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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html I didn’t optimize it at all. If you have a dialup, it will take a while to load (it took me awhile to upload). Willi

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html I didn’t optimize it at all. If you have a dialup, it will take a while to load (it took me awhile to upload). Willi

Got ‘em all in about 5 seconds.  (you got the water, I got the link) Very low water, eh?  Interesting how that seems to affect different streams in different ways.  Fished Bronte with the asadi man and the catching sucked but the Credit with the same low water, was full of fish a couple of days earlier. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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  Very low water, eh?  Interesting how that seems to affect different   streams in different ways.  Fished Bronte with the asadi man and the   catching sucked but the Credit with the same low water, was full of   fish a couple of days earlier. All Summer, I’m sure that was the case. Maybe fishing at night would have worked. The temps were so high this Summer, the water felt warm and I was sure there were significant kills. Didn’t fish it all Summer but would periodically go for walks and never saw a fish. The cooler water of Fall brought the bugs and also the fish. Willi

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

Challenging water, Willi.  Those pics. are enough to get the pulse up a bit. Steve

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I knew that the flows were low in Colorado’s streams this year, but I was still surprised by your pictures.  How much lower is the water on your stream than during a normal October?  Nice shots though.  Here in southern California I just heard that starting on Friday approximately 90% of the National Forest land will be put off-limits until we receive *significant* rainfall.  It’s been a tough season all over. Cheers, Bill I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

    my god, that is *low* water (and slow)!  i can’t believe you can lay out line and not spook every fish in the creek.  it’s as if you fish a different world than we do… yfitons wayno

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Good pics Willi – very nice brown.  It’s amazing those fish are in such low slow water – and you’re catching them.  I guess if the river is rich enough, then the trout have no choice but to be there, and feed, no matter how low the water is.

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    I put up the pic on:     http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html             my god, that is *low* water (and slow)!  i can’t believe you can lay out   line and not spook every fish in the creek. That is the trick. That’s where the cloudy cover helps. In those situations, I can generally get close enough that I’m casting only a few feet of fly line. On sunny days the Dorber line helps. It is a four weight but is slightly thinner than a Cortland three. Although it doesn’t float as well as a Cortland, its thinner profile suits most light line situations better for me. This water has been a good teacher for me.   it’s as if you fish a different   world than we do… It’s a different world than the majority of waters in the Rockies and it’s the reason why I usually have this water to myself. Flows are at about half of normal for this time of year. Because this stretch of river has frequent drawdowns and releases for irrigation needs and for the filling of reservoirs, fluctuations are common. The fish have adapted well to frequent low water conditions. Low water flows for several years that correspond with spawning times result in fewer but bigger fish. When I first started fishing this part of the river, the population was low, but an average fish was close to 20 inches. Until this year, the past few years have had decent flows during spawning times and the population of fish is good with a variety of age classes. The fish average about four inches more than the more popular just a few miles upstream. Willi

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I put up the pic on: Good pics Willi – very nice brown.  It’s amazing those fish are in such low slow water – and you’re catching them.  I guess if the river is rich enough, then the trout have no choice but to be there, and feed, no matter how low the water is.

One of the things that this river has taught me is that many fish, often better fish, prefer to feed in shallow water, sometimes very shallow water, during a hatch or other periods of insect activity. I think that it must make for more efficient feeding. willi

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Well Ernie, that is very flattering, but before anybody gets the wrong idea, there are a great number of things about which I know little or nothing. I know a lot about fishing, simply because I was always crazy about  it, and I have spent a great deal of time either doing it, or studying it. I rather fear that my knowledge in various other spheres is severely lacking. Just as well we don

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And of course Marinaro, Sawyer, Skues, Falkus, to name but a few.. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HRBlaine: <<We determine greatness in a ball player by his stats.  How do you compile stats on a fly fisher?  What criteria could we use.< Simple enuf.  Is (s)he famous? Does (s)he fly fish? Mmmmmm, not good enough, really.  I’ve fished with a well known illustrator and he can’t fish worth a shit.  Eisenhower couldn’t catch fish in a freshly stocked stream in Maine.  Ted Williams was a great ball player who entertained himself in the off-season by fly fishing.  He also did fly fishing/sportsmen shows each spring when I was a kid.  He probably qualifies.  Names such as Wulff, Swisher, Kaufman, LaFontaine, Art Flick, Graham Marsh first come to mind.  And, of course, how can we forget the Halfordian himself, Halford. Dave L.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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come to mind.  And, of course, how can we forget the Halfordian himself, Halford. Dave L.

One of the greatest flyfishermen of all time was George Edward Mackenzie Skues. His analytical mind, the depth and thoroughness of his investigations and conclusions, and the wide front on which he applied them were breathtaking in their scope and ramifications. Compared to him Halford was a tyro and a bigot. TL MC

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Mike Connor: <<One of the greatest flyfishermen of all time was George Edward Mackenzie Skues. His analytical mind, the depth and thoroughness of his investigations and conclusions, and the wide front on which he applied them were breathtaking in their scope and ramifications. I had forgotten about him.  When reading about Halford a few years ago, someone told me about Skues, and you are correct in all aspects. Dave

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One of the greatest flyfishermen of all time was George Edward Mackenzie Skues. His analytical mind, the depth and thoroughness of his investigations and conclusions, and the wide front on which he applied them were breathtaking in their scope and ramifications. Compared to him Halford was a tyro and a bigot.

I’ve always been perplexed by attempts to identify the greatest "______" of the century, millennium, all time, etc.  In the first place, I don’t see the point. Secondly, how to choose from among all the obvious candidates given the arbitrary nature of the endeavor.  Third, and most important I believe, is the fact that we really don’t know who should even be considered as candidates.  For example, I suspect there is a very good chance that the greatest baseball player of the century is someone no one ever heard of who resided in The Dominican Republic or Cuba.  The greatest fly fisherman of the century might well be a Hungarian who never rose to public attention and who died in WWI.  The smartest person in the world is a Chinese peasant woman who never attended school; at least that is my bet for statistical reasons.  After all, I have NO other criteria by which to judge.  Even when we narrow the criteria by which we judge the "greatest whatever" to the point where the vast majority are automatically eliminated we virtually never get any great degree of consensus.  Even something as simple as "the greatest single season home run hitter in American professional baseball" is open to endless debate because the conditions under which the individual candidates played are so varied.

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After watching the Century’s Greatest Baseball Players, the thought occurred to me that it would be terrific to acknowledge the Century’s greatest flyfishers. Ted Williams would make both lists. Bob Elliott

Well, even though compiling a list of the Century’s greatest flyfishers strikes me as being almost as silly as a flyfishing tournament — turning something which is essentially non-competitive into some sort of game with winners and losers — I’d have to say that any such list would be incomplete without Bill Schaadt (sp?) and Roderick Haig-Brown (okay, he’s a gimme). So, I guess I just struck myself silly . – sid

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One of the greatest flyfishermen of all time was George Edward Mackenzie Skues. His analytical mind, the depth and thoroughness of his investigations and conclusions, and the wide front on which he applied them were breathtaking in their scope and ramifications. TL MC

Criterion is the key.  Arguements can, at least somewhat, be narrowed with their application.  Could we not say Lee Wulff for bringing fly fishing to the masses?  Like a fine steak or hardwood, it matters how you cut in relation to the grain. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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<SNIP Agreed.  But if we confine ourselves to known people then a relative judgement of their contributions is usually possible. As you say, no data is available on unknown people, and so including them in the deliberations really would be an exercise in futility. TL MC

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It occurred to me that all such deliberations are more or less arbitrary in any case. In the case of some sportsmen it is possible to base a decision on how many games they won, how many runs or hits ( or whatever ) they achieved. In many other cases this is not so. You are probably right that the whole thing is pointless, but then so is a great deal of human discussion and endeavour, so what the hell ! TL MC

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I think that we can rank the people that have contributed most to our sport, but not the "greatest" fly fishermen.  Most of a person’s ability to contribute to the sport depend on a number of factors other than skill in fly fishing.  Some of these are: the ability to write and get published, fame in areas other than fly fishing, an engaging personality, and of course money. Many of the most famous fly fishermen are not especially good anglers but are good at other things that make them famous. As Sid said, ours is not a competitive sport that is judged by results and statistics. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <SNIP Agreed.  But if we confine ourselves to known people then a relative judgement of their contributions is usually possible. As you say, no data is available on unknown people, and so including them in the deliberations really would be an exercise in futility. TL MC

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I nominate Don Bastian of Lycoming County, PA for his incredible tenacity on the water, his unparalled tying skills, his ability to take one look at a pool and to know it’s ways and feeding lanes intimately and for his legendary prowess as a nymph fisherman…  But mostly I nominate him because if he sees this, he will surely send me $20.00

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Mmmmmm, not good enough, really.<

Guess I forgot the <g.  I was inspired by Ted Williams. <g

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Wouldn’t that qualify George!  Or maybe George and TBone in a dead heat!

I think I would prefer the Estee Lauder model.< Me too. <g

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After watching the Century’s Greatest Baseball Players, the thought occurred to me that it would be terrific to acknowledge the Century’s greatest flyfishers. Ted Williams would make both lists. Bob Elliott

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After watching the Century’s Greatest Baseball Players, the thought occurred to me that it would be terrific to acknowledge the Century’s greatest flyfishers. Ted Williams would make both lists. Bob Elliott

Bob, We determine greatness in a ball player by his stats.  How do you compile stats on a fly fisher?  What criteria could we use. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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After watching the Century’s Greatest Baseball Players, the thought occurred to me that it would be terrific to acknowledge the Century’s greatest flyfishers. Ted Williams would make both lists. Bob Elliott

Why ?

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After watching the Century’s Greatest Baseball Players, the thought occurred to me that it would be terrific to acknowledge the Century’s greatest flyfishers. Ted Williams would make both lists. Bob Elliott

It was great to see Ted out there. It was equally great to see Pete Rose acknowledged for his lasting accomplishments. I was dismayed to see that jerk-off reporter "interview" Rose afterwords. What a moron that guy was. Pete, just having received the finest ovation and recognition from the Atlanta crowd is interviewed by a complete idiot. IMO, all athletes should band together and refuse to be interviewed by that jerk, effectively ending his "career". on-topic: I nominate Mark Cathey to the Century’s Greatest Flyfishers list. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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It was equally great to see Pete Rose acknowledged for his lasting accomplishments.

I thought it was disgusting that they allowed that scumball into a major league ballpark. It was a mistake to allow him on the ballot in the first place but once the fans elected him they should have played a Rose video like they did for the dead guys. Under no circumstances should a low-life like Rose have been allowed to sully the national pastime in person. Pete, just having received the finest ovation and recognition from the Atlanta crowd is interviewed by a complete idiot.

IMO the Atlanta crowd has shit for brains and Jim Gray should be in the Hall of Fame. OBROFF: I nominate Watauga Walt, inventor of the foam humpy. — Ken Fortenberry

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We determine greatness in a ball player by his stats.  How do you

compile stats on a fly fisher?  What criteria could we use.< Simple enuf.  Is (s)he famous?   Does (s)he fly fish?

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I thought it was disgusting that they allowed that scumball

into a major league ballpark. It was a mistake to allow him on the ballot in the first place but once the fans elected him they should have played a Rose video like they did for the dead guys. Under no circumstances should a low-life like Rose have been allowed to sully the national pastime in person.< Wake up alone with a hard-on this morning?

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Simple enuf.  Is (s)he famous? Does (s)he fly fish?

Wouldn’t that qualify George!  Or maybe George and TBone in a dead heat! I think I would prefer the Estee Lauder model. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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HRBlaine: <<We determine greatness in a ball player by his stats.  How do you compile stats on a fly fisher?  What criteria could we use.< Simple enuf.  Is (s)he famous?   Does (s)he fly fish? Mmmmmm, not good enough, really.  I’ve fished with a well known illustrator and he can’t fish worth a shit.  Eisenhower couldn’t catch fish in a freshly stocked stream in Maine.  Ted Williams was a great ball player who entertained himself in the off-season by fly fishing.  He also did fly fishing/sportsmen shows each spring when I was a kid.  He probably qualifies.  Names such as Wulff, Swisher, Kaufman, LaFontaine, Art Flick, Graham Marsh first come to mind.  And, of course, how can we forget the Halfordian himself, Halford. Dave L.

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IMO the Atlanta crowd has shit for brains and Jim Gray should be in the Hall of Fame.

Ken, I’m no fan of Rose. Afterall, he did "sully" the game (and worse yet, ended Fosse’s career in a home plate collision in a All Star game) as did Mays (who was on stage) and Steinbrenner (felony conviction) and countless others who have misstepped at times. However, Rose’s onfield accomplishments speak loudly for the man. How can you ignore the greatest hitter the game has ever seen? Jim Gray should be in the Hall of Shame. OBROFF: I nominate Watauga Walt, inventor of the foam humpy.

My greatness is not in tying the fly, my "greatness" is getting you to fish it without a hook to rising/striking fish on Wilson’s Creek, unquestionably a feat of excellence and a prank I wholeheartedly deny q;^) Waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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We determine greatness in a ball player by his stats.  How do you compile stats on a fly fisher?  What criteria could we use.< Simple enuf.  Is (s)he famous? Does (s)he fly fish?

Hm…..Bill Clinton is famous….Herbert Hoover was famous….Dwight Eisenhower was famous….Jimmy Carter is famous…….

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… My greatness is not in tying the fly, my "greatness" is getting you to fish it without a hook to rising/striking fish on Wilson’s Creek, unquestionably a feat of excellence and a prank I wholeheartedly deny q;^)

I’m proud to have provided you good old boys with such mirth and merriment and I must admit, as fishing pranks go, that was without a doubt one of the finest. I should have known there’d be a price to pay for being a yankee in Avery county. — Ken Fortenberry

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It was great to see Ted out there. It was equally great to see Pete Rose acknowledged for his lasting accomplishments. I was dismayed to see that jerk-off reporter "interview" Rose afterwords. What a moron that guy was. Pete, just having received the finest ovation and recognition from the Atlanta crowd is interviewed by a complete idiot. IMO, all athletes should band together and refuse to be interviewed by that jerk, effectively ending his "career".

I never liked Pete Rose.   I don’t know exactly why, but he always just irritated me.   Fortunately for me, I was an American League fan, so I saw very little of him.   Screw that "Charlie Hustle" bs.   That glorified crap ended the career of another good ballplayer (Fosse) in a meaningless exhibition game. Having put those cards on the table, I agree with Walt.   That NBC reporter was a Grade-A jerk, and Rose handled the ambush as well as a man could. They may have been good questions, but it was the wrong place and the wrong time.   A complete lack of respect for the game. Joe F.

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The fall is a great time for fishing the West. My wife and I do our annual regular 2 week car bum in Sept/Oct. Best time for avoiding crowds and in the NW in particular is argueably the best season. Suggest you read Ted Leason’s book for a rundown on the basics of year rounded fishing in the NW. Dave

Hey George, I don’t think David is any sort of traitor. Hell, I’ve bummed around a good part of Idaho for the last 15 years, kayaking and fishing in the summer. I’ve also been on this newsgroup since quite a while before you started posting here. I don’t post much now because I’m making my own bamboo rods and don’t intend to go the Bastard route, I’ve had my fill of the C&R debate so mainly I lurk now with an occasional comment. Hell man, I even have a bottle of Gink on my vest!! Watch out, I may even drop in on your facility unannounced one day! Cheers. Jon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought I’d probe you guys for a few suggestions. My wife and I are going out west in early fall to scope out some property. As part of this trip, we want to take a week for flyfishing (both are avid ff). I am looking for some suggestions as to good places to try. We have fished Montana extensively in the summer but never in the fall. We figured we could go to the Red Lodge or Bozeman area and bum around or perhaps get a guide to float the Yellowstone. Is this a good time (or even worthwhile) to float the Yellowstone (I figure around the big bend area might be best; this is one river we have never fished)? Suggestions? Our other thought is to go to Oregon. We have friends there and could combine the goals of the trip. Again, is this a decent time to go and where would you suggest? We have some free airline tickets coming up and are pretty flexible. The main thing we want to avoid is being shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of people (its OK for us to be around people, I just would prefer to avoid being in a crowd of urban maniacs going after some standard steelhead run near a metropolitan area, if you know what I mean). Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated. We are both pretty comfortable with doing exploratories and the general wilderness adventure scene. I know this request is pretty general. Its the fall season fishing that we are relatively unfamiliar with out there. Thanks for any input. Jon McAnulty

–Jon, If you have never fished the Deschutes river (Oregon) in the fall your missing one of the best rivers in the world to catch steelhead on a fly on the surface.   There will be plenty of room without many fishermen if you go in Oct.   October is when the big "B" class Idaho fish enter the river (15-25lb).   A 20lb steelhead in a fast moving river on a fly rod is a fish of a life time.   Drop me a line if you want more info. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The full title is "The Habit of Rivers," (Reflections on Trout Streams and Fly Fishing), by Ted Leeson. Its literate and then some, and a useful perspective on NW fishing. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks for the reply. Any title on that book? I suspect it is obvious but an exact title would help as I will probably have to order it. Thanks again. Jon

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The fall is a great time for fishing the West. My wife and I do our annual regular 2 week car bum in Sept/Oct. Best time for avoiding crowds and in the NW in particular is argueably the best season. Suggest you read Ted Leason’s book for a rundown on the basics of year rounded fishing in the NW. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought I’d probe you guys for a few suggestions. My wife and I are going out west in early fall to scope out some property. As part of this trip, we want to take a week for flyfishing (both are avid ff). I am looking for some suggestions as to good places to try. We have fished Montana extensively in the summer but never in the fall. We figured we could go to the Red Lodge or Bozeman area and bum around or perhaps get a guide to float the Yellowstone. Is this a good time (or even worthwhile) to float the Yellowstone (I figure around the big bend area might be best; this is one river we have never fished)? Suggestions? Our other thought is to go to Oregon. We have friends there and could combine the goals of the trip. Again, is this a decent time to go and where would you suggest? We have some free airline tickets coming up and are pretty flexible. The main thing we want to avoid is being shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of people (its OK for us to be around people, I just would prefer to avoid being in a crowd of urban maniacs going after some standard steelhead run near a metropolitan area, if you know what I mean). Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated. We are both pretty comfortable with doing exploratories and the general wilderness adventure scene. I know this request is pretty general. Its the fall season fishing that we are relatively unfamiliar with out there. Thanks for any input. Jon McAnulty

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If you know of any fly-fishing guides operating out of Caye Caulker Belize, I would appreciate hearing the reference.  Thanks for your time.  Please respond to address below. — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"  please remove "nospam" to respond

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If you know of any fly-fishing guides operating out of Caye Caulker Belize, I would appreciate hearing the reference.  Thanks for your time.  Please respond to address below. — Tim Ackerman

Tim:   I was in Belize in February  95  and fished around Placencia and Cay Caulker. I didn’t use a guide at Cay Caulker but Porfilio Guzman was recommended to me and we later met and had a drink. I liked him and kept his card intending to use him if I returned.  Porfilio’s telephone number is/was 022-2152 and rates for the guide that I did use in Placencia was $200/day.    Hope this is helpful. Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you know of any fly-fishing guides operating out of Caye Caulker Belize, I would appreciate hearing the reference.  Thanks for your time.  Please respond to address below. — Tim Ackerman Tim:   I was in Belize in February  95  and fished around Placencia and Cay Caulker. I didn’t use a guide at Cay Caulker but Porfilio Guzman was recommended to me and we later met and had a drink. I liked him and kept his card intending to use him if I returned.  Porfilio’s telephone number is/was 022-2152 and rates for the guide that I did use in Placencia was $200/day.    Hope this is helpful. Jim

Thanks for the info on Porfilio Guzman.  I was also in in Placencia in the summer of ‘95 when I used Earl Godfrey for a guide.  I found that you can fish for half the price if you have the contacts.  Were you successful in Placencia?  We did okay on large tarpon and a few bones but the Permit eluded us that trip.  I went down to Belize River Lodge last June and had a good trip; but am looking for a place ( Caye Caulker I hope) where my wife could relax and have fun while I’m fishing. Tim — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"  please remove "nospam" to respond

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 A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit? — Rick Todd                     Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.execpc.com/~rtodd/rlthome.htm Just another speck in the dustpile of the Internet.

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A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit?

Why not contact In-Fisherman directly? Regards, — Rick Todd                     Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.execpc.com/~rtodd/rlthome.htm Just another speck in the dustpile of the Internet.

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:  A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It : was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let : him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this : unit? Hmmm, sounds nice if your in clear blue water, but not sure how well that would work in the Midwestern waters. I have a scuba enclosure on my camcorder, and i once dropped it into Lake Calumet. Nothing but brown water on that tape (couldn’t see a thing). I think in most places around here (I noticed your ISP is from Milwaukee) you’d be better off with a fish finder type unit.       Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit?

It is being developed by Ron Lindner and, I think, Tony Capra.  The camera is lowered on a tether/video cable arrangement.  As far as viewing what the camera is focused on you can use either a small monitor, video recorder, or virtual reality glasses (which is what they were using=goggles). Could only be used on about a quarter of the lakes I fish … Jay — Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.                                             – Henry David Thoreau

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I don’t know if this is the same setup, but a company called "Fisheye" makes an underwater camera. You can reach them at: Fisheye PO Box 3311 Everett, WA  98203 (206) 339-1352 (800) Fish-969 http://www.fisheyeinc.com Their units start at $1445.00. If you want to go cheaper, I know where you can purchase solid state, near .1 lux cameras that are small (2" X 2") that create there own IR light source.  Just the thing for our murky waters up here in Milwaukee.  They go for around $150, but you would need to make a waterproof case for it.   I’ve heard of these being attached to the weight of a downrigger, to watch the fish coming up to the lure. I have explored all avenues of this, had have everything figured out, except the waterproof case. The goggles are simply VR goggles setup to display video images.  A friend told me of a camera he saw on In-Fisherman over the weekend. It was a unit that went into the water and the person wore "goggles" that let him see what was coming from the camera. Anyone know any specifics on this unit?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rick Todd                     Milwaukee, Wisconsin http://www.execpc.com/~rtodd/rlthome.htm Just another speck in the dustpile of the Internet.

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Sounds like fun!  Where do I order supplies? Thanks!

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Good idea Judy— I "haunt" office supplies places like Staples and Office Depot to look for clear or transluscent envelopes which are probably similar to what you are describing. Makes it so easy to find what you are working on and looks very neat stored. Since I bought my see through vinyl bag, I want to buy more! It looks so neat storing my current project and because I never work on one thing at a time—I can use a few more clear vinyl bags to store other ongoing projects as well as stash I need right away. I shall be looking at the July summer sales so I can buy more clear vinyl tote bags! I’ve noticed clear vinyl zipper cosmetic bags in different sizes too but the ones I wanted to buy had shampoos and lotions in them I didn’t want—does anyone know a source to buy these bags…empty? — Lula from Wooly Dreams Design I only like WORK when it’s attached to a NEEDLE…. http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Lula, Mine is on show as well… I have a small [I work in hand] zip lock carry thing (technical term) 24cm x 18cm. [Just dug one out... they are Transparent Data Envelopes]  The really good thing about them is that the chart of my carry along project can be placed against one side and is easy to read without removal. The only problem is that the buisness card holder isn’t quite wide enough for my bus weekly [if bought Monday they die around Thursday].

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Hi Judy I read your memo on plastic bags for needlework.  Do not leave your needlepoint in plastic bags for a very long time.  Wool needs to breathe and if it is in plastic it does not breathe.  For a short time its o.k. But not good for a long period of time; the wool will rot.  I am a needlepointer and new to AOL.  I have been on Compuserve.  I am thinking of cancelling Compuserve. EdithNYC  

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I know similar advice has been posted before, but friends, check out the fishing section of your local sporting goods store. There are all sorts of nifty little (and big) carrying cases with compartments just right for our stitching stuff. Yesterday I was looking for some fishing line to use for basting gridlines on my linen (helps count, doesn’t get caught in the stitches) and came home with a soft-sided zippered case designed for fishing supplies. It has heavyweight zip-lock style bags with sturdy adhesive tabs with holes to go on the two rings attached to the bag. The outside of the case is water repellent and has a handle. It’s perfect for carting around all of those odd fibers for my current needlepoint project. I’ll post the name brand, etc. of the one I bought if anyone is interested, but just go and see what they have in your area.

You are soooo right about the fishing department.  I got a great little box that fits in my tote bag at KMart’s department – 2 sides with compartments – now holding my sissors, needles (in small wooden cases), pen, pencil….. the modern "chatalaine"!  I also got a set of small cases that screw together for a better price than the craft "megastore" nearby.  Also, if you or DH or someone else fly fishes and ties flys – my DH is always eying my stash – he loves the many different fibers – especially some of the flashy ones.  Now, I always go along when he wants fishing stuff and he likes to come along when I go to the XS or needlepoint store… Kandy June

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I know similar advice has been posted before, but friends, check out the fishing section of your local sporting goods store.

        SNIP  I’ll post the name brand, etc. of the one I bought if anyone is interested, but just go and see what they have in your area. I’m interested — please post the info! Chris

Okay, Chris, the case I bought is called a Spinner Wrap, brand name TackleLogic, manufactured by AmSport. There are also two larger wrap cases with different names, but the same basic design. I found mine at Oshman’s here in Houston. June

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Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today! A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on top–and two long handles.

Hi Lula, Mine is on show as well… I have a small [I work in hand] zip lock carry thing (technical term) 24cm x 18cm. [Just dug one out... they are Transparent Data Envelopes]  The really good thing about them is that the chart of my carry along project can be placed against one side and is easy to read without removal. The only problem is that the buisness card holder isn’t quite wide enough for my bus weekly [if bought Monday they die around Thursday]. Judy  

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In that case, how ’bout the new bags by Ziploc?  I’m talking about the plastic bags sold specifically for veggie storage.  They’re riddled w/ holes, to allow the veggies to breathe. pj I read your memo on plastic bags for needlework.  Do not leave your needlepoint in plastic bags for a very long time.  Wool needs to breathe and if it is in plastic it does not breathe.  For a short time its o.k.

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I read your memo on plastic bags for needlework.  Do not leave your needlepoint in plastic bags for a very long time.  Wool needs to breathe and if it is in plastic it does not breathe.  For a short time its o.k. But not good for a long period of time; the wool will rot.  I am a needlepointer

Edith: What is a short time and what is a long time?   I use Ziploc bags for my works-in-progress.  I stitch my way through meetings and dropping a Ziploc into my tote is easy.   Also, the Ziplocs keep things separated in the basket at home.   I estimate a needlepoint (with wool) project is in progress for 6-8 months (depending on my enthusiasm and the number of meetings I have). Speaking of plastic, I keep all my Paternayan in Rubbermaid plastic storage boxes.  I have for about 10 years.  To my eye and nose the yarn is as fresh as it would be had it continued to live in the copier-paper boxes it had inhabited before.  (Rubbermaid is translucent, copier paper boxes aren’t, hence the change.)    Last year, temporarily, my sewing room was in the basement.   Neither yarn nor floss nor fabric (I am a quilter) suffered.    [Basement is finished and a dehumidifier runs all summer. -- I'm able to be up- stairs now and appreciate the sunlight.] Nann

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Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today! A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on top–and two long handles. I always did think it was a shame to hide all those pretty yarns and threads along with the canvas stretched on scroll bars that I happen to be working on! Now I can be a show off for the summer months when I head off on my travels again. No problem with moisture–the bag is an open tote and kept out of the sun. — Lula from Wooly Dreams Design http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/

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Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today! A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on top–and two long handles.

And are you planning on letting us know where we can get such a bag?   Hmmmm????  ;) Tara R. Scholtz         University of Maryland at College Park If training has not made a horse more beautiful, nobler in carriage, more attentive in his behavior, revealing pleasure in his own accomplishment…then he has not truly been schooled in dressage.                                 -Col. Handler

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Hi Tara– Since you’re in MD — take a ride to Laurel and the big open shopping center on RT 1 — it’s a shop named Gallo a few doors from the Woolworths—this is the first time I went there–it’a place full of inexpensive clothing and accessories. There were some bigger clear vinly tote bags there too with a black quilted bottom and trim—leopard bottom and trim and gold vinyl trim one. Also other vinyl totes in see through bright colors. All the different sized bags were all priced at $10 Nice and fun way to tote around and show off the needlework you’re working on!!! — Lula from Wooly Dreams Design http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And are you planning on letting us know where we can get such a bag? Hmmmm????  ;) Tara R. Scholtz         University of Maryland at College Park

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 Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I  found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today!  A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the  plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on  top–and two long handles. TAnd are you planning on letting us know where we can get such a bag?  Hmmmm????  ;)   Well I don’t know about any one elses bags but I made mine. I was looking for a specific piece of fabric in my stash when I ran across a piece I had stitched a while back and had put back into the box of fabrics when done pending money for framing. Well I set the piece aside on the sewing table to get the the fabric I needed and when I went to pick up the stitched dragon I noticed to my amazement that the fabric I had been working a quilt with matched the color of the dragon I went out and bought another yard of that fabric and used the dragon for the front of a "tote bag" to haul my stitching projects with  Made it about 20 inches tall and about 15 inches wide with long carry straps that would allow to go over the shoulder. Used some scraps of batting and muslin to line it with for strength and added a few pockets for things like pencils (for pattern marking) and scissors and extra needles.  No pattern used just sat at the table and played with the fabric and it came out great. Scroll frame fits in well with loads of room for a small tackle box (to hold floss bobbins and scissors and extra needles) as well as a clip board with the pattern which allows me to lean it up against something to see the pattern while I stitch. Roseanne Brown Please do not add my name to any mail list unless I ask for it. —  * QMPro 1.51 * Work is for people who don’t know how to stitch.

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This sounds *wonderful*!!  Where, oh where, did you find such a treasure?!!! C’mon, share!!! Sherri

: Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I : found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today! : A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the : plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on : top–and two long handles. : I always did think it was a shame to hide all those pretty yarns and : threads along with the canvas stretched on scroll bars that I happen to : be working on! : Now I can be a show off for the summer months when I head off on my : travels again. No problem with moisture–the bag is an open tote and : kept out of the sun. : — : Lula from Wooly Dreams Design : http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/

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Hi Sherri– I posted a follow up post to Tara S on where I found my see through vinyl needlework tote bag. However, I see you are in PA so where I bought mine won’t be applicable to you. Some the best places to find different and useful odds and ends are those boutique stores one finds in many malls—-places like Claire’s Accessories. Very often you’ll find inexpensive neat little plastic cases and zippered bags that can be used for holding needlework accessories. Or go look in beach wear or accessory departments to find more see through bags in different materials. Like the almost transparent nylon mesh used for nice looking tote style bags too. I bought a black zippered tote bag of nylon mesh that I carry and show off my bigger pieces of working needlepoint—and that only cost $7. on sale! — Lula from Wooly Dreams Design http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds *wonderful*!!  Where, oh where, did you find such a treasure?!!! C’mon, share!!! Sherri : Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I : found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today! : A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the : plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on : top–and two long handles.

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For people in Canada,  Mountain Equipment Co-op (a wilderness outfitters type shop) sells bags like this.  They are see through. Since they are constructed for heavy duty work, they may be a little much for some.  If I remember correctly, they come in various sizes. Cheers, Nancy Lorraine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since I have no shame in showing off my needlepoint wherever I go, I found the ultimate show-off the needlework carrying bag today! A clear plastic see through tote bag of heavy gauge vinyl (not like the plastic handled–thin clear plastic carrying bags) with a tab lock on top–and two long handles. I always did think it was a shame to hide all those pretty yarns and threads along with the canvas stretched on scroll bars that I happen to be working on! Now I can be a show off for the summer months when I head off on my travels again. No problem with moisture–the bag is an open tote and kept out of the sun. — Lula from Wooly Dreams Design http://home.earthlink.net/~woolydream/

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I know similar advice has been posted before, but friends, check out the fishing section of your local sporting goods store. There are all sorts of nifty little (and big) carrying cases with compartments just right for our stitching stuff. Yesterday I was looking for some fishing line to use for basting gridlines on my linen (helps count, doesn’t get caught in the stitches) and came home with a soft-sided zippered case designed for fishing supplies. It has heavyweight zip-lock style bags with sturdy adhesive tabs with holes to go on the two rings attached to the bag. The outside of the case is water repellent and has a handle. It’s perfect for carting around all of those odd fibers for my current needlepoint project. I’ll post the name brand, etc. of the one I bought if anyone is interested, but just go and see what they have in your area. June

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I know similar advice has been posted before, but friends, check out the fishing section of your local sporting goods store. There are all sorts of nifty little (and big) carrying cases with compartments just right for our stitching stuff. Yesterday I was looking for some fishing line to use for basting gridlines on my linen (helps count, doesn’t get caught in the stitches) and came home with a soft-sided zippered case designed for fishing supplies. It has heavyweight zip-lock style bags with sturdy adhesive tabs with holes to go on the two rings attached to the bag. The outside of the case is water repellent and has a handle. It’s perfect for carting around all of those odd fibers for my current needlepoint project. I’ll post the name brand, etc. of the one I bought if anyone is interested, but just go and see what they have in your area.

I’m interested — please post the info! Chris

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I propose the following actions in response to SPAM showing with increasing frequency in this group:  1. Immediately after spotting SPAM, mail to the spammer a big piece of     email.         Subject matter should be the same as the one in SPAM.       The bigger the piece the better.  If you are on UNIX, keep handy a       core dump file. (Mine is 10Mb.)  At some point, spammer’s net       provider may notice heavy traffic and disk usage.  Plugs have been       pulled on people using too much of provider’s resources.  2. If spammer objects, keep sending the piece.  3. Call spammer’s provider.  4. Under NO circumstances post followups to SPAM in the group!         Any followup to SPAM is bad.  But the worst are the ones that       include the copy of the original SPAM.  Vent your splean by       writing the spammer.  Use harsh language. -AR

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I wrote earlier: I propose the following actions in response to SPAM showing with increasing frequency in this group: 1. Immediately after spotting SPAM, mail to the spammer a big piece of    email.   …

A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

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hunt them down and kill them TimW (Just kidding, SPAMMERS *DESERVE* to live in a world with spammers)

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Beat them to death with your #5 rod, and turn it in on warrantee when it breaks?   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hunt them down and kill them TimW (Just kidding, SPAMMERS *DESERVE* to live in a world with spammers)

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A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

Somebody posted a gif of a can of Spam one one of the newsgroups. I always attach that to the reply just in case they don’t get it<g. Charlie…

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Rychter) writes: A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

I’ve been sending copies of the original spam to the spammer  and to the postmaster of the system for some time now.  You’d be amazed how many of those I get back because the spammer is using a re-mailer and spamming anonymously.  You can often successfully send a complaint to the postmaster by finding the line that says "Message-ID" in the header and I’m for burning them at the steak 8^  (ok, stake if you must)                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I’m for burning them at the steak 8^  (ok, stake if you must)                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

I’m with you only if we can burn them in front of their families and other spammers. — "The true Angler is content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo

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The mission requires a boat, the Kenai is the best one to start on.  only a few minor rapids.  there is a boat rental in Anch. called Wild Alaska Rivers Co. on old seward hwy. (907-344-wild)  get a raft.  The only bummer on the trip is a lake that must be rowed across , you can also get a motor for more $.  but the trip on the skyloc lake is worth it.  Many camping possibiltiy and Bear are abundant.  A fisherman on the russian river was mauled on the butt,  lucky.  It’s the best way to avoid the crowds.   Iteleboard (Jon Y.)

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Yes, there are plenty of road accessible streams and rivers, but getting a guide is really the way to go.  Some of the rivers are quite robust and I wouldn’t want to fish them without boat access.  Also, for Kings especially, guides can quickly point out the common resting holes.   To begin, I would recommend getting the fishing regulations from the DNR and other tourist information.  These are very precise, and will point out flies only spots.Plenty of famous spots on the Kenai, but if you go for Kings it could be "combat fishing".  There are plenty of good spots off the main drag to Talkeetna…check the fishing regs for flies only locations. This can also be mobbed during the King runs.   For an absolutely fabulous car tour, drive an hour or two to Portage, put your car on the flat bed of a train to Whitier.  It goes right through the mountains…there’s no other way to get there.  Then at Whitier put the car on the fairy to Valdez (about 8 hrs.).  Fantastic views of Price William sound, glaciers, whales ect.  Spend the night at Valdez and fish the Copper River basin.  Good spots near Glenallen, without the Anchorage-based crowds (still recommedn a guide though).  From there take the dirt road to Denali, see the park, then down to fish the Talkeetna basin.  The perfect Alaska trip, and it will bring right next to some of the best fishing they have to offer.  Kings on Fly rod…WOW!  Monster rainbows…delicate char.  Lucky dog. Have a good one. Tom

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Dan:    Your query is one I have pursued for over 25 yrs.  Best suggestions:    Kenai River (if you can tolerate crowds), Deep Creek(same reservation), Anchor River (same) and a hike into Crescent Lake for greyling (float tube helpful); all above on the Kenai peninsula.  North of Anchorage try the Kepler Bradley Lakes (buy local folding maps which show lakes and raods) and further north, try lakes and streams along the Denali Hwy for wonderful greyling fishing, esp Clearwater Crk.  Local dealers at mcAfee’s fly shop and Mtn View Sprts. are helpful w/ directions. Good luck, Tom Nelson

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Hello, I’d like to go Anchorage, Alaska this summer and flyfish for any species of char, salmon, or trout without using guides or lodges.  I’d like to try to do this trip by driving from Anchorage (any distance) or taking a ferry and then wading or paddling on any streams or lakes. I’d like to camp or stay in motels.  So where and when are the best places for independent fishing, Kenai, North of Anchorage, or Kodiak, ect?  Are there any good books on the subject? Thanks in advance. Dan Janies University of Florida

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Would like to know some effective patterns for Northern Pike.  Will be fishing Gods Lake in Manatoba Canada in mid August.

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There is an excellent book on the subject that also discusses multiple patterns.  "PIKE on the FLY" by Barry Reynolds and John Berryman.  If your local fly shop doesn’t carry it Wilderness Adventures Sporting Books does carry them at $16.00.  1-800-925-3339 or P.O. Box 1410, Bozeman, M.T. 59771, that is where I got Mine.  My favorite pattern is Bunny Bug a 3/0 Mustad #34007 with a 25-pound hard mono weed guard, Black thread, tail-4" long black rabbit strip topped with a few strands of black Krystal Flash, butt-White or Yellow marabou, body-Black rabbit strip 6" long palmered to 1/4 " of the eye.  Decievers in Red/White or Black/White are also great.  I use Orvis wire leaders on the above.   The book shop above also has an  great video by Berry Reynolds that makes you want to catch a plane up to Northern Sask!  Good Luck

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Jason Chartrand here, fly-fishing for pike is the BEST (I wish to say only, but it isn’t) way to go. Some really fun flies to try are anything that floats (fur mice, poppers, etc . . . ).  Actually seeing the hit is really exciting.  But honestly, I don’t get much success this way. Nearly any concoction that you can dream up could work, but my favorite is tied like this:         1/0 (2/0) short shank salt water hook         gold tinsel ribbing, or silver         Krystal flash: yellow, green, orange, mixed together, tied in at the         head in buck tail fashion.         Heavy black thread This sounds too simple, but it works great!!  

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: Would like to know some effective patterns for Northern Pike.  

Try a RoadKill Streamer!  Thread a regular-length-hook  (of suitable size) several times through the rear end of a  4" – 8" strip of fox or rabbit fur. Then tie on a 20lb test  shock tippet, to the eye of the hook. Make an overhand knot  (with the shock tippet) around the front end of the fur,  and then make a perfection loop in the shock tippet. Put split  shot on the tippet, at the front end of the fly. That’s it,  although you can knot some Flashabou or whatever in the  overhand knot, as you make it. Other variations include  a second hook at the front, which allows lashing the  front end of the fur (with fly tying thread) to the front hook.  Smaller versions of this fly make good brown trout flies  during fall spawning. Friends of mine have used RoadKills with  good success for Pike and Smallmouth bass in Quebec.     —

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