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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.       I need to know about repair histories, and general levels of satisfaction from boaters and not dealers and sellers that might be biased. I’m in NYC and plan to use my 17 foot for inside fishing and waterskiing so I’m looking for a 90 hp or larger (i guess). Any useful feedback? –Eugene

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     I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.       I need to know about repair histories, and general levels of satisfaction from boaters and not dealers and sellers that might be biased. I’m in NYC and plan to use my 17 foot for inside fishing and waterskiing so I’m looking for a 90 hp or larger (i guess). Any useful feedback? –Eugene

Before you discount "carburated" engines, I have 2 old Johnsons and 3 old Evinrudes that run like Rolex watches.  The new engines have their strong points, but I’ll take my old geezers.  I’ve never had to paddle home. noah

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     I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.

Unless you’re an outboard mechanic trying to make a living, what’s so bad about carbs?  A little less fuel and power efficient, a LOT more reliable. Dan — Mustangs don’t count as sports cars. They’re pacifiers for NASCAR driver wannabes who couldn’t afford anything reasonable.                 — Ryan Micallef

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Yamaha 115hp FI  4 stroke. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      I’m loking to purchase a new or used outboard but need opinions on them. My cheap ass partner does not want to spring for the new 4 stroke models so were considering the alternatives. I understand that we should probably stay away from carbureators (Johnson) and that honda/merc/yamaha and others are all decent.       I need to know about repair histories, and general levels of satisfaction from boaters and not dealers and sellers that might be biased. I’m in NYC and plan to use my 17 foot for inside fishing and waterskiing so I’m looking for a 90 hp or larger (i guess). Any useful feedback? –Eugene

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Good Point Randy!!..I’ve been wondering how to explain it away when I get questioned as to the strange noises in the background.  I worry a bit more about the chattering Geese that usually accompany fishing in PA this time of year, or even worse the occasional Pheasant… That being said, I really don’t approve of taking my cell to the stream as it defeats the purpose I usually go out for, to get away from it.  But with a 4 month old, and a 3 year old,  any time that can be stolen away, will be, at any cost, The Finn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it true that the sound of a river  in the background over a cell phone is much like the air flow at highway speeds with the window down for circulation?  Just planning ahead.

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Well Mike, I think he was getting ready to tell his boss that he’s "stuck in traffic."  "Sure boss!  Just listen, can’t you hear them guys going by in the opposite direction?  I could be here all day!" — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it true that the sound of a river  in the background over a cell phone is much like the air flow at highway speeds with the window down for circulation?  Just planning ahead.

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Is it true that the sound of a river  in the background over a cell phone is much like the air flow at highway speeds with the window down for circulation?  Just planning ahead. — rakane at gte dot net (remove NOSPAM)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  when the cell phone rang….when I said sneaking out, I meant I was still on the clock so I kept the phone on to cover myself.  It was the wife,  "pick up some milk and bread on the way home"!!

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Snuck out to the Perkiomen on Friday, after work,  on one of those Spring days that Winter borrowed for us to enjoy.  It was unseasonably warm, approaching 65-70, so the fish were already taking advantage of some early Black Stoneflies, and midges, as I arrived. There was already someone in the honey hole, so I walked downstream and took the next decent stretch.  The wind was up a bit, so I figured this would work in my favor, since the water was low and clear.   The reel of choice was the back-up, as the Lamson is in the midst of a tune-up.  Being hurried, and as a result, unprepared,  I hadn’t checked my leader, but got lucky with a decent 9 foot tapered down to what looked like 4x or 5x. Even with the wind kicking up, there were a few sporadic risers out in front of me, so I knew I had to try a something on top.  I decided to tie on a dropper and go with a black caddis on top, trailed by a beadhead green caddis larvae, what a mistake that was.  The wind was too much to handle and it only took a few casts to have both ends wound around each other.  After unraveling the two sections, I lazily kept fishing the same set-up and in two more casts I was in the bush on the bank behind me.  Getting a little frustrated with conditions, and my "luck", I attempted to pull the line out of the bush first, and it came right out!!  minus the beadhead larvae. Having enough with the dropper, I did some quick leader repair, going with a midge nymph.  As I looked up, not only had the wind decided to just quit, but the trout took that as their queue to go hog wild on the surface, figures, since I whacked the dropper, and tied on the nymph. Not wanting to waste my effort,  I made several casts, getting use to the drift with the new rig, adjusting the weight with a bb or two.  Watching the water, estimating where my fly was drifting, I saw a quick, wavy, flash, and set the hook!!  missed him. ….. Coming from a place in my head, where I was beginning to wonder if I should call it a day, to a level of confidence that couldn’t be surpassed,  I took a step upstream and cast into some fresh water.  As I think about it now,  I had lacked any form of focus up to this point, and those subtle taps that I had written off as bottom, now turned into fish, being sure to set the hook on every one of them.  This is a subject that I have struggled with in this water, as the pool  has an uneven bottom, that combined with the slow, clear, water,  I usually am a bit forgiving because I don’t want to spook the fish in the pool. That first cast was perfect, line went out straight, and true, into water that hadn’t been disturbed with previous drifts.  No mending, or lifting was needed and the fly dropped down into the dim bottom of the slot.  Another flash….lift…set the hook…get the line on the reel…..got’em.  A suitable fight for this time of year, although those Perkiomen Rainbows don’t usually disappoint.  It was around 16 inches, a bit above average for the Perkie, and just fine with me. Checked the line, took another step upstream,  and made another great cast (it’s amazing what adrenaline will do for your casting), flash….set-the hook…got’em.  this one just about the same size, but a little skinny.  Was about to make another cast, when the cell phone rang….when I said sneaking out, I meant I was still on the clock so I kept the phone on to cover myself.  It was the wife,  "pick up some milk and bread on the way home"!! Well, having stolen the time on the stream, I knew it was time to call it a day, I backed out of the hole, and walked away.  I did look back at that hole after a few steps and sure enough they were back on the surface.  Made a few casts upstream on the way back to the truck, without any takers. I passed another angler and he hadn’t any luck, also using a midge nymph, so I took my last boost of confidence from that and bolted home,  enjoying the end of that day, that Winter had borrowed just for me. The Finn

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Somehow I missed that.  Had I seen it, I probably would have suggested castrating the bastard so as to prevent reproduction.  

I saw it as a naive and bumbling attempt at a better ‘qualified’ voter – similar to the junk most people heard/said as college freshmen – not as a sinister plot. FWIW — Charlie…

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Technically, I did say in a sense that

ignorant people should be denied a vote.<   So, you want to disenfranchise yourself?   You don’t need to disallow *all* ignorant people , just ’cause you don’t want to.   Harry who likes ending sentences with prepositions, even if it *does* disenfranchise him.

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I saw it as a naive and bumbling attempt at a better ‘qualified’ voter – similar to the junk most people heard/said as college freshmen – not as a sinister plot. FWIW

Thank you.  If certain people had half the intelligence they flatter themselves with, they’d understand that too. Regards, Jeff

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Virtually every English speaking person who knows what this word means associates it specifically with Hitler’s Weltenschauung,

I’m perfectly willing to believe that Wolfgang tried to tar you as Nazi, Jeff, but Weltanschauung is actually an innocuous German word that isn’t particularly associated with Hilter. I’d hate to see it become part of the eternally forbidden PC lexicon. Now get of Wolfgang’s back. He needs some Lebensraum. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I saw it as a naive and bumbling attempt

at a better ‘qualified’ voter – similar to the junk most people

heard/said as college freshmen – not as a sinister plot. FWIW

Thank you.  If certain people had half the intelligence they flatter themselves with, they’d understand that too.   Not a "sinister plot" just extraordinarily stupid thinking.  Well, OK, Jeff, apology accepted.

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Technically, I did say in a sense that ignorant people should be denied a vote.<   So, you want to disenfranchise yourself?   You don’t need to disallow *all* ignorant people , just ’cause you don’t want to.  

I realize this is just flamebait, but god help me I can’t help myself. It’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I don’t know who the candidates are, isn’t it?  I personally don’t vote straight ticket, so I don’t for offices for which I don’t know the candidates.  Having said that, I have voted for someone in the past without knowing who their opponent was, and I think it was wrong of me.  So if you must know, I disenfranchise myself sometimes now if I’m ignorant, yes. Regards, Jeff

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So Harry, you wanna suck my dick, eh?<

You should take your own advice.   I wanna cut it off.   Harry who thinks Forty’s problem is that he’s too polite

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My recent imbroglio with Jeff Connelly should serve as an example of what I am getting at.  Jeff’s suggestion that ignorant people by denied the right to vote (and that is EXACTLY what it was despite any later disclaimer) is as despicable as it is dangerous.

No freaking way. Don’t try to lead us to believe that the reason you responded to Jeff the way you did is somehow for the good of society or that you’re worried that he’s dangerous. While I don’t agree with Jeff’s brainstorming on the issue of voting requirements, we *already have* voting requirements (ie. you must register and you must be of a certain age) that serve as anti-ignorance measures. So you can’t possibly have gotten your panties in such a wad solely from what Jeff was postulating. If you want to flame the guy, harrass the guy, offend the guy, I say have at it. It’s your despicable right and if Jeff cannot ignore it then it becomes his problem as well. But if you continue to maintain that your reasons for flaming Jeff the way you did are purely in defense of ingorant voting then you’re being intellectually dishonest and you *know* it. Just admit that your motivation for responding to him is that his ROFF personality just plain bugs the crap out of you and leave it at that. Jeff’s ruminations on this forum might have been naive, but you are frankly ever more so naive if you think they were more than that. Finally, might I suggest that if you feel that another individual on this forum shows a suprising level of ignorance, the best response is to teach, counsel and advise NOT offend, cajole, or defame. Else you will not solve the problem. –Steve

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I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here.< Can’t speak for WS but it sure ain’t part of mine.  More like insult and injury.

You don’t see any irony in that, Harry? –Steve

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Finally, might I suggest that if you feel that another individual on this forum shows a suprising level of ignorance, the best response is to teach, counsel and advise NOT offend, cajole, or defame. Else you will not solve the problem. I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here. — Charlie…

I believe you’re right again, Charlie. But if someone sees what he perceives to be racism or ignorance and he doesn’t try to solve the problem (and no offense KenF and Wolfgang but I submit that very few people around here think you’re part of the solution) then he is arguably part of the problem. IMO, FWIW, EOT. –Steve

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I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here.<

Can’t speak for WS but it sure ain’t part of mine.  More like insult and injury.

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Finally, might I suggest that if you feel that another individual on this forum shows a suprising level of ignorance, the best response is to teach, counsel and advise NOT offend, cajole, or defame. Else you will not solve the problem.

I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here. — Charlie…

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Most of the people in this group seemed

willing enough to simply ignore this proposition, presumably for a variety of reasons.< Somehow I missed that.  Had I seen it, I probably would have suggested castrating the bastard so as to prevent reproduction.   Harry who never liked fascists of any stripe

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My recent imbroglio with Jeff Connelly should serve as an example of what I am getting at.  Jeff’s suggestion that ignorant people by denied the right to vote (and that is EXACTLY what it was despite any later disclaimer) is as despicable as it is dangerous.

There was no disclaimer of *that*.  If that is what you had said the very first time, everything would be fine.  Technically, I did say in a sense that ignorant people should be denied a vote.  Even so, that is clearly not in the spirit of what I said though.  I said people should know who they’re voting for and should be aware of the options from which they’re choosing.  It has nothing to do with ignorance in general, as you purposely try to make it sound.  This is the gist of my idea, and any other minor comments (such as people need to know the issues) were said with little seriousness, such as when a number of people were making comments like "I wish stupid people wouldn’t vote!". You said I wanted to take away the right of people to vote for *who* they wanted.  A lie.  You said I wanted to take away the right of people to vote for whatever *reasons* they wanted.  A lie.  You said I was a Nazi.  A lie.  You used innuendo by using the word Weltanschauung.  Virtually every English speaking person who knows what this word means associates it specifically with Hitler’s Weltenschauung, and that Hitler’s Weltanschauung includes anti-Semitism, facts that you are very well aware of.  You used innuendo by using the term Zyklon B and said I wanted to use it "until it was all gone." Everyone knows that a reference to Zyklon B means killing Jews and others in Nazi death camps, and invokes the holocaust.  Then you said "Innuendo? I was being blunt" (close if not exact quote), implying that you did indeed mean I was anti-Semitic and/or that I proposed the mass killing of groups of people. Then you said "Anti-Semitic?  Why don’t you READ?"  What you did is careless and irresponsible in the extreme (if not illegal), dishonest, and mean (not to mention insensitive and in extremely poor taste).  If what I wrote is despicable, what you wrote is indescribable. Most of the people in this group seemed willing enough to simply ignore this proposition, presumably for a variety of reasons.  Indifference is one thing which comes readily to mind.  Some may agree with him.  I suspect, though, that a lot of people, whatever their feelings on the matter he proposed, would simply rather avoid any further off topic unpleasantness on a news group they feel should be dedicated solely to fly fishing.

Actually the topic ended fine when I said it was an unpractical idea that wouldn’t work and wouldn’t be accepted anyway, and I was just dreaming.  The final word on the subject was "Dream on", and the thread was over. Anyway, based on what you wrote here, now you should understand why a lot of people other than me put up with you being such an asshole. Regards, Jeff

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It’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume

that I don’t know who the candidates are, isn’t it?  I personally don’t vote straight ticket….< So it’s them ignorant straight ticket voters that you want to deny, eh?  You should have quit while you were ahead, Jeffie. Every time you open your mouth, you stick your dick in it.

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It’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I don’t know who the candidates are, isn’t it?  I personally don’t vote straight ticket….< So it’s them ignorant straight ticket voters that you want to deny, eh?  You should have quit while you were ahead, Jeffie. Every time you open your mouth, you stick your dick in it.

For Chrissakes Harry, if you’re not going to read what was written why are you continuing this nonsense?  If you say in public I said something I didn’t, I’ll stay here and defend it.  Either go back and read the entire thread on it or just stay out of it. Makes about as much sense as this: Every time you open your mouth, you stick your dick in it.

So Harry, you wanna suck my dick, eh? No I don’t want to deny straight ticket voters.  Stop baiting me already and let it die, you came in the conversation too late. Regards, Jeff

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I’m perfectly willing to believe that Wolfgang tried to tar you as Nazi….  

Isn’t "fascist" a little more all inclusive?   Nazi is a little too tied to a particular time and place.  C’mon Wolfgang, get smart (!) or we’ll have to cancel your voting privileges.  <g

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This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. and Wolfgang.

I see there are a few new posts on this thread since my first response last night.  I have refrained from reading any of them until I finish answering your question Willi. The relative anonymity provided by usenet makes it possible for people to craft a persona which may or may not correspond closely with what they project in face to face encounters.  As in any other endeavor competence in doing this deliberately varies considerably from one individual to another.  Needless to say, many will try to make themselves into something that they cannot, for one reason or another, be in the real world.  Presumably, some will enjoy great success at this while others, obviously, fail miserably.  Nothing can be done about the former (assuming that one would wish to) and nothing need by done about the latter.  Most fall somewhere between the two extremes.  I maintain that in many cases there is ample reason to want to do something to expose such a facade for what it is, and to deal bluntly  with the perpetrators just as one would (or at least SHOULD) with more blatant wholesalers of offense. My recent imbroglio with Jeff Connelly should serve as an example of what I am getting at.  Jeff’s suggestion that ignorant people by denied the right to vote (and that is EXACTLY what it was despite any later disclaimer) is as despicable as it is dangerous.  Most of the people in this group seemed willing enough to simply ignore this proposition, presumably for a variety of reasons.  Indifference is one thing which comes readily to mind.  Some may agree with him.  I suspect, though, that a lot of people, whatever their feelings on the matter he proposed, would simply rather avoid any further off topic unpleasantness on a news group they feel should be dedicated solely to fly fishing.  To me, this looks suspiciously like a willingness to allow people to do whatever they please out in the real world so long as they refrain from stirring things up in here; a very ass backward approach to life in my opinion. If it comes to choosing between maintaining tranquility in ROFF while allowing the larger world to go to hell, and raising hell here in the (perhaps vain) hope of making the real world a better place, I will go for the latter every time.  In my estimation, and apparently quite a few agree, this sets me in direct opposition to a great many of the people who come here with another agenda, and as has been pointed out, this seems to make me something of an asshole by definition.  So be it.  Any time I expressly take on that title, it may be taken as an indication that I perceive a line drawn in the sand and am willing (at least) to cross it. I realize of course that any criticism of others, explicit or implicit, in any of the above can easily be turned back on me and welcome (gleefully) any effort to do so, for the obvious reason. Hope this answers your question Willi.  If not, I’d be happy to continue either here or in private correspondence, as you choose. Wolfgang

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I plead guilty to arrogance. Do you believe it’s a personality trait, or is it just laziness?  I often think those who come off as arrogant do so because they’re too lazy to put in a real effort at being human.

So, does this make me something less than human or am I simply misreading a rather arrogant and insulting  statement? Typically, I am nowhere near as ornery in face to face confrontations as I am here in cyberspace, ..and that’s the sad part, IMHO.. I try hard to never say something here that I wouldn’t say face to face.. I think it’s an admirable goal, even if we don’t succeed.

I believe the notion that the dynamics of face to face encounters could or should equal those of written text based exchanges is rather simplistic.  If universally held, it would at the very least deprive us of much of the best work of Swift, Twain, Mencken, Parker, Voltaire, Bierce, Johnson, Paine, Shakespeare, and a host of others. I really don’t think it’s that hard to be civil here.

Agreed.

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I plead guilty to arrogance.

Do you believe it’s a personality trait, or is it just laziness?  I often think those who come off as arrogant do so because they’re too lazy to put in a real effort at being human. Typically, I am nowhere near as ornery in face to face confrontations as I am here in cyberspace,

..and that’s the sad part, IMHO.. I try hard to never say something here that I wouldn’t say face to face.. I think it’s an admirable goal, even if we don’t succeed. I really don’t think it’s that hard to be civil here.

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There’s always the chance that some smartass amateur psychologist will insist on sticking his opinion in where it wasn’t asked for.

You just never know… — Charlie…

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Everybody is an asshole sometimes. I know I am more often than I like. This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. and Wolfgang. Both you guys frequently use the term  "I am an asshole…"    as, it seems to me, a reason/excuse for behavior.  It seems to me that you both wave the label around with pride like it was the Congressional Medal of Honor or something.  I’m unaware of anyone else in this group, or anyone else I know in "real" life, that uses this phrase the way you two do. Am I off base? What are you trying to convey when you do this?

Well, speaking only for myself, mind you, I am aware of the common (but evidently not universal) perception that I am an unpleasant person by nature.  Quite a few people have pointed this out in this newsgroup using the term asshole or any of a number of close analogs.  This causes me neither shame nor pride.  It’s just another fact of life.  In fact, I am quite capable of being abrasive and I plead guilty to arrogance. Typically, I am nowhere near as ornery in face to face confrontations as I am here in cyberspace, but that is largely due to the fact that I rarely find myself facing someone who feels comfortable saying the outrageous and often phenomenally stupid shit that so regularly shows up here.  Contrary to what you have suggested, it is not because I am afraid of getting punched in the nose.  You see Willi, that’s something of a double edged sword….cuts both ways, you know? Anyone who has been here for more than a couple of weeks knows that I can be civil, and I flatter myself that I can hold my own in a reasonable discussion on virtually any issue.  We all have a certain threshold level of tolerance for inanity, bullshit, specious arguments, and other impedimenta.  I’ve got a very low threshold.  I am also prone to speaking my mind.  Sometimes, I opt for subtlety, but more often than not I tend to go for the jugular.  That’s the way it is in competitive events.  And anyone who denies the competitive aspect of what goes on in here is either blind or lying.  To be sure, it’s not all a competition, but there is enough of it to warrant mention. There’s more, but Becky just informed me that I MUST get showered up in preparation for a little wine tasting we’re hosting tonight.  Evidently there are a few people willing to at least pretend to like me for a couple of hours.  Rest assured that I’ll be back to complete this little dissertation some time before the end of the weekend.  You see Willi, I wouldn’t dream of failing to answer YOUR questions.    :) Wolfgang TTFN

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Everybody is an asshole sometimes. I know I am more often than I like. This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. and Wolfgang. Both you guys frequently use the term  "I am an asshole…"    as, it seems to me, a reason/excuse for behavior.  It seems to me that you both wave the label around with pride like it was the Congressional Medal of Honor or something.  I’m unaware of anyone else in this group, or anyone else I know in "real" life, that uses this phrase the way you two do. Am I off base? What are you trying to convey when you do this? Willi

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What are you trying to convey when you do this?

Not sure if it applies in the current situation, but I have seen people in the past behave this way when they were feeling (as many of us do on occasion) irrelevant. FWIW — Charlie…

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… This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. …

Not a good idea to honestly pose a sincere question to a person on a Usenet newsgroup. There’s always the chance that some smartass amateur psychologist will insist on sticking his opinion in where it wasn’t asked for. The short answer has to do with picking your enemies and taking a sort of pride in being detestable to those whom you detest. The long answer is best delivered over beer after a day astream. — Ken Fortenberry

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There are so many… Try Fish & Fly at http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/  Ken Baron at http://www.cse.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/kb_fish.html UK Fishing World at http://www.cygnet.co.uk/ukfw/ Or why not use AltaVista and search for "+fly fishing +UK" ? Lasse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a fly fishing website   restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.

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Anyone know of a fly fishing website   restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.

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Anyone know of a fly fishing website   restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.

Hi Jeremy, It’s not a website but a newsgroup – try uk.rec.fishing.game (URFG) you’ll find a lot of U.K.flyfishermen there. — Bill

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Anyone know of a fly fishing website   restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.

Hi Jeremy, < Anyone know of a fly fishing website restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire. Yes.. try my site, although I’m in N. Wales. I’m currently adding a site for someone down your way. If you know of anyone who would like their fishery listing, let me know and I will add them to my site. Whilst you’re browsing, kindly sign my guestbook Regards, Dave. ( David Anthony Fink ) www  : http://homepages.enterprise.net/davefink/

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I was just wondering if there is anyone here that fishes on the Bow river in calgary.  Thanx.

Not yet but will do so this June. It isn’t a great time to go due to spring run-off but the company’s sales conference is there and they are paying. You might check out the Western Canada regional board on Virtual Flyshop (http://www.flyshop.com) which has a number of Alberta guides as active members including Jim McLennan who is one of the better known guides. I have gotten some really good recommendations as to flies, guides, and other rivers in the region to try. -John

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I was just wondering if there is anyone here that fishes on the Bow river in calgary.  Thanx.

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I have done (7) nine day trips on the Bow. Three floats from Calgary to Carseland dam per trip. Ask away. Ted Bobetsky (http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com)

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I’d recommend Jim Powlesland, except that you’d have to put up with him ‘air’ shooting every living animal on the truck ride to the river. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

Michael, The phone number for NYSOGA is 518 798 1253.  Good luck. James Ehlers NYSOGA Member Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Mike – Contact the DEC in Raybrooke, NY (area code 518) and they can refer you to the proper office which will mail out an aplication form as well as requirements. What is required for the Backpacking/Hiking & Camping Licence: (If I remember correctly) -Passing a Physical Exam from your Doctor, -Basic First Aid AND Water Safety Course OR  Advanced First Aid (Includes Water Safety course) -Taking a 2 or 3 hour test at your Regional DEC Office (Core plus area of  specialty  -Climbing/Hiking & Backpacking/Canoeing/Camping…) -Fee of around $50-$75 Good Luck Rick Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.

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Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers would I have. I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. please respond by e-mail Have a super day! Please visit us at .www.teleport.com/~aafinart

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers : would I have. : I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I : don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and : make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say : what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. : please respond by e-mail Careful what you sell at a discount. Many of the higher brands of rods are price protected by the manufacturor. If they get wind of any discounting, you could wind up with some legal trouble. Jon Porter

Hey Jon, remember the anti trust laws? Price fixing remains illegal, and market price controls by manufacturers is also illegal.  We all know there is a degree of it but the manufactureres reactions can only be the refusal to continue doing business. MSRP is o.k., and direct agents can lose their agencies – but…for the legal sale of legally obtained merchandise pricing remains the sellers option. jg

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It’s because of people like this that small legitimate custom rod builders have problems getting accounts with major brand name companies. Sage for example use to have a great program for rod builders that they droped because to many people would flood the market with wholesale priced blanks. They got smart…we got screwed….This goes along with snaggin thanks Tom Wolf

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Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers would I have. I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. please respond by e-mail <<<<<<<<<<< For typical brand name rod, maybe not a Sage or Powell, the discount a distributor gives a retailer off of the so called retail price is at least 50%.  60% or more is not unlikely.  This allows every rod to be sold at both a "discount" and healthy profit.  I have bought 50% off rods from a retailer, and I was pretty sure he wasn’t loosing money. Bill Buchman

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: Careful what you sell at a discount. Many of the higher brands of rods are : price protected by the manufacturor. If they get wind of any discounting, : you could wind up with some legal trouble. : : Jon Porter : Hey Jon, remember the anti trust laws? Price fixing remains illegal, and : market price controls by manufacturers is also illegal.  We all know : there is a degree of it but the manufactureres reactions can only be the : refusal to continue doing business. MSRP is o.k., and direct agents can : lose their agencies – but…for the legal sale of legally obtained : merchandise pricing remains the sellers option. Hope I don’t start a different argument here.  ;-)  My point was that a manufacturor can set the price for his product. This is what happens with some of the big name rod companies. It would be anti-trust if the various companies got together and decided how they were going to set the prices. But that is not what is happening! It’s simply this:  Say, for instance, that SuperFisher Rod company decides to market their product. As a condition for the dealer to sell their product, the dealer has to agree not to discount it. SuperFisher Rod Company makes the exact same deal with all dealers that move their product. This prevents price wars between dealers selling SuperFisher products. It does not prevent Sage from under cutting SuperFisher in price. Their is no "trust" involved between manufacturors, and no price compitition among dealers for that ONE product. Other companies might do the same with their own product; but it is a different line, and a different price. We are having this problem now in my local area. Rumor has it that one dealer is discounting the price on some merchandise that is price protected. This males it impossible for the compeating dealers in the local market to compete. Good for the consumer, black eye for the manufacturor who has that same agreement with everybody. If they find some truth in it, the discounter will no longer receive his product. Jon Porter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers : would I have. : I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I : don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and : make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say : what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. : please respond by e-mail Careful what you sell at a discount. Many of the higher brands of rods are price protected by the manufacturor. If they get wind of any discounting, you could wind up with some legal trouble. Jon Porter Hey Jon, remember the anti trust laws? Price fixing remains illegal, and market price controls by manufacturers is also illegal.  We all know there is a degree of it but the manufactureres reactions can only be the refusal to continue doing business. MSRP is o.k., and direct agents can lose their agencies – but…for the legal sale of legally obtained merchandise pricing remains the sellers option. jg

 I sometimes deal with a sports shop which used to sell sage and other fine blanks at deep discount. No more! He was reported to the mfgr. by another shop and from then on his  blanks were on continuous back-order! Doug

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I wish you were even close to the truth.  Any dealer who is selling ANY rod at 50% off is losing money.  A dealer who is selling any fly rod at 50% off is either stupid AND desperate, or that dealer is dumping(at a loss), a rod because it has been discontinued by the manufacturer, or has been a dog for a couple of years.  Fly fishing businesses can be more than a hobby, and good dealers can make money, but overall margines are very low compared to other industries, and very low compared to the high cost of running a good business.  As for competing with Cabela’s and Bass Pro, it’s actually not that difficult to beat them.  For people who are only shopping for price, those big guys win their share of the battles, but for customers who want the highest quality products and best possible service along with reliable accurate information, a good fly shop beats those guys ever time.  Good fishing, Stephen Vletas

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A fly fishing shop seems like a really tough business to me. The one near me (Cary, NC) went out of business, but it was located in a giant strip mall (Crossroads) that primarily has discount stores. The margins seem high. But how many times do you have to stand in line at the register? Rarely, it seems, and then it is usually only one or two people at most. The traffic is pretty slow. Lots of people pop in to look, maybe buy a few flies for a buck apiece. An occasional higher dollar item like a rod or good waders helps keep them in business. But they are losing a lot of that to Cabela’s and Bass Pro Shops through the mail these days. I have to admit I use mail order to save money many times. A fly shop almost has to be a hobby for the owner. -Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For typical brand name rod, maybe not a Sage or Powell, the discount a distributor gives a retailer off of the so called retail price is at least 50%.  60% or more is not unlikely.  This allows every rod to be sold at both a "discount" and healthy profit.  I have bought 50% off rods from a retailer, and I was pretty sure he wasn’t loosing money.

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I have two $69.00 caddis tubes that I use for striped bass fly fishing here in CA.. My 8 year old daughter and 10 year old son have no problems at all using them as neither do I. I find the lighter and less expensive the better…One of the responses to you mentioned being "pee" friendly either way you still have wadders on. good luck.  

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One thing to consider is where you will be using the tube or pontoon boat.  I have used both and when conditions permit a pontoon boat is easier to fish from for the reasons others have listed, but I often enjoy backpacking into lakes, and my tube weighs far less than a pontoon boat, which would be too cumbersome for such a trip.  Good luck with your decision.

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There is a pontoon boat that addresses the needs of the backpacker and the river fisherman. Try the Supercat. —                    "One Fish is Worth a Thousand Lies"                             http://Flyfish.Com

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There is a pontoon boat that addresses the needs of the backpacker and the river fisherman. Try the Supercat.

I just tried out a Supercat yesterday and it was great. I’ll be ordering one soon. I guess I shouldn’t have bought that float tube a couple of weeks ago. Brad

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Hello, I am going to make a purchase of either a float tube, or a pontoon float. If you have had experience in any of the above, I sure would like to hear your opinion as the database of information is pretty scarce. If you have a pontoon float, how are they in the wind?  U shape verses V shape verses Round?  How about brand names, general price, etc, good or bad? Sure would appreciate your input. Thanks. Mike

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I just replaced my tube with a JW Outfitters Kingfisher 4 pontoon.  I like it alot better because 1) casting is much easier, 2) sight-fishing is much better, 3) it is faster and more manuverable, 4) ingress-egress MUCH nicer, 5) it is certainly more pee-friendly, and 6) it is lighter.  As to the wind, not a problem.  You can kick out real easily.

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Pontoon boat more comfortable, drier, covers more area. But nothying like fightinhg  a big fish from a float tube. if you gert a flaoat tube-go u or v -boat design only.

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Hello, I am going to make a purchase of either a float tube, or a pontoon float. If you have had experience in any of the above, I sure would like to hear your opinion as the database of information is pretty scarce. If you have a pontoon float, how are they in the wind?  U shape verses V shape verses Round?  How about brand names, general price, etc, good or bad? Sure would appreciate your input. Thanks.

Hi Mike I’ve had a lot of experience with float tubes and pontoon boats.  The float tube will cost you less than a pontoon boat (tube = $100 or so, pontoon = $400 – $1600 or so) Personally I would use a pontoon boat over a float tube no matter what the cost difference is.  After I reached the age of 45 whenever I got my crotch in cold water it was an immediate trip to the bank for a nature call.  Also as I got older staying warm in a tube became a problem.  Also I never felt comfortable floating a river in a tube although I’ve done quite a bit of it.   In the wind you can kick your heart out in a tube and progress on you way very slowly.  With a pontoon craft you can kick and row at the same time and really scoot.  My wife and I use our boats here in Montana on streams like the Big Horn.  When we float through a section that is particularly productive, we pull over to the soft side of the river and kick and row our way back up stream to the top end of the pool and float through it again.  I’ve had my craft in rapid up to grade #3 and did not feel in jeopardy (I have had a lot of experience in white water so that could be part of the reason).  By the way I’m in the fly fishing business but do not sell pontoon boats. For what it’s worth, that’s my belief.  I’m sure you will get other responces with different oppinions.  Which ever way you go, ENJOY! Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I’ll be camping in the area of Roscoe, N.Y. next week. Any tips on what’s been working successfully in the local streams? (Since I’ve typically fished in California. I have no knowledge of upstate N.Y. fishing).

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I’ll be camping in the area of Roscoe, N.Y. next week. Any tips on what’s been working successfully in the local streams? (Since I’ve typically fished in California. I have no knowledge of upstate N.Y. fishing).

I’d check with the local fly shops–they’re several in the Roscoe area.   Conditions change rapidly at this time of year, and the the shop owner ought to be knowledable. Good luck, Emil Department of Education Phone:  (607) 255-2267 419 Kennedy Hall                Fax:    (607) 255-7905 Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853

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I’ll be camping in the area of Roscoe, N.Y. next week. Any tips on what’s been working successfully in the local streams? (Since I’ve typically fished in California. I have no knowledge of upstate N.Y. fishing). I’d check with the local fly shops–they’re several in the Roscoe area.   Conditions change rapidly at this time of year, and the the shop owner ought to be knowledable. Good luck, Emil

Just got back from a weekend in the Roscoe area. The water is very low, but fishable. BUT trout are few and far between. The low water seems to have driven most of the fish out.    Your best bet is to head down to the East Branch. We had good fishing in the special reg area upstream from Fishs Eddy. We saw light cahills, slate drakes (isonychia), sulphurs, tiny blue wing olives, yellow cranefly, and all types of caddis. They are releasing water from the dam, which has the water up about a foot, but it is running clear    The West branch is high and discolored from NY releasing water full bore for the last few months.  People are fishing it, but your better off on the East Branch. Todd R. Seigfried    aluxpo.att.com!trs *  Todd Seigfried’ Custom Flies                                       * *  Custom flies, fly tying instruction, Licensed Delaware River Guide *

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Just got back from a weekend in the Roscoe area. The water is very low, but fishable. BUT trout are few and far between. The low water seems to have driven most of the fish out.

Ahem.  There are plenty of fish in the Beaverkill.  They are just hard to catch.  I was also in the Roscoe area last weekend, fishing the Beaverkill and Willowemoc.  I saw plenty of fish, especially in the riffles and deeper pools.  But they were not feeding on the surface despite good hatches of BWOs and other flies.  Managed a few on nymphs, and it is tough fishing.  But there are plenty of fish in the river.

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