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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html I didn’t optimize it at all. If you have a dialup, it will take a while to load (it took me awhile to upload). Willi

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html I didn’t optimize it at all. If you have a dialup, it will take a while to load (it took me awhile to upload). Willi

Got ‘em all in about 5 seconds.  (you got the water, I got the link) Very low water, eh?  Interesting how that seems to affect different streams in different ways.  Fished Bronte with the asadi man and the catching sucked but the Credit with the same low water, was full of fish a couple of days earlier. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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  Very low water, eh?  Interesting how that seems to affect different   streams in different ways.  Fished Bronte with the asadi man and the   catching sucked but the Credit with the same low water, was full of   fish a couple of days earlier. All Summer, I’m sure that was the case. Maybe fishing at night would have worked. The temps were so high this Summer, the water felt warm and I was sure there were significant kills. Didn’t fish it all Summer but would periodically go for walks and never saw a fish. The cooler water of Fall brought the bugs and also the fish. Willi

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

Challenging water, Willi.  Those pics. are enough to get the pulse up a bit. Steve

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I knew that the flows were low in Colorado’s streams this year, but I was still surprised by your pictures.  How much lower is the water on your stream than during a normal October?  Nice shots though.  Here in southern California I just heard that starting on Friday approximately 90% of the National Forest land will be put off-limits until we receive *significant* rainfall.  It’s been a tough season all over. Cheers, Bill I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

    my god, that is *low* water (and slow)!  i can’t believe you can lay out line and not spook every fish in the creek.  it’s as if you fish a different world than we do… yfitons wayno

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Good pics Willi – very nice brown.  It’s amazing those fish are in such low slow water – and you’re catching them.  I guess if the river is rich enough, then the trout have no choice but to be there, and feed, no matter how low the water is.

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    I put up the pic on:     http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html             my god, that is *low* water (and slow)!  i can’t believe you can lay out   line and not spook every fish in the creek. That is the trick. That’s where the cloudy cover helps. In those situations, I can generally get close enough that I’m casting only a few feet of fly line. On sunny days the Dorber line helps. It is a four weight but is slightly thinner than a Cortland three. Although it doesn’t float as well as a Cortland, its thinner profile suits most light line situations better for me. This water has been a good teacher for me.   it’s as if you fish a different   world than we do… It’s a different world than the majority of waters in the Rockies and it’s the reason why I usually have this water to myself. Flows are at about half of normal for this time of year. Because this stretch of river has frequent drawdowns and releases for irrigation needs and for the filling of reservoirs, fluctuations are common. The fish have adapted well to frequent low water conditions. Low water flows for several years that correspond with spawning times result in fewer but bigger fish. When I first started fishing this part of the river, the population was low, but an average fish was close to 20 inches. Until this year, the past few years have had decent flows during spawning times and the population of fish is good with a variety of age classes. The fish average about four inches more than the more popular just a few miles upstream. Willi

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I put up the pic on: Good pics Willi – very nice brown.  It’s amazing those fish are in such low slow water – and you’re catching them.  I guess if the river is rich enough, then the trout have no choice but to be there, and feed, no matter how low the water is.

One of the things that this river has taught me is that many fish, often better fish, prefer to feed in shallow water, sometimes very shallow water, during a hatch or other periods of insect activity. I think that it must make for more efficient feeding. willi

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Thomas, Thanks for the notice!  I live up in Portland so it’s not easy to get down there.  Does the Mid Willamette group have a website? Brad Before you buy.

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Thanks for the notice!  I live up in Portland so it’s not easy to get down there.  Does the Mid Willamette group have a website?

The MWFF does not yet have a web site.  There is a new Oregon Council Federation of Fly Fishers web site that lists all the Oregon fly fishing clubs, and has links to those that do have web pages.      http://oregonfff.org Thomas Gilg

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This December 12th, 2000, fly fishing writer, photographer and cartoonist Gene Trump will be giving a slide show to the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers (Corvallis, Oregon) on "Fly Fishing for Shad in Oregon".      First Presbyterian Church      8th and Monroe in Corvallis      Free – No Admission Cost Gene’s slide presentation will focus on shad fly-fishing in the State of Oregon. Often called "mini-tarpon", shad of 3-7 lbs. return by the 100,000+ in several of Oregon’s coastal streams, and by the millions in the Columbia River Basin. Largely unknown to many anglers, shad are easily caught by fly anglers and fight hard. Gene will reveal all he knows. Next month, the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers will hold their yearly banquet (1/6/2000), and will have Rick Hafele as the nights speaker. Rick has helped write many of the insect/hatch books that fly fishers in the west depend on. Banquet tickets are on sale at Wilson Motors in Corvallis and at the 12/12 meeting. Please call me if you have any questions – 541-715-2756 during the day, or 541-753-4276 during the evening. The Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers general meeting is the 2nd Tuesday of all months except January, July, August and September, when the banquet and outings dominate the schedule. All meetings and outings are open to the public – membership is NOT required. For those that can make it, my wife (Donna) and I will be giving a presentation to the Santiam Fly Casters in Salem Oregon on 12/14/2000.  Donna and I have a slide show "His and Hers Alaska" which contrasts 4 "grungy macho guy trips in rafts" against 1 "civilized real-food real-heat trip in cabins/houseboat" that the wife forced the guy into  Though my portion of the slide show ends with burning underware (low cost laundry), Donna is substantially meaner towards the male of the species, with her "selective femenism" theory (guys do all the hard junk women don’t choose to do). Thomas Gilg – President, Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers – VP Conservation, Oregon Council of the Federation of Fly Fishers

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Tom, This sounds very ineresting, especially in light of the huge run of shad below Bonneville dam, near where I live.  Any chance of posting a transcript or highlights of the presentation? Thanks, Pat K – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This December 12th, 2000, fly fishing writer, photographer and cartoonist Gene Trump will be giving a slide show to the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers (Corvallis, Oregon) on "Fly Fishing for Shad in Oregon".      First Presbyterian Church      8th and Monroe in Corvallis      Free – No Admission Cost Gene’s slide presentation will focus on shad fly-fishing in the State of Oregon. Often called "mini-tarpon", shad of 3-7 lbs. return by the 100,000+ in several of Oregon’s coastal streams, and by the millions in the Columbia River Basin. Largely unknown to many anglers, shad are easily caught by fly anglers and fight hard. Gene will reveal all he knows. Next month, the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers will hold their yearly banquet (1/6/2000), and will have Rick Hafele as the nights speaker. Rick has helped write many of the insect/hatch books that fly fishers in the west depend on. Banquet tickets are on sale at Wilson Motors in Corvallis and at the 12/12 meeting. Please call me if you have any questions – 541-715-2756 during the day, or 541-753-4276 during the evening. The Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers general meeting is the 2nd Tuesday of all months except January, July, August and September, when the banquet and outings dominate the schedule. All meetings and outings are open to the public – membership is NOT required. For those that can make it, my wife (Donna) and I will be giving a presentation to the Santiam Fly Casters in Salem Oregon on 12/14/2000.  Donna and I have a slide show "His and Hers Alaska" which contrasts 4 "grungy macho guy trips in rafts" against 1 "civilized real-food real-heat trip in cabins/houseboat" that the wife forced the guy into  Though my portion of the slide show ends with burning underware (low cost laundry), Donna is substantially meaner towards the male of the species, with her "selective femenism" theory (guys do all the hard junk women don’t choose to do). Thomas Gilg – President, Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers – VP Conservation, Oregon Council of the Federation of Fly Fishers

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I need some help finding information on spin fishing in Wyoming (Yellowstone area).  All the books and sites that I visit are for fly fishing.  If anyone has some information on this subject I would appreciate it.

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Don’t be intimidated.  Tiny 1/8 to 1/16 ounce spoons in brass, silver, and copper will take all trout in all rivers (and all but the biggest lakes) in Wyoming.   Check the regulations, however.  Sometimes, when it says "…single hook artificial only…" you think it means fly fishing only.  If tiey mean fly only, they will say so. Try to use bait anywhere, and you will probably be shot, burried, and your car pushed into a canyon. Fishing in the park isn’t much good, and the crowds are horrible.  Try the Shoshone River just west of Cody, or the Green, north of Pinedale.  Few tourists fish either place. good luck oz

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I lived in West Yellowstone( west enterance to Yellowstone. There are several rivers west of the park that are great for spin fishing. Also there is a lake naned Quake lake that has BIG trout. Henry’s lake is also great.  There are lots of beaver ponds. the choises are there.

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View Wyoming’s new lure for trout at http://www.fishcatchwy.qpg.com

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I’ve been using an old Minn Kota 28 lb transom mount electric, thinking of buying a new trolling motor for more power and better ability through weeds. Mostly fish bass and muskies, casting toward shore and working through weeds and around stumps.The boat is 16′ aluminum, side console, powered by 30 horse motor. I think I’ll need at least 48" shaft if I go bowmount, probably 36-42 pound thrust, 12 V. Any experience with the various electric (laser, radio, wire) motor steer style vs pedal with cable steering or hand control? Convenience, durability, reliability, etc? I like to fly fish, am concerned about wrapping line around cables and pedals. Is a bow mount worth the significant extra expense over a transom mount? Appreciate any recommendations you can offer. Thanks in advance.

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I’ve been using an old Minn Kota 28 lb transom mount electric, thinking of buying a new trolling motor for more power and better ability through weeds. Mostly fish bass and muskies, casting toward shore and working through weeds and around stumps.The boat is 16′ aluminum, side console, powered by 30 horse motor. I think I’ll need at least 48" shaft if I go bowmount, probably 36-42 pound thrust, 12 V. Any experience with the various electric (laser, radio, wire) motor steer style vs pedal with cable steering or hand control? Convenience, durability, reliability, etc? I like to fly fish, am concerned about wrapping line around cables and pedals. Is a bow mount worth the significant extra expense over a transom mount? Appreciate any recommendations you can offer. Thanks in advance.

Hi John, I’ve used a 24V Minn Kota Autopilot model 824 for the last 2 years on a 14.5 ft aluminium boat with a 35hp motor. The 824 is 48lb thrust and has a remote electric foot control (wire). For flyfishing, a  bow mount with remote control is essential if you are fishing structure for bass etc as you seem to be doing, esp. if your fishing with a partner. You can put the foot control on the rear casting deck but still steer from the front. The auto pilot option keeps pointing to a fixed heading (even though the boat may be pivoting around it). For fly fishing, this option means if you hook a big one close to snags you can point the motor to power away from the snag and then fight the fish without needing to make any other adjustments to your course (you need to fish with someone set up with it to believe it). I may up-grade to the wireless remote version (easy to do) which will get rid of the control wire, but if I coil the wire up carefully it is only a small, fairly snag free obstruction. I got 24v in preference to 12v because 2 x 12v batteries in 24v draw less current than 2 x 12v batteries at 12v. Lower current draw gives higher efficiency (longer life). Let me know if you want more detail. Cheers John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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I need all the info I can get for a trip to alaska…..outfitters who don’t charge an arm and a leg for a nice time there!!!! I like fishing in general but don’t know what to target while there…..any ideas would be great!!!!! Would be nice to talk with someone who has been there and done it!!! Thanks Jerry S.

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Hi Jerry, I guide on the Kenai Peninsula in the summer months and I thought you might find my site useful…. I cover most of the bases for the Kenai Peninsula area which is about the most economical place to plan a trip in Alaska as you fly right into the Anchorage area without another flight neccessary. You might find the page http:///www.piscatorialpursuits.com/akfishruns.htm particularly useful as it will give you an idea of the fisheries in the area throughout the summer months. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me at Bob Ball Bob’s Piscatorial Pursuits Alaska and Washington Salmon, Steelhead, and Halibut Fishing http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com "If it’s wild, let it go!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need all the info I can get for a trip to alaska…..outfitters who don’t charge an arm and a leg for a nice time there!!!! I like fishing in general but don’t know what to target while there…..any ideas would be great!!!!! Would be nice to talk with someone who has been there and done it!!! Thanks Jerry S.

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Hello all, A lucky friend is going to be visiting near Wells, B.C. (near Quesnel) at the end of March. He is really keen to take up fly fishing and wants to start up there…now I know the summer lake fishing in the Cariboos is fantastic, but I have no earthly idea what happens up there in March — isn’t everything still frozen solid, or would some nymphing in the local rivers be possible (and legal)? I kind of hate to tell the guy he’s going to have to wait for mid-April on the Credit since he’s never been to B.C. before in his life (and what better place to get the flyfishing bug!) Many thanks, — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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I have fished that area as well as many others in B.C..I have ice fished in Feb. but never later.Ice doesn’t leave most lakes until April-some in May.I believe that most trout streams are closed in March.

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I have fished that area as well as many others in B.C..I have ice fished in Feb. but never later.Ice doesn’t leave most lakes until April-some in May.I believe that most trout streams are closed in March.

The lakes with the exception of some very large lakes will likley be iced. The ice will possibly be mushy and unsafe. Rivers are closed. Stay home tie some flys or paint the house. Ralph H

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Rivers are closed. Stay home tie some flys or paint the house. Ralph H

Thanks Ralph and DH, that’s as I suspected. My poor friend won’t be happy to hear it, but maybe I can talk him into going on a road trip there this summer…=) at least he’ll get to do some location scouting. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, A lucky friend is going to be visiting near Wells, B.C. (near Quesnel) at the end of March. He is really keen to take up fly fishing and wants to start up there…now I know the summer lake fishing in the Cariboos is fantastic, but I have no earthly idea what happens up there in March — isn’t everything still frozen solid, or would some nymphing in the local rivers be possible (and legal)? I kind of hate to tell the guy he’s going to have to wait for mid-April on the Credit since he’s never been to B.C. before in his life (and what better place to get the flyfishing bug!) Many thanks, — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Cariboo in  March In late march there should be some lakes open. Check the weather channel and there are some sites on the web like the City of Kamloops that will give you some adresses to look up.Also take into consideration the higher the altitude the latter the thaw. Steven  

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Any experiences with Gore-Tex waders in saltwater? I want to replace a hot sweaty and heavy pair of Gralites.

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I have several friends who used Simms/Gore-Tex waders this past summer while fishing stripers in Maine–  no problems.

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I have several friends who used Simms/Gore-Tex waders this past summer while fishing stripers in Maine–  no problems.

Hi I’ve guided using Simms GorTex wader the past couple of year.  They are the best thing I’ve done for myself in the interest of comfort in year.   They are definitely worth the price when you compare to your personal comfort. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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writes: Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  

I think most people consider the downstream mend as a tension technique, but it doesn’t have to be.  One of the reasons to make a downstream mend to help your drift is to throw an elbow into the line which will make it easier to shake out extra line for a downstream drift without moving the fly. You can use the elbow for the extra surface tension to pull against to feed line as long as you don’t pull too hard against it.  Sort of like this:                                                                                                                                                            / Also, sometimes you need to make a downstream mend because the water closer to you has slowed down in relation to the fly and if you don’t mend it will cause tension and thus drag.  One of the things to keep in mind when you’re having a tough time with a drift is that if mending in one direction doesn’t work, try mending it the other.  And remember it may not always be in your best interest to mend the entire line but rather only specific sections of it.                                 Hope this helps,                                        Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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The  down and across drift applys to wet fly and streamer fishing. You want to apply a swimming motion to the fly and present it at a sideway profile to the fish. When you use this method strip the fly back to you at the end of the drift and it looks like a bait fish swimming upstream.  The method you describe about casting upstream and mending line is a nymphing method. Totally different. This is called a Lisenering lift. Where you cast upstream, lifting the rod tip as the fly approaches you to remove the slack and then lowering the rod tip as the fly passes your position. All the while keeping your rod tip in position with the fly through out the drift. Some of the newer guys like to call this high stick nymphing. Call it what you like it is a effective way to nymph. I could go into more detail, but I think you get the picture.                                          Mark Heskett

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Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  If you do the down stream thing you have to wobble the rod to get more line out or mend a lot of line downstream putting you at a greater distance from your fly yet this seems to be a common way to fish everything from open streams to pocketwater. Am I missing something?

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Down and across is an extremely effective method of presenting a dry or emerger to selective fish in flat water….the ONLY successful method in many Spring Creek situations…                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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: Down and across is an extremely effective method of presenting a dry or : emerger to selective fish in flat water….the ONLY successful method : in many Spring Creek situations… Besides this good advice, why not try and cover the entire "clock" from each position?  Up and across, followed by down and across, both sides, then move down or upstream. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  If you do the down stream thing you have to wobble the rod to get more line out or mend a lot of line downstream putting you at a greater distance from your fly yet this seems to be a common way to fish everything from open streams to pocketwater. Am I missing something?

Hi, Contrary to popular belief, a drag-free drift is not always the most effective presentation. Fishing for steelhead, salmon, shad, stripers, (and yes, even trout), it is often more effective to fish the fly with movement against the current. Of course, one can fish down-and-across, drag-free, which offers the great advantage of showing the fly before the leader. I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do people routinely use this technique?  It seems to me that you can just about always get further downstream and quarter upstream, mend upstream and get an easier dragfree drift.  If you do the down stream thing you have to wobble the rod to get more line out or mend a lot of line downstream putting you at a greater distance from your fly yet this seems to be a common way to fish everything from open streams to pocketwater. Am I missing something? Hi, Contrary to popular belief, a drag-free drift is not always the most effective presentation. Fishing for steelhead, salmon, shad, stripers, (and yes, even trout), it is often more effective to fish the fly with movement against the current. Of course, one can fish down-and-across, drag-free, which offers the great advantage of showing the fly before the leader. I hope this helps,   Alan.

     Quartering downstream is a tight line technique, and probably about the oldest technique for fly fishing there is.  Typically used for wet fly and streamer fishing, casting across the current allows the fly to sink.  At the end of the drift, the fly swings in the current (on a tight line) and rises through the water profile until the fly is hanging in the current downstream of you.  To get more depth before the swing, you can make your cast straight across or quartering upstream.   Most hits seem to come as the fly swings.  This can be an effective technique for nymph fishing as well.  (Quartering downstream minimizes "drift" time and maximizes the "swing" time for each cast). John

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Hi John, Of course, one can fish down-and-across, drag-free, which offers the great advantage of showing the fly before the leader. Quartering downstream is a tight line technique, and probably about the oldest technique for fly fishing there is.

The drag-free downstream technique I was referring to is the now common practice on spring creeks of casting downstrream and feeding line at a rate slightly faster than the current. This can be a deadly method on finicky fish that have been heavily fished over. Best wishes,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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        I am interested in starting up my own guide service to those people in Japan who enjoy fly fishing.  I have been fly fishing for several years all over Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana.  I also speak Japanese fluently.  I am just looking to see if there is an interest among the Japanese in fly fishing.  I am close to graduation and the idea of being stuck in an office is horrifying.  If I can combine my language skills with something I love to do- fly fishing- I would be very happy.         If anyone can give me some advice on the best way to do some advertising I would greatly appreciate it.  If you are Japanese and can give me some feedback please e-mail me. (Eigo ka Nihongo…dochidemo ii desu)         Thanks for your help.

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I work for Japanese company and next to golf the Japaneses are getting into fly fishing in big way.  You idea sounds interesting and I have the same sentiments, however I have been working in Japan and Seattle for away.  Let me know your plans in more detail. Wayne

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The recent discussion of fishing vests reminds me that I got the advice to buy a fishing vest one size larger than normal.  This way the vest won’t fit too tightly once you have the pockets loaded. Just 2 cents that I was given and am passing along. Dave

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Wearing a FF vest one size larger also allows you to add extra layers of clothing underneath in cold weather.

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: : The recent discussion of fishing vests reminds me that I got the : advice to buy a fishing vest one size larger than normal.  This way : the vest won’t fit too tightly once you have the pockets loaded. Or, in my case, put on a bit of poundage over the years.  Time to get on that damn Nordic Trac. — Tom

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: : The recent discussion of fishing vests reminds me that I got the : advice to buy a fishing vest one size larger than normal.  This way : the vest won’t fit too tightly once you have the pockets loaded. Or, in my case, put on a bit of poundage over the years.  Time to get on that damn Nordic Trac.

But then again, a Wood River bag fits over anything _and_ provides a work surface for openning fly boxes, tying leaders or dressing a fly.   Bags also offer the advantage of helping avoid looking like everyone else. Pete

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