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Well we survived  . . .  barely. You see, it’s been raining, and it’s spring, and there’s been some snow melt.  That ends up with lots of high, dirty water.  We tried Friday, we tried Saturday, and tomorrow we’re going to the fishing show.  We know when we’re beat. Louie tried his nymphs, I tried my wets and Greg threw what ever he had but it made no difference – only the whistle trout were interested.   Louie did hook into one steelhead but since he had no idea what he was doing, he lost it.  The dumb ass – the only decent fish we were gonna see in those conditions and he lost it! On Friday, Louie puts on his new Patagonia waders, his new Patagonia, jacket, his new Patagonia whatever, . . . and one very shitty pair of boots.  At the end of the day, the boots had to go.  On Saturday, we went to Grindstone for new boots and Louie was outfitted with a new pair of Weinbrenners.  We’re suiting up and there’s Louie in his Patagonias (Orvis is officially fashion history) and there he is in his new boots, all set to fish with the tags still attached.  And I fish with this guy!!!!! Greg’s a little bemused by all of this and he’s beginning to wonder what he’s getting himself into.  I try to reassure him but the damage has been done.  Anyway we went, we came, we saw, we left defeated. Now we sit, drowning our sorrows in what ever is handy, ice wine, bordeaux, Macallans, Wild Turkey – hell, you make do with what you have. Cheers Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Louie did hook into one steelhead but since he had no idea what he was doing, he lost it.  The dumb ass – the only decent fish we were gonna see in those conditions and he lost it!

Well is he hooked? On Friday, Louie puts on his new Patagonia waders, his new Patagonia, jacket, his new Patagonia whatever

Speaking of Patagonia, I was fishing the surf a few weeks ago when suddenly all these people show up with fly gear.  I was packing up after having caught a croaker.  I never did too well in this spot and never saw anyone else fly fishing so it was a bit of a surprise to realize that I’m not the only fool who likes to hang around a polluted river mouth whipping tungsten-laden PVC through the air at the end of a graphite stick.  Turns out they work at Patagonia and often conduct *field research* after work. Mu

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On Friday, Louie puts on his new Patagonia waders, his new Patagonia, jacket, his new Patagonia whatever, . . . and one very shitty pair of boots.  At the end of the day, the boots had to go.  On Saturday, we went to Grindstone for new boots and Louie was outfitted with a new pair of Weinbrenners.  We’re suiting up and there’s Louie in his Patagonias (Orvis is officially fashion history) and there he is in his new boots, all set to fish with the tags still attached.  And I fish with this guy!!!!!

Peter, part of the art of flyfishing is *lookg* right. Any one who looks the part earns the comment -"There’s a real fly fisher" If no fish are caught then it’s the dumb fish’s fault! I’ll bet the accommodation was first class though. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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But the government did many things for me just today. etc.

GOOD response.  We so often bite the hand that is suppplying our needs. Chuck Mealey Archer 2185B

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In article xyz, (yet another NGrouper) writes: But the government did many things for me just today. GOOD response.  We so often bite the hand that is suppplying our needs.

Pitiful, just pitiful. Why is it so easy for some people to ignore that "the government did many things (TO) me just today"? It’s a healthy thing to take a regular and enthusiastic nip at "the hand that is supplying our ‘needs’". Where do you think the other hand is meanwhile? Jack

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When was the last time the government took you out to a nice dinner, or did anything for you, for that matter!!  ;)  

The government hasn’t bought me a dinner since I got our of the marines in 1954.   But the government did many things for me just today.  It provided a wx report so I could decide to go fishing. It forced a nearby chemical company to stop polluting the stream so I could fish there in safety. It built roads from my house to that trout stream.  It installed traffic lights to keep people from  smacking into me as I drove along.  I passed a prison where the government keeps many people locked up so they can’t break into my home.   I didn’t fly today, but when I do, I get even more detailed wx information and can file an ifr flight plan and be provided the services of a number of government employees to assist me in conducting aa safe flight to my destination. Yes, I helped pay for all those things the government did for me, because there isn’t anyone but us citizens to pay for them.  I don’t always get my money’s worth from Uncle Sam, but I don’t always get it from private-enterprise business firms, either!   There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. vince norris

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the stc and tso on drano is needed but then a licensed a&p is also needed along with a 337 and a blessing from the fsdo. if you don’t know what all these mean you can’t afford a plane **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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Instead of flushing the grand down the toilet, I take the $1000 and buy something neat for my plane and that way I NEVER have bad feelings about where the money went…. Garrett

Well, you’re on the right track.  But what you really need is a short course in Gormanomics (the patented Jim Gorman approach to rationalizing an airplane…or any other absurd expenditure.)  Here’s how it works. Say something goes wrong and your mechanic tells you it’s going to cost $1,000 to replace it.  Oh no!  You don’t have $1,000 or anywhere near it. What are you going to do? Well, you find out that you can have it repaired for $400.  Presto!  You thought you were out $1,000 (that you didn’t have).  Now you’re only out $400 (that you also didn’t have).  But that means you’ve saved $600 from the amount you originally thought you were screwed.  So now you’ve got an extra $600 to blow on something like a new headset or a handheld GPS. Now for the advanced course in Gormanomics:  If you can find that $600 headset on sale for $500, you’ll save an additional $100 which you can now use to take your spouse out for a nice dinner so you don’t feel guilty for blowing all that money on the plane.  Now you’ve got a repaired gizmo, a new headset and a happy spouse. Now, wasn’t that easy?

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Well, you find out that you can have it repaired for $400.  Presto!  You thought you were out $1,000 (that you didn’t have).  Now you’re only out $400 (that you also didn’t have).  But that means you’ve saved $600 from the amount you originally thought you were screwed.  So now you’ve got an extra $600 to blow on something like a new headset or a handheld GPS. Now for the advanced course in Gormanomics:  If you can find that $600 headset on sale for $500, you’ll save an additional $100 which you can now use to take your spouse out for a nice dinner so you don’t feel guilty for blowing all that money on the plane.  Now you’ve got a repaired gizmo, a new headset and a happy spouse.

Uhm, Jim isn’t that how the government budget surplus works, too? Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Instead of flushing the grand down the toilet, I take the $1000 and buy something neat for my plane and that way I NEVER have bad feelings about where the money went…. Garrett Well, you’re on the right track.  But what you really need is a short course in Gormanomics (the patented Jim Gorman approach to rationalizing an airplane…or any other absurd expenditure.)  Here’s how it works. Say something goes wrong and your mechanic tells you it’s going to cost $1,000 to replace it.  Oh no!  You don’t have $1,000 or anywhere near it. What are you going to do? Well, you find out that you can have it repaired for $400.  Presto! You thought you were out $1,000 (that you didn’t have).  Now you’re only out $400 (that you also didn’t have).  But that means you’ve saved $600 from the amount you originally thought you were screwed.  So now you’ve got an extra $600 to blow on something like a new headset or a handheld GPS. Now for the advanced course in Gormanomics:  If you can find that $600 headset on sale for $500, you’ll save an additional $100 which you can now use to take your spouse out for a nice dinner so you don’t feel guilty for blowing all that money on the plane.  Now you’ve got a repaired gizmo, a new headset and a happy spouse. Now, wasn’t that easy?

Your right, it’s very straightforward.  In fact, from what I understand, this is exactly how Congress does it when they say tax ‘cuts’ and budget ‘cuts’! –Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Can you afford an airplane? Do this test. Take a $1000 bill (you DO have a $1000 bill dont you?), and flush it down the toilet. If it hurts, you can’t afford an airplane, if it doesn’t hurt too bad, you can probably afford one.

What does strength (holding on against the suction) have to do with affording an airplane?

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Can you afford an airplane? Do this test. Take a $1000 bill (you DO have a $1000 bill dont you?), and flush it down the toilet. If it hurts, you can’t afford an airplane, if it doesn’t hurt too bad, you can probably afford one.

I think Drano puts out a special formula product to unclog toilets that have had this test performed. The only bad part is it costs $999.95

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Hmm.  I thought you supposed to burn the $1000’s.  I knew I was doing something wrong!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you afford an airplane? Do this test. Take a $1000 bill (you DO have a $1000 bill dont you?), and flush it down the toilet. If it hurts, you can’t afford an airplane, if it doesn’t hurt too bad, you can probably afford one.

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Is that the special STC’d and TSO’d Drano???? **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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Instead of flushing the grand down the toilet, I take the $1000 and buy something neat for my plane and that way I NEVER have bad feelings about where the money went…. Garrett

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My plumber … he has an airplane … think I know how he got it now … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is that the special STC’d and TSO’d Drano???? **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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Except that they forget about the part of making everybody happy.  When was the last time the government took you out to a nice dinner, or did anything for you, for that matter!!  ;)   If you can remember this, you are probably too old to pass the medical, so don’t bother to buy the airplane! Your right, it’s very straightforward.  In fact, from what I understand, this is exactly how Congress does it when they say tax ‘cuts’ and budget ‘cuts’! –Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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IF GOD HAD WANTED MAN TO FLY HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM MONEY!!!! says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can you afford an airplane? Do this test. Take a $1000 bill (you DO have a $1000 bill dont you?), and flush it down the toilet. If it hurts, you can’t afford an airplane, if it doesn’t hurt too bad, you can probably afford one.

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I’ll be in Cork, Ireland the week of May 10th and am trying to decide whether or not to stay a few extra days for some flyfishing for native browns. I ran the standard searches thru dejanews and hotbot and found some interesting March salmon info but not much for May browns. I called the Cork fisheries guy for some info but any suggestions for books or web sites or guides or lodges? Thanks, Doug

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Get hold of PeterO’Reilly’s books on the Rivers; Loughs and Flies of Ireland (all published by Merlin Unwin books). The Suir, in Co. Waterford (east of Co. Cork) is -in many opinions- one of the best wild brown trout rivers in Europe. Try Andrew Ryan at www.flyfishingireland.com Tight lines Tony D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Cork, Ireland the week of May 10th …. etc. (snipped)

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Anyone care to share their opinion on when they feel is the best time of day to fly fish for browns?

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Anyone care to share their opinion on when they feel is the best time of day to fly fish for browns?

Hi         Brown’s are generally nocturnal feeders. Evening around dusk is when I fish them. Have my best luck then. Up here we are fighting for a night time fishery for them. We have suceeded in certain areas. Take Care and Tight Lines Joel Sampson Micro Computer Co-ordinator Computer Services Saint Mary’s University 923 Robie Street Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada (p) (902) 420-5880 (f) (902) 496-8103 http://140.184.111.30/default.htm

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Anyone care to share their opinion on when they feel is the best time of day to fly fish for browns?         Sure, NIGHT.  Late.  After midnight.  No better time to catch the King of the road. JE

Just before dark, or right at nightfall. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Anyone care to share their opinion on when they feel is the best time of day to fly fish for browns?         Sure, NIGHT.  Late.  After midnight.  No better time to catch the King of the road. JE

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Anyone care to share their opinion on when they feel is the best time of day to fly fish for browns?

…Try night fishing…unless your happy just catching the little ones!

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I’ve heard a lot about Boca Grande of late and thought I might like to check it out.  I would appreciate any recommendations of, or warnings about, lodging and guides. Thanks WAL

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TRY Boca Grande Real Estate.They can be found on the iternet Keyword Boca Grande. I have used them for six years ,great service and rentals are great.You can also find there 800# in Florida Sportsman. Email GOOD Luck

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TRY Boca Grande Real Estate.They can be found on the iternet Keyword Boca Grande. I have used them for six years ,great service and rentals are great.You can also find there 800# in Florida Sportsman. Email GOOD Luck

_______BOCA GRANDE is very expensive.  Your money is taken from you by the pound.  If you can, use a camper-trailer or mobil home.  The camp sites are much more reasonable and you can move around better.   George — MZ

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I’ve heard a lot about Boca Grande of late and thought I might like to check it out.  I would appreciate any recommendations of, or warnings about, lodging and guides. Thanks WAL

I have fished Boca Grande and its surrounding waters for many years.  In general, the island of Gasparilla, where the city of Boca Grande (named for the adjoining pass) is located, can be on the expensive side.  You might want to check out this site for Pine Island and surrounding areas. The northern tip of Pine Island is located just a few miles east of Boca Grande pass.  This site gives a particularly good description of the history and attractions of this general area. http://www.pineislandfl.com/ If you like roughing it, you might want to consider Cayo Costa (a Florida State Park). Cayo Costa is the barrier island that makes up the southern shore of Boca Grande pass.  Access to this island is by boat only, although there are frequent passenger ferry trips (no cars) from Pine Island.  See these sites: http://www.atlantagames.com./south/getaway/cayo.htm http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/southwest/cayo.html Boca Grande, the pass, is a major inlet to Charlotte Harbor. The pass itself is noted mostly for its Tarpon fishing which is at its best starting in late April thought early June.  The waters inside (east) of the pass, i.e. Charlotte Harbor and its tributaries and adjoining bays, are noted for some of the best backcountry fishing for Snook, Redfish, and Spotted Sea Trout (Speckled Trout) in this country.  There are many good guides in the area.  However, I usually guide myself and, with one exception, am not able to help you there.  Several years ago, I did hire a guide, a Captain Bill Miller, to take a visiting family member and myself for a day of backcountry fly fishing.  It was an excellent trip with many redfish and trout being caught (that’s what we were looking for) and we were impressed with the knowledge and skills of the guide. I don’t know if Bill is still guiding in the area or not, but he specializes in fly fishing for everything from tarpon to trout.  He even released a video tape several years ago that might still be avaliable. Its title is "The Complete Guide to Tarpon Fishing With Artificials". A good site for Boca Grande and Gasparilla Island can be found here: http://www.cyberstreet.com/ccfsbo/bocagran.htm Hope this helps…

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I went fishing for Stripers last Friday on the Sacramento River between Decker Island and Rio Vista.  I didn’t have a boat, so I fished off of the banks using blood worms.  I had a few bites, but didn’t catch any fish. Does anyone have experience fishing the Delta for Stripers from shore? What baits, presentations, locations, tides do you fish, and has fishing been good off of the banks recently?  I drove quite a bit on Friday, and only saw a handful of fisherman fishing from the shores. Thanks, KenP

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It’s really frustrating to fish stripers in the river with a boat, much less off the shore. You’d be better of in the Amercian river. There are more "hole" where the fish stop and concentrate. Some of the fly fishing shop in Sac are good resources to tell you where to go, as fly fishing for stripers is becomming really popular.

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.            

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.

Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S. Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

Good info Jim, I would add the Namakogen (sp?) in Northwest WI. Vince

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.  

        I would recommend that you contact Dennis Graupe at the Spring Creek Angler in Coon Valley WI. (608-452-3430). Tell him that John Myers sent you. Note that the WI season closes 9/30/96.                                 j.m.          

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Science in most situations I use a canoe for fishing, I don’t go : beyond 6 ft. rods (exept for fly fishing), but the lenght is not the : question.  Untill now I used Fenwick Legacy or Walleye Class for : vertical jigging. They are too flexible for a precise hooking. What I : need is a sensitive and stiff pro-rated rod. I wonder if someone has : expierience with good quality rod designed for vertical jigging? :  St. Croix has a series of rods it calls "Legend" that includes a selection  in the 6 – 7 foot range that I think are very good for jigging: they are  light, sensitive, yet quite stiff.  They are also rugged.  Some of the local  guides use the 7′ 4-8 lb test model, rated as "light" by St. Croix, for  steelhead and lake trout.  greg pavlov

Also St. Croix has a line of fine fiberglass rods, I forget the exact model but their the lightest fiberglass I have ever held, and I believe glass rods are a better set up for fast moving baits….. more forgiving than graphite!!!!! Jerry

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: : Also St. Croix has a line of fine fiberglass rods, I forget the exact : model but their the lightest fiberglass I have ever held, and I : believe glass rods are a better set up for fast moving baits….. more : forgiving than graphite!!!!! I just went to one of those Bass Techniques classes that has seminars by several of the pros. Highly recommended by the way and I think I might go again next year. Anyways I was fortunate enough to have David Fritts as a speaker on crankbaits. For those of you who don’t know (there might be one) David is kind of the king of crankbaits on the tour. He was adamant about using fiberglass rods for crankbaiting. He said a slow fiberglass rod gives the fish a chance to swallow the bait before there is much tension resulting in a much better hookup. Soooo guess what I am doing Monday morning… Lets see 1-800-basspro… FWIW. Good fishing, — All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Fish, fish, and more fish… 48326

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anyone have current conditions on knights ferry area of stanislaus thanks in advance

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Hey Ken , are you out there…? You should try Ken Lindsay at flyfishing online.  He will surely be able to help you out. I can’t find his address or # right now but he should be listed. Cheers — gp

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(Carlton Fung) writes: anyone have current conditions on knights ferry area of stanislaus thanks in advance

Yes,  it’s closed right now.  Opens back up the first of the year.  That section of the river is closed between Oct. 15th and Jan. 1st each year to allow the salmon to make their spawning run.  I believe the upper part of the Stan around Big Trees is still open, but you need to check the reg’s to be sure.

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check the regs – I believe the Stanislaus is closed until the end of the   year for the salmon to spawn.         gr

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I beleive the upper part of the Stan closes November 15.–Crashjibe

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Will be in L.A. last two weeks in January.  Would greatly appreciate any and all information and recommendations on good fishing within a one day range of LA. city limits

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writes: Will be in L.A. last two weeks in January.  Would greatly appreciate any and all information and recommendations on good fishing within a one day range of LA. city limits

Ocean or freshwater. Fly fishing only?

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on Thanks Fishing the Green in Utah

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

You might consider getting in contact with Alan Dechovitz on AOL, his handle is Caribe Duo. He already runs two nets a month. Currently they are held on the first tuesday and third sunday on each month. He is expanding the net to include guest speakers for Febuary and March. See ya, Bob

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INTERESTED

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I am on AOL. My screen name is Fishingfly. From S.E. Idaho. I am very interested in a chat. Also holding Eastern Idaho fly tying expo in Pocatello on April 8 at the Quality Inn. 70 top tyers from the west  

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interested in this

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I am AOL my screen name is Fishingfly. My name is Chuck Collins. I am from Pocatello, Idaho. Would be interested in Chat.

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Hi E.- I’m currently on Compuserve and AOL in a comparison mode.  My current thinking is AOl between the two but I am seriously condidering Internet instead of either of them.  Cheaper for me thru the U of Minn connection. However, I am always interested in talking flyfishing and I may stay with AOL.  CIS is just too damned expensive  -  almost twice the hourly cost for chat lines or BBS’s. I’ll be watching to see if you get something going. John Bjostad in Mpls

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Prefer CompuServe.

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Im interested my screen name is VinceT1027 contact me on AOL!!!

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sounds like a good idea let me know if it gets going

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im interested. im a ff. i sub to aol.

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i work for mk.  i am in seattle. im a ff. i would very much like a chat line in aol.  i am learning ff.

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An AOL chat line sounds good to me. You can get a rise out of me at tight lines! the bobinator   The Bobinator

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Yes This would be great so that we could pass informatiom around on where it is hot and where it is not.

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I’m interested, MG caddis

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I’m definitely interested. On AOL.  From MA.  Both fresh and salywater flyfishing.  Let me Know how it works out.                                                              Feltsole

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Ready any evening.

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

As a subscriber of prodigy, please enter my interest in a bb or chat – great idea!

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I would really enjoy a conference room on AOL. Contact me when something develops. Thanks, PresG

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My screen name is DON1RENO I am interested in a room and maybe holding some seminars or workshops online for those hideous nights after work

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For all who wanted a Chat Room. AOL Keyword GS OTHER, Enter "Other Sports", highlight Chat Rooms, Choose Sports Rooms and then enter "Sideline" I’m not real sure what goes on in sidelines, but lets meet there Sat. evening at around 9:00PM EST. If need be, maybe we’ll just have to take it over for awhile. I want to thank all of you for your help and support in this, I’ve had about 40 replys. Thjanks

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Tight Lines and Screaming Reels Southern Style! Let me know Phil B.

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MartinR100 at AOL, would be interested.

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you got a rise out of me. i would like to be able to have real-time conversations on aol with persons who are hooked on flyfishing like me. stan in ca stan in ca

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