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Darn it!!! Try this:

Nice TR snipped. Proof that persistence pays in fishing AND formatting Steve

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I hope the formatting comes through correctly TR:  Putah Creek – above Winters, CA Just thought I should get a

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My e-mail address here is manipulated, but if you have no objections, I would e-mail you directly with my address. I would be most interested in seeing the pictures.

Sure, use the address in this post, Peter.

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Thanks again for the info,   You obviously know a lot about antique rods. I will take your advice and show the rod to some "antique tackle dealers".  My best option is to make some pictures and send them over the internet as there are not many such dealers where I live (France, near the border to Geneva, Switzerland). If you are interested I’ll post the pictures to the alt.binaries… group as well (I’d like to hear what you think after seeing it) Tight lines, Peter.

Well, I know a little, not really a lot, and my knowledge is based more on the techniques and materials used in building rods, and a little fly-fishing history, than on any great experience in handling antique examples. I am unfortunately unable to see ABPF. I had it for a little while, on a public server, but it was extremely flaky, and now seems to have failed altogether. I would be interested in learning what the dealers you contact eventually say. Just to see if my guess is correct. My e-mail address here is manipulated, but if you have no objections, I would e-mail you directly with my address. I would be most interested in seeing the pictures. TL MC

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Thanks again for the info,   You obviously know a lot about antique rods. I will take your advice and show the rod to some "antique tackle dealers".  My best option is to make some pictures and send them over the internet as there are not many such dealers where I live (France, near the border to Geneva, Switzerland). If you are interested I’ll post the pictures to the alt.binaries… group as well (I’d like to hear what you think after seeing it) Tight lines, Peter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the replies,   I suppose that "greenheart" is some kind of wood other than cane. In fact, it did not look like a splitcane rod at all; no visible joint glued parts, it rather looks like one solid piece of wood. Peter.  If it is completely round, this is usually a sign that it is either greenheart, lancewood, or similar.  These are tropical woods which were used a lot for rodmaking before the advent and general use of split-cane constructions.  Some rods made of these woods  had decorative wrappings, although these served no useful purpose. Non-visible joints are not necessarily a sign that it is not cane. Cane constructions are usually hexagonal in cross-section, there are also other forms extant, but these will also usually be obvious polygons of some nature. It is also possible that the rod is whole cane, but this is unlikely. Wrappings on cane were not simply decorative, but were also used as reinforcement, and in some case some makers were of the opinion that such wrappings could stiffen a rod. Such a rod might be very valuable indeed to a collector. It is more or less essential that you obtain opinions from a couple of good antique tackle dealers. TL MC

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Thanks for the replies,   I suppose that "greenheart" is some kind of wood other than cane. In fact, it did not look like a splitcane rod at all; no visible joint glued parts, it rather looks like one solid piece of wood. Peter.

 If it is completely round, this is usually a sign that it is either greenheart, lancewood, or similar.  These are tropical woods which were used a lot for rodmaking before the advent and general use of split-cane constructions.  Some rods made of these woods  had decorative wrappings, although these served no useful purpose. Non-visible joints are not necessarily a sign that it is not cane. Cane constructions are usually hexagonal in cross-section, there are also other forms extant, but these will also usually be obvious polygons of some nature. It is also possible that the rod is whole cane, but this is unlikely. Wrappings on cane were not simply decorative, but were also used as reinforcement, and in some case some makers were of the opinion that such wrappings could stiffen a rod. Such a rod might be very valuable indeed to a collector. It is more or less essential that you obtain opinions from a couple of good antique tackle dealers. TL MC

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Thanks for the replies,   I suppose that "greenheart" is some kind of wood other than cane. In fact, it did not look like a splitcane rod at all; no visible joint glued parts, it rather looks like one solid piece of wood. Peter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all,   I was at a friends house the other night and he showed me an old wooden rod that he received many years ago. The rod is marked "Geo Wilkins & Son LTD Redditch". It is a four piece rod including two top sections. It is a dark brown round wood and it has a number of colored wraps from top to bottom. It doesn’t look as if it has been used much (or at all) Does anybody out there know if this rod has any value either for fishing or for a collector? Cheers, Peter. I have seen one rod from this firm before. It was a cane two piece rod about 9 feet. It was sold for fifty pounds at auction, but this was quite some time ago now. Prices for some of these things have become rather silly nowadays. You don

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I love you man! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Given normal variation in preferences and style no one need ever know what your flies, whatever you decide to call them, are supposed to look like.  In this swap, only one person, besides yourself, will ever know whether or not any two copies of your pattern bear a familial resemblance to one another and I give you my personal guarantee that he’ll never talk. Wolfgang who knows where his masseuse lives ….but I can be bought. <seg  Well Op, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to me judging your tying efforts. Given my ratty-assed flies, there is no way I’d have the cojones to rate yours or anyone elses flies. You’re safe my friend. Frank Five Thumbs Church

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You’re not helpin’ matters Eugene!  Now I’m in tears and have flushed all my previous ties. Op  –headin’ to Wally’s shop to buy 41 decently tied flyz–

ya want me set aside 41 different flies <g op, i plan on being there saturday am to do some paperwork and such. why doncha swing by with your stuff and we’ll see if we can fix ‘em up good fer ya. i’ll be leaving about noonish to go pick marie up from her folks house…… i might be able to fish sunday…. –walt

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….well, let me knock you outa that preen boy… you tie a better fly than rachel and she’ll eviscerate you worse than any deer you never killed and gutted… we’re counting on you. jeff (you other fellas might take note as well) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Op  –findin’ encouragement, and the courage to tie in every post–

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Given normal variation in preferences and style no one need ever know what your flies, whatever you decide to call them, are supposed to look like.  In this swap, only one person, besides yourself, will ever know whether or not any two copies of your pattern bear a familial resemblance to one another and I give you my personal guarantee that he’ll never talk. Wolfgang who knows where his masseuse lives

….but I can be bought. <seg  Well Op, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to me judging your tying efforts. Given my ratty-assed flies, there is no way I’d have the cojones to rate yours or anyone elses flies. You’re safe my friend. Frank Five Thumbs Church

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op, thursday eve…. 6-6:30…… tommy’s fly tying class starts.

Snippage of good advice… Thanks for the heads-up Wally, but I think I will have to wait for the next session of classes.  If I work long and hard enough, I believe that I will be able to tie some decent flyz.  Once I complete this task, maybe we can go fishin’ like reel men do? Op

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in the for what it is worth department, for some time, my elk hair caddis’s, no matter what technique I used to tie the hair on with, would always slip and not "lie straight" on the hook. though i put a few in the box anyway,I would never use them. One day on the hiwassee, during a massive caddis hatch, I changed flies from the emerger to the ehc, wasn’t not paying attention and tied on one of my crooked hair flies. really didn’t notice it until my fly landed admist the real ones. muttered an expletive and started to bring it in when a fish took it. then another, and another and so on. later i tried the same tie on another stream and caugh fish with it. A friend theorized that the fly looked like a cripple and therefore easier feeding for the trout. the moral if you want one is to emphasize the old saying, pretty flies are sometimes tied to catch fishermen and not fish. hang in there bubba.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy

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hmmm, that may be true but the opposite is also true….look at a group of flies that are more or less the same and you might say, hey those flies are not bad…but if you get the one which is on the crappy side of good, you might say these flies suck since you only see one crappy one and not the group. Eugene K.

sometimes, flies become more effective as they fall apart…why not tie them that way from the start…heehee Eugene K.

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…..but if you get the one which is on the crappy side of good, you might say these flies suck since you only see one crappy one and not the group.

So remember, all of you:  only the one YOU got was crappy, dammit. JR (feeling less pressured about the whole business)

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…….if you get the one which is on the crappy side of good, you might say these flies suck since you only see one crappy one and not the group.

look like? Wolfgang

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So remember, all of you:  only the one YOU got was crappy, dammit. JR (feeling less pressured about the whole business)

OK, well maybe the one you and the one your buddy got were crappy, but the rest were fabulous, honest. Eugene K.

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op, thursday eve…. 6-6:30…… tommy’s fly tying class starts. it runs for 6 weeks and is good…. tommy is a natural and can sure tie some flies. scenario: walt: damn, broke another herl. tommy: here, lemme show ya wally. waldo: ok tommy: see? waldo: yeah… way cool…. just 16 more tommy, just 16 more! –waldo, countin’ down the swap flies <g ps…. frank, could you please send me via e-mail your address so that i can get tomm…. err, my swap flies sent off to ya. pss: big dale, thankee!!!!!!! the yellahammas are beautiful, i’d like to send you some also, please e-mail addie….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the offer Wally, but if I come to the shop, I will have to take on a second and third job!  Somethin’ about flyfishin’ goodies that I can’t resist.  It’s a drug I tell ya. Op op, come on by the shop and we’ll fix what needs fixin’…. –walt I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. Unfortunately, the five I wouldn’t wish on Osama weren’t the first five that I tied.  I guess this means that I am not necessarily gettin’ any better, but may just be lucky every third or so tie.  I bought a tyin’ tape, and have numerous books on the subject, but my hands don’t seem to comprehend what I have seen and read.  The elk and deer hair don’t do like it is supposed to, according to A.K. Best, anyway.  Yeah, he stopped by for a good laugh, but left in tears.  My bad. I figure if I tie 5 flyz a night and 20 or 30 on the weekends, I will have tied around 250 flyz by the deadline.  Hopefully, I will have at least 41 decent flyz by that time, otherwise I promise to buy Fortenberry a Cabela’s "Stowaway" and never call him God again!  Fortunately, him, my word is better than my likelihood of goin’ postal. Op  –never again– — Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

– Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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You ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie!  However, I only want women like I fish–catch and release.  I think Rod Stewart said it best, "don’t be here in the mornin’, when I wake up." Or somethin’ to that affect.

And just how long have you had this problem with fly-tying women who won’t go away? Poor baby.  ;^P Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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And just how long have you had this problem with fly-tying women who won’t go away? Poor baby.  ;^P Sandy —

Never had a problem of women shunnin’ me Sandy, fly-tiers or not.  I ain’t the most compromisin’ sort-o-fella, so I tend to do poorly in long term relations.  I figure my best bet is to meet a nice inflatable doll, and carry on a passionate but brief affair.  Ya know any good inflatable models? Op  –asexual in Lenoir–

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It’s not the variation in each fly I worry about Wolfie.  It’s the look of any particular fly.  While I’m not able to tie a magnificent specimen, of any sort, I do know a beautifully tied fly when I see one and I suspect that others do as well. My flyz tend to be over-threaded, over-feathered, over-furred, well just plain over-all heavily tied.  I suspect that I try to tie them so that they won’t come apart, but they just end up fat and funny lookin’.  Given time, I believe that I will work this out.  I have already begun to pare down on the hackles and fur a bit.  Now I just need to work on wrappin’ each piece fewer times. I’ll get through this, yet, with a little help from my friends. Op  –takin’ the day off to buy new glasses, (maybe this will help?)–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …..I’m tryin’ to tie flyz worthy of this most prestigious swap….. Given normal variation in preferences and style no one need ever know what your flies, whatever you decide to call them, are supposed to look like.  In this swap, only one person, besides yourself, will ever know whether or not any two copies of your pattern bear a familial resemblance to one another and I give you my personal guarantee that he’ll never talk. Wolfgang who knows where his masseuse lives

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You’re not helpin’ matters Eugene!  Now I’m in tears and have flushed all my previous ties. Op  –headin’ to Wally’s shop to buy 41 decently tied flyz– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In this swap, only one person, besides yourself, will ever know whether or not any two copies of your pattern bear a familial resemblance to one another and I give you my personal guarantee that he’ll never talk. Wolfgang who knows where his masseuse lives hmmm, that may be true but the opposite is also true….look at a group of flies that are more or less the same and you might say, hey those flies are not bad…but if you get the one which is on the crappy side of good, you might say these flies suck since you only see one crappy one and not the group. Eugene K.

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You’re right Wayne.  I have yet to tie a fly that didn’t catch at least one trout, even my infamous "Golden Fuzzy Butt."  Yet, I can’t help but want to tie a decent lookin’ presentation for youz guyz.  I’ll try not to belabor the matter any longer. Op  –findin’ encouragement, and the courage to tie in every post–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in the for what it is worth department, for some time, my elk hair caddis’s, no matter what technique I used to tie the hair on with, would always slip and not "lie straight" on the hook. though i put a few in the box anyway,I would never use them. One day on the hiwassee, during a massive caddis hatch, I changed flies from the emerger to the ehc, wasn’t not paying attention and tied on one of my crooked hair flies. really didn’t notice it until my fly landed admist the real ones. muttered an expletive and started to bring it in when a fish took it. then another, and another and so on. later i tried the same tie on another stream and caugh fish with it. A friend theorized that the fly looked like a cripple and therefore easier feeding for the trout. the moral if you want one is to emphasize the old saying, pretty flies are sometimes tied to catch fishermen and not fish. hang in there bubba. I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy

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Thanks for the offer Wally, but if I come to the shop, I will have to take on a second and third job!  Somethin’ about flyfishin’ goodies that I can’t resist.  It’s a drug I tell ya. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – op, come on by the shop and we’ll fix what needs fixin’…. –walt I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. Unfortunately, the five I wouldn’t wish on Osama weren’t the first five that I tied.  I guess this means that I am not necessarily gettin’ any better, but may just be lucky every third or so tie.  I bought a tyin’ tape, and have numerous books on the subject, but my hands don’t seem to comprehend what I have seen and read.  The elk and deer hair don’t do like it is supposed to, according to A.K. Best, anyway.  Yeah, he stopped by for a good laugh, but left in tears.  My bad. I figure if I tie 5 flyz a night and 20 or 30 on the weekends, I will have tied around 250 flyz by the deadline.  Hopefully, I will have at least 41 decent flyz by that time, otherwise I promise to buy Fortenberry a Cabela’s "Stowaway" and never call him God again!  Fortunately, him, my word is better than my likelihood of goin’ postal. Op  –never again– — Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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…..I’m tryin’ to tie flyz worthy of this most prestigious swap…..

Given normal variation in preferences and style no one need ever know what your flies, whatever you decide to call them, are supposed to look like.  In this swap, only one person, besides yourself, will ever know whether or not any two copies of your pattern bear a familial resemblance to one another and I give you my personal guarantee that he’ll never talk. Wolfgang who knows where his masseuse lives

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In this swap, only one person, besides yourself, will ever know whether or not any two copies of your pattern bear a familial resemblance to one another and I give you my personal guarantee that he’ll never talk. Wolfgang who knows where his masseuse lives

hmmm, that may be true but the opposite is also true….look at a group of flies that are more or less the same and you might say, hey those flies are not bad…but if you get the one which is on the crappy side of good, you might say these flies suck since you only see one crappy one and not the group. Eugene K.

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You ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie!  However, I only want women like I fish–catch and release.  I think Rod Stewart said it best, "don’t be here in the mornin’, when I wake up." Or somethin’ to that affect. Good luck with you flyz, I know I will appreciate them! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …here’s a hint op…women.  …you need to find you a couple, be nice to em, tell em about the "art" of flytying, how you just know they are artistic souls, etc…  get my drift?  course you’re way ahead of us, er…rachel… we have completed 2 mutants, but seem to be increasing speed of the ties…i’m sure quality will creep in a few times before we’re (she’s) finished…. jeff (mutant master) I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. Unfortunately, the five I wouldn’t wish on Osama weren’t the first five that I tied.  I guess this means that I am not necessarily gettin’ any better, but may just be lucky every third or so tie.  I bought a tyin’ tape, and have numerous books on the subject, but my hands don’t seem to comprehend what I have seen and read.  The elk and deer hair don’t do like it is supposed to, according to A.K. Best, anyway.  Yeah, he stopped by for a good laugh, but left in tears.  My bad. I figure if I tie 5 flyz a night and 20 or 30 on the weekends, I will have tied around 250 flyz by the deadline.  Hopefully, I will have at least 41 decent flyz by that time, otherwise I promise to buy Fortenberry a Cabela’s "Stowaway" and never call him God again!  Fortunately, him, my word is better than my likelihood of goin’ postal. Op  –never again–

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I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. Unfortunately, the five I wouldn’t wish on Osama weren’t the first five that I tied.  I guess this means that I am not necessarily gettin’ any better, but may just be lucky every third or so tie.  I bought a tyin’ tape, and have numerous books on the subject, but my hands don’t seem to comprehend what I have seen and read.  The elk and deer hair don’t do like it is supposed to, according to A.K. Best, anyway.  Yeah, he stopped by for a good laugh, but left in tears.  My bad. I figure if I tie 5 flyz a night and 20 or 30 on the weekends, I will have tied around 250 flyz by the deadline.  Hopefully, I will have at least 41 decent flyz by that time, otherwise I promise to buy Fortenberry a Cabela’s "Stowaway" and never call him God again!  Fortunately, him, my word is better than my likelihood of goin’ postal. Op  –never again–

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op, come on by the shop and we’ll fix what needs fixin’…. –walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. Unfortunately, the five I wouldn’t wish on Osama weren’t the first five that I tied.  I guess this means that I am not necessarily gettin’ any better, but may just be lucky every third or so tie.  I bought a tyin’ tape, and have numerous books on the subject, but my hands don’t seem to comprehend what I have seen and read.  The elk and deer hair don’t do like it is supposed to, according to A.K. Best, anyway.  Yeah, he stopped by for a good laugh, but left in tears.  My bad. I figure if I tie 5 flyz a night and 20 or 30 on the weekends, I will have tied around 250 flyz by the deadline.  Hopefully, I will have at least 41 decent flyz by that time, otherwise I promise to buy Fortenberry a Cabela’s "Stowaway" and never call him God again!  Fortunately, him, my word is better than my likelihood of goin’ postal. Op  –never again–

– Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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…here’s a hint op…women.  …you need to find you a couple, be nice to em, tell em about the "art" of flytying, how you just know they are artistic souls, etc…  get my drift?  course you’re way ahead of us, er…rachel… we have completed 2 mutants, but seem to be increasing speed of the ties…i’m sure quality will creep in a few times before we’re (she’s) finished…. jeff (mutant master) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. Unfortunately, the five I wouldn’t wish on Osama weren’t the first five that I tied.  I guess this means that I am not necessarily gettin’ any better, but may just be lucky every third or so tie.  I bought a tyin’ tape, and have numerous books on the subject, but my hands don’t seem to comprehend what I have seen and read.  The elk and deer hair don’t do like it is supposed to, according to A.K. Best, anyway.  Yeah, he stopped by for a good laugh, but left in tears.  My bad. I figure if I tie 5 flyz a night and 20 or 30 on the weekends, I will have tied around 250 flyz by the deadline.  Hopefully, I will have at least 41 decent flyz by that time, otherwise I promise to buy Fortenberry a Cabela’s "Stowaway" and never call him God again!  Fortunately, him, my word is better than my likelihood of goin’ postal. Op  –never again–

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I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry.

If the trout down your way are like the ones up here in the Great White North, they will gobble down your five worst as good as, if not better than, the ones that appeal to you. G.Cleveland

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Thanks for your encouragement George, but I ain’t tryin to impress the trout at this point, I’m tryin’ to tie flyz worthy of this most prestigious swap. I know there are goin’ to be some expert fly tiers represented in this affair, and I don’t want to send out trash flyz. I tied a nymph pattern a couple a years back–Opie’s Ugly– and it catches trout with the best of them, but I was too ashamed of the looks of it to pass it on to others.  Surprisingly, I purchased a book at Uncle Wally’s shop last Sat. and lo and behold I found a fly that looked so much like my Ugly that one would think I had copied the pattern without actually using the same materials, of course.  The pattern is the Hatching Caddis, tied by David Wotten, and pictured in "Flys For Trout" by Dick Stewart and Farrow Allen. I will continue to work on my skills/lack of skill, and send out the best that I can.  I’m glad I decided to join this swap, as I have been wanting to force myself to tie for some time, but I’m just not disciplined enough to work at it with out some kind of pressure exerted upon myself.  Having spent a small fortune–to a lowly electrician–on materials and tools, I now think I can find the incentive to actually tie more often.  If I am successful in my endeavor to persever, Wally will lose business at one end and gain on the other end. Thanks again! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been paying, what seemed to be, outrageous prices for fake bugs! Once I finally settled on a pattern that I *thought* I could tie–tried numerous others first–I have a grand total of ten flyz tied:  three that I wouldn’t be ashamed to send off, two that I would send if push came to shove, and five that I wouldn’t give to my worst enemy–no not you God, sorry. If the trout down your way are like the ones up here in the Great White North, they will gobble down your five worst as good as, if not better than, the ones that appeal to you. G.Cleveland

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Hard to compare a 50.00 pair of pants to an 800.00 appliance.

Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I

bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in

my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots

I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would

look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they

felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your

job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Walter! L L Bean, Pants, $50.00? I need the catalog they send you. Best Mike N

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Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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You are 100% correct in saying this Bill, I won’t hold it against Cabelas. It’s been 5 months or so, not quite a year.  I’m just cryin the blues I guess, it’s been a rough week old buddy. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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You’d still come out ahead with Cabela’s. You will get full credit and only pay get free shipping on the replacement item. You will get stuck with shipping the motor back, but you will take a bath on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones?

Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have?

Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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…imagine if computer dealers would do that….I’d gladly pay shipping charges to upgrade every six months…let us know how it turns out, eh.

I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new

Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the

externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the

newer version for the one I have? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I buy a ton of stuff from Cabela’s, and they have the best customer service in the business, hands down. You probably don’t even need an RMA. Go to cabelas.com and get the live chat and you can take it up with them there. I’m sure you’ll be pleased. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. Sign in at  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NordicFlugfiske To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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Hello there, I’m scheduled to spend a couple of weeks near London on work assignment. I’m very interested in any advice you may have for fly fishing in this area. Any and all suggestions are welcome!! Thanks, John Erskine

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I’m scheduled to spend a couple of weeks near London on work assignment. I’m very interested in any advice you may have for fly fishing in this area. Any and all suggestions are welcome!!

Surprisingly good fishing is available near London, as many of the classic chalk streams (Test, Itchen, Bourne, Lambourne, etc.) are within a 90 minute drive west-southwest of the city in Hampshire. Isaak Walton, for example, is buried in Winchester cathedral.  There’s a small chapel where he lies, with stained glass scenes of the apostles fishing, intermixed with scenes of the master himself.  If you hit my website, address below, you can read an account of my trip last year. The problem, of course, is that virtually all of the water is private, controlled either by private land-owners or clubs.  You’ll have to at least pay a rod fee, and probably need to hire a guide, at least to begin. My fishing was arranged by: William Daniel, some of the best water in the area. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

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Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

Dolly Varden are not available in the Bob.  Dollies are costal fish. Bull trout, on the other hand, do inhabit the Flathead area.  Don’t get caught fishing for them intentionally.  They were recently listed under the ESA.  In this years Montana fishing regs you were permitted to fish for bull trout in Swan Lake with a daily and possession limit of one fish.  I don’t know how the listing has affected this regulation. Regards, Don Kelly Butte, MT

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No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

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Folks, I guess what I meant by dolly varden is bull trout.. and I am sad to hear that they are headed for the endangered spcies list… I’ll hope not to hook any! cheers, edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list. Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

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: Folks, : can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe : bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? : any truth to this rumor? : Dolly Varden are not available in the Bob.  Dollies are costal fish. : Bull trout, on the other hand, do inhabit the Flathead area.  Don’t get : caught fishing for them intentionally.  They were recently listed under : the ESA.  In this years Montana fishing regs you were permitted to fish : for bull trout in Swan Lake with a daily and possession limit of one : fish.  I don’t know how the listing has affected this regulation. What is the difference between a Dolly Varden and a bull trout? I though that the same species had both names. Once, when fishing in Pacific Creek in the Tetons, I saw another angler catch a fish he called a Dolly Varden. Was he correct? It looked like a char, sort of like a brookie or a laker, but different. By the way, who was Dolly Varden?

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Joe,    The story is a lady was visiting the town of McCloud in California and she saw a char taken from the McCloud river.  She said it looks just like Dolly Varden’s gingham dress.  Dolly Varden was an entertainer and the name stuck. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, who was Dolly Varden?

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No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list.

Sorry to bear the bad news, but I believe that recent attempts to find bull trout in the McCloud failed.  It is yet another extinct race of trout. -John —       My Wife, Yes…       My Dog, Maby,       My Gun, Never!

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Sorry to bear the bad news, but I believe that recent attempts to find bull trout in the McCloud failed.  It is yet another extinct race of trout. -John

 John,  The Bull trout are alive and well in the Swan. This is one of the few lakes that you can actually fish for "da Bulls". (C&R) Have fun! -Bob

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Three years ago I caught & released a bully of 19 inches in the headwaters of the Bitterroot, above the lake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list. Sorry to bear the bad news, but I believe that recent attempts to find bull trout in the McCloud failed.  It is yet another extinct race of trout. -John —      My Wife, Yes…      My Dog, Maby,      My Gun, Never!

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Dolly Varden, a "fancy lady" Schuhfly

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Hi Owen If you happen to fly through Sydney Nebraska,

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<snip : I’d like to toss another wrinkle into your condsideration. I use a small : kayak called an Aquatera Caspia. It cost $440, weighs 30lbs, is 10 ft long : and will hold an adult with waders on comfortably. The seat folds and will : also hold a cooler and tackle bags. It floats in 6 " of water and is it : extremly stable. The downside is storing and hauling. This boat is not a <snip They are also on the web at http://www.kayaker.com/ complete with dealer search ability. I’ve never tried a Caspia, but we have fished from our Keowee II at times. P.S. I’m not an employee of Aquaterra, however, i do own 2 of thier boats.      (and am very happy with them. — Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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What is the best pontoon boat out there?  What are some nice features. I’m thinking about buying and would appreciate some input.  If you thanx!

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I would look at the 75 Hobie Float Cat. Pricey but a fine piece of equipment. Regards. Jack

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What is the best pontoon boat out there?  What are some nice features. I’m thinking about buying and would appreciate some input.  If you

Hi Jason According to the shop owners I talk with the Buck Bronco is the best buy for the money. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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What is the best pontoon boat out there?  What are some nice features. I’m thinking about buying and would appreciate some input.  If you thanx!

I’d like to toss another wrinkle into your condsideration. I use a small kayak called an Aquatera Caspia. It cost $440, weighs 30lbs, is 10 ft long and will hold an adult with waders on comfortably. The seat folds and will also hold a cooler and tackle bags. It floats in 6 " of water and is it extremly stable. The downside is storing and hauling. This boat is not a good white water craft as it is too wide. In class 2 plus water it would be a bitch. Best of all its a real boat and is darn near impossible to sink. You can use it on rivers, streams, ponds, lakes and creeks. I love this boat and it is about half the price of a pontoon boat. With the money you save in buying the boat you can buy a very nice Yakima car rack for $125. There is also a two person Kiwi model. It has a 5 year warranty and is made of recycled poly material. Fantastic fishin’ boat! If you like a can get the snail mail address fro you and maybe they have a dealer in your area. Company’s HQ is in North Carolina. A good paddling and Canoe store stocks these and will let you try it out.  A guide from Arkansas clued me in on this. Bags sink, get holes in them and imagine shooting a low-head dam with a rowing frame…No thanks, I’d like to see 80 some day.Mike

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Greetings, So… we’re back from a great MTB camping trip out to a place called Capp’s Crossing.  Its about 14 Miles south of Hiway 50 just past Placerville in the Sierra National Forest in California.   Nice small camp site next to a running stream.  The camp site was well maintained and there was lots to do (Rock Climbing, Hiking, Swimming, Fly Fishing, MTBing, Strategic Naping, etc.) The trails in the area are generally usage maintained logging and 4WD road.  Some of the road haven’t been maintained in years, are over grown and make for a wild, rather technical run which includes running over downed logs of various sizes, deep slit tracks, erosion berms, rock gardens and a couple of drop-offs. Riding these trails was a blast but it was the first time I had encountered deep, deep slit.  This stuff was fine as talc and about 3 inches deep.  Just running straight through it  kicked up clouds of dust that coated everthing.  Riding in this stuff was a challenge.  It offers substancial rolling resistance such that rolling  into it at speed would catch you off guard and almost throw you. Anyway,  riding through this stuff felt like my backend was loose.  It would feel like it was sliding around, sideways.  My rear WTB ‘raptors did great on the climbs but my guess is that the tread pattern is optimized for climbing (duh!) and not for holding laterally (therefore, you slide).  Cornering was tough too.  I think I started getting better traction on corners when I would lean the bike way over thereby engaging the outside edging knobs.  The big trick was to stay in front so you could breath.  Otherwise you were riding in a dust storm. So you would exit the slit bed and run smack into a rock garden. Sometimes uphill, sometimes down.  Boulders ranged in size from marbles to softball.  To add to the challenge, the garden was rutted where other 4WD have driven.  That made staying on the line you chose very hard – but fun.  You had to change techniques quickly and keep up the speed lest you lose momentum, stop and be cursed by you riding buddy behind you (who can’t see you through the dust). Now with this combo of terrain I tried to keep my front pressure up at around 40 and my rear at 35 or so. Correct my if I’m wrong but for the slit you want lower TP for more tire surface area and for the rocks you want a higher TP to prevent snake-bites.  Snake-bites aside, is it generally better to run a lower TP? 35 and 30? Lower?  Too low?  Also, anyone have a experience with realy soft slit?  Tips on bike handling? ( While you at it any tips on bike handling on fire road gravel – you know, sharp, crushed rock over hard pan.  I alway get the feeling my tires are breaking traction cause the rock just rolls.) Thanx,                 _Marc Marc E. Strohwig                                Opinion? Mine, mine, mine!! System Architect SEI SIG                                           Compuserve: 70613.502   FAX: (510) 645-3096

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over downed logs of various sizes, deep slit tracks, erosion berms, … encountered deep, deep slit.  This stuff was fine as talc and about 3 … So you would exit the slit bed and run smack into a rock garden. … anyone have a experience with realy soft slit?  Tips on bike handling?

SILT. SILT. SILT. SILT. SILT. Slit: a long, narrow cut, tear or incision Silt: a sedimentary material composed of fine mineral particles (Sorry.  I don’t normally correct typos but when it is the subject of your message and you use it over and over again, it would be helpful if you spelled it right.  Same goes for the guy who wants "DISK BREAKS."  I think most of us would prefer to not break anything.) -Robin

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