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Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

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I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

U.N. Cool.  Go out and thump mellons for the "World Team."  I would contact U.S. Customs.  Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up.  Its their job.  Explain the situation, and tell them what you have.  They will be able to tell you what to do.  The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…).  It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts."  The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials."  They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying. Cheers. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

Good luck and stay safe JR!  Hope you find some fishing opportunities! –Stan

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Why are you about to send them all to Italy? I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help. Paul

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Good luck and stay safe JR!  Hope you find some fishing opportunities!

Thanks, Stan.  Compared to a lot of places I’ve lived, the greatest danger in Rome will be from all the beautiful women, and I reckon I can live with that.  A couple of weeks ago, a fellow named Bepo from Friuli posted here, and I’ve been grilling him by email about the fishing there.  Turns out he’s a freshwater fisheries biologist, so he knows a lot.  ROFF delivers yet again!!! JR

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U.S. Customs.  Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up.  Its their job.  Explain the situation, and tell them what you have.  They will be able to tell you what to do.  The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…).  It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts."  The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials."  They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying.

Good advice.  Fortunately, many of the more expensive items, that I’d least like to see confiscated, are Whiting capes and saddles still in their original, labeled zip-lock bags.  As you say, it turns out (according to Kaufmann’s) that products from commercially raised domesticated animals (chickens, rabbits, calves, etc.) are easier to deal with than products from wild animals (deer, elk, etc.), which, to be exported legally, require an inspection by USFW. JR

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Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help.

They were being all spacey for a while, alternating between confusion and breezy nonchalance ("Oh, probably there’ll be no problem…").  I’ve been pushing them about being sure to get the appropriate customs and fish and wildlife clearances leaving the U.S., based on what I’ve found out from Kaufmann’s, Hunter’s Angling, and other folks.  Now they’re coming around. JR

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John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"?  I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind.   She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out. vince

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John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"?  I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind. She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out.

Thanks, Vince.  Folks at my level in the organization have some very nice privileges and a quasi-diplomatic status, but not quite immunity.   The pouch is out of the question, but in fact things are shaping up.  It was the local moving company here that was at a loss; the shippers in DC that subcontracted them are pretty much on top of everything now that I’ve expressed my concern. I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.  All the best trout water I’ve ID’d up til now is too far north for weekend jaunts, but I suspect there is some "lesser quality" water in the Apennines, and I don’t mind fishing for warm water species as well.  Plus, what with a gazillion and a half miles of coastline, there must be a saltwater fish or two that can be taken with a fly.  It’s been said here on ROFF before:  if you’re open-minded and a bit adventuresome, you can always find something worthwhile to fish for. BTW, have fun at the Penns ‘Clave. JR

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I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.

I was in Rome for about four months a few years back. I didn’t have my fishing gear, but I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that paralleled that. The exterior was non-descript but they had some very nice gear inside (including fly gear and some really nice shotguns, IIRC). Not much to go on, I realize, but there are worse ways to spend an afternoon than wandering that area looking for a flyshop . Have fun…I’m sure you will! – Sid …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry! …and, umm, you guys hiring?

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…… I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that

Now you’re talkin. …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry!

Now you’re REALLY talkin.  Thanks, Sid. JR

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

Folks, we have the first bidder. Tim

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR

Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

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I am not certain when the next clave is and where it is, but I wanted to offer the extra flies (I have about 4 to 5 good sets of 30 flies I could put together in fly boxes) from this last Fly Swap as raffle prizes, if you guys think that would be OK? —— Padishar Creel

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An excellent and generous idea Chris. I am sure it will meet with general approval. Thanks once again for organising and running the swap. Hope you have an excellent Christmas as well. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not certain when the next clave is and where it is, but I wanted to offer the extra flies (I have about 4 to 5 good sets of 30 flies I could put together in fly boxes) from this last Fly Swap as raffle prizes, if you guys think that would be OK? —— Padishar Creel

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I am not certain when the next clave is and where it is, but I wanted to offer the extra flies (I have about 4 to 5 good sets of 30 flies I could put together in fly boxes) from this last Fly Swap as raffle prizes, if you guys think that would be OK?

Pretty much guarantees ol’ Indian Joe will show up…

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Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester. Luckyboy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not certain when the next clave is and where it is, but I wanted to offer the extra flies (I have about 4 to 5 good sets of 30 flies I could put together in fly boxes) from this last Fly Swap as raffle prizes, if you guys think that would be OK? Pretty much guarantees ol’ Indian Joe will show up…

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Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester.

That would be the "landlocked rainbow trout" clave, right? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester.

Technically true, but I fear the additional weight of 150 or so flies might prove burdensome to the three intrepid backpackers thus far committed to this venture.     Wolfgang now accepting applications for the positions of chief and subordinate porters

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Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester. Technically true, but I fear the additional weight of 150 or so flies might prove burdensome to the three intrepid backpackers thus far committed to this venture.    

Well, I will be in Germany fishing with Mike in March, so *technically*, not only is that earlier, it is more micro too<g. — Charlie…

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Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester. That would be the "landlocked rainbow trout" clave, right?

‘Fraid not Steve.  As everyone here knows, rainbows are an anadromous (read sea running) species.  There are no fish in this region that migrate to and or from the sea, ergo these cannot be rainbows. Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester. That would be the "landlocked rainbow trout" clave, right? ‘Fraid not Steve.  As everyone here knows, rainbows are an anadromous (read sea running) species.  There are no fish in this region that migrate to and or from the sea, ergo these cannot be rainbows. Wolfgang

I’m sure you know I’m just kidding, Wolfgang. I hope you guys catch lots of those faux steelhead. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m sure you know I’m just kidding, Wolfgang. I hope you guys catch lots of those faux steelhead.

Yep, knew that.  I hope we catch a bunch too.  And at least one of us intends to supplement the groceries carried in with fresh fish.  Last time we did this, we had a rookie backpacker with us (heh, heh).  We had a memorable feast of fresh (5 minutes out of the stream) trout, dredged in egg and cornmeal, and then deep fried in honest to god lard!!    :) Wolfgang here newbie…..here newbie….hold this…..follow me….

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"Wolfgang" wrote Technically true, but I fear the additional weight of 150 or so flies might prove burdensome to the three intrepid backpackers thus far committed to this venture.     Wolfgang

Wolfie, Not if Bruce H. ties them on his size #64 hooks.  :-)

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Technically true, but I fear the additional weight of 150 or so flies might prove burdensome to the three intrepid backpackers thus far committed to this venture.     Well, I will be in Germany fishing with Mike in March, so *technically*, not only is that earlier, it is more micro too<g.

Earlier, yes.  More micro?  Well, maybe so, and maybe no. Wolfgang who has spent more than one day holed up in a cabin in inclement weather reflecting pass the chianti

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Well, I will be in Germany fishing with Mike in March, so *technically*, not only is that earlier, it is more micro too<g.

    then vulfy respondeth: Earlier, yes.  More micro?  Well, maybe so, and maybe no.

    ah jus wanna, ah say, ah jus want you two rookie wannabe clavemeisters to know that there is a 10 person lower limit before the event chairperson becomes an honest-to-god clavemeister, thus becoming entitled to learn the ultra-secret clavemeister handshake and further unspeakably impressive credentials.     wayno…or is that "meaningless credentials"; i never could get that straight…

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   ah jus wanna, ah say, ah jus want you two rookie wannabe clavemeisters to know that there is a 10 person lower limit before the event chairperson becomes an honest-to-god clavemeister,

No worries there, I’ve *seen* what clavemeisters look and act like, we will be sure there are well below 9 (leaving a margin of error for ‘loading’)… <g — Charlie…

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Padishar, I believe the next clave is the Michigan Micro-Clave at the end of April….I believe Wolfgang is the clavemiester.

Allow me add this insight, Padishar. Sending the flies the the Micro-Clave is a great idea, but do NOT under any circumstances consider actually attending said Clave. With Wolfgang, KenF and asadi in primitive conditions with only a limited supply of alcohol, I think after a few hours you’d have more fun getting mauled by a bear –Steve (absolutely despondent over not being able to attend, BTW)

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….With Wolfgang, KenF and asadi in primitive conditions with only a limited supply of alcohol, I think after a few hours you’d have more fun getting mauled by a bear

Fortunately, the Porcupine Mountains are a particularly good place to put that proposition to the test.      :) Wolfgang oh, we’re gonna have a rippin good time!

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Mr Creel    if you want to send me the extra boxes of flies I will present half of them to the Penn Clave and half of them to the Maine Clave as raffle prizes.  { and hope to win one box of each for my own use.]  Indian Joe McIntosh  8828 Olympic Lane  Wilmington N.C. 28411

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Indian Joe writes: Mr Creel    if you want to send me the extra boxes of flies I will present half of them to the Penn Clave and half of them to the Maine Clave as raffle prizes. { and hope to win one box of each for my own use

Are you volunteering, IJ, to be the raffle meister at the Maine Clave?  <g Dave L.

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Dave asks? Are you volunteering, IJ, to be the raffle meister at the Maine Clave?  <g

on top of apparently doing the same for Penn’s<g!!!                            Tom L

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Surprisingly, this sounds remarkably fair.  I don’t think there will be a raffle at the Susquehanna Hackers Into Tackling Shad clave.  At the end of April – first week of May.        Frank Mr Creel    if you want to send me the extra boxes of flies I will present half of them to the Penn Clave and half of them to the Maine Clave as raffle prizes.  { and hope to win one box of each for my own use.]  Indian Joe McIntosh  8828 Olympic Lane  Wilmington N.C. 28411

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Dave LaCourse asks: Are you volunteering, IJ, to be the raffle meister at the Maine Clave?  <g on top of apparently doing the same for Penn’s<g!!!

My first reaction was "Oh, no!! IJ will rig the raffle!" But on second thought, I’m convinced it’s a good idea. After all, IJ always manages to whine his way into the prize he wants anyhow so there’s nothing to lose. Besides, his cries of foul play would be directed solely at himself! –Steve (just kidding IJ)

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Fucking nymph fishing requires advanced techniques. Takes time to learn, to enjoy the experience and in the meantime have a fuckin’ idea where your fuckin’ nymph is. Start by using the right patterns – fucking nymph fishing requires tandem patterns, Soixante-neuf Montana’s and Doggiestyle Bitchcreeks seem to work well. Herman When I’m fishing nymphs I usually have no fucking idea where my fly is. I know it’s in the water, either upstream or downstream from my flyline or indicator, but that’s it. That’s why I hate fucking nymph fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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well hellsbells…i’ve been flirting with nymph fishing, but this fucking nymph fishing sounds like some real fun…where can i get me some of those flies.  since rudy closed up times square, sources ain’t what they used to be and my local masseuse/fly untier at the Misty Blue Massage Parlor charged me an extra twenty when i asked if she had any doggiestyle bitchcreeks.  Herman…you got a supplier in Amsterdam? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fucking nymph fishing requires advanced techniques. Takes time to learn, to enjoy the experience and in the meantime have a fuckin’ idea where your fuckin’ nymph is. Start by using the right patterns – fucking nymph fishing requires tandem patterns, Soixante-neuf Montana’s and Doggiestyle Bitchcreeks seem to work well. Herman When I’m fishing nymphs I usually have no fucking idea where my fly is. I know it’s in the water, either upstream or downstream from my flyline or indicator, but that’s it. That’s why I hate fucking nymph fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam) — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Untying these flies is no laughing matter. I get them from the RedLight Overdressed Flies Factory. Real window dressers! Check out their Fornicating Fly collection, pricy but worth it. You can also rent them by the hour. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well hellsbells…i’ve been flirting with nymph fishing, but this fucking nymph fishing sounds like some real fun…where can i get me some of those flies.  since rudy closed up times square, sources ain’t what they used to be and my local masseuse/fly untier at the Misty Blue Massage Parlor charged me an extra twenty when i asked if she had any doggiestyle bitchcreeks.  Herman…you got a supplier in Amsterdam? jeff Fucking nymph fishing requires advanced techniques. Takes time to learn, to enjoy the experience and in the meantime have a fuckin’ idea where your fuckin’ nymph is. Start by using the right patterns – fucking nymph fishing requires tandem patterns, Soixante-neuf Montana’s and Doggiestyle Bitchcreeks seem to work well. Herman When I’m fishing nymphs I usually have no fucking idea where my fly is. I know it’s in the water, either upstream or downstream from my flyline or indicator, but that’s it. That’s why I hate fucking nymph fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam) — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Fucking nymph fishing requires advanced techniques. Takes time to learn,

I’ve been doing it for fucking 30 years and it’s still a mystery. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Fuckin’ long time for something you fuckin’ dislike.. Herman Fucking nymph fishing requires advanced techniques. Takes time to learn, I’ve been doing it for fucking 30 years and it’s still a mystery. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Like all endeavors, there are some people that have some special gift or talent that allows them to excel. Practice will make you good, very good if you practice "correctly" and enough, but to be exceptional in anything, you need the right tools. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mostly experience. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Fuckin’ long time for something you fuckin’ dislike.. Herman

It’s kind of a love/hate relationship, like those golfers who wrap their clubs around trees and toss them in water hazards but keep on playing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Start by using the right patterns – fucking nymph fishing requires tandem

patterns, Soixante-neuf Montana’s and Doggiestyle Bitchcreeks seem to work well. Herman

I’ve read that some of our early American ancestors used a pattern they called *Two-Flies-Fucking* but so far I have been unable to locate these in my local fly shop. Ever run across these when window shopping in Amsterdam, Herman? Pat K

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I’ve read that some of our early American ancestors used a pattern they called *Two-Flies-Fucking* but so far I have been unable to locate these in my local fly shop. Ever run across these when window shopping in Amsterdam, Herman?

Peter Charles tied some ‘fucking midges’ at one of the claves, looked like an effective way to fish midges with essentially two tied on the same hook. FWIW. — Charlie…

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My best answer was that I instinctively know where my fly is and what it’s doing out there in the unknown.  I know this to be true, but I found it very hard to describe "why" or "how" I knew.  In all subsurface flyfishing I don’t think there is anything more important, but this is something that cannot be taught.  How would you explain it?

Joe Humphreys talks all about being in close contact with your nymph (I don’t go too much for that kind of touchy-feely psychotherapy myself.)  He certainly feels like it can be taught, or at least money can be made trying. Regards, Jeff

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Mostly experience. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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hell jon, don’t listen to those "experienced" guys. all it took for me was to read a book

There’s a book that tells you your fly is in a tree<g? — Charlie…

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I was asked recently to explain why I tend to catch fish on a relatively consistent basis when others sometimes struggle.  My best answer was that I instinctively know where my fly is and what it’s doing out there in the unknown.  I know this to be true, but I found it very hard to describe "why" or "how" I knew.  In all subsurface flyfishing I don’t think there is anything more important, but this is something that cannot be taught.  How would you explain it? JE

hell jon, don’t listen to those "experienced" guys. all it took for me was to read a book waldo walt

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hell jon, don’t listen to those "experienced" guys. all it took for me was to read a book There’s a book that tells you your fly is in a tree<g? — Charlie…

Shoot yeah Charlie. ARBOREEL  FLY FISHING: Pithiness in the Pisgah : by J. Miller. Waldo

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Hey Walt, don’t look now, but you’re posting in html. Better turn it off quick before #2 gets ya. ,      - Ken

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well et1, et2 is just gonna hafta get in his car and drive down here and do sumthin’ ’bout it. waldo ps: bring rods

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en" <html Hey Walt, don’t look now, but you’re posting in html. Better turn it off quick before #2 gets ya. ,     – Ken

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#2 is mean to newbies and the clueless, #1 is nice to newbies, mean to the clueless.  #2 drinks Bud, #1 has taste.  :-)       – Ken

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When I’m fishing nymphs I usually have no fucking idea where my fly is. I know it’s in the water, either upstream or downstream from my flyline or indicator, but that’s it. That’s why I hate fucking nymph fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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When I’m fishing nymphs I usually have no fucking idea where my fly is. I know it’s in the water, either upstream or downstream from my flyline or indicator, but that’s it. That’s why I hate fucking nymph fishing.

That’s also why I use an indicator – at least you know the nymph is no deeper than you set the indicator! — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Wally, proper attribution would note i simply edited the volume. the Chapter "Sons of Beeches, the Bamboo Bastards, and Woodies Astream – Fishing with Waldo" by Thomas Brown is especially enlightening…, but Chapter 2, "Midnight Dance with Poplar Nyads of the Nangahalla" by Lou LaPlac is certainly the master work….   jeff (pithing on you) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hell jon, don’t listen to those "experienced" guys. all it took for me was to read a book There’s a book that tells you your fly is in a tree<g? — Charlie… Shoot yeah Charlie. ARBOREEL  FLY FISHING: Pithiness in the Pisgah : by J. Miller. Waldo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – #2 is mean to newbies and the clueless, #1 is nice to newbies, mean to the clueless.  #2 drinks Bud, #1 has taste.  :-)      - Ken

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I was asked recently to explain why I tend to catch fish on a relatively consistent basis when others sometimes struggle.  My best answer was that I instinctively know where my fly is and what it’s doing out there in the unknown.  I know this to be true, but I found it very hard to describe "why" or "how" I knew.  In all subsurface flyfishing I don’t think there is anything more important, but this is something that cannot be taught.  How would you explain it? JE * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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I was asked recently to explain why I tend to catch fish on a relatively consistent basis when others sometimes struggle.  My best answer was that I instinctively know where my fly is and what it’s doing out there in the unknown.  I know this to be true, but I found it very hard to describe "why" or "how" I knew.  In all subsurface flyfishing I don’t think there is anything more important, but this is something that cannot be taught.  How would you explain it?

It’s easy enough to explain, but a bit harder to do.  After a few tens of thousands of casts one has had enough experience in watching a fly, losing it, and regaining sight of it to have a very good idea of where it is even though it may not be visible at the moment.  One also becomes accustomed to acting on subtle clues, such as barely perceptible changes in line movement.  The same applies to all aspects of what we do in a stream or on a lake.  I’m sure that all of us who have been doing this for a long time have seen and pointed out fish to beginners to whom they remain invisible.  It really isn’t instinct; it’s years of practice and knowing what to look for.

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Had mine for a bit over two years now, the smallest sized one.  No complaints.  Neat little reel.  However, there are lots of reels of similar quality in this price range.  Ryall has conical components which push against each other as opposed to a disc-type drag.  These components are in a sealed axial drag assembly.

More easily visualized as a sealed drum brake, I think.The "drum" is inside the arbor, and the split conical pieces are the "shoes". On the big Ryalls there’s plenty of stopping power, and you don’t have to worry about sand or saltwater getting inside. I am not into collecting equipment so I don’t expect to purchase another reel in this size range until this one dies.  

The #2 is a cute little fellah. If I didn’t already have a little CFO I’d have probably bought one when Jim first came out with the #2. /daytripper

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The #2 is a cute little fellah. If I didn’t already have a little CFO I’d have probably bought one when Jim first came out with the #2. /daytripper

What????? And you call yourself a gear whore… –Steve

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The #2 is a cute little fellah. If I didn’t already have a little CFO I’d have probably bought one when Jim first came out with the #2. What????? And you call yourself a gear whore…

LOL! No – I don’t. I’m just a victim of soicumstances!

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Yes. I have a #8 and a #10, use them both for saltwater flyfishing (stripers/bluefish). Nothing but good experiences with both. /daytripper

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 I have the #2 and the #8 and they’re sweet. For the money they’re best modern reels I own. Bob Smith Before you buy.

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Had mine for a bit over two years now, the smallest sized one.  No complaints.  Neat little reel.  However, there are lots of reels of similar quality in this price range.  Ryall has conical components which push against each other as opposed to a disc-type drag.  These components are in a sealed axial drag assembly.  I am not into collecting equipment so I don’t expect to purchase another reel in this size range until this one dies.   Mu

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Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.

[snipped] Exactly true for anyone not gifted with a T-3 connection ;^) But as for the rest of us, Jon, the problem is purely one of end-node bandwidth. For most of us – and for most of the time – the slow loading of George’s page has nothing to do with routers or switches or backbone performance. It’s the bandwidth at the faceplate attached to the wall. Also, as long as we’re in "education mode", if you think that a 48KB file is broken up into a mere dozen packets (or anything even remotely close to that) it’s time for you to go back to school ;^) Packet payloads are measured in tens or hundreds of bytes (check out the spec’s on ATM, for instance), not multi-K’s of bytes… The solution to George’s page is simple: lose the eagle, and make the darned page hierarchical. Put the latest set of events on the first page, and bury the history stuff in a half-dozen underlying pages, arranged in chronological order with links back on the first page. No big deal, don’t have to throw anything way, and it would probably take a half-hour to rearrange what he’s got now into something more practical… Regards, /daytripper (sipping the internet through a really thin straw ;^)

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Ok, a mini Internet lecture, for both sides of this thread. The processor speed on the client side (and most likely on the server side) *does not matter*.

(remainded snipped to unclog the superhighway) Thanks for the explanation Jon. Mark Faulkner

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Jon Cook: <<Which is *still* not related to processor speed. What you’re talking about is modem speed — and I’ll still go out on a limb and say that any endpoint with modem above 33K or so will still suffer from *internal* Internet congestion, and not just their end-node bandwidth. Heck, I’ve visited the page from a *very* fast connection and have waited minutes for it to load. Gentlemen, gentlemen….. The entire page was too big — since George has fixed it, it loads in very little time, *regardless of when you call it up*. There is very little internet activity at 6 a.m. EDT, yet it took just as long then as it did at 1 pm or 10 pm.  The thing was too long. Dave LaCourse

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bytes per.  We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it.  Your choice.

FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bytes per.  We will try and archive the site as soon as we can or simply erase the majority of it.  Your choice. FYI, the eagle logo is 753×611pixels. It is only displayed in 176×143 pixels. This is not too bright web-design. The client has to download the big image, which is 48K. This is a total waste, since the image displayed on the webpage (176×143) with good compression, should easily be less than 3K (I checked). Additionally, forcing the client to resize the picture, will hog unnecessary CPU. Some clients and machines are pretty bad at doing such things, i.e. try having a mac (a few years old) render a background picture within a table. It will take ages, and one is better off avoiding these possible pitfalls from the server side. Just select "view image" (right click on picture in netscape) to see how big this bastard really is. — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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 I’m curious about the Cabelas Dry Plus – the article implied that the neoprene feet are too thin and will invite leaks. Has anyone had a problem with this? Sam

I have used the Cabelas Dry Plus waders for a year now and I have not had any problems. I tend to do a lot of walking when out on the stream and they have held up great. They have neoprene knee pads which is nice.  They also come with a patch kit that includes the same material that the waders are made out of. If you get a leak you just iron this material into the waders – kind of melts together on the inside. Good luck, Greg

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Thanks to everyone for the replies. I picked up the article on breathable waders in Fly Rod and Reel, and it was pretty informative. As always, there’s a tradeoff – between breathability, durability, and price. Find a match for any two of the variables and it might not match the third one. According to the article, Orvis Clearwaters sound the best for breathability/price but sacrifice puncture resistance. (But the warranty is nice.) The Hodgemans sounded like a good deal in that price range also. I’m curious about the Cabelas Dry Plus – the article implied that the neoprene feet are too thin and will invite leaks. Has anyone had a problem with this? Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There appears to be two typesof breathable waders; the gortex at $300 plus, and the Orvis type, now carried by many companies, at $129 to $160.  Orvis was first out with these they were mostly a dark green color.  I had a pair that worked fine until I lent them to my wife.  Then they developed  three holes in the seat.  Orvis replaced them free of charge.  LL Bean carries them and they guarantee there goods  beyond most companies. I liked them but they are too cold for float tubing, even with long underwear. JackKowalski e t… Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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There is an article on breathable waders in the current issue of "Fly Rod & Reel".  They seemed to be most impressed with the Hodgman’s of the Cabela’s, Hodgman’s and Orvis. JS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – test t… Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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very well made. writes: I’m wondering how well they’d hold up when float tubing. I won’t be doing a whole lot of float tubing, but I wonder whether I should get a cheap pair of neoprenes for the purpose. They hold up well. Wayne Knight Geneva IL

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1) Where can I find Orvis Clearwaters for $129? I have only seen them at the listed $165.

There is an ad in this month’s Fly Fisherman.  It seems that Orvis has had an "official" price reduction on the Clearwater Breathable.  All Orvis dealers should now be honoring this price.

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Anyone try the new Redington breatheable waders? I’ve seen them in a catalog only but they sound like a great deal. Four year unconditional warranty and $169. I’d like to see how they compare to the really expensive Simms. Thanks Michael L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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I’m wondering how well they’d hold up when float tubing. I won’t be doing a whole lot of float tubing, but I wonder whether I should get a cheap pair of neoprenes for the purpose.

They hold up well. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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I, too, have been considering entry level breathable waders.  In addition to the Hodgeman, Cabela’s and Orvis Clearwater, I am considering the LL Bean Streamlight Breathable Stockingfoot waders. Several comments/questions I have to Bill Kiene and others: 1) Where can I find Orvis Clearwaters for $129? I have only seen them at the listed $165.

Unicoi Outfitters in Helen, GA  had them at $129 when I was up there yesterday. — Charlie…

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There appears to be two typesof breathable waders; the gortex at $300 plus, and the Orvis type, now carried by many companies, at $129 to $160.  Orvis was first out with these they were mostly a dark green color.  I had a pair that worked fine until I lent them to my wife.  Then they developed  three holes in the seat.  Orvis replaced them free of charge.  LL Bean carries them and they guarantee there goods  beyond most companies. I liked them but they are too cold for float tubing, even with long underwear. JackKowalski

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test t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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I am excited that breathables will be coming down in price, but our top selling

Jeez Bill, at $349.00 those Simms Guide Models had better guide me to some VERY nice holes! 8^} — To reply, please remove "hormel" from my address.  Diapers and politicians should be changed regularly,  often for the same reason.

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I, too, have been considering entry level breathable waders.  In addition to the Hodgeman, Cabela’s and Orvis Clearwater, I am considering the LL Bean Streamlight Breathable Stockingfoot waders. Several comments/questions I have to Bill Kiene and others: 1) Where can I find Orvis Clearwaters for $129? I have only seen them at the listed $165. 2) I like the Orvis and LL Bean models because they come in both men’s and women’s cuts/sizes.  When I buy, I plan to get two pair; one for myself and one for my wife. 3) I am concerned about the lack of knee protection (for we clumsy) on the Clearwater and Hodgeman waders.  Orvis, of course, has the excellent warranty.  But both the Cabela’s and the Streamlight waders have reinforced knees and LL Bean’s warranty is even better. I am only trying to get more information to make a decision.  Any and all comments would be appreciated. Jonathan Williamson

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I am excited that breathables will be coming down in price, but our top selling Jeez Bill, at $349.00 those Simms Guide Models had better guide me to some VERY nice holes! 8^}

I’m planning to buy a pair of Simms. (Fortunately, I can get them wholesale). I’m wondering how well they’d hold up when float tubing. I won’t be doing a whole lot of float tubing, but I wonder whether I should get a cheap pair of neoprenes for the purpose. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

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Here’s yet another equipment question: This topic has probably been covered here previously, but I’m looking for a breathable wader for hot spring/fall fishing in the Southwest. Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make a breathable wader in the $160 price range. Does anyone have any feedback they could give me about quality of these two, how well they’ve held up over time, etc? Thanks, Sam

Hi Sam, I am sure that Hodgeman and Cabela’s both make good waders and stand behind them, but Orvis has the hottest deal on entry level breathables( anything under $200) Their Clearwater stocking foot breathable chest waders come with a neoprene foot and suspenders for $129. They also have a prorated 4 year warranty. I am excited that breathables will be coming down in price, but our top selling Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Does anyone have any information on the actual fishing conditions (hatch, water temp. water level…) for the rivers in the northern part of New York state (Chateauguay, Salmon Marbel, Ausable, Saranac, Chasy…..). Or better phone numbers where I could get these information on a daily basis.

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Does anyone have any information on the actual fishing conditions (hatch, water temp. water level…) for the rivers in the northern part of New York state (Chateauguay, Salmon Marbel, Ausable, Saranac, Chasy…..). Or better phone numbers where I could get these information on a daily basis.

Check out Francis Betters’ site… I think it’s called the Adirondack Fisherman, or something like that.  Do a search with his name and fly fishing.  I believe he posts a hatch report for the Ausable, and will give really up-to-date info by phone. Bob Scott

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Anyone from New Brunswick that could tell me where on the Miramachi is a good place for fly fishing?   Have wheels, will travel, FAR  :-) — TRAIL BLAZER Webpage – http://www.trailblazerproducts.com

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Anyone from New Brunswick that could tell me where on the Miramachi is a good place for fly fishing?  

The Miramichi system comprises more than 1,000 miles of salmon water therefore under special controls.  So FF is good almost anywhere but access is the main problem for visitors.  In NB you must also employ a licensed guide on salmon rivers. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

Isn’t fishing for customers inappropriate in most news groups? Jim

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a commercial spamerman. I spam 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial spaming. KAILUME SPAM (http://www.spam.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch spamsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER SPAM THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy spamin’ fellas!! Brian

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: I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. : Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. : KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a : product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since : I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site : and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Okay, genius, tell me a good fly that uses a 6" Cyalume stick…

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian

Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

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: : Isn’t fishing for customers inappropriate in most news groups? : : Jim : Not if you use a LIGHTSTICK, and a little spam.   just kidding  :) : : : : : : : : : : — — Bruce Barnard

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…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Okay, genius, tell me a good fly that uses a 6" Cyalume stick…

See above. . . Jim Boise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

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Dan How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

I find lightsticks real handy when doing an all nighter going after threshers. Just take one and stuff it up a mackeral’s ass and let him swim around. mmmmm   mmmmmm  goood!! University Computing Services                           71533,1011 University of Southern California I love the smell of Netware in the morning.  Smells like…victory!!

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  How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Well Frank, just in case you’re not trolling, I’ll mention a couple of ways. Here in the Northwest we get to go after steelhead in the Snake River every fall. The impoundments behind the dams hold a lot of slack water and a lot of people fish from shore with sliding bobbers. At night it’s pretty common for people to rubber band a 1" light stick to their bobbers so they can see them. If the light disappears, set the hook! It beats going to bed… Also, I’ve used commercial jigs that had a short piece of surgical tubing tied onto the hook shaft. Insert a lightstick and jig away… I’ve never caught a steelhead with that setup, but it looked interesting. On a side note, I put a used light stick back into it’s foil wrapper and store till the next night in my camper’s freezer because I’m a cheap sob and can get several hours of night fishing for two nights using one lightstick.

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? A story I often repeat that is relevant with the above topic. Seems I was pier fishing for salmon some years back. A bunch of us were out an hour or so before dawn. Everyone was using glow-in-dark type lures. Charging them up next to a lantern and then throwing them out for the salmon to bite. I asked in a rather loud voice "Hey does it make any of you guys nervous to eat a fish that likes to eat things that glow in the dark?" It got very quiet on the pier that morning. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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Brian, you need to tell us the technique. Do you put a hook on the lightstick? or a reel?  Or…just hang it over the side of the boat to attract minnows/smaller fish??? Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. I asked in a rather loud voice "Hey does it make any of you guys nervous to eat a fish that likes to eat things that glow in the dark?"

Ooh…that’s nasty. S.

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

That’s spelled crappie  ;-) . You don’t have to use bait or a fly either; in both cases, you just might catch more fish if you do! — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman, Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * *  *

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Brian, you need to tell us the technique. Do you put a hook on the lightstick? or a reel?  Or…just hang it over the side of the boat to attract minnows/smaller fish??? Sam I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site

Do these light sticks have a fuse?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. That’s spelled crappie  ;-) . You don’t have to use bait or a fly either; in both cases, you just might catch more fish if you do! —

Don’t know ’bout that, but I’d recommend ultra-light sticks for crappie.

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Don’t know ’bout that, but I’d recommend ultra-light sticks for crappie.

Or maybe put a dimmer on it.

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: : Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure : fish…you are a crappy fisherman. : : Or you could be a crappie fisherman.  Or a crappy crappie fisherman. Or a crappy crappie fisherman that couldn’t catch crap. —      Mario de Sales               |      Pro patria mori".   Wilfred Owen

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Hi All, I read these groups all the time but, this is my first post and I am hoping to get some guidence from all you pros. Last year I purchased a 12′ Sears alum. fishing boat and a 3.5hp Seaking motor from the guy nextdoor due to a split between him and his wife. I got he package for $200.00 and I thought this was an Ok deal… The 3.5 aircooled motor is a little scetchy but, I figure and expansion chamber and some 108 Octaine fuel and maybe I could get a wake…. :*) Well yesterday the wife who still lives nextdoor told me she has a Yamaha 4hp motor and a Humming Bird LCD fish finder. When I asked how much she told me figure it out. Any ideas what would be fair for the package?? Also, before he ended up, lets say, incapacitated for at least the next 10 years (the only fishing this guy will be doing will be at Pellican Bay and yes, he deserves it) he used to take the 12′ boat and this 4hp motor out in Halfmoon Bay (I am in San Jose CA by the way) and fish for Salmon and such…. I have never been in the bay in anything less then 26′, is it safe to take a 12′ alum. in the bay fishing??? Any suggestions for safety or words of wisdom like "don’t do it"……. Positive feed back would also be a good thing :*). Best regards, Len Ball

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Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

I use them, but not to lure fish. I use small ones (Lunker Lite brand) that come with a small piece of clear plastic tubing. I put the light stick on the end of a pencil bobber, and use that so I can see my bobber at nite. I know in Washington it’s illegal to use light as an attractant. I guess I’m not sure how a game warden would view what I do, but it’s not my intent to use the light as an attractant. It’s a very small stick, only an inch or so long. It’s on the top of the bobber, sticking out of the water. I usually run several feet of line down to my hook, sometimes to where my bait is on the bottom, so I really doubt the fish are taking my bait because of the light stick. I don’t see any increase of my catch when I use the light sticks, it’s just a hell of a lot easier than using lanterns, flashlights, etc. to see the bobber. You get that same little thrill of seeing your bobber go down, except this way you just watch the light stick, and when it dissappears under the surface, you know it’s time to set the hook! Try it, you’ll like it! Pete               "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time."                                 Monty Python     Pete LaPlant                     *       http://nwlink.com/~pete/             *

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Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

Is that crappy or crappie?

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about,  Re: Fishing With LIGHTSTICKS!!: Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. Is that crappy or crappie?

A white perch by any other name. — R. E. Harmon National Rifle Association Life Member Texas State Rifle Association Life Member

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – about,  Re: Fishing With LIGHTSTICKS!!: Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. Is that crappy or crappie? A white perch by any other name. — R. E. Harmon National Rifle Association Life Member Texas State Rifle Association Life Member

Fishing at night with lightsticks is the accepted way of catching broadbills off the South African coast.  In fact, it is only since the discovery of this form of fishing that the area has been identified as one of the worlds prime broadbill terratories.

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Thank you for sharing this info. It would help to know which creek. I fish the Stanislaus often, and when I was there for mem. day I had the same luck as you. it would be great to know a secondary place to go. One question though, are the rainbows native or stocked, if they are stocked it would suggest that the creek is popular, is that so? TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

This is not rocket science.  You break out the gazetteer, you look for streams that might be large enough to hold trout, you go check them out.  The one I found is right along a road.  In a normal year there probably wouldn’t be enough water, except for a couple of holes that never dry up.  That’s where the trout survive.  The ‘bows were pretty silvery, suggesting plants, but a little small for the standard DF&G planter.  I was clearly not the first person to find this hole. Happy hunting! Sean Brennan (std disclaimers)

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Tried fishing the Stanislaus below Tulloch dam yesterday.  The river is easily 1 ft above normal levels. The visibility was ~2ft.  I tried my standard collection of bead-heads w/o success.  Did not see any rises during the 3 hours I was there.  Spent several hours in the afternoon on a little creek near Sonora (No Tim, I’m not saying which one) which in a normal year would probably be a trickle, but now has a healthy flow.   Pulled 4 rainbows out with a BH prince, all 8-10".  Just at dusk caught another on an Elk-hair Caddis.  A thoroughly enjoyable day.  Thank goodness for the gazetteer! Best wishes, Sean Brennan (std disclaimers)

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Thank you for sharing this info. It would help to know which creek. I fish the Stanislaus often, and when I was there for mem. day I had the same luck as you. it would be great to know a secondary place to go. One question though, are the rainbows native or stocked, if they are stocked it would suggest that the creek is popular, is that so? TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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