there is even the slightest bit of drag (micro-drag?).  But if you can get it totally drag free, they smash it.  It is an excellent fly to dapple with. I smoked for 40 years.  I was up to 4 packs/day (3 cartons a week).  My doc figured out I was smoking a cigarette every 11 minutes (if I slept 8 hours/day).  I’ve been off the damn things for 6 years now and every-thing smells great. Dave LaCourse

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Mr. G You are a very sick man, I hope the doctors are kind to you when they take you away. PS, don’t even think of "slapping people silly" unless you are Evander Holyfield, you might get hurt. Are you really a control freak or is this just a troll? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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______ I admit that I am trolling a bit with the below post, but my heart screams when I see a friend of mine smoking. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar)

Tell us was it a Passing Cloud, I hope not, otherwise you know that means – someones been over here trying to take OUR fish — Bill

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory.

Let us take a broader view!  Consider this – whenever I smell a cigar I think of Christmas.  Who the Hell wants to think of Christmas during the fishing season? — Bill

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If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of?

Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Vinnies smokes from dawn to dusk – I just wish it was tobacco….. :0) JE

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Cigars not cigarettes. I’ve often been sickened on a lake when a buddy lights one up 50 yards away. They say it drives off insects. I’ve never actually seen a smoker catch a fish however. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

…and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? But to the point of the thread…   I am a reformed smoker; I quit five years ago.   BUT, when I’m on my annual spring striper pilgrimage to Cape Cod, I smoke.   Two weeks later, when I get home, no more smoking.  (Same thing during a duck hunting vacation, too.)   And I remember when I quit, the times I wanted a smoke the most was when I was standing knee-deep in the Battenkill.  Most people who quit say they want one the worst after a meal, or when having a beer.  Not me.  I wanted one when I was fishing… and I don’t even remember ever smoking while I was fishing during my smoking years.  Funny. Bob Scott

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Scott  No they don’t. But a cigar or a pipe helps to keep  the bugs off you while on the water. Or  so I have been told. As I smoke a pipe I find it dose  work  for me most of  the time.   I don’t know what I will do next week on vacation, the smokeing lamp is out in  the northern part of Michigan.  Tight lines

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. —

A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste? Tight lungs, — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘nuttll’ to reply by e-mail)

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

     Caught us, Yes it was a secret, like getting a waitress to bring your meal after ordering, like spoting an 8 point white tail, or in the fishermans case the drag squealing with the strongest hit you’ve ever known in an otherwise fishless day. It always happens (in the last two cases) when the rod/rifle is cradled in the crook of the arm while you light up before heading home. IT’S THE RULE!                                                         John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Makunke writes:   I have not heard any good reports about the types of wading staff that either fold or telescope.  Does anyone have any good experiences with these types of wading staff? Kirk,’Fraid not.  The problem is folding or telescoping back up after you’re done using the thing Kirk, another problem with Folstaff is storage. Should you keep it in your car year-round, unassembled, the bungee has a tendency to take a set, preventing future secure setup. A Folstaff, which relies upon friction, really locks up.

I have been happy with my Folstaff for the 10 years I’ve used it. I do not lubricate the joints as my expereince is they can vibrate loose in heavy currents. I tap them lightly with a rock when I need to fold it down. Perhaps inconvenient for some but it works fine for me. Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

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I made a simple one for my wife.  It was wood, about a meter and a half long with a rubber foot from a cane on the top end. She likes to lean on the end. The other end was fitted with a 1/2 inch copper coupling and cross pinned through the wood and copper with a brass rod to hold the coupling out by a couple of centimeters.  The copper tube cut through moss and algae for a better purchase on slippery rocks.  A loop of nylon with a stainless clip finished it off.

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  I have not heard any good reports about the types of wading staff that either fold or telescope.  Does anyone have any good experiences with these types of wading staff? I have been happy with my Folstaff for the 10 years I’ve used it. I do not lubricate the joints as my expereince is they can vibrate loose in heavy currents. I tap them lightly with a rock when I need to fold it down. Perhaps inconvenient for some but it works fine for me. Ralph H

The folstaff flexes a little and didn’t feel as secure as an adjustable length carbide tipped cross-country ski pole. The basket is removeable. I set the height to just at the top of my waders so if my hand gets wet I know not to take that step. It reduces down short enough to fit in my fat multi-rod travel tube. Mark Vinsel —   new web address:  http://www.vinsel.com

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I’ve taken to using a Folstaff and find it adequate if unaesthetic, although it’s certainly portable. Just keep the joints greased with a candle butt or you’ll never separate them. —

  Greetings:  I’m on my second Folstaff now. I like the larger version; the small one is a little too wosy to inspire my confidence in this contraption.  When the joints get wet and hard to separate, I find that tapping….er,…OK, _whacking_ the thing on a dead tree trunk, (or fellow fly fisher who is catching more fish than you),  will loosen up the joints if you kind of twist them off. (On the Folstaff, I mean…)  :-)   Cheers, and tight lines,   -Mark

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I find it a nuisance to carry a full length staff while hiking along a river/stream.  I have not heard any good reports about the types of wading staff that either fold or telescope.  Does anyone have any good experiences with these types of wading staff? Thanks, Kirk

Kirk, I bought the Orvis one since I  didn

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon. THANKS-SO-MUCH!!!!!! Ron

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon.

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon. THANKS-SO-MUCH!!!!!!

For this region you should read Brian Chan’s  Stillwater flyfishing strategies from Frank Amato pubs.  He describes the bugs and life and flies and retrieves for each. Here’s my contribution: A large part of the trout diet in the rich alkaline lakes of the eastern slopes is made up of scuds (gammarus) and midges (chironomids).  I tie small nymphs entirely of maribou – I think the maribou moves well in the water on very slow retrieves. I can fish them on a sink line near the bottom to imitate the scuds with a few quick strips then stop for a few seconds.  Or I can imitate the chironomids nymphs by using a floating line and long leader, letting the fly sink well down then using a very slow twitch retrieve so the fly is moving up towards the surface. Vinnie Fluffy: Tail – 5-10 maribou ends. Body – same 5-10 maribou fibers, twisted together then wrapped up the shank as you would wool or dubbing. The fibers should make a soft fuzzy tapered body. Hackle/collar – optional – collar of peacock herl or maribou tips tied in. Try olive, brown, orange, grey or black. Prince Nymphs, Pheasant tails, and hare’s ears in sizes 12-18 all work well for me in these waters. Leechs are also very effective in east side lakes, best fished SLOWLY on intermediate lines.  This is a whole ‘nother science that I don’t have time to expound on now.  If you have the money you would learn priceless knowledge and guarantee future success by hiring guides Jay Fair of Susanville CA or Denny Richards of Klamath Falls OR for their advanced stillwater flies and techniques. BTW, try to resist the temptation to use less than 5 lb.tippet; you’ll regret it.  Point the rod straight down the line so you can really feel it directly and keep your drag loose. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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RE: Attractor patterns. We here in the east fish such great waters as the east branch of the croton river ( New York Suburbs) and the west branch of the delaware ( pennsylvania). These waters are so heavily fished that the trout usually will ignore everything you can throw at them that matches the hatch. When we see this happening, we usually tie on something like a parmachene belle, which is a gaudy silver, blue and red. Ive seen alot of wary rainbows fall for it when nothing else produces. Neil Ferri – New York — Neil Ferri New York

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello from Iowa-        Has anyone had experience, successful I may add, with attractor patterns such as Humpies, Trudes, any of the Wulffs, Woolly Buggers, Hare’s Ears, and the like, on trout found in such heavily hit waters as the Madison and especially the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake.  I’ve had limited success with ants and Royal Wulff’s (impressionistic of beetles I presume) on the Last Chance run on the Henrys’ and regular success with Montana Stones and the ubiquitous Elk Hair Caddis on the Madison.  Does this mirror others’ experiences on these waters or other waters of similar nature?  Are these trout truly as demanding as the mag writers make them out to be (spring creek trout notwithstanding)?        Second, it seems that while attractor patterns, especially dries and the Woolly Bugger, were in vogue several years ago (probably before my start), they have lost favor again to the small and prescise school of flies. Is this true and are my wishes to fish them going against some yuppy’s notion of true dry fly fishing?  I do love the take on an attractor pattern.                                                Tight Lines,                                                Ryan Maas P.S. Anyone passing through the Des Moines, Ames area in late spring…and willing to stoop to tackling bass? — Ryan Maas

I would agree that the Madison requires hatch matching more than any stream I know.  However, I have had luck on both the South Fork of the Snake and the Yellowstone River using a Royal Wulff during prehatch, and on days when nothing else seemed to work.  I love the Royal Wulff, and find that it is just what Lee Wulff said it was, a trout’s strawberry shortcake.  As far as other attactors, the South Fork had a spell (three or four years ago) when Double Renegades and variations on the Double R worked wonders during June. Several years ago, a video on the South Fork showed anglers slaying cuts on trudes.  I have never tried one there.  Hare’s ears work well on all of these waters, especially during the spring, and mostly for white fish.  But heh, when the trout wont hit, tight lines are tight lines. Finally, I know that creeks and smaller streams are not what you’re talking about, but attactors work incredibly well on the smaller streams, and if anyone sticks up his or her nose at your throwing a Royal Wulff on a famous river, just smile to yourself when that big brown slams it like there’s no tomorrow. GOOD LUCK!!

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Hello from Iowa-         Has anyone had experience, successful I may add, with attractor patterns such as Humpies, Trudes, any of the Wulffs, Woolly Buggers, Hare’s Ears, and the like, on trout found in such heavily hit waters as the Madison and especially the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake.  I’ve had limited success with ants and Royal Wulff’s (impressionistic of beetles I presume) on the Last Chance run on the Henrys’ and regular success with Montana Stones and the ubiquitous Elk Hair Caddis on the Madison.  Does this mirror others’ experiences on these waters or other waters of similar nature?  Are these trout truly as demanding as the mag writers make them out to be (spring creek trout notwithstanding)?         Second, it seems that while attractor patterns, especially dries and the Woolly Bugger, were in vogue several years ago (probably before my start), they have lost favor again to the small and prescise school of flies. Is this true and are my wishes to fish them going against some yuppy’s notion of true dry fly fishing?  I do love the take on an attractor pattern.                                                 Tight Lines,                                                 Ryan Maas P.S. Anyone passing through the Des Moines, Ames area in late spring…and willing to stoop to tackling bass? — Ryan Maas

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Sheeeoot yeah, attractors work on the rivers you mention.  Wulffs and trudes work great on the Madison, esp. in thhhe area between Hebgen and Quake Lakes (in my experience).  As a guide, working in and around Yellowstone Park, I use all those flies regularly. The hugest fish I hooked (and lost) last summer was on Nelson’s Spring Creek, and I hooked it on a (GASP!) Wooly Bugger dead-drifted past some weeds.  One day on the Lamar, my client caught 24 cutts on Grey and Royal Wulffs. . .in 2 hours. So don’t let any Nancy-Boy purists put down attractors.  While it’s true that hatch-matching works best when there is a hatch going on (f’rinstance, during the PMD hatches on the Lamar, no self-respecting cutt would look at a Wulff), there have been many times where some- thing big and ugly has turned a crappy day into something good. I’d rather fish a dry fly any day of the week, and I’ll often fish dry when others have given up.  However, when all else fails, buggerize them. Phil

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The three you inquire about are on my short list. The Royal Trude is perhaps my favorite dry fly,

I agree 100%, it is my #1 producer especially during caddis hatches!!! It’s only drawback is that it gets destroyed pretty easily after a few bruisers get their teeth into it.  Tie ‘em from #12 to #18.   Happy Trails,                                                Steve Jackson

                                         Quint McDonald                                          Hewlett Packard                                          Corvallis Oregon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello from Iowa-         Has anyone had experience, successful I may add, with attractor patterns such as Humpies, Trudes, any of the Wulffs, Woolly Buggers, Hare’s Ears, and the like, on trout found in such heavily hit waters as the Madison and especially the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake.  I’ve had limited success with ants and Royal Wulff’s (impressionistic of beetles I presume) on the Last Chance run on the Henrys’ and regular success with Montana Stones and the ubiquitous Elk Hair Caddis on the Madison.  Does this mirror others’ experiences on these waters or other waters of similar nature?  Are these trout truly as demanding as the mag writers make them out to be (spring creek trout notwithstanding)?         Second, it seems that while attractor patterns, especially dries and the Woolly Bugger, were in vogue several years ago (probably before my start), they have lost favor again to the small and prescise school of flies. Is this true and are my wishes to fish them going against some yuppy’s notion of true dry fly fishing?  I do love the take on an attractor pattern.                                                 Tight Lines,                                                 Ryan Maas

Can’t speak for the Henrys’ Fork of the Snake, but trudes, humpies and wooly buggers are as productive and popular as ever here in Montana. Royal Trudes, yellow or red Humpies, and black, brown, or olive Wooly Buggers are on my don’t leave home without list.  These patterns work for most of the summer season but the attractors are especially effective during the hopper season from the end of July through August. Wooly Buggers are best fished as streamers (of-course) and early spring is best for rainbow and fall is best for browns. I fish the Madison, Yellowstone, and Gallatin most of the year (yes, even winter) and have come to count on a short list of proven patterns. The three you inquire about are on my short list. The Royal Trude is perhaps my favorite dry fly, right up there with a modified Adams that I tie with a bright shiny blue body. As for the trout IQ level of the big three streams above…  Depends on who you talk to. Certain areas of each river get alot of fishing pressure and there are days when nothing much is happening.  It is doublely satisfying when I can rise to the challenge and land a beautiful 17" brown from beneath a bridge that gets a daily mix of dogs, kids, winch and cable fishermen, and rafters.                                                 Happy Trails,                                                 Steve Jackson

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