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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On Sat Feb  16  Joe Humphreys  will will demonstrate his casting  for catching fish then he and around 30 other -tiers will show you beginners how to tie something the fish might like. I plann to attend and spend saturday nigtht in Morganton and fish somewhere Sunday if temp is 42 or above. Walt, Opie any of you locals  interested. Jeff I will share a motel with you if you can stay  in bed till at least 5 in morning. But I will not get up and start driving at 2:30 AM to beat the traffic!       Joe-/*

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joe – i wouldn’t travel to charlotte even if nicole kidman offered to suck my wanker there…so, i trust you’ll understand if i decline your generous offer.  now, if you can get joe or nicole to demonstrate their ability in hyde county, i’d happily reconsider… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On Sat Feb  16  Joe Humphreys  will will demonstrate his casting  for catching fish then he and around 30 other -tiers will show you beginners how to tie something the fish might like. I plann to attend and spend saturday nigtht in Morganton and fish somewhere Sunday if temp is 42 or above. Walt, Opie any of you locals  interested. Jeff I will share a motel with you if you can stay  in bed till at least 5 in morning. But I will not get up and start driving at 2:30 AM to beat the traffic!       Joe-/*

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On Sat Feb  16  Joe Humphreys  will will demonstrate his casting  for catching fish then he and around 30 other -tiers will show you beginners how to tie something the fish might like. I plann to attend and spend saturday nigtht in Morganton and fish somewhere Sunday if temp is 42 or above. Walt, Opie any of you locals  interested. Jeff I will share a motel with you if you can stay  in bed till at least 5 in morning. But I will not get up and start driving at 2:30 AM to beat the traffic!       Joe-/*

Joe, no can do….. I have show/shop duties…. walt

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On Sat Feb  16  Joe Humphreys  will will demonstrate his casting  for catching fish then he and around 30 other -tiers will show you beginners how to tie something the fish might like. I plann to attend and spend saturday nigtht in Morganton and fish somewhere Sunday if temp is 42 or above. Walt, Opie any of you locals  interested. Jeff I will share a motel with you if you can stay  in bed till at least 5 in morning. But I will not get up and start driving at 2:30 AM to beat the traffic!       Joe-/*

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Mike, I took you’re advice, cooked the arse end of the seat off, popped the spigot out, cleaned off the spigot and blank, epoxied the inside of the blank well, shoved the spigot in with a dowel, cleaned the epoxy off with alcohol, and then glued the reel seat back together again.  Elapsed time – a little over ten minutes. The East Branch rods are some of the prettiest out their, very good quality components, tubes, etc.  They’re superb fishing instruments as anyone who has one can attest.  But EB fell down on simple aspects of execution – both the spigot and the reel seat had very little glue on them – the reel seat came apart after only about 30 seconds in hot water.  By comparison, it took about ten minutes to cook the reel seat off my Cabelas Stowaway. The wraps at the end the ferrules are very sparse and probably contribute to much of the breakage.  Sometimes questionable guide placement contributed to the risk of breakage. It’s a pity that such nice rods were let down by such littler things. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Mike, I took you’re advice, cooked the arse end of the seat off, <SNIP Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html I thought you would   Slapdash repairs are just disasters waiting to happen, and you do not seem the type who would risk that on decent fishing gear. If the rod is as nice as you say, I would certainly rewrap the ferrule ends etc, and carry out any other modifications required.  Sparse ferrule wrappings are indeed the cause of much breakage, loose ferrules also. It does not take much time really, and is invariably worth the trouble. If the spigot ( the part inside the rod butt section) is on the short side, I would give the blank here a generous wrapping as well. This sometimes ruins the symmetry of appearance, but saves a lot of buggering about usually. One may often compensate to a degree by lengthening other wraps to suit. Sparse, and overtight whippings are often a problem. If the whipping compresses or otherwise deforms the blank, then it is also a disaster waiting to happen. Somebody mentioned that this manufacturer used "Elmers Glue", I am not familiar with this, but having experimented quite a lot with various things, I would never use anything other than the various epoxy grades for rod repairs nowadays. Even though I only do repairs for friends etc, and not for money, they would doubtless not be too enthusiastic about failures caused by shoddy work. (Perhaps I should mess up a few repairs? it would reduce my workload ! I have always maintained that the main difference between relatively cheap, and relatively expensive rods, is the cosmetics, and the care taken in production.  If you wrap and otherwise build up even a cheap blank with good hardware etc, then you invariably have a reliable and long lived fishing tool,.  Nice if the action etc suits you as well of course ! Rather a shame that a manufacturer should skimp on such relatively simple things, and thus fold. Especially one who otherwise seemed OK. TL MC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I took you’re advice, cooked the arse end of the seat off, <SNIP Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html I thought you would   Slapdash repairs are just disasters waiting to happen, and you do not seem the type who would risk that on decent fishing gear. [snip] Rather a shame that a manufacturer should skimp on such relatively simple things, and thus fold. Especially one who otherwise seemed OK. TL MC

Greg was just being sarcastic with the Elmer’s glue comment – he too is an EB customer with a story or two to tell.  The wraps and stripper guide positions on mine seem OK but Greg had a great EB rod snap due to a combination of stripper guide placement and insufficient wraps. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Somebody mentioned that this manufacturer used "Elmers Glue", I am not familiar with this

Elmer’s Glue is a simple water soluble white glue.  It’s manufactured by Borden’s which is a big dairy company.  Their company logos are Elsie the Cow (on dairy products) and Elmer the Bull (on glue products).  Elmer’s primary ingredient used to be casein, milk protein.  It’s a decent glue on porous materials as long as it stays dry. One of the cool things you can do with it is coat your skin (it dries clear) and freak people out by peeling it off in big sheets.  Probably every American school kid has done that. –Stan OBROFF – Elmer’s is a terrible fly floatant.

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<SNIP –Stan OBROFF – Elmer’s is a terrible fly floatant.

Maybe it is a good sinkant?  :) Thanks for the info Stan.  Sometimes quite a problem explaining just exactly what proprietary products are, makes some things very difficult to understand properly. TL MC

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Peter why not contact East Branch??? I talked to the guy at the Marlboro flyfishing show, and he seems a good guy. would probably be a minimal charge or none for such a repair. and you’ll have someone doing it with all the right tools. if they mess it up, you’ll probably get a new rod.   TD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just had the butt section spigot come unglued on one rod (wants to slip back into the butt) and the re-gluing will be an adventure.  I’m thinking of getting some R/C model airplane CA glue (extremely watery) that will penetrate the full length of the spigot.  I doubt there’s enough space for me to get any appreciable amounts of epoxy in there. Anybody ever try using CA glue on a rod repair. (ya Greg, it’s East Branch – the 4 wt.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html If you can do so, it is better to remove the spigot altogether. It is usually possible to push it straight down the butt section, and after removing the butt cap, simply push it out. Using a fine round file or similar, and being careful not to remove any rod material, clean out the tip of the butt section, of any glue remnants etc. Clean the spigot as well.   Then, using a piece of dowel, long thin steel rod,  or similar, apply epoxy to the inside of the butt tip, and simply push the spigot back into place using a long thin steel rod or similar.  This works well, and is a permanent and reliable repair. CA glue is not reliable for repairs on flexing parts. The bond invariably cracks, usually quite quickly. If you wish to try it, warming up slow drying epoxy makes it extremely "runny", at least as runny as CA glue. It also decreases the setting time a great deal, so be careful.  Just pour this carefully around the spigot.  I have only ever tried this once, and it worked OK. ( I was unable to remove the spigot entirely ). One last possibility is to cover the spigot itself in epoxy, and carefully rotate and push this back down into the rod. Hold the tip of the spigot with a pair of pliers or similar, and be extremely careful not to let go of it. When the epoxy is distributed, just pull the spigot back into place, and remove the excess epoxy, using alcohol or similar. TL MC

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As a builder of r/c airplane models: in fact there is very little flex involved in most airframes (nor is flex desired). We try to build out flex as it detracts from precise control. Beyond that, the glue joints in an airframe are almost always stronger than the materials being joined (given that usually those materials are wood). And for joints that really need to be strong (firewalls, gear mounting blocks,  wing joins, etc)  we definitely use epoxy – and the slower the set, the better… /daytripper (check out my Super Chipmunk at http://www.ultranet.com/~haigt/rcstuff/chipmunk.html ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can do so, it is better to remove the spigot altogether. It is usually possible to push it straight down the butt section, and after removing the butt cap, simply push it out. Using a fine round file or similar, and being careful not to remove any rod material, clean out the tip of the butt section, of any glue remnants etc. Clean the spigot as well.   Then, using a piece of dowel, long thin steel rod,  or similar, apply epoxy to the inside of the butt tip, and simply push the spigot back into place using a long thin steel rod or similar.  This works well, and is a permanent and reliable repair. This had been my initial instincts but being fundamentally lazy, I was looking for an easy alternative. CA glue is not reliable for repairs on flexing parts. The bond invariably cracks, usually quite quickly. There’s a lot of flexing in R/C model airplanes yet I’ve never heard of glue joint failure with CA glues.  Perhaps these glues are a bit different?  The butt on this rod is quite hefty (10 1/2 footer) – there isn’t much flex in it. If you wish to try it, warming up slow drying epoxy makes it extremely "runny", at least as runny as CA glue. It also decreases the setting time a great deal, so be careful.  Just pour this carefully around the spigot.  I have only ever tried this once, and it worked OK. ( I was unable to remove the spigot entirely ). One last possibility is to cover the spigot itself in epoxy, and carefully rotate and push this back down into the rod. Hold the tip of the spigot with a pair of pliers or similar, and be extremely careful not to let go of it. When the epoxy is distributed, just pull the spigot back into place, and remove the excess epoxy, using alcohol or similar. TL MC Thanks Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a builder of r/c airplane models: in fact there is very little flex involved in most airframes (nor is flex desired). We try to build out flex as it detracts from precise control. Beyond that, the glue joints in an airframe are almost always stronger than the materials being joined (given that usually those materials are wood). And for joints that really need to be strong (firewalls, gear mounting blocks,  wing joins, etc)  we definitely use epoxy – and the slower the set, the better… /daytripper (check out my Super Chipmunk at http://www.ultranet.com/~haigt/rcstuff/chipmunk.html )

You in that racket too.  I’ve been building the things off and on since the sixties.  You’re right of course, we don’t want flex but you can be sure that the airframe and wings are really "working" in gusty conditions or when pulling G (or when hitting the ground.)  I have an old bird built in ‘77 with white glue that has held together well, except for the control hinges.  I have a couple of new ones done with CA and so far, so good –  mind you, I haven’t had them out in the last couple of years.

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. There’s a lot of flexing in R/C model airplanes yet I’ve never heard of glue joint failure with CA glues.  Perhaps these glues are a bit different?  The butt on this rod is quite hefty (10 1/2 footer) – there isn’t much flex in it.

My neighbour builds radio controlled model aeroplanes, and he also uses CA glue for some things. I just had a word with him, and he tells me that the stuff he uses also cracks easily apparently.  Most of the flex is in the airframe itself, the actual joints are rigid.  He says that even a mild "crash" will crack CA joints. He also says that this is actually often desirable, as the cracking of the glue joints apparently acts as a sort of shock absorber, and the actual glued parts are not damaged, and may simply be glued again. I don

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Looking for someone familiar with saltwater flyfishing from shore in New jersey. Specifically, I need info such as equipment recommendations, and most importantly, WHERE to fish! All the sites I have found only talk about IBSP and other Northern Jersey sites in detail. Thanks in advance.

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Dear Mark, Fly fishing in Jersey can be absolutely phenominal.  Between now and november we have blues, bass weaks, false albacore, flounder, etc.  Flounder and weaks will fade shortly and albies and blues will rule with bass underneath to mid-late october.  From november to ? bass and blues will be king. IBSP and North J. are not nearly your only choices.  South Jersey has some places which are great for fly rodding.  I will break it down as simple as possible North-Mid: Sandy Hook, Raritan Bay, Asbury Park (dangerous), Belmar, Lavalette, Seaside park. Mid-South, LBI N. Jetty, any bridge in back water at night, April-December, Towsends inlet, Corsons Inlet, Cape May Inlet, Cape may point.  The key with any of these spots is to get on the rocks if possible (with spikes) and work the surf edge.  Check out stripersurf.com and reel-time in message boards for reports.  Equipment: out front, jetty and surf 10′10wt or 9′10wt intermediate line, type 2,4,and 6 sinkers.  12-20lb tippet.  In backwater same if fish are big, but mostly 9′  8-9wt.will be fine same lines, current and depth dependent. Hope this helps.  Feel free to email me to discuss. Damian NuWave Tackle Innovative products designed by fishermen for fishermen Fly Tying / Rod Building Equipment, Tackle… http://www.nuwavetackle.com/

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin. I’m not telling where it is, of course. (If anyone wants to visit the Stanley area I’ll show it to you.) This is a nearly perfect mountain meadow creek — nice slow dry-fly water — which is a change of pace from the fast-flowing freestone rivers that dominate the landscape here. It has a lot of wildlife, too, which I like. As I walked to the creek there were three Swainson’s hawks in the air and I spooked a pair of Sandhill Cranes and a deer. The walking is treacherous because of numerous beaver projects. There wasn’t another soul in sight. The problem is that I didn’t catch any fish. I saw plenty, though. They came in two sizes: tiny and humongous. It was a problem keeping the tiny ones from spoiling the float to the humongous ones. There were many trout holding near the bank that must have been four pounds and up, easy. They rejected every offering. I crawled on my belly to the bank to avoid spooking them (which is ridiculously easy to do on this creek — spooking, I mean), and basically went through my fly boxes. I’d like to think they just weren’t feeding because a big thunderstorm was moving in. I just watched them for awhile and they didn’t look like they were feeding. This creek is now my project. It’s difficult sight fishing for large prey. BTW, on the drive home, over the pass, I saw that it had snowed. Snow on August 4! — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin. I’m not telling where it is, of course. (If anyone wants to visit the Stanley area I’ll show it to you.) This is a nearly perfect mountain meadow creek — nice slow dry-fly water — which is a change of pace from the fast-flowing freestone rivers that dominate the landscape here. It has a lot of wildlife, too, which I like. As I walked to the creek there were three Swainson’s hawks in the air and I spooked a pair of Sandhill Cranes and a deer. The walking is treacherous because of numerous beaver projects. There wasn’t another soul in sight. The problem is that I didn’t catch any fish. I saw plenty, though.

Today I figured out how to fish this creek. It was great! It fished real well with #8 hoppers during the heat of the afternoon. I walk along the high banks looking for big fish. They seem to hang out together in groups of about 2 to 4 or so, but you also see single fish. If there are small fish around there are never any big fish. There must be a lot of cannibalism going on. (I’ll have to try some streamers next time.) Once I see them they’ve almost certainly seen me and have spooked, no matter how careful I am. In fact, sometimes I deliberately spook them because they’re holding in an undercut bank where I can’t see them. Then I have to wait five minutes or so, well back from the bank. After they’ve rested I creep to the bank about 40 feet upstream from them and present the fly downstream. These fish don’t seem to be all that selective about flies and this place is very lightly fished (I’ve never seen anyone there), but the water is perfectly clear and smooth and 7x tippets are called for. It seemed to be best when there was a bit of a breeze to make ripples on the surface. I got my three best cutthroats of the season today. The largest was maybe 20". Well, OK, 19". Also saw a Peregrine Falcon real close. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin.

(terrific little narrative snipped) I got my three best cutthroats of the season today. The largest was maybe 20". Well, OK, 19". Also saw a Peregrine Falcon real close. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

    god, wulffie, what a world you live in.  congratulations. wayno

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   He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

Hey dino:   My wifes weapon of choice for deer is my formerly pristeen Toyota Pick-up truck! And why does somebody named Tamela have a wife??????? — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30. The last one I got was at 50 yards from home — in between the house and the shop.  I got him at blank point range with a model 94 Ford Ranger.  Bambi Jerky, yum yum To alleviate that problemn I’ve moved to the residential airpark and my new shop (i.e., hangar) is right outside my back door.

John, I generally recommend something that uses less expensive projectiles! HF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor…. Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB    He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

Mine is an aging Winchester chambered for 45-70.  It has been in the family since it was new.  It is a little short for BWB’s sniper hunting, but it is the absolute ticket for brush popping the darn critturs. HF

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She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30.

The last one I got was at 50 yards from home — in between the house and the shop.  I got him at blank point range with a model 94 Ford Ranger.  Bambi Jerky, yum yum To alleviate that problemn I’ve moved to the residential airpark and my new shop (i.e., hangar) is right outside my back door. – John Ousterhout – Cessna driver, Flybaby builder, RV Wantabe

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor…. Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

   He he, my wife’s back-up deer rifle is a Dragunov SVD. It does seem to get odd looks from other hunters:-) Dino in Reno

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Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)

Just a minor correction there Carl,it was the "Warsaw left handed Thumbsitting act of 1987" to be exact. It was authored by Stanislaw Podgorski who also authored the "Right foot in Mouth Act of 1982" and the "It’s not Sex,but an inapporiate Act, Act of 1998" often cited by bill clinton… Just a minor detail. Chuck(Polish Historian)Slusarczyk..author of the "He’s not Crazy he’s Nuts act of 1997.

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Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)  – Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

Just one of many "acts" I’ve heard you are so intimately familiar with. And I don’t care if you like it or not, you’re still my Good Buddy, John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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Carl, FYI, I currently own four

Thats 4 POS scouts for those of you not keeping track  (that’s the same number of fingers you have left on your hand including your thumb since you lost that one in the barrel of BWB’s gun a while back you dimwit)

Haa Haa got you there!!  you can’t count my thumb.  Since it spends so much time inserted in my rectum it cannot – repeat cannot be counted as a digit – and that is by international decree my friend – "the Warsaw thumbsitting act of 1987 to be exact)   — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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Ahh!  You got it right John.  Carl is a crybaby.  I may have shot that buck from 700 yards.  It gets longer everyday that I think about it. What really griped me was Carl giving credit to Twyla.  Shit, she just sat, smoked Camels and bitched the whole time about Tommy Cooper.  I have no idea what her problem was.  

She’s just upset ’cause the last one I got was less than 25 yards away, through the PA Brush, in the rain, 15 minutes in the season with a Marlin 336 30-30. And I shot it in the head because you can’t eat the damm horns anyway. She was mad because I looked that Bambi in its sad eyes and KILLED IT ANYWAY. Miss Geeter thought for that fleeting moment I had a colder heart that she did but we all know that’s impossible. Tom "I might just use a 12 Ga. this year" Cooper

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

No not unsporting, but bake ‘em first and it will be considered tasty. Tom "here we go talking about food again" Cooper

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Yah – so whats your point??????

Py Yimmeny, Mister Johansson, if YOU can go fishing,  I can go fishing! HF

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

We currently have a crew of engineers working out the mounting points and the loading system for installation on a Mooney for rec.aviation flyin at Pink Knee in 1999.  We plan to usher in the millenium with a proper celebration.  All of the millenia. Since we have many programmers in the group, and programmers always start counting with "zero" their millenia is 2000.  For everyone else, who start counting with "one," the mellenia is 2001.  However, Arther C. Clarke already usurped that one. HF

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Ahh!  You got it right John.  Carl is a crybaby.  I may have shot that buck from 700 yards.  It gets longer everyday that I think about it. What really griped me was Carl giving credit to Twyla.  Shit, she just sat, smoked Camels and bitched the whole time about Tommy Cooper.  I have no idea what her problem was.  You know, she just turned 94.  I guess when you are that old it’s impossible to reason with you.  She was ranting and raving that she made some deal with God that she can’t die until Carl, Me, Tommy, Tony,  Chuck and O’ring are in our graves.   We made the old bag sleep outside in a tent both nights that she was there.  One night it rained like hell.  I could hear her praying while we were in the RV with our heater on  in nice, warm and soft beds.  I thought to myself.  To Hell with you.  You old bag.  I’m glad to see you suffer, you old decrepit piece of crap.  The next day she came in for a shower and she was soaked to the bone.  Serves the old bag right I say. BWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -PS:  Nice shot Bill.  I notice there were nothing but excuses from old Carl here.  God what a whining baby.

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor….

Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

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I haven’t been introduced to the gentile sport of BWB hunting, and don’t know the rules.  Are Gatling spud guns considered unsporting? "Lennie the Lurker"

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Badwater Bill wrote Got to practice somehow Uncle HF.  It pays to be in shape, and be a good (long-range) marksman to boot.  Never know with the Mongolians or the Turks will come over the mountain! BWB

The Real Truth about the hunting trip: BWB lurks in the shadows of the ridge mumbling softly to himself.  "I’ll get them this time.  Them Turks, they’re after me.  They’ve been after me for a long time but I’ll get them this time." Poor innocent Bambi strolls through his valley not far from where he was born, looking for nothing more than a tuff of dry grass in the late season. BWB sees the movement and says "There they are!  The Turks!  And they’re in disguise again!" BLAM!! Bambi’s blood stained body is thrown against a tree and the last thing he sees as the light fades from his eyes is a madman running down from the ridge screaming "I GOT THEM!  I GOT THEM!" Can nothing stop this maniac?  Who or what will he hit next?  Look forward to the next exciting episode of: "Let’s Go Hunting This Weekend.or I’m Going Settle This Suit One Way Or The Other" Rich Isakson

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Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.  

Some lady asked me the other day as I got out of my truck dressed in my camo hunting outfit,"How could you kill a deer?" I said with a bow ,shotgun, muzzleloader(no not the drinking kind) or pistol. She then said"why do you do that?,don’t you like deer?" I said ,yes ma’am, I like ‘em… baked, fried, BBQ’ed, Roasted, made into sausage, cooked on a grill, made into spaghetti, chili,stew,…… She just shook her head in disgust walked away and went into Mac Dee to eat something someone else killed….Go figure… Chuck(my biggest was a 180# heavy rack 10 pt.)Slusarczyk PS Besides Bambi, I eat Porky Pig,Henny Penny,Mother Goose,Bugs Bunny,    Bossie the Cow and the rest .If God didn’t want me to eat’em He wouldn’t    have made ‘em taste good.

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HF, With Carl on the operating end of the weapon, Bambi can sleep secure. John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Shame, shame, shame. HF

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I’ve been nuts for at least 30 years that I’m aware of.  I actually think that O’ring drove me nuts because of my close contact with him for many years.

Denying any mental illness is itself a symptom of mental illness (see Zoom paradox no. 1).  Conversely if you claim that you’re nuts, you probably aren’t. I’ve met O’Ring and he seems quite normal to me.  Fortunately for O’Ring, being exposed (literally) to you hasn’t harmed him. Carl Johannson is of the same caliber as O’ring and myself.

I’ve met Carl and anyone that wears those beutiful Hawiian shirts has to be a mentally healthy person. Thank Dog, there is NO ONE else the same caliber as you. – John (44 caliber) Ousterhout –

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A whole bunch of stuff – most of which was true – some of which is now Guess what.  I got the deer… and they got skunked!!!!

We did come out of the desert with one deer (this trip – openning day we had two more, and just last night we got a big one during the muzzleloader season – no Bob not that kind of Muzzleloader!!!! But Phillips in his scotch hazed memory has forgotten the real scenario. Were out in the desert just fooling around having some fun – when up pulls this beat up old 1966 international.  (BTW Stricker I’ll put my stock Defender up against that POS scout you have any day – I used to have one-  criminy what a ride!!!) Anyway out jumps this rickity old grandma who immediately starts ranting and raving about "that miscreant Billy Phillips".  It’s Miss Geeter!!!!! She followed the scotch fumes and a trail of empty Tecate cans to find that idiot!!!! Phillips tries to hide in the luggage compartment of the motorhome but Miss Geeter smells him out – grabs him by the ear and pulls him out of there (as we sit doubled over in laughter). Anyway Miss Geeter sits there by the fire with us – she’s smoking filterless camels and belching like a sailor, and tells us that the only failure she has ever encountered in her life is not being able to teach (or more correctly train) BWB anything of any value.  So now she has decided in a last ditch attempt to  teach Bedwetter Billy (as she calls him) anything at all, she figures she may be able to reach him through this hunting stuff. So we drop old BWB and Miss Geeter in the "badlands" the next morning. Turns out we put the SOB right in the middle of the action, as almost immediately this tiny – really stupid buck, full of testosterone, and no common sense pops up 25 yards in front of BWB and begs to be shot. I’m sitting up on top of the hill watching the soap opera unfold. So BWB attempts to put this deer in his sights and the gun barrel is moving around like a bamboo in a hurricane.  Suddenly Miss Geeter loses patience with Phillips and grabs the gun from him.  Phillips shrinks down into a fetal sitting position hiding behind a Joshua tree, shaking like a leaf and sucking his thumb!! So Geeter drops the hammer on the deer, and Phillips flinches like a nuclear bomb went off in his shorts.  Then he gets on the radio and starts crowing about how HE "got him –  he’s huge – 4 point".  turns out to be a little forky – and Phillips was cowering behind the tree while that Geeter Chick did the dirty work. Way to go Geeter Baby!!!!! This as you all know is the true story of BWB’s suposedly sucessfull deer hunt!!!!!! Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. — Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.   Shame, shame, shame. HF

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Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons.

Yah – so whats your point?????? Carl Johansson, Guardian of Yahoo Central  "J-3 frontseater, P-51 backseater" Avid Mark IV N2114N

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phillips you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why all of you bad guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves for heading out into the desert armed with all those high powered assault weapons just hoping to assassinate some poor young "Bambi" on his very first sortie away from his loving mother.  I know you don’t really need the groceries because you can buy hamburger already ground up and patted out into patties at Wal-Mart for MUCH less that a box of ammunition for those vicious weapons. Shame, shame, shame. HF

Hear, Hear Yoram Leshinski

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Carl, While your most of your story is certainly believable and I heartily accept as the truth, there is one issue that I simply must address. Were out in the desert just fooling around having some fun – when up pulls this beat up old 1966 international.  (BTW Stricker I’ll put my stock Defender up against that POS scout you have any day – I used to have one-  criminy what a ride!!!)

FYI, I currently own four (that’s the same number of fingers you have left on your hand including your thumb since you lost that one in the barrel of BWB’s gun a while back you dimwit) (4) of these fine specimens of American Truck production.  Even the sorriest of the lot would be more than up to the task of defending it’s name against your baseless charges you wuss. And if by some miracle of divine intervention, they should fail, out comes the S1700.  And if IT fails in totally destroying whatever that junk example you drive, I’ll dolly up the semi trailer and finish you off with the CO9670 and 435 hp Detroit. However, I’m quite sure that it won’t come to that, as I don’t expect you to ever make good on your feeble claims of superiority.  Obviously, anyone that "used to have one" and got rid of it is at least half a bubble out of plumb. John "Give me 392cid of 1000# American Iron for an engine any day" Stricker PS:  Nice shot Bill.  I notice there were nothing but excuses from old Carl here.  God what a whining baby. — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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I think the people who build and fly their own airplanes are for the most part nuts.  I’ve been nuts for at least 30 years that I’m aware of.  I actually think that O’ring drove me nuts because of my close contact with him for many years.  I was hanging on to certain threads of reality when I met him in 1972.  He’s a chemist by trade and everyone knows that chemists are nuts from birth.  I tried to remain calm and focused as a young physicist working in the same lab that housed O’ring.  But, as time went on and my association with him became closer he drove me over the edge.   Carl Johannson is of the same caliber as O’ring and myself.  Unlike me, however, he was probably was born nuts.  I notice no transition period in his life that caused him to become what he is.  I think he was always crazy.  For instance, he trained for decades to be an Olympian.  He did nothing but work out 8 hours each day for the Olympics, totally focused, totally committed, totally obsessed. Carl is strange in his own kind of way.  He told me a year ago, "Phillips, you come to Utah and I’ll take you fishing.  You WILL catch fish and you will catch a lot of fish in a short period of time."  I retaliated, "Gonzo, you’re full of crap.  I never catch fish unless I fish in the ocean."  Gonzo says, "Yeah, sure, you come to Utah and we’ll not only catch fish, we’ll catch enough fish in one afternoon to feed a party of ten people." Of course the only catch is that I had to walk through a river for two hours with water temps near freezing to get to an obscure canyon that no human has ever been to other than Carl.  Then if you were to try to walk up the canyon on the side of the stream you’d need a four foot machete to claw your way.  I said, "Yo Gonzo, there ain’t no way up this stream!"  Carl laughs, "You don’t walk along the side, you walk UP the stream in the center of the water.  Don’t worry about getting wet, you’ll be wet all day.  We need to cast into the ponds above us as we go. That’s where the fish are." Combat fishing is what it is.  We caught fish alright but the reason why is that no other human being would subject themselves to the torture of the environment to do it. SO!  What all this is head toward is the hunting trip we just took last weekend.  Here’s the Johannson thought process.  Last December Carl asked me if I wanted to go deer hunting with him and his brother this fall.  He asked me 9 months ahead of time because I’m a fat slob and I needed to get in shape to go with them.  I said, "Sure, I’d like to go, what do I do?"  Carl’s reply was, "See that mountain behind your house there?  You have to climb that mountain at least 4 times a week for about three months to start.  Then you have to climb it quickly  for about the next three months.  Then you have to push yourself and get anaerobic for the last three months.  Don’t worry about your weight loss.  You are a fat slob anyway and you need the exercise." Well, I did just that.  I climbed that mountain at least four times a week, even in the summer.  I lost 20 pounds, my heart felt good, my sex life improved, it all came together.  Then last weekend was the big hunt.  Two weeks ago I sighted my 300 Win-Mag in to be on target at 300 meters.  That put the round about 3 inches high at 100 meters, about   1.5 inches high at 200 meters, dead on at 300 meters, 4 inches low at 400 meters and 8 inches low at 500 meters.   You have no idea what it’s like to hunt with the Johannson brothers. You get up in the dark at 04:00 and drive for an hour to get to some canyon in the middle of the desert-nowhere.  You walk up and over about three mountains in the dark until you perch on some crestline where you use your binoculars to "Glass" the valley before you, searching for a lone buck.  You sit there in 25 degree temperatures at 9000 feet looking 300 to 600 meters away.  Carl pulls out an infrared laser distance measuring device. He hits a rock on the left in the center of the valley then an outcropping across the valley and another boulder on the right.  He leans over to me in a whisper and says, "He Phillips, that rock is 323 meters, the hill over there is 450 meters and that boulder on the right is 525 meters.  Get your ballistic table out and figure the drops.  If a deer comes along, hold the sighting point appropriately.  Got it dummy!" "Got it Gonzo.  You can count on me." This is not deer hunting, it’s being a sniper!  Sniper hunting is the only way to describe it.  These guys laugh at me for carrying a 300 Win-mag while they carry 220 swifts.  They shoot 50 grain bullets at 4200 feet per second with flat ballistics, while I shoot a CANNON!  I was using 180 grain hot loads in my sniper rifle, but my ballistics aren’t bad.  That gun can shoot the ass off a gnat at 300 meters. AND

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There is a new product out on the market which allows spinning and spincast anglers to attach a length of fly line to mono and fly fish…has any one tried this product or done this themselves?  Any advice on how to fish doing this? — Pierre                     There can be only one!!!!                             |    

There goes the neighbourhood!   <g Peter

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There goes the neighbourhood!   <g Peter

Uh huh.  I just hope it’s not legal to use food stamps to buy them. Bob

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Have you ever considered the possibility of using a fly rod to cast flys?

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uneloquently put it: Uh huh.  I just hope it’s not legal to use food stamps to buy them. Bob Sorry buddy, I don’t usually flame people but that was a total dick response, even if you were just kidding.  Get a life. Kristina Go UT Lady Vols!!!

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uneloquently put it: Uh huh.  I just hope it’s not legal to use food stamps to buy them. Bob Sorry buddy, I don’t usually flame people but that was a total dick response, even if you were just kidding.  Get a life. Kristina

So what do you mean… that I offended you, and that’s wrong, so you wrote an offensive message to me, and that’s right?  What interesting "standards" you have. Bob Scott

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So what do you mean… that I offended you, and that’s wrong, so you wrote an offensive message to me, and that’s right?  What interesting "standards" you have. Bob Scott

Yes he’s right. Balance has now been restored you dick.

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There is a new product out on the market which allows spinning and spincast anglers to attach a length of fly line to mono and fly fish…has any one tried this product or done this themselves?  Any advice on how to fish doing this? — Pierre                          There can be only one!!!!                              |    

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I am looking for a telephone number (or adress) of a company called Float Tube Unlimited. Thanks in advance                      Thomas — Sender:  Thomas Urbig          Harvard University          Institute for Molecular and Cellular Biology          16 Divinity Ave.          Cambridge, MA 02138          Tel: (USA) 617 495 3716;   Fax:  (USA)  617 496 8726

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Quoting Thomas from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    <I am looking for a telephone number (or adress) of a company called    <Float Tube Unlimited. Jim Carlisle

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I tried to get a catalog off thier 1-800 #, 3 freak’n times.   NO LUCK. Whats with that company??? I went with Cabela’s. John

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I’m looking for a source–mill or distributor–for soft nylon Catch & Release net mesh.   If you happn to know where I can find some, I’d much

I would go to garage sales and look fornets with 30-40 year old bags which almost guarantee release. TimW

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7/8/96 I’m looking for a source–mill or distributor–for soft nylon Catch & Release net mesh.   If you happn to know where I can find some, I’d much appreciate an e-mail.   Thanks.

Hi MRiffler If you have access to the Web go to the Thomas Register, a listing of manufacturers in the US.  They are at http://www.thomasregister.com.  If it’s manufactured in this country you show be able to find it there. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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7/8/96 I’m looking for a source–mill or distributor–for soft nylon Catch & Release net mesh.   If you happn to know where I can find some, I’d much appreciate an e-mail.   Thanks.

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Give Hook and Hackle in Plattsburg, NY a call. Glenn Manchester, VT

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I’m looking for a source–mill or distributor–for soft nylon Catch & Release net mesh.   If you happn to know where I can find some, I’d much

Most people concerned about softness of net mesh would say there is no such thing as soft nylon.  To minimize damage to fish coating you want either cotton or polyester/polyamide. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I went to the Outdoor Fabric Store where I found bolts of the nylon mesh used for sewing vents and liners for the outdoor jackets. I made up a nice rectangular bag on the sewing machine and fixed it to my old aluminum net frame with small cable ties.  Cheap, looks good, and it is soft.  

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I am thinking about going to St. Croix in the Virgin Islands for a week of Contra dancing and was wondering about flyfishing there.  Anyone know anything about what might be there?  E-Mail  Gitfish   Thanks

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I have fished bonefish in the VI, but up on Virgin Gorda

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I understand from your earlier message that you have fished for bonefish on Virgin Gorda.  I’m planning a trip that way next summer and am interested in knowing more about your experience.  I understand that there is good fishing on Anegada but was not aware of the opportunities at Virgin Gorda.  Is the fishing good?  Are a boat and guide essential?  Are guided trips available from Virgin Gorda?  

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I saw in another post that there is a fly fishing digest on he net.  Does anyone know how to subscribe to this or whaever it takes to find it. sounds real interesting.  please post any info on this fly fishing digest. thanks ken fritts

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I saw in another post that there is a fly fishing digest on he net.  Does anyone know how to subscribe to this or whaever it takes to find it. sounds real interesting.  please post any info on this fly fishing digest. thanks

Please let me know too – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ken fritts

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