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Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free.  So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up.  Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off.  I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles.  So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again.  I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it.  I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!!  So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip.  Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again. … You know, Peter, I really don’t think that you have to worry about too many people fishing at the Whirlpool. We’ve had this discussion before: people aren’t going to buy this story forever.  It might be a good idea to give an honest trip report next time we go down there.

Shhhh – don’t blow it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it.

I tied some old fly line to a tree one day and pulled.  I couldn’t believe how much stretch was in it.

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Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again.

ummm, just what are you fishing for in there, Peter?  Marlin?  that’s some heavy duty tackle for brook trout boy here. heehee. Eugene K.

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Hi All, I think that standard fresh water floating fly lines have a braided nylon core. Some tropical salt water lines and some real fast sinking lines have other types of cores. I think that the lines up to a #7 are built on a 20# core.  I think the lines from #8 and larger built on a 30# core. Why I think this is that I can pull 20# Dacron baking into the core of most floating fly lines with a needle for making a needle nail knot connection but I can only pull 30# into the core of a #8 and larger floating fly line to make a needle nail knot connection. Fly lines core strength gets weaker with age just like any other fishing line. – Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free.  So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up.  Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off.  I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles.  So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again.  I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it.  I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!!  So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip.  Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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ummm, just what are you fishing for in there, Peter?  Marlin?  that’s some heavy duty tackle for brook trout boy here. heehee. Eugene K.

MONSTER brook trout, I’ll have you know. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I have broke it out of water  with a single jerk of the hand…..however, that is ’shock loading’ and entirely different from it’s breaking strength, which for ropes and such is much greater than the ’shock load.’ john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody asked this question a little while ago.  I offer this story in response. Greg and I took on the Whirlpool this morning.  The Whirlpool won – again.  But the interesting bit – I was using a 300 grain Rio density compensated sinktip with a 24′ head.  It was too light for the 11 wt. Daiwa but it was all I had available.  I had lost a few flies on the bottom.  I had already learned that the 15′ 6" rod had enough backbone to snap off 13lb. test tippet as I had already lost a few flies to the bottom.  I snagged up again. I flexed the rod – nothing broke free.  So I grabbed hold on the line and started backing up, and up, and up.  Must have gone 15′ and still nothing had broken off.  I had figured I must be moving a log but no, it was the stretch in the line for when it slipped through my fingers, the recoil spun the reel so fast, I got a hell of a rap on the knuckles.  So I grabbed the spool and began backing up again.  I’m using a Marquis Salmon No. 3 and I have over 400 yards of backing on it.  I’m clamped down on the spool palming rim – it’s not turning – but the 400+ yards of backing plus fly line spun on the arbour of the spool!!!  So I clamp down on spool and line and finally cleanly broke off about four foot of the tip.  Obviously I had trapped the line under a rock. I don’t think we have any worries about a fish breaking our fly lines unless one chooses to bite through it. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Fly lines core strength gets weaker with age just like any other fishing line.

Not unlike fly fishermen. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Great story, Mu, thanks for sharing it. Bob

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I be bringing up the rear here, but nonetheless, our best wishes to all roffians for a great Thanksgiving.  It has been a fun year in here and I’m just glad to be a small part of it.  I hope by next Thanksgiving to be able to say that I finally got to meet some of you at a clave somewhere. Best wishes, Frank and Daisy Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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Thanksgiving eve, I turned in a miserable draft of my dissertation after many successive late nights, was a substitute teacher for my boss in a senior level physics course (which I totally botched since I was only half awake anyway) since he left for early vacation, then drove up north with a friend who had recently returned to town to visit his family for the holidays and a kid from Utah whose guitar playing in the back seat made for some great travel music. We got into the motel around 1 AM and the digital sign out front read -5 C.  A bit colder than we were expecting but we were going to fish.  We woke up about 1.5 hours later than we had planned but finally ended up at the stream.  Tom only recently began fly fishing and owns a 5 wt rod so I told him to bring his spinning setup.  Utah had no equipment of any kind so I lent him a spinning rod and some leaky neoprenes.  He’d be fine as long as he didn’t wade deeper than the crotch. Neither had been to this river before.  They were immediately enchanted by it.  We were hoping for steelhead, but actually found lots of salmon and saw only one steelhead scooting upstream.  Oh well, I suppose it’s going to be salmon then. I had tied on a weighted black stonefly at the car. I gave them each a homemade spinner and they were on their way.  Most of the time I scouted ahead and told them where to cast. They were pleased to be there in the presence of large fish.  Well it went on like this for a while and I could see they were not quite used to seeing the angles, as it were, and I had to tell them where to position themselves for the best possible presentation.  They got the hang of it and I was typically 10-20 yards downstream, looking for more fish while they were happy in their unsuccessful attempts to lure the chinooks to the hook.  Within an hour, it warmed up enough so that ice was no longer forming on their guides.  I wasn;t doing much fishing and my guides were ice free but there was ice on my fly line.  At first I thought it was some inexplicable crud:  maybe the putty indicator I sometimes use; maybe the line had come into contact with some sort of solvent; it was hard to tell; the ice was very thin and my fingers numb. At one point when my buds were thoroughly engrossed with a particular pod of salmon I tied on a dropper from the bend of the stonefly and attached a chartreuse bunny strip with a purple crystal chenille body.  A lone male was cruising just a short distance away and I got a solid hookup.  At first sight in the water it looked like a jack (confused immature male that somehow swam upstream a bit too early in life – sounds like someone you know?). My friends quickly caught up and were quite excited.  Tom got his first experience at netting a salmon.  We took a pic of a very handsomely colored cock fish.  It was actually a mature fish, small for a chinook, about 12 lbs.  But this is a small river which receives no fish plantings and it looked about average size among the fish we saw that day. Each of my friends at one point had a fish on but both lost them. Well, we had to head home soon after that, as Tom’s relatives like to have a mid-afternoon Thanksgiving dinner.  But it was a great way to spend Thanksgiving morning.  Later I had turkey at my pastor’s place just before hopping onto a plane to Paris where I devoured all manner of sea creatures raw and cooked.  It’s amazing how animals that eat the detritus off the ocean floor can taste so good. Mu Young Lee Ann Arbor, MI  USA

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Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? i just tie on a pink deer tail….. with a bit of scent  of course <g –ww

That just might look a little spiffy coming out of that barrel!

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Stan Gula writes: (sentimental stuff snipped, sniffff) I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again. Just remember to bring some more of that Herracarrera Annandjoe stuff.  <g

Y’all stole a Porsche from Ann and Joe?  Maybe next time, try some Herradura Anejo….I guess that’s what it was – hopefully, you’re not asking him to bring some more "cara de hereje (like) anoche"…<G. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dave

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Happy Thanksgiving to ROFF. May your lines continue to be tight and your wit continue to be sharp. — Citizen Fisherman …really making an effort to play nice…

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your fiiend in paradise wayno

i love typos <g –ww

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Same to ya Walt, and to all my roffian partners in crime, happy turkey day and let’s count our blessings. From the Church family…. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat, who not quite in the spirit of Thanksgiving, sends a big wet raspberry to Kipper the hound. )

Kipper the hound responds ARRRROOOOOO, which loosely translated means C’mon over to Illinois sometime Guts, we’ll do lunch. Happy Thanksgiving to all ROFFians from Ken, Kristine and Kipper. — Ken Fortenberry

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

Ditto!! Happy Thanksgiving to all.  May your biggest concerns all weekend be the seating charts for all your friends and family at the dinner table! Best wishes to all. Zippy Who has plenty to be thankful for but still wonders why he has had to sit at the small table with the "young ones" for 38 years in a row?

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Stan Gula writes: (sentimental stuff snipped, sniffff) I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again. Just remember to bring some more of that Herracarrera Annandjoe stuff. <g Dave

Damn, I was just drinking that crap in a mexican restaurant/bar in San Diego.  Thanks a ton for introducing me to that, Stan.   Scooter (Saving up for a new liver)

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wayno writes: yes, indeed, waldo, the same to you.    and the same to all my brothers and sisters in cyberspace. best wishes for a moist turkey, warm hearts, and long life from your fiiend in paradise wayno

yes what he said.  and go fishing if you can. dave

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Stan Gula writes:

(sentimental stuff snipped, sniffff) I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again.

Just remember to bring some more of that Herracarrera Annandjoe stuff.  <g Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend. Talk about deer hunting – just had a co-worker regal me about his ten point buck and missing a 14 when his arrow ricocheted off of a piece of unseen barbed wire.  May you have better luck. Happy turkey day to our southern neighbours – be well.

Thanks Petah!

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happy thanksgiving to all…me and the family are off to the mountains for a few days… thanx to folks on the list that helped convence me to get up to the clave in yellowstone this last summer.. i had a great time…beautiful park..nice fishing…looking foward to the upcomming year and the many fishing opportunities it may bring  …… richard / colorado

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

And same to you and the rest of ROFF. TC, R

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Same to ya Walt, and to all my roffian partners in crime, happy turkey day and let’s count our blessings. From the Church family…. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat, who not quite in the spirit of Thanksgiving, sends a big wet raspberry to Kipper the hound. )

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend.

_____  A Muddler Hollow Point. Gee Gee

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Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck?

i just tie on a pink deer tail….. with a bit of scent  of course <g –ww

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

        yes, indeed, waldo, the same to you.         and the same to all my brothers and sisters in cyberspace. best wishes for a moist turkey, warm hearts, and long life from your fiiend in paradise wayno

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… What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? i just tie on a pink deer tail….. with a bit of scent  of course <g

No wonder those waders stunk to high heaven. — Ken Fortenberry

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend.

Talk about deer hunting – just had a co-worker regal me about his ten point buck and missing a 14 when his arrow ricocheted off of a piece of unseen barbed wire.  May you have better luck. Happy turkey day to our southern neighbours – be well. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

And thanks to all the clavesters I got to meet this year: Walt, Tom Brown, Dave LaCourse, Dave Tatosian, George Adams, Frank Reid, Bob Rose, Gary McMeekin, Paul Goodwin, Tom Littleton, Handyman Mike, Scooter, Peter Charles, Mike Makela, Indian Joe, Zimbo, Jeff Miller, DavePA, JeffC, John Russell, Asadi, Natty, Vince Norris, Frank Church, Dave Price, Dave Bottom and the others whose names I’m forgetting at the moment.  Well met gentlemen, and I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again. Loosen your belts and have another slice of pie for me! –Stan

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend.

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If I were to say, "Walt?  I hope you don’t over eat on Thanksgiving," would be true. The word, "Happy," when it comes to you is a bit mute because you’re usually always happy visiting Roff.  Does one wish you a "Happier Thanksgiving?"  No.  I think a fond thought from me, to you is that your waders don’t leak on Thanksgiving Day is enough to give thanks for, that I thought of that for you and the wish came true.  How are you not to know? Wishes are as fleeting as the tides of Roff.  They come, they go. In your case I’m going to make an exception.  I hope one of these wishes sticks and if you have one left over . . . send it to Harrison. Finally, there is the infamous Tom Brown.  What can Gladys and I say except that we hope you’re not having left over Camel, Tom?  You can’t have any ham but your free to choke the turkey.  Remember the dressing goes inside the bird this year. Eat well North Carolina and give thanks the Indian Joe lusted for your daughters and not for your scalps. Take care North Carolina, George

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt — Wilson Creek Outfitters, Ezflyfish.com, Inc. 115 East Union Street; Morganton, NC 28655 http://www.ezflyfish.com

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and tight lines to all this weekend!

Eat sh errrr turkey. .  . . ~  Happy Turkey Day to you too Walt. — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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is that a worm hangin’ outta yer mouth? –walt <g

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.  . . ~ is that a worm hangin’ outta yer mouth?

Damn straight.  It’s all about the Mescal baby!  The worm is the best part because it proves that you did a good job by just getting to the bottom and are drunk enough to actually eat the worm.  Mission accomplished I’ll be fishing on Turkey Day unless my friend and I do the bachelor’s Thanksgiving thing, join forces and cook up a turkey.  Hell, we will either hunt or fish as well as cook up the turkey hopefully.  If all else fails, it is a Hungry Man Turkey Dinner and a day of fishing for me. Ahhhh yes, the virtues of bachelorhood and no family in the area.  Truly something to give thanks for while out fishing or hunting.  I am really going to enjoy the break from school too.  And if things couldn’t get any better, I have my daughter Friday through Monday and get her today too. <g — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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father/son stuff snipped, unfortunately I contacted Don Bastien and arranged a weekend of fishing on Spring Creek

story of average size Spring Creek brown trout snipped (just kidding folks) Peter:  good guy and guide (I know him),  and a tribute to the stream as well. Lot’s of us are working to keep it that way. Mark Faulkner (counting the days till the end of March……)

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My son Scott, was an avid spin fisherman but he didn’t seem really enthusiastic about taking to the fly.  His biggest problem was lack of success.  Unwittingly, I had compounded matters.  When we went fishing on a really tough bit of water, from his perspective, I seemed to be able to sniff out and take fish at will while he came up empty handed. Later on, I decided that a day in PA would be in order.  I contacted Don Bastien and arranged a weekend of fishing on Spring Creek Donny met us promptly at the Bush Hotel and after the usually introductions, we headed off for the creek.  Donny had promised to take us to some spots that usually did not attract  many other fishermen.  But when we arrived at a part of the creek lined with cottages, I had my doubts.  After suiting up and walking over to the stream bank, I could see fish rising steadily and the doubts faded. Trust the guide, trust the guide. I started off with a sulpher dry while Donny had Scott nymph a deeper run.  Gradually, his technique started to improve and he began to catch fish.  With each fish, his confidence kept rising.  Later we moved further up stream and Donny put Scott onto a 17" brown which he landed and a much bigger one that broke him off.  A flyfisherman was born. Thanks Donny Peter

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question, What was your best day fishing?   I’ll preface this by saying that it wasn’t trout and it wasn’t a flyrod. This was before I started throwing expensive clotheslines into the trees.

I’m no gear bigot, a good day fishing is a good day fishing, regardless of what type of rod you are using. Later,      - Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin current slides away, but eternity remains."     – H.D. Thoreau

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Boy this is a tough one to answer.  I have had so many wonderful days that have envoked so many great feelings. From a technical standpoint, it would have to be the day that my casting and ability to read the water all came together at once and I was able to put the fly 2 inches from the log along the bank of my favorite river on the first cast.  The wild bow came right out and nailed in textbook fashion. Big fish day would have to be the 20 pound rainbow taken up in British Columbia last summer. All in all though, I would have say that the days spent out with my 5 year old son fishing in our tiny 7 foot boat are the best.  He screams with joy when he gets a fish on his fly rod.  Good stuff to remember and I hope to spend many more years pursing trout with him.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, With all the negativity on this group as of late (I’ve done my share) I thought a positive thread might help with these winter blues so many of us seem to be experiencing.  So, I ask the question, What was your best day fishing?  

I’ll preface this by saying that it wasn’t trout and it wasn’t a flyrod. This was before I started throwing expensive clotheslines into the trees. Last summer, when I took my spinning rig to go after trout. Everybody said that my bass rig would never catch trout. Yeah, right. I like to do things just because they’re supposed to be impossible. Anyway, the weather was cloudy and dripping on and off. Not sunny enough to go out and shoot gophers, but I took my .22 with me just the same and almost dropped it in the river. I sat on the bank, popped open a beer, and tied on a 3" crankbait. One beer, a few casts, nothing. I got up, went to a bend in the river, and threw a few more casts. Hooked something. Couldn’t see what it was but it fought pretty good-about like a good-sized smallmouth or spot. I brought it in-it turned out to be my first ever rainbow. I didn’t measure it, but it looked to be about 16" standard length (snout to the base of the caudal fin). Released it. Finished my beer. Opened another one. Threw another few casts into that same slackwater at the bend. Nothing. I got up and moved upstream a little more. Started casting downstream, and caught another bow behind a huge rock. Brought it almost all the way in. Picked it up to try and unhook it and get a picture before I released it, but it broke off and ran off with one of my favorite crankbaits. Oh, well, I guess that’s the breaks of the game. Beautiful scenery and fishing with a cousin that I don’t see all that often… I think that qualifies as a pretty durn good day. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNruUi5diUzdLFqlpAQE4mwf/RrzaBPK/OPVM3Ky16dsN0ybat4VqtXjy 5RyoGBhB8+nJVxHVFgniCTqbmaKpbyGFXF80cZdhnqCV9kwP0eW7VNZvlINvuijd Myq2EHR7Phzw+9PkRFlT/E8k3OdmjAPWDZkyGMmvQcEShiKFZNCSYf6RWNFEB/m6 ud3M78qAFlY+AquSBvewbIsRzCLaxxgPf8V+INMVPFa6WtIICkbNhHt2aefq+TDm gLLyWyeDx4aV3zNoLXNnNzx6XlmFECpe3GAdQ0EXh2hJIgxkHV4xqL6XO7b9Uk7J zIM49Y2hsjkr+PAH/s0blCNncOPWB0pkoPWQPLfk4d5e48bxz+3Tcg== =Upmc —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I’m a liberal conservative. I believe in keeping things the way that  they should have been in the first place." -anon.

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Great story, Ken.  At least you didn’t show up for dinner with your clothes in disarray.

 No, that’s a story for another day.  (-: My best day?

[Wonderful story about introducing grandkids to fly-fishing snipped] It always amazes me the diversity this group has (probably the source of half our troubles).  Your grandkids are only about 10 years younger than I am.  I only hope to someday have what you have.  Savor it. Later,       – Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin current slides away, but eternity remains."     – H.D. Thoreau

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With all the negativity on this group as of late (I’ve done my share) I thought a positive thread might help with these winter blues so many of us seem to be experiencing.  So, I ask the question, What was your best day fishing?  It doesn’t have to be the time you caught the most or the biggest fish, just what was the most pleasant and enjoyable day you have spent on the water.

 <Ken’s story snipped but not unappreciated I don’t want to answer your question Ken.  I love to fish and cherish every opportunity on the water.  You might ask Michael Jordan what his highest scoring game was – that question has an answer.  Let me ask you this, what was the day that you felt you were the best possible man/lover/friend/human being in your relationship with your aforementioned   girlfriend?  Would you want to live your life or conduct your relationship in such a way so that an answer to such a question could exist?  I wouldn’t, nor would I want to fish like that either.  Not trying to pretend to be some sort of mystic, or wierdo or take on the aura of wisdom of some old guy looking back on his life with tinted lenses (I believe I am the same age as you in fact).  Just how I feel about fishin’ that’s all. Later dude, Mu Young Lee         ann arbor, mi, usa

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Great story, Ken.  At least you didn’t show up for dinner with your clothes in disarray. My best day?  I’ve had a few, but the most memorable occurred last July in Labrador.   For the past two years I have been coaching my two grandsons. They are becoming good fly fishermen and I believe the bug may stick with the oldest, Jeff.  I took Jeff with me to Labrador. His eyes were bulging when the bush pilot told him to sit in the front seat of the Beaver on our flight to the river.  When we landed, his eyes got even bigger at the sight of such virgin, untouched country.  We quickly set up our rods, and we were off with a guide in a 40 hp Honda 4 stroke.  He brought us up- river to a spot I had fished the year before.  BIG brookies were rising about 30 feet from the boat, very close to shore.  I let Jeff have the first go.  The guide, Peter, directed Jeff where to cast, and Jeff did it perfectly.  His cast was just above the rising fish and exactly in the feeding lane.  I said "Now" to myself, and a big brookie came up and snatched Jeff’s Goddard Caddis.  He set the hook and away we go!  What a trip.  Jeff performed flawlessly listening to his grandpa but paying more attention to what Peter was saying. After about a five minute fight, Peter picked up the fish with his bare hand (no net),  took the hook out and released the 6 pound brookie.  I just sat there with tears in my eyes knowing that I had passed on to my grandson a very special moment. There were more fish that day and during the week, but Jeff still talks about that first fish and how he did it.  Jeff is only 15. This year, his brother Brian, 14, will go with me to Labrador. I hope we get Peter right off the plane! Dave "Pop Pop" LaCourse PS:  Oh yeah, almost forgot.  They have a sister, Danielle who is 9. I taught her to shoot this past fall and she too wants to fly fish.  It can’t get any better than this!

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Great story Ken. I wish I had a tale to tell about flyfishing with my wife. Years ago I built her a nice 8′ x 5 wt. graphite. Taught her to cast ( she wasn’t bad). But she didn’t take to it. Oh well my loss. As far as my best fishing day…there all best. Joel Axelrad

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With all the negativity on this group as of late (I’ve done my share) I thought a positive thread might help with these winter blues so many of us seem to be experiencing.  So, I ask the question, What was your best day fishing?  It doesn’t have to be the time you caught the most or the biggest fish, just what was the most pleasant and enjoyable day you have spent on the water. I’ll start… My best day of fishing was probably late last fall.  My girlfriend and I were heading to the coast to visit her mother (no, that’s not the good part).  It was one of those beautiful fall days when the leaves are in the middle of changing colors, but it’s sunny and warm enough to not need a jacket.  We were driving along the highway through the coast mountains and she suggests that the water looks perfect for fishing and that we can be a little late (god I love her).  The water was relatively low and crystal clear, perfect dry-fly water. We pulled off the road and took the rods out of the trunk.  My trusty handmade 5 weight and "her" slow action 4 weight (it’s actully mine, but I’ve long since lost it).  We found a nice little stretch with a long slow riffle.  I gave her first choice on where to start, she chose the head of the rapids.  First cast, WHAM, a 12" cutt hits my stimulator.  I bring it to hand and smile because she’s glaring at me since she doesn’t even have her fly tied on yet. [For future reference, do not repeat these actions if you wish SO's to fish with you again] I think better about returning fishing and talk a bit waiting for her to finish.  She finally finished and we returned to fishing.  A couple more casts and I’ve got another cutt.  She’s starting to look a little down.  I tell her that they are feeding along the opposite bank just outside the faster moving water.  She suggests that maybe she’d rather fish at the tail end of the rapids instead, to which I happily agree.  Some time passes with no action when I get another cutt.  Now I know I’m in trouble, so I quickly release the fish, take apart my rod and head over to her.  She, thinking that I’m wanting to leave, starts to take apart her rod. I tell her, no, I’m done fishing, you just keep right ahead.  We talked about everything and nothing much at all, I made little suggestions on how she might improve her drift, but mostly we just enjoyed the time.  She forgot all about "trying" to catch a fish, and just fished.  Trying to make the fly drop softly onto the water, trying not to introduce drag, and that’s when it happened. A silver flash and then the sound of her reel’s drag.  It was beautiful (not the fish) and I wish to this day that I had had a camera.  After a bit of a fight, she brought in a NICE 15-16" cutt.  Had we not been heading to her mother’s we would most certainly have brought him home for supper.  Oh yeah, we arrived at her mother’s house dirty and sweaty, smelling like fish and three hours late!!! All in all, probably the best day fishing I’ve ever had.  :-)      - Ken

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Try http://www.four11.com. — Walter K. Prescott  100% Disabled/Retired U.S. Army Veteran "Always treat everyone the same way you wish to be treated." http://www.atlcon.net & http://www.mirabilis.com/950276 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have the phone number / address for Tom Mann’s lures? I can’t find it anywhere, even http://www.tommann.com. Darren King — BreakPoint Outdoors Web Site: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~breakpt Hello Darren, Here’s the info you requested. Mann’s Bait Company 604 State Docks Road Eufaula, AL  36027 334-687-5716 Incidentally, there is no connection between Tom Mann and Mann’s Bait Company.  That’s why you couldn’t find any info at Tom’s site. Athough he was the founder of Mann’s Bait Company back in the 60’s, he sold his interest in the company many years ago.   Hope the info helps. Best Regards,          Trent Roberson            Rx F Fish  For Your Good Health, Fly Fish URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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Anyone have the phone number / address for Tom Mann’s lures? I can’t find it anywhere, even http://www.tommann.com. Darren King — BreakPoint Outdoors Web Site: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~breakpt

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Anyone have the phone number / address for Tom Mann’s lures? I can’t find it anywhere, even http://www.tommann.com. Darren King — BreakPoint Outdoors Web Site: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~breakpt

Hello Darren, Here’s the info you requested. Mann’s Bait Company 604 State Docks Road Eufaula, AL  36027 334-687-5716 Incidentally, there is no connection between Tom Mann and Mann’s Bait Company.  That’s why you couldn’t find any info at Tom’s site. Athough he was the founder of Mann’s Bait Company back in the 60’s, he sold his interest in the company many years ago.   Hope the info helps. Best Regards,          Trent Roberson            Rx F Fish  For Your Good Health, Fly Fish URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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 Hello fly fishing friends,     Me and my friends want to do some fly fishing in Canada (British Columbia)  The problem is we don’t know mutch about the waters overthere because  we have never been there. We are really greatfull if we received some usefull  tips about good rivers for trout, stealheads and salmon. We plan to go there in July. We can also use some tips about the best way to plan such a trip. What is the best way to travel?  We want to stay about 4 weeks and we don’t want to stay too long at one place.  (unless it’s super fishing there) Enjoying nature is also important.

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In July for salmon if you want to fish rivers head north to fish the Skeena and trib’s around Terrace BC. Trout; look into the Blackwater, Chilco/Chilcotin and Horsefly Rivers. Most in BC fish lakes for trout. Steelhead; you’re best bet will likely be the Stamp River on Vancouver Island. Best to travel by car unless you plan to fish specific places or stay at lodges then go by air Ralph H

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I’ll be in Ashville, NC in mid-October and was looking for some info about fly fishing there.  I am an experienced saltwater angler but this would be my first attempt at fly fishing for trout.  Thanks, Mike Lang Sarasota, FL

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Hunter-Banks is the place in Ashville N.C. they can set you up with everything and give you all the info you will need. Have a good time. Presg

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F I’ll be in Ashville, NC in mid-October and was looking for some info about F fly fishing there.  I am an experienced saltwater angler but this would be Well, 2 of my favorite places to fish near Ashville are Wilson Creek near Elkmont N.C. and in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. In the park I fish all over but enjoy Abrahms Creek because of its beauty, fertility, and the rose stripe on those beautiful rainbows! I will be in the Smokies next weekend!      I am sure there are some great streams nearer to Ashville, but the Ocanaluftee in the park should be less than 3 hours, maybe much less away and Elkmont is about 1.5 hours away.      Trey

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Hi I live in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur) and I would really like to go somewhere and do some fly fishing in Malaysia. The problem is that I have not been able to find anything about fly fishing here. It seems like this sport has not arrived here yet. Is there anyone out there who can help me on this. I started fly fishing in Sweden, but moved to Malaysia before I really got the hang of it. So I do need to get starting again. Also, is there a shop where I can buy stuff for tying my own flies here? Thanks for any replies /Bengt Thur

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The original remark may be humorous to a man, but not to many of the women who may be exploring fly fishing on the internet. This type of attitude and mind set on the stream or anywhere else is not always comfortable to everyone.

I dont’s intend to speak for everyone nor to make everyone comfortable.  All I know is that I only read one response (yours) that took offense at my little joke.  I know that there are quite a few women that read this group and none of them seemed to take offense at it either.  I did, however, see at least one response from a woman that takes offense that the industry seems intent on selling equipment "designed" specifically for women.  I contend that trying to turn flyfishing into a non-gender neutral sport is more damaging then my little joke could ever be.  I’d also like to believe that a sense of humor is a gender neutral attribute as well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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The original remark may be humorous to a man, but not to many of the women who may be exploring fly fishing on the internet. This type of attitude and mind set on the stream or anywhere else is not always comfortable to everyone.

Uh Oh, someone’s going to save us all from the evils of politically incorrectness.  Lighten up. Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN

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Lighten up?…NO I DON’T THINK SO….saying something like tits on the grips is not funny, it’s not mature, and it doesn’t belong here.

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Seems to be any rod that can be taken apart has a male AND a female end!

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 guess some women just, want to be "Fashion Barbie"…

I’d like to point out that women have been less than pleased with the manufacturers who have tried to make them into "Fashion Barbie."   It has to be the most negative comments I’ve hear at women’s flyfishing club meeting.  Most, being conservationists, are into greens and browns and wouldn’t be caught dead in pink or purple on a stream.

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You ought to see what has happened to the diving equipment industry. All these wild colors for wet suits, fins, masks, snorkles, tanks, regulators, knives, gauges, bc’s. You’re supposed to be color co- ordinated for the fish! An then you go down…..guess what happens to all those colors at 80 feet? Yup, unless you have a strobe flash on all that fancy equipment, it all looks the same.  :) What you are seeing in ffing equipment is the same thing except it doesn’t go away when it goes into the woods. Bees and yellow- jackets do like yellow and pink, though. :OOO– Bill Fashion plate of leftover GI olive drab equipment…..

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The original remark may be humorous to a man, but not to many of the women who may be exploring fly fishing on the internet. This type of attitude and mind set on the stream or anywhere else is not always comfortable to everyone.

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community. Good grief, are you suggesting that the "fly fishing community" is humorless? You know, now that I consider a good protion of the posts

Sexism, bigotry, and general boorishness is NOT considered humor in a public place.  This is a public forum, not the locker room.  Some humor will always be appropriate in the locker room and nowhere else.  It might serve some of you well to learn when and where such humor is appropriate. —— Mike Tucker-  The Virtual Flyshop Web: http://www.flyshop.com Phone: 970/225-6445

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The largest diameter grip I ever made on a fly rod was for a woman. The lady in question had tendonitus (sp?) in her hand and the small diameter grips on her factory made rods made it much worse. After using the rod I built her, she came back and had me replace the grips on all of her rods. Trying to generalize by gender is, IMNSHO, Bullsh*t. — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

Oh give me a break.  It was a joke, actually one I stole from George Carlin from his observation in describing a brand of womens cigarettes. I agree with the other person that mentioned that creating a flyrod for women is just a bit insulting.  Flyfishing is as a gender neutral sport as you can get and I don’t understand why people are trying to turn it into something otherwise.  Actually, I do.  Equipment manufacturers are just trying to sell more merchandise.  Women step into their waders the same way I do and can fart around on the stream as well as the next guy. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds like hype to me…a little sand paper will make the grip smaller…I can almost live with the mauve vest, and the burgandy waders, but this idea that fishing has to be *marketed* to women seems like an insult to women to me.  When Orvis says "here you go women, a flyrod just for you", they sound as if they are saying all our other rods are for men and not for you. It’s a nothing but an insulting gimmick in my mind DAMN RIGHT, Craig.. All Orvis did was put on a smaller grip..Like ALL women have little hands (like Frenchmen;)). I don’t think so!!!! If I can handle a SAGE 9′8Wt .. and 7+" of real man;).. like most REAL outdoors women can.. and have done for years…It is down right insulting! It’s like Walker says,"A cash flow runs through it". By the way, I have brown waders and a green vest, I look like a cute little tree on the stream,(stealth…it’s an Art!); not like "Barney". I guess some women just, want to be "Fashion Barbie"…

Who knows.  Maybe there will be a market for "Catskill Barbie" and "Catskill Ken". I personally want to catch fish..that’s why it’s called fishing….that’s why I’m out there, and none of my equipment has a cute little white "O" on it!! ….and NO,John F. the rods don’t have little breasts on them..the grips are still the basic "penis" shape, they have always been… Tickles, &"Bear "hugs for Charley

And as someone pointed out awhile back,  "queer" flyfishers like to hold the rod with the other hand because it feels like someone else is holding it. In flyfishing size doesn’t matter. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

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Sounds like hype to me…a little sand paper will make the grip smaller…I can almost live with the mauve vest, and the burgandy waders, but this idea that fishing has to be *marketed* to women seems like an insult to women to me.  When Orvis says "here you go women, a flyrod just for you", they sound as if they are saying all our other rods are for men and not for you. It’s a nothing but an insulting gimmick in my mind

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

Good grief, are you suggesting that the "fly fishing community" is humorless? You know, now that I consider a good protion of the posts to this group you may be right. It seems that the computerized fly fisherman spending time on this group are endowed with an excess of selfimportance and no fun whatsoever. How about we all take a giant step back and a look at the big picture. We are really just a small, insignificant piece of that picture.  Just enjoy you days astream and not make it into more than it is – fishing.

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Sounds like hype to me…a little sand paper will make the grip smaller…I can almost live with the mauve vest, and the burgandy waders, but this idea that fishing has to be *marketed* to women seems like an insult to women to me.  When Orvis says "here you go women, a flyrod just for you", they sound as if they are saying all our other rods are for men and not for you. It’s a nothing but an insulting gimmick in my mind

DAMN RIGHT, Craig.. All Orvis did was put on a smaller grip..Like ALL women have little hands (like Frenchmen;)). I don’t think so!!!! If I can handle a SAGE 9′8Wt .. and 7+" of real man;).. like most REAL outdoors women can.. and have done for years…It is down right insulting! It’s like Walker says,"A cash flow runs through it". By the way, I have brown waders and a green vest, I look like a cute little tree on the stream,(stealth…it’s an Art!); not like "Barney". I guess some women just, want to be "Fashion Barbie"…I personally want to catch fish..that’s why it’s called fishing….that’s why I’m out there, and none of my equipment has a cute little white "O" on it!! ….and NO,John F. the rods don’t have little breasts on them..the grips are still the basic "penis" shape, they have always been… Tickles, &"Bear "hugs for Charley …..N.

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.Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

First Day being a P.C. Cop in Owl Creek…Huh? Honey, if you think John’s comment was ignorant..maybe you should haul your ass over to R.O.F.F.PC ONLY!!! or R.O.F.F.H. (humorless);…  (Tim, these weren’t on your list…please add.) Some of us aren’t PC on the P.C., but don’t worry, after we die, we will burn in Hell….Remember, life’s a bitch, and 7X tippet breaks….. Tickles;) …N.  

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(PWullenweb) writes: A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.

Th only difference between the Orvis "MOM" rod and the Orvis "Trout" rod is the handle.  Both are 8 ft. 6 wt. fullflex rods made out of the same blank.  The MOM rod has a handle that has been turned down for smaller hands.   You would be best served by casting the appropriate rods for the conditions you will fish until you find one you like, and if you want a smaller handle on it, any custom rod maker can turn the handle smaller for just a few $.  Size and weight is not a problem. All three of my kids started with 8 1/2 to 9  foot rods when they were between 9 and 11 years old.                                                            Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi Pluck, The ‘womens rod’ is a silly idea. I don’t believe that a rods purpose or application changes with gender. The rods purpose is to cast a line and play a fish. Seems as silly as a ’soft periwinkle’ fishing vest. My ideas on rods are governed by the fact that I build bamboo but for trout a 7 1/2 ft 4 or 5 in a fast action is a good place to start. For smallmouth bass I woul choose an 8ft parabolic action rod for a  5/6 weight. Good fishing, A.J. Thramer

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I’m new to fly fishing and am looking to buy a rod.  A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.  I’d like to make this rod somewhat of an "all arounder", at least for the present.  Most of the time I’ll be on a small upstate NY lake, fishing from shore or in a boat for panfish, trout, as well as smallmouth and largemouth bass.  I’d like though to be able to take this rod to fish in some nearby streams.  Info on length, line weight and/or model would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Puck Wullenweber Ithaca, NY

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Pluck, Women can fly fish better then men and its not the rod!! I suggest a week vacation in July, Aug. or Sept at the Hawley MT. Ranch, where you can Fly Fish, ride horese,hike or just read a book, Its just 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park.   We do a lot of things other than fishing. Just ask!!! BBlewett

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I’m new to fly fishing and am looking to buy a rod.  A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.  I’d like to make this rod somewhat of an "all arounder", at least for the present.  Most of the time I’ll be on a small upstate NY lake, fishing from shore or in a boat for panfish, trout, as well as smallmouth and largemouth bass.  I’d like though to be able to take this rod to fish in some nearby streams.  Info on length, line weight and/or model would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Puck Wullenweber Ithaca, NY

I think lighter weight is one critical factor, the other being the size of the grip. Rods not designed for women may have grips that are larger than you are comfortable with (depending of course on whether you have large hands.) If you can find a comfortable grip you can use it – most quality rods are pretty light anyways.

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The possible difference with woman’s rods would be in the grip.  Possibly smaller than normal.  I would suspect that it is generally hype and marketing.  Try both and let me know.   For suggestions for a rod, I would suggest a 5 or 6 weight.  You are asking a lot for a rod to do all you want it to do and still be fun.   I lean towards the 5wt for the fun factor with trout and panfish.  You would have to use small poppers & deerhair bugs with the 5 wt due to the wind resistance.  Also, make sure the rod is 9′. If your starting out you’ll ask for 1 rod to do it all.  After a few years thought, you’ll own about 4 rods (trust me, I’ve been there)!

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I’m new to fly fishing and am looking to buy a rod.  A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.

<snip Hi, My recommendation would be for you to locate a reputable local dealer and cast as many rods as possible in your price range. The rod that ends up working the best for you may or may not be a women’s version. I think it’s much more important how the fly rod works than what it says on the label. I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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Pluck, Women can fly fish better then men and its not the rod!! I suggest a week vacation in July, Aug. or Sept at the Hawley MT. Ranch, where you can Fly Fish, ride horese,hike or just read a book, Its just 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park.   We do a lot of things other than fishing. Just ask!!!

Womens fly rods?  What, do they have little breasts on them or something? Just to clarify a couple of things.  The name was "Puck", not "Pluck". Since I also live in Ithaca I know that we can flyfish (a five minute walk for me to the nearest stream from my front door), ride horses (there’s a B&B place about 1000′ down the road of me that is a horse ranch), hike (across my driveway and 100′ in the other direction from the B&B are trailheads which go into a wildlife reserve, and I can read a book just about anywhere.  I’ll let you sleep on my couch for half of what your ranch charges. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I will be going to Orlando for a quick business trip in Feb. Does anyone know of any flyfishing opportunities in that area?

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Do it right…take the time to go to the Keys and do some real Bonefishing!! Orlando is for DW.!! I will be going to Orlando for a quick business trip in Feb. Does anyone know of any flyfishing opportunities in that area?  

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I will be going to Orlando for a quick business trip in Feb. Does anyone know of any flyfishing opportunities in that area?

Almost too many to mention:  Try fishing for big reds and black drum in the No Motor Zone, Banana River.  Might call Rod Smith, 407/777-2773.  He’s a good guide.  Or Warren Hinrichs, he’s the best in that area 904/268-2208.  Warren’s an ex-Orivs guide for the area. This is canoe or sail in, only.  But they catch 30 lb. redfish and equal size drum.  Beautiful area.  Or go to the West Coast and contact Tommy Locke.  Don’t have his number but any of the fly shops in Orlando would help you dig him up. Good luck, David.

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Hey all you whaco thread spinners, listen up.  Tired of all the crap floating around in this news group? Well so am I!   Lets begin the FlyTiers Corner.  It will be dedicated to those of us who are equally as enthused, maybe more, about our tying as our fishing.   It appears that a Fly Tying NG is not the answer at this time.  There should be enough interest to make FTC a success. One really great thing about the angling aspect of this sport is the willingness of most participants to share their knowledge and skills.  I find that to be more so in the tying end. Let’s give it a whack and see what happens.  Share your patterns, tips, techniques, sources (maybe) and ideas with the rest of us fanatic tyers. YOU WILL NEED TO GIVE TO RECEIVE. Hi-Vis Wing Material, Manufacturer – L&L Products – I first saw this stuff in National Feather Craft catalog several years and sent for a few bags. It is available in just about every imaginable color but I find that most of my work is with white, light dun and med. dun.  I tie hundreds of dz of parachutes and mayfly spinners per year and this material wonderful.  It is very light in weight, holds its color, has just the right stiffness, and is very visible.  Try it on a Adams Para and you will never go back to cafl body. Yippi tie one on, AuSable1

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Let’s give it a whack and see what happens.  Share your patterns, tips, techniques, sources (maybe) and ideas with the rest of us fanatic tyers. YOU WILL NEED TO GIVE TO RECEIVE.

OK. I have created a website for flytyers entitled "WWW Fly Tyer". It is not fully finished, but I feel there is enough content there to at least warrant a look. Check back as it will continue to improve from here. http://www.ns.net/~barnard Enjoy…Alan. PS – Don’t forget to sign the guestbook!   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer:   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all you whaco thread spinners, listen up.  Tired of all the crap floating around in this news group? Well so am I!   Lets begin the FlyTiers Corner.  It will be dedicated to those of us who are equally as enthused, maybe more, about our tying as our fishing.   It appears that a Fly Tying NG is not the answer at this time.  There should be enough interest to make FTC a success. One really great thing about the angling aspect of this sport is the willingness of most participants to share their knowledge and skills.  I find that to be more so in the tying end. Let’s give it a whack and see what happens.  Share your patterns, tips, techniques, sources (maybe) and ideas with the rest of us fanatic tyers. YOU WILL NEED TO GIVE TO RECEIVE. Hi-Vis Wing Material, Manufacturer – L&L Products – I first saw this stuff in National Feather Craft catalog several years and sent for a few bags. It is available in just about every imaginable color but I find that most of my work is with white, light dun and med. dun.  I tie hundreds of dz of parachutes and mayfly spinners per year and this material wonderful.  It is very light in weight, holds its color, has just the right stiffness, and is very visible.  Try it on a Adams Para and you will never go back to cafl body. Yippi tie one on, AuSable1

Shut-up, form your new group & get out Life’s a fish, then you fry…..                      …     .—.     _…                  (  _. _.-’                   ____          ~~’                       …-’