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<Wonderful story snipped Russell Still euphoric, heck maybe giddy!

Welcome back. We missed you.    Signed     Fish

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*thick skin* to venture here(though why that is necessary to discuss something and tranquil and relaxing as fly fishing is beyond me)

So one would think… I was born and raised near Driggs, Idaho. Driggs is located in the middle of Teton Valley in southeastern Idaho. Running right down the middle of the valley is the Teton River.

That must’ve been beautiful. Growing up I was quite oblivious of the existence of the river

Youth is wasted on the young, as a wise and no doubt old man said. I set the hook and landed the most beautiful seven-inch brown trout I had ever seen, well at least in the last ten years.

I think returning makes it all the sweeter. Still euphoric, heck maybe giddy!

Happens to me all the time. Very nice read, Russell. Thanks for sharing. Steve

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<snip I was euphoric. I thanked the fish, thanked my doctor and thanked God. (There have been many other and probably more important benefits that have come from getting my eyes fixed but none have made me happier.)

Your post reminded me that I sometimes take all this good stuff for granted. I just opened the shades in my office and spent a few minutes reveling in the joy of sight. If you’ve been lurking as you say, you’ve noticed some pretty heated discussions on photography. Interesting that we could all get so wrapped up in the topic of which is better and why, while others are just glad to see *any* image. My wife bought me a fishing licence for Father’s Day.

You’ve got a keeper there! She obviously saw the joy your new-found sight brought. Congrats. I bought me some new hip waders and patched my chest waders. I have made it out a few times since with great success. Thursday evening I am headed to Idaho to take care of some family business. I will be taking my rod, vest, waders and float tube and plan on being on the Teton River very early Friday morning. That is where it all started. I can’t wait.

I await your TR. Good luck catching fish, but *that* isn’t the most important part, now is it?  :) Still euphoric, heck maybe giddy!

Keep spreading it around, my friend. You do it well. — TL, Tim

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  (This is a repost of a message I sent on July 7. The original somehow   never made it out of my ISP’s server so I’m reposting with Google. A   TR will follow later.)     Because of a renewed (I’ll explain why renewed in a bit) interest in   fly-fishing, I started lurking in ROFF about a month and a half ago.   The more I observed from the banks, the more I began to wonder if I   dare wade in lest I get my head bit off. you stupid son of a bitch – just a little something to make you feel like part of the group! Welcome to ROFF! There’s a Clave this Fall at Henry’s Fork. Willi

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Russell Great story. Years ago fishing Spanish Fork and hunting mulies in the oak brush foothills with an old Enfield above the powder house helped keep me a reasonably sane undergrad. When things got too weird we’d head for the railroad cafe at the Thistle junction for some pie and coffee.

The town of Thistle no longer exists. In 1983 it was wiped out by a landslide that so blocked the Spanish Fork River that it created a big lake over the town. Here’s a picture of the dam and lake. Thistle is under the water on the left/middle part of the picture. http://landslides.usgs.gov/html_files/landslides/slides/slide3.htm Here is a pretty concise description of what happened: http://www.trainweb.org/utahrails/locales/thistle.html to see the stainless steel cars of the California Zephyr coming out of the Canyon up from Denver in the snow, 100% USA built, on past thousands of sheep on the flat in Winter enclosures, and headed for Salt Lake. I just got to get back to that country someday, visit the Art Museum in Springville

A true treasure of this state. and maybe head on down to Helper in the Utah coal country.

Ah, Helper! I lived in Price from 1977 to 1979 and worked in a coal mine just north of Helper. What great country that is. Price is one of the best places that I’ve ever lived. Great people down there. Russell

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Great story Russell, my best wishes for you. Do yourself a favour wear polarised glasses. That improves your sight in/on the water, but the best point is it protects your eyes. I tell you this, because I  hooked my cheek  directly under my left eye last time I was fishing. That was painful enough, can

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its time to bite the bullet and purchase a new vehicle.  My wife and I are discussing what to purchase to replace our aging fleet of rusty junk and decided we wanted the perfect fly fishing vehicle.  It will have to tow a small drift boat (16 1/2 ft long).  Hold two float tubes, be able to get in to moderately difficult destinations via dirt (read mud) roads. With the wealth of experience out their in Roffian land…how about some input?  As the wise African Tribal Chief once said, "Tis better to get the advice of 10 fools than one wise man "  Were could I go to seek better advice than from fellow fly fishing addicts.  By the way, its just my wife and I these days, so a pickup is an acceptable alternative…we have no brand loyalty and no prejudice in place. Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle… — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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I agree it’s a great rig but 25k won’t get you in the door New anyway Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white.

         Harry Mason     www.Troutflies.com               *** "Quality Flies for a Trout’s Eyes"

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Its time to bite the bullet and purchase a new vehicle.  My wife and I are discussing what to purchase to replace our aging fleet of rusty junk and decided we wanted the perfect fly fishing vehicle.  It will have to tow a small drift boat (16 1/2 ft long).  Hold two float tubes, be able to get in to moderately difficult destinations via dirt (read mud) roads.

If it must be a newish truck/SUV, my vote would be to find a gently-used Ford PU (in whatever cab/bed choice you prefer) with the PowerStroke diesel engine.  Even a crew-cab, 1-ton, long bed, 4×4 gets over 20 MPG on the highway, even pulling a loaded cattle/horse trailer.  I’ve seen them with 200k of hard use and still going strong. If you don’t mind older, I’d recommend a late-80’s Jeep Grand Wagoneer.  We have them, and they can’t be beat as a real "off road" "off-the-rack" SUV.  I’ve pulled out stuck Landcruiser/Lexus SUVs, Rovers, PUs, etc.  Another big plus now is the fact it is they have actually become desirable again, and the prices are actually increasing in areas I’m familiar with – buy lower now, and it might actually increase in value.  You can get a damn near perfect low mileage one for well under 10K, even as low as 4-5k.  If you turn your own wrenches, you can work on anything on or in it easily – I can do damn near anything on one with a socket set and a couple of screwdrivers.  If you don’t, just about any halfway competent mechanic can, and without "specialty" tools. The only real drawback is gas mileage – 16-18 MPG or so is about it. If it can be a car, IMO, a Nissan Maxima wins hands-down, no question. We just replaced a 1996 with a 2001, and the only reason we did is because my mother needed a "new" car and we gave her the ‘96.  A friend, who had previously killed Mercedes, 2 pickups, a Volvo, and a BMW got one new in ‘94 and managed 200k on it, which was about equal to 500k for most.  In fact, the only reason he got rid of it was a rock hit the oil pan just right and blocked the pump, resulting in a locked motor.  He was going to replace the motor, but it just didn’t make economic sense. Whatever you choose, enjoy it, and have a Happy New Year! TC, R

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Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle…

My advice is not to take advice, but since you asked… I suggest a Ford Expediiton. I have a ‘97 4WD that I tow around the Grady w/. If you’re thinking about the 150, it’s essentially the same vehicle, only there’s more inside  it. One nice feature to consider is that w/ a cheap web rod holder system on the headliner, you can carry rigged 9 ft. flyrods inside. It’s a great tow vehicle and general hauler too. Best of luck. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach Behold the Fisherman! He Riseth Up Early in the Morning, and Disturbeth the Whole Household. Mighty are His Preparations. He Goeth Forth Full of Hope. And When the Day is Spent, He Returneth, Smelling of Strong Drink. And the Truth is not with Him!

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Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white.

no, the perfect flyfishing vehicle must be grey <G cb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least. Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

And you can’t drive it across lakes like this convertible vehicle. http://4wd.sofcom.com/Mil/GAZ/46.html All you need to do is add a GPS, fishfinder, and a swivel chair to the bow. You will be the envy of all the bass fishermen.  :) Happy New Year! Dave

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

Steve,   I think you may be right about the Isuzus.  I travelled to the Gillette, WY airport to work on an airplane over a 2 year period.  They had a car rental (Avis, I think) there and, in this 2 year period, I saw  3 or 4 wrecked Isuzu’s in the lot.  Each one looked like it had been rolled.  There wasn’t a straight piece of sheet metal on the whole rig.   Bob — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat

That’s where the sub-woofer goes… <g — Charlie…

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For an extra 5 grand you might even get them to put an Orvis Edition decal on it. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat and best of all, you can sit down at the back to put your waders on.  It has a 2 litre four so the gas mileage is good, comes with full time 4X4 and best of all, it’s a Toyota.  $25K should put you into a top of the line model including leather seats, with no trade-in. BTW, got the flies finally.  Thanks for hosting the swap and the nice fly box.  There are some great patterns in this one. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat and best of all, you can sit down at the back to put your waders on.  It has a 2 litre four so the gas mileage is good, comes with full time 4X4 and best of all, it’s a Toyota.  $25K should put you into a top of the line model including leather seats, with no trade-in. BTW, got the flies finally.  Thanks for hosting the swap and the nice fly box.  There are some great patterns in this one. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least.

Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

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Padishar Creel writes: Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle…

Pick-up truck.  Think Japanese.  Toyota or Nissan. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Gotta go with Dave on this one…my little Toy riceburner (2WD) is fast approaching 500 thousand miles (we’ll see that before 2001 is out)  My 3rd Toyota, and looking to buy another if this damn thing ever wears out.  Like another poster said, I just turn up the radio so as not to hear the strange noises coming from under the hood. Frank (road warrior) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Padishar Creel writes: Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle… Pick-up truck.  Think Japanese.  Toyota or Nissan. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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and I these days, so a pickup is an acceptable alternative…we have no brand loyalty and no prejudice in place.

I like my Ford F150. The milage sucks, but anything smaller seems cramped the first time you start a trip with a thousand mile day. Big Dale

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Before the wall between East and West Germany fell, the East Germans had only very limited possibilities with regard to cars. The most widespread model was a "Trabant", a two stroke engine mounted on a steel chassis, and a body of fibre glass. These were not renowned for either their speed or reliability, and were a virtual death-trap in a fire. Their maximum speed varied somewhat according to the ingenuity of the owner, but was usually about 110Kmh. However this may be, an East German visiting west Berlin pushed his broken down Trabant into a garage, and asked the duty mechanic for help.  The mechanic looked under the bonnet, gave the motor a cursory glance, and then shook his head slowly, saying "No chance I

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My home river has been alternating on a daily basis between running high and muddy and high and clear with an amber tinge. When it is running amber, the fishing is pretty good, but with the heavy flows, traditional dry techniques aren’t productive. In this heavy flowing, colored water, I’ve been having good success with a technique that was shown to me by an old rancher about twenty years ago. The technique is a fun one and is often productive when the trout are reluctant to come up for traditionally fished dries. It’s a technique geared for fishing fast, heavy water. I use it mainly in pocket water, but it also works on the streamside edges of heavy, deep water and in around any obstructions in deep strong runs. The flies I use are a high floating dry with a wet fly or soft hackle on a dropper of about 2 feet. I generally use a dry about two sizes bigger than I normally would and use a fly two sizes smaller than the dry as a dropper. The dropper is optional but will result in more hookups. I’ll describe the technique for a pocket water situation where I mainly use it. Casts can be short or long, but since you can approach fish closely in pocket water, often surprisingly close, and short casts give you much more control, I use casts of under fifteen feet 90% of the time. The only time I use longer casts is when the water is too deep or heavy to get to an area I want to fish. I try to fish an area thoroughly, even spots where there doesn’t appear to be any rocks that could break up the current, but I concentrate the casts to run through any visible areas where larger rocks provide calm water cushions. I generally a cast up and across stream and immediately raise the rod tip to lift all the fly line off the water and get direct contact with the fly.  I then begin dragging and skipping the fly across the current. I vary the action of the fly but the key is lots of action.  When the flies get in a position just below me, I begin maneuvering them through each small pocket I can find.  I skitter them upstream and down, back and forth through any pockets below. This technique will bring good fish to the surface that ignore more placid, traditional techniques. The quick moving flies result in strikes that are aggressive, vicious, slashing, fast, exciting etc. and you will get many more misses than hookups. Setting the hook at the strike usually results in pulling the fly away from the trout. Strikes need to be delayed but because of the tight line, the fish will usually hook themselves. Since there are a large percentage of missed fish with this technique, the feeding locations and holding areas that are revealed, need to be fished again. Since most of these missed strikes, refusals etc. are to the larger, more visible dry, the next thing I do is to try to maneuver the small dropper through the area trying to skip it across the surface. If this doesn’t work, I do a number of traditional drag free drifts through the area, paying close attention for hits on the dropper. This technique is definitely a kick when it’s working.  It elicits strikes from trout more akin to those of a bass or a pike to a popper than a typical sedate sip to a dry. I tend to ignore the technique when the fish are rising to more typical techniques but maybe I shouldn’t. Willi Interesting technique Willi.  I think most of us have used a similar

approach for pocket water, but not with a dropper, and not with a systematic plan.  For me its been an approach used out of necessity at times for fishing pocket water, especially casting over currents or boulders.  I’ll try it next opportunity. Pat K Before you buy.

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My home river has been alternating on a daily basis between running high and muddy and high and clear with an amber tinge. When it is running amber, the fishing is pretty good, but with the heavy flows, traditional dry techniques aren’t productive. In this heavy flowing, colored water, I’ve been having good success with a technique that was shown to me by an old rancher about twenty years ago. The technique is a fun one and is often productive when the trout are reluctant to come up for traditionally fished dries. It’s a technique geared for fishing fast, heavy water. I use it mainly in pocket water, but it also works on the streamside edges of heavy, deep water and in around any obstructions in deep strong runs. The flies I use are a high floating dry with a wet fly or soft hackle on a dropper of about 2 feet. I generally use a dry about two sizes bigger than I normally would and use a fly two sizes smaller than the dry as a dropper. The dropper is optional but will result in more hookups. I’ll describe the technique for a pocket water situation where I mainly use it. Casts can be short or long, but since you can approach fish closely in pocket water, often surprisingly close, and short casts give you much more control, I use casts of under fifteen feet 90% of the time. The only time I use longer casts is when the water is too deep or heavy to get to an area I want to fish. I try to fish an area thoroughly, even spots where there doesn’t appear to be any rocks that could break up the current, but I concentrate the casts to run through any visible areas where larger rocks provide calm water cushions. I generally a cast up and across stream and immediately raise the rod tip to lift all the fly line off the water and get direct contact with the fly.  I then begin dragging and skipping the fly across the current. I vary the action of the fly but the key is lots of action.  When the flies get in a position just below me, I begin maneuvering them through each small pocket I can find.  I skitter them upstream and down, back and forth through any pockets below. This technique will bring good fish to the surface that ignore more placid, traditional techniques. The quick moving flies result in strikes that are aggressive, vicious, slashing, fast, exciting etc. and you will get many more misses than hookups. Setting the hook at the strike usually results in pulling the fly away from the trout. Strikes need to be delayed but because of the tight line, the fish will usually hook themselves. Since there are a large percentage of missed fish with this technique, the feeding locations and holding areas that are revealed, need to be fished again. Since most of these missed strikes, refusals etc. are to the larger, more visible dry, the next thing I do is to try to maneuver the small dropper through the area trying to skip it across the surface. If this doesn’t work, I do a number of traditional drag free drifts through the area, paying close attention for hits on the dropper. This technique is definitely a kick when it’s working.  It elicits strikes from trout more akin to those of a bass or a pike to a popper than a typical sedate sip to a dry. I tend to ignore the technique when the fish are rising to more typical techniques but maybe I shouldn’t. Willi

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Has anyone done any bonefishing in Roatan?  Are there guides available? Thanks in advance. Ken

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I’ve been to Roatan but not fished there Jack Sampson in the book "Salt Water Fly Fishing" talks about flyfishing for permit, bill fish  and jack crevalle near there at Guanaja- a ferry ride away. I saw places that looked like they would have to have bonefish but didn’t have a fly rod along. herb

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.. the problem is with the fonts in netscape … it seems to pick up a wierd font when setting it up.. especially the earlier netscapes. go into the fonts list and find the offending font and get rid of it, netscape then picks another … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – keyboarded:

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing! Mr. Gink — MZ

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!

Oh yeah ?!?!?!? Well…may you get the same thing, and break it when you drop your "Tickle Me Elmo" on it, which breaks as well… TimW

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer    May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!    Mr. Gink AND, that you live in a climate where you can’t use it for growing tomatoes! cheers,         -tgades

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Lots of FF magazines out there now. Which one (1) do you like best/rely upon for info and entertainment? Just curious. — Gary Soucie, / Fax 1-301-322-4329 / Tel 1-301-322-8373

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I just spent an evening comparing Fly Fisherman, Fly Fishing Quarterly, American Angler, and Fly Fishing and Tying.  For my money, the best is Fly Fisherman.  I like the mix of articles and I was particularly impressed with their ability to see both sides of complex conservation issues.  This month’s edition has a great article about Pennsylvania’s Falling Spring Creek – the photography is just beautiful! Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

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I just spent an evening comparing Fly Fisherman, Fly Fishing Quarterly, American Angler, and Fly Fishing and Tying.  For my money, the best is Fly Fisherman.  I like the mix of articles and I was particularly impressed with their ability to see both sides of complex conservation issues.  This month’s edition has a great article about Pennsylvania’s Falling Spring Creek – the photography is just beautiful! Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

want to see the best, check out California Flyfisher, the only magazine I read from cover to cover.         Mike

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right here. TimW

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Lots of FF magazines out there now. Which one (1) do you like best/rely upon for info and entertainment? Just curious. — Gary Soucie, / Fax 1-301-322-4329 / Tel 1-301-322-8373

IMHO, the answer to this question may vary depending on which coast you live and/or fish on.   Tight text, Charley

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: Learn to roll cast. Or pay a guide $150/day to put you in a raft. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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Learn to roll cast.

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oh how I love to fly fish! My partner might even say I’m obsessed with fly fishing, and tying and anything else to do with this marvelous sport. And yes, I am a woman. Been fly fishing for about 5 years now and still consider myself somewhat of a beginner. Always wanting and looking for new stuff to learn. About flies in trees/bushes=simple always buy one for the fish and one or two for the trees. Also, try some creative casting, side arm casting, sling shot or bow and arrow casting, certainly roll casting, etc. Try these casts on an open lawn first, until you are more comfortable with it all. And if you have a fly shop in your area, check to see if there is a women’s group or club and if not, start one. It’s a great way to fish and learn in a safe environment! Most important…have fun! =)

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to lodge my Hook in the raft – and off i go after spending $150! But seriously – i’ll learn roll casting – thanks for the advice!

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use?

I fish the Skagit on the Canadian side quite frequently. I believe that it opens July 1st though so check your regs. Also catch and release only now. I have had most of my success with basic Nymph patterns, and Mosquito immitations.Also had one great day using Royal Coachmen{hooked over 30 14-16" fish in a couple of hours fishing a back channel} never had another day like it there since though. But always do well.Try fishing with sink tip line as close to bottom as you can get in deeper runs, exspecially if water on low-clear side..                Good Luck!!

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the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia… our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

We’re good at that. The Glen Canyon of the Colorado in northern Arizona, now Lake Powell, was by all accounts and the testimony of photographs, THE most beautiful canyon in the world. Good luck.

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the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia,headwaters in the Manning Park area into a Man Made lake {Ross Lake} it is then Dammed in Washington State and then flows through Northern Washington into the Pacific.I fish it on the Canadian side only and our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

Actually, the various BC governments have *not* done battle with the US over the Skagit. The Skagit is close enough to Vancouver (which is very important politically in BC). When Seattle City Light wanted to raise Ross Dam and flood more of the Skagit, the BC government had a better idea – they built the Seven Mile Dam on the Pend d’Oreille (the Kootenays being of less importance politically), thus flooding the falls which kept coarse fish out of the Salmo River, and sold the power so SCL. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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  The dambuilding regieme [in particular the WAC Socreds] in British Columbia had an international reputation of "Profit first" environmentalism [comparatively, the present government is elligible for sainthood ]. One particular Rodderick H.Brown quote sets the way I used to feel about the rape of BC rivers at the expense of fish. "I hate practically everything British Columbia stands for today–the shoddy, uncaring devellopment of our natural resources, the Chamber of Commerce mentality which favors short-term material gain over all other considerations, the utter contempt for human values of any kind.  I hate and despise the trivial provincial mentality that denies Canada’s national heritage, which seeks petty advantage at cost to the common weal, which resists every vital Canadian concept and the whole range of modern knowledge and communication which can make the Canadian ideal a reality.  I apologize to the rest of Canada for this narrow lack of faith and vision."                        – Roderick Haig-Brown, June 21,1965. Actually, the various BC governments have *not* done battle with the US

over the Skagit. Water rights are pretty well Federal jurisdiction IF the despute is with a foreign country [in this case, the United States]. The Skagit is close enough to Vancouver (which is very important politically in BC). When Seattle City Light wanted to raise Ross Dam and flood more of the Skagit, the BC government had a better idea – they built the Seven Mile Dam on the Pend d’Oreille (the Kootenays being of less importance politically).

A lot of truth to this . . . When Seven Mile went in, the province was essentially being run from Howe Street in Vancouver [the financial backbone of B.C.]. Kryten// — @         0r

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Woahhh! Before you all go off fishin’ the Skagit, be aware that the

Out of curiosity, where is the Skagit? Tim

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 Out of curiosity, where is the Skagit? Tim the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia,headwaters in the Manning Park area

into a Man Made lake {Ross Lake} it is then Dammed in Washington State and then flows through Northern Washington into the Pacific.I fish it on the Canadian side only and our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

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the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia,headwaters in the Manning Park area into a Man Made lake {Ross Lake} it is then Dammed in Washington State and then flows through Northern Washington into the Pacific.I fish it on the Canadian side only and our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

If you need a US partner in blowing those damned dams on the Skagit the hell out of there, let me know.  Those damn dams gag that river.  Sadly a common story though.  However, I would be surprised if further proposed dams would ever possibly be built these days.  Thanks to interest groups, the plight of fish etc. as it relates to dams on rivers seems to be more near the front of people’s minds.   -tgades —

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R.

The Skagit River in Washington state?  You know of course that your post is read all over the world.   Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use?

To catch what?  Steelhead?  Dolly Varden?  Cutthroat?   Are you fishing low or high on the river. It’d be easier to help if you answered some of these essential questions. -tgades —

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use?

        I’m assuming that you’re fishing the upstream Canadian stretch in southwestern BC, where there is a lovely flyfishing only C & R stretch.         For all necessary info, contact Ruddick’s Fly Shop in Vancouver, tel: 604-434-2420.         I’ve fished it twice and the usual nymph patters (PTN, GRHE, Prince) and a green bodied caenis (#16 or #18) and Adams work.         Tight lines…

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. The Skagit River in Washington state?  You know of course that your post is read all over the world.  

The Skagit R. in British Columbia Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use? To catch what?  Steelhead?  Dolly Varden?  Cutthroat?   Are you fishing low or high on the river.

I’llbe fishing for Rainbows and also Dolly Varden.  I’ll be fishing at low river.                                                    Tks again                                                     Eric

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use? A reply would be appreciated since I’m a novice at this sport                                                    TKS.

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Woahhh! Before you all go off fishin’ the Skagit, be aware that the river does not open on the Canadian side until July 1!!!! Even then there are C&R and other restrictions, so read the regs. My son and I were fishing there last year and I was approached by some very suspicous looking individuals who claimed they were just curious to see the fish. It was interesting to note they did not look like tourists and were carrying a net and wore waders. Can we say GAME WARDENs? My point is, check the regs and be aware that I believe the river is patrolled by officials who do not announce their intentions. On a positive note, the Skagit is beautiful and deserves all the respect it can get. I understand that over the years it has been threatened by dams and netting for meat. Fortunately there are people (Ted Peck included) who have managed to protect it for us and I think we should ensure its continued protection. The Skagit ‘bows are the most beautiful I have ever seen! The valley is a piece of paradise, especially when you work your way to the West side as far away from road access as possible. B.

: Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. : Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use? : A reply would be appreciated since I’m a novice at this sport   :                                                  TKS.

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I like to use spoons for Northern fishing, I have good luck with little Cleo spoons ( silver ). Johnson weedless spoons are nice for getting into the weeds. Another choice are the rattling raps. Do not fish for the Walleyes my self ( I am a transplant ). Good luck

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| I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish | for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. | I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on | the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs | that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or | anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on | what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several | crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to | deep running cranks I use for bass work?   | | Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 | UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 | X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644   Rapalas (floating, count-down, shad-raps) in silver/black and gold/black.  A few daredevles in red/w and 5 of diamonds.  Some jigs and rigs for use with live bait like minnows and leeches.  A few plastic mr twisters or fuzzie grubs to go on the jigs.  If there are smallmouth, throw in a couple of tiny torpedos. — Del Cecchi  

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{14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow?

Nothing beats a leech. — G.

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I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a 14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. Stephen

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{ { {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow? -GF-

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| { | { | {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The | {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net | {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you | {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain | {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the | {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a | {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. | { | {Stephen | | In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies | other than a live minnow? | | -GF- In the summer, leeches are better than minnows and they don’t die as fast.  They can even be mail ordered I think.  They also work great for smallmouth bass. — Del Cecchi  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – { { {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow? -GF-

but is plastic, some with flavor enhancements…not sure on the flavor though…….Also, smaller plastic worms like super-do’s….get the pearl color or silver/black……caught a 5 lb walleye on the silver/black one. Good luck… — Digiboard 6400 Flying Cloud Drive Eden Prairie, MN  55344        

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?  

I recently went on a trip similar to the one you are planning.  My father, brother and I spent Memorial Day weekend on Lake Esnagi, Ontario.  This is a large lake north of Wawa, Ontario and is accessable only by plane.  I had never been walleye/northern pike fishing in Canada so I bought crankbaits, daredevils, steel leaders; the works.  It was a waste of $40.   The only thing you will need to catch walleye, or at least the only thing anyone at our lodge used, is 1/4 ounce jigs with a Mister Twister body and a live minnow hooked through the lips.  We caught over 100 walleye on this rig (all released).  Our guide landed an 8.5 lb. walleye on 4 lb. test line with this combo the week before we arrived.  You just work the jig along the rocks until you feel a slight tug, wait a few seconds for the fish to take the contraption into its mouth and set the hook.  Most of the fish we caught schooled up during the afternoon and started feeding around 5:00 pm.  They were all off of rocky points and in 20-40 ft. of water. As for the pike, we caught a few of them mixed in with the walleye.  The guys at the lodge claim that the smaller pike (24 – 30 in.) travel and feed with the schools of walleye.  The best way to go after the larger fish was to work shallower coves that had plenty of cover (large rocks, fallen timber) with large daredevils in red & white or five of diamonds (yellow with five red diamonds).  The weedbeds hadn’t come in when we were there, but working these areas would be productive also, according to our guide.  The other method people used to catch larger pike was to bait a large hook with smelt or perch (frozen) and use about 6 ft. of line under a bobber.  They would drift past points and in the coves with this rig and wait for the bobber to slowly move under water.  I was told that larger fish "cruise" the coves and points for baitfish and will only take bait.  This paid off for a couple guys, one of them caught a 12 pounder!  I never tried it. Enjoy your trip and good luck.

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I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?   Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644

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