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The weather has finally warmed, water temps are up, ospreys are feeding chicks, bass are close in, panfish are feeding, the lake and river are full of gators vying for mates. On the beaches the salts are moving in close, sharks are biting, herons are stalking the water again with purpose. Starlings and robins have moved through. All is green (though dry) with the smell of magnolias, honeysuckle , confederate jasmine and citrus blossoms. In the cool damp mornings I wonder how anyone could live without the soothing of the senses in the south. Now if we could just get some rain paradise would be revived. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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John, as much as I disliked my short residence in Orlando, you write of all the things I DID love about being there.  Nothing like my little weekend jaunts into the swamps around Hunters Creek for bluegill, bass, gator dodging, wildlife watching, solitude, silence….or the occasional drive to Canaveral Seashore for a little surf fishing with a fly. Ohhhhh, sweet memories…. Bruce Thomsen

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Speaking of trollbait, looks like you have a little extra time on your hands. I didn’t fire the first shot, posted a simple inquiry about a member of ROFF that was active a few years ago and tried to calm the zoo down.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are gentlemen on ROFF, and occasionally there are dicks, but up to now the booby prize it seems, must go, to be46, we have been trolled by experts, and also completely uninitiated, but not often have we been so trolled, by an ego so inflated. There was a case or two of course, some old Roffians may recall, but these were mostly fly-by-nights, and contributed bugger-all, it will be interesting then to see if this as well is such a case, or if indeed he settles down, behaves himself, and finds his place. One is obliged of course to ask, why forty six? why not forty seven? are there no names? just numbers ? in happy trollers heaven. When one walks into a pub there, does one insult the guests? is this condition treatable ? perhaps to do with overactive testes? Balls are of course important, cojones in fact may be admired, but mostly when directed by intelligence, and not just wildly fired, beware the wrath of ROFF, although the flames of hell are hot, the flames of ROFF are awful things when directed at some snot. The smell is indescribable, and the fumes would choke a horse, so unless you want an awful singeing, then take a different course. What is the point of this charade? why bother with these things? If you wish to be insulting, there are other places you could stretch your wings. Think on Icarus then, who in hubris, flew too high and melted all his wax, your feathers may well fall off too, if you continue with these stupid cracks, and though bald eagles may be noble, bald trollers are just an ugly pain, perhaps you might consider this, before you post a load of crap on here again? We are here to talk on many things, mainly concerning fishing with a fly, and we do not take it kindly when strangers our colleagues here decry, you do not know Wayno, in fact it seems hardly anybody here, so why bother then insulting them? No one will lend an ear. If you wish to post to ROFF, then learn some manners please, an apology indeed would be quite nice, and might some appease, of course if you continue in your quest to raise some Roffian ire, don

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I’ve finally put up some photos of Christmas Island on my web site. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I’ve finally put up some photos of Christmas Island on my web site.

GREAT PICS!!  Looks like one terrific time! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I’ve finally put up some photos of Christmas Island on my web site.

Um, just a warning to everyone out there… Steve’s pictorial has pictures of boobies in it. OK, I warned you. –Steve

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I’ve finally put up some photos of Christmas Island on my web site. Um, just a warning to everyone out there… Steve’s pictorial has pictures of boobies in it. OK, I warned you. –Steve

Correction. Just one boobie. Bruce caught it while trolling for trevally. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Nice. Why do they call it Christmas Island ? — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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Nice. Why do they call it Christmas Island ?

Captain Cook set ashore there on Christmas Day. It’s part of the Republic of Kiribati. (The capital is Tarawa.) It’s not to be confused with the other Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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As with most English sounding place names, it was named by one of the first white guys to visit there. Captain William Mynors of the East India Ship Company vessel, the Royal Mary, named the island when he arrived on Christmas Day, 25th December, 1643.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice. Why do they call it Christmas Island ? — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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As with most English sounding place names, it was named by one of the first white guys to visit there.

In this case, those white guys may have been the first ever to visit. The island was uninhabited at the time. All they found were a few palm trees, a lot of turtles, and one shitload of birds. The island was deemed "uninhabitable", although the present-day native seem to be making a go of it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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[deleted] Captain Cook set ashore there on Christmas Day. It’s part of the Republic of Kiribati. (The capital is Tarawa.) It’s not to be confused with the other Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean.

Thanks. I wonder if he had a Sage 890RPL under the tree so that he could bone fish. Your pal, — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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[deleted] Captain William Mynors of the East India Ship Company vessel, the Royal Mary, named the island when he arrived on Christmas Day, 25th December, 1643.

That must be the other one ? — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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[deleted] Captain William Mynors of the East India Ship Company vessel, the Royal Mary, named the island when he arrived on Christmas Day, 25th December, 1643. That must be the other one ?

I’m afraid Stan is referring to the discovery of the OTHER Christmas Island. The one in the Indian Ocean. Common mistake. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Amazing… that trevally almost of my chair. Is that a digitally enhanced fish, or is it really _that_ big? Herman I’ve finally put up some photos of Christmas Island on my web site. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Amazing… that trevally almost of my chair. Is that a digitally enhanced fish, or is it really _that_ big? Herman

It’s really that big. I got the picture from Bill Kiene. The fisherman is Kevin Thompson of the Sage Rod Company . — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Make that knocked me out of my chair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Amazing… that trevally almost of my chair. Is that a digitally enhanced fish, or is it really _that_ big? Herman I’ve finally put up some photos of Christmas Island on my web site. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam) —         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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I wonder if he had a Sage 890RPL under the tree so that he could bone fish.

Personally I prefer to bone fish with a fillet knife, but to each his own. Pat K

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Greetings: I wonder if he had a Sage 890RPL under the tree so that he could bone fish.

Personally I prefer to bone fish with a fillet knife, but to each his own.

Pat K

Just curious:   Do people _eat_ bone fish?  I am going to have an opportunity to fish for them a bit, for the first time, next January.  (I’ll be asking for help and advise later as the time gets closer, folks  :-)) Cheers,  -Mark

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I wonder if he had a Sage 890RPL under the tree so that he could bone fish. Personally I prefer to bone fish with a fillet knife, but to each his own.

Just to be certain…you must know that I am usually fairly pedantic in my word usage and that the original sentence appeared as I intended. To wit: To "bone" something does not necessarily imply the removal of internal skeletal matter though that may be an undesired side affect of a really violent ‘boning’.  It does, however, imply the use of certain cylindrical erectile tissues in the act (as the verb ‘bone’).  The mimicked sheaths of the noun are often displayed proudly by the male of certain tribal customs. (Yes, I fear that I may have awoke the sleeping mountie with that last bit of imagery) Your pal, — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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Just curious: Do people _eat_ bone fish?  I am going to have an opportunity to fish for them a bit, for the first time, next January.  (I’ll be asking for help and advise later as the time gets closer, folks  :-))

Yes, they do, but not on Christmas Island. Because bonefish often travel in schools along the shore they’re very easy to net, much to the detriment of sportfishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Yep, wrong island.  I didn’t know there were two – I got the Australian version in the Indian Ocean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Captain William Mynors of the East India Ship Company vessel, the Royal Mary, named the island when he arrived on Christmas Day, 25th December, 1643. That must be the other one ?

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Nice. Why do they call it Christmas Island ? Captain Cook set ashore there on Christmas Day. It’s part of the Republic of Kiribati. (The capital is Tarawa.) It’s not to be confused with the other Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean.

Is this the same Christmas Island where the millions of red land crabs migrate to the ocean to lay eggs every year?  I saw a Discovery Channel special on that and it looked like quite an impressive thing to see. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Nice. Why do they call it Christmas Island ? Captain Cook set ashore there on Christmas Day. It’s part of the Republic of Kiribati. (The capital is Tarawa.) It’s not to be confused with the other Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean. Is this the same Christmas Island where the millions of red land crabs migrate to the ocean to lay eggs every year?  I saw a Discovery Channel special on that and it looked like quite an impressive thing to see.

Nope, that’s the other one. They have ample numbers of land crabs, though. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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hmmm…then, i assume the "sleeping mountie" is a "bone" technique? jeff (in full monty) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder if he had a Sage 890RPL under the tree so that he could bone fish. Personally I prefer to bone fish with a fillet knife, but to each his own. Just to be certain…you must know that I am usually fairly pedantic in my word usage and that the original sentence appeared as I intended. To wit: To "bone" something does not necessarily imply the removal of internal skeletal matter though that may be an undesired side affect of a really violent ‘boning’.  It does, however, imply the use of certain cylindrical erectile tissues in the act (as the verb ‘bone’).  The mimicked sheaths of the noun are often displayed proudly by the male of certain tribal customs. (Yes, I fear that I may have awoke the sleeping mountie with that last bit of imagery) Your pal, — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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Yep, wrong island.  I didn’t know there were two – I got the Australian version in the Indian Ocean.

I suspect its that old International Date Line thing.  Probably the same island; just depends whether you’re looking at it from yesterday or tomorrow, compounded by the fact that when viewed from Australia the whole damn thing would be upside down and thus rendered unrecognizable anyway.  Moreover, the English would throw in an extra u somewhere in the middle or a superfluous e at the end, merely adding to the confusion.  The French on the other hand, would further muddy the issue by giving it an entirely unpronounceable spelling and then proceed to drown it in butter and garlic before eating it and rendering the whole argument moot.  Hope this helps.

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Congratulation, I know that a such trevally, is really hard to bring back on a fly rod. You where fishing 12? I’m really, really happy for you.

I didn’t catch that monster, Phillipe. The angler is Kevin Thompson of Sage Rod Company. If I posted a photo of the only trevally I caught you’d die laughing. BTW, is that photo of the blond guy with the big trevally on your website a photo of you? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I didn’t catch that monster, Phillipe.

Next time, next time… BTW, is that photo of the blond guy with the big trevally on your website a photo of you?

Yep, it’s me, but don’t say to my hairdresser that I’m fishing when I need to let him make me a decent look. (I preffer the picture with the Spanish Mackerel). A bientot, Philippe Pacific Angling on Line http://fishing.ifrance.com — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ (Reply-to set to something bogus to avoid spam)

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What happened to my original thread?

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What is a boobie? Buzzer?

Hi Michael, A Booby is a particular type of lure, I’m surprised no-one has described one sooner. Take for example a Black Booby. Hook            Long shank #10 Tail            Black marabou Body            Black chenille with silver rib   Hackle          Black cock The Booby bit           Two polystyrene/ ethafoam beads about 3/16" diam tied at the eye of the hook. The beads are encased in a small piece of nylon stocking and tied in with a figure of 8 whipping (better still a piece of surgical rubber such as condom rubber – waterproof see!) Fished on a very short leader, about 18" with a fast sink line. Allow to sink to the bottom and retrieve slowly. Takes can be vicious. As a method of fishing, I agree with one contributor to this thread, it is boring, but just the thing when you want a bit of a rest to sip that single malt. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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<snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin. 6. … How about Boobies?

Don’t know anything about UK boobies, but here in the states if you want boobies, especially the gorgeous, perky young ones, it’s best to troll with a late model sports car. — Ken Fortenberry

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Nice one!

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Sometimes you just don’t know the depth to fish. In that case I use a sinking line (they sink at different rates, so make certain you know your line). On the first few casts I’ll let it sink for 5 seconds before I start retrieving. I then go to 10 seconds and so forth until I find the correct depth.  Not as scientific as some methods,  but it usually works if you have enough patience. DLH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish) Depth will primarily depend on what the fish are feeding on, and the temperature of the water.  On a hot summer day, you often get a layer of very warm water on top, and cool water underneath.  In winter you get the opposite effect.  Fish will therefore be deep.  (How deep will depend on lake and feeding behavior).  While in early spring, optimum temperatures will be in the top layer, as in late fall.  At some times of the year, fish can be anywhere in the water column. 2. Any general hotspots Generally fish hang out where there is 1) food; 2) optimum temperature; 3) protection from predators.  Typical hotspots include: — in spring fed lakes, in summer, springholes where cool water enters the lake, producing optimum temperatures — inlets, where incoming streams wash in food and/or produce optimum temperatures — drop offs which provide deep water protection with easy access to shallows holding bait fish for food. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Beats me. 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use? Is a buzzers a streamer/bucktail?  Try to check out baitfish in lake. If you can’t determine, start with something close to the bottom color, e.g. brown, olive. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size? Not necessarily. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies? What is a boobie? Buzzer? Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Don’t know anything about UK boobies, but here in the states if you want boobies, especially the gorgeous, perky young ones, it’s best to troll with a late model sports car.

Cash works as well as the sports car Ken, and its a great deal less bulky, but somehow I’ve managed to lose the manual on how to acquire either.  Can you help me out here?

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… I’ve managed to lose the manual on how to acquire either.  Can you help me out here?

Buy low, sell high. Hope this helps. — Ken Fortenberry

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish)

Use a weigted nymph or streamer ( lure )  and "count down"  until you get a strike.  Technique is cast, count until bottom is felt, retrieve. Cast again, count minus ten ad retrieve etc.  This works best with sinking lines, but will also wortk with nymphs etc on a very long leader. 2. Any general hotspots

Around sunken hedges and similar, it takes a while to get to know the hotspots on stillwaters.  One tip though, do not fish with the wind at your back just because it is comfortable. Fish into the wind, and try the margins first before wading in etc. If the prevailing wind has been in the same direction for some time lots of surface food etc will be very close to the bank opposite to the direction the wind is blowing. A woolly bugger or wormfly or stick fly drawn over the stones etc especially in a slight wave right in the margins is usually successful. Dont forget to try dry flies, Chew and Blagdon are noted for the good surface activity. Hoppers, and similar are a good bet. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

It may be dirty, clean it with warm soapy water. Most things from Airflo are rubbish, includng their lines and rods. Buy a Cortland !!!!!!! 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use?

Try black first, then brown , then green then red, or fish a team to start with and use the one that gets the most hits. It is also possible to see buzzers hatching, take a small pair of binoculars along, and scan the water carefully. The shucks from the last hatch will ofetn be floating in the margins, and also check the spiders webs on the bushes in the area, these will have example of the last hatches stuck in them. Saves a lot of guesswork. Also you can ask one of the regulars, they are usually happy to help. Just dont clump up like a bloody elephant and disturb anyones fishing. Wait if necessary until they stop for a smoke or something. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size?

No, it depends on the size of the natural which you wish to imitate. Lake size is immaterial. Buzzers vary in size considerably, but sizes 12 14 and 16 are common. A snipe and purple and a partridge and orange are also excellent buzzer imitations, and catch remarkably well. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies?

Depends what you mean by easy. Lure fishing means continuous long casting with basically a fish imitation. It is sometimes very successful, sometimes not.  Buzzers ( midge pupae, Chironomid = non biting midges )  are usually fished static, or at least evyr slowly indeed,in the surface film. Booby fishing is usually quite deadly, technique = sinking line, short leader, no more than three feet, and down to ten inches. Cast sinking line out, allow to sink to bottom, retrieve in short pulls which causes the foam headed booby to dive towards the bottom like a fry heading for shelter. Bright fluorescent boobies work well for rainbows, more sober colours, black brown etc for browns. The technique is effective but boring. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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<snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin.

Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best. TL MC

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Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best.

Hmm. There are two Mucilins. The red Mucilin is mostly animal fat and has never hurt any of my lines so far as I can tell. The green Mucilin is a silicone paste and I’m not familiar with it. I find the Cortland to be somewhat hard to apply because it tends to clump up and make a mess. Have you tried the PZ Plasticiser ? I haven’t but it sounds good. — Ken Fortenberry

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<SNIPPED Have you tried the PZ Plasticiser ? I haven’t but it sounds good. — Ken Fortenberry

Hi Ken, I spoke to the former president of Cortland not long ago on this very subject. He confirmed that dressings, other than those recommended by the manufacturer, should be avoided.  At one time it was of no particular consequence, as long as you avoided petrochemical derivatives and one or two chemicals like DEET, and some suntan lotions  or similar. Nowadays the line coatings are so complex that it is best to avoid dressings at all if you are not sure what to use. The possibilites are in the meantime endless, even not taking things like albolene,  rain-x, vaseline,   and God knows what else into account, I do not use these, simply because I do not know what is in them, and what effect it may have on my line. I do not doubt for one second that some of them work very well.  The Cortland dressing is the best I have found up to now, I wash my lines after every outing in warm soapy water, let them dry,to the floaters I then apply a thin coat of the Cortland stuff by pulling the line slowly through the applicator and buff it off again using a soft cloth.  Never had a problem, and I have some lines that are well over ten years old and still in regular use. I have some even older ones as well, but they are a bit stiff, so I dont use them anymore. Some pastes contain solvents besides the dressing, this will at first do no obvious harm to the line, but after a while the plasticizers will be leeched out and small cracks will start to appear, shortly after that the line becomes useless.  I have seen lines damaged very badly after only being used a dozen times, it was not always possible to find out why, and may in fact have been faulty lines occasionally, but in the main the damage was due to incorrect line dressing or contamination, and on several occasions heat stress, or fume damage ( line left in boot [trunk] of car with petrol [gas] tanks etc ), fine grit adhering to some line dressings will also damage a line very quickly indeed, which would not happen if there was no dressing on it. I can see no point in buying a nice expensive line and then using some cheap dressing of largely unknown content and efficiency on it.  I dont put olive oil in my car engine either, although this would work, and be cheaper, but with what effects and for how long ? I buy the best engine oil I can get which the manufacturer recommends. While it is probable that the potential damage done by certain products is minimal, why take the chance ?  For the same reason I dont use the plasticizer products, they contain solvents which contain the plasticizers, and these may have a deleterious effect on the line with time. The plasticizer content in most modern products is designed to last the normal useful life of the product, it is unlikely that additives will extend this useful life by much if at all. The plasticizers added at manufacture are an integral component  of the plastic, those added at a later stage will only affect the surface of the line if at all, deep penetration would require a transport medium such as a solvent, and there you have "catch 22" again. I know a guy who uses bacon fat to treat his line and his leaders and his flies when necessary, and he swears the "flavour" helps as well, he may be right, but I think I will stick to my method for the time being. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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it’s dirty….clean it with a soft soap..treat it with cortland or airflo dressin, and wallah…as new. the airflo 7000ts is a fine and genuine hi-tech fly line for y2k and beyond. if you ain’t fished it… your loss. a blatant advertisement brought to you by the likes of that dastardly self promoter, laurie and jo wooer, dahlwhinnie sipper this fine eve (thanks t.), and general rascal, wataugan walt… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin. Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best. TL MC

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish) 2. Any general hotspots 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use? 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size? 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies? Thanks in advance

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish)

Depth will primarily depend on what the fish are feeding on, and the temperature of the water.  On a hot summer day, you often get a layer of very warm water on top, and cool water underneath.  In winter you get the opposite effect.  Fish will therefore be deep.  (How deep will depend on lake and feeding behavior).  While in early spring, optimum temperatures will be in the top layer, as in late fall.  At some times of the year, fish can be anywhere in the water column. 2. Any general hotspots

Generally fish hang out where there is 1) food; 2) optimum temperature; 3) protection from predators.  Typical hotspots include: — in spring fed lakes, in summer, springholes where cool water enters the lake, producing optimum temperatures — inlets, where incoming streams wash in food and/or produce optimum temperatures — drop offs which provide deep water protection with easy access to shallows holding bait fish for food. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

Beats me. 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use?

Is a buzzers a streamer/bucktail?  Try to check out baitfish in lake. If you can’t determine, start with something close to the bottom color, e.g. brown, olive. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size?

Not necessarily. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies?

What is a boobie? Buzzer? Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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        you sure as hell have *my* permission, torben, ol’ chum!                 wayno the lustful – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       Torben Meldgaard have to check with the better half, eh? also….although this is a text ng, you have my ok to post the jpg here Happy Holidays, –Wataugan Walt

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have to check with the better half, eh? also….although this is a text ng, you have my ok to post the jpg here Happy Holidays, –Wataugan Walt

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Hi again Actually I have a very nice picture of a longhaired blond girl fishing for salmon in nothing but boots, but I will have to get some permissions first. I will see what I can do.        Torben Meldgaard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Torben, A very nice site. To generate interest and flow with the popular perception of Scandinavia, try posting pictures of tall, beautiful, blonde Scandinavian women rushing from the sauna to plunge in the cold trout and salmon infested waters. Even consider posing one of these young ladies with fly vest and rod while exploring the depths of the river with her streamer. Wayne Hart To Fish is Human….To Release Divine

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Torben, A very nice site. To generate interest and flow with the popular perception of Scandinavia, try posting pictures of tall, beautiful, blonde Scandinavian women rushing from the sauna to plunge in the cold trout and salmon infested waters. Even consider posing one of these young ladies with fly vest and rod while exploring the depths of the river with her streamer. Wayne Hart

I must say Wayne you are perfectly right. A couple of really good tall beautiful naked Scandnavian blondes always compensates me for catching nothing on Scandinavian rivers.  My wife is of the opinion that the Salmon are in fact secondary, ridiculous idea of course. But I bet you know just exactly what I mean ! Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Hi there I just want to tell you the address of my new home page about fly fishing in Scandinavia. Please take a look at it and give me some constructive criticism, I promise You I won’t cry.   Here goes:               http://www.imf.au.dk/~tmm/flyfish.html     Yours truly    Torben Meldgaard

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Torben, A very nice site. To generate interest and flow with the popular perception of Scandinavia, try posting pictures of tall, beautiful, blonde Scandinavian women rushing from the sauna to plunge in the cold trout and salmon infested waters. Even consider posing one of these young ladies with fly vest and rod while exploring the depths of the river with her streamer. Wayne Hart To Fish is Human….To Release Divine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there I just want to tell you the address of my new home page about fly fishing in Scandinavia. Please take a look at it and give me some constructive criticism, I promise You I won’t cry.   Here goes:               http://www.imf.au.dk/~tmm/flyfish.html     Yours truly    Torben Meldgaard Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Torben Meldgaard Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin:          vcard fn:             Torben Meldgaard n:              Meldgaard;Torben org:            Institute of Biology, Aarhus, Denmark title:          Stud.Scient x-mozilla-cpt:  ;14432 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version:        2.1 end:            vcard

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An associate and I are looking for information, books, history, plans, etc. on a wooden, flat bottom, skiff-like drift boat, used for fly fishing.  This craft is used extensively on the Manistee, and AuSable rivers of Michigan. It’s been called the AuSable riverboat.  Any leads would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Damian M. Taulbee On A Fly, L.L.C.

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An associate and I are looking for information, books, history, plans, etc. on a wooden, flat bottom, skiff-like drift boat, used for fly fishing. This craft is used extensively on the Manistee, and AuSable rivers of Michigan. It’s been called the AuSable riverboat.  Any leads would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

livery. He has a guide working for him named Roger who builds a beautiful AuSable boat also. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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I’ll be taking a trip to Los Angeles next week.  Anyone know of places near LA/SD for saltwater fly fishing?    Mu Young Lee         Ann Arbor,MI  o             oooo                          o   o   o o   o o o  o

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King harbour, Redondo Beach, renown for 1/2 bonita on the fly.  See "inside Angler"

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it is not uncommon for trout to jump out of  the water for food.  I once wrapped a fly around a branch and it was swinging about 4" above the water.  I was about to wade over to the fly when a rainbow jumped up and neatly hooked himself. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As the flies neared the water, small rainbows would invariably leap out of the water and grab the fly while it was still a few inches in the air.  We hooked quite a few and eventually tired of "shooting the fish in the barrel."  Other people who were in our group had fished a lake that day and had a hard time believing the story.  

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As the flies neared the water, small rainbows would invariably leap out of the water and grab the fly while it was still a few inches in the air.  We hooked quite a few and eventually tired of "shooting the fish in the barrel."  Other people who were in our group had fished a lake that day and had a hard time believing the story.

This past June, I fished Corbett Lake near Merritt, British Columbia.  The lake is stocked with two strains of rainbows.  One strain eats a lot of snails, and gets quite big, but fights without a lot of jumps.  The other strain, more insectivorous, is the wildest leaper, and strongest strain of trout I have ever caught.  At least a couple of times a day during my four day stay on the lake, I would witness trout, some up to 6-7 pounds leaping as much as THREE FEET out of the water to nail damsel flies.  One of these surface to air missles did its thing about five feet away from me while I was out in my float-tube.  Man do I ever wish I had a picture of that! Troy

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it is not uncommon for trout to jump out of  the water for food.  I once wrapped a fly around a branch and it was swinging about 4" above the water.

Isn’t what Irish style dapping* is all about ? —      ~adj~

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Re air borne takes! There is a well tried and tested technique for boat fishing in lochs/loughs here in Scotland/Ireland called dapping. Basically you use a very long fly rod , maybe 15 feet in length – (cheap telescopic rods are available for those who want to try it out with out a lot of cost) a floss type of line with a monofilament  leader. You use a very bushy dry "dapping" fly, or even a natural- a daddy long legs or even a grass hopper. As you drift downwind, you sit with your back to the wind and hold the rod up high so the fly touches the top of the waves and is blown up in a gust, and settles on the surface in wind lulls. You dont need to cast as such- takes are violent, often missed but on a breezy day can be very productive. I also have a friend whose father was lucky enough to own an island in a beautiful Lough ( Lough Erne in Co.. Fermanagh N Ireland). They had a mobile home on the island – the only structure there – and were out  boat fishing one summer dawn. The surface was like a mirror- but boiling with rising fish as far as the eye could see- but for 20 minutes they could not touch one, then the rise died.  Still they went back for a lovely breakfast on the 3 lb.. brownie who committed suicide – it jumped into the boat and perhaps through frustration they gave it the last rites and enjoyed their meal!  Gillaroo

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Every Fall I am able to watch the AIM-9 Ballet on the Mccloud in Northern California at Ash Camp.         Harv

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That’s a pretty good description of dapping. The only other thing I would add is that it works even better if you use two flies. The flies have to be big (Bivisibles will do – we call them Loch Ordies) and you connect the point fly to the second fly with about 3-4 feet of heavyish tippet. The point fly isn’t dressed and so tends to stay subsurface. The second fly is treated with floatant and tied directly to the end of the leader. The trouble with dapping is that you need a good wind, and with only one fly it tends to spend most of its time about six feet up (where not even a rocket-propelled trout can get it). With an anchor fly, the floating fly still jumps about, but stays near enough the water, and with good luck, it will confine itself to skating on the surface. On a good day, dapping can be terrifically exciting – you have to remember not to strike until the fish has gone down. On a bad day, watching paint dry is more fun. If you ever try it, make sure you have a good steady wind. You can take salmon on the dap, and probably steelhead too, I would think. The real old timers use two live mayfly on the hook, but this needs real expertise. Andrew Associate Editor, Waterlog Magazine http://www.demon.co.uk/medlarpress/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re air borne takes! There is a well tried and tested technique for boat fishing in lochs/loughs here in Scotland/Ireland called dapping. Basically you use a very long fly rod , maybe 15 feet in length – (cheap telescopic rods are available for those who want to try it out with out a lot of cost) a floss type of line with a monofilament  leader. You use a very bushy dry "dapping" fly, or even a natural- a daddy long legs or even a grass hopper. As you drift downwind, you sit with your back to the wind and hold the rod up high so the fly touches the top of the waves and is blown up in a gust, and settles on the surface in wind lulls. You dont need to cast as such- takes are violent, often missed but on a breezy day can be very productive.

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The real old timers use two live mayfly on the hook, but this needs real expertise. Andrew

Of course you can also dap with Daddy-long-legs (Crane flies). I was out dapping an artificial on Loch St. John’s, Caithness, during a good fall of the naturals and getting no offers. I added the natural to my detatched body artificial, and a brownie managed to remove that without me feeling any contact. How do the DO that? Got a few later when the breeze got up a bit tho. Pete Marrow   work:  http://www.gsrg.nmh.ac.uk/   play:  http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

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maybe it fell off?

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I was getting my usual beating by the fussy trout of the East Branch of the Croton (Westchester county NY) during a mixed midge/BWO hatch last week when I noticed the strangest thing: the fish were keying, not on emergers or cripples or even just-hatched duns–the usual suspects–but on low-flying adults that had finally gotten airborne. I watched two good-sized trouts eyeball these dipping, skipping flies and nail them mid-air–anywhere between 1/2 to 2 inches off the surface of the water…and this with plenty of bugs stuck in the film or on their way up. Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before (not counting chasing after Caddis pupae where it’s the momentum of the chase that carries the trout out of the water)? If so, what presentation do you suggest to keep a BWO up in the air in front of the fish’s feeding zone?

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Last summer, I was standing on the shore of a lake north of Sudbury, Ontario watching rising brookies and clouds of tricos backlit by the setting sun.  Occasionally I would see a fair sized brookie jump clear of the water.  I could not understand why on earth a 12-14" brookie would jump for a size 24 trico.  Then I saw the object of their desires.  Huge dragonflies were crusing the trico hatch, picking them off.  As one flew a bit too low, a brookie jumped clear of the water after it, just missing it. While some were content to sip tricos, others were clearly after bigger game. On the Grand River, I had a small brown nearly land in my lap.  I think it was chasing emerging green drakes.  It made one jump for a rising dun about five feet from me, fell back into the water and immediately took off after another right at my feet, jumping directly at me.  I literally looked right down its throat.  I could only imagine it giving the fishy equivalent of "Oh shit!" when it saw me. It certainly didn’t hang around long! Peter

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I was getting my usual beating by the fussy trout of the East Branch of the Croton (Westchester county NY) during a mixed midge/BWO hatch last week when I noticed the strangest thing: the fish were keying, not on emergers or cripples or even just-hatched duns–the usual suspects–but on low-flying adults that had finally gotten airborne…. Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before….

Stephen         Yeah, on  a mid-Wisconsin stream once when the big white flies we get here that I at least imitate with "White Millers" were bouncing around. (I could go look up the scientific name of the bug but am too lazy. They are something like "Euphoren Leukons.") I too found no good way. Tried siliconing up a few to the max and then skating them very fast and if I recall got a few, but I certainly did not feel I had cracked the puzzle. God knows why they were doing it, there were enough emergers on the surface. Maybe they were just like well-fed cats that won’t go near anymore static food but if a tidbit dances by they just can’t resist. Reminded me of one of Robert Traver’s stories in one of his books about two buddies of his who made a haul of trout by one on either bank of a stream and then stringing a line above the water from which they dangled a fly. That sounded like crap to me then, and still does, but, like you, I have now seen that the underlying phenomenon is real. Cheers, TB

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Last September I packed into the John Muir Wilderness.  Two of us fished a small stream (you could step across it in most places) at about the 9,500′ elevation.  We found a few pools about the size of a large bathtub.  The pools were surrounded by brush and we had to lean over and dangle our dry flies over the water.  As the flies neared the water, small rainbows would invariably leap out of the water and grab the fly while it was still a few inches in the air.  We hooked quite a few and eventually tired of "shooting the fish in the barrel."  Other people who were in our group had fished a lake that day and had a hard time believing the story.  I’d put my money on Traver’s story.

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during a mixed midge/BWO hatch last week when I noticed the strangest thing: the fish were keying, not on emergers or cripples or even just-hatched duns–the usual suspects–but on low-flying adults that had finally gotten airborne. Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before (not counting chasing after Caddis pupae where it’s the momentum of the chase that carries the trout out of the water)?

Yes, on a few occasions I have had fish come out of the water to take a fly before the fly had touched down. Usually in high-mountain streams where the seasons are short and feeding is heavy. Besides seeing trout do taildances to feed on caddis hatches, I have seen trout come out of the water to take large adult stoneflies. If so, what presentation do you suggest to keep a BWO up in the air in front of the fish’s feeding zone?

The only times I have had fish come up to a suspended fly (compared to one that was still falling to the surface) were in very windy conditions. Getting the fly to hang over the water in a 30 mph wind was no problem. I just could not get the damn thing *down* to the fish as it danced across the surface of the water chasing my fly! It was fun to watch, though! Aside from suspending fly and line in strong winds (perhaps carry an enormous fan like the kind used in film studios?) the only thing that might work would be to use a *very* stiff, wire-reinforced line so you can lower the fly to the fish when it comes up for it. Not sure how one would spool that, though… Good luck. I’ve been pondering this same dilemma a long time myself, and haven’t really found a solution. In fact, having been met with howling derisive laughter at what was apparently taken as a feeble attempt at lying whenever I mentioned this, I haven’t even admitted to it in a good while. Cheers, Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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Just a note about this group first, enjoy reading it very much, seems very polite which is unusual compared to other groups, enjoyable to say the least. I have seen this before but was lucky to catch the 4lb brook trout that acted like a SAM. I had the boat anchored about 5 feet upstream from a large rock and the wind was blowing about 35 MPH. I was using a 15 foot leader and was letting the wind carry the leader and fly. Downstream from the rock was a glassy area that is common as you realize and the combination of the wind and leader lenght, I was able to hover the fly over and around the glassy area. It only took about 3 or 4 minutes for the fly that was hovering about 5 inches above the water to be spoted by the brookie, next thing I saw was this darn fish leaping from the middle of the glassy area and take the fly, surprised the hell out of me and my fishing buddy and it took awhile to land the fish as we were laughing ourselves silly. Just incase you were wondering where I got the 4lb brookie, 60 miles SE of GooseBay labrador, No-Name lake. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before (not counting chasing after Caddis pupae where it’s the momentum of the chase that carries the trout out of the water)? If so, what presentation do you suggest to keep a BWO up in the air in front of the fish’s feeding zone?

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I told my wife that I was going fishing today and to have that god damned dinner done when I get home. TimW <g <seriously ….big <g <no kidding….it’s a joke, see… <I said laundry, not dinner… <g

So are you bringing a couple home for dinner? -burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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I told my wife that I was going fishing today and to have that god damned dinner done when I get home. TimW <g <seriously ….big <g <no kidding….it’s a joke, see… <I said laundry, not dinner… <g

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I told my wife that I was going fishing today and to have that god damned dinner done when I get home. TimW

Hi Tim Your name is changing a lot and if you treat your wife as mentioned above you could end up ‘minus’ something special. My friend, do what I did, give her the hug she deserves. By the way, my valentine, Gretchen, say hello. Take care and … — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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To all interested;      I posted about a new web page that I had created, on flyfishing, but forgot to give the address.  No one said you had to be bright to work with a computer but it sometimes help.  So here is the address "http://infoave.net/~bptrav1" it might be a liitle easier to find this way.  The page is new so any suggestions will be appreciated.  In the near future I am going to make this sight into an online flyfishing magezine with help,how to and advice for the flyfishing advocates out there.  So please take a look and E-mail me any suggestions or something you would like to post on the page.                               Thanks                               Ben Powell

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