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says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip] I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

I guess Jeff doesn’t like being compared to Martha Stewart any more than he likes being too tired to fish

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…actually, just thinkin ’bout martha gives me a woody… uh ken… you ain’t puttin any of this stuff in your articles are you? jeff (schwing king) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip] I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

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… uh ken… you ain’t puttin any of this stuff in your articles are you?

Nah, ROFFians are safe for the time being. Nobody wants to buy trip reports, or not mine at any rate. — Ken Fortenberry

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rw wrote… I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart That’s Fortenberry’s wet dream.

I thought Martha Stewart was just his pseudonym.  You mean there is a real Martha Stewart??  ;-) — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip] I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

You’ve obviously never seen Ken and Martha cast.  I have – both of ‘em.  No wonder he looks up to her.  <G — Ken Fortenberry nice TR! Winter is slowly settling into central NJ.  The most fun we’re having around here is scouring a local waterway for signs of searun brown trout.

Could be worse.  you could be stuck on a computer, dreaming about trout.  (sigh) Thanks for sharing it. Rob

Great TR BTW, but don’t let it go to your head. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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… You’ve obviously never seen Ken and Martha cast.  I have – both of ‘em.  No wonder he looks up to her.  <G

Yeah, yeah, go ahead and yuk it up about my casting but it wasn’t ME who had our poor guide wishin’ for a football helmet while piloting our drift boat down the Muskegon. Great TR BTW, but don’t let it go to your head.

Not to worry dahling, I won’t forget the little people. — Ken Fortenberry

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says… [snip] anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that [snip]

I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart — Ken Fortenberry

nice TR! Winter is slowly settling into central NJ.  The most fun we’re having around here is scouring a local waterway for signs of searun brown trout. Thanks for sharing it. Rob

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I can’t imagine anyone who hangs out in this group would appreciate being compared with Martha Stewart

That’s Fortenberry’s wet dream. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I was headed west on I-40 early Sunday morning when I saw the sign for the Blue Ridge Parkway. In a moment of inspired spontaneity caused in no small measure by the clear blue Carolina sky and the remembrance of the past two days fishing with Zimbo and Wayno, I quickly decided to postpone my trip to Alabama one more day and fish in the Park. I’d thought about fishing with Jeff and Waldo on Sunday hoping to be shown another of their Grandfather Mountain gems but they’d both been fishing since Thursday and Jeff said he was too tired to fish another day. Now, anyone who knows Jeff knows that this is roughly equivalent to Martha Stewart declaring that she’s too tired to make real mashed potatoes and that instant mashed potato flakes are a "good thing". Simply astonishing. So when Waldo called, (and speaking of Waldo and Martha Stewart, his upscale, yuppie, downtown Morganton flyshop looks like something straight out of Martha’s design book , we decided to call it a weekend. But the Blue Ridge Parkway beckoned and I pointed the Forester towards the Park. Arrived at Oconaluftee to find the Newfound Gap Road closed for construction. So much for inspired spontaneity. I drove around the south side of the Park and fished Twenty Mile Creek that afternoon instead. The solitary hike up the Twenty Mile Creek trail on a glorious Sunday in December afforded me an opportunity to reflect on the previous days fishing and on flyfishing in general. To bowdlerize Camus, flyfishing represents, even in the depths of the impending winter, that invincible summer within me. Flyfishing challenges my intellect with its arcana of ephemeral bugs, and the contrasting physical challenges of deftly flicking a delicate stick and boulder hopping in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina nourishes my soul in ways I can hardly comprehend. That Friday with Zimbo was our first time fishing together. It was a grey, warm day and the woods around Upper Creek had the smell of moldy, fecund winter. So different from the crisp, sterile smell of a midwestern winter. Funny how different people approach a stream. We climbed down from the trail to a big rock face where we could see three trout feeding in, by Upper Creek standards, a pretty big pool. While I sat on the rock studying the pool looking for an approach, Zimbo grew impatient and slid off the rock to give it a go. It was definitely a spot for an upstream cast but short of taking a swim there was no way to get downstream of the pool. And so we fished. I with a 6′3" 3wt Hamilton ‘boo and Steve with a Cabela’s stowaway. We fished our part of the stream in precisely the three hours Waldo had predicted and then tried to return to that first pool from the downstream side but darkness intervened and we called it a day. It was a real pleasure to finally get to fish with Steve. Wayno had locked us out of the cabin and was already well into the Balvenie when we got home to Beech Mountain. Dinner was necessarily carry-out as the tourist services on Beech Mountain are dependent on the (non-existent) snow. Jeff drove off the mountain at some ungodly hour of the morning to fish with Walt while Wayno and I did the civilized thing and ate a leisurely breakfast down in Banner Elk. The weather continued to cooperate, despite assurances of rain from the weather man, and we hiked down the Elk River in the chardonnay light of late fall in the mountains. No winter here, not just yet. How in the hell do I describe fishing with Wayno ? It’s beyond my poor power. There is a joy, a mischievous, boyish glee in the way he throws himself onto a trout stream. It’s an infectious joy and you just cannot help but get caught up in the delight of flyfishing writ large upon the personal history of that Rowan County rogue. Wayno left to get back in time for the LSU-Tennessee game and Jeff and I had a large time cooking for ourselves back at Zimbo’s cabin. Remember Zimbo’s cabin ? That’s the title of this post. — Ken Fortenberry

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I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:)

Nah. Just look at the ones going to organized RSG events. ‘Cept for Ken, who loves winning a bet with someone. Get back to playing, and enjoy the ~4 hours of therapy. I’m going for my session tomorrow (Where are you Thor?) -T- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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Do people take golf too seriously?

Why, I should kill you for even asking such a silly question!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:)

In fly fishing, there’s a saying that maybe the mark of a fisherman should not be how big of a fish will satisfy him, but how small of a fish he can catch and be satisfied.  I suppose there’s something similar in golf.  Good luck, doesn’t work for me

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In fly fishing, there’s a saying that maybe the mark of a fisherman should not be how big of a fish will satisfy him, but how small of a fish he can catch and be satisfied.  

With me, probably anything with over a pound of filet in it. Last time I ever fished was 40 years from a boat in a like, caufgt zilch. I can’t remember if I ever caught a keeper in my life:) I read somewhere that fish often bite for people who smell good to them:) I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

 hey john what’s your POD, oops this isn’t shwi.  but seriously, do some people take golf too seriously, nah  cursing, throwing clubs is just their way of unwinding  bud

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Someone asked… Do people take golf too seriously? Well… I try… dsc

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Teresa please do yourself a great favor by reading the golfswinger course and practice what it teaches to the letter…exercise is important for your swing to work properly and naturally…get in shape and stay in shape. Tell me in 6 months that you are a low handicapper. Al http://golfswinger.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) Nah. Just look at the ones going to organized RSG events. ‘Cept for Ken, who loves winning a bet with someone. Get back to playing, and enjoy the ~4 hours of therapy. I’m going for my session tomorrow (Where are you Thor?) -T- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Teresa please do yourself a great favor by reading the golfswinger course and practice what it teaches to the letter…exercise is important for your swing to work properly and naturally…get in shape and stay in shape. Tell me in 6 months that you are a low handicapper. Al http://golfswinger.com I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) Nah. Just look at the ones going to organized RSG events. ‘Cept for Ken, who loves winning a bet with someone. Get back to playing, and enjoy the ~4 hours of therapy. I’m going for my session tomorrow (Where are you Thor?) -T- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to?

He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. Hey Al, do us a favor…get lost. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm

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Come on, is it possible to take golf too seriously?

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Teresa please do yourself a great favor by reading the golfswinger course and practice what it teaches to the letter…exercise is important for your swing to work properly and naturally…get in shape and stay in shape. Tell me in 6 months that you are a low handicapper. Al

Buzz off with this crap Al!

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Oh I know…. I was trying to be a nice person instead of saying F&*^ off! When in doubt, kill them with kindness. -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. Hey Al, do us a favor…get lost. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads.

I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer.  Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer.  Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer.  Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al

Is my server screwing up, or is Al losing it?  This seems like "Groundhog Day".

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I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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Aw come on, tell him what you really think – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" in Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T-

Nicely done!  Now I really hope to meet you at RSG DFW.  You not only look like Bruce Willis, you can cuss like him!

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Teresa……what balls do you play with? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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I believe when she wrote "F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****!" she was attempting to put an end to your unsolicited advice.  Your question as to what balls she plays with seems to me to be a continuation of said adivce.  I get the feeling no matter what balls she uses you will tell her to read the golfswinger course.  Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to follow her suggestion… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Teresa……what balls do you play with? I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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Teresa……what balls do you play with? I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****!

Al: You’re jacking with one of the favorite posters on this ng, and a super lady.  I suggest that you stop.   ___,     o        |       /      .   "Someone likes every shot" bk

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I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks.  When I left, the discussion was Indians. I come back and it’s the Chinese. This is rec.outdoors.fishing. fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical. Willi

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Hey, look on the bright side, 10 years from now the chinks and the yanks will have a great big mushroom throwing contest and Canada and Lichtenstein will be the next world powers. Kinda reassuring, don’t you think? KB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks.  When I left, the discussion was Indians. I come back and it’s the Chinese. This is rec.outdoors.fishing. fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical. Willi

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Kevin: It is absolutely outrageous of you to use such racist terms in your posting. Such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. I am not amused by your sarcastic comment here at all.  Trying to be funny? Try much harder. Actually,  it would be much better if you were just to shut your loud mouth. Usage of such term shows us that you are beyond the word ignorant can ever describe you as a person. I do not know you personally but from the short comment I see posted here, you are a useless piece of work. Go to hell, you asshole. jimmy chang

+AD4-Hey, look on the bright side, 10 years from now the chinks and the yanks +AD4-will have a great big mushroom throwing contest and Canada and Lichtenstein +AD4-will be the next world powers. +AD4- +AD4-Kinda reassuring, don’t you think? +AD4- +AD4-KB +AD4- +AD4APg- I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks.  When I left, the discussion was +AD4APg- Indians. I come back and it’s the Chinese. This is rec.outdoors.fishing. +AD4APg- fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Willi +AD4APg- goldens+AEA-frii.com +AD4- +AD4-

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It is absolutely outrageous of you to use such racist terms in your posting. Such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. I am not amused by your sarcastic comment here at all.

I too thought Kevin’s choice of words (the "c" word) was inappropriate and ruined what may have been an otherwise humorous intent.   I don’t disagree with you, but I would also point out that few things will draw more criticism here that nominating yourself as the voice of the majority. Go to hell, you asshole.

In your own words, such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. Chill dude. Joe F.

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Kevin: It is absolutely outrageous of you to use such racist terms in your posting. Such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. I am not amused by your sarcastic comment here at all.  Trying to be funny? Try much harder. Actually,  it would be much better if you were just to shut your loud mouth.

Jimmy Chang, I’ve lurked through this post from the start, and it seems to me that the one throwing around the most insults is you. Try to remove yourself from your self appointed throne, unwrap yourself from the "poor little minority flag" for a minute, take a breath and read into what some of the other posters have been telling you. You may not realize it, but most of them  are actually on your side. Nobody needs more enemies but you seem to be doing your level best to create them out of allies. Oh and if you want to throw a few racist comments my way to make yourself feel better I am 1/2 English, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Scandinavian and 1/8 Blackfoot Indian (native American). So "Pommy Bastard" works as does "Chug", "Mick", "Tomahawk", or "Honky". Or if you would prefer call me four eyes, that works too. Or if you want, call me another name that rhymes with my last name Cooper. when I was a kid, everyone thought pooper was pretty funny, and stooper was right up there as well. In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. Usage of such term shows us that you are beyond the word ignorant can ever describe you as a person. I do not know you personally but from the short comment I see posted here, you are a useless piece of work. Go to hell, you asshole.

Truly said from the exhaulted leader  himself

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[deleted] In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously.

[deleted] Careful Stooper or you’ll have to answer to David Jones. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. [deleted] Careful Stooper or you’ll have to answer to David Jones. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

  As long as he doesn’t make me dance like he used when he was with the monkeys I think I can handle it. Stevo the "sewer-mouth"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. [deleted] Careful Stooper or you’ll have to answer to David Jones. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"  As long as he doesn’t make me dance like he used when he was with the monkeys I think I can handle it. Stevo the "sewer-mouth"

Now THAT is freakin’ (somewhat polite way of saying f***in’) funny. I can just hear it now.  David Jones coming to get you guys singing  "Hey, hey I’m one of the monkeys and I’m not f**king around…" Aw, what the fuck.  There I said it. Warren

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Steve Cooper: Jimmy Chang, I’ve lurked through this post from the start, and it seems to me that the one throwing around the most insults is you. Try to remove yourself from your self appointed throne, unwrap yourself from the "poor little minority flag" for a minute, take a breath and read into what some of the other posters have been

telling you. I have NEVER seen myself as a "poor little minority" and for you to use such term is again insulting and ignorant. I bet that you can’t see that.  You may not realize it, but most of them  are actually on your side. Nobody needs more enemies but you seem to be doing your level best to create them out of

allies. I am not looking enemies but if I object to the things I hear, see or read, I react to it, just as you have reacted to my message.  And I would appreciate it if you do not  tell me otherwise. Oh and if you want to throw a few racist comments my way to make yourself feel better I am 1/2 English, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Scandinavian and 1/8 Blackfoot Indian (native American). So "Pommy Bastard" works as does "Chug", "Mick", "Tomahawk", or "Honky". Or if you would prefer call me four eyes, that works too. Or if you want, call me another name that rhymes with my last name Cooper. when I was a kid, everyone thought pooper was pretty funny, and stooper was right up there as well.

Seems to me that you really like to be verbally abused and "throwing a few racist comments your way" will certainly NOT make me feel better. I have better things to to, like, tying a big wooley bugger.  Find someone else that knows you well enough to do that for you.  There is really no need for you to describe yourself in detail:  I am really NOT interested in knowing you. I am sorry that people called you names when you were a kid and I promise you that I won’t do that to you. I only objected to Kevin Bennett’s use of the "c" word in his joke.  I might find it funny if I have known him personally.  But the use the "c" word,  as you like it or not, is inappropriate and I do not appreciate it.  There is no way I will sit quietly so that others can insult me. gone fishing

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Hey Jimmy sorry about the c word.  I was playing off the comment "This is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical". by making an obviously racial, opinionated, foolish and farcical joke.  It was way funnier when I had six pints of Caplilano Ale in me. I’m not all that bad a guy, and I’m not racist. I hate ‘em all equally <joke Back to fly fishing…… KB

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I do a lot of fly fishing from a 14′ aluminum boat and many of the lakes around here do not permit outboard motors. I plan to purchase a Minn Koda electric motor. Need advice on how much thrust to get 30 lbs. or 36. Any advice would be appreciated.

I would definately go with the larger motor.I stick an 30lb. electric motor on my 18 ft. aluminum canoe and wish it had more get up and go.It’s fine for slow cruising but when I spot fish rising at the other end of the lake I’d like to get there a little bit faster.Either way you’re going to enjoy the electric motor experiance…it’s peacefull,wildlife isn’t scared away…I’ve actually had trout jumping so close they’ve hit the side of my canoe…they didn’t hear me coming. — R.C.Thomson Hillside Mira,N.S. Canada

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I do a lot of fly fishing from a 14′ aluminum boat and many of the lakes around here do not permit outboard motors. I plan to purchase a Minn Koda electric motor. Need advice on how much thrust to get 30 lbs. or 36. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Paul Renfree Grande Prairie Alberta Canada

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BIGGER the better Good fishin and God bless Chris Up The Creek Tackle

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I do a lot of fly fishing from a 14′ aluminum boat and many of the lakes around here do not permit outboard motors. I plan to purchase a Minn Koda electric motor. Need advice on how much thrust to get 30 lbs. or 36. Any advice would be appreciated.

I’ve got the same setup and have the bottom-of-the-line Minn Kota and it’s just fine.  Nothing fancy, but it moves the boat across the lake at a good clip, and since it draws less current than the 36 # units it will run for 8-10 hours on a charge.  (Fact is I’ve never managed to drain the battery in a weekend.) -drl — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History   "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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I would like to find a canoe that will work as a boat to flyfish out of (small lake fishing).  This means I HAVE TO be able to stand up in it.  I also have to be able to carry it on top of my Jeep Wrangler. The canoe that has caught my eye is the Old Town Discovery 133k.  I understand that this canoe has been around for some time so I should be able to pick up a used one for a reasonable price.  I also want it to be able to be fit with oar locks.  What price should I pay for this canoe used? new?  What other canoes might suit my purpose better?  I am also considering building some type of outriggers for it for added stability and a platform to fish/cast from.  Any advice on this? Thank you, Paul P.S. Besided the classifieds, which I’m watching closely, does anyone have an idea of a good place to find a used canoe.  I live about 2 hours north of Seattle.

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I would like to find a canoe that will work as a boat to flyfish out of (small lake fishing).  This means I HAVE TO be able to stand up in it.   snip< Thank you, Paul

Dear Paul;  I don’t mean to pick, no not at all, but to be fair to you and to the potential craft, I would recommend that if you need< to stand up to cast, you should work on your casting technique. I won’t go into it here, but you really should be able to cast sitting down, yeah, you can’t cast as far< sitting down, but you can sure cast safer.

luv chipper

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I would like to find a canoe that will work as a boat to flyfish out of (small lake fishing).  This means I HAVE TO be able to stand up in it.   snip< Thank you, Paul

Paul, I think it’s Mad River, but they used to make several boats ( the winooski comes ito my foggy mind here) that were "really wide as hell". I think they had a 15 foot boat that was like 60" wide at midship. It was really stable. But then again, it was really interesting to paddle. I sat in the middle, and leaned it over like Mason would have done, and it spun on a dime, but with 4 feet of boat sticking up in the air, it really caught the wind too. You know, this might actually be an application for one of those rigs that have an extended thwart that sticks out either side of your boat, and has a flotation bag on each end. Like a Hawaiian boat, only you have two. You could dance a jig on one of those things. Still, If I can stand up in a dragonfly and fish, you can stand up in one of those things. I stand up sometimes in my Blue hole when fishing, and with a ton of gear in the thing, it’s really stable. I dunno,  shouldn’t be a problem whatever you decide to do. Good Luck. Dale  http://www.inlink.com/~dailu/  http://www.inlink.com/~dailu/intergear.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to find a canoe that will work as a boat to flyfish out of (small lake fishing).  This means I HAVE TO be able to stand up in it.   snip< Thank you, Paul Dear Paul; I don’t mean to pick, no not at all, but to be fair to you and to the potential craft, I would recommend that if you need< to stand up to cast, you should work on your casting technique. I won’t go into it here, but you really should be able to cast sitting down, yeah, you can’t cast as far< sitting down, but you can sure cast safer. chipper

Thank you for being helpful and posting a follow up to my question, however I am still looking for an answer.  I know that my post is only a day old, but I don’t want Chipper’s interjection to be viewed as a conclussion to my question.  Please refer to the original post and present your answers according to it.  In case the original post wasn’t clear I’m interested in a canoe that is stable enough so I can stand up in it while flycasting.  This is the main requirement for the canoe.  Meanwhile I will ponder Chipper’s recommendation. Thank you Paul

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Standing in a canoe is something that only takes practice and is not particularly dangerous – in spite of what the Red Cross canoeing course has said for many years.  I’ll be teaching some local scouts the skill later this summer, and hope to have canoe poling officially recognised by the BSA in the next few years. Here in Maine, standing and poling a canoe is common practice. The rivers get pretty low late in the year, and it’s just plain fun. I don’t have any specific canoe recommendation, because any shallow arch, flat bottom or shallow V hull will work. I have stood in and fly casted in dozens of canoes, including Discovery’s 169 and 174, Grummans, Old Town 15-20 foot wood canvas canoes in many models, EM White Guide, Miller (from NB, Canada), Chestnut Prospector, Jerry Stelmok’s Willow (a tender 13 foot W/C canoe) and more. It’s a wonderful way to reduce the glare off the water and with practice is not at all dangerous. What you might consider is getting into a canoe with a setting pole (12 foot or so) and just pushing yourself around off the bottom for a while. If you can get some poling instruction (there’s a class in Maine in June) that’s even better. The trick is to feel comfortable standing in the canoe, even if the canoe moves around under you. Once you have this down – you can walk around in many canoes and be perfectly safe. My 20 foot Old Town Guide has been named "The Enterprise" by my wife, because she’s as big and stable as an aircraft carrier (not my wife, teh canoe). My kids regularly change ends by standing up and walking one end to the other – stepping or crawling over the gear pile in the middle. -Tim — Tim Hewitt – Webmaster Wooden Canoe Heritage Association, Ltd http://www.wcha.org

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I would like to find a canoe that will work as a boat to flyfish out of (small lake fishing).  This means I HAVE TO be able to stand up in it.

Mike:         I too flyfish out of my canoe quite a bit and like to stand a little. Can’t afford a strictly FF boat though so I just settle for my Mad River Explorer.         I think you should be aware that at least some canoe manufacturers (such as Mad River) are honest and don’t try to pretend that every boat they make is suitable for every activity under the sun, but then use differing pictures or euphemisms to hint to you what it’s best use is. Thus, Mad River talks in terms of boats with good "initial stability" and those with good "secondary" stability. Get one of their catalogs and 802-496-3127).         I believe this distinction is a valid one. It seems to me there are two different styles canoe bottoms come in: flattish and deep vee. Of course there are all degrees of in-between. What you find in those towards the flattish end of the scale is that they feel very stable initially; i.e. you put some weight towards one side and the boat does not rock that way very much. The problem with these boats is that they are not very good for traveling far; they paddle like tubs, are susceptible to wind, etc., AND (a very important AND you will quickly grasp once in one), while they have such good "initial" stability once you put just a little too much weight towards one side, when they start to flip THEY REALLY GO. Suddenly. With little warning. Ass over elbows.         On the other end of the spectrum the boats with deep vees tend to "feel" less stable. A little shift to the side and you feel it right away. BUT: you can continue putting weight towards the side and its a far more gradual thing than the flatter-bottomed boats. This is "secondary" stability.         If you truly are willing to buy a boat that has just one use such as FF, you can go quite far to one end of the spectrum and feel very happy.         I know that the Mad River "Winooski" is a very flat-bottomed, wide boat. Other mfg.s undoubtedly have models that are similar in approach. Mad River doubtlessly also has other boats that tend toward the flat-bottomed end of the spectrum. Again, their catalog is excellent in describing these things generally and specifically for each of the boats they sell.         Hope this helps; please know that I am not shilling for Mad River here and have no interest in the company other than as a consumer. (Though I do think they are a great company; they have treated me fantastically as a consumer.)         I just bought an Old Town "Pack" model canoe. A little solo 12 footer, for portaging into little trout lakes to fish up in Canada. If I had really wanted what you want I would have gone with the Winooski but I liked the weight of the Pack model (33 lbs.) and the price. Don’t know yet if its stable enough for your needs, and, of course, if you intend on fishing with more than one person in the thing the Pack is not the way to go.         I would say this, while you may be strongly drawn to a very flat bottomed boat and may have the luxury of needing/wanting nothing with more versatility you might want to go to a retailer on a lake/stream and at least try out

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Any experiences with Gore-Tex waders in saltwater? I want to replace a hot sweaty and heavy pair of Gralites.

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I have several friends who used Simms/Gore-Tex waders this past summer while fishing stripers in Maine–  no problems.

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I have several friends who used Simms/Gore-Tex waders this past summer while fishing stripers in Maine–  no problems.

Hi I’ve guided using Simms GorTex wader the past couple of year.  They are the best thing I’ve done for myself in the interest of comfort in year.   They are definitely worth the price when you compare to your personal comfort. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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   To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

Hi Harry, I offer my ideas regarding the 5 things that make a high quality fly from my perspective, a commercial fly tier: 1. Durability – quality materials, strong hook, etc. 2. Proper proportions, tail length, hackle, etc. 3. Attractive to the fly fisher 4. Attractive to the fish 5. Will sell It will be interesting to see what other fly tiers/fisher think. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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   To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry

Harry,         Here’s my list of the five characteristics of a good quality fly: Durability – It has to last.  This isn’t art for art’s sake. Ease of tying – The point is to go fishing sometime this century.  I         lose enough flies that I need to tie more than one per day. Bugginess – Oh, that elusive quality.  If it doesn’t "look buggy" it         probably will never get tied on my tippet.  I’ve carried flies         for years that just don’t get a rise out of me. Availability of Ingredients – Part of this is my frugality.  But, part         is my ecological awareness.  If I’m going to have to spend         my tying and fishing time tracking down materials, I’m outta         here. Catches Fish – Course, before I know this, I’ve tracked down the         materials, easily tied the fly, am confident in its durability,         and have tied it on my tippet.  But, hey, this is what we’re         doing this for, isn’t it? Charley

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

Reply Never counted my reasons. 1. Do I enjoy tying the fly? 2. Does it REALLY require all of those materials that I don’t have? Can I sub. and    still have a good looking fly that will work. 3. Do I have confidence in the fly. 4. Do I need another fly like this one. How many of this type do I already carry that    I don’t use now. 5. And back to # 1. If I like to tie the fly thats what matters. I’m here for just      the fun.  CU, Steve Birkes Buckner, Mo.

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.

I can boil it down to just three things: 1.  It has to catch fish. 2.  It has to catch fish. 3.  It has to catch fish. Larry H.

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I fish mainly in still waters and I fine one other quality to be of importance when tying.I like to call this Pulsability; giving the illusion of a bubbling, pulsating, swimming creature. John Hafner

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Harry, as a former pro tyer I would have to say it’s more a case of WHO makes a good fly. Style and expertise does not come to everyone, even if you have the correct materials for any given pattern.   To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

– dave tait

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I fish mainly in still waters and I fine one other quality to be of importance when tying.I like to call this Pulsability; giving the illusion of a bubbling, pulsating, swimming creature. John Hafner

A good fly should take less time to tie than it does to lose it.    -Ralph —

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

1. proportion 2. balance 3. durability 4. castability 5. silouette these are what i shoot for when tying flies for stripers, etc. shade/color would probably come in 6th for me.                                                 jc

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        Does it catch fish?         That, essentially, is the bottom line.

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        Does it catch fish?         That, essentially, is the bottom line.

Yes, but,…… There are lots of flies out there that catch marlin, peacock bass, sharks, etc.  They catch fish, but are not a good fly for me.  I don’t get to sea too often.  And, when I do, I’m usually looking for salmon! So, now we have to add the delimiter, "Does it catch the fish I’m after?". This is such a complex question! :^) Charley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         Does it catch fish?         That, essentially, is the bottom line. Yes, but,…… There are lots of flies out there that catch marlin, peacock bass, sharks, etc.  They catch fish, but are not a good fly for me.  I don’t get to sea too often.  And, when I do, I’m usually looking for salmon! So, now we have to add the delimiter, "Does it catch the fish I’m after?". This is such a complex question! :^) Charley

Hi Charley, Good point Charley! My flies always catch the fish I’m after IF i’m telling the story.?! Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Al Beatty said: Hi Charley, Good point Charley! My flies always catch the fish I’m after IF i’m telling the story.?!

Cheers for Al’s honesty.  I will add that if they don’t, I damn quick change the story. Dick Hubbard

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   To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry

Harry: 1. Ease of tying: most of us fit fly tying between the responsibilities work, running a home, and the ten o’clock news. Functional patterns are not necessarily a compromise. You can crank out a dozen brown-hackle-peacocks or BWO compara duns in the time it takes to tie half-as-many extended body paradrakes. This is not to say you don’t need extended body paradrakes–just save the more involved patterns for those rare occasions when you have a few hours to spend on the vice. 2. Proportions and technique: Spend time understanding how to size hackle and dimension tails; without such understanding, you can easily turn a humpy into a spider. Study A. K. Best’s "Production Fly Tying." He explains technique in this book, not recipes for ties (this book is made most valuable as a reference source: when you’re lashing down a moose mane tail, you can consult the book for a brief technique refresher before you begin, and your flies look a little better for your trouble). 3. Materials: Garbage in, garbage out. Webby dry fly hackle, too soft biots, it doesn’t matter. There’s nothing you can do to disguise poor materials. 4. Hooks: I used to recycle hooks but quit when I discovered that hooks grow weaker in boxes–every time your fly box gets submerged, the hooks will weaken from rust, particularly where the bend enters foam. I prefer Tiemco (particularly the 200R) and Daichi hooks. 5. Bottom Line: tie patterns that have proved their worth on the waters you fish. While just about any pattern will work at one time or another, there are a lot of useless diversions out there. Get to know old timers and knowledgable guides. They’ll turn you on to patterns you won’t find in books. Mitch Mulhall

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry Harry: 1. Ease of tying: most of us fit fly tying between the responsibilities work, running a home, and the ten o’clock news. Functional patterns are not necessarily a compromise. You can crank out a dozen brown-hackle-peacocks or BWO compara duns in the time it takes to tie half-as-many extended body paradrakes. This is not to say you don’t need extended body paradrakes–just save the more involved patterns for those rare occasions when you have a few hours to spend on the vice. 2. Proportions and technique: Spend time understanding how to size hackle and dimension tails; without such understanding, you can easily turn a humpy into a spider. Study A. K. Best’s "Production Fly Tying." He explains technique in this book, not recipes for ties (this book is made most valuable as a reference source: when you’re lashing down a moose mane tail, you can consult the book for a brief technique refresher before you begin, and your flies look a little better for your trouble). 3. Materials: Garbage in, garbage out. Webby dry fly hackle, too soft biots, it doesn’t matter. There’s nothing you can do to disguise poor materials. 4. Hooks: I used to recycle hooks but quit when I discovered that hooks grow weaker in boxes–every time your fly box gets submerged, the hooks will weaken from rust, particularly where the bend enters foam. I prefer Tiemco (particularly the 200R) and Daichi hooks. 5. Bottom Line: tie patterns that have proved their worth on the waters you fish. While just about any pattern will work at one time or another, there are a lot of useless diversions out there. Get to know old timers and knowledgable guides. They’ll turn you on to patterns you won’t find in books. Mitch Mulhall

  To Mitch and all who took the time to reply, thank you !!  I will take these notes to the start of yet another class Thursday night.   Again Thanks    Harry

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My girlfriend has asked me to teach her how to flyfish.  I’ve been an avid flyfisherman for three years now.  I feel I’m good enough to tie knots in the air with the best of them . A few questions: 1. I don’t want to spend a lot of money for a rod/reel that she may lose interest in so I’m going to get something that I can use in the future (if necessary).  Any opinions on the prepackaged everything-you-need-to-start-NOW rod/reel/line combos?  I’ve seen some ranging from $30 to $200. Quality is an issue. 2. She asked if being left-handed would make a difference.  It had never occurred to me that I routinely cast with either hand, depending on the situation (ie, how many flies I’ve lost in the tree to my right-rear).  Retrieving is always done with rod in right/reeling with left.  Just curious if any left-handers have had any problems learning or buying equipment. 3. Women’s waders: I haven’t been able to find any in stores around here (Grand Rapids, MI).  Any experiences with mail ordering women’s waders (good or bad) would be helpful.  She will use the waders irregardless of fishing since she’s into fisheries biology.  Looking for good 4mm or 5mm neoprene. I read the thread from a few months ago about teaching the Significant Other how to flyfish. Interesting advice that will be taken to heart. Thanks in advance. Tight lines, Brian Austin

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My girlfriend has asked me to teach her how to flyfish.  I’ve been an avid flyfisherman for three years now.  I feel I’m good enough to tie knots in the air with the best of them . (snip) 2. She asked if being left-handed would make a difference.  It had never occurred to me that I routinely cast with either hand, depending on the situation (ie, how many flies I’ve lost in the tree to my right-rear).  Retrieving is always done with rod in right/reeling with left.  Just curious if any left-handers have had any problems learning or buying equipment. Tight lines, Brian Austin

In terms of _learning_ to cast, my advice would be to stand in front of your girlfriend and have her "mirror" what you’re doing to get the timing, or stand to her left so she can see what you’re doing.  Or, get a copy of Ed Jaworowski’s book on casting (the best ever, IMHO). Enjoy! Doug Stewart

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Brain. I suggest you bring her to my small ranch in Montana. Hawley Mountain Ranch max guests 24 is in the Absaroka Wilderness 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park. You can fish the Boulder River, horse back ride, hike or just read a book. This summer I caught so many fish that—ok I also hurt my right arm moving rocks–my right arm hurt so I had to learn to teach fly fishing with my left. So now when I go to the stream either arm works.  As far as teaching your girlfriend to fish , I taught my first wife to drive. Will enought said on that point. I did teach Ellen new wife of 10yr. how to fish when she was a girlfriend. First time on the stream she caught and released 6 before I got a fly on— so be careful!!!  Enjoy her and the outdoors thats what life is about.                       Your Montana Friend!!!                          Bryant Blewett BBlewett

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Does anybody have any information on fly fishing in the Linville Falls community area. I have been camping near there in the past and looked like a nice place to go. I have never been Fly fishing before, but would like to try since someone gave me some gear. Thanks for any info. Chris

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I forgot to put that is Linville Falls community in N.C.

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Would appreciate any suggestions concerning the following: I will be leaving Asheville, NC early Saturday morning (either the day before Father’s Day or the following Saturday), travelling to Washington, DC, taking two days, i.e., spending one night in western Virginia. What’s a good place to spend the night  along Interstate 81 so I can fish for trout on Saturday evening, after the drive from Asheville, and on Sunday morning, before the drive to DC?  The stream(s) should be somewhat easily accessible since I will have to spend time buying an out-of-state license before I can start.  BTW, what does a 2-3 day out-of-state license cost? Thanks again.

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I’ve often fished around the town of Bridgewater, VA. Its on I-81 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, south of Harrisonburg. There are several creeks around there–the best is Mossy Creek, but to fish it or a couple of the others you need a special permit and they have made it hard to get one, i.e. you have to write in for it OR pick one up as some government office south of Bridgewater. Call the Mossy Creek flyshop in Bridgewater and ask them where to get the permits, or which streams don’t need em. There is a decent motel called the Village Inn near there on Rt. 11, or a great B-n-b about ten miles away in the hills, called Boxwood. Let me know

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What’s a good place to spend the night  along Interstate 81 so I can fish for trout on Saturday evening, after the drive from Asheville, and on Sunday morning, before the drive to DC?  The stream(s) should be somewhat easily accessible since I will have to spend time buying an out-of-state license before I can start.  BTW, what does a 2-3 day out-of-state license cost?

   You have several choices for smallmouth/bluegill flyfishing…not as much for trout (you’d have to drive farther from I-81 for trout).    Both the James River and the Maury River, which I-81 crosses in the vicinity of Lexington & Buena Vista, offer good smallmouth fishing.    My best recommendation, though, is to go ahead and do the longer drive up past Harrisonburg, then stop and fish the South Fork of the Shenandoah.  The Shenandoah offers great smallmouth fishing!  One of my favorite spots is at a bridge crossing a few miles downstream (north) of where Rt. 211 crosses the South Fork on its way to Luray.  You can fish here, then take Rt. 340 north to Front Royal (about 25 miles) where you pick up I-66 East to D.C.    The spot I mention is at the Rt. 643 bridge (or 6-forty-something)…there’s a Virginia Game Commission public boat landing.  You can park and wade upstream where there are some rubble/cobble dams.  I fished there just two weeks ago and caught close to 20 smallmouth in about 90 minutes!    This suggestion basically takes no time off the trip other than what you spend fishing.      —Scott

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   If you fish in a trout stream that is not catch and release, the license is close to $70.00 for out of state !!!   The James river around natural bridge area or Buchanan is good smallmouth fishing.  I think it is easier to fish with a canoe or small boat but it is possible to wade it alot of places if water is not high from run off. (would not be very fly fishable if muddy anyway).  During the week the folks at James River recreation area (a commercial camp ground) were kind enough to let me park my truck there and it is quite wadeable right around the cap ground.  The camp ground is advertised along rt 81.  I launched by boat there and went up stream the fishing was quite good. It is marginally boatable there lots of rocks and stuff.    I have not fished the Maury but it is much smaller and probably more appropriate for wade fishing.  I talk to one local gentleman who liked the Maury better than the James.  Good luck.                                     regards  leo

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Would appreciate any suggestions concerning the following: I will be leaving Asheville, NC early Saturday morning (either the day before Father’s Day or the following Saturday), travelling to Washington, DC, taking two days, i.e., spending one night in western Virginia.

What Pent1 and PWS said about this may be fine, and no doubt the fishing they descibed may be great. But for my buck. I’d haul butt from Ashville all the way to I-66 and Front Royal, Va. Hit Front Royal and get to the K-mart and buy a license and then head back west on Rt. 55 west to Patterson Creek and Elizabeth Furnace park and camping area. Patterson Creek has some challanging fishing and is very accessable and very pretty. And after you have spent as much time there as you want, you are only 2 hrs from D.C.

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I’ve often fished around the town of Bridgewater, VA. Its on I-81 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, south of Harrisonburg. There are several creeks around there–the best is Mossy Creek, but to fish it or a couple of the others you need a special permit and they have made it hard to get one, i.e. you have to write in for it OR pick one up as some government office south of Bridgewater. Call the Mossy Creek flyshop in Bridgewater and ask them where to get the permits, or which streams don’t need em. There is a decent motel called the Village Inn near there on Rt. 11, or a great B-n-b about ten miles away in the hills, called Boxwood. Let me know

Just 90 minutes from D.C. is the small town of Edinburg 1 mile east of  exit 71.  Go into town, turn left at Main street, then begin looking on the right side of the road for Murray’s Fly Shop.  He’s got maps, advice, and plenty of knowledge abou t the trout AND — if you want to catch some real fish — Smallmouth Bass  fishing in the immediate area.  Harry Murray is the author of at least 2 books about fishing in the area.  His book on smallmouth fishing is excellent!  Phone # is 703-984-4212. Jim IwishIwasfishing Stewart.

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