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I mean yes of course there are words in Cosmo. <ahem! Sorry, but I don’t believe you.  I’m going to the bathroom and check…. Tie string to the kitchen handle first just incase you get lost or your eyesight fails.

No worries, I have a cane and a map.  :)

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Uh, oh! he’s read Cosmo.  the jig’s up, gals!

Read???  You mean there’s words in that?

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he’s read Cosmo.  the jig’s up, gals! Read???  You mean there’s words in that? Is there??? I mean yes of course there are words in Cosmo. <ahem!

Sorry, but I don’t believe you.  I’m going to the bathroom and check….

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She appears squeaky clean and innocent, and yet you and I know it’s all a front. That girl is trouble. Oh, no– you’ve seen through my diabolically clever disguise! I’ve got your number…I know what you apparently innocent women are like. I don’t fall for that sweetness and light, heart and flowers routine. I’m a man of the world, I’ve seen naughty pictures in clothing catalogues and read Cosmopolitan.

Uh, oh! he’s read Cosmo.  the jig’s up, gals! Erminia

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Oh, I love twister. When I was young I played it very often. The last time I played it with my wife, she got pregnant.

from playing twister? Daniel — Teilhard

– Computers in the future may weight no more than 1.5 tons.     -Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949

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I also want to play, you know?

 hi teilhard, my my aren’t you lookin’ mighty fine this morning! jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know? It’s called ‘Fishing for Alan’ I swear it was Philippa’s fault. She appears squeaky clean and innocent, and yet you and I know it’s all a front. That girl is trouble.

*laughing this has been my sneaking suspicion all along.  same with mary beth.  That wholesome good natured witty thing is just a trick…said the spider to the fly… (but whatta way to go!) jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (hi Philippa

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I also want to play, you know? It’s called ‘Fishing for Alan’

I swear it was Philippa’s fault. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know? I have twister, Mary Beth

Oh, I love twister. When I was young I played it very often. The last time I played it with my wife, she got pregnant. Oh, I love twister. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know?

I have twister, Mary Beth

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Will you talk to me now??????? Nope.

If I told you that I never meant to piss you off, would you talk to me? Remember, life shouldn’t have to be like credit report, huh? One week, one day, 5 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds. 205 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.91. Life saved: 17 hours, 5 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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Will you talk to me now???????

Nope. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Not if you keep testing me. Bruce.

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Will you talk to me now???????

Not if you keep testing me. Bruce.

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Will you talk to me now??????? Not if you keep testing me.

I already tested you and you passed with honours. I haven’t seen much people as positive as you, man, seriously. So, I won’t keep testing you, will you talk to me now? One week, one day, 5 hours, 0 minutes and 37 seconds. 205 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.81. Life saved: 17 hours, 5 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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i  would have before so why not now, i just never saw you before today. Oh, thanks. How is your toe? it kinda hurts, i dropped a glass on it.

Ouch!! You must be careful with the tableware!! I mean, do not go around breaking glasses, huh?? LOL. No, seriously, that must hurt quite a bit. Hope you didn’t cut, did you? Now, what is it that kicks up blood circulation? Hot water or warm water? I would go for warm water, feels nicer. Do you have someone to rub your toe? I’d be glad to do it, but I am far away. Anyway, hope it doesn’t hurt much anymore. not that you;re talking to me. Oh, yes, I was, definitely. yeah right! :p

Way, of course! – One week, one day, 4 hours, 40 minutes and 29 seconds. 204 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.75. Life saved: 17 hours, 0 minutes. – Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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fuck … ignore me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i  would have before so why not now, i just never saw you before today. Oh, thanks. How is your toe? it kinda hurts, i dropped a glass on it. not that you;re talking to me. Oh, yes, I was, definitely. yeah right! :p One week, one day, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds. 203 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.47. Life saved: 16 hours, 55 minutes.

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Will you talk to me now??????? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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i  would have before so why not now, i just never saw you before today.

Oh, thanks. How is your toe? not that you;re talking to me.

Oh, yes, I was, definitely. One week, one day, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds. 203 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.47. Life saved: 16 hours, 55 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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Hi there heading to cuba mid dec. Far west end Maria la Gorda. Any one out there have any info on this area, or other fly fishing destinations around thanks much bill

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If Ken F. has his way, you can flyfish in Cuba in Florida soon.. Herman Hi there heading to cuba mid dec. Far west end Maria la Gorda. Any one out there have any info on this area, or other fly fishing destinations around thanks much bill

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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If Ken F. has his way, you can flyfish in Cuba in Florida soon.. Herman

It’ll cost 10 times as much, though<g. — Charlie…

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What.. Florida 10 times more expensive? Did they add ballottax? Herman If Ken F. has his way, you can flyfish in Cuba in Florida soon.. Herman It’ll cost 10 times as much, though<g. — Charlie…

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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What.. Florida 10 times more expensive? Did they add ballottax?

If they haven’t already, they will<g. Somebody has to pay for all that overtime. — Charlie…

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Hello: Anyone know who sells Ed McMurray Ants  (I think they’re balsa wood in body). Any experiences with? Bob

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Good question.  I used to use McMurray ants a lot in the days I used to fish Falling Spring Branch, the Letort and the Yellow Breeches.  Don’t see them in catalogs.  Try calling a PA fly shop. Cold Spring Anglers 717-245-2646 Fishing Creek Anglers   (570) 925-2709 JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above

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Hello: Anyone know who sells Ed McMurray Ants  (I think they’re balsa wood in body).

I did a google search and this place came up http://www.murraysflyshop.com/. I bought some bodies years ago, from Orvis I believe, and still have some ants I tied with them. — Charlie…

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Anyone know who sells Ed McMurray Ants  (I think they’re balsa wood in body).

You can make them yourself by preparing bodies in advance:  two tiny chunks of balsa, threaded on a piece of nylon, all dyed or painted black. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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"Bob" writes: Anyone know who sells Ed McMurray Ants  (I think they’re balsa wood in body).

"Donald Phillipson" wrote You can make them yourself by preparing bodies in advance:  two tiny chunks of balsa, threaded on a piece of nylon, all dyed or painted black. Donald Phillipson

I would add:   Poke a needle through the balsa and shape the body parts with sandpaper or a Dremel tool.  Melt the ends of the nylon leader material with a match to form a glob after inserting it through the body parts.  Tie the middle of the body parts to the hook and take one wrap of short hackle around the middle.  It is much faster to make all the bodies at one time and add the nylon, hook and hackle later. Old Fart

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Joe joemit writes: One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over  water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out.

Not shabby?  Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup.  <g Eighty feet deep?  Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe joemit writes: One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over  water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out. Not shabby?  Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep?  Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse

… using the same technique

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Paul Goodwin writes: Not shabby?  Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep?  Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse … using the same technique

LOL.  Yeah.  Fall off the X rock into the current and get dragged into the pond and you’ll *swear* the water is 80 foot deep. Dave LaCourse

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Joe, thanks for the post, although it’s a bit out of place in a flyfishing group.  Hell, I love to fish the Quabbin, but 50 feet deep is still 40 feet deeper than I ever fish a flyline.  Flyfishing for landlocks?  I don’t think so.  Not even in the early season when they’re  up on top.  The only flyfishing I’ve done in the main res. is for the smallies in May when they come into the shallows. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted on this site since last winter as I’d rather be fishing than typing but I just had to take second and let any readers from New England know about the great landlock fishingwe’ve been having at Quabbin Reservoir in central Massachusetts. The cold wet summer we’ve had have kept the fish up and they’re suspending at 40-50 feet rather than 60+ as they do most years.<and cetera

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Yankee fish? A local lake here in Nova Scotia has a native stock. But thanks for your effort ;^) — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please. um, let’s see…oh you a-nah neesh?  no?  well, what about wah nah nish?  not right, eh?  well, how about…oh the hell with it. goddam stupid yankee fish, anyways. wayno, a man with better things to do

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Are they on top in the fall, winter or spring? Thanks. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted on this site since last winter as I’d rather be fishing than typing but I just had to take second and let any readers from New England know about the great landlock fishingwe’ve been having at Quabbin Reservoir in central Massachusetts. The cold wet summer we’ve had have kept the fish up and they’re suspending at 40-50 feet rather than 60+ as they do most years. The result has been some great fishing. Any trip will bring at least a couple salmon and many days produce 10 or more fish. A lot are small in the 1 1/2 pound class but enough are three pounds plus to make it interesting and a few six po8unders have been landed. A state fisheries biologist recently predicted the bigger fish 6 lb. + are in teh closed section of the reservoir over the really deep water fro thd summer but should begin moving into the fishable water in mid Sept. so things should get even better. One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over  water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out.

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Jamie Heim: "ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please.

I did:  "ouananiche". Dave LaCourse

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Dave L. writes: Jamie Heim: "ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please. I did:  "ouananiche". Dave LaCourse

Ooops!  Forgot.  I believe the word is northeast/Canadian Indian – Algonquin, Cree – and is pronouced: wa – na- neesh, with the emphasis on the last sylable. However, land locked salmon seems to work best in Maine.  <g Dave LaCourse

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"ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please.

        um, let’s see…oh you a-nah neesh?  no?  well, what about wah nah nish?  not right, eh?  well, how about…oh the hell with it. goddam stupid yankee fish, anyways. wayno, a man with better things to do

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"ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please. — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul Goodwin writes: Not shabby?  Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep?  Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse … using the same technique LOL.  Yeah.  Fall off the X rock into the current and get dragged into the pond and you’ll *swear* the water is 80 foot deep. Dave LaCourse

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I haven’t posted on this site since last winter as I’d rather be fishing than typing but I just had to take second and let any readers from New England know about the great landlock fishingwe’ve been having at Quabbin Reservoir in central Massachusetts. The cold wet summer we’ve had have kept the fish up and they’re suspending at 40-50 feet rather than 60+ as they do most years. The result has been some great fishing. Any trip will bring at least a couple salmon and many days produce 10 or more fish. A lot are small in the 1 1/2 pound class but enough are three pounds plus to make it interesting and a few six po8unders have been landed. A state fisheries biologist recently predicted the bigger fish 6 lb. + are in teh closed section of the reservoir over the really deep water fro thd summer but should begin moving into the fishable water in mid Sept. so things should get even better. One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over  water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out.

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Where can I get a good online map that shows the rivers in the Glacier NP area? Thanks in advance!

Don’t know about an online map.  What you really want is the book "Fly Fishing the Blackfeet Country" by Robert F. Fairchild.  I think the best fly fishing in the lower 48 is in the lakes of the Blackfeet reservation, which is everything east of Glacier for about an hours drive.  The rivers of the Blackfeet Res also have some decent fishing if you are into smaller fish.  If fishing is your thing instead of site seeing, I wouldn’t even bother with the park proper.  A tribal fishing permit costs about $35/yr.  No state licenses are required while on the reservation.

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Where can I get a good online map that shows the rivers in the Glacier NP area? Thanks in advance!

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writes: Where can I get a good online map that shows the rivers in the Glacier NP area? Thanks in advance!

Hey, Timbo.  Judging by the address, you should probably handle this one. Is he family?   <G Dave L.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Thanks for the help, guys…. SpEEdo… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He’s asking 17,500 on the side of it.  It’s a helluva deal with that big tuna tower and all the fishing rigging.  However, I’ve talked to 8 long-time sport fishermen about it and they told me Pacemaker had some I had one of these (1973) for sale two years ago.  It is great for near coastal cruising.. It has a relatively low center of gravity making it very stable.  It isn’t a full V hull as it is very flat in the stern.  This allows it acess to shallower water, but makes it pound more in the steep chop.  The flying bridge is fairly small. but adequate.  The fellow who bought it uses it in the L.I. sound regularly, and loves it.  There was no problem with blisters or delaminations. I think the $17,000 is a little high even rigged for offshore.  I sold the one at my place for $12,000 with two near new engines.  No fishing equiptment though. Boatbasin http://www.boatbasin.com

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<snip However, I’ve talked to 8 long-time sport fishermen about it and they told me Pacemaker had some AWFUL problems with blisters, delaminations and other ugly things that put the company out of business…..yecch.

What years were the eight?  An old-time marine surveyor told me that boats made before the Arab oil embargo of the mid-seventies had few if any problems with blisters.  Only after the embargo hit and oil prices went sky-high did manufacturers start tampering with resin formulations and unknowingly create blister city.  The boat in question is a ‘72 model and may be perfectly blister-free. Bill, W7TI

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He’s asking 17,500 on the side of it.  It’s a helluva deal with that big tuna tower and all the fishing rigging.  However, I’ve talked to 8 long-time sport fishermen about it and they told me Pacemaker had some

I had one of these (1973) for sale two years ago.  It is great for near coastal cruising.. It has a relatively low center of gravity making it very stable.  It isn’t a full V hull as it is very flat in the stern.  This allows it acess to shallower water, but makes it pound more in the steep chop.  The flying bridge is fairly small. but adequate.  The fellow who bought it uses it in the L.I. sound regularly, and loves it.  There was no problem with blisters or delaminations. I think the $17,000 is a little high even rigged for offshore.  I sold the one at my place for $12,000 with two near new engines.  No fishing equiptment though. Boatbasin http://www.boatbasin.com

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There’s one for sale in Charleston I have to walk by every time I go to my bud’s sailboat.  It had a little smoke damage from a fire in a home air conditioner he used but has been completely restored inside. It has radar/sonar/GPS/tv/microwave/Loran/2 alarms/lights/water/well, you get the idea. He’s asking 17,500 on the side of it.  It’s a helluva deal with that big tuna tower and all the fishing rigging.  However, I’ve talked to 8 long-time sport fishermen about it and they told me Pacemaker had some AWFUL problems with blisters, delaminations and other ugly things that put the company out of business…..yecch. Sure is tempting….it’s still floating, the new AC/heat pump is pumping and I see lights inside the stained-glass windows….(c; SpEEdo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am considering a 30′ Pacemaker – 1972. The owner says the model is Sportfish, but it sure has a small cockpit. It has a fly bridge and lower helm station which behind the step down salon/galley. This open helm area extends quite a way into the cockpit and includes the engine hatches (it has a fighting chair) and the cockpit seems quite short. I wonder if this is more a Cruiser model than a SF and if I’d get a better fishing boat if I looked for a later model. Does anyone have any knowledge of these models? I have looked in the "Sportfishing Boats 28-82′" guide and the oldest Pacemaker they show is a 1973 that has a different layout. The boat is in very good condition with outriggers, 489 hrs on 220/hp chryslers, older electronics (no GPS or radar) – he is asking $19K. Does this sound reasonable?? Thanks!

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I am considering a 30′ Pacemaker – 1972. The owner says the model is Sportfish, but it sure has a small cockpit. It has a fly bridge and lower helm station which behind the step down salon/galley. This open helm area extends quite a way into the cockpit and includes the engine hatches (it has a fighting chair) and the cockpit seems quite short. I wonder if this is more a Cruiser model than a SF and if I’d get a better fishing boat if I looked for a later model. Does anyone have any knowledge of these models? I have looked in the "Sportfishing Boats 28-82′" guide and the oldest Pacemaker they show is a 1973 that has a different layout. The boat is in very good condition with outriggers, 489 hrs on 220/hp chryslers, older electronics (no GPS or radar) – he is asking $19K. Does this sound reasonable?? Thanks!

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I wouldn’t trust the reliability of the hourmeter.  You need both a survey and a mechanic to check out your boat to decide if 19K is a good price. — — Jim Proud, but feeble minded Regal Owner Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

| I am considering a 30′ Pacemaker – 1972. The owner says the model is | Sportfish, but it sure has a small cockpit. It has a fly bridge and lower | helm station which behind the step down salon/galley. This open helm area | extends quite a way into the cockpit and includes the engine hatches (it has | a fighting chair) and the cockpit seems quite short. | | I wonder if this is more a Cruiser model than a SF and if I’d get a better | fishing boat if I looked for a later model. Does anyone have any knowledge of | these models? I have looked in the "Sportfishing Boats 28-82′" guide and the | oldest Pacemaker they show is a 1973 that has a different layout. | | The boat is in very good condition with outriggers, 489 hrs on 220/hp | chryslers, older electronics (no GPS or radar) – he is asking $19K. Does this | sound reasonable?? | | Thanks! |

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We were in this area last September and camped with a small pop-up camper in the Conejos Campground which was lovely.  There were only a few other folks camped at the time ( mid-week).  Spectacle Lake right nearby is nice also, and the others we passed going east on 17 also looked nice.  We did not drive up to the Lake Fork or Mix Lake campgrounds as they were posted as closed, if I recall (maybe because of the time of year). Unfortunately, however, my husband who was flyfishing caught nothing (we were there only one night and part of 2 days) and says he did not even see a fish (but that was then, and this is now). Nancy Wilson  

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Does anyone have info (or experience) on camping in the Rio Grande National forest in Conejos County CO. I’m taking a pop-up and plan on fly fishing the entire ten days I’ll be there. Thanks in advance Mark Wiebelhaus

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Does anyone know of a good place to get away for some good fly fishing?  I am willing to hike 4-8 miles in order to find some seclusion and good fly angling.  I’m thinking of going somewhere near the Emigrant Wilderness area early next month.  If your spot is top secret, please Email me directly and I’ll use it very discretely.  Thanks for the good help.

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I will be going into the high country out of Kings Canyone later this month – 10,000′ and up. I inherited a fly rod & reel, and will be taking it along to experiment. I have caught a few trout with it already. I would appreciate any reccomendatiions on what works best in that area as far as fly selections. I will stock up a bit, but can’t get too carried away with gear. Thanks Brian Millin

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I will be going into the high country out of Kings Canyone later this month – 10,000′ and up. <snip I would appreciate any reccomendatiions on what works best in that area as far as fly selections. <snip

Brian, This is almost too easy.  You can catch fish in the high country on just about anything.  Last week I had a brookie hit my strike indicator, and wouldn’t let go! The streams between lakes, and where streams enter lakes are great spots to fish, but you probably already know this.  You can keep your fly selection very limited and simple.  Sizes 12, 14, 16 mainly.  Take along some Adams or Bi-visibles or Royal Wulffs, Gold Ribbed Hares Ear Nymphs, a Wooley Bugger or two.  These fish will NOT be selective.   Be sure to fish barbless, because you’ll catch way to many to keep them all, plus you want to release them fast to catch some more.  Fish every little pocket and seam, cover the water thoroughly, you won’t be disappointed. Write back when you return, Bruce

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Does anyone know of a good place to get away for some good fly fishing?  I am willing to hike 4-8 miles in order to find some seclusion and good fly angling.  I’m thinking of going somewhere near the Emigrant Wilderness area early next month.  If your spot is top secret, please Email me directly and I’ll use it very discretely.  Thanks for the good help.

As far as I’m concerned, the Emigrant Wilderness offers the best fishing to be found in the Sierra backcountry.  I can count on rainbows and brookies in the 18" to 20" range on most of my trips now.  I’ve found the key to good lake fishing is getting in the water.  That plus my black wooly buggers.  The only problem (or saving grace?) with the Emigrant Wilderness is that all of the worthwhile destinations begin at about the 15 mile mark.  So it doesn’t offer much to the weekender. If you’ve got the time, I suggest you contact the Kennedy Meadows Resort (1-209-965-3900) for horse packing information.  A pack trip is fairly inexpensive, you can get a long ways into the mountains and you can live slightly above the austere level of the shoe-buckeroo.  I would be happy to help you get hooked up on a trip, as I do a bit of cooking for the pack station from time to time.

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  I NEED to take my wife to a place where she can catch some trout – or SOMETHING – before she decides that WE don’t like fishing any more.   She presents well, but never seems to catch a fish. I am very unfamiliar with Virginia streams, and don’t know enough to help her with selecting an appropriate fly,I often find the Va. streams, that are stocked, fished-out ( I really believe that people follow the stocking trucks. I have taken her to stocked streams in the Nat’l forest and NOONE caught a fish. The rainbows and browns up high are very timid and a wonderful challenge, but Lisa doesn’t need a challenge now – just a fish or two so she can remember what it is all about ( I like to catch fish now & then too and this plea is not really so selfless ) Any info that you might have on a reasonable beginner stream with stocked trout would be most appreciated. Thanks Scott

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Scott , have you tried the Jackson River? Its North of Covington, in the Hot spring area, there you will find good,I mean great Catch and release waters full of nice trout and others to catch. Your wife could easily catch enough to make her want to stay there forever!

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Scott,    Perhaps something from the bass family would do her nicely? My wife became interested when the Smallmouth started biting, she’s into trout now, but it was the bass that interested her first. It’s a tough time of year to start if she’s a beginner. The water’s low and the fish are skittish and spooky. You need a long leader and a delicate approach. I took my wife to the Jackson this past weekend, and shewent fishless. If you can, try the Potomac, the Shenandoah River or the James, tie a Yellow popper (not too big) onto a 3-4x tippet or a black Wolley Bugger #8 and let her at ‘em. She’ll catch a fish. Best time for beginners is March to July. Hope this helps! Keith in Waterford, VA

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 I NEED to take my wife to a place where she can catch some trout – or SOMETHING – before she decides that WE don’t like fishing any more. <<

Try another kind of fish. I recommend the Shenandoah. Give Manny Sainz a call at ‘the Hatch’ a bed and breakfast in Edinburg. He and his wife Bobby will give you a room, nice meal. hospitality, and a bunch of (non-trout) fish! Simon Hallett

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Does anyone have a pattern recipe for that marvelous fly.  :-) I look in many book but was unable to find a pattern for the Griffith’s Gnat, only found the Black Gnat.

Randall Kaufmann’s Dry Fly Book has several variations. I simply use a peacock herl body and a palmered black hackle. When the spirit moves me, I put on a CDC or polywing single wing. -Dave

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: Does anyone have a pattern recipe for that marvelous fly.  :-) I look in many : book but was unable to find a pattern for the Griffith’s Gnat, only found the : Black Gnat. : Au plaisir de vous lire, : Denis Lamy : Trois-Rivieres (Quebec, Canada) : ~~~ :  * VbReader 2.22 #67 * Il en nait un toutes les minutes. P.T.Barnum Bonjour, Le Griffiths gnat est tres simple… Ok, so my French is not up to speed, but basically you just tie on a body of peacock herl and then palmer the hackle (usually grizzly looks best) over the body.  Very easy fly, I think it is particularly effective with a slightly over-sized hackle. Regards

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Hook 94840 16-22 Materials – peacock hurl, grizzley hackle attach hackle then hurl at bend of hook, close wrap hurl forward to head, palmer hackle through hurl, tie off and extremely small head. represents a midge orgy. gink it up and fish it as a dry, or fish it as an emerger.  Easy to tie fly that works when the midges are too small to match. I’ve used it successfully on South Platte, Green, San Juan, Big Horn, Frying Pan rivers, brookie streams and ponds, blue gill lakes and most other places I have fished Tight Lines Mark

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Does anyone have a pattern recipe for that marvelous fly.  :-) I look in many book but was unable to find a pattern for the Griffith’s Gnat, only found the Black Gnat.

Simple: #16-22 fine wire dry fly hook black thread peacock herl body grizzly hackle (size 2X hook gape) – palmered through body /dave

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This is from the Universal Fly Tying Guide by Dick Stewart, 2nd Edition (a nice book). HOOK – Standard dry fly; sizes 14 to 22 THREAD – Black TAIL – None BODY – Peacock herl WING – None HACKLE – Grizzly, wrapped over the herl body RIB – Fine gold wire (optional) COMMENT – This fly pattern has proved to be a very effective imitation of           small, dark midges. Good Luck! Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Go Owls!

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I saw a variation of the griffith’s gnat at a fly shop on the Bighorn River and it out fishes the traditional pattern.  To tie the griffith’s gnat ala Bighorn, palmer a brown hackle in with the grizzley hackle (like an adams).  Try it, you’ll like it. Kent Fishman

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Does anyone have a pattern recipe for that marvelous fly.  :-) I look in many book but was unable to find a pattern for the Griffith’s Gnat, only found the Black Gnat. Randall Kaufmann’s Dry Fly Book has several variations. I simply use a peacock herl body and a palmered black hackle. When the spirit moves me, I put on a CDC or polywing single wing. -Dave

What is a griffiths gnat?

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It is the Main Branch of the Swift River that is the tailwater of the Quabbin.  The east branch feeds into the reservoir about 6 miles north.

Whoops! You are correct, sir ;^) I oughta know better than that… /dave (Swift River Irregular) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Hi,     I try to fish the G. Gnat with flotant applied only to the top of the fly.  This way it is half submurged.  But as you can see by all the replies there are so many ways.  Experiment.  Good luck…                                         …Steven

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Hi,
    I try to fish the G. Gnat with flotant applied only to the top
of the fly.  This way it is half submurged.  But as you can see by
all the replies there are so many ways.  Experiment.  Good luck…
                                   …Steven

Trim the hackle off of the bottom of the G. Gnat with your tippet clipper when you want it to float lower. Looks like an emerger this way. Don’t put floatant on it at all. Looks like a nymph this way. Load it up with floatant. Looks like a mating ball of midges this way. Tie it with a red or yellow or green floss mid section. I call it a Royal Gnat. Fish it as an attractor. Instead of the standard peacock body, use different colored dubbing. Olive or brown is a real good producer for me. Believe it or not, blue bodied brown hackled G. Gnat have caught many fish when nothing else has. As you can tell, I fish the G. Gnat a lot, and have caught many fish with. It even works on carp, even though that’s not what I’m usually fishing for. This is one of the most versatile flies invented. Don’t go fishing without them. Darryl Hayashida

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Grease the leader  and fish dead drift down stream. I like to clip the bottom hackle off letting the fly float lower in the water. I fish this in July and August.  Works good!!!! Dave Grand Rapids Mi.

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Fish it dry, with a long leader. You will find the take very subtle. Works well at dusk which makes it very hard to see the take. Sometimes you’ll have to set the hook in reaction to the riseform, or even the sound of a slurp. Usually you’ll need a downstream drift, as the water will be quiet, and the trout finicky.

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: I’ve also fished small (20-24) Griffith’s Gnats both dry and using the greased : leader technique. It’s a particularly deadly performer on the East Branch of : the Swift River (central Massachusetts) which is known for the tiny : still-water bugforms that spew from Quabbin Rsvr… It is the Main Branch of the Swift River that is the tailwater of the Quabbin.  The east branch feeds into the reservoir about 6 miles north.

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I’ve also fished small (20-24) Griffith’s Gnats both dry and using the greased leader technique. It’s a particularly deadly performer on the East Branch of the Swift River (central Massachusetts) which is known for the tiny still-water bugforms that spew from Quabbin Rsvr… /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Many times I have seen fish short rise to the gnat, or inspect and then reject it.  When this happens I tug the fly so that it breaks the surface and I then fish it immediately under the surface.  I have had many fish break me off because of the voracity of the strike. rfb

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When I lived in Montana I used it strictly as a dry for Whitefish on the Big Hole.  It’s funny how you somtimes think a fly only works a particular way.  Now that I live in Alaska I use it for Grayling on the surface, just under the surface, mid-level, and on the bottom (although I’ve never weighted one).  Peacock herl is a Grayling slayer (pardon the term).  I remember one day last year where after 50 or so fish the hackle was unspun, so was most of the pecock herl, and the fly just slowly sank every time it landed.  It didn’t sink for long though.  A Grayling would inevitably snatch it up before it got too far.  After about 100 or so fish I sank it deep into my vest as a reminder that rules are ment to be broken.

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writes: A stupid question:  I’ve read several posts here and books which refer
to Griffith’s gnat.  I can tie one – it’s dead simple, but how do you fish

this thing?  Dry?  Like a nymph with split shot?
— –Mark Camara
  Dept EPO Biology — CB 334
  U.Colorado, Boulder 80309

No it’s not a stupid question… I have had fairly good success fishing a Griffith’s Gnat both ways. The larger ones (14 or 16) work well as a nymph or wet fly, and the smaller ones work well as a dry fly. I guess the secret is to be able to recognize when to fish them wet or dry. Just as an aside, a few months ago I wrote about an incident which happened to me. My wife was fishing with me and decided to use an elk hair caddis. She didn’t know you were supposed to put floatant on it, and it got soggy and sank. She ended up catching more and bigger fish than everyone else that day. I guess the bottom line is don’t get locked into what the fly is supposed to do, experiment with it. You might surprise yourself. Darryl

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: A stupid question:  I’ve read several posts here and books which refer : to Griffith’s gnat.  I can tie one – it’s dead simple, but how do you fish this thing?  Dry?  Like a nymph with split shot? : — : –Mark Camara Mark, I think the beauty of the griffiths gnat is that it can be fished in several different ways.  I have had the best luck with size 18-22 tied with slightly oversized hackles fished dry.  I think they represent small midges very well, but float a little better and are more visible. They can also be fished below the surface using a method similar to what you would use for a wooly bugger or wooly worm. I fished them dry up on the Poudre last fall and had fantastic success.   Darin

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A stupid question:  I’ve read several posts here and books which refer to Griffith’s gnat.  I can tie one – it’s dead simple, but how do you fish this thing?  Dry?  Like a nymph with split shot? — –Mark Camara   Dept EPO Biology — CB 334   U.Colorado, Boulder 80309

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