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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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Try a LA Habor trick, They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it,  it works very well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the birds can’t stand on it. I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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I had the same problem in my old three story house. Instead of a BB gun I used my sons’ Super Soaker squirt gun. It worked OK for a while – they seemd to know when I was gone and planned their activities accordingly. Mark Molnar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"?

I had a similar problem with the house I bought a few months ago. The blame could be put on the previous owner, who neighbors told me, fed the pigeons. There are a couple of solutions, you can do them yourself or hire a professional (Look under "Bird Control" or "Pest Control" in the yellow pages). – You can put down spikes in strategic locations. – You can put up netting. – You can live trap (OK, the trap catches them alive, but due to – pigeons’ homing instincts you can’t just let them go, so they have   to be killed). http://www.flybye.com/ sells supplies. I went with a local pest control company that put up spikes and netting and tried to live trap. The live trap didn’t work for me; in fact the pigeons had no respect for it as they would walk all over it, but not go in it. It wasn’t cheap to have it done for me: $400 for the spikes and netting (on a 1.5 story house), and $140 for trapping. For a few weeks the spikes and netting only seemed to work a little. A neighbor recommended putting rubber snakes on the roof. I bought a couple of rubber snakes, but I never did get around to putting them on the roof as after a few weeks the pigeon visitation stopped. Another alternative that I thought of was making the roof accessible to cats. I have a few and there are plenty of neighbor cats. I thought of some designs for "cat ladders" but I never had the need to construct one. — Doug Rudoff

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When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"?

A couple of cat would discourage them, particularly if you don’t overfeed them. Otherwise, cover all entrances with 1" poultry netting (aka chicken wire); if they’re nesting in louvers or something on the outside, cover those as well (the wire will be virtually invisible from a distance). Place a radio up there blasting heavy metal or rap at full volume, if it won’t bother your neighbors. Scatter around a few handfulls of moth balls. I’m at my Wit’s end here.

I’ve always wanted to build a street named "Wit", terminating in a cul-de-sac… Gary — "It’s like complaining if wood has grains in it. Wood does have grains in it, and it is still beautiful."  Apple VP Phil Schiller, trying to explain away cracks in the Apple G4 Cube as being "mold marks".

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: Try a LA Habor trick, : They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that : the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it : and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the : ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. : Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it,  it works very : well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the : birds can’t stand on it. : I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) : John

: When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen : pigeons in my gables.  Through a very intense early morning patrol of: : removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board : with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to : scare them off with a BB gun.  Is the next step "Rat Nip"? : : I’m at my Wit’s end here. : : Thanks. These sound like good ways which DON’T involve killing. No need to do that. —

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I have followed this newsgroup for quite awhile now and some of you guys that complain the most about spaming always promote your own web site, now what is this??? Is this spaming???  When I post something here or anywhere else I do not put my web address down and I have not told anybody here or any other board that I am selling Bastard Bamboo, St.Croix , GLoomis, Eastbranch rods, Phillipson, Goodwin & Grangers Heddons, Southbends, H&I, Montagues, Orvis, or any other product I sell… When I posted that I really liked the Black Raven I was telling the truth about the rod.. I was really impressed with this rod.. AIt casted real smooth..When I go fly fishing it is adventure for me because I am in a wheelchair and I always have a hand full of rods to fish with and I usually fish with all the rods I take fishing with me, and I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..  Actually I just started flyfishing and I caught my first trout on an Bamboo Flyrod, Whoops it was a Bastard  flyrod maybe this is an ilegal word here, but I really dont care what is an ilegal word..   I am really sorry if I am spaming about my Heddons,Phillipsons,Southbends,ETC..   Come on guys forget the past and lets jsut talk about fishing and if that Word Bastard come up just let it go, because a Bastard can catch fish just like an Orvis rod can catch fish..  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

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        (blah blah blah)  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

        dave, just go mix another drink, and forget about it.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[snipped] Dave, it’s been explained to you already, but once more for emphasis: you’d never been seen here before, and suddenly a post from out of nowhere appears, overflowing with ebullient praise for a rod built by someone that had thoroughly worn out his welcome here. And adding the bit about "buying ten of them" was like waving a red flag in the face of many folks here. Thus the reaction. But it appears that those same folks might owe you an apology… [el snippo] I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..

LOL! Welll…..No comment ;^) Stick around, Dave. /daytripper

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.) — Ken Fortenberry

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I was young, rich and attractive. Thank *you*. — Charlie…

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. Wolfgang Director, ROFF Office of Research

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…  I think we are about equal in our chances of getting our wishes. HTH? You’re Welcome R (who knows Slim just stole None’s horse, and is border-bound…)

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I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster.

My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not! — Opie  –I *hope* this doesn’t piss the wrong people off– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not!

I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas.

Ah, that’s the problem: that only works to get you back *to* Kansas, you need a tornado to get you out<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.)

When did Louie grow a mustache? /daytripper (OK, now I gotta run and hide. Buh byeeeeeee! ;^)

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R wrote snip::I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…

The only way to get the damn thing to go away is to hit read msg. Big Dale

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It is about fishing.  If big oil get’s their empty suit in the White House look forward to clear cuts,  cynaide leach mines,  oil spills in ANWF and all imaginable kinds of hell loosed upon the earth.  The forces of greed want your fishing hole. BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more.

My kinda grandma!  Never got to know any of my own.  Can I borrow yours some time? Wolfgang over the river and through the woods

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal. You’re welcome. "My father said to be strong, that a good man could never do wrong  in a dream I had last night in America" -Los Lobos

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Why, do they not make Tri-Delts anymore, or was there only one window in time when they were universally considered desirable?  I know in my undergraduate days (69-73) they were thought (and I believe thought themselves) hotter than heat. Me, I never saw it:  preferred hippy girls in peasant shirts and jeans. BTW, are we allowed to talk about women here, or only politics? JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     "Tri-Delts" gives your approximate age away. [an assumption, but held until informed.] (MC’s comment snipped for space) I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal.

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     I don’t know, it seems odd to be fixated on redheads, but even more outr

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Certainly does sound as if you were snorting something or other! A most attractive Aardvark lives just across the way, and being polite I sometimes stop, to pass the time of day. she has some awkward habits though, she likes snorting ants, but when you find aardvarks attractive, this just tightens up your pants. One takes more care in ones appearance, sports dentures and toupee and a surgically lengthened nose of course, is a real hit right away. I really wanted to be an orca, but my paltry fishing skills will not suffice, its very difficult to cast with fins as well, and the operation has its price. And so I am stuck with aardvarks, and am sometimes moved to prose, when a large and  juicy termite is sucked loudly up my nose, this often makes my poor eyes water, and you need a lot of wipes, zebras have it better, but its just too hard to transplant stripes. I have been approached by possums too, invited to their lair, but I think this may be mainly due, to my artificial hair, Gummy bears have also been sniffing around of late, but I just take out my dentures then, and leave them on the plate. This discourages such advances, and is really quite a lark, but when I forget to put them in again, it upsets my aardvark. I am proud of my proboscis now, it cost a pretty penny too, the only disadvantage now, is that I live in the local zoo. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Okay, so I am sure you are all pretty well starting to panic that I have up and left without so much as a good bye.  Well, you are wrong (I would have at least given an F you and the single finger salute).  Life has been busy and I have not had time to spend countless hours reading spam, garbage, and hate posts. As a matter of fact I tried coming back once before , but the time wasn’t right because I didn’t want to come back in the middle of a war. Anyways,  I will have the info everybody is seeking monday.  Sunday I am going fishing on the Madison and have planned a stop in Ennis to haggle with the innkeepers and inspect the premises.  Trying to do this shit over the phone really wasn’t working and I could only give rough estimates and was basically being blown off.  If you are camping there are several sites that are on a first come first serve basis for something like $5 a day.  Most fishing access also allow camping I have found.  There is one right on the edge of Ennis on the other side of the river where I have seen motorhomes, tents, ect.  This is where I am planning on setting up the base camp.  I will be arriving early to claim spots since they are first come first serve.   As far as hotels.  Monday will be the big announcement as to where.  If some kind of up front monetary fee is required then it will be each individual attendees responsible to make the arrangements.  I have fished this area a lot and it does get busy during the summer and people do make reservations a year in advance, but I have never found Ennis to be packed full with every motel, hotel, ect full.  I recommend that reservations be made though as I would like to keep everyone staying in rooms in one place for convenience sake. I have spent most of my time researching different fishing locations and what not. Don’t ask for names in advance because I am not giving them out until you show up at the clave.  Some are obvious like the Madison, but others do not get as much plublicity and are great fishing and I would like to keep them that way.  Pisses me off when I see more and more of my haunts starting to be advertised in ads here, in magazines and the fly shops and the crowds start growing.  I will not contribute to this disease! Don’t worry about bears.  If your number is up there is nothing you can do about it.  Bear spray (as with firearms) are more a comfort for the carrier than for effectiveness.  The reason I say bear spray as well is because the bear isn’t going to stop when you say "Time out!  The wind is coming from the wrong direction and will be ineffective unless you allow me to move over here."  Heard of some people doing more harm to themselves than what they did to the bear and all over a false charge to boot. Most of the places we will be fishing aren’t notorious bear hang outs.   I really do apologize for being out of touch for so long.  Hunting season kept me pretty busy and then life decided to get more complicated and I haven’t even had time to fish.  I sort of drifted off a little too far it seems.  But all is well and you will be seeing me around here more often (for better or worse). Now if I can only find a good worth while argument to get involved in. . . . . Time to start searching. Warren Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Due to the peculiarities of Usenet, I haven’t seen Warren’s original

Got it. Thanks. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Vern, I have added your name.   Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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So George, now that you will be over here during that time will you or will you not be with the group?  I don’t know whether to you put your name down or not. Your other thread said you would be in the area but would not be mixing with the "bottom dwellers." Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Thanks for all of your hard work warren.  I’m still hoping to make it, it’s a long ways off for me yet though. I would be in the "camping" category. I’d be driving up from NM and probably bringing someone with me, maybe my significant other, or maybe someone who is a fly fisher. Thanks again Warren. bruiser aka bruce

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Due to the peculiarities of Usenet, I haven’t seen Warren’s original This sort of thing could be a problem in the future. Usenet in unreliable. It would be best to email people on the list directly (but also send a copy to ROFF). — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I want one of those hats and shirts.  That is if you can get a shirt in my size, boys size 14.  Just tell me how much and I’ll send you a check.  Unless you demand a money order. Vern?  (The Big Little Man)

with stilts?  If not, I will bring you my motorized drift tube with trolling motor to get  you around the Henry’s Fork. No joke.  I will even provide the big marine battery and I bet you think I’m kidding!? If not, you will be welcome to command the front deck of my drift boat with a grand view of every prime trout you care to molest.  (If you find me) You will enjoy this trip Vern.   Mr.G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to be put on the list.  I’ve already told work that I’m taking time off.  I’m tying flies.  I’ve talked a co-worker in coming up as well.  Well, I think he’s coming.  Please put my name on the list.  I will be there. Vernon D. Ursenbach If your name is not on the list or you want it taken off the list please let me know. Tim Walker Jeffrey Miller Stephen Barnard (RW) Ken Fortenberry Mike S. Medintz Mark Anderson Wayne Harrison William Loehman Mark Faulkner Bruce aka Bruiser                                     mr.g. will be over here Charlie Choc John Iding David Snedeker Dave LaCourse Peter Charles Daytripper Big Dale Indian Joe Tom Brown Jon Cook Darin Minor Ed Miller Before you buy.

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Warren I will handle the hats and shirts thing if you want. Dave

It’s a deal!  I suggest money in advance BTW, glad to see you are still around.  This is kind of like coming back home after a long time and getting back together with old friends and stuff. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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I want one of those hats and shirts.  That is if you can get a shirt in my size, boys size 14.  Just tell me how much and I’ll send you a check.  Unless you demand a money order. Vern Warren I will handle the hats and shirts thing if you want. Dave

Before you buy.

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I would like to be put on the list.  I’ve already told work that I’m taking time off.  I’m tying flies.  I’ve talked a co-worker in coming up as well.  Well, I think he’s coming.  Please put my name on the list.  I will be there. Vernon D. Ursenbach – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If your name is not on the list or you want it taken off the list please let me know. Tim Walker Jeffrey Miller Stephen Barnard (RW) Ken Fortenberry Mike S. Medintz Mark Anderson Wayne Harrison William Loehman Mark Faulkner Bruce aka Bruiser Charlie Choc John Iding David Snedeker Dave LaCourse Peter Charles Daytripper Big Dale Indian Joe Tom Brown Jon Cook Darin Minor Ed Miller

Before you buy.

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Warren I will handle the hats and shirts thing if you want. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One more thing.  Just so I get my numbers straight, how many people who are still interested in attending will be wanting rooms?  How many are willing/want to share?  I have the numbers from a few months ago, but need updated numbers. I was thinking that hats and tshirts for claves have all been done.  How about sweat shirts for the western clave?  Any volunteers to head this up? Here is the list of people I have who are interested in attending.  If your name is not on the list or you want it taken off the list please let me know. Tim Walker Jeffrey Miller Stephen Barnard (RW) Ken Fortenberry Mike S. Medintz Mark Anderson Wayne Harrison William Loehman Mark Faulkner Bruce aka Bruiser Charlie Choc John Iding David Snedeker Dave LaCourse Peter Charles Daytripper Big Dale Indian Joe Tom Brown Jon Cook Darin Minor Ed Miller Some people have indicated they are bringing guests/family members.  I am not responsible for any ethics that might be crossed or morals that  will be violated, for the record.  In no way am I responsible for anything other than fun and fishing and the other details for which I have voluntarily sacrificed myself. As far as meals go I was thinking that those will be taken care of by the individual.  We can make a nightly gathering at a local restaurant or cafe for those who want to show.  Other than that you are on your own.  After dinner perhaps drinking and debauchery by the fire at the campsites. I was also thinking that on one day, maybe the last day or the day before the last day we could have a BBQ after a morning fishing adventure followed by a fishing finale.  Maybe have some fresh caught BBQ’d fish, ribs, hamburgers ect. Maybe someone would be willing to organize a pot or something.  Gambling pot, not smoking substance or horticulture related pot.  Something like first fish of the day, biggest fish, smallest fish, stinky award for whoever gets skunked. Anyone want to volunteer for putting together a raffle or items for the raffle? Can’t have a clave without a raffle!  Don’t make me send my henchmen out to collect! Can anyone think of anything else?  Individuals or a group are welcome to volunteer for any of these ventures. That’s all for now. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Almost forgot.  For those of you who want to rent cars here is a list of places. Rentals: Avis 1-800-831-2847 or (406) 388-6414 (at Bozeman airport)         Free unlimited mileage rates available, weekend and weekly rentals, wide variety of fine GM cars, 4×4’s and mini vans, special local rates offered. Budget Rent A Car 1-800-527-0700 or (406) 388-4091 or www.drivebudget.com (at Bozeman airport)         Prearranged customer pick-up and drop-off available, 4×4 Explorers, 4×4 Suburbans, pick ups, mini vans, 15 passenger vans and cars of all sizes, unlimited mileage rates available. Enterprise Rent-A-Car 1-800-325-8007 or (406) 586-8010         Low everyday rates, plus weekend & holiday discounts, corporate and government rates, economoy to luxury cars, wagons, 4×4’s, ski-equipped vehicles, minivans, trucks and more, free pick-up from your home, office or repair shop. Hertz 1-800-654-3131 or (406) 388-6939 or hertz.com  (at airport)         4×4’s and minivans available National Car Rental 1-800-car-rent or (406) 388-6694 or national.car.com Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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One more thing.  Just so I get my numbers straight, how many people who are still interested in attending will be wanting rooms?  How many are willing/want to share?  I have the numbers from a few months ago, but need updated numbers. I was thinking that hats and tshirts for claves have all been done.  How about sweat shirts for the western clave?  Any volunteers to head this up? Here is the list of people I have who are interested in attending.  If your name is not on the list or you want it taken off the list please let me know. Tim Walker Jeffrey Miller   Stephen Barnard (RW) Ken Fortenberry   Mike S. Medintz   Mark Anderson   Wayne Harrison William Loehman Mark Faulkner   Bruce aka Bruiser Charlie Choc John Iding   David Snedeker   Dave LaCourse   Peter Charles   Daytripper Big Dale   Indian Joe   Tom Brown Jon Cook   Darin Minor Ed Miller Some people have indicated they are bringing guests/family members.  I am not responsible for any ethics that might be crossed or morals that  will be violated, for the record.  In no way am I responsible for anything other than fun and fishing and the other details for which I have voluntarily sacrificed myself. As far as meals go I was thinking that those will be taken care of by the individual.  We can make a nightly gathering at a local restaurant or cafe for those who want to show.  Other than that you are on your own.  After dinner perhaps drinking and debauchery by the fire at the campsites. I was also thinking that on one day, maybe the last day or the day before the last day we could have a BBQ after a morning fishing adventure followed by a fishing finale.  Maybe have some fresh caught BBQ’d fish, ribs, hamburgers ect. Maybe someone would be willing to organize a pot or something.  Gambling pot, not smoking substance or horticulture related pot.  Something like first fish of the day, biggest fish, smallest fish, stinky award for whoever gets skunked. Anyone want to volunteer for putting together a raffle or items for the raffle? Can’t have a clave without a raffle!  Don’t make me send my henchmen out to collect! Can anyone think of anything else?  Individuals or a group are welcome to volunteer for any of these ventures. That’s all for now. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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  I’ve been fishing in the Florida Keys.  There is a boat called "Main Attraction" in Marathon.  Capt. Morris is the owner/operator.  Have always had good luck fishing with him.  Good guy and productive fisherman.

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Strike Zone Charters in Big Pine Key is the only one I go with.  305-872-9863

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I have a listing of guides for Monroe County/the Keys that have web pages. The list is at < http://inshore.com/f-guides.html#Monroe . You might want to visit a few of the sites for more information on trips, rates, etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m looking for a game fishing charter in the Florida Keys. Has anybody got any recomendations ?? Cheers Justin

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Hi I’m looking for a game fishing charter in the Florida Keys. Has anybody got any recomendations ?? Cheers Justin

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Hiya Justin, Check out www.met-fl.org This site has a page of links to guides in the Keys and around S. Fla. These guides are some, but not all of the best guides. Most on the list have or guided people who have IGFA records. Good luck, let us know when and how you do. Do you know Stu Cawker"Capt. Asparagus" Hi I’m looking for a game fishing charter in the Florida Keys. Has anybody got any recomendations ?? Cheers Justin

– Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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Here in ROFF I have learned the following: Trolling a fly from a float tube is not flyfishing Using a strike indicator is almost flyfishing Using more than one fly is really flyfishing Presenting dry flies upstream is the only true flyfishing Eating trout is OK (and tasty) Eating trout is not OK, but perch taste better anyway Tailwaters are bad Tailwaters are fabulous Tim is a funny guy Ralph really likes Tim Many people want to flyfish Colorado needs hatcheries Hatcheries ultimately hurt anadromous species It ain’t the way it used to be And I agree with all of these things……. JE

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Here in ROFF I have learned the following: Tim is a funny guy Ralph really likes Tim

like him? I absolutley adore the big neurotic lug! Ralph H remove "take_this_out" for email reply

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Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks

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Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks

a very nice spot, but not the greatest fishing. at least for me. so…..it might be good and i suck??  last i was there the rainbows were very small. caught a few casting small mepps spinners from shore and from the boat. some guys swear by the old "ford fender" gang troll and a wedding band spinner with a worm. no luck myself, but saw a couple taken. i coudn’t raise a thing with the fly rod. others that tried had the same results. this was last year so things may have picked up a bit. no matter what, it’s a very pretty spot to go. by the way…if you do have good fishing, please post on what was working! thanks,b.

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Ben, You must have had bad luck! I’ve been on the lake four times, three times for stays of 5 days or more. For me, the fishing was always fantastic!!!  This is a canoe only lake, with a 2.5 km portage in.  For this reason, there is less fishing pressure on Murtle than you would find on lakes with easy car access.  I’ve pulled trout out of the lake up to five lbs with 2-3 lbs being the average.  I’ve fished it standing in the water casting in shallows, float tubing and trolling from the canoe and never been skunked.  On one trip I spoke with a park rangers who said some slob had pulled out a 14 pounder out of the north arm of the lake! The lake has two arms: north and west.  I’ve never been up the north arm but I understand that it has much less traffic than the west but the weather isn’t quite as good as it is on the west arm.  The west arm has better camping spots and BETTER FISHING.  There is a river that flows into the west arm (the name escapes me now) that is a used by the kokanee in the late summer to spawn.  I’ve fished the outlet of the river and had some of the best fishing days of my life. On one trip in early  September, I caught three fish in four casts.  All of them were 12-16 inches. The west arm empties into the Murtle River which has some great dry fly fishing all along it.  Though the further down the river you go from the lake the smaller the fish get. This lake is a fishing heaven that has some fantastic dry fly action if your in the right place at the right time.  My best luck has been with black leeches, big dragon fly nymphs and Doc Spratleys.  Take lots of these if your a fly fisherman.  For drys take lots of Adams, dark dun Elk Wing Caddis and a variety of other western drys. Good Luck, Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks a very nice spot, but not the greatest fishing. at least for me. so…..it might be good and i suck??  last i was there the rainbows were very small. caught a few casting small mepps spinners from shore and from the boat. some guys swear by the old "ford fender" gang troll and a wedding band spinner with a worm. no luck myself, but saw a couple taken. i coudn’t raise a thing with the fly rod. others that tried had the same results. this was last year so things may have picked up a bit. no matter what, it’s a very pretty spot to go. by the way…if you do have good fishing, please post on what was working! thanks,b.

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 going to the hiawasse Nov 1 for the weekend and would like some info on what to tie up and how the fishing is this time of year? please e mail me thank you, Kent K. Anderson

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 going to the hiawasse

Are you asking about the Hiwassee in southeastern Tennessee? If so, maybe I can give you some info. Dave — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides page http://www.olfart.com

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 going to the hiawasse Nov 1 for the weekend and would like some info on what to tie up and how the fishing is this time of year? please e mail me thank you, Kent K. Anderson

Kent: You might find something on LJ Decuir’s page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html —Rich

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Anyone know where i can download a fly fishing or trout screen saver for free? thanks grant

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kauffman streamborn web site – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know where i can download a fly fishing or trout screen saver for free? thanks grant

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I’ll keep this short & sweet.   We’re just learning to fly fish. We’d like to go somewhere and practice our casting and line handling skills in moving water in mid-May. We’d prefer not to need waders.  We’d prefer not to drive too far from the Bay Area. It’s not crucial that we actually Catch Fish, but it would be more fun if we thought we had at least some tiny chance of doing so. I thought about the American R. in Sacramento, but don’t know the shoreline. Is it possible to fish w/o waders?  Are there some clear, non-brushy areas where we won’t get too many snags on the back cast? I’d prefer not to go to the Russian R., because we drive north on 101 several times a year for wine tasting etc., and we’re just getting a little bored with it. I know a nice wide open gravel-banked stretch of the McCloud river, but that’s a pretty hefty drive. Any advice, tips, etc? Thanks Mark

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We’d like to go somewhere and practice our casting and line handling skills in moving water in mid-May.

Mark, The water’s not moving, and you surely won’t catch fish, but a good place to practice casting is at the casting pools in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. There are generally plenty of expert casters hanging around the pools who are willing to offer casting advice to beginners. It doesn’t take the place of actually being astream, but it’s quite convenient… Fred —         Fred L. Templin

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(Mark Hurwitz) writes: I’d prefer not to go to the Russian R., because we drive north on 101 several times a year for wine tasting etc., and we’re just getting a little bored with it

Weelll, isn’t that special?:) I’m so happy Mark and his friend are adding flyfishing to their collectoin of really cool things to do. I don’t suppose Mark will be arriving at streamside in a late model BMW now will he? It’s FISHING, Mark, you’re supposed to get wet, and tangled up in "brushey areas which snag the backcast".  All I can say is: good luck, and don’t leave home w/out your american express card. P. Dundon

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