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Thanks Clark, Those are very nice sites and thanks to those who have built them. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you have any interest in bamboo or fiberglass fly rods, you might be interested in my discussion forum on classic fly rods. Boards include collecting, fishing, repair/restoration, rodmakers/restorers, appraisals, and a board to place a free ad for tackle you want, or wish to sell. The bamboo site is located at; http://pub12.ezboard.com/bclarksclassicflyrodforum  and the fiberglass site is located at; http://pub8.ezboard.com/bglassflyrodshopforum Thanks you for your interest.

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If you have any interest in bamboo or fiberglass fly rods, you might be interested in my discussion forum on classic fly rods. Boards include collecting, fishing, repair/restoration, rodmakers/restorers, appraisals, and a board to place a free ad for tackle you want, or wish to sell. The bamboo site is located at; http://pub12.ezboard.com/bclarksclassicflyrodforum  and the fiberglass site is located at; http://pub8.ezboard.com/bglassflyrodshopforum Thanks you for your interest.

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 Why bright orange ?   Hunters ?

Obviously, you don’t read InStyle magazine.  Get with the program. Mu

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Every time I see the title of this thread I shudder, and I think, no . . . there’s no way I can comment at all on someone’s butt leak. I’m still shuddering. Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I fish around 60  days a year, and that will be going up ( assuming enough snow to make water to fish in) to around 100, as I am now semi-retired I am getting Sims, waiting for the G3’s.  I will use them for all wade fishing, where my kickboat isn’t a factor. But the real reason for my post was to see if the "seat crunching, material sliding on itself under pressure" deal of kickboat use ( both kicking and rowing cause this sliding)  is simply beyond "breathable" technology. If breathables can be made to last, they are ideal.  Since most of your body is out of the water, rowing or kicking, breathable is literally "cool" but when you stop to wade fish, leaks are far too cool. FWIW, I just this minute called Simms and the nice lady told me that "guide input" was a a reason the G3’s will have a greatly tougher "rear" and, implied that they have had problems with the membrane breaking down under lots of "kickboat" use ( rowing a drift boat would be the same, btw ) and felt the new design would solve the problem …but "Nothing is infallible." I have good 5mm neoprenes, but roast in them, maybe I’ll try some 3mm, or a second pair of cheaper breathables for when I drift rivers in the watermaster or fish still waters using it Then again, maybe I’ll just use the Simms and end up with a sad tale, or great product testimonial —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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hehe …sorry most of the outdoorsmen I know aren’t that sensitive. I’ll be more careful in the future …. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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  If you have to hike long distances to get to your spots and you wear   your waders, you’ll eventually blow out the seams or the neoprene in the   feet. More and more, I find myself packing my waders and a pair of   lightweight boots until I get there.   That’s where most of my wear comes from. You can go through lots of felts that way. I also wear out the insides of the legs of my waders. Like you pointed out to me, I sound like a kid with new corduroys when I walk in my waders. I think I’ll continue to wear them out this way because I don’t like to fish with a pack on my back and I’m either too absent minded or get too preoccupied when fishing to remember picking up a pack when I put it down. Willi

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FWIW, I just this minute called Simms and the nice lady told me that "guide input" was a a reason the G3’s will have a greatly tougher "rear" and, implied that they have had problems with the membrane breaking down under lots of "kickboat" use ( rowing a drift boat would be the same, btw ) and felt the new design would solve the problem …but "Nothing is infallible."

Blaze orange neoprene butt pads ought to be integral to every pair of waders – that is if you don;t mind looking like an orangutan in heat. Mu

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This one’s easy, never eat olestra while flyfishing. Your pal, — TBone

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Why bright orange ?   Hunters ? Not a bad idea. A camper got shot on the AT here in Georgia the other day. I was surprised to learn that it is even legal to shoot *from* the trail. — Charlie…

Much of the Appalachian Trail is on private property and exists there only by the grace of individual land owners.  Where this is the case, I suspect that by and large it’s use is not governed by any official regulation beyond that which applies to private land use in general.  Where one may or may not discharge a firearm legally probably varies somewhat from state to state, but here in Wisconsin hiking trails on private property are not subject to the same restrictions as say, improved roads, where one may not shoot from the road surface itself or anywhere within a certain distance from it.  I’m guessing that most states are similar in this regard. Wolfgang

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Much of the Appalachian Trail is on private property and exists there only by the grace of individual land owners.  Where this is the case, I suspect that by and large it’s use is not governed by any official regulation beyond that which applies to private land use in general.  Where one may or may not discharge a firearm legally probably varies somewhat from state to state, but here in Wisconsin hiking trails on private property are not subject to the same restrictions as say, improved roads, where one may not shoot from the road surface itself or anywhere within a certain distance from it.  I’m guessing that most states are similar in this regard.

I’m sure you are correct. I said I was surprised, not shocked, simply because I hadn’t thought it through. I often fish close to the trail and had a misguided sense that I was safer there than away from it. It makes perfect sense, though, that hunters would also use the trail for access, etc. — Charlie…

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 I’ve heard gunshots the last two times I was out fishing.  Made me wish that I had put some orange reflective tape  on the back of my wading jacket, as I’ve been meaning  to, for the past year

Same thing happened here last week. I forgot it was the first day of firearms season for deer. Heard three gunshots during while on the stream, and also wished I had a blaze orange hat or jacket. To top it off, this was the first time in about three years that I had fished this particular stretch of water, and I hoped the fishing had improved. It hadn’t. Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same thing happened here last week. I forgot it was the first day of firearms season for deer. Heard three gunshots during while on the stream, and also wished I had a blaze orange hat or jacket. To top it off, this was the first time in about three years that I had fished this particular stretch of water, and I hoped the fishing had improved. It hadn’t. Bob  The stretch of water Scott and I were on, according  to various and sundry Highly Reliable Witnesses we  ran into, was great fishing two weeks before, one week  before, the previous Tuesday, the previous Thursday  and hell, even the day before, and … you know the  punchline.  Remove "XYZ" from email address

But we did hear gunshots!!! — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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I read this and thought "Who nicked the duck?"

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Hi All, Another story: I had a custom is this fall who was going to Montana and wanted new waders for the trip. He said he had bought 3 different under $200 brands of imported waders (which I won’t mention) over the past few years and had problems with them all because he was a very active stream fly fisher. He said some of the ffing guides he has met and some of his friends bragged about the Simms Guide model Gore-Tex waders so he was going to finally move up to them ($330US for 2003). If you actually fish a lot and are young and/or strong,  you will good through most entry level products. Many ffers don’t actually get out much, so the less expensive gear works for them. Actually, you can now buy a "made in USA" breathable wader from Simms that is leak tested at their plant in Montana for $149US. This should out sell most all the sub-$200 imports. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Another story: I had a custom is this fall who was going to Montana and wanted new waders for the trip. He said he had bought 3 different under $200 brands of imported waders (which I won’t mention) over the past few years and had problems with them all because he was a very active stream fly fisher. He said some of the ffing guides he has met and some of his friends bragged about the Simms Guide model Gore-Tex waders so he was going to finally move up to them ($330US for 2003). If you actually fish a lot and are young and/or strong,  you will good through most entry level products. Many ffers don’t actually get out much, so the less expensive gear works for them.

I find that what’s hell on waders isn’t wading — it’s hiking through lots of prickly stuff, like wild roses and blackberries, and falling on your ass (no "butt leaks" yet, however). I look for pinhole leaks about every half dozen times I fish on my homewaters. If you have to hike long distances to get to your spots and you wear your waders, you’ll eventually blow out the seams or the neoprene in the feet. More and more, I find myself packing my waders and a pair of lightweight boots until I get there.

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I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use?

I have a pair of Simms Guide Weights that I’ve used a fair amount in my float tube without any leak problems in the butt area.  However, because I thought that that might be a problem for any breathables, I always wear an old worn out pair of neoprenes from which I’ve cut off most of the legs and left only enough of the top portion for the suspenders (looks like a pair of lederhosen) over the breathables. Bob Weinberger

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I’ve never had a "butt leak" (an unfelicitous phrase, if ever I’ve heard one) in my Simm’s breathable waders, and I do quite a bit of float tubing. But then, I only get a about two years of use from a pair. I think my hard use trashes them before "butt leaks" ever have a chance to develop.

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When you sit are they tight? You might be putting udo stress on the fabric.. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use?  I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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To catch squawfish, fish for stripers on the Sacramento River. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in the northwest they bring $5 @ over 12". anyone know where i can find information on how to catch "em?

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in the northwest they bring $5 @ over 12". anyone know where i can find information on how to catch "em?

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It’s pretty easy to catch them. Just fish like you would for Trout. They eat about the same things. I actually enjoy catching them when I can’t catch anything else  2 years ago I was fishing Mayfield Lake in Washington and the Small Mouth fishing was a bit slow so we headed over to a shallow bay and started fishing the shoreline with some Beadhead Hairs ears. As we slowly stipped the fly away from the shore they would nail it as it dropped off the edge. My friend and I must have caught a couple hundred in a few hours! It was a lot of fun and saved what up to that point had been a really slow day of fishing. Gary —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in the northwest they bring $5 @ over 12". anyone know where i can find information on how to catch "em?

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To catch squawfish, fish for stripers on the Sacramento River. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org)

To Mr. Gillespie’s response: ROFLMAO!!! To add to what Mr. Gillespie has already pointed out, one can catch sqauwfish simply by fishing for ANYTHING in California’s Russian River. Fred, these fish aren’t too picky. They take roe intended for salmon and steelhead; streamer flies meant for smallmouth bass (they also take dry flies & popper flies). Crawlers work as well as livers. I’ve seen some in the 6 pound range caught in the Russian on livers intended for catfish. Bryan

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The major problem with Squawfish fishing and reduction is that when you hook one, it releases chemicals that warn the others in the school of danger.  If you find a school in the river, lots of schools in the Eel above Lake Pillsbury, you will catch maybe 2 and then nothing will bite for a while. By The Way Dale, I think the politically correct name is now Sacramento Perch Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To catch squawfish, fish for stripers on the Sacramento River. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org) To Mr. Gillespie’s response: ROFLMAO!!! To add to what Mr. Gillespie has already pointed out, one can catch sqauwfish simply by fishing for ANYTHING in California’s Russian River. Fred, these fish aren’t too picky. They take roe intended for salmon and steelhead; streamer flies meant for smallmouth bass (they also take dry flies & popper flies). Crawlers work as well as livers. I’ve seen some in the 6 pound range caught in the Russian on livers intended for catfish. Bryan

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Good idea. I have written a couple of fishing reports where I mentioned catching squawfish. I think Sacrament Perch is an improvement. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org)

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No, it’s Sacramento Perch, unless you are Catholic and catch it Sunday while playing hooky from church. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good idea. I have written a couple of fishing reports where I mentioned catching squawfish. I think Sacrament Perch is an improvement. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org) By The Way Dale, I think the politically correct name is now Sacramento Perch Bill

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A Freudian slip. One of my Sacraments is fishing. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, it’s Sacramento Perch, unless you are Catholic and catch it Sunday while playing hooky from church. Bill Good idea. I have written a couple of fishing reports where I mentioned catching squawfish. I think Sacrament Perch is an improvement. — Dale Gillespie Boating and fishing the Californiadelta(.org) By The Way Dale, I think the politically correct name is now Sacramento Perch Bill

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It’s pretty easy to catch them. Just fish like you would for Trout. They eat about the same things. I actually enjoy catching them when I can’t catch anything else  2 years ago I was fishing Mayfield Lake in Washington and the Small Mouth fishing was a bit slow so we headed over to a shallow bay and started fishing the shoreline with some Beadhead Hairs ears. As we slowly stipped the fly away from the shore they would nail it as it dropped off the edge. My friend and I must have caught a couple hundred in a few hours! It was a lot of fun and saved what up to that point had been a really slow day of fishing. Gary

As the first poster mentioned, there is a bounty on squawfish in Washington since they eat baby salmon and roe. Not sure if it’s for all waters though, could be just the Snake and Columbia. I’ve heard of some people who make themselves some good money off squawfish bounties, though. Heck, if I lived near enough to either of those rivers, I’d be out all the time. Fishing for money with squawfish bounties is like having your cake and eating it too, since you’re being paid for fishing and helping salmon at the same time Mega Man fans visit alt.games.megaman Quint’s page of Rockman manga scans: http://www.crosswinds.net/~sakugarne

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I’m curious: is this bounty actually justified, or is it like the bounty on Dolly Varden and (I think?) Bull Trout many years ago which decimated those fish. Again, just curious. Alex – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s pretty easy to catch them. Just fish like you would for Trout. They eat about the same things. I actually enjoy catching them when I can’t catch anything else  2 years ago I was fishing Mayfield Lake in Washington and the Small Mouth fishing was a bit slow so we headed over to a shallow bay and started fishing the shoreline with some Beadhead Hairs ears. As we slowly stipped the fly away from the shore they would nail it as it dropped off the edge. My friend and I must have caught a couple hundred in a few hours! It was a lot of fun and saved what up to that point had been a really slow day of fishing. Gary As the first poster mentioned, there is a bounty on squawfish in Washington since they eat baby salmon and roe. Not sure if it’s for all waters though, could be just the Snake and Columbia. I’ve heard of some people who make themselves some good money off squawfish bounties, though. Heck, if I lived near enough to either of those rivers, I’d be out all the time. Fishing for money with squawfish bounties is like having your cake and eating it too, since you’re being paid for fishing and helping salmon at the same time Mega Man fans visit alt.games.megaman Quint’s page of Rockman manga scans: http://www.crosswinds.net/~sakugarne

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in the northwest they bring $5 @ over 12". anyone know where i can find information on how to catch "em?

I believe that both Washington and Oregon pay a bounty for Squaws fish caught on certain waters.  For the last few years in the state of Oregon  there has been classes on how to catch them and tournements.   I’ve heard of some fishermen making a good summer wage off of harvesting Squaws.  Check with the fish and game or the BPA, i’m sure they can help you out. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Snip, Snip! As the first poster mentioned, there is a bounty on squawfish in Washington since they eat baby salmon and roe. Not sure if it’s for all waters though, could be just the Snake and Columbia.

Apparently, there is talk of a squawfish derby for the Eel River in California. See http://www.fishsniffer.com for details. On the homepage, scroll down to the section titled "ARTICLES" and click on the "Pike Minnow Derby" for more info. Maybe derbies for the Russian and Navarro Rivers will arise in the near future Bryan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, <snip Hello Warren.  I’m a relative newcomer to ROFF myself, having first set foot here about three months ago.  Since then I have been badly beaten up only once, though every once in a while I still get an unexpected slap in the back of the head.  I consider this a small price to pay for the education and entertainment I get here. Welcome aboard.

Nonsense !!! You have been here forever, just like the meniscus ))) ( Slap, Slap ! ) Is it really only three months ?  You seem like one of the old crowd somehow, you fit in so well. TL MC

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Is it really only three months ?

Um…not sure Mike.  I was just guessing….something I would never do in a more serious thread where, as you well know, I always come armed with TRUTH and LIGHT!

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Um…not sure Mike.  I was just guessing….something I would never do in a more serious thread where, as you well know, I always come armed with TRUTH and LIGHT!

Don’t you mean VERACITY and ILLUMINATION ? TL MC

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Don’t you mean VERACITY and ILLUMINATION ?

As always Mike, I am not sure what I mean.  I eagerly await ROFFian consensus on just what it is I am trying to say.  Imagine; just three (?) months ago I thought I knew my own mind!    :)

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This old Texan still thinks God made mountains for Texans to go to in August.

Thank God for mountains and Texans!!!! Everything is Peachy Keene (hehehe) got lots of family in Keene, Ft Worth, ect.  Lived there a tad myself. You coming up this way this August perchance? Warren

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Warren asked: You coming up this way this August perchance?

Sorry Warren, but I leave Monday to drive to Gatlinburg for the FFF Conclave.The first day’s drive always kicks my ass…dosen’t matter whether it is Dallas to Denver or the 670 miles from Dallas to Nashville. I plan to visit Montana again next summer. Big Dale

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Hello All,

<snip Hello Warren.  I’m a relative newcomer to ROFF myself, having first set foot here about three months ago.  Since then I have been badly beaten up only once, though every once in a while I still get an unexpected slap in the back of the head.  I consider this a small price to pay for the education and entertainment I get here. Welcome aboard.

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ROTFLMAO Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good God! Massachusetts is the center of the roffian universe. SNIP … the elite circles of this group, most of whom live south, west, and east of massachussets.

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…AND THE HOME…..OF THE……DAVE’S! /daytripper (PLAY BALL!! ;^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Good God! Massachusetts is the center of the roffian universe.

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the last couple of months.  I finally decided to get off my duff and come out of the shadows and introduce myself.

Welcome to the group Warren,I hope you enjoy it as much as most of us do.I have visited the Livingston area several times and have enjoyed it very much. This old Texan still thinks God made mountains for Texans to go to in August. I try to get out that way every couple of years. Big Dale

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I’m sorta a newbie also Warren, and I extend you a welcome as well. Look forward to reading your posts here, and the way things look in here, we both have alot of smart humor, exciting commentary, up to the minute play-by-play of current fly fishing topics, candid view points and some real good laughs ahead of us!….What more could ya want??!! Jeff Boks Fly Fishing~~~~~Just Do It

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Good God! Massachusetts is the center of the roffian universe.

SNIP … the elite circles of this group, most of whom live south, west, and east of massachussets. wayno Warren

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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Welcome to the extended family that is ROFF, Warren! One thing, though: mind if we call you Wayne? It’ll be easier to remember your name that way ;^) Cheers! /daytripper

        now there’s a one liner that reaches right up to the level of le duc himself! wayno

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[very pleasant intro snipped] Welcome to the extended family that is ROFF, Warren! As you’ve been lurking for a couple of months, you’re well aware that we put the "fun" in "disfunctional" – but there’s always room for another wacko member of the tribe. One thing, though: mind if we call you Wayne? It’ll be easier to remember your name that way ;^) Cheers! /daytripper

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[snip] this group, most of whom live south, west, and east of massachussets. wayno "EAST" of Mass ???

    thought you’d never ask; how about wales, the brits, the netherlands, scandanavia; and, of course, mike connor in germany. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hello All, My name is Warren Findley and I have been lurking this NG for the last couple of months.  I finally decided to get off my duff and come out of the shadows and introduce myself.  Actually, I have been holding back to responding to some the posts because I didn’t want to seem like some FNG (freaking new guy) coming in and trying to raise a ruckuss.

Welcome to Freak-R-Us. Mu Young Lee             Ann Arbor, MI  USA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] this group, most of whom live south, west, and east of massachussets. wayno "EAST" of Mass ???     thought you’d never ask; how about wales, the brits, the netherlands, scandanavia; and, of course, mike connor in germany. wayno

Okay, I fell for that one…

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No actually almost all live West of Seattle. Welcome aboard. Dave

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 My wife has chewed my ass several times for "paying more attention to the computer" than her.

I think both our wives are related. Right now my wife is kicking me off the computer, mumbling something about moving in to days and I haven’t started packing yet. WOMEN! since my daughter was born 6 weeks ago it hasn’t been nearly enough.

Congratulations! We should all chip in and buy her a Playskool tying vise. I am looking forward to becoming a participating member of this NG and hopefully pick up some more good tips and info from you all

We’re looking forward to reading your post. What’s good about ROFF is that although it’s easy to put your foot in your mouth (mine is permanently coated in sugar for flavor) the people here forgive and forget very soon after. I gotta go now, the wife’s at it again! Welcome to the fly paper. Chris Fleitman Fisherman by nature-goofball by society.

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Hello All, My name is Warren Findley (good intro snipped)

Welcome to ROFF Warren. Check out:  http://www.roff.org for comings and goings of claves, pics, etc. Congrats on your’n youngin’….what…should be fly casting in another 18 months? Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Hello All, My name is Warren Findley and I have been lurking this NG for the last couple of months.  I finally decided to get off my duff and come out of the shadows and introduce myself.

        good to have you, warren.  your tasteful and polite introduction bodes well for your inclusion in the elite circles of this group, most of whom live south, west, and east of massachussets. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Warren

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[snip] this group, most of whom live south, west, and east of massachussets. wayno

"EAST" of Mass ???

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Always glad to welcome freaking new guys, to talk on anything from booze to ginking dry flies Welcome Warren, and I hope you get your wish that reading some of this will help you catch more fish. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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(snip of good stuff) <<I am looking forward to becoming a participating member of this NG and hopefully pick up some more good tips and info from you all. And I, for one, am looking forward to hearing from you.  Welcome aboard, Warren.  You live in some beautiful country, so I am sure your tales will be well read.   Dave LaCourse

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Hello All, My name is Warren Findley and I have been lurking this NG for the last couple of months.  I finally decided to get off my duff and come out of the shadows and introduce myself.  Actually, I have been holding back to responding to some the posts because I didn’t want to seem like some FNG (freaking new guy) coming in and trying to raise a ruckuss. Over the last few months I have had a good look at what goes on around here and like what I see for the most part (except for the AR lunacy that sometimes runs rampant, ect).  The part I have enjoyed the most is how well you people interact, debate, and rag on one another.  It is truly interesting to keep up with.  My wife has chewed my ass several times for "paying more attention to the computer" than her.  Of course she uses that line when I go fishing too. I am currently living in Livingston, MT and try to fish as much as I can. However, since my daughter was born 6 weeks ago it hasn’t been nearly enough. I am still surving though.  I actually even got to go today (took the wife and baby so she couldn’t refuse).  I have been fly fishing since about the last ten years, but really started hard core the last two years.  I fish all year long and actually prefer winter because there aren’t as many people crowding the waters (not that I don’t enjoy company mind you, just like a little time to mull things over without any interuptions as I fish). I am also a novice fly tyer, hunter (yes, I eat what I kill) and enjoy working my in-laws horses as often as possible.  Actually broke my thumb in two places 3 months ago and had 4 pins put in, but I didn’t let it stop me from floating the Big Horn as the pictures and my wife will attest (she still gets mad at me for leaving for the weekend).  As you can guess, my wife has been jealous since the little one was born because she fishes too and hasn’t been able to go out since I don’t have the necessary equipment to keep the baby from starving. I am looking forward to becoming a participating member of this NG and hopefully pick up some more good tips and info from you all. Warren

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Mr. G. has taken a trip to California and then to Florida shortly after that.  The Gink Staff will be glad to answer any questions posted to anyone needing advice or help on an upcoming trip. Gink Fly Fishing Staff "Gink Keeps It Up!"

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Mr. G. has taken a trip to California and then to Florida shortly after that.  The Gink Staff will be glad to answer any questions posted to anyone needing advice or help on an upcoming trip. "Gink Keeps It Up!"

Not according to the "cheap" whores in California and Florida..;)

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Mr. G. has taken a trip to California and then to Florida shortly after that.  The Gink Staff will be glad to answer any questions posted to anyone needing advice or help on an upcoming trip. "Gink Keeps It Up!" Not according to the "cheap" whores in California and Florida..;)

I simply can’t read beyond "The Gink Staff" without bustin’ a button. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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The URL you seek is: http://www.seakayaker.com/gaddis/gadabout.htm

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The URL you seek is: http://www.seakayaker.com/gaddis/gadabout.htm

Hi Dave I bookmarked the site. Thanks for taking the time to post the information. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’ve been away a week fishing the banks of Argentina for trout. What a blast. My friend told me someone posted info about a Gadabout Gaddis homepage, a hero to me in my childhood. Can anyone post the url here! Much Appreciated Vince

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My friend told me someone posted info about a Gadabout Gaddis homepage, a hero to me in my childhood.

 Truly fun to watch, but you know…we never really got a look at the fly!….any guesses as to what he had on..?…worms…nightcrawlers.., cheese!….;-) Steve D.

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Does any one have a pattern for tying the viva fly an gif or jpg would also be nice thanks in advance Julian

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Does any one have a pattern for tying the viva fly an gif or jpg would also be nice thanks in advance Julian

hi julian hook: s/s 10 body: black chenille,ribbed silver tail: flou green floss wing: black marabou tight lines keith —  Your worst day fishing beats your best day at work

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I’m looking at Jet Boats for Klamath River. How is important is a center console and how big a boat and how much HP needed for two adult fisherman, opinions appreciated?

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I’m looking at jet boats for the Klamath river, CA. How important is a center console and what do you think is an adequate msize boat & motor for tow adults? All, opinions appreciated.

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Whew!…I allways get shakey when I see a post for jet boats!….they are a major nusiance on some rivers here in Montana…for that matter any motorized boat is a nusiance on a river(of wading size)….we had a clown in a boat down on the lower clark fork one summer…he would cruise at nearly full trottle up and down the river all day long…if you were wading and didn’t get out of the water quickly his wake would come up over your wader tops…it would put rising fish down for 15-20 minutes…and just when they got back on the fin, he’d come zooming back down the river…a lot of flyfisherman were talking about this guy that summer and threatening to strangle him!

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I don’t know about MT laws, but in WA this will get the guy a big fine. A person in waders is considered a SWIMER, and requires boats to maintain a 100 yard distance or be below 5 MPH.  Not sure on the exact distance in all cases, but the lakes around here enforce 100 yds. Also, any boat is ALWAYS responsible for its wake.  Check laws, and if you can’t get a local law officer out, get a few buddies togeather, get the guys boat number and personal ID.  If he blows you off at this point he will be in bigger trouble.  File a complaint at the local agency.  May require a day in court, but I bet he will learn the lesson very quickly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Whew!…I allways get shakey when I see a post for jet boats!….they are a major nusiance on some rivers here in Montana…for that matter any motorized boat is a nusiance on a river(of wading size)….we had a clown in a boat down on the lower clark fork one summer…he would cruise at nearly full trottle up and down the river all day long…if you were wading and didn’t get out of the water quickly his wake would come up over your wader tops…it would put rising fish down for 15-20 minutes…and just when they got back on the fin, he’d come zooming back down the river…a lot of flyfisherman were talking about this guy that summer and threatening to strangle him!

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Hey, Mellow out!!    Jet boats are like mt bikes, 200 watt stereos and fly fishing "experts". A little abuse and social ineptitude can go a long ways. Several days ago I was on the Yuba when a couple of kids came fishing through with spinning gear. A flyfishing expert (in his own mind) yelled to me, "some day these guys will earn how to REALLY fish". I’m sure it just made their day.    I’ve got a 16′ aluminum jon style river boat with a 40hp outboard jet on it. I’ve had (and still have) whalers, drift boats, canoes, float tubes, kayaks, ad nauseum. . . and nothing has come close in terms of flyfishing versatility to this little jet job.  It’s quite, leaves a flat wake, floats on dew, and can fish me anywhere in the Sacramento Delta, the San Francisco Bay or on any boatable lake or river on the West coast. Just because it can go 35mph doesn’t mean it has too. It has a trolling motor and oar locks and I put just about as many miles on the thing with the motor out of the water as I do with it in.    As far as the answer to the original question, I don’t know . . . never been on that river in a jet. As far as all of the responses to the guy’s query. . . get a life.    Tight lines, Ralph —

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The absolute best jet boat on a wadeable stream is aluminum, has a large hole in the hull slightly aft of the bow, a dead engine and is on a trailer heading for somewhere else.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Get a life..exactly…and keep motor boats off Montana ’s rivers!

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:    I’ve got a 16′ aluminum jon style river boat with a 40hp outboard jet : on it. I’ve had (and still have) whalers, drift boats, canoes, float : tubes, kayaks, ad nauseum. . . and nothing has come close in terms of : flyfishing versatility to this little jet job.   I too, like the idea of jetting to a great spot to fish, but what do you think the boat does to the fish you pass over?  I’ll bet they hide for hours afterward.  This can happen on the Salmon in Idaho.  Knee deep in beautiful water and then a jet boat goes through.  Might as well hang it up, because the fish go down… It probably soesn’t matter as much on the bigger rivers.  But I don’t know… the Salmon collects from one of the largest drainages in America. I think I prefer to go upstream and pontoon boat down.  I’ll buy my first boat this year.  It seems this approach would disturb the fish much less.  Opinions? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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About 6 mos ago I hit a reference on the net to a study that the state of Alaska had initiated.  Basically, they were going to look at the effects of jet boat traffic on spawning chinook.  The study was going to focus on small (undefined) waters.  The concern was that the heavy traffic in some areas was adversley impacting the fish.  Unfortunately, I no longer have the reference to the site or the study.  Might check on Alaska DFG site. Power boating is apparently an issue in New Zealand (Simon Lusk, chip in here please).  As part of the scenic river plan for the Deschutes River, a literature search was done about 3 years ago and at that time, the only studies on impacts of jet boats on fish, riparian habitat, bank degradation etc. that were found had been done in NZ.  It does appear that in some instances there can be an impact on sediment displacement/load in shoreside areas and bank erosion from wave wash. In addition to habitat issues, there is a growing concern about conflict between user groups as use becomes more intensive, particularly on smaller or more confined waters such as most of the water we fish for trout.  Urban planners dealt with a similiar problem a long time ago…There are not many cities in this country that DON’T have one-way streets…. On big water such as the Snake, other considerations are raised…is "wild and scenic" compatible with 300hp 40mph, ??decible power boat traffic?  The Forest Service and the non-powerboating public thinks not.  See new boat traffic regs on Snake.  The Deschutes River (lower river) has power boat free weeks during the season and there is a lot of pressure to remove them entirely.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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What follows is an e-mail response to a post on Jet Boats.  "Bogus"=counterfeit, fake.  Sorry, it was a real post, I realy did post it, you realy did read it.  I am still looking to see exactly where my occupation is listed however.  Not too long ago I heard a fairly well respected guide and author tell a jet boat owner that was a bit unhappy about regulations on powerboats that he should consider selling his mega foot mega horspower jet boat for mega dollars and investing the proceeds in an education…..then maybe he wouldn’t feel compelled to turn every body of running water into a drag strip. I would appreciate any references to studies, bogus or otherwise, that indicate that the use of jet boats in confined waters is beneficial to fish or habitat. The only bogus study involving jet boats that I am aware of also involved bass boats.  A study of boat owning penile transplant candidates indicated that over 65% of them owned either jet sleds or bass boats.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane hi.com Your post concerning JET Boat studies & spawning is BOGUS.Do your research before making such BS Claims. Perhaps if you spent some time at a job that afforded your more economic return(and less time clogging the net with this bulll shit) you might some get to the best fishing in a jet Boat. "When the Trout are lost" i’ts your fault for allowing it to happen !

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in software for recording fishing trips, i.e. location, date, conditions, success, hardware used, etc.   I you have a source of this type of software, I would appreciate a posting with a phone number to call.
Hi Mark: Please send me some more information on what you need. Is it logs people keep or more detailed information? We can put this out on my radio show The Fishin’ Zone which broadcasts every Saturday morning 6-7am. e.s.t. on Talk America. It goes to over 200 cities off the bird. You  can call us at 1-800-298-8255 any time during the show.. If I know your city we may have a station close by. The show is sponsored by the Fisheries Defense Fund a non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation of our fishery resources through the educational,legal and political process. Tight Lines FDF Stephen Sloan, Chairman
The following are all reviewed in "FLY FISHERMAN" May 1994, in On The Bookshlef section.
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