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i gotta disagree here… with shooting heads it is actually beneficial imo to go up in grains or overload the rod.  a 9 wt. will easily cast a 30′ LC-13 lead core shooting head.

I’ll give it a try.  So far however, my 8/9 rated rod throws a Teeny 200 far more comfortably than the 300 line.  I might require a rod with more backbone since currently I find that even after roll casting the line to the surface, I’ve got to sweep through a large angle with my casting arm before I can get the 300 line moving. Mu

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We normally over-line our heads at least one size above the rods line weight.  Most #9 rods would throw about a 300 grn. shooting head. This would be normally a number 10 head.  With leadcore it can go even higher. I would try anything from 28 to 30 feet of leadcore on a #9 rod. A #9 is a great size for throwing ‘lead’. You can use 30# Sunset ‘Amnesia’ mono running line or some other mono. Some use a  fly line running/shooting line like the SA/Mastery .35" salt water floating running line or this new Rio clear monocore .030" running line. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbie question for all you experianced fly fishers here:  How do you go about making a sinking shooting head out of lead core line?  Hawaii is notorious for it’s lack of fly fishing supplies, and especially here on Maui.  Would like to try and make my own.  I have been using a WT 9 F, but would like to fish deeper.  Thanks for the input. Cortland markets a lead-core product called LC-13 because it is 13 grains/foot. The head (the first 30 feet on most of them) of a 9 weight fly line typically weighs 240 grains.  Therefore lengths of LC-13 from about 18′ to 22′ should feel reasonably comfortable on your 9 weight. If you go to a non-fly fishing shop that has a good selection of trolling gear they should have all sorts of lead core in various lb test ratings & consequently differing grains/foot. You’ll need a good scale to weigh the different lead core pieces.  Something that is accurate to the nearest gram should do. FYI: 1 ounce = 437.5 grains and 1 grain = 0.0648 grams Use a loop to loop connection to join your head to the running line. Mu i gotta disagree here… with shooting heads it is actually beneficial imo to go up in grains or overload the rod.  a 9 wt. will easily cast a 30′ LC-13 lead core shooting head.  takes a little practice, but it will work and cast well.  first, don’t do much false casting, use roll casts and water loading and learn the double haul (try to ignore any and all threads on roff about double hauling <G).  plus, the shorter you make the shooting head the worse imo it acts like a shooting head. cb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbie question for all you experianced fly fishers here:  How do you go about making a sinking shooting head out of lead core line?  Hawaii is notorious for it’s lack of fly fishing supplies, and especially here on Maui.  Would like to try and make my own.  I have been using a WT 9 F, but would like to fish deeper.  Thanks for the input. Cortland markets a lead-core product called LC-13 because it is 13 grains/foot. The head (the first 30 feet on most of them) of a 9 weight fly line typically weighs 240 grains.  Therefore lengths of LC-13 from about 18′ to 22′ should feel reasonably comfortable on your 9 weight. If you go to a non-fly fishing shop that has a good selection of trolling gear they should have all sorts of lead core in various lb test ratings & consequently differing grains/foot. You’ll need a good scale to weigh the different lead core pieces.  Something that is accurate to the nearest gram should do. FYI: 1 ounce = 437.5 grains and 1 grain = 0.0648 grams Use a loop to loop connection to join your head to the running line. Mu

i gotta disagree here… with shooting heads it is actually beneficial imo to go up in grains or overload the rod.  a 9 wt. will easily cast a 30′ LC-13 lead core shooting head.  takes a little practice, but it will work and cast well.  first, don’t do much false casting, use roll casts and water loading and learn the double haul (try to ignore any and all threads on roff about double hauling <G).  plus, the shorter you make the shooting head the worse imo it acts like a shooting head. cb

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Newbie question for all you experianced fly fishers here:  How do you go about making a sinking shooting head out of lead core line?  Hawaii is notorious for it’s lack of fly fishing supplies, and especially here on Maui.  Would like to try and make my own.  I have been using a WT 9 F, but would like to fish deeper.  Thanks for the input.

Cortland markets a lead-core product called LC-13 because it is 13 grains/foot. The head (the first 30 feet on most of them) of a 9 weight fly line typically weighs 240 grains.  Therefore lengths of LC-13 from about 18′ to 22′ should feel reasonably comfortable on your 9 weight. If you go to a non-fly fishing shop that has a good selection of trolling gear they should have all sorts of lead core in various lb test ratings & consequently differing grains/foot. You’ll need a good scale to weigh the different lead core pieces.  Something that is accurate to the nearest gram should do. FYI: 1 ounce = 437.5 grains and 1 grain = 0.0648 grams Use a loop to loop connection to join your head to the running line. Mu

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed.

Have you heard of birth control by aspirin? You tell your daughter to put the aspirin between here knee’s and hold it there. Bert

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

As it should be. — Harry Krause I’m gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I’ve read-I understand reality. If you’re asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.  Jim I sure as hell hope so.

Lugnut’s one of your kinda folks, Karl. — Harry Krause Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be.

Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be. Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

Obviously, your opinion is worthless. — Harry Krause We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.-GW Bush.

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When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive.    :-)<< — Sir Spamalot

I thought I’d leave that for somebody else to say.  <chuckle

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie

When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician.

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Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not

worth shit, as any economist would tell you.<< — Igor Correct.  You can’t stop teenagers from screwing, so churches shouldn’t stop them from learning about birth control.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive.    :-)

You think drain-bamaged Waterlogged will ever learn to spell Dick’s last name? — Harry Krause I think we agree, the past is over. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.  Jim

I sure as hell hope so. — — http://www.denninger.net    Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY!

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary? THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus  regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on.

Wow. The Konservative Repub extremists are so nervous about Hillary now they’re calling out their neo-Nazi brothers, in the form of Covington and his putrid organization and even viler followers. I have it from The Source that an interracial couple fornicating is more likely to enter heaven than any of these Nazi pigs. White folks, black folks, brown folks, striped folks are all the same. Some just have a better tan than others. — Harry Krause More and more of our imports are coming from overseas. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.   Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – * * Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white * fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to * abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the * whole deal. * * One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age * marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, * during and after statistics. This is not surprising. Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not worth shit, as any economist would tell you. The only things that work as deterrents are what raises the cost of the behavior. E.g., if those teenagers did not expect to be subsidized for having babies, or if divorces were costly for those who initiate them, then you would expect reduced incidence of these behaviors. I am not passing judgments on whether it is a good thing to make divorces harder. (I lean towards thinking that it would not be a good thing) But if you want to make them harder, you should do it through cost and not "pledges".

I don’t believe your econometric model of teen-age sexuality holds water. I don’t believe the teens expected to be subsidized for having babies, nor do I think your proposal of a high price for getting a divorce ticket punched is the answer. A person more rational than the fundie church leaders who wanted to lower the rate of teen pregnancies and alleviate the pressure on young teens to marry in order to satisfy their glands might suggest classroom programs that start early and teach in increasing detail the mechanics and nuances of human sexuality, impregnation and disease prevention. Teens are going to have sex, no matter what. The responsible thing is to make sure they know what they are doing, that they know how to protect themselves from disease and that they know how to use condoms. Unfortunately in many communities realistic classes on sexuality cannot be taught because of the objections of the fundies.   Harry Krause I’ve been talking to Vicente Fox, the new president of Mexico… I know him… to have gas and oil sent to U.S…. so we’ll not depend on foreign oil… -GW Bush

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?  Hillary?  Is this it? Who’s

there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?<< — Jim Don’t worry – there’s somebody out there who will emerge when needed.  Here’s a little story for you: A guy I knew had worked on a few national war games that involved Congressmen, Senators, administration officials, and people from state governments.  He told me that every time the simulation got to where the entire Washington crowd was wiped out and everything was in disarray, some state’s governor would step forward,  organize the "survivors," and save the country. I asked my friend several times to identify these governors, but he would never tell me. The point is that it happens.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President. He stepped aside this time to support the Vice President’s bid. Watch him carefully in the next 3 years… Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election Frank

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election

  Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year.   Gun shows will be left alone finally.   Microsoft gets off the hook.   Bye-bye Comrade Reno   Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.   A well-equipped fighting nation once again.   Yep. Four years will be a good start.   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election   Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year.

Based upon a campaign promise? Doubtful.   Gun shows will be left alone finally.

I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.   Microsoft gets off the hook.

I think Microsoft already is off the hook.   Bye-bye Comrade Reno

Comrade?   Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.

Do you mean aborting a fetus? More likely a change in methodology and location, from a clean clinic and sterile instruments to back alleys and coathangers. Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?   A well-equipped fighting nation once again.

With budget proposals lower than Gore proposed, spent on a "fighting force" where the recruiting standards are being lowered on a regular basis? — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

  Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred.   Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb.   Pathetic.   Jim

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I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.

  Funny how you blame guns. When they completely banned guns at airports the pilot of that Egyptian Air 767 simply dove the plane into the ocean killing hundreds.   It doesn’t take a gun to kill a lot of people, Harry. Kids can find out in 5 minutes how to mix fertilizer and diesel fuel together.   Banning guns is useless.   Jim

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

Good for you…it helps. Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the whole deal. One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, during and after statistics.   — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?   Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred.   Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb.   Pathetic.   Jim

Your comparison is idiotic and odious. Done at the appropriate time, what is aborted is a fetus, not a baby. — Harry Krause The fact that he relies on facts-says things that are not factual-are going to undermine his campaign. -GW Bush

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?

THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus  regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on. I want to begin by reprinting an article I passed out on NSNet a few weeks ago, an article that got some agitated responses along the line of, "Why are you sending us this depressing stuff?" The contents of this piece clearly frightened some people, and with reason. It is terrifying. We are headed for the Camp of the Saints and now even the Establishment news media can no longer conceal that fact. United States Changing in Surprising Ways By LaBarbara Bowman The browning of America is no longer speculation. It is happening in the West and  South; but it is uneven in the country, even in single states. What  do the numbers say? The United States is splitting apart north and south again, 134 years after  the end  of the Civil War. Wide swaths of the Northeast, Midwest and Rocky Mountain states are becoming  whiter as an arc of states from North Carolina to California become browner or increasingly minority. Minority populations are growing in communities along the East,  West and Gulf coasts. That’s the message from well-known demographics experts Harold "Bud" Hodgkinson, director of the Center for Demographic Policy, Institute for Educational Leadership in Alexandria, Va., who spoke at ASNE’s April convention, and Hazel Reinhardt, a consultant based in Minneapolis who specializes in demographics, market analysis and strategic direction. Some interesting trends: *Sometime this year, white people in Santa Clara County, California, the heart of  ilicon Valley, will find themselves a minority. Hispanics, Asians and blacks will represent 51 percent of the population. *California will become the first majority-minority state in 2000. Texas will reach this status about 2010. *By 2050 whites-those with no Hispanic heritage, will become a minority in the United States for the first time in history. *43 percent of all Asian Americans live in three metropolitan areas: Los Angeles, New York City and San Francisco.  Hispanics will become the largest minority in the United States in 2010. What is fueling these amazing changes? Immigration and the aging of the white population. The Immigrants Have Changed Just look at the immigration figures. Between 1951 and 1960, more than half  of U.S. immigrants came from Europe, compared with 24.6 percent from Latin America an 6.1 percent from Asia. Those numbers have changed dramatically.  Now, Latin American immigrants lead the pack with 39 percent, Asians have  grown to a whopping 36.2 percent, while Europeans have fallen to 18.2 percent  of U.S. immigrants. (See chart on facing page.)  Immigrants, for example, are the only reason New York state has even a paltry  one percent growth. Dominicans have been particularly important in New York City’s changes, for example. William H. Frey, a demographer at the Population Studies Center at the University  of Michigan, is blunt in his assessment: "The ongoing growth in the numbers of Hispanics and Asians in large gateway metros (such as New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco),  and the domestic migration of blacks to the South and whites to the South and West, indicate that most communities lack true racial and ethnic diversity." Frey wrote this in an article called The Diversity Myth, published in the  June 1998 issue of American  Demographics magazine. Of 3,142 U.S. counties, well over half -1,711-are at least 90  percent white, according to Frey. That means the nation has few real "melting pot" communities. In 1996, whites were a minority in 226 counties (about 7 percent). Most minorities-95 percent of Asians, 91 percent of Hispanics and 85 percent of  blacks-lived near large cities. Furthermore, certain regions of the United States-the  West and South particularly-had large percentages of certain minority populations. (See  map on facing page.) New Opportunities Seen Latino teen-agers are of emerging interest to marketers. American Demographics  reports that in the last six months two magazines have launched: *Latingirl, a fashion and beauty publication for teen-age girls. *SuperOnda, which mean SuperWave, a career magazine for young Hispanic adults.  Latina was the first magazine aimed at this growing teen audience and its  pocketbooks. Why? Hispanic teen-agers now make up 13.6 percent of all teens-4.3 million,  according to American Demographics. In six years, Latino teens will comprise the largest  minority teen group in the country. In addition, the number of Hispanic teens will grow at  more than three times  the rate of the general teen population within the next six years, according to American Demographics. Overall, the teen population will grow 7.3 percent, while the number of Hispanic teens will grow a whopping 25.8 percent. Hispanic teens are also big spenders, reports American Demographics. They fork out an average of $375 a month, 7.8 percent more than the average teen does, according to Teenage Research Unlimited. Newspaper Reactions What are newspapers doing about these mega-population shifts? Three years ago  the San Jose (Calif.) Mercury News launched Nuevo Mundo, a weekly Spanish-language  newspaper. This year it will turn a profit, publisher Jay Harris, told the ASNE convention  in April. Advertisers include Macy’s, J.C. Penney, Nordstrom, Sears and American Airlines. In January, the Mercury News launched Viet Mercury, a weekly aimed at the area’s mushrooming Vietnamese population. Twelve weeks after launch, distribution was  30 percent higher than expected, with annual revenues expected in the seven-figures,  Harris said. Newsday has launched Hoy for its growing Hispanic market. The San  Francisco Examiner launched the New City project to carefully track the direct and indirect  impacts of the city’s changing demographics. "These new communities will have some primary source of information in the future. The question is whether it will be us, or now-unknown competitors who fill the clear need we failed to address," Harris said. "They are our future." They are also our future, unless of course we do something about it. Now begins  the old plaintive cry of "But Harold, what can we do besides…well, besides THAT? Yes, we all know we should be doing THAT, and we all know it ain’t gonna happen. So given that we  will not make the one response which is called for above all else, there’s just nothing else we can do about all this!" Well, you see, guys, actually, there is something we could do about it all besides, er, "that". We could create our own country. It has been done before, more than once. What the hell do you think our ancestors  were doing when they got on those leaky wooden sailing ships from Europe? The Jews themselves have done it, within living memory. We could do it exactly as the Jews did, beginning in 1898 when they laid out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Basle, Switzerland at the First World Zionist Congress. We could select a parcel of land-the American Northwest will do nicely-and then we could all actually GO THERE, take it over by a lifetime of hard work and struggle using whatever means came to hand, and finally liberate it politically from the control of the United States and create our own sovereign  Aryan nation, a nation which will some day become strong enough to kick down the door  and take back all of North America. COULD such a thing be done, assuming leadership, luck, courage, and perseverance? Absolutely. WILL it be done? No. Please understand, this article is not a "trial balloon" and Harold is not fishing around for permission to move back to Seattle or any such thing. When I say this will not  be done, I am speaking the painful and tragic truth. It is by now obvious that we are not  going to avail ourselves of this, the only strategy which does in fact offer some remote chance that we might see some results in our lifetime. I understand that, and I accept it. As I said earlier, I am simply going to have my say on this matter now to get it out of the way,  and then I will shut up about it. THE COLONIAL WAR: A PROVEN PLAN I have stated before that within certain very narrow and limited parameters, certain historical parallels do in fact apply to our present situation, most notably the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 and the Irish War of Independence from 1916 to 1921.  (The Weimar Germany situation of the 1930s is in no way whatsoever currently relevant to anything in the contemporary White American experience. That may change, but only in the event of a cataclysmic economic collapse, which is nowhere on the horizon. We saw last month that our Lords and Masters have no intention of allowing the present demented stock market to crash. But I digress.) If we admit the Northwest idea as part of our calculations, something I no longer bother to do since I know it to be futile, there is a third parallel, the formation of the state of Israel, as distasteful as we may find the people involved. There are also other parallels down throughout the past century in the form of African and Asian colonial wars. We tend to disregard these examples because of our own antipathy for non-Whites, our own reluctance to admit that non-Whites could "beat" White armies, and also because many of these situations are admittedly very ambiguous in other ways, politically and economically. It is, for example, rather difficult legitimately to describe as revolution a coup d’

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)?

Chota Brookies are the lightest I have seen. — Charlie…

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Gary,   Get a pair of tennies, buy a felt re-sole kit, drive some aluminum nail through the felt, cut the nails off flush and cement it to the tennies with the nail heads against the shoe sole.  This isn’t the best foot protection, but provides economical, light weight, slip proof waders. Ernie

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I like my "dan bailey lightweight wading shoes"  about $45, really light and durable for me anyway.  They smash really flat to fit in a backpack also. Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks. bruce h Before you buy.

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… Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks.

They look that way to me too, Bruce. I too backpack & flyfish and after some scary, near death acrobatics while wading in Teva sandals, I’ve been hauling my heavy felt soled boots in the backpack. I got a good look at Steve’s Patagonia boots in North Carolina and while I have no first hand (foot) experience with them, I think they’ll be my next purchase in wading boots. — Ken Fortenberry

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

In addition to the other responses, you might want to check out Five-Ten water shoes. They are intended primarily for paddlers, but they will do in a pinch as lightweight, warm-water wading shoes. See http://www.fiveten.net/Product/water.html (no endorsement, liminable or subliminable, is intended or implied)

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  … In addition to the other responses, you might want to check out Five-Ten water shoes. …

5.10 rubber soles may be OK for some wading, but if you’re wading on rocks you’ll want felt soles. — Ken Fortenberry

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I too backpack & flyfish and after some scary, near death acrobatics while wading in Teva sandals, I’ve been hauling my heavy felt soled boots in the backpack.

I glued felt to the bottoms of an old pair of Teva’s and they work pretty well.   Willi

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Patagonia makes the best lightweight wading boots I know of. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Patagonias for me! I bought a pair last Fall and have never regretted it. They are very well built and lightweight to boot.

I wore out my pair last year, sent them back for new felt soles, and they sent me a brand new pair of boots. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them.  Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

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My kid brother’s worn-out size 14 basketball shoes. Glue on felt soles. Use ‘em as camp shoes too, if you don’t mind wet feet. — "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum" — Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who sells the lightest wading shoes

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Patagonias for me! I bought a pair last Fall and have never regretted it. They are very well built and lightweight to boot. Drifter

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I have a pair of hodgeman bantam weights that are extremely light "dry"…some of the seams blew out after about 11 months use,(1 year warranty), just got a new pair on warranty. I agree with Ken, what works best for me is to hike them in. Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Patagonias look like the best lightweight felts to me, but i bet they’re big bucks. They look that way to me too, Bruce. I too backpack & flyfish and after some scary, near death acrobatics while wading in Teva sandals, I’ve been hauling my heavy felt soled boots in the backpack. I got a good look at Steve’s Patagonia boots in North Carolina and while I have no first hand (foot) experience with them, I think they’ll be my next purchase in wading boots. — Ken Fortenberry

Before you buy.

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Orvis has a tennis shoe type wading shoe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I combine backpacking and flyfishing.  I have an old pair of very light weight wading shoes which are falling apart and I need to replace them. Who sells the lightest wading shoes (barring sandels which do not protect the toes)? Thanks, Gary Connors

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In addition to the other responses, you might want to check out Five-Ten water shoes. They are intended primarily for paddlers, but they will do in a pinch as lightweight, warm-water wading shoes. See http://www.fiveten.net/Product/water.html (no endorsement, liminable or subliminable, is intended or implied)

I have a pair of the 5/10 shoes, with aqua-stealth soles.  They are sooooo good that I got my wife a pair.  They were on sale at REI for $50 (half off). For the first time, I was able to wade the E Walker with no slipping at all (bowling balls covered with snot). Bought ‘em a size big so they fit over my wader booties.   Good luck. Dick Weinkle

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I have a pair of the 5/10 shoes, with aqua-stealth soles.  They are sooooo good that I got my wife a pair.  They were on sale at REI for $50 (half off).

Going completely OT:   Michael Jackson went to K-Mart because he heard boys pants were half off.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes It looks, from the pictures in the Old Town catalogue as if the pack may have a  slightly shallower and more curved hull – do you think this would make much difference over the 119k? (stability, or dryness?) If you can find them both on display, take a close look at them. The cross section line drawing in the catalog for the Pack looks more like the actual profile of the 119K in real life. The bottom of the 119 isn’t nearly as flat as the catalog line drawing would suggest; it’s more like a shallow-V, with a nice curve into the bilges. The 119 should be slightly dryer as it is a couple of inches deeper in the center, bow, and stern, has a bit more flare on the sides, and has a slightly higher load rating (although I don’t think I would try to put that much into one!). Either would likely be good choice for your intended use. Good luck! Bob

Thanks for your help, Bob. I think I may go for the 119. Roger —

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 I have had my "pack" for about 3 years now and have taken it from boundary waters to the everglades. Its a great little canoe…pretty stable until the water gets about 1/2-1 foot chop with hefty breeze then it gets dicey & youll want a heavier craft…easy to portage, nice & light…not a speed demon but it’ll get ya there..I prefer a kayak paddle, better tracking..hardly draws any water with my 190 lbs in it…only downside is it needs some kind of skid plate to combat abrasion on the bottoms bow & aft. I wouldnt trade it for anything except maybe a ceder strip cajun piroque Before you buy.

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It looks, from the pictures in the Old Town catalogue as if the pack may have a  slightly shallower and more curved hull – do you think this would make much difference over the 119k? (stability, or dryness?)

        Again, never been inthe 119k, but the Pack is pretty damned stable in my opinion. Any way, tgb, your description of your use of the pack sounds a very pleasant way to spend a day!

        Yeah, from little trout lake to trout lake. But want to add that this is often done while on week or so solo trips, and that little canoe has handled all my gear for same. (Generally consisting of one large

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How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ? Thanks, again, very very much. — TimW

        anybody that uses canon equipment has *got* to be a fish-killin’, beer drinkin’ reprobate.         olympus rules!         email me with your detailed needs, buddy, and i will try to find something for you. happy thanksgiving! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Tim, These will not fit an EOS mount.  I beleive you can get and FD/EOS adapter, however you lose all your metering functions – not a good thing eh! If you need bellows there are the Novaflex autobellows for EOS, you may have to hunt around for them second hand, I beleive that they are not cheap. Alternatively I use Hoya close-up filters on a 50mm 1.8 lens, these do a good job, you have to be very careful with your focusing and depth of field. Canon now actually make extension tubes for EOS – however I don’t know how much they cost, so you I can’t comment on them. Regards, AS

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: [deleted] : No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on : their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. : Is there an adapter ? AutoFocus is unimportant and the TTL metering should : work regardless ? Pasted from my save file: Can any one refer me to some resources on the internet that explain the difference betwen Canon’s FD and EF Lenses?  I also would like to find out the compatibility issues of FD lenses with Canon EOS Cameras?

Canon EF lenses are autofocus (usually with manual focus capability); they fit Canon EOS camera bodies.  Aperture is 100% electronic and can only be set from the camera body.  EF lenses cannot be mounted on a F, A, or T series (FD) camera body; adapters are not available. Canon FD lenses are manual focus only; they fit on the older Canon F, A and T series camera bodies.  Aperture is set on the lens by turning a ring or placed on "A" (or "O") for automatic aperture setting.  FD lenses cannot be mounted on an EOS (autofocus) camera without an adapter. FD/EF adapters are either optical or macro.  Macro adapters will not allow the lens to focus to infinity.  Optical adapters made by Canon are useable only on certain expensive telephoto lenses.  Optical adapters made by 3rd parties are not noted for quality.  When FD lenses are used with any EF adapter, focus will be manual and metering must be performed manually with the lens stopped-down to the taking aperture. Dave Herzstein http://www.kjsl.com/~dave/index.html Bill Jameson

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You can probably achieve fair to good quality if your are careful with tripod mounted camera and close-up lens attachments  that are much cheaper than extension tubes and bellows.  Check with B&H in NY.

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For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes I can’t find these….what do I ask for ? What is the best I can hope for on this in terms of ‘magnification’ ?

Kenko is a brand name of some extension tubes.  There are others.  Look in the B&H ads in the mags.  Canon has there own set (more expensive.) Now, as far as ‘magnification’ is concerned, I hope you realize that you are delving into an area of photography where simple one line answers on USENET are not going to serve you well.  Suggest you start reading some books on macro photography. Magnification is a function of object distance (from lens), the focal length of the lens, and the image distance (from lens to film).  Change any one of these three and you will change the magnification.  As an experiment, pick up a plain ‘ol magnifying glass, and focus an image (let’s say from your monitor screen) onto the back of your hand.  Then walk a few feet away and try again.  You’ll notice that the image on your hand is smaller.  What you’ve done is change the object distance and observed the difference in size due to it. Magnification is defined as the image distance divided by the object distance.  Thus the closer you can get to an object the greater the magnification.  Conversely, if you can increase the image distance then you will also get greater magnification. What extension tubes accomplish is the latter.  They move the lens away from the film, thus increasing the magnification. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies. Could this still hook up through the shoe and provide TTL ?

Yes, there are ring lights that will work with EOS and still have TTL flash control. How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ?

Let’s see, a 35mm frame is 1.5” long, the item is 1/4" long, so the magnification required would be (1.5)/(1/4) = 6.  You are talking ‘real’ macrophotography, it IS NOT the stuff most people think about when they buy the so called 105mm ‘macro’ lenses!  You’d need the bellows unit, and a lens that could work with it.  Canon makes them.  There are third party items as well. Real macrophotography is very involved, and costs bucks. Canon publishes a "Macro" book; B&H has it listed for $18, I suggest you order it. BTW, Canon just came out with a special macro lens that can go to 5x, almost your requirement!  Expect to pay around $1050 for it.  The focal length is only 65mm though. -dan

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Thank you. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ? No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

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[deleted] No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90.

Is there an adapter ? AutoFocus is unimportant and the TTL metering should work regardless ? For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes

I can’t find these….what do I ask for ? What is the best I can hope for on this in terms of ‘magnification’ ? and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens.

Again…the photo shop here in Podunk didn’t have this…at least not for the EOS…sources ?  I do have magnification filters (+1, +2, +4) and these work so-so…I’ve been putting them all together and just feel really cheesy about it. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

Could this still hook up through the shoe and provide TTL ? How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ? Thanks, again, very very much. — TimW

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I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ? Does anybody have an extension tube/bellows or macro lens they could part with for a fair price ? Lights ? I’m trying to do some photographs of fishing flies for scanning and posting and am very much an amateur with a desire to do a good job. Thanks very much… — TimW

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I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ?

No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

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That’s real interesting!

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but don’t come for the atlantic salmon fishing – the spring season as reported in April Trout and Salmon mag. has been generally very poor with few fish caught, and a lot of excuses (none of which conceal the awful truth of a near collapse of Atlantic Salmon stocks.  Read Fly Fisherman current issue…….tight lines elsewhere guys

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Hi.  I’m fairly new to southern Erie County, NY.  I’ve heard that there is nice salmon fishing in Eighteen Mile Creek in the fall, and I’d like to prepare.  Is anyone out here familiar with this water?  I am interested in when, where, and how (with what).  I am fairly familiar with it from Lake Erie to the big fork.  Would really appreciate any advice or even a partner.  (have chests wades and a small 4wd)  Could do either fly/spin/livebait).  Thanks again for any help.                                         Michael Kankiewicz                                         Business / Government Documents                                         Lockwood Memorial Library                                         University at Buffalo

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Hi Mike, I take it you attend U.B since your sending this from the grad library . 18 mile is nit really a good chinook salmon tributary. actually the chinook salmon  population is fairly limited in all of lake erie. You will some coho salmon in 18 and other lake erie tributaries but most of all you will find steelhead. The primary tackle on 18 is egg sacks for steelhead,power bait. I float fish for steelhead with a 13 ft rod and a centerpin float reel as they do in canada. i also fly fish . if you fly fish on 18 i suggest small flies size 8 thru 10 egg sucking leaches,  size 8 glow bugs. at time the current can be slow esp in winter and water gin clear you may want to use a small float for strike indicator.Since your new to the area i suggest you go to the book store to pick up the sanders guide -which will give you all the spots in the area. If your still interest in chinook try oak orachard creek in orleans county,18 mile creek in niagara county or the lower niagara itself–lake ontario has larger population of chinooks-which proably will show up by end of september.If you dont mind taking a long ride say for a weekend there is the salmon river north of syracuse–you proably already know about that RIVERS REPUTATION AS WORLD CLASS. I hope this helps e mail if you have more questions.

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Hi Group It seems like everytime I leave for a while my email gets messed up.  If any of you have tried to contact me in the last week, please do so again. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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Hi Al — welcome home In light of some of the posts recently i have to start this with THIS IS A JOKE… but maybe nobody wanted to talk to you!!!!  ;) jg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not an expert on Redfish, but I have fished for them with flies in  Tampa Bay, and I have a good friend who even catches them there that way. The fundamental secret is sinking line.  Redfish are downlooking feeders. They like shrimp, shrimp dive for the bottom when they see predators.  If  you can make a shrimp imitation head for the bottom on the retrieve, you   should have some success.  I understand  that green and white Lefty’s  Deceivers and Clouser innows are pretty good too.  Good luck, I did throw a line at some enormous RF there in Tampa Bay, and  the ones my boatmates caught on bait were quite a handful (18-25#). Crashjibe

Get the August/September issue of Fly Fishing Saltwater.  One of the articles is Florida’s Indian River Lagoon. The Indian river is on the East coast of Florida rather than the west coast where Tampa, but Jon Cave, the author talks extensively about catching redfish and trout.  I am also taking a fly fihsing course from him this weekend.  His favorite is a deerhair surface popper.  He also suggests streamer flies, and bendbacks.  Clouser deep minnows and keel-hook flies are recommended.  Use a 7 to 9 weight system and a floating line for most situations.  Reds like surface disturbances and noise. From my own experience, if you can get something flashy and something that rattles, a red will strike it no matter where it is.  They will get surface flies as well as deep water flies. Good luck!

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish my Father-in-law is takeing on cut bait!  I know that they don’t see well, and I know that fly’s don’t have much of a stink to them???  I am a newbie to fly fishing…any and all help would be very much appreciated!

Starting from the surface and working to the bottom: Floater — Pencil poppers – white or yellow with red head. Slow sinker — SeaDucers – same colors. Medium sinker — Lefty’s Deceivers or Blondes. Faster sinker — Bendbacks, deceivers and blondes with bead chain eyes. Bottom bouncers — Clouser minnows and larger crazy charlies. Check with the locals on what is hot the days you are there.

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I’m not an expert on Redfish, but I have fished for them with flies in Tampa Bay, and I have a good friend who even catches them there that way. The fundamental secret is sinking line.  Redfish are downlooking feeders. They like shrimp, shrimp dive for the bottom when they see predators.  If you can make a shrimp imitation head for the bottom on the retrieve, you should have some success.  I understand  that green and white Lefty’s Deceivers and Clouser innows are pretty good too. Good luck, I did throw a line at some enormous RF there in Tampa Bay, and the ones my boatmates caught on bait were quite a handful (18-25#). Crashjibe

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish — deleted Thanks…Craig.

I plan a trip in Jan and my info says Clouser minnows, both with and without bead head eyes in green/white.  I ‘ll try some pink/biege for shrimp imitatisons too.  They are easy to tie.  Crazy Charlies have a body wrap that I can’t identify so I will buy them or tie there.  Anyone have a quickie crab pattern?

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish my Father-in-law is takeing on cut bait!  I know that they don’t see well, and I know that fly’s don’t have much of a stink to them???  I am a newbie to fly fishing…any and all help would be very much appreciated! Thanks…Craig. —              "Sometimes you get shown the Light,               in the strangest places if you look at right"

   I seem to remember a "shrimp" pattern as being reasonably successful…    But it’s been quite a while and I was fishing in the marshes of south    Louisiana (Lafitte, etc.).    Hap —                 <<<<< OMNIA EXTARES                              

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I am going to Tampa in two weeks, and would like to know what flys will catch some of the ultra large redfish my Father-in-law is takeing on cut bait!  I know that they don’t see well, and I know that fly’s don’t have much of a stink to them???  I am a newbie to fly fishing…any and all help would be very much appreciated! Thanks…Craig. —               "Sometimes you get shown the Light,                in the strangest places if you look at right"

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