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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

Evil, Karen, eeevill (snicker) — Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore.  Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Dear Miss Christina, We are the greebling experts!  You can trust us kitties.  You can’t trust your poor weak hoomin eyes.  Believe me, they can get anywhere. They change shape, and get flat, or long or whatever they need to do to hide from you.  But we can see ‘em, hear ‘em and smell ‘em.  Please don’t take any risks with those horrid greeblings just waiting around to take over the house– or fly down your throat when you’re sleeping! Eeeww!  I get all creepy just thinking about it.  Believe me, I know it’s not yours or my mommy’s faults that you can’t see them. You just have to relax and let us do our jobs.  We’ll take care of everything. Love, Stinky Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Boyfriend is right. We have rug greeblings in the kitchen and the family room.  Sometimes I have to move the entire rug back to get to them. Meowmy will come home and find the kitchen rug upside down and in the dining room, but she doesn’t find greeblings. That’s because I ate them all. Boyfriend is doing the right thing. Samuel R. Thunderpaws The Great Greebling Hunter

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep.

When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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<SNIP Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

OH MY!!!! I’d compleetly foregotten about newspaper greeblings.  But, from the state of the last newspaper I brought in the house & left on the couch when I went to work…. I think the furballs got them all. —

Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Isn’t it funny how cats will always groom themselves nonchalantly whenever they do something stupid, my dogs just used to look embarrassed,but a cat makes sure you ‘know’ he did it on purpose That was a funny story Yowie, Wilson always chased the mop when he was little, it was especially funny when he chased the polish mop, he would skid everywhere.   Jean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings.

Ah now I see!  They’d be under the floorboards in my place though, and anywhere in the house when the gat needs to go the toilet, he does a loud howl and runs around like a maniac then does his business, odd creature!

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the- kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore. Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

L O Nina & Francesca I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen.  I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job.  She sed its a deal.  I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away.  She say you will be busier dan me.  Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I?  I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose.  Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings. <scratches head Boyfriend

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen.  I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job.  She sed its a deal.  I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away.  She say you will be busier dan me.  Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I?  I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose.  Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings. <scratches head Boyfriend

Boyfriend, You are the dearest little fellow.  I send you special skritches from across the sea. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?  

Is there ever! They belong to the family of under-the-rug greeblings, and Mere has been showing me how lacking Frank and Nikki have been lately in hunting them. It seems that they have let the greeblings multiply enormously, though Nikki does hunt them half-heartedly every now and then. However, Mere is on their case, and is taking care that they (the greeblings) keep on their toes. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are greeblings? Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yes, and that’s why Nina was making it virtually impossible to put clean sheets on my bed, yesterday. =o) She was having a grand Greebling hunt. Melissa

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

If I ever see one, I’ll let you know.  (Actually, only cats can see these mysterious creatures).   MLB

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What are greeblings?

Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in.

What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in.

They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings. — CATherine

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. — Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

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A friend is leaving our fishing committee after a number of years. We would like to mark the occasion with a gift. In some ways it is easy you can always find use for a cape, a reel, a fly box, a line, the list is endless… Perhaps a good strong fly box that could take a small inscription would be a permanent reminder, does anyone have any suggestions? — Ellis Morgan

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A friend is leaving our fishing committee after a number of years. We would like to mark the occasion with a gift. In some ways it is easy you can always find use for a cape, a reel, a fly box, a line, the list is endless… Perhaps a good strong fly box that could take a small inscription would be a permanent reminder, does anyone have any suggestions? — Ellis Morgan

I’ve seen Wheatly fly boxes that people have engraved. Paul

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I’ve used a UK company which specialises in fishing gifts: http://www.justfish.co.uk I’ve had resin fish for the wall, cards and fishing related ornaments etc.  The catalogue is pretty good, in fact I think they sent out a Xmas one recently – might be worth requesting one ?

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In reference to my previous post for justfish.co.uk, the resin fish sculptures are quite nice – they are not very big mind.  I ordered one last year for the wall – only 12 x 8 inches – under

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Thanks to all who replied. After reading some of the posts on this group I have come to one conclusion, you guys are nuts! But I like it!

Yes, we are, and proud to be. Maybe it’s because we don’t have Orvis guide to help us to wear a good sun protection… Have a look at the topic "Christmas Island", You will find nuts and knots… Whatever the shop will do it or you for the first time, learn to do it by yourself. Salut, Philippe * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Thanks to all who replied. After reading some of the posts on this group I have come to one conclusion, you guys are nuts! But I like it! I think I will let the shop spool it for me this time, while I watch, and then attempt a spare spool myself. Thanks again! YD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Since it came as a kit, you should have received the approximately appropriate amount of backing (no gaurantee however).  Your reel should indicate how much backing it can handle for a given (typically weight forward) fly line.  You spool of backing is probably 100 yards. At the shop, they can demonstrate all the knots for you.  Having a knowledgable shop where you feel comfortable and welcome will go a long way in helping out a newbie. Sooner or later you’ll have to learn to do it yourself.  At the shop they can apply tension as they wind the line by using a machine.  I do this myself by poking a pen through the backing spool and then holding the pen with my toes. I apply pressure against the spool with my feet and wind the line with the reel attached to the bottom piece of the fly rod so that the backing goes through the line guide (the biggest guide, closest to the reel is called the stripping guide or stripper, and larger rods usually have two of them, BTW).  You might find it easier to purchase a line winder if you decide you really love the sport and end up with many reels and lines.

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Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me?

Since it came as a kit, you should have received the approximately appropriate amount of backing (no gaurantee however).  Your reel should indicate how much backing it can handle for a given (typically weight forward) fly line.  You spool of backing is probably 100 yards.   At the shop, they can demonstrate all the knots for you.  Having a knowledgable shop where you feel comfortable and welcome will go a long way in helping out a newbie. Sooner or later you’ll have to learn to do it yourself.  At the shop they can apply tension as they wind the line by using a machine.  I do this myself by poking a pen through the backing spool and then holding the pen with my toes. I apply pressure against the spool with my feet and wind the line with the reel attached to the bottom piece of the fly rod so that the backing goes through the line guide (the biggest guide, closest to the reel is called the stripping guide or stripper, and larger rods usually have two of them, BTW).  You might find it easier to purchase a line winder if you decide you really love the sport and end up with many reels and lines.

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writes: Yeah! Take THAT, Dave! Hell, LaPlac has an Orvis guide put his hat on for him<g. — Charlie…

LOL.  I have an Orvis vest and Orvis waders, but no Orvis hat!  However, I do have him start my car — you can never tell with some of the crazies Dave L.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Hell, LaPlac has an Orvis guide put his hat on for him<g. — Charlie… LOL.  I have an Orvis vest and Orvis waders, but no Orvis hat!  However, I do have him start my car — you can never tell with some of the crazies Dave L.

Ya, can you imagine the damage an exploding junbo sized bottle of xink would do to the interior of that new A6? Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while.  I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!! Yeah! Take THAT, Dave! I’m still ahead, 7 to 2.  You probably paid ol Joe to post that!  <g Dave L.

Know what, Dave? I’m buying a reel and an extra spool for Christmas Island, probably from Bill Kiene, and I expect to have him install the lines and backing. Still, I think it’s a good idea to know how to put on a new line when I have to. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Steve B. writes: Know what, Dave? I’m buying a reel and an extra spool for Christmas Island, probably from Bill Kiene, and I expect to have him install the lines and backing. Still, I think it’s a good idea to know how to put on a new line when I have to.

Just pulling your chain, friend.   Checked out your site for the Western Clave.  Nice. Dave L.

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While I agree that it’s a good idea to have the dealer load your spools if possible, it pays to know how to do it yourself.  Someday you will ruin a fly line while out on a trip and you will need to do it yourself.  I would recommend getting an extra spool, and after watching somebody with experience, load up your extra spool (maybe with another kind of line, like a sinktip or a different taper).  That way you will have seen it done twice plus you’ll have a spare spool already loaded for that day when you’re out on a river and ruin your line. –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Know what, Dave? I’m buying a reel and an extra spool for Christmas Island, probably from Bill Kiene, and I expect to have him install the lines and backing. Still, I think it’s a good idea to know how to put on a new line when I have to. —

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Yeah! Take THAT, Dave!

Hell, LaPlac has an Orvis guide put his hat on for him<g. — Charlie…

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I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while.  I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!!   Yeah! Take THAT, Dave!

I’m still ahead, 7 to 2.  You probably paid ol Joe to post that!  <g Dave L.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while.  I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!!  

Yeah! Take THAT, Dave! — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Bill Kiene writes: I would take it to the shop that sold it as it is their job to put it together for you. They can teach you some knots while they are installing properly for you. I would get some casting lessons now so you can practice at the park. By spring you will be ready for those fish.

Hey, rw:  another one for *my* side. Nanna nana na na!   Pfffffft.  d:0) Dave L.

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I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while.  I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!!  I recommend a couple of books for you: "Fly-Fisherman’s Primer" by Fling & Puterbaugh; and, "Practical Fishing Knots" by Sosin & Kreh.  I found both of these quite helpful for the beginner.  Also, the following web site is very useful. http://www.myhost.com/flyfishing101/ Have fun, and good luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

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I would take it to the shop that sold it as it is their job to put it together for you. They can teach you some knots while they are installing properly for you. I would get some casting lessons now so you can practice at the park. By spring you will be ready for those fish. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks. Most shops have a motorized winder and if you bought the gear there, they’re more than happy to load the reel for you.  While they’re doing it, note the knots and methods they’re using.  The next one will be all yours.  :) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly. WARNING #3 — Forget all of rw’s trash.  

This is flyfishing trash talk! Yo mama, Dave! OK, OK, he can save some hassle by having the dealer install the backing and flyline, but that’s just delaying the inevitable. One of the most fun things about flyfishing is learning to tie the knots. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly.

WARNING #3 — Forget all of rw’s trash.  Listen to what the majority are saying:  Take the reel, line and backing back to the dealer.  If you bought the reel there, he will probably put in all together for you.  He has the tools, machines and knowledge.  You do not — at least at this time. Watch what they do.  Ask questions.  The next time you buy a new line you can put it on yourself.  You can learn the knots as you go along, YD. There are only a couple that you need right off and that is a double surgeons knot (or blood knot) to tie on your tippet, and a uni-knot, clinch knot or improved clinch to tie on your fly. Dave L.        —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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"Yankee Dick"write:snipI recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me?

First this old Texan will give you a pass on commenting about your name. This is a one time shot and don’t expect anyone else on this newsgroup to be as nice as it simple won’t happen. Yes take them back to the shop from which they were purchased and let them load the reel, but pay attention so that you won’t have to take your next fifty outfits back and depend on someone else to assemble the mess. Big Dale

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly. WARNING #3 — Forget all of rw’s trash. This is flyfishing trash talk! Yo mama, Dave! OK, OK, he can save some hassle by having the dealer install the backing and flyline, but that’s just delaying the inevitable. One of the most fun things about flyfishing is learning to tie the knots.

my attempts at tying a bimini can not be classified as fun <G rw, i invite you fishing anytime… you tie the knots, i fish… we’ll both have a blast <G chris

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me?

Take it to a shop.  Won’t cost you much more (unless you a about to buy an unsuitable line).  They will help you pick a line appropriate for the kind of fishing you plan to do. Also, the will show you a leader formula so you can tie your own, and put the backing and line on the reel for you, all for the cost of materials. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

Don’t take it to a dealer. Don’t listen to LaPlac. You’re FLYFISHING now, dude! That means you have to learn a bunch of obscure knots. Use an Arbor Knot to connect the backing to the reel. Use an Albright Knot to connect the backing to the flyline (with Pliobond if you expect to actually use the backing — fighting a fish, that is). Use a Nail Knot to connect the butt section to the flyline. Use a Bloodknot to connect the leader to the butt section, Use a Surgeon’s Knot to connect the tippet to the leader. Use a Uni Knot to connect the fly to the tippet. Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Yankee Dick writes: I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

Well, first off, YD, if you stick around this newsgroup, you are gonna take a lot of flack and abuse about your name.  <G Welcome to ROFF.  By all means, YD, take the reel, backing, and line back to the dealer and have them put it on. They know the proper knots to connect the backing to the reel, the line to the backing.  For future ease of changing leaders, have them put in a loop to the end of the fly line so that you can make a loop to loop connection for your leader(s).  Some folks don’t like the loop to loop, but it is ideal for a newbie — no knots.   While your at the fly shop, have them teach you how to connect the tippet and how to tie on a fly.   If you have any problems, the folks on these pages are always willing to help. Good luck, YD, especially with your handle!  <g Louie

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

Most shops have a motorized winder and if you bought the gear there, they’re more than happy to load the reel for you.  While they’re doing it, note the knots and methods they’re using.  The next one will be all yours.  :) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

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I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, Brian — Brian

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I do not know Lansing area, but mid-October on in MI advice from me is: 1.Get the licence and booklet and note where rivers have "extended seasons"   (for Steelhead, Salmon, Trout). 2. Go there.  Target steelhead.  Closest famous place may be Grand Rapids on the Grand, but the Grand comes right into lansing.  I’ve seen Salmon climb the step damn at Grand Ledge.  You will be semi close to the Pere Marquette, White, Manistee, Little Manistee, etc.  (1.5-3 hrs) Mid october may present a problem of "Black ugly chinook present".              - rork.

: I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about : bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone : give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any : information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, : Brian : — : Brian

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I don’t know about specific locations but I read recently that parts of the Grand River around Lansing are the best Smallmouth waters in the entire state, and that’s not just for rivers. Good luck, Jason Schwartz I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, Brian — Brian

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Brian, General trout season ends on September 30 but there are extended season trout streams.  Fish creek is about an hour + from Lansing and does have brown and brook trout.  However, I recommend you stay in the Lansing area.  Lake Lansing is one of the better large mouth bass lakes in the state and is just outside of town.  There are also lots of panfish (bluegill, pumpkinseed, and black crappie) and some pike.  The Red Cedar River, which runs through the MSU campus, has a variety of warmwater fish.  The Grand River, which runs through Lansing and points West, has small mouth bass among others.  If you are interested I know a guide who is an expert on the Grand and can show you the ropes.  And there is a TU group here that can be helpful. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, Brian — Brian

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What would the best ff be within easy reach of Vancouver in April?  Have to make a business trip to Asia and thought it might be worth doing a stopover — if it’s not too early in the season.  Steelhead?  Sea-run cutthroats?  Thanks for any info. George

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: What would the best ff be within easy reach of Vancouver in April?  Have : to make a business trip to Asia and thought it might be worth doing a : stopover — if it’s not too early in the season.  Steelhead?  Sea-run : cutthroats?  Thanks for any info. If you’re early enough in April, there might still be some late-winter steelhead available in the Capilano (from downtown Van, take Georgia through Stanley Park and across the Lions Gate Bridge and you’re there; the Cap forms the boundary between North Van and West Van). That’s probably the closest; other options at that time of year include the Squamish and the Vedder, both of which are an hour or two away. Hopefully, the guys who live in Vancouver year-round can give more details; in the time I lived there, I was always a student, meaning that April started with final exams and ended with heading out of town to my summer jobs 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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Vedder River steelies would probably be your best bet, if the river’s in shape.

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Suggest you look into fishing the Harrison River for Sea Run cutt’s. this can be a great time when the chum salmon fry move downstream and cutt’s cut through the dense schooles of fry. Kelly Davidson of Babcok Fly and tackle in Coquitlam BC. is A-1 one on knwoledge on this fishery; he guides as well. Squamish River has large steelhead and beautifull scenery. Arpil is prime time but runs have been low. Vedder amy be alrightfor FF at that time but it isn’t the best for FF steelhead.

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Subj:  Upriver or Downriver casting? I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream. I assume that if I start up stream and cast down stream that I would continue to work the river moving slowly down stream. Could someone please make this clear to me? Thank you very much in advance!!! TCC

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Subj:  Upriver or Downriver casting? I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream. I assume that if I start up stream and cast down stream that I would continue to work the river moving slowly down stream. Could someone please make this clear to me?

Both ways are very acceptible and mastering good drifts on all compass points is a rewarding challenge. My only advise is: 1) learn a stealthful approach, you can get closer usually from downstream, but you would be amazed at fish pointing downstream because the current has eddied. 2) cast a short, light, controlled line with as long a tippet as you can stand. Good fishing. TimW

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With this thread, I am reminded of 2 things. 1) The Colonel 2) Sgt. York 1.  In "Streamers" by the late great Col. Joseph Bates.  He describes a     ‘fan’ approach to covering waters.  You cast a short line in a fanned     arc, increasing the line length with each pass to avoid spooking fish.     Same with an upstream cast.  Start short and only count on a good drift     the length of the leader + any curve or reach put into it.  Increase the     length of the cast each time. 2.  In Sgt. York, the deadeye would pick off the krauts in the back of the formation.     Like shooting turkeys, so that the ones in front would not become alarmed. Good fishing my friends. TimW

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Todd- When casting to a sighted trout, cast towards a spot a couple feet to the left or right of the fish and a several feet above the fish.  Just before the fly hits the water, give your rod a slight jerk to the left if the fish is to the right, to the right if the fish is left.  This will keep your line off the fish and the fly in his feeding lane.

What do should you do when casting to a blind trout? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Thank you everyone for your tremendous help! I coudn’t have done it without you all. This is a letter I cc’d to a bunch of you who e-mailed me so I’ll just post it in its entirety here on the board. I’ll be sure to try out your casting suggestions in the future. Thanks again! Thanks once again for your fishing advice! I got one! The trout was about a foot long so I was quite pleased. After trying to tackle a fast-moving section of the river (with no success), I decided to check on a quiet pool that I knew about upriver. The pool occurs at an elbow in the river where the river suddenly drops to about 15 feet deep. While the surface appears smooth, the water is actually moving at a nice pace through the curve. At the corner of the elbow, a small jut occurs where the water is totally calm. I noticed some swirling in the quiet spot just off the moving water and then a little blip at the surface which looked like it might have been a fish surfacing. As luck would have it, I made a very nice cast which landing softly in the middle of the pool. Just as the dry fly landed and sat on the surface the trout took it! It was very exciting since this is my first fish taken fly fishing. I decided to let him go. Maybe I’ll meet him again next year! Thanks for your help, it really did make a difference. TCC Todd Cranston-Cuebas

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: When fishing upstream, always work upstream.  I always walk the bank of a : river to scope out an area I would like to fish, then drop into the river : below the area and fish upstream.  IMHO, if I spook fish from their holding : pattern, they move towards the center of the river or deeper, thus not : spooking fish above. A good way to see how fish react to the fisherman is to watch a friend stalk the fish while you sit on the bank.  I have seen fish run upstream this way smack into other fish. This gets them excited and makes them spooky. I have also learned that if the fish is left alone for a while, it may return to it’s origional location.  And then I have also fish do just what you described. Jon Porter

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…The best bet is to be sneaky, and stalk the fish just as if you were hunting them.

I’ve always thought fly fishing was more like hunting than fishing. -AR

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I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream.

For total beginners: 1.  Don’t wade unless you must.  If so, 2.  First wade downstream, fishing across the current with a wet fly or nymph.  The water’s tension on the line will help you control it. 3.  Then wade upstream, with a dry (floating) fly, casting 45 degrees upstream.  When you see a fish rise, cast one yard above it, beginning a bit short to be on the safe side.   Don’t cast straight upstream, unless it is unavoidable;  you don’t want the fish to see your line, and it’s harder to keep control of the line the faster it drifts toward you. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Subj:  Upriver or Downriver casting? I’m a very beginner fly fisherman and I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the best way to approach casting in a river. Should I start up stream and cast down stream or start down stream and cast up stream. I assume that if I start up stream and cast down stream that I would continue to work the river moving slowly down stream. Could someone please make this clear to me? Thank you very much in advance!!! TCC

I would think a new FF’er would have better luck with casting dry’s upstream (easier to get a proper drift) and wets cross or down stream. Once you get your confidence up then experimentation is the best part of the sport (IMHO). Steve

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snip The only thing that still baffles me a bit about casting upstream is the thought of casting _above_ and _over_ the fish in lay. Would this scare a trout? I assume that I must cast above the fish and let the fly drift over it _without_ casting my line over its head. Are all of these assumptions correct?

Todd- When casting to a sighted trout, cast towards a spot a couple feet to the left or right of the fish and a several feet above the fish.  Just before the fly hits the water, give your rod a slight jerk to the left if the fish is to the right, to the right if the fish is left.  This will keep your line off the fish and the fly in his feeding lane. Also, if I decide to cast dry flies upstream, after I’ve fished out the area within reach, I should move to a new location downstream? Is this correct? My assumption is that any trout I might have scared would head away from me heading upstream thereby scaring fish away or making them hesitant in that direction. Do have this this right or am I thinking about this in the wrong way?

When fishing upstream, always work upstream.  I always walk the bank of a river to scope out an area I would like to fish, then drop into the river below the area and fish upstream.  IMHO, if I spook fish from their holding pattern, they move towards the center of the river or deeper, thus not spooking fish above. Bob Crossley — Bob Crossley

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TimW Thank you for your reply. The only thing that still baffles me a bit about casting upstream is the thought of casting _above_ and _over_ the fish in lay. Would this scare a trout? I assume that I must cast above the fish and let the fly drift over it _without_ casting my line over its head. Are all of these assumptions correct? Also, if I decide to cast dry flies upstream, after I’ve fished out the area within reach, I should move to a new location downstream? Is this correct? My assumption is that any trout I might have scared would head away from me heading upstream thereby scaring fish away or making them hesitant in that direction. Do have this this right or am I thinking about this in the wrong way? Thanks! TCC Todd Cranston-Cuebas

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WOO HOO!  This can cause quite a few arguments!  :) : The only thing that still baffles me a bit about casting upstream is the : thought of casting _above_ and _over_ the fish in lay. Would this scare a : trout? I assume that I must cast above the fish and let the fly drift over : it _without_ casting my line over its head. Are all of these assumptions : correct? Yes. IF you line a trout (lay the line on top of it) it will gennerally spook and run away from you. The idea is to cast upstream at an angle so the the fly comes in from the side of the fish. The only part to drift over the fish would be the leader. This is the old "traditional" dry fly approach. By using this method, you are coming up on the fish from behind. They face upstream all the time because that is where the food comes from. : Also, if I decide to cast dry flies upstream, after I’ve fished out the : area within reach, I should move to a new location downstream? Is this : correct? My assumption is that any trout I might have scared would head : away from me heading upstream thereby scaring fish away or making them : hesitant in that direction. Do have this this right or am I thinking about : this in the wrong way? If the fish is spooked, it will usually run away from you. If you are fishing upstream, then the fish will run upstream, and vice-versa. And it’s movement could make the other fish that it runs past spooky. The real trouble with fishing downstream is that we tend to cause the water to cloud up when we walk in it. That may put the fish. So the old upstream approach remains popular.  But rules are made to be broken, and I have had some of my best fishing by casting downstream. The best bet is to be sneaky, and stalk the fish just as if you were hunting them. Jon Porter

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I am going on a 6-day float trip on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River in central Idaho.  I am not an experienced fly fisherman, but plan to try my hand at it.  Any advice on techniques, equipment, flies for this particular river? I would appreciate any feedback.  Copy to my e-mail if convenient. Thanks, Bryan — Bryan Boyne        "I have no need of a chart or creed…. Houston, TX USA       for the winds of chance will bear us straight…"

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: I am going on a 6-day float trip on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River : in central Idaho.  I am not an experienced fly fisherman, but plan to try : my hand at it.  Any advice on techniques, equipment, flies for this : particular river? Bring big sticks of dynamite.  The locals use the little ones. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I am going on a 6-day float trip on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River in central Idaho.  I am not an experienced fly fisherman, but plan to try my hand at it.  Any advice on techniques, equipment, flies for this particular river? I would appreciate any feedback.  Copy to my e-mail if convenient. Thanks, Bryan — Bryan Boyne        "I have no need of a chart or creed…. Houston, TX USA           for the winds of chance will bear us straight…"

I heard that there are Cutthroat trout in the tributaries. Bring some large, #10/12, dries and some 7 1/2′ 4x leaders. Make sure that fishing is legal. Try some large, #4/6, black wooly buggers on a sink tip line in the main river. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I am going on a 6-day float trip on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River in central Idaho.  I am not an experienced fly fisherman, but plan to try my hand at it.  Any advice on techniques, equipment, flies for this particular river? I would appreciate any feedback.  Copy to my e-mail if convenient. Thanks, Bryan — Bryan Boyne        "I have no need of a chart or creed…. Houston, TX USA       for the winds of chance will bear us straight…"

I was on the Middle Fork last week and had day after day of fabulous fishing for the native cutthroats. This is a wilderness area so the fish aren’t real shy.  I used a parachute hopper pattern with a beadhead hares ear pattern on a dropper.  I caught fish equally well on both patterns. If you start your trip in Ketchum, stop by Silver Creek Outfitters for your flies. Their parachute hoppers were the best I’ve used. Have fun!                                    Ken Marble

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From the mouth to Roaing fork is C&R and open till 8-31 Roaring fork to boundary creek C&R Boundary creek to dagger creek-Closed Dagger creek to Bear Valley and Marsh creeks-2 fish all tribs are C&R attractors are great this time of year.  Many cutts in both the main and tribs. Doug

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Hoppers and Royal Wulffs will do you fine.  Make sure you don’t snag your oarsman or other floaters on your backcast.

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are there any schools that teach fishing with conventional tackle instead of pure flyrod?

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are there any schools that teach fishing with conventional tackle instead of pure flyrod?

I don’t know of any. I think that is why the fly fishing industry is doing so well.  There are lots of videos, books and schools on the sport of fly fishing. Most of the conventional tackle is sold by self service mass merchandizers like Walmart and Kmart. It is hard to get any service, help or fishing info from those stores. I have watched the tackle business change for the last 31 years that I have been involved in it. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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suggest attractor patterns as well as the standard hare’s ears, zug bugs, and hatch matches….like caddis in June.  I am suprised that you can get into the palisades area in early June.  Last year this was solid snow until August

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I have a customer who’s going to be in the High Sierra’s around Bishop, California, the last week in June. He’s interested in any fly-fishing opportunities there, particularly in the Alpine lakes and Pallisades Glacier areas. Any information on local shops, patterns, etc., would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jim McKay Henry Weston Outfitters

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Opinions that snaps are okay<

I’ve heard from two people now who really like those things. Perhaps it’s time I tried them again. Maybe my mind will change. Any other input would be appreciated. Thanx! JL 8-Wt Editor

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Jim Stuart writes: On the other hand, tying on bugs in low light (hell, in any light) is getting harder as I approach geezerhood and I’m thinking about trying those little snaps that are made for flies.  Anyone had any experience with them? Yeah, I tried those some years back. I found them too big for trout flies, too small for bass flies, and too wimpy in general for the rough-and-tumble, cast-to-the-tangles fishing in my area. Besides, you’ve got to tie those on, too, and they’re just as hard as any small fly, and more difficult to handle if your hands are stiff.

$.02: Maybe the fish are less rugged here in MN. I’ve used those things for years, on flies, jigs and plugs. They come in 3 sizes, so yu do have to change sizes if you have only one spool. I keep a small one on my fly rod, a medium on my lighter spinning rod, and a big ‘un on my heavyweight rod. I’ve lost fish for a mess of reasons, but those clips are not among them. They also let the fly/lure be freer for action, like a loop knot. I don’t like them for worming, though; they can collect junk if fished real slow.         /   V  V  V  V  V  V  V  /      King’s Computer Management, Inc.        <   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  (o   1633 NE Hwy 10      VVV              Y                 612-784-8042 (voice)                      VVV Heddon Lucky 13 leopard: the lure doesn’t catch fish, fish catch the lure. Opinions? I’m married. I am not allowed to have opinions.

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Jim Stuart writes: On the other hand, tying on bugs in low light (hell, in any light) is getting harder as I approach geezerhood and I’m thinking about trying those little snaps that are made for flies.  Anyone had any experience with them?

Yeah, I tried those some years back. I found them too big for trout flies, too small for bass flies, and too wimpy in general for the rough-and-tumble, cast-to-the-tangles fishing in my area. Besides, you’ve got to tie those on, too, and they’re just as hard as any small fly, and more difficult to handle if your hands are stiff. JL 8-Wt Editor

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