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What type of reel do you use?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries.

So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\ The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. So do we owe you a belated congratulations?

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries.

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Chev or Ford?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

Hey, wow, that’s pretty darned good……except you misspelled "cheeks". Wolfgang interesting name, is that portugese?

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\ If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is.\

The problem isnt having one or two children. The problem is immigration and having 5 children at a pop similar to other situations in third wolrd countries. But I do see your point.

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forcing boogeyman religion on someone. my creator is between my legs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – \ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\ The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\ I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars.

If you want your grandkids to know that, don’t have any kids… This isn’t a joke, it is a solution to the problem you have with our world as it is. Dale Anderson Durango, Colorado

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\ Most Americans, being normal people who worship the Creator in some manner or another, rather than the creations, don’t know what a "roadless rule" is, let alone support it.\

The creator and it’s creations are one in the same.  who are you to judge? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans you right wing fascist. Of course, you and your selfish, gluttony kind want to use up everything here because "it doesnt matter. We are all going to a better place in the end". Foolish. \Why don’t you go live in the damn woods and worship your damn trees and leave normal people alone?  H Y P O C R I T E.\

I dont worship trees, and I advocate logging. What I dont advocate is selfish lazy bastards who want to European-ize America making every last corenr tame and Walmartized. Id like my grandkids to be able to know at least a tiny bit of the land is still wild, and the night sky is still filled with many stars. I just want a little balance. \" The greatest thing about a tree god created is what man can do with it after it is cut down".   – Rush Limbaugh \ Brilliant. Never mind trees provide us with oxygen and a cooling effect on our climate. You quote true idiocy.

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To anyone that replies to this, please remove rec.outdoors.fishing.fly from the send to list.

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America.

OK, I’ll bite.  What’s a roadless rule?  -Dave — On hotmail dot com, I am user "junknothankyou".

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Hearing the overwhelming voice of the American people,  a bi-partisan bill was introduced to enact the Roadless Rule in law. The bill already  has 172 votes in the house.  Im glad to see SOME politicians still care about the wishes of the people of America. Also, Bush again tries to make taxpayers  pay for corporate pollution. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2444-2002Jun5.html do Nothing Bush: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/06/opinion/06HERB.html Air Force Col suspended for bad mouthing Bush: http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/3393351.htm — Sent by  arvon45 from yahoo included in com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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I have noticed today that there are  some personal items of Gary LaFontaine up for auction. I know he is struggling with ALS (I believe) but I really hope that his family isn’t having to sell his personal possessions to meet medical costs associated with his illness. I don’t want to start a bitch session about HMOs and the like, but if this is the case it’s pretty bloody awful.

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I have noticed today that there are  some personal items of Gary LaFontaine up for auction. I know he is struggling with ALS (I believe) but I really hope that his family isn’t having to sell his personal possessions to meet medical costs associated with his illness. I don’t want to start a bitch session about HMOs and the like, but if this is the case it’s pretty bloody awful.

This is sad. There’s no cure for ALS and it’s a terrible, painful way to die. I recently read Gary’s book about fishing the high country lakes. I enjoyed it very much and recommend it highly. One thing that came across in the book was how much he loved the extreme physical exertion of that kind of fishing. I’d be honored to give one of Gary’s legendary fishing dogs a home, if it needs one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I read in the letters column of Flyfishing and Tying Journal that one of the publishers was hosting a fund for Gary.  I’ll try to pick up the address Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed today that there are  some personal items of Gary LaFontaine up for auction. I know he is struggling with ALS (I believe) but I really hope that his family isn’t having to sell his personal possessions to meet medical costs associated with his illness. I don’t want to start a bitch session about HMOs and the like, but if this is the case it’s pretty bloody awful. This is sad. There’s no cure for ALS and it’s a terrible, painful way to die. I recently read Gary’s book about fishing the high country lakes. I enjoyed it very much and recommend it highly. One thing that came across in the book was how much he loved the extreme physical exertion of that kind of fishing. I’d be honored to give one of Gary’s legendary fishing dogs a home, if it needs one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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(AJH)

Walked to the top of the mount and shouted for all to hear: Tony G. the troll is back, ignore him he may go away.

Maybe I’m just warped, but that was some of the funniest stuff I’ve read in a long time.  Too much of it would get boring, but it sure broke me up.

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Keep yer poly-ticks off the lake and outta this ng.  Well, maybe not off the lake, but definitely out of this news group.

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Tony G. the troll is back, ignore him he may go away.

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Please don’t vote at all Tony, your just to stupid to help any one out so just sit at your pacifier I mean keyboard and stay away from the polls this year, stay away from the model glue too while your at it. PS Felons can’t vote any way keep that in mind Walter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Vote for Nader! The man is real. I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired. He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin. I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS. An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house. I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also

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I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired.  He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin.  I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS.  An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house.  I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also appreciate the fifth admendment, but please try to keep it clean. Thanks, Brian (Webmaster for Carl Coleman) Answer posted by Brian on 03/16/98 An finally this is me when them punks and bum push my buttons wrong: Question Posted by Tony G. on 04/14/98 THEN ANOTHER TIME IM FISHIN THE DEEP WATER DOWN FROM THE PUBLIC ACCESS SOME MORON TEENAGER COMES ROARIN AT ME WITH A LITTLE ROWBOAT AN AN OUTBORED I WAVED EM OFF HE KEPT COMIN I WAS SO MAD I THOUGHT I COULD WALK ACROSS THE WATER TO THAT DIRTY SO ANSO I TOLD HIM YOU KEEP THAT DIRTY SONOFAWHORE OUTTA MY FACE OR YOURE GONNA BE IN THE DRINK SO FAST YOUR HEADL BE SPINNIN YOU DIRTY LITTLE PUNK AND ILL SEND YOURE LITTLE WATERSCOOTER THERE DOWN TO THE LAKE WITHOUT … read more »

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    Vote for Nader! The man is real. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired.  He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin.  I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS.  An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house.  I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also appreciate the fifth admendment, but please try to keep it clean. Thanks, Brian (Webmaster for Carl Coleman) Answer posted by Brian on 03/16/98 An finally this is me when them punks and bum push my buttons wrong: Question Posted by Tony G. on 04/14/98 THEN ANOTHER TIME IM FISHIN THE DEEP WATER DOWN FROM THE PUBLIC ACCESS SOME MORON

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So tell me…. What does this have to do with ROFB? Rob.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired. He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin.  I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS.  An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house.  I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also appreciate the fifth admendment, but please try to keep it clean. Thanks, Brian (Webmaster for Carl Coleman) Answer posted by Brian on 03/16/98 An finally this is me when them punks and bum push my buttons wrong:

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Phew. Good story. How about more of this? Who out there among us has ever written a story for publication, only to have it rejected by some pip-squeek assistant editor? Why not publish yourself on the web? right here? This beats the hell out of C&R pissing. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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Why not publish yourself on the web? right here?

What, and give away blood, sweat & tears FOR FREE ? My literary agent would have a coronary. — Ken Fortenberry

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‘There’s nothing like making a definitive stement on the net to provehow wrong you are’

Too true, too true!

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Seemingly oblivious to the arcane machinations and unexplainable antics of a veritable host of erstwhile anglers, walkers, canoers, frustrated lovers, and usually inebriated potential suicides on the bridge above, the large and reputedly ancient trout lay just below the second brick foundation of the first bridge arch.  According to local folklore he weighed in excess of ten pounds, but he was apparently oblivious of his fame as well.   He rose occasionally and slurped a particularly inviting morsel from the calm lane at the side of the fast water caused by the water rushing through the narrows of the arch.

(remarkable story snipped) Allright, then, Mike, would it be true? Which part did you play? Mark Faulkner

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(remarkable story snipped) Allright, then, Mike, would it be true? Which part did you play? Mark Faulkner

Perfectly true, I know, I was that trout ! TL MC

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Damn bait fisherman!  We need more bartenders like that around all trout streams! Warren

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Seemingly oblivious to the arcane machinations and unexplainable antics of a veritable host of erstwhile anglers, walkers, canoers, frustrated lovers, and usually inebriated potential suicides on the bridge above, the large and reputedly ancient trout lay just below the second brick foundation of the first bridge arch.  According to local folklore he weighed in excess of ten pounds, but he was apparently oblivious of his fame as well.   He rose occasionally and slurped a particularly inviting morsel from the calm lane at the side of the fast water caused by the water rushing through the narrows of the arch. If some of the local worthies were to be believed he had been doing this every summer for the last ten years. Experts and tyros, men of letters, small boys with worms,  although the water was fly only, and even lowly poachers,  had all attempted the difficult cast at one time or another over the years, some even successfully, the jaw of the fish was laced with white scars easily visible in the clear water, testimony to the "barbs and arrows of outrageous fortune" to which he had been subjected and which he now bore with seeming nonchalance, perhaps even truculent pride. A hard won but most excellent education.  In the "Stag

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I’d like to hear your thoughts on a new project I’ve been working on, any suggestions would really help. The idea is to take people fishing or hunting in a corporate aircraft up north or anywhere, instead of driving or taking the airlines and then a bush plane. I can fly people right into the lodges. I just want to hear what you guys think of this. For example I can take people to the James Bay area or Middle Quebec round trip for about $2950 canadian, or $1925 US for three days. I can take a maximum of four people in an executive cabin, so that could mean only $481 US each if there is four of you, each extra day would cost $135 US / day since the aircraft is grounded. Not bad eh! I can fly into any airport up there. Most lodges and guides have small strips which are easily accessible. I can even take Americans from the US into Canada. All trips of course being very flexible and up to you to plan. The aircraft is a pressurized twin Cessna 340A model used for executive and general charters out of Toronto. Please let me know what any of you think. This is in no way a publicity stunt but a way for me to find out if these trips can work out. Thank you and good fishing Ian Mathers

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Not sure of that out of Toronto.  But I know some American that might go for it. Ron

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        Can anyone offer any suggestions of fly-in camping-fishing-hunting-etc. locations?  Looking for get-away weekend stuff for my son and I  to try.   NC, SC, VA areas most appealing, but any would be of interest. Gene

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Ocracoke NC and Cherry Springs state park PA are two of our favorites. – Rod Farlee

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how

You cannot subscribe or unsubscribe from an open newsgroup (e.g. rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  It is always there, whether you go into it or not.  If you have used your Internet node software to select some "favourite" newsgroups that are speedily retrieved for you, you should be able to revise it to suit yourself. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

functions of the software that you’re using.  For instance, in Navigator, you just ‘uncheck’ the group name. — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada **new**     http://home.ican.net/~rlundy/

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Before the present day method of line nomenclature (e.g. WT5, DT6…etc..) there was a different way to describe line weights and types. Does anyone have details on the old system? I run across old lines and rods and would like to know exactly what I am looking at.

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Bruce Richards from Scientific Anglers has written a short book on Modern Fly Lines as part of Lefty Kreh’s Little Library of Fly Fishing.  It has a biref section (pp. 32-37) on standardization of fly line weights, including a translation table. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Before the present day method of line nomenclature (e.g. WT5, DT6…etc..) there was a different way to describe line weights and types. Does anyone have details on the old system? I run across old lines and rods and would like to know exactly what I am looking at.

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Try McClaines Fishing Encyclopedia, I think he has a run down on this subject. Phil

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

Len Codela of Turner’s Falls, Massachusetts can appraise it if you send it to him.  His current catalog lists South Bend rods anywhere from $100 or less to $400 or so.  There were many different levels of quality of South Bend rods. His prices are slightly high as he caters to collectors as much as fishers.  Call either 508 or 433-555-1212 to get his number I’m not sure which area code. As this is a fishing more than a collecting forum,  I say the real value is how it feels to fish.  Try out different lines with it if you can, then take it fishing.  If it sings the line out like poetry as smooth as twenty year Scotch, it’s priceless for fishing and that is it’s inspired destiny. Don’t incarcerate it. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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I just purchased a mint condition South Bend bamboo 9′ fly rod.  Does anyone know the value of a rod like this, or know how I can find out the value.  

I’ve got one of these guys.  There more valuable as a fishing tool, albeit a very heavy one, than they are collectible.  Interestingly the South Bend company was started by Wes Jordan (later of Orvis fame) though the rods produced were mediocre at best.  Still, I fish mine a couple of times a year for half a day or so (really a heavy rod).  I’d say go fish it!                                                                      Dan

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

Hi Mike, Teaching yourself is definitely worth the effort.  You can certainly learn enough to catch a few fish.  Then find a friend to go with you that has fly fishing experience and just watch for a while.  Ask questions… Swap flys. The Poul Jorgenson videos on tying are very good and the Lefty Kreh casting tapes are good as well.  I found a book called "Fly Fisherman’s Bible" that gives very good basic techniques for dry, wet, streamer and nymph flys.  But I must admit, I did not begin to understand wet flys until I read Bergman.   I have been very fortunate to have a wonderful friend, fishing buddy and teacher.  He has taught me so much and saved me years, literally, in fishing trips through his experiences.   Hi John!  (grin)! Thanks, Bob

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Mike— Glad to see you starting out.While you can teach yourself with the help of many fine pieces of literature out there,a casting class combined with a guided excursion or fishing class will pay high dividends as well as the fun you will have.   Also check for local clubs as they offer a wealth of info at little or no charge as well as the ability to meet people and a possible partner.     At any rate ,I hope to see ya on the river!                                      tight loops!!  D.Davy

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flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated.

It is posible to become an inelegant, fish-catching caster by standing in the middle of a lawn with your rod in one hand and an instruction book in the other.  Scientific Anglers put out a magazine format intro text that is worth much more than the $3.95 they charge.  If you want a real book, though, pick up Roderick Haig-Brown’s "Primer of Flyfishing".  His explanations are as easy and fluid as a good cast.  The book was written in 1964, but the essentials have not changed in the last 30 years. If you meet someone who is catching fish, quickly reread the chapter on stream etiquette and introduce yourself.  There is no substitute for liveware. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

I started Fly-fishing about two years ago.  My first move was to make contact with a friend of a friend who knew his stuff.  That I think was the best move, he was very helpful and I was able to branch off to other aspects of the sport since then. If you don’t have any acquaintences who enjoy the sport, maybe seek out an experienced guide, or take a class. If you are going to enjoy the sport to its fullest potential, have an experienced angler show you the ropes Good Luck and enjoy. Ben

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

Very lucky!! Get a copy of the Curtis Creek Manifesto, and read it and take its advice. Then, find somebody who already knows how to flyfish, and ask them to take you out, then buy them a beer or something afterwards. Have fun! Tim

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

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