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Wolfgang writes:  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot.

and yours is better, my man. Had real pretty knots fishing on Thursday. You should be proud!                    your grateful Clavemeister

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By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :)

and you didn’t push – you’re all slipping. I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks!

So they ran outta names – not an erudite lot, eh? Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year.

Can we give it back after? (hate to be stuck with a noow yawk) I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said.

He’s had too many lessons, that’s the problem. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon.

any blood splats? For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand.

sorry, no gerbil here – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived.

from what I heard, a lot got shot as well However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :(

wazzat you? I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

Louie has a real dumbfuck picture of you.  better pay him off real quick. Cheers Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Wolfgang writes:  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. and yours is better, my man. Had real pretty knots fishing on Thursday. You should be proud!                    your grateful Clavemeister

Delighted to be of service!  It DOES sort of highlight the difficulties inherent in this medium though, don’t it?       Wolfgang o.k., so, would someone please explai……ah shit, never mind.    

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Great report, Wolfie. I look forward to my first opportunity to attend a clave. -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :) I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks! Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year. I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon. For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand. I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived. However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :( I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

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By now, the second annual Penn’s creek clave is mostly history and well chronicled at that.  However, there remain a few items worthy of note. Snapshot:  Half a dozen or so guys stand on a bridge, munching hot dogs thoughtfully provided and cooked by Mike Shaw, and watching one of their brothers kneeling on the bank, casting repeatedly to a sporadically rising fish.  Many suggestions about where to put the fly are offered, as well as commentary on casting technique.  No one says anything but one thought looms in all minds……lean forward just a bit more, Frank….just a wee bit more!      :) I sat on the bank of Pine creek next to Tom Littleton one evening while waiting for a hatch to come off and watched him make a couple of desultory casts to pass the time.  After a few moments I politely inquired, "What the fuck did you do to that leader?"  Evidently, there is more than one way to tie a "surgeon’s" knot. I want to talk to the Pennsylvania Guy Who Names Things.  A "creek" might be adequate to render a Suburban invisible but should not be large enough to hide a suburb in. Ya’ll got too many Pine creeks! Had this event been held the third week in June, with it’s longer days, me and Asadi might have had just about enough daylight to discover New York and plant the ROFFian flag, thus claiming it as our own for all time…..maybe next year. I caught a brookie on an orange caddis provided by George Cleveland.  I win!  Thanks, George. Snapshot:  Wayno wears running bras.  Boy needs a lesson in anatomy, though.  Nuff said. The typical coloration of a whitetail deer faun provides excellent camouflage and it’s practice of sitting motionless is a time tested survival strategy……in its native habitat…..sucks on a gray gravel road though.  Photos available soon. For those who have not yet heard:  I misplaced my Gerber (not to be confused with gerbil) multitool….one of those collapsible combination pliers, bottle opener, knife, etc., etc., thingies.  If it turns up anywhere, I will consider any reasonable ransom demand. I fished my new fly rod for the first time….seven and a half foot, three weight, built on a St. Croix Legend Ultra blank by our own Joel Axelrad…..sweet, VERY sweet!  Thank you Joel (who will not see this for some time as he is presumably somewhere in Minnesota, en route to the Prairie Pike Clave). Everybody who attends a ROFFian clave brings (and/or purchases on site) more beer and/or distilled spirits than he himself consumes.  This is the best evidence to date of some sort of cross dimensional transport. Hail does NOT improve the fishing! Pennsylvania blackflies suck just like our version up here in the Great Lakes region.    :( Don’t bother fishing Lyman lake.   No fish.  Not all that surprising, come to think of it….. no water. Frog’s Fanny works. Having just completed the calculations, I am pleased to announce that Frank Reid’s fly box has a surface area of about 3.63 acres. Just prior to my departure for home yesterday, I returned to Mike Makela the bulk of the half cord of toilet paper with which he supplied the clavesters…..evidently we all went home as full of shit as when we arrived. However they may state it, most ROFFians believe that their chosen avocation is a means of getting closer to God, or some such metaphysical rumination.  I got real close the other day.  He yelled at me….said, "GET THE HELL OUT OF MY CREEK!", or something to that effect.  I listened……FAST!      :( I enjoyed the week immensely.  It was great to catch up with friends and make new ones.  Shit, even Willi isn’t near as mean in person as he looks on ROFF! Wolfgang and pj really IS a sweetheart!

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I have a friend who’s been breaking my balls about how he’s been hooking up consistently with winter largemouths.(He’s a spin fisherman)The winters haven’t been very cold in the northeast lately so many lakes and ponds have yet to freeze over.I’ve tried a few different things with my flytackle but I haven’t been able to hook up.I did get a bass once two years ago,while fishing for hatcheries,using a large dry with a hares ear dropper size 12.If anyone out there is having sucess in this area I’d appreciate the info.I want to shove a nice size bass right in that smug bastards face.

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Even if the water hasn’t frozen, you need to go deep and slow for these northern winter largemouths. Not really what you would call typical fly-fishing.  You might want to try a slow sinking line.  It would take forever to get your fly down into the strike zone but unlike a fast sink line you’ll be able to fish slowly and still keep the fly in the fish zone once it gets down there. A Carolina rigged plastic worm or salamander would be my recommendation. Mu

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I am in the south fishing in temps of the 40’s.Tp our bass thats the same as hanging out wit Ms. Pauls. I go to a pattern I tie called a Crystal Puff. It is White long cactus chanille head with X lg bead chain eyes, with a tail of whit bucktail and crystal flash with wide white hackle feathers (3 together on each side) or my favorite silver badger feathers. All of this on a mustad 2/0 – 3/0 hook #7766 Fish it slow with quick darts. On days that the temp does rise look for flats and shoals with dark bottoms with EZ access to deep drop offs. They will come up to warm up there. Good luck. It has been working for me.

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Well, it’s been a couple weeks since the idea lit up, caught fire briefly and fizzled, so I thought I’d try posting a reminder. For you newbies: I am compiling a directory of ROFF members, initially to allow ROFF members travelling to another state to maybe look up a fellow member to share some local knowledge, some time on a stream or a cold beer together.   To participate, send me your screen name and state.   Other info, such as you real name, home city, age, home waters, occupation, etc. is optional (most so far have shared most of these).   You can surrender as little anonymity as you are comfortable with.   None of this info will be shared by me outside this group or with commercial concerns. For the "experienced" ROFFians: Awright goddammit, where the hell are ya?   A lousy 50 names in three weeks? What about the rest of ya?   You know who you are!   Seriously though, I am hoping some of the discussions about file size, databases or other esoteric computer shit didn’t put anybody off (responses dropped like a stone shortly after that).   I’d like to see this grow to a potentially useful tool for everybody.   If you post regularly or even occasionally, send me your info (see above). Joe F.

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Ok Joe, Didn’t see the last thread, musta been fishn’ or drinkn’ or sleeping as far as I know? Tim Apple Rockford IL Good smallmouth and some trout(top secret on the trout thing, about 5 people in the world know where they are.) Also finally figured out how to get walleye on the fly, good fishing for em’ to. I’d give you my address but I’m going in the Coast Guard soon and it wouldn’t do ya much good unless you cruise by in the next 2 months or so. see ya Tim Apple — "Bamboo is Better"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, it’s been a couple weeks since the idea lit up, caught fire briefly and fizzled, so I thought I’d try posting a reminder. For you newbies: I am compiling a directory of ROFF members, initially to allow ROFF members travelling to another state to maybe look up a fellow member to share some local knowledge, some time on a stream or a cold beer together.   To participate, send me your screen name and state.   Other info, such as you real name, home city, age, home waters, occupation, etc. is optional (most so far have shared most of these).   You can surrender as little anonymity as you are comfortable with.   None of this info will be shared by me outside this group or with commercial concerns. For the "experienced" ROFFians: Awright goddammit, where the hell are ya?   A lousy 50 names in three weeks? What about the rest of ya?   You know who you are!   Seriously though, I am hoping some of the discussions about file size, databases or other esoteric computer shit didn’t put anybody off (responses dropped like a stone shortly after that).   I’d like to see this grow to a potentially useful tool for everybody.   If you post regularly or even occasionally, send me your info (see above). Joe F.

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This is a good idea.  We need an eight lined ‘Angler’s Toast’.  Maybe we need three or four of them? Mike Connor, you have been challenged to supply the first entry. Possibly, we should have an "Angler’s Toast Contest?"  for the Conclave?! shush!  quiet everyone.  There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah?

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Georg G: <<….shush!  quiet everyone.  There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah? "Row tiddly row Defecate or bust Never let your testes Dangle in the dust." Hey, it worked in Japan 40+ years ago! Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Georg G: <<….shush!  quiet everyone.  There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah? "Row tiddly row Defecate or bust Never let your testes Dangle in the dust." Hey, it worked in Japan 40+ years ago! Dave L.

— Mr. G. All Writings

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I was recently introduced to fly fishing ( a long story of which I will spare you the details).  I took a 1/2 day lesson with a very experienced instructor which I greatly enjoyed and considered very valuable.  I know I still have a lot to learn and look forward to it, but I cannot afford more lessons.  Would anybody out there be willing to take me under their wing? I promise not to take much of your time if you just let me observe; let me know how I am doing every now and then; tell me some fly fishing stories you hvae experienced over the years; etcetera.  On our outtings, I could provide with excellent food, good beer, a good cigar, …  I know that this is not much to offer in return, but that’s all I can offer … plus a good friendship.  I live in Manchester, CT and be willing to drive anywhere to meet you. Let me know if you want to know more about myself or perhaps meet me.  I look forward to hearing from you.  Thank you so much in advance. Rafael  

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<snip  Would anybody out there be willing to take me under their wing? I promise not to take much of your time if you just let me observe;<snip  On our outtings, I could provide with excellent food, good beer, a good cigar, <snip  I live in Manchester, CT and be willing to drive anywhere to meet you.

  Drive on out to Colorado and bring a box of Cohibas, and I will let you watch me fish. You can surprise me with the good food and beer.                                    Charlie

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Try finding a local flyfishing club.  Dues are usually very nominal and such clubs often offer neophytes free instruction in various aspects of the sport.  Also, you’ll meet people there who you can buddy up with.  My club in San Diego organizes 3 or 4 long range trips per year, shorter range trips (within State) about once a month and weekly meets at the local lakes.  I cannot thing of a better way to get into and enjoy the sport than through your flyfishing local. —                                                            -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I promise not to take much of your time if you just let me observe; let me know how I am doing every now and then; tell me some fly fishing stories you hvae experienced over the years; etcetera.

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Try finding a local flyfishing club.  Dues are usually very nominal and such clubs often offer neophytes free instruction in various aspects of the sport.  Also, you’ll meet people there who you can buddy up with.  My club in San Diego organizes 3 or 4 long range trips per year, shorter range trips (within State) about once a month and weekly meets at the local lakes.  I cannot thing of a better way to get into and enjoy the sport than through your flyfishing local.

– Rafael, ol’ buddy. This could be your most important flyfishing lesson of all. Never trust any flyfisherman who turns down a good cigar, good food, and good beer. Club schmub. Gas up and head for Colorado. That was a much better deal:)) BP

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Actually Meta might be right.  Obviously clubs aren’t for him.  That offer from Colorado does sound pretty good.  If you want to drive all that way to become a cook and give up your best Cubans, please suit yourself.  If that doesn’t work out, you can still use a local club as your back up, and you can always quit that, if it doesn’t suit your fancy.  Actually, you could try a club first, if one exists locally, and find out if that suits you. Never trust a man who tries to convince you to limit your options.–                                                            -dnc- PS.  By the way, I would gladly take you up on your offer for food and beer.  But alas, I hate cigars.  So I guess maybe you could trust me about two-thirds of the time.  Or perhaps the cigar thing is the telling factor, we’ll have to wait for sage Meta to pass us the phacts on that one.

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On our outtings, I could provide with excellent food, good beer, a good cigar, …  I know that this is not much to offer in return, but that’s all I can offer …

Sounds like a HELL of an offer to me… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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<Actually Meta might be right.  Obviously clubs aren’t for him.  That offer <from Colorado does sound pretty good.  If you want to drive all that way to <become a cook and give up your best Cubans, please suit yourself.  If that <doesn’t work out, you can still use a local club as your back up, and you <can always quit that, if it doesn’t suit your fancy.  Actually, you could t<ry a club first, if one exists locally, and find out if that suits you. <Never trust a man who tries to convince you to limit your options.– <   <                                                         -dnc- (It’s gettin’ a little too southern California serious for me.I don’t know, maybe its cause they don’t have any spring creeks for 100s of miles.  Please plant tongue firmly in cheek before reading.) Limit Options hell. Keep em wide open. How about Cheeseman, Frying Pan, Blue, and a hundred others that I’m sure shall remain nameless? Given the options to fish there, would one really want to spend the summer talking about ff in CT by comparison? Why drive? United, who does allow you to carry on flyrods, flies there cheap. As for cigars, I thought Rafael was gettin’  off easy only having to supply Cohibas instead of providing the proper cigar for each hatch. And he did say good food, so let’s at least call him a chef. But for clubs, to paraphrase Graucho Marx (famous cigar smoker), " I wouldn’t join any club that would have me as a member."

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<Never trust a man who tries to convince you to limit your options.– <   <                                                         -dnc- (It’s gettin’ a little too southern California serious for me.I don’t know, maybe its cause they don’t have any spring creeks for 100s of miles.  Please plant tongue firmly in cheek before reading.) Limit Options hell. Keep em wide open. How about Cheeseman, Frying Pan, Blue, and a hundred others that I’m sure shall remain nameless?

Not too serious, I hope.  But your rejoinder has given me a good laugh, so thank you…I think.  Unfortunately, you are 100% correct about the spring creeks (not even sure if I could define the term, although smooth water and the need for delicate presentation comes to mind…certainly an experience to be sought, and probably worth a few cigars!). As far as clubs go, they can offer an awful lot of free information for the urbanite neophyte.  So I say try it.  It couldn’t hoit.  Who knows, they might offer you a cigar.

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(JRGonza) writes: SNIP<

I’d suggest tracking down a copy of the "Curtis Creek Manifesto," an excellent primer (humorous too).  Then, while you’re browsing around the fly shops looking for it, ask about local flyfishing clubs.   99.99999% of flyfishing is going to be practice.  Here’s a tip: to catch fish, you don’t have to be a great caster, just learn to be sneaky.  Most of your casts will be thirty feet or less (10′ leader and 20′ of line out).  Learning not to spook the fish is a good thing.  I have caught some very nice Brown’s by hiding in the bushes and flipping a beetle over some grass into a lake with nothing but leader out. Oh yeah, buy a good pair of polarized glasses…makes a huge difference. Good luck! DP

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The Curtis Creek Manifesto is hilarious and good.  The author was a friend of my Dads and he lived near the Williamson River in Oregon.  He’s dead now, the victim, I think, of hard and fast living. As for mentors, my Dad was the best for me.  I am a fourth generation fly fisherman and that wisdom of the ages is good to have. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (JRGonza) writes: SNIP< I’d suggest tracking down a copy of the "Curtis Creek Manifesto," an excellent primer (humorous too).  Then, while you’re browsing around the fly shops looking for it, ask about local flyfishing clubs.   99.99999% of flyfishing is going to be practice.  Here’s a tip: to catch fish, you don’t have to be a great caster, just learn to be sneaky.  Most of your casts will be thirty feet or less (10′ leader and 20′ of line out).  Learning not to spook the fish is a good thing.  I have caught some very nice Brown’s by hiding in the bushes and flipping a beetle over some grass into a lake with nothing but leader out. Oh yeah, buy a good pair of polarized glasses…makes a huge difference. Good luck! DP

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I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last Weekend?

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no pics in this group but maybe rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Jan Geert Meents, Munich, Germany | I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this | NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last | Weekend? | |

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I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last Weekend?

don’t do it.   post to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing see you there ! TimW

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I am considering the purchase of Gortex waders (simms guide model) and I was wondering what people’s experience has been regarding the durability of these waders as compared with neoprene.  I have heard that they are very subject to developing leaks,  I am very tough on equipment and would crawl over glass and through barb wire to get to fish.  I am most interested in what your actual experince has been with these products and not what somebody said. Thanks for input, T. Frank

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I am considering the purchase of Gortex waders (simms guide model) and I was wondering what people’s experience has been regarding the durability of these waders as compared with neoprene.  I have heard that they are very subject to developing leaks,  I am very tough on equipment and would crawl over glass and through barb wire to get to fish.  I am most interested in what your actual experince has been with these products and not what somebody said. Thanks for input, T. Frank

Although I don’t have any, the reason I don’t is my friends who do all had leaks. Some soon, some later, but all have had leaks so far. One friend has returned his waders 3 times, but they were an earlier model of a popular but unmentioned muanufacturer. (their service in exchanging them has been quite good.) The Simms guide model looks and fits great in extended sizes, but I have resisted the temptation so far. Don’t know anyone who has them yet. For now I’m sticking to nylon or supplex and neoprene. Kevin Williams

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I am considering the purchase of Gortex waders (simms guide model) and I was wondering what people’s experience has been regarding the durability of these waders as compared with neoprene. I have heard that they are very subject to developing leaks,  I am very tough on equipment and would crawl over glass and through barb wire to get to fish.  I am most interested in what your actual experince has been with these products and not what somebody said.

I’ve got a pair of Simms Gortex with about 150 hours on them with no problems but I’m real easy on equipment.  OTOH, I developed a leak in a pair neoprenes in the first 10 hours of use. John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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I have been using the Simms Gor-Tex for about 1 year. They are the most comfortable wader I’ve worn. If you walk thru briars, barbed wire, etc. you are going to get leaks. Mine have been of the pinhole variety and are easily patched on the inside. I think they are not as durable as neoprene but the are certainly a lot more comfortable. GL. Jack.

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I am considering the purchase of Gortex waders (simms guide model) and I was wondering what people’s experience has been regarding the durability of these waders as compared with neoprene. I have heard that they are very subject to developing leaks,  I am very tough on equipment and would crawl over glass and through barb wire to get to fish.  I am most interested in what your actual experince has been with these products and not what somebody said. Thanks for input, T. Frank

Hi I’m on my second season guiding with a pair of Simms Gortex.  They are the best investment I’ve ever made in the direction of my personal comfort.  Even in 100 degree heat I’m as comfortable as if I were wearing a pair of jeans. Regarding leaks:  The fine Goretex lining is subject pin hole leeks caused by nettles, thistles, etc.  The type of pointy objects that that will slip between the fibers on the outside protecting fabric and puncture the inner membrane.  The outside fabric is really quite tough so glass and barbed wire are less of a problem than the real fine pointed things I just mentioned. When I got my waders I bought a repair kit.  It’s real easy to use even on the stream if need be but the pin hole leeks are not like a leek in a regular wader.  They just kind of seep.  When I notice a wet spot on my jeans when I remove the waders at the end of the day I wait until I get home to fix them.  At home I reverse the waders and fill the reversed leg with water from a hose and mark the leek with a felt tip pen, empty the waders and hang them up to dry.  About an hour later I put on the goop and 20 minutes after that the patch and the waders are ready to go.  I consider this a very small price to pay for the incredible comfort I get as a result.  No more sweat soaked poly long handles for me, thank you. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone have info about flyfishing possibilities on Bon-Aire?   My wife and daughter are trying to make me go and I won’t dive.

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I love Bonaire, maily, almost exclusively for the diving, but I can’t imagine that there is much in the way of flyfishing to be done.  Bonaire is a volcanic island and the depth profile tends to go: small coral shelf, small drop off (mebbe to 100′ or so), another small shelf and then BLAMMO, you have dropped off the edge of the world.  I’ve never been to either Klein Bonaire, but I suspect that it is similar.  Also, Bonaire has one of the strictest and longest standing reef and fish protection laws in the Carribean, primarily because of a fellow named Don Stuart (Captain Don) who is one of the wackier and more colorful people this world has to offer (and I’ve searched out quite a few).  He is a fantastic guy to drink some beers with down at Habitat, expecially on "country/western night".  We haven’t been down for eight years now owing to our having a couple of little units to consider, but a friend of mine just spent a month there on his sailboat and had a great time.  He said that it has grown a good bit since we were last there together in 87 but that the diving is still fantastic and the beer (Amstel) is still great, and affordable.  Essentially, the World Wildlife Fund did a great thing when they set up the Bonaire Marine Park, but they didn’t have flyfishers in mind.  Go on and take your snorkel, or better yet your regulator and have a great time.  If you do go, make sure you have the book "Guide to the Bonaire Marine Park", by Tom van’t Hof.  It’s a fantastic book and will show you how th dove the island WITHOUT A DIVE GUIDE OR BOAT!!!!  What a bonus!  You can dive REALLY CHEAP. Obviously, I love the place.  I hpe you go, even if there isn’t any flyfishing that I know of. Dave

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I couldn’t agree more.  I proposed to my wife there 9 years ago (she accepted!).  We haven’t been back, but we talk about it all the time. Neither of us dive, but we both snorkeled continuously.  It is sometimes better just to look at the fish than to catch them.  They are spectacular.  You don’t need a boat or a tour guide-just walk out into the water and you’re surrounded by the reef. The people were great, the ocean is great, the food is not.  There is a little town on the other side of the island from Kralendijk (the capital) where you can sit at a wonderful little outdoor juke joint and eat with the natives.  It is not a tropical paradise, very rocky, a desert island, but we loved it. Go, make your wife and daughter happy, and you’ll probably have a good time too.

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Does anyone have info about flyfishing possibilities on Bon-Aire? My wife and daughter are trying to make me go and I won’t dive.

I was there ~4 years ago and caught bonefish in the salt evaporation ponds on the south end of the island.  There are also some mangrove swamps that I think had some tarpon hanging out (not sure about this.)  The bonefishing was wade only (no boats allowed on the salt ponds.)  I think the name of the guide service I used there was Piscatour.  I don’t think Bonaire has a reputaion as a bonefish mecca, but they are there.  Also saw one permit zip by while we were out there.   There is also some offshore fishing there, but I didn’t try it. The ponds cove a fairly large area,  and if the mangrove area has permit and tarpon, you might find enough to interest yourself, but I would still be a little nervous about going there for fishing only. Dave B.

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Oooo…a male basher….I really hate it when some two bit cunt assaults me for being male because of the stupidity of one other male…beleive me, there are a lot of stupid females in this world too. -(CJW)

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Anyone who’s seen Hush a Bye Baby (film) in which Sinead wears a long wig, knows that she is visually attractive. Do people always swear as much on this newsgroup. Andrew in Belfast.

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I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute.  Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly.

Man, that’s so fucking rude.  Who gives a FUCK what you fucking think of what the performer LOOKS like?  Was the performance good?  A resounding "yes" is the answer.  So fuck off and go back to the chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from.  (You must be male, because only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to think–and I use that term loosely–this way.) Heidi —      So what about KEANU REEVES?  Choosing one of today’s least able (but

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I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute.  Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly. Man, that’s so fucking rude.  Who gives a FUCK what you fucking think of what the performer LOOKS like?  Was the performance good?  A resounding "yes" is the answer.  So fuck off and go back to the chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from.  (You must be male, because only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to think–and I use that term loosely–this way.) Heidi

I thought she looked great.  she put on a good show.  I wish dave would have talked to her though. ryan http://www.xmission.com/~ryshaw snowboarding/NIN/flyfishing/The Jeffersons

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I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute.  Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly.

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| | Has anyone fly-fished for walleyes? If so what kind of flies did you use? Yeah, and how do you get all that color-distance-coded lead core wire line *AND* all the backing into a 3 1/2 oz. English-made palm-drag reel? And when will Orvis finally put their much-rumoured Lake Erie model bamboo rod into production??? Are there any parts of Lake Huron or Saginaw Bay that can be waded safely??? The Ultimate in Fishing Sport – casting to a rising walleye. Of course, a Real FlyFisherperson would be using a DRY FLY……         Michael J. Oatley                       205/730-8738                    

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Has anyone fly-fished for walleyes? If so what kind of flies did you use? -Joon

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Has anyone fly-fished for walleyes? If so what kind of flies did you

use? Not intentionally, but I caught five last year in the space of about ten minutes, at the tail end of a pool where I was fishing for bass (with a fly!!  Gasp!).  Caught all five on a black wooly bugger, just after dark.  All five were in the 2-1/2 to 3 pound range.  Good Time! Tim

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