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Had a long trip to the back of beyond.Davis creek in the Yukon-Koyukuk Alaska region.The only artificials I took were DuPont spinners.Mining is such a bore compared to fly fishing.But the 4th was memorable.I shot down about 1000 yds3 of secondary and tertiary gravels for the guys to ash.( someone has to get the gold to plate hooks with )

Thank god you are back.  Finally these environuts will get off the timber industry and start in on the mining. <g   Welcome back to a working man’s hell. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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 Had a long trip to the back of beyond.Davis creek in the Yukon-Koyukuk Alaska region.The only artificials I took were DuPont spinners.Mining is such a bore compared to fly fishing.But the 4th was memorable.I shot down about 1000 yds3 of secondary and tertiary gravels for the guys to ash.( someone has to get the gold to plate hooks with ) —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

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Bob: <<I’ve been flyfishing a small gravel pond lake for bass and walleyes for a couple of years now. Everyday is different. Somedays, the largemouths are eager eaters, other days they won’t take anything. One technique I’ve been using with alot of success is to get into a rowboat and let the wind drift me across the lake…fly on a sinking line trolling at the wind’s speed. Surprisingly, alot of bass take the fly. Yesterday at sun’s zenith, I stopped my drift and anchored in a spot where I thought some fat perch or walleyes might be hanging out. I cast the fast sink line with a red and brown glass-bead streamer about seventy feet out and let it sink to the bottom. A few quick jigs, and the old lady of the lake, the one I had heard about, ate. She took line and bent the 6 wgt. GLoomis so the tip was touching the water. She was old and she was beautiful. Bob E. George? Dave LaCourse

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Dave, No George anywhere near here. Just Bob, bobbing around Gravel Ponds Lake near Rochester, NY. Bob E.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bob: <<I’ve been flyfishing a small gravel pond lake for bass and walleyes for a couple of years now. Everyday is different. Somedays, the largemouths are eager eaters, other days they won’t take anything. One technique I’ve been using with alot of success is to get into a rowboat and let the wind drift me across the lake…fly on a sinking line trolling at the wind’s speed. Surprisingly, alot of bass take the fly. Yesterday at sun’s zenith, I stopped my drift and anchored in a spot where I thought some fat perch or walleyes might be hanging out. I cast the fast sink line with a red and brown glass-bead streamer about seventy feet out and let it sink to the bottom. A few quick jigs, and the old lady of the lake, the one I had heard about, ate. She took line and bent the 6 wgt. GLoomis so the tip was touching the water. She was old and she was beautiful. Bob E. George? Dave LaCourse

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Bob: <<No George anywhere near here. Just Bob, bobbing around Gravel Ponds Lake near Rochester, NY. Ahhhh, Rochester, NY.  Home of J.W. Dundee’s Honey Brown and other fine elixirs.  Not too far away from where Sleeman’s is brewed.   Dave L.

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Dave, So many brews around here it makes the mind boggle. Bob E.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bob: <<No George anywhere near here. Just Bob, bobbing around Gravel Ponds Lake near Rochester, NY. Ahhhh, Rochester, NY.  Home of J.W. Dundee’s Honey Brown and other fine elixirs.  Not too far away from where Sleeman’s is brewed. Dave L.

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Speaking of Dundee’s Honey Brown: Though it’s a mere lager, it’s a damned tasty one, and I confess that I’ve developed quite a jag for that stuff. And frankly speaking (Peter: avert thine eyes) prefer it to both of the Sleeman’s brews that – while very pleasant indeed and very much appreciated – lack the punch of the Dundee’s… There. I said it. I’ve been holding that back for weeks, but now it’s out there. /daytripper (sipping a Honey Brown even as I type this ;^)

        confession, tripper, is good for the soul.         wayno

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Ahhhh, Rochester, NY.  Home of J.W. Dundee’s Honey Brown and other fine elixirs.  Not too far away from where Sleeman’s is brewed.

Speaking of Dundee’s Honey Brown: Though it’s a mere lager, it’s a damned tasty one, and I confess that I’ve developed quite a jag for that stuff. And frankly speaking (Peter: avert thine eyes) prefer it to both of the Sleeman’s brews that – while very pleasant indeed and very much appreciated – lack the punch of the Dundee’s… There. I said it. I’ve been holding that back for weeks, but now it’s out there. /daytripper (sipping a Honey Brown even as I type this ;^)

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You are fortunate indeed, Tripper, that Peter is on holiday.  But there are other Sleeman’s afficianados around here to whom you will have to answer on judgment day, which will come sooner than you might think. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And frankly speaking (Peter: avert thine eyes) prefer it to both of the Sleeman’s brews that – while very pleasant indeed and very much appreciated – lack the punch of the Dundee’s… There. I said it. I’ve been holding that back for weeks, but now it’s out there. /daytripper (sipping a Honey Brown even as I type this ;^)

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You are fortunate indeed, Tripper, that Peter is on holiday.  But there are other Sleeman’s afficianados around here to whom you will have to answer on judgment day, which will come sooner than you might think.

Yup, I reckon that I’ll have drawn the wrath of many sudsy souls hereabouts. Wouldn’t be the first time (and prolly won’t be the last ;^) As American politics points out repeatedly, the majority is often more wrong than right… Still…Dundee’s is an excellent substitute for the even hardier brews that I favor but that require a trip to the local pub to obtain. So I tip my second Honey Brown to you reprobates that drink beer from clear glass bottles. You know not what you do… /daytripper (hic!)

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confession, tripper, is good for the soul. wayno

And beer is good for the kidneys ! But not if you hold it back for weeks ! I can not eat but little meat, my stomach is not good, but sure I think that I can drink, as much as any would, Let the back and the sides go bare me boys, let the hands and the feet grow cold, but give to the belly good ale enough, whether it be new or old ! TL MC

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Mark Faulkner writes:

<<You are fortunate indeed, Tripper, that Peter is on holiday.  But there are other Sleeman’s afficianados around here to whom you will have to answer on judgment day, which will come sooner than you might think. Mark Faulkner Peter is on holiday and will spend the evening of the 6th with Jo and me.  I *know* he wouldn’t show up without any Sleeman’s, but whether or not I can make it to the fall ball with it is quite another thing.  Oh, yeah, I forgot.  I found *three* of the little devils in the fridge today.  Musta forgot about ‘em. There be only one left.  Come on August 6th……. You want I should bring some Dundee’s HBs to NC in October? Dave LaCourse

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Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Butch

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Not so bad in my book, snagger.  Those bass can be outstanding on a fly rod, and the bluegills and perch are tasty indeed. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Butch

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<<Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Welcome aboard, DeepSnag.  I retired from  Mother Nav in 1975.  There are other retirees in ROFF, and Tom Brown, a regular ROFF poster, has a son on USS Nicholas FFG47.  You’re with family.  ’Course, we got lots of no-account lawyers and folks with "edu" in their address, but as a whole, they’re pretty neat. They’re worth going fishing with, anyway.  Let’s hear more from you. Dave LaCourse, USN (Ret)

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Well, you guys are making me homesick.  I was born in Rochester and grew up in Webster, Warsaw, Corning, Hornell and finally in Penn Yan, NY on Keuka Lake. For the past nineteen years I’ve been in the Navy, and recently my flies have been seeking fish in the warm tidal rivers, creeks and lakes of Hampton Roads, Virginia where we catch some real nice large mouth bass, Perch, Bluegills and such.  All great fun, but still not the same as our more Northern aquatic friends.  Anyhow, it’s good to hear the stories from back home, I’ll be back there in another year or so.  Take care all, and good fishing! Butch

Congratulations DeepSnag for sticking it out with the USN. I still remember the anticipation of counting down the years, months and days till retirement. Nothing like it. Best decision I ever made. Don’t know about you but my 20 yrs went by really fast. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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Welcome aboard, DeepSnag.  I retired from  Mother Nav in 1975.  There are other retirees in ROFF, and Tom Brown, a regular ROFF poster, has a son on USS Nicholas FFG47.  You’re with family.  ’Course, we got lots of no-account lawyers and folks with "edu" in their address, but as a whole, they’re pretty neat. They’re worth going fishing with, anyway.  Let’s hear more from you. Dave LaCourse, USN (Ret)

I’ll have to put in a plug for my son here…Navy Chaplain serving aboard the USS Rainier out of Bremerton, WA. I’m proud of this guy and wish he was geographically closer. He has plans to stay…another 7 yrs to retirement. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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I’ve been flyfishing a small gravel pond lake for bass and walleyes for a couple of years now. Everyday is different. Somedays, the largemouths are eager eaters, other days they won’t take anything. One technique I’ve been using with alot of success is to get into a rowboat and let the wind drift me across the lake…fly on a sinking line trolling at the wind’s speed. Surprisingly, alot of bass take the fly. Yesterday at sun’s zenith, I stopped my drift and anchored in a spot where I thought some fat perch or walleyes might be hanging out. I cast the fast sink line with a red and brown glass-bead streamer about seventy feet out and let it sink to the bottom. A few quick jigs, and the old lady of the lake, the one I had heard about, ate. She took line and bent the 6 wgt. GLoomis so the tip was touching the water. She was old and she was beautiful. Bob E.

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Frank Church writes:

<<I’ll have to put in a plug for my son here…Navy Chaplain serving aboard the USS Rainier out of Bremerton, WA. I’m proud of this guy and wish he was geographically closer. He has plans to stay…another 7 yrs to retirement. Hey, congratulations, Frank.  I can imagine how  very proud you are of him.  The Rainier is an oiler (AOE), so I bet he is at sea a lot.  Does he also FF? Dave LaCourse

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Frank Church writes: <<I’ll have to put in a plug for my son here…Navy Chaplain serving aboard the USS Rainier out of Bremerton, WA. I’m proud of this guy and wish he was geographically closer. He has plans to stay…another 7 yrs to retirement. Hey, congratulations, Frank.  I can imagine how  very proud you are of him.  The Rainier is an oiler (AOE), so I bet he is at sea a lot.  Does he also FF? Dave LaCourse

his third or 4th one. The assignment he liked best was being attached to the USMC as unit chaplain at Camp Lejuene..he got out there and humped on the marches and hikes with the grunts. On his way (with family) to Naples (?) for 3 yrs in Jan.  His job will be to travel all over Europe, sort of a military circuit rider. Man, am I jealous! Afraid he doesn’t FF…his avocation and vocation take up all his time and right now he has no interest in fishing of any kind. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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[deleted] So I tip my second Honey Brown to you reprobates that drink beer from clear glass bottles. You know not what you do…

[deleted] Honey in beer ! Egads man…have you no taste ?!?!?! Honey belongs on peanut butter sandwiches, not in beer. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] So I tip my second Honey Brown to you reprobates that drink beer from clear glass bottles. You know not what you do… Honey in beer ! Egads man…have you no taste ?!?!?! Honey belongs on peanut butter sandwiches, not in beer.

Ah, if you only had a clue, Tim… /daytripper (tonite, it’s Concord Pale Ale, fresh from the brewery. Yummy!)

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I’m getting back into flyfishing after several years and i need a new rod/reel/line outfit.  I’ve seen several nice ones around but can’t really decide which weight i should go for.  I’m considering a #6 or #7 weight rod – but i haven’t ruled out a #5 or #8 weight either.  I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel.  I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.                                                -Zimmy

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I’m primarily a warmwater ff and have always used an 8 wt.  Recently I picked up a 6 wt. fast action rod and have really enjoyed it for bass and panfish.  I think that the faster action allows it to cast larger flies well, yet, it is still fun with small 12" bass. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m getting back into flyfishing after several years and i need a new rod/reel/line outfit.  I’ve seen several nice ones around but can’t really decide which weight i should go for.  I’m considering a #6 or #7 weight rod – but i haven’t ruled out a #5 or #8 weight either.  I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel. I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.                                               -Zimmy

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I’m getting back into flyfishing after several years and i need a new rod/reel/line outfit.  I’ve seen several nice ones around but can’t really decide which weight i should go for.  I’m considering a #6 or #7 weight rod – but i haven’t ruled out a #5 or #8 weight either.  I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel.  I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.

Be guided by fly size.  If your typical day was spent using only flies #16 and smaller you would want a 5 weight outfit (or 6 or 4).  If the typical day was spent casting one-inch poppers or streamers for bass you’d want a 7 weight or 8.  You can cast bigger flies on a lighter outfit, and you can cast smaller than #16s on a 7 weight or heavier outfit, but you would probably not enjoy it after an hour or so. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I use a Sage 5wt overlined with 6wt line.  It is a tip-flex rod and it has a very fast action which does a good job casting flies as small as size 12 dries to 1/0 deer hair poppers.  It has enough backbone to fight big largemouths and is sensitive enough to make moderate sized panfish a blast to catch.  No, it’s not the perfect rod for every situation, but as an all-around warm-water rod, I couldn’t want for much more.  I still would like a 2 or 3wt for small panfish and a 9wt for saltwater. HTH, Clark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m getting back into flyfishing after several years and i need a new rod/reel/line outfit.  I’ve seen several nice ones around but can’t really decide which weight i should go for.  I’m considering a #6 or #7 weight rod – but i haven’t ruled out a #5 or #8 weight either.  I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel. I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.                                               -Zimmy

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(Donald Phillipson) writes:

*SNIP* I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel.  I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx. Be guided by fly size.  If your typical day was spent using only flies #16 and smaller you would want a 5 weight outfit (or 6 or 4).  If the typical day was spent casting one-inch poppers or streamers for bass you’d want a 7 weight or 8.  You can cast bigger flies on a lighter outfit, and you can cast smaller than #16s on a 7 weight or heavier outfit, but you would probably not enjoy it after an hour or so.

Don’s advice is right on the money.  Presuming you use a forearm-based casting stroke, sounds like a fast action 6wt. (such as the Orvis TL 906 – Silver Label or Trident version) would do the trick.  If you expect to through lots of #2 deer hair bugs, go ahead and stick a 7wt. line on that fast action 6.  The rod will handle it just fine and the 7wt. line pulls big bugs through the air better than the 6.  If you didn’t need to throw the big bugs for largemouth bass, a 5 wt would do fine.  So, like Don says, let your fly size be your guide. I have a line-weight/fly size/quarry table (my personal opinions) set up on my web-site that you might want to glance at.  Go to "http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish/LineSpec.html" and click on the hyperlink to "Line Weight ‘Recommended Uses’ Chart".  You might find it useful in making your decision.                                        Good Fishing,                                             Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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I have a pfluger summit 6W and I use it for every kind of fish, from 15 inch trout to 20 pound red salmon on the keni river. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m getting back into flyfishing after several years and i need a new rod/reel/line outfit.  I’ve seen several nice ones around but can’t really decide which weight i should go for.  I’m considering a #6 or #7 weight rod – but i haven’t ruled out a #5 or #8 weight either.  I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel.  I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.                                                -Zimmy

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If you are just getting back into flyfishing and you fished with lower modulus graphite or even fiberglass in the past, be very careful with the new tip flex type rods that some have recommended.  A 5 weight is a good all around rod, and as one wrote, 6 wt line will help the rod load better with larger flies.  I would consider a good mid flex or even a powerful full flex rod to get back in the swing of things.  Either way, make sure you cast it first.  Any good dealer will insist you cast it prior to buying it.  Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m getting back into flyfishing after several years and i need a new rod/reel/line outfit.  I’ve seen several nice ones around but can’t really decide which weight i should go for.  I’m considering a #6 or #7 weight rod – but i haven’t ruled out a #5 or #8 weight either.  I fish mostly for trout and panfish, w/ a few occasional largemouth and smallmouth bass and small pickerel. I would like an outfit w/ as much versitility as possible for small to medium-sized fish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.                                               -Zimmy

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Hi, My name is Curt Threlkeld and I am looking for names, numbers, addresses, etc. of fly fishing shops or individuals that I can put on my mailing list.  I live 60 miles south of Cancun, Mexico very close to Boca Paila and Acension Bay. The village is called Puerto Aventuras. I rent beach front condos and work call my toll free 888-803-8454 or visit my web site http://www.bluecaribbean.com .Thank you

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visit my web site http://www.bluecaribbean.com .Thank you

—– There is nothing at your website. When?

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Any FF opportunties in Tennessee or shall I leave my fly rod at home? I’m going to be in Nashville on business. -steve

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Stop by Cumberland Transit Flyfishing on West End Just west of Vanderbilt U. Jim, Chris, Eric or I will try and help. We’ve had lots of rain however and the tailwaters, which are closest are running very high. Jack

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Any FF opportunties in Tennessee or shall I leave my fly rod at home? I’m going to be in Nashville on business. -steve

The Caney Fork is about 45 minutes away, but the generation schedules have been tough lately.  Both the Duck and the Elk Rivers are 1.5-2 hours away, and they generate less frequently than the Caney Fork. The CF and the Elk are good trout waters; you’ll occasionally see Browns in the range of 2-6 pounds.  There are also some trout streams west of Nashville that are not tailwaters, but I can’t give you much info on them.  I haven’t fished any of them yet. Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN

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To Any UK or European Angler Types,   Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

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There is an article on ground bait in this months issue of In-Fisherman. I must admit, until I read the article, I had never heard of ground bait. (Apparently, it is very popular in Europe). The article specifically targets Bluegill (Shellcrackers). They mention using Spam, and other ingredients. Sorry, I dont have the issue with me or I would include the recipie. One thing I do remember was that they claimed that there is no better bait for Bluegill that have been attracted by groundbait than Maggots. I hope you can find a copy of the issue.

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To Any UK or European Angler Types,  Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

Chopped worms added either to peat (as a binder) or to a breadcrumb based groundbait always works well for perch. Tench and bream go for it too. Bream are traditionally groundbaited for with bread crumb based groundbait, containing samples of whatever the hook bait is.  There are lots of commercial groundbaits and additives which are good for roach, bream, rudd etc. Having said that, loose fed maggots are usually sufficient for perch. Steve

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First I’d like to indroduce myself for this is my first posting this   newsgroup. I live in the northern part of Germany and I’m thirty years old, I’ve been   fishing for various species with a lot methods for nearly twenty years.   I’ve been a serious carp angler for ten years but nowadays I spend most of   the time fishing for seatrout in the baltic sea either with fly or   spinning baits and I enjoy flyfishing for atlantic salmon in Norway Anyway, here we go:. To Any UK or European Angler Types,   Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

Hello Curtis, Well, attracting bream is quite simple, first you need a lot of groundbait   because bream feed in great schoals and eat a lot. To hold them in place   for a longer time really needs a lot of bait. For a 5 hour bream session I   would recommend at least 3 gallons of groundbait, if there is a good stock   of bream the water. The difficulty in bream fishing is to get larger specimen (4 lbs + fish),   for they tend to travel solitarily the bigger they get. Smaller bream are easy to attract and to catch, if the water holds a good   stock and they live in large schoals.. The basic substance should be breadcrumb or bread. The groundbait should   be sweet for bream, vanilla is a very common additive and caramel, sugar   or koprah molasses are widely used by European bream anglers. Add maggots   or other live bait (worms) to the groundbait, about 1/4 of a gallon or so.   A good substance to add to bream groundbait are crushed butter cookies,   they can make up to 1/3 or even more of the mix. Don’t buy them in a   supermarket, try to get substandard goods from a factory or bakery. Good hook baits for bream are: maggots lobworms combination of maggot/lobworm combination of sweetcorn and maggot breadflake The "sweet bream mix" works very well for tench  either. When fishing for roach the mixture should be less sweet than for bream.   Hemp meal is very attractive for roach and cooked hemp is a fine hook bait   for this species (the basic substance beeing breadcrumb as well). And a substance used by European competions anglers is dove shit, believe   me or not, not much, some 2% or so. The Dutch and Belgian anglers have   used that for a number of years. Good hook baits for roach and rudd are maggots or casters. and especially for rudd the breadflake You’ll get a problem when there are a lot of carp in the water, because   carp like these groundbaits too. And they drive away the smaller fish   from your swim, when the occur in larger numbers. The only way of dealing with them in such a case is to get out the carp   rods …. . Attracting perch with groundbait doesn’t work. You can use a catapult and   shoot maggots in larger quantities into the water, this will attract some   perch but will attract more and more roach and/or rudd. Kind regards Wolfgang — Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to   contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration. (Izaak Walton,   The compleat angler, London 1653) ## CrossPoint v3.02 ##

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  My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body?   regards

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:   My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant :   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body? :   regards I have seen the Grannom advertised as the Brachycentrus caddis, the color of which I know not.  Perhaps an entomologist can now help.                                 -jamie

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  My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body?

"Grannom" is the common name in Great Britain for the caddisfly _Brachycentrus subnubilus_.  The term has also been applied to _Brachycentrus_ species in North America.  The flies are dark, and dark brown for the body color is as good a guess as any.  But when selecting flies, you will do better to observe the insects on the stream you’re fishing, rather than depending on the hatch chart.  Knowing the name that people gave to the fly is not the same as knowing the fly. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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Olive green body.  Slate/tan wings. That’s the coloration for Brachycentrus numerosus in east. Also known as the Shad fly. Size 16. Tight lines! Steve Glad

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I am trying to create a ‘fly database’ which would include flies, materials and instructions for tying the fly, as well as maybe background on when to use the particular fly and where.  This db will eventually be online on my web page. If you would like to contribute (with acknowledgements) then please do so, this will be a very good resource for all. An example entry to the archive would be: Name of fly: Type of fly: Entymology, history etc: When generally used: Where used: Materials used for fly: Instructions/Steps for tying fly. any other information you might have. If you have any questions please send me mail for this as well… Matt — NICOH Net Internet Access Provider for Eastern Idaho

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        Are you aware that there is already a "virtual flybox" on the ‘Net which has various fly dressings?

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I am trying to create a ‘fly database’ which would include flies, materials and instructions for tying the fly, as well as maybe background on when to use the particular fly and where.  This db will eventually be online on my web page. If you would like to contribute (with acknowledgements) then please do so, this will be a very good resource for all.

There is a program available that will do that and keep pictures of your flies. See http://www.mind.net/vmt/ You can keep an inventory of any equipment, flies, and track expenses. You can have unlimited logs for each trip and unlimited trips. Presentation, water clarity, temperature, weather and other info is tracked in the fishing logs. The guys that wrote the program are fly fisherman that have been programming (and fishing) for many years.

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: : I’ll send you money if you send me time and good health. Name your price. : good health is just luck, but money could sure ease out the time part… : 200K and some plane tickets to Valpraiso would be a good start. Of  Which Valpraiso are you speaking of.   : course, I’ll need some new baggy shorts and some t-shirts with lewd : sayings… : TimWalker Bryan

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I’ll always be willing to trade money for a few hours chest deep in the surf ! Doesn’t always pan out though. Today I was supposed to fly to Martha’s Vineyard with a pilot friend to fish Lobsterville beach for the day, but got scheduled for a teleconference so I had to bag it. Yes, I could have done a cellular thing, but to me a scheduled interruption during fishing defeats the whole purpose. Well turns out it’s pouring, and I’m not sure my friend got out, as the ceiling’s pretty low here. Consoled myself by going down to Hampton Beach and making a few casts in the surf for lunch hour. No fish, but the combined smells of salt water and dripping rain gear have the most rejuvenating effect on me ! And people wonder why I find it necessay to live, work, and spend my entire existence within 3 miles of the ocean :-                                                                 jc

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: I’ll always be willing to trade money for a few hours chest deep in the surf ! : Doesn’t always pan out though. Today I was supposed to fly to Martha’s : Vineyard with a pilot friend to fish Lobsterville beach for the day, but got : scheduled for a teleconference so I had to bag it. Yes, I could have done a : cellular thing, but to me a scheduled interruption during fishing defeats : the whole purpose. Well turns out it’s pouring, and I’m not sure my friend : got out, as the ceiling’s pretty low here. Consoled myself by going down to : Hampton Beach and making a few casts in the surf for lunch hour. No fish, : but the combined smells of salt water and dripping rain gear have the most : rejuvenating effect on me ! And people wonder why I find it necessay to live, : work, and spend my entire existence within 3 miles of the ocean :- :                                                               jc :                                                      

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God I’m sick of work.  Let’s go fishin’… Any billionaires on the net ? Release me from this toil ! Never mind me…just having a mid-life crisis in cyberspace… Tim Walker

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: I’ll send you money if you send me time and good health. Name your price. good health is just luck, but money could sure ease out the time part… 200K and some plane tickets to Valpraiso would be a good start. Of course, I’ll need some new baggy shorts and some t-shirts with lewd sayings… TimWalker

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: God I’m sick of work.  Let’s go fishin’… Any billionaires on the net ? : Release me from this toil ! I’ll send you money if you send me time and good health. Name your price.                                                        __ John Quill Taylor                                     / / Writer at Large                                      / /   Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division    __     /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A.                         /_/  __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MDT = GMT – 6)     /  \  / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard                    / \             11413 Chinden Blvd                 \             Boise, Idaho 83714                   _/             Mailstop 230                            _/                                                   _/       "When in doubt, do as doubters do." -jqt                   haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list,              where is our schindler?

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(paraphrased with ADD in mind) is that we’re all given a car to drive, some of us are given a Mercedes, some are given a Yugo.  God knows what kind of car we’re driving and is going to cut us ADDers some slack!

        I’m driving a "Lada". Lada is not accepted by the US car-registration.         That is the problem, not that Lada would be a dangerous car or that         it wouldn’t work.         The point in my illustration is that God accepts and understands, but         people don’t. We can manage well, but we are always causing problems         in the traffic. People with fast cars shout to us. We can/dare use         our car only in small roads, in highways we would be killed. Your         car never brings you success and it always breaks to the roadside. just open their Bible and read until their mind starts wandering, or until they get sleepy, then to try and set a fixed time goal or quantity goal.  When you do that, you may be setting yourself up for failure.  Look upon prayer and Bible reading as something to be enjoyed, not a chore to be endured.

        The Bible doesn’t differ from a normal book in the matter that if you         get in, you can read it for hours. I recommend reading the Bible         through from Genesis to Revelation. Use a translation that is the         most convenient for you, using modern and simple  language. My fellow ADDers, I don’t wish this forum to turn into alt.religion.nausea either, but it sounds like for Jack and for surely for me, our faith helps us live with ADD, and we here have all seemed to respect those things we have all posted that "work for me."  If you haven’t explored your own spirituality, I encourage you to do so, in whatever way feels right for you.  Sometimes its the only thing that brings me any calm.  

        I have strong religious ideas that I don’t share in this forum (the         other newsgroups are for that). If someone wants to discuss with me         about religion in general, you can do that by email.         Religion has helped me very much. I got rid of demons. For those, who         refuse to believe in demons I could say that they were utterly         terrible nightmares with the difference that in normal nightmares         you don’t wake up having wounds all over your body. I think this         psychological stress made my ADD and MBD worse.         —                 Andreas – Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint Disclaimer: My ideas don’t represent Joensuu University, the pope, MIT, Kiihtelysvaara Cat-raisers club, KGB, Aeroflot, United Arab Emirates or

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| | Who is it that has such control of the life I call my own? | Is there a plan?  Who has it?  Does anyone?   | By what authority must I do this but not this? | And if not able to willfully do such, does He take that which compels me to | disobey – and with it a whole lot more than that?  Or does he not, and thus | I am at a loss to explain that world in which I exist? | | Prepare ye the way of the world.  For that which is – is, and we need not | labor over why, just what and how. | Follow My word and ye shall be rewarded!   | "Allejuiah!"   | But hath I the patience, the strength to endure until then?   | | I am a servant, albeit a lousy one | But must I be a slave as well? | Are ANY earthly pleasures mine to be had? | Or is there meaning only in eternity? | If so, when, WHEN will tomorrow come? | Is that also His and only His to know? | | Why must it be that whatever goes up must come down? | This is just the way it is – but says who? | We see that if one drops a tennis ball, it rises again | only after it has hit the bottom. | But, where is "rock bottom"? | And, am I not a tennis ball?  Perhaps I am an egg instead. | | Is there only one way to find out? | I am too afraid to find out but have no choice! | Lest I take away by force that which was given to me. | But is all that is given His perogative to give then taketh away? | Is it ONLY HIS perogative? | Have I any hope of reaching eternal bliss by my own hand? | | Is there any earthly relief?   | Am I even worthy of such? | Am I a such trash for asking? | Do my own actions explain my suffering? | Am I the one in control of my world?   | Or is it my purpose to surrender control to Him? | | But I am a coward. | I can face neither life nor death. | Yet I know not which is worse. | I hath the guts to endure neither | And so I face nothing | and walk aimlessly along in despair. | |                               -s. troubled | |         OY! Chill out man         Its a great life if you don’t weaken         Have a nice day         My best friend is having a baby         Today is a Solar Eclipse         I have friends         I was just listed in Whos who         My daughter told me a joke that was funny         and didn’t have ANY scatological references         Baltimore Orioles are nesting in my yard         It’s spring         Ronald Regan isn’t President anymore         Beer tastes good         Flying         Fly fishing         Hope         A good joke         Just finished a semester         Reading a good Roger Zelazney         (Add your favorite things here)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The other thing that folks with ADD need to know is that God will accept you as you are.  I’m not trying to do an electronic altar call here, but I think it’s important to mention this because so many people (even, unfortunately, some in churches) do NOT accept ADD people as they are.  It says in the Bible that man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.  People with ADD who try to get active with a Christian group may have the unfortunate experience of coming across someone who thinks they are God’s agent of correction for the wayfaring… the kind who don’t have an ounce of Christian love in them, but who are quite ready and willing to tell you that you need to do certain things and that laziness is sin and so on.  In almost every case you will find as you come to know these people that they are the biggest hypocrites in the church, but unfortunately, many people don’t stick around long enough to find that out… they think "these people hate me!" and vow never to darken the door of that church again!  The

Thanks for saying this, Jack.  C.S. Lewis talks about natural "temperaments" and the like in Mere Christianity and one of his thoughts (paraphrased with ADD in mind) is that we’re all given a car to drive, some of us are given a Mercedes, some are given a Yugo.  God knows what kind of car we’re driving and is going to cut us ADDers some slack! Another thing that ADD people need to beware of are the people who will load you down with all sorts of regulations that you can’t possibly follow.  Often this will come across as something like "If you are REALLY SERIOUS about being a Christian, you will do thus and such!"

Indeed.  The criminal who was crucified with Christ did not have time to "do" anything.  He just asked Jesus to "remember me." and Jesus told him that today he would be with him in paradise.  Just believe.  That’s it. encouraged, but I think many ADD people will find it much easier to just open their Bible and read until their mind starts wandering, or until they get sleepy, then to try and set a fixed time goal or quantity goal.  When you do that, you may be setting yourself up for failure.  Look upon prayer and Bible reading as something to be enjoyed, not a chore to be endured.

Here here. I’m telling you this from personal experience.  Unfortunately, early on in my Christian life I got around too many people who delighted in telling other Christians exactly how to live, down to minute detail… and I can tell you in no uncertain terms that this hurt my Christian walk rather than helping it!  I hold no malice toward those folks; neither they nor I knew that I had ADD, and I think it would have made a difference in how they would have approached me had they known.  And in any case, most of them learned the error of acting in this way, but unfortunately not until they had hurt some people.  I just hope those who were hurt didn’t give up on God.  I’m glad that I didn’t.

My fellow ADDers, I don’t wish this forum to turn into alt.religion.nausea either, but it sounds like for Jack and for surely for me, our faith helps us live with ADD, and we here have all seemed to respect those things we have all posted that "work for me."  If you haven’t explored your own spirituality, I encourage you to do so, in whatever way feels right for you.  Sometimes its the only thing that brings me any calm.   God bless you all!   Nancy

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As a fellow agnostic who has always wanted to find God… I wish you luck.  Gee, if I ever thought I was feeling depressed….;(  Feel better stan. –Rachel It will get better…summer is coming – my brother, Josh

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Please note that this is not an off-the-wall, irrelevent post in an inappropriate newsgroup… there have actually been three or four messages recently in alt.support.attn-deficit that in a roundabout way dealt with this topic, though they did not have this subject heading. If you you are the sort who likes to flame people for talking about God, just hit the "n" key now and spare yourself the effort, because I promine to ignore your nastygram. Having said that, I will point out that what follows should be taken as my opinion.  I’m not a preacher, just a struggling and OFTEN imperfect Christian.  I’m not trying to hold myself up as a role model for anyone.  I believe that churches are (or at least should be) hospitals for sinners, not museums for saints. If you are truly trying to find God, it would seem that the logical place to look would be the Bible.  But there are a couple of pitfalls here, particularly for those with ADD.  In particular, the first time you read the Bible you should NOT start at the beginning.  What will happen is that as you start to read Genesis, you will first come across some things that are hard to understand without having some background, and then you will come across the seemingly endless genealogies that will put you to sleep.  Better to start in the New Testament.  The best place to start for most people is the book of John, but if you really crave excitement you might want to start with the book of Acts.  Not only is the New Testament more relevent to us today, it’s also more current.  If you MUST start in the Old Testament, try starting at something like I or II Kings, or I or II Samuel.  For the most part, you won’t be bored in those books, but you may find some things that are hard to understand at first. And at risk of offending the few diehards who insist that the King James version was good enough for the disciples so it ought to be good enough for you , let me point out that unless you LOVE reading 400 year olde English, you’ll probably find a modern translation much easier to understand… BUT, be careful you don’t get one put out by a particular sect that changes certain verses to promote their theology. I recommend the New International Version (published by Zondervan), if only because the translators came from a wide variety of demoninational backgrounds that for the most part kept denominational bias out.  There are other good modern translations out as well.  I don’t want to argue this point if anyone disagrees, but personally I would steer clear of anyone who insists that there is only ONE version of the Bible you should read (they are probably either in a cult, or at very least they don’t trust that God is able to reveal his truth to you through any version other than the one THEY like!). And if you just can’t get into the thought of reading the Bible right now, but would consider reading a more modern and interesting book, may I suggest you visit your library or a bookstore and ask for a copy of "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis.  This book has been around for close to fifty years now (I think it was written in the ’40’s) but it is as relevent today as ever.  If you’ve been told you have to have "blind faith" and turn off your intellect to understand God (NOT true!) and you can’t accept that, then this is the book for you.  It was one of those books that I was able to easily "hyperfocus" on; I couldn’t put it down! The other thing that folks with ADD need to know is that God will accept you as you are.  I’m not trying to do an electronic altar call here, but I think it’s important to mention this because so many people (even, unfortunately, some in churches) do NOT accept ADD people as they are.  It says in the Bible that man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart.  People with ADD who try to get active with a Christian group may have the unfortunate experience of coming across someone who thinks they are God’s agent of correction for the wayfaring… the kind who don’t have an ounce of Christian love in them, but who are quite ready and willing to tell you that you need to do certain things and that laziness is sin and so on.  In almost every case you will find as you come to know these people that they are the biggest hypocrites in the church, but unfortunately, many people don’t stick around long enough to find that out… they think "these people hate me!" and vow never to darken the door of that church again!  The problem is, that was NOT God speaking to you, that was just someone else who is in worse shape than you are (even if they have some position in the church).  Here’s how to test these people, and at the same time avoid making the same mistake yourself:  Read Romans chapter 14.  The entire chapter.  Not just once, but as often as it takes for it to really sink in.  Then measure those people against that chapter. If they are violating the letter and spirit of the Bible with every word of condemnation they utter, don’t let them ruin YOUR relationship with God! Another thing that ADD people need to beware of are the people who will load you down with all sorts of regulations that you can’t possibly follow.  Often this will come across as something like "If you are REALLY SERIOUS about being a Christian, you will do thus and such!" Unless they can show you where this is COMMANDED in the Bible (and not just in one obscure verse, and make sure it’s an actual COMMAND, not an example of something that someone did voluntarily), don’t listen to it, especially if it sounds like an impossible command for you!  For example, some people will tell you that you MUST read the Bible x number of minutes per day, or that you must read a certain number of verses or chapters a day.  The problem is that while this may be what God wants that person to do (and indeed, their life may have been turned around by following that advice), chances are that God did NOT tell them to go out and preach that as a COMMAND to everyone – they just figure that since it worked so well for them, it must work for everyone!  And since everyone is different, what God wants that one person to do may not be what he wants YOU to do.  Make no mistake, prayer is good and Bible reading is good and both are things to be encouraged, but I think many ADD people will find it much easier to just open their Bible and read until their mind starts wandering, or until they get sleepy, then to try and set a fixed time goal or quantity goal.  When you do that, you may be setting yourself up for failure.  Look upon prayer and Bible reading as something to be enjoyed, not a chore to be endured. I’m telling you this from personal experience.  Unfortunately, early on in my Christian life I got around too many people who delighted in telling other Christians exactly how to live, down to minute detail… and I can tell you in no uncertain terms that this hurt my Christian walk rather than helping it!  I hold no malice toward those folks; neither they nor I knew that I had ADD, and I think it would have made a difference in how they would have approached me had they known.  And in any case, most of them learned the error of acting in this way, but unfortunately not until they had hurt some people.  I just hope those who were hurt didn’t give up on God.  I’m glad that I didn’t. The last thing I would say is that when you are ready to start attending church, don’t be afraid to try several until you find the one that you feel the presence of God in (but please, don’t confuse man-made enthusiasm with the presence of God, they are two quite different things!).  If you pray and ask God to show you to the right church, He will… BUT it may not necessarily be the first church you walk into.  You may have to try several. ADD people have to be careful of three types of churches:  First, the type where the services are so predictable and boring that you find yourself counting the ceiling tiles.  Second, the ones that are so legalistic and narrow that you will be condemned as being lazy, crazy, or stupid (a.k.a. "foolish") before they even know you.  You need spiritual help; that’s why you’re there, and if all they can offer is condemnation, they’re blinder than you are (in a spiritual sense) and will be of no help to you whatsoever!  Third, the cults.  The problem here is that the cults often tend to know exactly what’s wrong with the other churches, and therefore they will go out of their way to be both exciting and interesting, BUT they twist the scriptures to suit their own purposes (which are often to make money for the people highest in the cult hierarchy).  In addition, following their teachings will NOT secure eternal life for you (at least not in any place you’d want to spend eternity).  I’m getting dangerously close to preaching here, which I said I wouldn’t do, but I do think it’s important to KNOW where you will spend eternity after you die… and that’s all I’ll say about that here. There is a passage in the Bible, in the book of Matthew (chapter 11, verses 28-30) that I think is especially appropriate for those with ADD that are seeking God.  Jesus is speaking, and he says, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.  Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Jack Jack Decker   |   "What were once options are now mandates!" Please note:  Some days I get lots of e-mail.  On such days, I read it all, but don’t personally respond to all of it due to lack of time.

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Who is it that has such control of the life I call my own? Is there a plan?  Who has it?  Does anyone?   By what authority must I do this but not this? And if not able to willfully do such, does He take that which compels me to disobey – and with it a whole lot more than that?  Or does he not, and thus I am at a loss to explain that world in which I exist? Prepare ye the way of the world.  For that which is – is, and we need not labor over why, just what and how. Follow My word and ye shall be rewarded!   "Allejuiah!"   But hath I the patience, the strength to endure until then?   I am a servant, albeit a lousy one But must I be a slave as well? Are ANY earthly pleasures mine to be had? Or is there meaning only in eternity? If so, when, WHEN will tomorrow come? Is that also His and only His to know? Why must it be that whatever goes up must come down? This is just the way it is – but says who? We see that if one drops a tennis ball, it rises again only after it has hit the bottom. But, where is "rock bottom"? And, am I not a tennis ball?  Perhaps I am an egg instead. Is there only one way to find out? I am too afraid to find out but have no choice! Lest I take away by force that which was given to me. But is all that is given His perogative to give then taketh away? Is it ONLY HIS perogative? Have I any hope of reaching eternal bliss by my own hand? Is there any earthly relief?   Am I even worthy of such? Am I a such trash for asking? Do my own actions explain my suffering? Am I the one in control of my world?   Or is it my purpose to surrender control to Him? But I am a coward. I can face neither life nor death. Yet I know not which is worse. I hath the guts to endure neither And so I face nothing and walk aimlessly along in despair.                               -s. troubled

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