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J Axelrad;  Sign me up for the raffle with a Strens fisherman’s clipper with zinger and a North Dakota water proof box.  I’m coming in Wed afternoon. Let me know if the timing is off.  Then again, I could always donate 1,000 used flies that never caught anything and never will 8}.

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Lou Teletski wrote… J Axelrad;  Sign me up for the raffle with a Strens fisherman’s clipper with zinger and a North Dakota water proof box.  I’m coming in Wed afternoon. Let me know if the timing is off.  Then again, I could always donate 1,000 used flies that never caught anything and never will 8}.

You had better send it to me rather than bring it just in case.  Wed.  might be after the Raffle.  Don’t know for sure.  But why take a chance. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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You had better send it to me rather than bring it just in case.  Wed. might be after the Raffle.  Don’t know for sure.  But why take a chance. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

Joe, I will send you a package of swap flies as well if you want to include them in your raffle. I need your snail mail addy. Frank Church Swap nazi

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Joel, I’ll be there early but leaving Wednesday morning.  No problem if not being there makes a difference on paricippating in the drawing.  My 12 hooks with chicken feathers tied on (God bless Tyson’s Chicken) will still be there to participate.  Better not un-zip the baggy until outdoors and downwind from anyone of the few who may have taken a shower that week. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You had better send it to me rather than bring it just in case.  Wed.  might be after the Raffle.  Don’t know for sure.  But why take a chance. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Raffle rules again… All those giving a prize will get one even if you don’t attend the clave. All those attending bring your prize with you but let me know what it is beforehand if you would. All those not attending and those who think they will depart before the raffle or arrive after the raffle send your prize to me.    Joel Axelrad    Uniform Graining Corp.    2120 W, Lake Street    Chicago, IL 60612     And lastly, I don’t know which nite, for sure, the raffle will be held.  The Clavemeister has not spoken!   Tom, we wait your decision.  Tues.? Wed.?  Let us know. Watch this space for the answer. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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And lastly, I don’t know which nite, for sure, the raffle will be held. The Clavemeister has not spoken!   Tom, we wait your decision.  Tues.? Wed.?  Let us know.

Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote. Joe F.

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Joe writes: Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote.

Don’t forget the torches! Dave

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Joe F. wrote… Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote.

If you promise to do an encore of your act I’ll vote with you. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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And lastly, I don’t know which nite, for sure, the raffle will be held. The Clavemeister has not spoken!   Tom, we wait your decision. Tues.? Wed.?  Let us know. Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote. Joe F.

Sounds good to me too Scott

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If you promise to do an encore of your act I’ll vote with you. Joel Axelrad

Well shit, I better find some glue & put the boxes back together. <g Joe F.

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Don’t forget the torches!

We got us a volunteer again Stan!   Better start practicing.  <g Joe F.

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Joe F. If you promise to do an encore of your act I’ll vote with you. Joel Axelrad Well shit, I better find some glue & put the boxes back together. <g Joe F.

I’ll bring matches and lighter fluid.  <g For the torches, the torches, not those little box thingies……d;0(

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Joe F. writes: Don’t forget the torches! We got us a volunteer again Stan!   Better start practicing.  <g

Yeah, Stan.  Practice, practice, practice.  No fishing from now until then – just practice with those torches.  You don’t mind if I face Stan instead of you, Joe. Dave practicing running and ducking and trying to remember where his asbestos bvds are

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Oh almighty rafflemiester put me down for a fly-tying book as i don’t tie yet i don’t need one maybe some flyline as someday i may tie so maybe i should keep it boy do i hate these aarp moments.Whatever day is picked will be fine with me. Handyman   Mike

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I’m with Joe.  Tuesday night! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote. Joe F.

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I’m with Joe.  Tuesday night!

Well, if you’re with me, you’ll be at a dinner with me and swmbo. Aaaaargh.   As it turns out, she had screwed up the dates she told me for that one.   Now I have committments on Sunday, Tuesday & Thursday.   It’s looking pretty f*cking unlikely I’ll get there at all now.   Giant bummer. Joe F.

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Joe fleischman wrote… Well, if you’re with me, you’ll be at a dinner with me and swmbo. Aaaaargh.   As it turns out, she had screwed up the dates she told me for that one.   Now I have committments on Sunday, Tuesday & Thursday.   It’s looking pretty f*cking unlikely I’ll get there at all now.   Giant bummer. Joe F.

You gotta come.  You gotta juggle.  You gotta fish.  You gatta be with friends. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Joel writes: You gotta come.  You gotta juggle.  You gotta fish.  You gatta be with friends.

You gotta try and hit me with the flaming torch.   Be there, Joe, be there. Dave

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I’m with Joe.  Tuesday night! Well, if you’re with me, you’ll be at a dinner with me and swmbo.

millheim inn? <g Aaaaargh.   As it turns out, she had screwed up the dates she told me for that one.   Now I have committments on Sunday, Tuesday & Thursday.   It’s looking pretty f*cking unlikely I’ll get there at all now.   Giant bummer. Joe F.

bummer indeed….. i was hopin we could wet a line together this year….. 2003? –wally

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You gotta come.  You gotta juggle.  You gotta fish.  You gatta be with friends. You gotta try and hit me with the flaming torch.   Be there, Joe, be there. Dave

If it’ll help you, Dave, I can toss a few cigars at you…  Just trying to help.

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Stan writes: If it’ll help you, Dave, I can toss a few cigars at you…  Just trying to help. If it’ll help you, Dave, I can toss a few cigars at you…  Just trying to help.

Wouldn’t be the same, Stan.

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If’n ya’ll want, I can wait till more people get there before I start the fire for the stew.  That oughta be ’nuff entertainment for the most jaded.            Frank

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bummer indeed….. i was hopin we could wet a line together this year….. 2003?

Friday’s still alive as a longshot.   SWMBO gets degree at ceremony Thurs. a.m.   Perhaps a celebratory lunch, a leisurely afternoon basking in the glow of academic success, them off to Coburn?   I dunno; I might get away with it.  :-) Joe F.

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aw hell…i heard they will deliver diplomas by mail now …if you were a real manly man, you’d try that approach and do your celebrating at the historic millheim hotel.  of course, i must admit i tried similar antics more than 20 years ago with my first spouse, and it got me a whole lotta new freedoms…freedom from my bank account, furniture, car, and marriage.  but then, i didn’t have your magical talents… <g we’ll miss you this year… hope you can find your way down to carolina again now that you have some proper footgear… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bummer indeed….. i was hopin we could wet a line together this year….. 2003? Friday’s still alive as a longshot.   SWMBO gets degree at ceremony Thurs. a.m.   Perhaps a celebratory lunch, a leisurely afternoon basking in the glow of academic success, them off to Coburn?   I dunno; I might get away with it.  :-) Joe F.

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Joe, Suggest we do a combined blowout Sunday for both the wives in collective celebration.  You keep waders in the van to bug out right after ceremonies Thursday and get back late Saturday night.  If we make a big enough deal out of Sunday, think we can make it fly(fish)?? Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Friday’s still alive as a longshot.   SWMBO gets degree at ceremony Thurs. a.m.   Perhaps a celebratory lunch, a leisurely afternoon basking in the glow of academic success, them off to Coburn?   I dunno; I might get away with it.  :-) Joe F.

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A fellow (Bill) from the local FF club writes an outdoor column for one of the newspapers around here.  He tells me that his friend (Gary) is a surf FF guide and invites me along for a trip to the beach last Saturday. A trip which is going to turn into a photo op and inspiation for an article.   I go to Gary’s web site (www.garybulla.com) and there is a recipe for a fly he suggests I tie up for our few hours in the surf.  It’s called a gremmie and it’s basically a saltwater version of a marabou crappie jig.   It looks incredibly simple but I’m not gonna argue – I tie up a couple of them along with a pair of Blanton Whistlers (www.danblanton.com) as Gary suggested and we meet up at the beach. *What are we expecting to catch?*   *Oh, Halibut.* *Halibut, this time of the year?*   *People don’t seem to realize that they can.* OK.  Ever since I moved to California I’ve been trying to get as much info as possible about the local fishing scene, epecially saltwater since I’d been landlocked for so many years.  I bought books, fishing rags, talked to guys at tackle shops, bait stores, boat landings.  Halibut are supposedly a summer fish.  They can be especially close to the beach during a grunion run.  Typically they can be found in the calmer water beyond the waves so being able to heave a 6 oz sinker with a pendulum cast on a surf stick out to the third gut would be helpful. Halibut are bottom feeders so even if you were to try to fly fish for them from a kayak out in deeper water or inside protected water like a bay, you’ll need a super fast sinking line which you will basically be dragging or jigging along the bottom.  Halibut are light biters so when fishing with bait let them eat the anchovy, give plenty of time, wait and then wait some more, use a circle hook blah blah blah. Well, last Saturday proved to be the exception to everything in the previous paragraph.  Not only did I see two halibut being caught on the beach with fast swimming flies, including one which was very easily over the legal minimum of 22 inches, I hooked and lost one at my feet.  On top of that, I saw a halibut jump about 3 feet out of the water for some mysterious reason.  It was a few yards in front of Bill so at first I though maybe he had hooked it.  But no, it was a free swimming fish.   Even more outrageous (at least to me) is that Gary caught a white sea bass.  These fish are supposed to be very rare in the inshore waters and it always makes the printed news when someone catches one off the beach.   Plus, it’s February!  On the far end of the beach were some bait fishermen who had set up long surfcasting rods. *Do those guys ever catch fish?*   *Sometimes.  But never as many as we do.* You ever stumble upon something that most everyone else seems to be unaware of?  I feel like a high school kid who knows that the geeky girl that all my friends think is a dork, is going to end up being a bombshell come reunion time. It’s been raining the past couple of days.  But i can’t wait to get back out there and start discovering more cracks in the conventional wisdom. For another surprise check out this picture of an LA bonefish: www.garybulla.com/images/surfpix/pages/surf10.htm Mu salty nuts be damned

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For another surprise check out this picture of an LA bonefish: www.garybulla.com/images/surfpix/pages/surf10.htm

That photo’s hilarious. I’ll bet that little sucker fought like a 3-lb trout. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Yeah. The best thing to do is ignore ‘em. I sometimes rise to the bait, but I feel chagrined every time I do. Problem is, it stops being a sport when the participants become polarized over anything, whether it’s bamboo or race relations.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 1. It’s a little like fishing. You don’t have to try to catch everyone you see. You don’t have to keep all you catch. You can just ignore the little guys. <<2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? 2. Now we also have Muskie to deal with.

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Lennie, if you’re at all related to the Richardson Fly Box, you might want to consider moving to another state. Let us know where you’re planning to fish and your general locale–there are for better or worse quite a few other ROFF regulars who live in NC.

I’m not familiar with the Richardson Fly Box, but we could be related. My father’s family is centered in Marion, SC and I’m told I have relatives near Charlotte. I’m a reasonably fair fly dresser, but I can scarcely meet my own demand let alone do it commercially. Besides, I tie flies to catch fish, not to look purty. –Steve (typing this from Cary, NC; headed to Watauga county tomorrow morning) P.S. and no I won’t be doing any fishing this time

Maybe if you don’t get to fish you can get in some skiing.

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Hi All, It’s been a while since I hung out here, like since late June. I have a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away?

Yeah, just post more trips reports like you did for your Montana trip. I enjoyed the pix. Willi

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Lennie, were you speaking of the Upper Creek off of Mt. Mitchell or the Upper Creek off 181 Hwy in Burke County?  I fish the Burke County Upper. Don’t recall the 10" ice.  This is a great stream. — Opie  –Psychotic Psychic to the recently deceased–

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The one in Burke County. It was OK coming in from the Johns River side, but we went out the road that takes you to Wilson Creek and that’s the one that was iced over. It was slick. Drove out in 4 wheel low  the whole way. It was beautiful, but slicker than fresh snot on a doorknob.

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I’m in Charlotte. I was thinking about heading over toward the delayed harvest area of the Tuckaseegee, but I love all the areas you’ve mentioned above. It’s starting to look like the weather could keep us home. I love to fish in the snow and I don’t mind driving in it if I’m the only car on I-40 between Statesville and the Tennessee line. I drove up to Upper Creek January of this year and it was 10" deep in hard ice, not snow. Looked like a mini-glacier. What part of Wilson Creek do you like to fish this time of year? LR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where are you located Lennie?  I’m in Lenoir and plan to fish this weekend on Upper Creek, or Lost Cove, or Wilson Creek or somewhere. — Opie  –Planning for the Past– I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back.

Lennie, if you’re at all related to the Richardson Fly Box, you might want to consider moving to another state. Let us know where you’re planning to fish and your general locale–there are for better or worse quite a few other ROFF regulars who live in NC. –Steve (typing this from Cary, NC; headed to Watauga county tomorrow morning) P.S. and no I won’t be doing any fishing this time

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<<1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 1. It’s a little like fishing. You don’t have to try to catch everyone you see. You don’t have to keep all you catch. You can just ignore the little guys. <<2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? 2. Now we also have Muskie to deal with.

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Where are you located Lennie?  I’m in Lenoir and plan to fish this weekend on Upper Creek, or Lost Cove, or Wilson Creek or somewhere. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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Hi All, It’s been a while since I hung out here, like since late June. I have a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? I use his product and it works just fine for me. As a matter of fact, I’ve got a bottle I bought in 1990 which I’ve only half used up. It’s his biased blather that I don’t care for. I still find many stimulating and useful posts in this group, so I have no plans to give up on it just yet. Thanks to all of you (you know who you are) that make this a worthwhile NG. BTW, I’ve been to Montana since the last time I visited this group, so if anybody would like to see a few pretty fish pictures, please take a look at http://home.carolina.rr.com/ellarrandfamily/photo.htm. I had the good fortune to meet some super fishermen, guides, and flyshop folk while I was there, but I’m not going to turn my post into a commercial for them. I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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You don’t need much heat at all on the finished blank, so a hair dryer just might do it. An alcohol lamp might introduce burn marks. Steam from a kettle works but takes a long, long time.

Would a miniature version of wood benders’ steam tunnel, say made of a stick of PVC, work?  It seems it could be built from stuff at Home Depot/Lowe’s and Dollar General/Walmart for 10-15.00. HTH? R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve Before heat guns didn’t they use alcohol lamps?…… blow dryer’d probly take pretty long…..john ….(3) use a heat gun to retemper and straighten each section,… Just curious Steve, how much heat do you need for this step?. Would a blow dryer be sufficient?

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PVC is a thermoplastic. If you heat it up it will deform. If you want to do something like this use steel or copper pipe. Although not all that much heat is required for straightening bamboo, a hair dryer is not usually powerful enough.  The heat guns originally mentioned are best for this purpose. They are available cheaply at DIY markets etc.  They are commonly used for stripping paint, welding plastics etc.    Try the gun on its lowest heat setting on some scrap bamboo before attempting to straighten any rods with it.  The guns produce more than sufficient heat to scorch the bamboo. The guns are also advantageous, as you can straighten a fairly small section relatively easily, and the heat is only applied to this section.  A pipe oven will of course apply heat to everything in it. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Would a miniature version of wood benders’ steam tunnel, say made of a stick of PVC, work?  It seems it could be built from stuff at Home Depot/Lowe’s and Dollar General/Walmart for 10-15.00.

Yeah, but then a heat gun is only $25.00 and has a host of other uses. –Steve

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….(3) use a heat gun to retemper and straighten each section,…

Just curious Steve, how much heat do you need for this step?.  Would a blow dryer be sufficient?

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Not certain what other info I can give, however; the guides on both tips are snake eyes and not rings. The thread wrappings are tan center with a small strip of black on either end. The hook keeper is on of those loose rings, kind of like a mini-keychain ring the tip on the longest is a simple, but common, tip, much like the tips on some production rods.  the tip on the shortest is larger, and has a reddish ring insert (plastic?), it certainly looks like something that would have gone on a spinning rod but there are snake eyes on the same tip.

This doesn’t sound like a combo to me, and it sounds "un-Japanese" for some reason…maybe the color combo? All of the snake eyes that survived are black with age and neglect.

What color are the ferrules?  Are you sure the aren’t meant to be black, i.e., are the "black" but smooth, or are they obviously "black with age"? All of the ferrules have remmenents of what appears to be a age yellowed lacquer there is a metal winding check at the top of the handle that matches smoothly into the taper of the handle that is yellowed with lacquer as well, it almost looks gold.

Again, it just sounds "un-Japanese"…. There is no writing anywhere and nothing that looks like it ever might have been the location of a decal or such.

I have some well-known maker rods (early) with no markings except for reel hardware and "turnings" on metal parts, if that helps… I didn’t expect to find the missing Sages or an abandoned Orvis etc. The value, while nice to know, isn’t going to change my intention, I’ll still throw some new snake eyes on it, spruce it up a bit and try it out. My interest in getting an old bamboo was just to have something to fool around with since I didn’t buy a blank from he who I probably shouldn’t mention or anyone else in the bamboo business (it’s way too pricey for this thrifty Main-ah)

There are no missing Sage bamboos (that was a joke), but there are rods, completed and incomplete/uncompleted, by many fine makers out there undiscovered, and I’d not tamper with it until you have a better idea of what you have. thanks for the info, if I can get my hands on a digital camera I’ll see if I can get some pics to post somplace for a fuller appraisal. Flyfish

HTH? R

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Before heat guns didn’t they use alcohol lamps?…… blow dryer’d probly take pretty long…..john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….(3) use a heat gun to retemper and straighten each section,… Just curious Steve, how much heat do you need for this step?.  Would a blow dryer be sufficient?

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I thought the alcohol lamps were for putting the tip on and getting rid of any fluff or loose ends on the wraps. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before heat guns didn’t they use alcohol lamps?…… blow dryer’d probly take pretty long…..john ….(3) use a heat gun to retemper and straighten each section,… Just curious Steve, how much heat do you need for this step?.  Would a blow dryer be sufficient?

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You don’t need much heat at all on the finished blank, so a hair dryer just might do it. An alcohol lamp might introduce burn marks. Steam from a kettle works but takes a long, long time. –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before heat guns didn’t they use alcohol lamps?…… blow dryer’d probly take pretty long…..john ….(3) use a heat gun to retemper and straighten each section,… Just curious Steve, how much heat do you need for this step?. Would a blow dryer be sufficient?

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I went out to ebay, at the suggestion of someone else, and found some similar rods, but then I found a photo of a Horrocks-Ibbotson that was a dead ringer for the reel seat and handle up through the winding check. I’m assuming that I’ve identified the rod make and will proceed with my intentions to restore it. I took a copy of the photo and have posted it here http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout/0413rod2.gif it’s a pretty small picture but it worked. my handle isn’t anywhere near as clean but this is the same thing as mine Flyfish

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The grampus rod that I had no box, just a cloth bag. It had the metal cap. The Grampus logo was a decal.

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Didn’t get a box, I did get a very worn rod bag with a hole in it. The reel seat sounds the same. Will have to check out the book. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grampus rods almost always come with a flat holding box.Noone ever throws the box away because the box is the best part of the outfit.Check out Keanes book for a possible identification.Early Granger rods had sliding metal band reel seats.The bottom of the reel held in a fixed cap on the butt of the rod.Have fun with your project rod.For what you paid for it you can’t lose. Regards,Shawn

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<Description snipped This doesn’t sound like a cheapo Japanese combo rod to me, from the colors (the ones I’ve seen are red, green, etc. "bright"), to the described workmanship, to reel seat and metal parts description and the tips.  I claim no expertise, but simply based on the desciption, I’d bet you have something on which you need to get an "eyeball" assessment.  It sounds like you may not have the Holy Grail, but you don’t have an old Dixie cup either… HTH? R

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Grampus rods almost always come with a flat holding box.Noone ever throws the box away because the box is the best part of the outfit.Check out Keanes book for a possible identification.Early Granger rods had sliding metal band reel seats.The bottom of the reel held in a fixed cap on the butt of the rod.Have fun with your project rod.For what you paid for it you can’t lose. Regards,Shawn

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Pick up the book Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook by Michael Sinclair, it will help you with restoration and identifying the rod. krombear how come it does’nt take fish twelve years to get an education

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What color are the ferrules?  Are you sure the aren’t meant to be black, i.e., are the "black" but smooth, or are they obviously "black with age"?

the ferrules are a silvery metal color, tarnished here and there but very functional. where they join the blank they are fluted and have two grooves just above the fluting as a sort of decoration. they were at one time varnished/lacquered over and have some left on, quite yellowed with age, on the part closest to the blank. there is a small dot above the grooves, away from the blank, that looks like a hole had been drilled into the ferrule and filled with solder or a small nail etc. had been driven in and then cut flush. The snake eyes are black, I assumed they had aged to that color I can also see some rust on them. the butt section has one snake eye, and appears to be missing the stripping guide, if it ever had one, I’m not certain there every was one. Where I would expect to find it, I see what may have been a decorative wrap instead, with two tans 1/4" or so from  a larger black wrap in the center. Above the hook keeper is another set of decorative wraps a small tan, 1/4" of blank, then small black, anout 1/2" of tan, with small black and finally 1/4′ of blank to another small tan wrap. The middle section has no eyes left at all, but I can see where they were. The both tips appear to be intact and each has two snake eyes  on it. On all sections halfway between each guide is a small section of tan wraps, about 4-6 turns, basically splitting the distance as the rod tapers to the tip sections. The two tip sections appear to have the same taper and the wrap mentioned above is in the same place on each, although on the shorter one it’s no longer centered, it’s just below the tip section. This lends me to believe that it in fact was broken off at some point and this larger, cruder tip is a repair. This tip in fact looks to be slightly too large for the blank at that point and there is some discoloration on the blank at the bottom of it that looks like some slight overheating when the ferrule cement was applied. While the varinish on the wraps is all shot, and the wraps are loose and rotting, the finish of the rod is still very nice. it’s not peeling or flaking away anywhere and is intact along the entire length of the blank. It also looks like some base coloration was applied along with the finish, I can see what appear to be brush marks in the color on the blank. there are some dust motes in the finish and a few small chips but overall it looks as good, if not better than my regular working 5wt graphite. Looking again at the metal winding check at the top of the handle, it’s tapered from the handle down to the blank and it has two pairs of grooves turned into it, similar to those in the ferrules. It’s finished in a varnish or lacquer that has either yellowed with age or was colored to make this piece look gold. The actual reel seat is a friction type, not threaded, and appears to be aluminum but could be something else I suppose, the butt cap actually reminds me of my strubel nickel silver. Down where the wear on the reel seat isn’t so pronounced the tarnish is reminiscent of my old hand me down silver tea set, it has that dark tarnish look to it, but if it was a silvered reel seat most of it has worn off. There are a couple of small cracks in it, one where the reel seats into the buttcap and the other on the main metal part. The friction ring might not be aluminum as I tend to doubt it would have survived given some of the other wear I see on the rod. Aluminum would tend to be fairly soft would it not? The cork is moderately pourus but was shaped with care and it very regular in shape and sizing. It’s a basic cigar shaped handle. The blank itself is almost perfectly straight, each of the tip sections have very minor ‘bends’ but I’ve seen (lately as a matter of fact) Orvis graphites that were far worse. I doubt that I’ll bother trying to straighten these out. I have some well-known maker rods (early) with no markings except for reel hardware and "turnings" on metal parts, if that helps…

Well I’ve gotta say that this rod has been more interesting to me in the day I’ve had it, than most of what  I’ve been doing lately. Thanks for all the pointers for parts etc. and I’m off to look at what rec and snakeeye have to offer. Flyfish

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Not certain what other info I can give, however; the guides on both tips are snake eyes and not rings. The thread wrappings are tan center with a small strip of black on either end. The hook keeper is on of those loose rings, kind of like a mini-keychain ring the tip on the longest is a simple, but common, tip, much like the tips on some production rods. the tip on the shortest is larger, and has a reddish ring insert (plastic?), it certainly looks like something that would have gone on a spinning rod but there are snake eyes on the same tip. All of the snake eyes that survived are black with age and neglect. All of the ferrules have remmenents of what appears to be a age yellowed lacquer there is a metal winding check at the top of the handle that matches smoothly into the taper of the handle that is yellowed with lacquer as well, it almost looks gold. There is no writing anywhere and nothing that looks like it ever might have been the location of a decal or such. I didn’t expect to find the missing Sages or an abandoned Orvis etc. The value, while nice to know, isn’t going to change my intention, I’ll still throw some new snake eyes on it, spruce it up a bit and try it out. My interest in getting an old bamboo was just to have something to fool around with since I didn’t buy a blank from he who I probably shouldn’t mention or anyone else in the bamboo business (it’s way too pricey for this thrifty Main-ah) thanks for the info, if I can get my hands on a digital camera I’ll see if I can get some pics to post somplace for a fuller appraisal. Flyfish

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My vote is go for it. Who cares about the manufacturer info if this is the first rod you’ve ever restored? For best results you’ll want to (1) remove all of the guides, (2) sand the varnish from the blank, (3) use a heat gun to retemper and straighten each section, (4) revarnish the blank and then (5) re-wrap and varnish the guides (some people do those last two steps in opposite order–either way works fine). I recommend replacing all of the guides and tiptops with black nickel Snake Brand guides–check out http://www.snakeguides.com. You’ll want to use size 00 or smaller silk thread for the wraps. Email me if you need help trying to find matching thread–otherwise any color would do–I’ll even let you borrow a spool if you’re not picky. If you want to replace the reel seat and cork, that’s a bit more difficult but can certainly be done by carefully cutting away the existing grip and using heat to break down the glue that holds the reel seat on. REC components (www.reccomponents.com) has those items at a decent price. You didn’t say how long the rod is, but I’m guessing it’s a 9-foot 7- or 8-weight rod. Probably quite heavy. Yet another option is to convert the 3-piece into a two-piece midge rod by attaching a new reel seat and small grip to the butt of the middle piece. Whether or not that configuration would cast well depends on the taper of the rod. –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I didn’t expect to find the missing Sages or an abandoned Orvis etc. The value, while nice to know, isn’t going to change my intention, I’ll still throw some new snake eyes on it, spruce it up a bit and try it out. My interest in getting an old bamboo was just to have something to fool around with since I didn’t buy a blank from he who I probably shouldn’t mention or anyone else in the bamboo business (it’s way too pricey for this thrifty Main-ah)

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I stumbled on it in a flea market. Intesting piece. 3 piece rod, with two tips (4 pieces in all). The threads are all rotten and most of the guides are missing but all the ferrules are in perfect working order. one of the tips is 3" shorter than the other, and has a fairly crude tip making me believe it was broken once. The reel seat is aluminum, and isn’t threaded but just slides down to hold the reel in place. All of the sections are pretty straight and there are no big chips or other signs of damage. no name, no writing, no nothing to identify it but for $35 I got to fulfill my wish to restore an old bamboo rod. It is my intent to restore it to immaculate condition and go forth and catch fish on it. Deciding the line weight will be interesting, any good ideas for how to proceed with that? Pointers to any web sites that might have some tips on cleaning it up etc.? thanks Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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The rod you describe sounds like one of the post-WWII Japanese import kits. The second tip was not broken.  Rather, it was an attempt to provide a spinning rod tip to go with the fly rod tip.  These rods are ubiquitous. They were of fair quality and probably not worth more than $50.00 even if it were in good condition.  Unless you just want to screw around with restoration techniques, I doubt that it is worth the time and money you’d have to put in to it in order to do a restoration. — Randall S. Davis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I stumbled on it in a flea market. Intesting piece. 3 piece rod, with two tips (4 pieces in all). The threads are all rotten and most of the guides are missing but all the ferrules are in perfect working order. one of the tips is 3" shorter than the other, and has a fairly crude tip making me believe it was broken once. The reel seat is aluminum, and isn’t threaded but just slides down to hold the reel in place. All of the sections are pretty straight and there are no big chips or other signs of damage. no name, no writing, no nothing to identify it but for $35 I got to fulfill my wish to restore an old bamboo rod. It is my intent to restore it to immaculate condition and go forth and catch fish on it. Deciding the line weight will be interesting, any good ideas for how to proceed with that? Pointers to any web sites that might have some tips on cleaning it up etc.? thanks Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Geez…….I bet you’re one of those guys that, when your friend drops by with his brand new car all excited, you pull out your consumer reports and start bashing it! Bottom line is, it is difficult at best to find a bamboo rod that does not have serious damage for as little as $35 these days.

Contraire, the man spoketh the truth and gave the original gentleman very sage advice and history…. Wayne

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I have seen a convertible bamboo rod. I found it in a dumpster. It was a Grampus, came in 4 or 5 sections, and the grip was reversable, so you could use it as a spinning rod or a fly rod. It was in excellent condition and was valued at $50 to $75. It was a pretty heavy rod. I gave it to a friend who wanted it. I’m tempted to defer to the resident "gearhead" but two tips, one 3" inches shorter, doesn’t seem to indicate a "combo" rod. Have you seen such a thing? Thanks, R  

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Geez…….I bet you’re one of those guys that, when your friend drops by with his brand new car all excited, you pull out your consumer reports and start bashing it! Bottom line is, it is difficult at best to find a bamboo rod that does not have serious damage for as little as $35 these days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rod you describe sounds like one of the post-WWII Japanese import kits. The second tip was not broken.  Rather, it was an attempt to provide a spinning rod tip to go with the fly rod tip.  These rods are ubiquitous. They were of fair quality and probably not worth more than $50.00 even if it were in good condition.  Unless you just want to screw around with restoration techniques, I doubt that it is worth the time and money you’d have to put in to it in order to do a restoration. — Randall S. Davis I stumbled on it in a flea market. Intesting piece. 3 piece rod, with two tips (4 pieces in all). The threads are all rotten and most of the guides are missing but all the ferrules are in perfect working order. one of the tips is 3" shorter than the other, and has a fairly crude tip making me believe it was broken once. The reel seat is aluminum, and isn’t threaded but just slides down to hold the reel in place. All of the sections are pretty straight and there are no big chips or other signs of damage. no name, no writing, no nothing to identify it but for $35 I got to fulfill my wish to restore an old bamboo rod. It is my intent to restore it to immaculate condition and go forth and catch fish on it. Deciding the line weight will be interesting, any good ideas for how to proceed with that? Pointers to any web sites that might have some tips on cleaning it up etc.? thanks Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Geez…….I bet you’re one of those guys that, when your friend drops by with his brand new car all excited, you pull out your consumer reports and start bashing it! Bottom line is, it is difficult at best to find a bamboo rod that does not have serious damage for as little as $35 these days.

Well, if it is such a Japanese rod, I have seen them at antique malls in new condition for around 50.00 to 75.00, HOWEVER, many old rods aren’t as readily marked as newer ones, and without further info, it would seem difficult to classify the rod described.  If the original poster would post more info, maybe ROFF could help determine exactly what it is.  Simply being bamboo does not mean good, but simply being not readily attributed by a novice to a specific maker does not mean "Japanese."  Further, I am personally aware that many experts disagree about what was or was not offered or made by many fine makers.  I would advise never dismissing a rod as "junk" or accepting a rod as "collectable" based on any unseen "guess" or even one single "eyeball" opinion. I wouldn’t think a 3" difference, with a seeming "break" would indicate a combo rod, but….? HTH? R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rod you describe sounds like one of the post-WWII Japanese import kits. The second tip was not broken.  Rather, it was an attempt to provide a spinning rod tip to go with the fly rod tip.  These rods are ubiquitous. They were of fair quality and probably not worth more than $50.00 even if it were in good condition.  Unless you just want to screw around with restoration techniques, I doubt that it is worth the time and money you’d have to put in to it in order to do a restoration. — Randall S. Davis I stumbled on it in a flea market. Intesting piece. 3 piece rod, with two tips (4 pieces in all). The threads are all rotten and most of the guides are missing but all the ferrules are in perfect working order. one of the tips is 3" shorter than the other, and has a fairly crude tip making me believe it was broken once. The reel seat is aluminum, and isn’t threaded but just slides down to hold the reel in place. All of the sections are pretty straight and there are no big chips or other signs of damage. no name, no writing, no nothing to identify it but for $35 I got to fulfill my wish to restore an old bamboo rod. It is my intent to restore it to immaculate condition and go forth and catch fish on it. Deciding the line weight will be interesting, any good ideas for how to proceed with that? Pointers to any web sites that might have some tips on cleaning it up etc.? thanks Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Geez…….I bet you’re one of those guys that, when your friend drops by with his brand new car all excited, you pull out your consumer reports and start bashing it! Bottom line is, it is difficult at best to find a bamboo rod that does not have serious damage for as little as $35 these days. Contraire, the man spoketh the truth and gave the original gentleman very sage advice and history…. Wayne

I’m tempted to defer to the resident "gearhead" but two tips, one 3" inches shorter, doesn’t seem to indicate a "combo" rod.  Have you seen such a thing? Thanks, R

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I saw one of the Japanese Combo’s once.  A fellow I worked with said his grandfather had it made for him while in Japan just after the war (1950?). His setup came with separate sections for Fly and Spinner.  The fly guides were snake, but the spinner guides were the eye-ring type, for lack of better term.  Came in a wooden case.  Still had original lures in packs marked with Japanese writing. Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez…….I bet you’re one of those guys that, when your friend drops by with his brand new car all excited, you pull out your consumer reports and start bashing it! Bottom line is, it is difficult at best to find a bamboo rod that does not have serious damage for as little as $35 these days. Well, if it is such a Japanese rod, I have seen them at antique malls in new condition for around 50.00 to 75.00, HOWEVER, many old rods aren’t as readily marked as newer ones, and without further info, it would seem difficult to classify the rod described.  If the original poster would post more info, maybe ROFF could help determine exactly what it is.  Simply being bamboo does not mean good, but simply being not readily attributed by a novice to a specific maker does not mean "Japanese."  Further, I am personally aware that many experts disagree about what was or was not offered or made by many fine makers.  I would advise never dismissing a rod as "junk" or accepting a rod as "collectable" based on any unseen "guess" or even one single "eyeball" opinion. I wouldn’t think a 3" difference, with a seeming "break" would indicate a combo rod, but….? HTH? R The rod you describe sounds like one of the post-WWII Japanese import kits. The second tip was not broken.  Rather, it was an attempt to provide a spinning rod tip to go with the fly rod tip.  These rods are ubiquitous. They were of fair quality and probably not worth more than $50.00 even if it were in good condition.  Unless you just want to screw around with restoration techniques, I doubt that it is worth the time and money you’d have to put in to it in order to do a restoration. — Randall S. Davis I stumbled on it in a flea market. Intesting piece. 3 piece rod, with two tips (4 pieces in all). The threads are all rotten and most of the guides are missing but all the ferrules are in perfect working order. one of the tips is 3" shorter than the other, and has a fairly crude tip making me believe it was broken once. The reel seat is aluminum, and isn’t threaded but just slides down to hold the reel in place. All of the sections are pretty straight and there are no big chips or other signs of damage. no name, no writing, no nothing to identify it but for $35 I got to fulfill my wish to restore an old bamboo rod. It is my intent to restore it to immaculate condition and go forth and catch fish on it. Deciding the line weight will be interesting, any good ideas for how to proceed with that? Pointers to any web sites that might have some tips on cleaning it up etc.? thanks Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. He has recently published a new book, "Troubleshooting the Cast", a paper back book which addresses 32 common casting problems. The book is well written, and the diagrams are easy to follow and uncluttered. I got my copy in the mail this last week and have been using some of his techniques to work out some kinks on a pond here in Kansas, especially I problem I have casting weighted flies. I highly recomend those of you who might have a little casting kink check it out. Your friendly gear whore and singlemaltmeister. Wayne

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How much was it and where can I get it on-line? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. He has recently published a new book, "Troubleshooting the Cast", a paper back book which addresses 32 common casting problems. The book is well written, and the diagrams are easy to follow and uncluttered. I got my copy in the mail this last week and have been using some of his techniques to work out some kinks on a pond here in Kansas, especially I problem I have casting weighted flies. I highly recomend those of you who might have a little casting kink check it out. Your friendly gear whore and singlemaltmeister. Wayne

Before you buy.

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The back cover lists the price $12.95 and I bought mine at amazon.com Wayne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How much was it and where can I get it on-line? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. He has recently published a new book, "Troubleshooting the Cast", a paper back book which addresses 32 common casting problems. The book is well written, and the diagrams are easy to follow and uncluttered. I got my copy in the mail this last week and have been using some of his techniques to work out some kinks on a pond here in Kansas, especially I problem I have casting weighted flies. I highly recomend those of you who might have a little casting kink check it out. Your friendly gear whore and singlemaltmeister. Wayne Before you buy.

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The back cover lists the price $12.95 and I bought mine at amazon.com

I just ordered one from there. My wife hates ‘one click’ ordering<g. — Charlie…

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One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski.

Hey Walt, is this available at EZFlyfish? Joe F.

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One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. Hey Walt, is this available at EZFlyfish? Joe F.

Hi Joe, It will be indirectly available later today if my damn isp will properly function. I’ve started a "collection" of recommended books available through brbg/ez in association with amazon. Here’s the link to main page: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg-3.html Here’s the link to where this title will be located (if I can make a successful upload): http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg-gen-ff.html Walt

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You guys REALLY need to get out more. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<<If you want to cast, but don’t feel like stringing up to cast in the snow of your yard.  Which has got to bad for the old flyline anyways, take a suitable length of 1/8" dowel (you can get this at the local hardware store.)  Usually about 2 to 3 feet.  Then take a length of backing, about 2x the length of your dowel, and tie it on one end. Instant fly casting gear that can be cast in your living room, without spending a whole lot of money. Sounds like the perfect thing for fishing the aquarium.

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<<If you want to cast, but don’t feel like stringing up to cast in the snow of your yard.  Which has got to bad for the old flyline anyways, take a suitable length of 1/8" dowel (you can get this at the local hardware store.)  Usually about 2 to 3 feet.  Then take a length of backing, about 2x the length of your dowel, and tie it on one end. Instant fly casting gear that can be cast in your living room, without spending a whole lot of money. Sounds like the perfect thing for fishing the aquarium.

Good idea. My guppies seem to be favoring a size 28 Adams, right now. Tim? Got any recipes?

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Sounds like the perfect thing for fishing the aquarium.

Or catfishing. For cats, that is. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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If you want to cast, but don’t feel like stringing up to cast in the snow of your yard.  Which has got to bad for the old flyline anyways, take a suitable length of 1/8" dowel (you can get this at the local hardware store.)  Usually about 2 to 3 feet.  Then take a length of backing, about 2x the length of your dowel, and tie it on one end. Instant fly casting gear that can be cast in your living room, without spending a whole lot of money.

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You might take a look at Dan Blanton’s site, Peter. They do alot of striper fishing, both from the beach and in the Sacramento Delta area. Lots of good info. I think its: www.danblanton.com Jim Nelson Blackfoot Idaho – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just acquired a 14′ St. Croix 9/10 for the Niagara and it made me think that it might be good for stripers too.  I’m going to try and jig my work schedule next year to get in some Atlantic salmon fishing with it.  If things work out, I’ll head down the Maine coast for stripers too.  Problem is, I know diddley about striper fishing. Like, should I be using floating or sinking lines?  Is the 14′ a good idea for it?  Can you have reasonable results from shore or is a boat a necessity?  What are the usual shoreline tactics?   Are there some good web sources on stripers? Thanks P.S.  If anybody is thinking about a spey rod, check out this St. Croix.  It’s tons cheaper than the others but it’s no slouch. Peter        Merry Christmas

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Like, should I be using floating or sinking lines?  Is the 14′ a good idea for it?  Can you have reasonable results from shore or is a boat a necessity?  What are the usual shoreline tactics?   Are there some good web sources on stripers?

Peter,     You are going to love striper fishing, I’ll bet.   An intermediate line works well for most fishing.   No boat necessary.   That long rod would be great for keeping your backcast up off the beach.   WAY UP off the beach.     I fish from the beach at Chatham, Cape Cod for a week or two every spring.   The stripers chase sand eels up and down the beach, and you can catch them in the surf right at your feet, literally.  Fishing is usually hot on the moving tide, and around rips, gravel beds, sand bars, and any "structure" you can find. (sometimes the "structure" along the beach can be pretty subtle.)   Night fishing is very effective, too. Nothing like having a big striper explode on a popper in the evening darkness.  The Cape also has some beautiful sand flats where you can wade out, or better, sight-cast to big stripers from a flats boat!     If you really want to find out the scoop on the techniques, take a look at "Inshore Fly Fishing" by Lou Tabory and "Fly Rodding the Coast" by Ed Mitchell.   Either of these two EXCELLENT books will tell you most all you need to know about northeast striper fishing, including where to go.     I like the "Reel-Time" website for striper info.  There isn’t a lot on technique, but there is lot of good regional fishing info in season, plus fly patterns, bulletin boards, etc.    http://www.reel-time.com/ Tight lines, Bob Scott

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Just acquired a 14′ St. Croix 9/10 for the Niagara and it made me think that it might be good for stripers too.  I’m going to try and jig my work schedule next year to get in some Atlantic salmon fishing with it.  If things work out, I’ll head down the Maine coast for stripers too.  Problem is, I know diddley about striper fishing. Like, should I be using floating or sinking lines?  Is the 14′ a good idea for it?  Can you have reasonable results from shore or is a boat a necessity?  What are the usual shoreline tactics?   Are there some good web sources on stripers? Thanks P.S.  If anybody is thinking about a spey rod, check out this St. Croix.  It’s tons cheaper than the others but it’s no slouch. Peter        Merry Christmas

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Well, you don’t really seem to get my point, Shawnie. THIS IS ALT.SUPPORT.DEPRESSION.MANIC!!! Your war against darkman, who I see as a very compassionate, caring, knowledgeable individual DOES NOT FIT IN HERE! (and yes, I know it is rude to shout. But so are you bringing this here.)

| | |Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this |group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different |feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? | |You don’t know how my cgi guestbook works. I don’t really care how your CGI guestbook works. I suggested you got a different kind of guestbook. | | Not much of a |change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track |a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. | | |not when they use an anonymizer service. No matter. You can still moderate your guestbook and remove obscene messages. I am sure you don’t have such a traffic-volume that this would be a problem. Obscene, anonymized mails could be dealth with – they are always marked with the anon-service abuse-address. I hope you take this fight to another place. It is common netiquette to post ontopic. Haakon

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know what darkman has done and does do for me and you will NEVER convince me that he is the sicko doing this to you. So just deal with it privately and leave the rest of us the HELL alone. I am sick of your posts! — Kimber "Recognize your emotional style and make it work for you."

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darkman frm hell – @38.30.246 / http:// Kill all the runts! let them all die!  Shawnie is a whore and a slut! She fucked her  counsellour then tried to kill him. Signed on: Thu Nov 19 20:59:37 EST 1998 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon | | | Click here to see what the loser is up to now |http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm | | | | | | |Take Care |congenital heart defects webring: | http://adventureangling.com/chd/webring.htm |Adventure Angling |http://adventureangling.com |y2k,chd,BP,MD and fishing book stores: |http://adventureangling.com/books/index.htm

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Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon

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What is your problem with darkman? Why do you think everyone who calls themselves Darkman are the same person? I am having SERIOUS problems right now and darkman is helping me more than anyone else around. He is hunting up info for me, he is encouraging me (not that a lot of you aren’t helping also). But make sure of your facts before attacking someone who is doing so much good. — Kimber "Recognize your emotional style and make it work for you."

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It is against the law to publicly post private e-mail and it certainly does not belong in this forum.  You are doing the same type of thing that darkman is doing to me. He is taking posts of mine on this NG that I Posted just days after getting out of the hospital and posting them to my guestbooks.  He also e-mails them to me as a form of harassment.  Yes I know it is him his e-mail program used the same reply to e-mail address that he uses here in the NG’s.  Take another look at the obscene messages he posted in my guest book that imply my daughter should be killed http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm and try to have some compassion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –             Re: Dark man is at it again         To:  References:             1 , 2 , 3 I don’t care what the hell you think The above email was received by me from editor and is in its unedited version. Catherine I agree with Tunesmith.  Darkman seems not the type to post such trash on editor’s page.  I also think ASDM is NOT the appropriate place to post such accusations about someone. Editor, take the time to track down this person through their IP number and learn who the real poster is to your page. Peace, Catherine Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon | | | Click here to see what the loser is up to now |http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm | | | | | | |Take Care |congenital heart defects webring: | http://adventureangling.com/chd/webring.htm |Adventure Angling |http://adventureangling.com |y2k,chd,BP,MD and fishing book stores: |http://adventureangling.com/books/index.htm Paint the sky with stars So our spirits have to fly. Paint the sky with stars So our spirits have to fly.

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 I’ll be in the Twin Cities for the next two weeks, and would like a few pointers on where to drop my line. I’ve got a 5/6 rig, so Northern Pike might be a little too exciting. No float tube, and I’m not bringing waders. Other than that, where to go, what to use would be helpful.

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I’ll be in the Twin Cities for the next two weeks, and would like a few pointers on where to drop my line. I’ve got a 5/6 rig, so Northern Pike might be a little too exciting. No float tube, and I’m not bringing waders. Other than that, where to go, what to use would be helpful.

Pretty much any metro-area lake will be filled with sunnies and bass. Most have excellent shore access and many have piers one can fish off of.  Bring some dry flies, a few crickets and a couple of poppers and have a great time.  There are quite a few lakes within city limits and many, many more just a short drive away.  In addition, both the St. Croix and Mississippi rivers offer top-notch smallmouth fishing, altho a boat would be helpful. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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2 hours south on hwy 52, just south of Rochester….Trout Run Creek. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I’ll be in the Twin Cities for the next two weeks, and would like a few pointers on where to drop my line. I’ve got a 5/6 rig, so Northern Pike might be a little too exciting. No float tube, and I’m not bringing waders. Other than that, where to go, what to use would be helpful.

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2 hours south on hwy 52, just south of Rochester….Trout Run Creek.

Didja have to tell everybody?  Some creeks are meant to be kept somewhat private….. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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2 hours south on hwy 52, just south of Rochester….Trout Run Creek. Didja have to tell everybody?  Some creeks are meant to be kept somewhat private…..

Your (or my) *private creek* is the *private creek* of 10,000 other guys whether we like to think it is or not.  There ain’t no private creeks anymore . . . those days are gone forever.  It’s only mentally private. Pete

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2 hours south on hwy 52, just south of Rochester….Trout Run Creek. Didja have to tell everybody?  Some creeks are meant to be kept somewhat private….. Your (or my) *private creek* is the *private creek* of 10,000 other guys whether we like to think it is or not.  There ain’t no private creeks anymore . . . those days are gone forever.  It’s only mentally private.

Sigh, I know.  Especially the area around Torkelson…..  Still an amazing amount of fish for such heavily fished waters. Actually, there are some quite lonely stretches of water down in that part of the world.  Certainly any place more than a 1/4 mile from the nearest road is going to be free of 90% of the *others*, those people similar to ourselves that we are trying to escape. Tight lines. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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Does anyone out there know of any tide charts for the Boca Paila- Ascension Bay-Espiritu Santo Bay area?  Any idea what the correction factors are for the backcountry areas when you try to use a standard tide chart/program?  Any other useful info would be appreciated too. Please send private e-mail to: Thanks Jeff

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Jeff, if you will email me, I will send you the web address of an NOAA site that gives current water temperatures, sea height, wind, etc from bouys in Port Aransas and offshore in the Gulf. To date, I have not found a tide web site, but this comes close and is useful. I just don’t have the address on me at the moment.

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Could you please send me the address of the Yucatan Tide Charts. Just back from Ascension Bay and am returning next year. Thanks. Jack

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Does anyone out there know of any tide charts for the Boca Paila- Ascension Bay-Espiritu Santo Bay area?  Any idea what the correction factors are for the backcountry areas when you try to use a standard tide chart/program?  Any other useful info would be appreciated too. Please send private e-mail to: Thanks Jeff

Jeff, I would call Frontier Travel, 800/245-1950 and ask for Bill Gering.  They are the booking agent for Boca Paila Lodge and Casa Blanca Lodge ( Ascension Bay ) and Bill is their expert on the Yucatan area. I spent nine days in November this last fall and fished the whole area through different four lodges.  If you need any fishing info you can call us at 800/4000FLY. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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