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Hi John, there is a great deal of help available on the net. A couple of these sites should be of considerable help to you with basic stuff. Most of them have specific beginners sections. If you have trouble with any of the terms etc, then just post to the group again, somebody will help you. Here are the URL
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when i lived in tx, everyone just assumed that if you had interaction with any wild animal, BAM, it was rabies time.
BAM pretty much describes the typical Texan’s wild animal interactions, doesn’t it<g. — Charlie…
Wolfgang, and others.. let me add just one more bit of info, not definitive, but what the hell quote " Since 1980, 17 of 32 cases of human rabies in the United States have been associated with bat-related virus variants. Noteworthy, only one of these patients had a definite bite history. These cases and recent findings suggest that limited or insignificant physical contact with rabid bats may cause infection, even without a clear history of animal bite. " (this from Center for diseas control and precention, http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/fact/rabies.htm ) while all told, it is a very small numer of total cases, it is a signifacnt percentage of that total. All told however, I suspect that wolfgang is correct in noting that bats wont get ya sick. and for the record, I think bats are very cool, and have had, not now but in the past, bat boxes set up in my yard. cheers, edwin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers. In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. Bats are no more likely than any other mammal to carry rabies. They also happen to be highly susceptible to the effects of the disease once they contract it. In other words, once they are infected they succumb rather quickly, thus making them less likely than other animals to pass it on. The notion that bats are high risk rabies transmitters is just another of the many unsupported myths surrounding these most useful and interesting animals.
Charlie, Almost. I believe the word you were looking for was BANG. cheers, edwin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – when i lived in tx, everyone just assumed that if you had interaction with any wild animal, BAM, it was rabies time. BAM pretty much describes the typical Texan’s wild animal interactions, doesn’t it<g. — Charlie…
Almost. I believe the word you were looking for was BANG.
Depends on the caliber<g. — Charlie…
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wolfgang, and others.. let me add just one more bit of info, not definitive, but what the hell quote " Since 1980, 17 of 32 cases of human rabies in the United States have been associated with bat-related virus variants. Noteworthy, only one of these patients had a definite bite history. These cases and recent findings suggest that limited or insignificant physical contact with rabid bats may cause infection, even without a clear history of animal bite. " (this from Center for diseas control and precention, http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/fact/rabies.htm ) while all told, it is a very small numer of total cases, it is a signifacnt percentage of that total. All told however, I suspect that wolfgang is correct in noting that bats wont get ya sick. and for the record, I think bats are very cool, and have had, not now but in the past, bat boxes set up in my yard.
Very interesting. This is the first I have ever heard about the possible transmission of rabies without a bite, and it does change the equation considerably. Despite the irrational fear and dread so many people feel for bats, I suspect that they are more frequently handled than most other wild mammals. Very few people are likely to handle a wild raccoon or skunk for example, regardless of the possibility of the animal being rabid, because of the comparatively high likelihood of being bitten. Bats, on the other hand, are typically very small and much less formidable. And, since they are frequently found in relatively large numbers in and around people’s yards, not to mention trout streams, contact must be more frequent. No reasonable person would recommend handling bats or any other wild animals unnecessarily. And, of course, when handling bats is deemed necessary (for example, when one has gotten hold of your last good hex imitation) it should be done while wearing heavy leather gloves. Nevertheless, as you pointed out, the risk is small enough that bats should not be stigmatized and persecuted as they so often are. I put up a bat box on a friend’s house about three years ago. Unfortunately, the yard is heavily shaded, and there is no good place to put a box to take advantage of early morning sunshine which, I have read, is a necessary condition for attracting the bats.
Taste good they do. I used to fish for them at night (they are very active at night), when they often come into shallower water, with diving Rapalas. Good fun. Interestingly, we used to see bats flying over our heads. I believe some call walleye yellow pike??? Walleye have to be about the most misnamed fish there is. They’re members of the perch family. Walleye fishing is like a religion in Minnesota, but I didn’t much care for them when I lived there. They don’t fight hard and you have to fish deep. Live minnows and jigs work best. They taste good, though. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.
So, what happened to the bat?
He floated off the swim deck and out into the lake a few minutes after I put him down. He was still alive as near as I could tell. Natty
ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers. In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. edwin
I appreciate your concern….I put on a pair of thick neoprene (sealz skin type) gloves before I handled him. His little mouth was going a mile a minute trying to get a bite! Natty
So, what happened to the bat? He floated off the swim deck and out into the lake a few minutes after I put him down. He was still alive as near as I could tell.
Eek! I read somewhere long ago that ALL animals can swim……but I don’t know….bats?…..emus?…..or are they still extinct?….hm….. Wolfgang
So, what happened to the bat? He floated off the swim deck and out into the lake a few minutes after I put him down. He was still alive as near as I could tell.
Bats are nothing. My fishing partner caught an albatross at Christmas Island, and I have the photo to prove it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
you have a better chance of getting rabbies from a cow
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers. In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. edwin I appreciate your concern….I put on a pair of thick neoprene (sealz skin type) gloves before I handled him. His little mouth was going a mile a minute trying to get a bite! Natty
Yeah, really, and we all know rabbies don’t eat anything that’s not kosher. you have a better chance of getting rabbies from a cow
– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.
[snipped a batty story] Natty
Natty – question. What’s a pickerel? In the Great White North, we call walleye, pickerel. Is this a pike in your part of the world? Peter
Natty – question. What’s a pickerel? In the Great White North, we call walleye, pickerel. Is this a pike in your part of the world?
Yes, pickerel are a member of the pike family though plain pickerel are usually smaller than walleye. There are a few types but the one I most commonly run into is just a plain pickerel or sometimes referred to as a grass pickerel (not to be confused with a chain pickerel which is much larger and a highly sought after game fish). They have rounded, elongated bodies with a kind of flat, duck billed head/mouth. They are sort of greenish in color with dark brown/black thick vertical stripes that stretch from the top of their backs to about 2/3 down to the belly. Oh yea, don’t mess with the teeth. They are like daggers and can leave a permanent scar (told from experience). They are a fun fish to catch, very strong and fast swimmers though not at all acrobatic. Once hooked they mostly try to go deep or straight away… I’ve never seen one jump. For more of a textbook type description check out http://members.tripod.com/~huntingfishing/grasspickerel.htm I don’t know what family of fish walleye are in (or if they are related to the pike or pickerel. That’s pretty interesting though that walleye are called pickerel in your neck of the woods. I’m gong to do some research..you’ve peaked my interest. Natty
forgot – many years ago I caught a big northern while trolling and it did a tail walk right in front of an old couple sitting in a row boat, worm dunking for perch. Shocked the hell out of ‘em. They’re not shy about leaving the water, here.
Boy would I love to hook a nice northern! That must have been some show that fish gave those folks. Last year while on a hunting trip near Shefferville I passed on a chance to go out with one of the local natives and a few others for northerns. I was having so much fun catching speckled trout (thats what the camp cook called them) out of a canoe in the lake right in camp that I didn’t want to leave. After two more days of catching and releasing about 100 of these beatiful little trout I wish I had gone out for a chance at the big guys. Don’t know why I’ve never seen a pickerel jump. Maybe the way I played them or maybe that’s just a difference between the pickerel and their bigger cousing the northerns. I have seen shows and pictures with northerns doing the tail walk, just never been lucky enough to have a pickerel do one for me. Natty
A friend invited me out on his boat for a nighttime fishing outing specifically to land walleye. His boat, a beautiful 18 footer, is docked at a nearby lake which is the largest lake in the state. Years ago the state decided to stock walleye and tiger muskies to add to the pickerel, channel cats, bass and other abundant species of game fish in the hopes of creating a world class trophy lake….they’ve succeeded to a degree. We set out just after dark, despite a sporadic misty rain. The water was like glass and it was quite warm and as a result, the pvc rain suit was a bit uncomfortable. My friend had a ready supply of herring for bait which had been working for him the last few weeks. I was eager to try out the new Okuma 5/6 disc drag on my old Fenwick 6 wt. in a setting that was completely unchartered for me. Thanks to Walt, I also had some very nice streamers which are quite convincing herring imitations and a few clousers in varying colors and sizes. Another first for me was the addition of a 4ft, lead core braided sink tip added onto my WF-F6 line. I anticipated quite a different casting experience between the sink tip and the heavy streamer….chuck and duck! We got to our spot, the mist had stopped and my rig was all ready to fish. A few false casts to get some line out and MAN, this was different! That darn sink tip was really loading the rod and it made the streamers feel even heavier than they were. After a minute or two of fooling around with the casting stroke and timing, I had it down well enough to be functional. My friend had his two poles already in rod holders with the baitfish doing their jobs well under the surface. He was now engaged in lighting a cigar and tending to the cooler full of ale. I on the other hand, was working the streamer and dealing with the sink tip during the casts. Thirty minutes into the fishing and visibility was now about 3 feet. A dense fog had descended on the water and the mist picked up again. Our Coleman fluorescent lanterns seemed to be the only visible light anywhere on the huge lake. It was quite a setting. I noticed the line had become even harder to cast so I brought it in for a check. Ah, no wonder….a clump of weeds were on the streamer. As I brought the streamer to hand it emitted a screech and shook violently. AAGGGHH, it nearly sent me to the deck as I stumbled over the bait bucket. It was a bat! Apparently, during a false cast this bat thought he had hit the mother load of juicy bugs and swooped in for the kill. He wasn’t hooked but the leader had wrapped around him and he was subject to at least 2 or 3 more casts and being drug through the water as bait before I realized something was amiss. I carefully unwrapped him and placed him on the swim platform on the back of the boat where he sat dazed but alive. Throughout the rest of the evening neither of us managed to catch a walleye. I did catch two decent pickerel (the Okuma disc drag was up to the task)and my friend caught a huge catfish on the herring. Still, nothing will ever compare to my first terrestrial! Natty
wolfgang, now now.. dont get bent out of shape. I noted i was assuming the most possibly alarmist role I could. I suppose that it also depends on where one lives.. in the "rabies belt" of the US, people make all kinds of assumptions about wild animals having rabies. when i lived in tx, everyone just assumed that if you had interaction with any wild animal, BAM, it was rabies time. likely not the same assumptions elsewhere. cheers, edwin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers. In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. Bats are no more likely than any other mammal to carry rabies. They also happen to be highly susceptible to the effects of the disease once they contract it. In other words, once they are infected they succumb rather quickly, thus making them less likely than other animals to pass it on. The notion that bats are high risk rabies transmitters is just another of the many unsupported myths surrounding these most useful and interesting animals.
ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers. In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. edwin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend invited me out on his boat for a nighttime fishing outing specifically to land walleye. His boat, a beautiful 18 footer, is docked at a nearby lake which is the largest lake in the state. Years ago the state decided to stock walleye and tiger muskies to add to the pickerel, channel cats, bass and other abundant species of game fish in the hopes of creating a world class trophy lake….they’ve succeeded to a degree. We set out just after dark, despite a sporadic misty rain. The water was like glass and it was quite warm and as a result, the pvc rain suit was a bit uncomfortable. My friend had a ready supply of herring for bait which had been working for him the last few weeks. I was eager to try out the new Okuma 5/6 disc drag on my old Fenwick 6 wt. in a setting that was completely unchartered for me. Thanks to Walt, I also had some very nice streamers which are quite convincing herring imitations and a few clousers in varying colors and sizes. Another first for me was the addition of a 4ft, lead core braided sink tip added onto my WF-F6 line. I anticipated quite a different casting experience between the sink tip and the heavy streamer….chuck and duck! We got to our spot, the mist had stopped and my rig was all ready to fish. A few false casts to get some line out and MAN, this was different! That darn sink tip was really loading the rod and it made the streamers feel even heavier than they were. After a minute or two of fooling around with the casting stroke and timing, I had it down well enough to be functional. My friend had his two poles already in rod holders with the baitfish doing their jobs well under the surface. He was now engaged in lighting a cigar and tending to the cooler full of ale. I on the other hand, was working the streamer and dealing with the sink tip during the casts. Thirty minutes into the fishing and visibility was now about 3 feet. A dense fog had descended on the water and the mist picked up again. Our Coleman fluorescent lanterns seemed to be the only visible light anywhere on the huge lake. It was quite a setting. I noticed the line had become even harder to cast so I brought it in for a check. Ah, no wonder….a clump of weeds were on the streamer. As I brought the streamer to hand it emitted a screech and shook violently. AAGGGHH, it nearly sent me to the deck as I stumbled over the bait bucket. It was a bat! Apparently, during a false cast this bat thought he had hit the mother load of juicy bugs and swooped in for the kill. He wasn’t hooked but the leader had wrapped around him and he was subject to at least 2 or 3 more casts and being drug through the water as bait before I realized something was amiss. I carefully unwrapped him and placed him on the swim platform on the back of the boat where he sat dazed but alive. Throughout the rest of the evening neither of us managed to catch a walleye. I did catch two decent pickerel (the Okuma disc drag was up to the task)and my friend caught a huge catfish on the herring. Still, nothing will ever compare to my first terrestrial! Natty
I believe some call walleye yellow pike??? Thanks – sounds like what we’d call grass pike and northern pike – the grass pike being the smaller. Here, pickerel are walleye – same fish – different name. Some of the Canadian TV fishing personalities have been using the American terms and the name ‘pickerel’ is starting to fall into disuse.
Regards, Jeff
[snip] Thanks – sounds like what we’d call grass pike and northern pike – the grass pike being the smaller. Here, pickerel are walleye – same fish – different name. Some of the Canadian TV fishing personalities have been using the American terms and the name ‘pickerel’ is starting to fall into disuse. Peter
forgot – many years ago I caught a big northern while trolling and it did a tail walk right in front of an old couple sitting in a row boat, worm dunking for perch. Shocked the hell out of ‘em. They’re not shy about leaving the water, here. Peter
I believe some call walleye yellow pike???
Walleye have to be about the most misnamed fish there is. They’re members of the perch family. Walleye fishing is like a religion in Minnesota, but I didn’t much care for them when I lived there. They don’t fight hard and you have to fish deep. Live minnows and jigs work best. They taste good, though. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – forgot – many years ago I caught a big northern while trolling and it did a tail walk right in front of an old couple sitting in a row boat, worm dunking for perch. Shocked the hell out of ‘em. They’re not shy about leaving the water, here. Boy would I love to hook a nice northern! That must have been some show that fish gave those folks. Last year while on a hunting trip near Shefferville I passed on a chance to go out with one of the local natives and a few others for northerns. I was having so much fun catching speckled trout (thats what the camp cook called them) out of a canoe in the lake right in camp that I didn’t want to leave. After two more days of catching and releasing about 100 of these beatiful little trout I wish I had gone out for a chance at the big guys. Don’t know why I’ve never seen a pickerel jump. Maybe the way I played them or maybe that’s just a difference between the pickerel and their bigger cousing the northerns. I have seen shows and pictures with northerns doing the tail walk, just never been lucky enough to have a pickerel do one for me.
The pickerel we catch in New England have the "jump, shake, and toss the hook" move down to a science… /daytripper
ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers. In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho.
Bats are no more likely than any other mammal to carry rabies. They also happen to be highly susceptible to the effects of the disease once they contract it. In other words, once they are infected they succumb rather quickly, thus making them less likely than other animals to pass it on. The notion that bats are high risk rabies transmitters is just another of the many unsupported myths surrounding these most useful and interesting animals.
<snipped interesting tale of chiropteran catch So, what happened to the bat? Wolfgang fledermaus fan
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Building my own BAMBOO!
Build your first one starting with a blank. You might look at and research http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_2.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod! There I said it, it’s official. Now where do I start? I found one site by Bruce Conner. Very informative and inspiring. Some of the other sites seemed to lean toward substantial investments of tools. Bruce briefly describes home made and common tools that will do the job. For those of you that make your own rods, think back. What do you wish you had known then, what you know now? Where can I be pointed. Realize I have absolutely nothing, no knowledge or tools. Green as they come. Thanks boys, Jamie Here is Bruce’s site. http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~bconner/index.html?57,11
I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod! There I said it, it’s official. Now where do I start? I found one site by Bruce Conner. Very informative and inspiring. Some of the other sites seemed to lean toward substantial investments of tools. Bruce briefly describes home made and common tools that will do the job. For those of you that make your own rods, think back. What do you wish you had known then, what you know now? Where can I be pointed. Realize I have absolutely nothing, no knowledge or tools. Green as they come. Thanks boys, Jamie Here is Bruce’s site. http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~bconner/index.html?57,11
Jamie, Welcome to the addiction that is bamboo. Like all other things fly fishing, once you’ve got the bug, it’s hard to shake. I myself have been into this thing for about nine months now and, although I haven’t built a rod yet, have found it to be a rewarding and challenging pastime. One thing that helps is to have a lot of patience and, at times, persistence. I feel that, like fly fishing or tying, you certainly can make some considerable monetary investments when getting into this hobby. And there is nothing wrong with those purchases if your budget allows. But that certainly doesn’t need to be the case if you are working with a limited budget. There is a wealth of information on the internet and in books on building your own tools and equipment, as well as info about building the rods themselves. Certainly Bruce’s site is a _great_ starting point. I think that it was one of the first sites I came across, if not the first. Another site that I have found very helpful is the Rodmakers’ listserve site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ . It’s packed with helpful information. Especially the listserve archives. If you have any questions on a bamboo rodbuilding topic, check the archive first, it’s probably in there. You will probably want to join the mailing list as well. There is a link on the site. I would also recommend checking out some of the many helpful books that are out there. You don’t even have to buy them, if you can find them in your local library. A library near me has a copy of Everett Garrison’s book, although I’m starting to realize that this it a stroke of luck. But you will probably end up buying one anyway: it’s a good thing to have on hand. I have read the Garrison book (_very_ detailed, but tends to be a bit anal), and I own the George Maurer book, which is excellent. Another very good book that I have read is the one by Wayne Cattanach. He also has videos to accompany the book, which are fun to watch. You also might want to check around and see if there are any builders near you. You might be surprised. I think the most helpful advice I can give you as far as equipment goes is this: if you can afford a set of planing forms, BUY THEM! Don’t get me wrong, it is possible to build your own. There is an excellent site by a Thomas Penrose that gives detailed instructions on doing so: http://www.geocities.com/penr0295/forms.htm . I am building my own forms based on these plans. But be warned, this is the part that requires a lot of patience and persistence. Plus it’s not a whole lot of fun. On the plus side, I have learned some things about metalworking. But if you can afford it, buy a set. There are people out there offering them for around $350, which isn’t too bad at all considering the amount of work it takes to build them. Anyway, good luck! If you have any questions (and I’m sure you will) post them to the Rodmakers’ listserve. Or drop me an email. I’d be glad to offer what limited knowledge I can. HTH. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another site that I have found very helpful is the Rodmakers’ listserve site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ . It’s packed with helpful information. Especially the listserve archives. If you have any questions on a bamboo rodbuilding topic, check the archive first, it’s probably in there. You will probably want to join the mailing list as well. There is a link on the site. I think the most helpful advice I can give you as far as equipment goes is this: if you can afford a set of planing forms, BUY THEM! Don’t get me wrong, it is possible to build your own. There is an excellent site by a Thomas Penrose that gives detailed instructions on doing so: http://www.geocities.com/penr0295/forms.htm . I am building my own forms based on these plans. But be warned, this is the part that requires a lot of patience and persistence. Plus it’s not a whole lot of fun. On the plus side, I have learned some things about metalworking. But if you can afford it, buy a set. There are people out there offering them for around $350, which isn’t too bad at all considering the amount of work it takes to build them.
Jamie, Keith gives you some good tips here. These are two excellent resources. The Penrose page is really good on certain aspects of the process. I think the best thing to get up to speed is to read the ENTIRE archives on the rodmakers site. It took me about a month of going at it off and on but it will give you the history of a lot that is going on with the listserve now and will answer a lot of questions better than in the books (but will not answer all- so get the books). You will be way more knowledgeable at the end of that and will be able to make a lot of informed decisions about how you want to approach it, what to buy and what to make, etc. etc. Also, be sure to print out any part of the archives that strikes you as useful as you go through it and start a notebook. This will help when you remember a great tip but can’t find it with the archives search engine (Frank Stetzer’s page). Good luck. Jon
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod! There I said it, it’s official. Now where do I start? I found one site by Bruce Conner. Very informative and inspiring. Some of the other sites seemed to lean toward substantial investments of tools. Bruce briefly describes home made and common tools that will do the job. For those of you that make your own rods, think back. What do you wish you had known then, what you know now? Where can I be pointed. Realize I have absolutely nothing, no knowledge or tools. Green as they come. Thanks boys, Jamie Here is Bruce’s site. http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~bconner/index.html?57,11
Jamie, http://www.teleport.com/~gord/canelink.shtml This will get you started. Kiyu
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Bush pilot adventures
Last fall I had the good fortune of meeting a gentleman at a local craft fair in NH who had a 6′x6′ display of pictures of some amazing size fish that he had caught. I guessed he was a hunter and fisherman of some sort, but it turned out that he was a Bush Pilot for many years, taking people in and out of remote areas in Canada. He had pictures and pictures of 10+ pound brook trout and deer with simply huge racks. I was amazed. He said he had gone where few people ever get a chance to go in a lifetime, and he was bursting with excitement and pride when he told his stories. He had since stopped bush piloting, due to health concerns, but his dream is to once again get back into a plane, or at the very least help some people who need information about adverturing into these remote spots. The amazing pictures he showed me, reminded me of my childhood days when I used to go hiking and fishing in the remote mountain streams of Vermont and catch some wonderful spring brook trout myself. I understood why he was so excited to tell his stories. At the time, my girlfriend and I were putting together a website to sell Vermont products, and even though he is from NH, we agreed to help him promote his book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, through our site. If anyone is interested in Bush Piloting information or perhaps Mr. Laporte’s book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, you can send us an email, or visit our website. The book is accessible through a link on our site’s left sidebar. Mr. Laporte would be glad to share his bush piloting advice as well. Thanks, Rick and Susan Vermonters at heart! http://www.piecesofvermont.com Before you buy.
Based on the topic, I’m going to share an experience I heard of a bush pilot. A friend and co-worker of mine was born and raised in Alaska. He has his ASEL certificate and was constantly flying into hard to reach areas to do some serious hunting and fishing. On one occasion, he landed on a sandbar in a nearly dried up river bed in order to hunt along the waterline. Well, it so happens that the FAA somehow witnessed him landing there and cited him for not having the proper certificate to fly the model plane. In other words, because he landed a river bed, the FAA cited him for flying a sea-plane without being certified for airplane, single engine sea. But, the plane has was flying had wheels and was normally considered a "land plane." (I wish I could remember the actual plane.) What are your impressions about being cited for operating a plane that you are certified to operate? Remember, it was a "land" plane and he landed on the dried river bed, not the water. — Sometimes opportunity pounds. Open the door; Link Below. http://www.rexall.com/nonprescriptionfortune Independent Business Owner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last fall I had the good fortune of meeting a gentleman at a local craft fair in NH who had a 6′x6′ display of pictures of some amazing size fish that he had caught. I guessed he was a hunter and fisherman of some sort, but it turned out that he was a Bush Pilot for many years, taking people in and out of remote areas in Canada. He had pictures and pictures of 10+ pound brook trout and deer with simply huge racks. I was amazed. He said he had gone where few people ever get a chance to go in a lifetime, and he was bursting with excitement and pride when he told his stories. He had since stopped bush piloting, due to health concerns, but his dream is to once again get back into a plane, or at the very least help some people who need information about adverturing into these remote spots. The amazing pictures he showed me, reminded me of my childhood days when I used to go hiking and fishing in the remote mountain streams of Vermont and catch some wonderful spring brook trout myself. I understood why he was so excited to tell his stories. At the time, my girlfriend and I were putting together a website to sell Vermont products, and even though he is from NH, we agreed to help him promote his book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, through our site. If anyone is interested in Bush Piloting information or perhaps Mr. Laporte’s book, Adventures of a Bush Pilot, you can send us an email, or visit our website. The book is accessible through a link on our site’s left sidebar. Mr. Laporte would be glad to share his bush piloting advice as well. Thanks, Rick and Susan Vermonters at heart! http://www.piecesofvermont.com Before you buy.
He never told me who actually spotted him landing, but Alaska does have alternating regulations on when you can take your game depending on the time of year. For example: When bear hunting, most of the time after the kill, the hunter must skin, gut, and package the bear meat, but not take it with on the first day. But, during spawning season, the bears eat so much fish that the meat tastes fishy, so you can take the meat the same day it was killed. I’ve never hunted in Alaska, so I can’t get more specific than restating stories that my friend has told me. I’ll email him and see if I can get him into this newsgroup. — Sometimes opportunity pounds. Open the door; Link Below. http://www.rexall.com/nonprescriptionfortune Independent Business Owner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re kidding right? The rating says nothing about where you land, only what equipment you can fly. Now, if it was Fish and Game that watched him and he took game "same day airborne" he could be in "a heap of trouble". — Dale L. Falk Cessna 182A N5912B http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html
You’re kidding right? The rating says nothing about where you land, only what equipment you can fly. Now, if it was Fish and Game that watched him and he took game "same day airborne" he could be in "a heap of trouble". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Based on the topic, I’m going to share an experience I heard of a bush pilot. A friend and co-worker of mine was born and raised in Alaska. He has his ASEL certificate and was constantly flying into hard to reach areas to do some serious hunting and fishing. On one occasion, he landed on a sandbar in a nearly dried up river bed in order to hunt along the waterline. Well, it so happens that the FAA somehow witnessed him landing there and cited him for not having the proper certificate to fly the model plane. In other words, because he landed a river bed, the FAA cited him for flying a sea-plane without being certified for airplane, single engine sea. But, the plane has was flying had wheels and was normally considered a "land plane." (I wish I could remember the actual plane.) What are your impressions about being cited for operating a plane that you are certified to operate? Remember, it was a "land" plane and he landed on the dried river bed, not the water.
– Dale L. Falk Cessna 182A N5912B http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » From sci.bio.fisheries
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what the hell is wrong with a goddamn normal fillet knife. an electric lesson <G Another goddamned fillet knife purist ! Probably have a Bastard #2 bamboo fillet knife, eh ? ;{) You need to read the post to understand the context. Now doesn’t that crank you up – tim pulls the 5 second sound bight out of the context of another ng (doesn’t even reference the post or the author) and then compains one has to read the whole post to understand the context! A master of misrepresentation!
Ah, he’s just mad because he’s not getting the response he thought he would. The whole thing has mutated into a fight about "picking on Texas." :-) The futile strugglings of a desperate soul…can be fun to watch in the right context. – Ken — "Complex problems have simple, easy-to-understand wrong answers." -Anon
After reading Tim quote in context on sci.bio.fisheries, a limitted discussion of what constitutes a natural fishery came up. One person felt that there wasn’t such a thing because once we include man, it is no longer natural. Dave Fluir gave the following definition: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My own bent, and this is, of course, purely personal bias, is to think of a natural fishery, in the purest sense of that term, as the following: The exploitation of a fish population sustained solely by natural reproduction with no deliberate attempt at the inflation of carrying capacity through a) anthropogenic nutrient input or b) introduction of species not enzootic to the waterbody for the express purpose of increasing fish production. Wow, what a mouthful, eh? Dave (should I put on asbestos, now?) Fluri North Bay, Ontario Canada
Another person said that that included most of the fisheries in his state, however, the bodies of water are themselves artificial. What makes a natural fishery? What waters do you consider natural fisheries? Willi
"buttload of small ones"? Careful with that Powlesland bait, Timmy ;^)
You’re right…appreciate the ‘heads-up’… ouch there’s another one… ouch..that’s one too… I worry about a man who thinks a dick in melted sidewalk salt is a homoerotic image. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
[deleted] Now doesn’t that crank you up – tim pulls the 5 second sound bight out of the context of another ng (doesn’t even reference the post or the author) and then compains one has to read the whole post to understand the context! A master of misrepresentation!
You probably complain to Blockbuster that the previews aren’t full length versions either ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
I worry about a man who thinks a dick in melted sidewalk salt is a homoerotic image.
What about someone who ponders putting his there? <g — Charlie…
Cruelty to animals. The horse is dead stop beating the poor thing
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A great quote there this AM… "a good electric knife and filleting lesson would greatly assist fishery management " Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
[deleted] Ah, he’s just mad because he’s not getting the response he thought he would. The whole thing has mutated into a fight about "picking on Texas." :-)
Quite the opposite my man. Quite the opposite. But of course, since you only look at the pictures (and in this case only read the subject line) I wouldn’t expect you to know. It was *PROVEN* that you reply without reading the posts earlier on in this thread Janek, you’re pretty much removed from any possibility of an intelligent debate AFAIC. That said, I am extremely tickled and very pleased with the sincere and intelligent followups I have seen to followup here in sci.bio.fisheries (Gee….sci.bio.fisheries…1 solid response based on science there would be worth 1000 based on emotion here) alt.flyfishing and co.general. I have found a new home away from home in sci.bio.fisheries ! This following (admittedly out of context but standing alone) quote was the only reply I needed to refuel the cells. I most certainly am not "mad" about the lack of response. The only lack of response that I’m mad about is the lack of response from the CDOW. "It is true that the animal rights activists are going to attack this sport with vigor in the next few years. It is time a few fishermen break out of the lock-step of C&R and develop campaigns to pre-empt the inevitable" AMEN Brother…. To Catch is Human, to eat, the *only* possible justification To Catch. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
Another person said that that included most of the fisheries in his state, however, the bodies of water are themselves artificial. What makes a natural fishery? What waters do you consider natural fisheries?
I generally dislike attempting to define the undefinable, but from a "gut feeling" perspective, I have a definition that I for the most part agree with. A fishery with naturally reproducing fish. I include fisheries which were stocked with hatchery fish, but that are now self- reproducing. Just my $0.02, - Ken — "I went to the woods to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." – Henry David Thoreau
Cruelty to animals. The horse is dead stop beating the poor thing
Don’t like it when C&R’s practiced on you eh ? It’s whopping good fun from this end ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
[deleted] Ah, he’s just mad because he’s not getting the response he thought he would. The whole thing has mutated into a fight about "picking on Texas." :-) Quite the opposite my man. Quite the opposite. But of course, since you only look at the pictures (and in this case only read the subject line) I wouldn’t expect you to know. It was *PROVEN* that you reply without reading the posts earlier on in this thread Janek, you’re pretty much removed from any possibility of an intelligent debate AFAIC.
B.M.T.I.A. I love it when you have to resort to your famous *PROVEN* accolades. It has been "proven" that you have never "proven" a damn thing here. Every one of your "facts" has been shown to be nothing more than opinion and emotion and lots of people have taken you to task on these. Throw away your emotional and ethical arguments and you haven’t a leg to stand on. (No, not even your third leg after you’ve been playing with salt and sidewalks.) You are all hot air and have been shown as such. There are many people here willing to hold intelligent discussions, unfortunately you are not one of them. AMEN Brother….
These really are your true colors. You are on a crusade. Just like the other loons who stand on street corners and shout insults and tell us all to "repent your evil ways." As with the other loons, there is no room for reason in your mind. You’ve never pondered a single thing any other person has said here dispite many well thought out arguments by a great many intelligent people. It must be sad to live inside such a tiny inflexible mind. Happy Friday, - Ken — "I went to the woods to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." – Henry David Thoreau
what the hell is wrong with a goddamn normal fillet knife. an electric lesson <G Another goddamned fillet knife purist ! Probably have a Bastard #2 bamboo fillet knife, eh ?
naw…. don’t like the glue lines and they always come with a wierd bend to them. <G chris
[snipped] …the need to harvest a buttload of small ones from time to time
"buttload of small ones"? Careful with that Powlesland bait, Timmy ;^)
what the hell is wrong with a goddamn normal fillet knife. an electric lesson <G Another goddamned fillet knife purist ! Probably have a Bastard #2 bamboo fillet knife, eh ? ;{) You need to read the post to understand the context.
Now doesn’t that crank you up – tim pulls the 5 second sound bight out of the context of another ng (doesn’t even reference the post or the author) and then compains one has to read the whole post to understand the context! A master of misrepresentation! RalphH
To Catch is Human, to eat, the *only* possible justification To Catch.
The need to justify is an attribute of guilt. — Charlie…
Couldn’t care less about being baited by you. Unless your a member of an Animal Rights Group. Are you?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cruelty to animals. The horse is dead stop beating the poor thing Don’t like it when C&R’s practiced on you eh ? It’s whopping good fun from this end ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
I’m sorry everybody, but someone’s going to do it anyway. So it might as well be me… "That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. I *WOULD* vote to make C&R illegal." – Tim Walker Do a DejaNews search if you want to see the context, but it doesn’t matter he meant exactly what he said. - Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Couldn’t care less about being baited by you. Unless your a member of an Animal Rights Group. Are you? Cruelty to animals. The horse is dead stop beating the poor thing Don’t like it when C&R’s practiced on you eh ? It’s whopping good fun from this end ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer
– "I went to the woods to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived." – Henry David Thoreau
Couldn’t care less about being baited by you. Unless your a member of an Animal Rights Group. Are you?
Yes, I am a member of the human race. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
A great quote there this AM… "a good electric knife and filleting lesson would greatly assist fishery management " Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
Ah. I can think of no other two words which would inspire so much daydreaming, except maybe ‘beaver’ instead of ‘trout’.
You’d love driving around N GA, TN and NC. "Trout ponds’ are all over the place, they provide the poles and bait your hook too. Your pa,
Uh, don’t think so<g. — Charlie…
what the hell is wrong with a goddamn normal fillet knife. an electric lesson <G
Another goddamned fillet knife purist ! Probably have a Bastard #2 bamboo fillet knife, eh ? ;{) You need to read the post to understand the context. It was discussing the fact of correcting an imbalance in a fishery vis-a-vis predator/prey relationship and the need to harvest a buttload of small ones from time to time and the observation that most anglers probably won’t fool with a 5 inch crappie, though that might be the best thing to be done and an electric fillet knife makes short order of filleting 200 bluegills. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
[deleted] Your pa, Uh, don’t think so<g.
You’re right…. I meant to type "Your bitch," — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
You misspelled ‘trout pond’<g.
Ah. I can think of no other two words which would inspire so much daydreaming, except maybe ‘beaver’ instead of ‘trout’. Your pa, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.
A great quote there this AM… "a good electric knife and filleting lesson would greatly assist fishery management "
what the hell is wrong with a goddamn normal fillet knife. an electric lesson <G chris
A great quote there this AM… "a good electric knife and filleting lesson would greatly assist fishery management "
You misspelled ‘trout pond’<g. — Charlie…
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Requesting Yosemite rec's
I will be making my first trip to Yosemite National Park at the end of the week and would be interested in hearing what specific recommendations people have for specific areas to flyfish for trout while I am there. I do not have a float tube, so they would need to be lakes that are fly-fishable from the bank/wadable or streams/creeks that are accessible for a daytrip/hike. I am looking for areas, perhaps, where the fishing pressure hasn’t been excessive (if that exists) and someone of my beginner-intermediate skills would have a reasonable chance having fish take my fly. Areas with plenty, albeit small trout are a-ok by me. I have tried to do some reading and one area I wondered about was the Dana Fork of the Tuolemne? Any thoughts or other rec’s? Thank you very much in advance.
Try Rafferty Creek in Tuolomne Meadows or go over 120 (Tioga Pass) and go to 395, then try the Owens drainage…large browns starting to spawn now! Larry #:)# www.sierraflyfish.com has some info (no affiliation)
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Fishing in Michigan
I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, Brian — Brian
I do not know Lansing area, but mid-October on in MI advice from me is: 1.Get the licence and booklet and note where rivers have "extended seasons" (for Steelhead, Salmon, Trout). 2. Go there. Target steelhead. Closest famous place may be Grand Rapids on the Grand, but the Grand comes right into lansing. I’ve seen Salmon climb the step damn at Grand Ledge. You will be semi close to the Pere Marquette, White, Manistee, Little Manistee, etc. (1.5-3 hrs) Mid october may present a problem of "Black ugly chinook present". - rork.
: I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about : bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone : give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any : information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, : Brian : — : Brian
I don’t know about specific locations but I read recently that parts of the Grand River around Lansing are the best Smallmouth waters in the entire state, and that’s not just for rivers. Good luck, Jason Schwartz I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, Brian — Brian
Brian, General trout season ends on September 30 but there are extended season trout streams. Fish creek is about an hour + from Lansing and does have brown and brook trout. However, I recommend you stay in the Lansing area. Lake Lansing is one of the better large mouth bass lakes in the state and is just outside of town. There are also lots of panfish (bluegill, pumpkinseed, and black crappie) and some pike. The Red Cedar River, which runs through the MSU campus, has a variety of warmwater fish. The Grand River, which runs through Lansing and points West, has small mouth bass among others. If you are interested I know a guide who is an expert on the Grand and can show you the ropes. And there is a TU group here that can be helpful. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be going to MSU in mid October for a meeting and was thinking about bringing my gear to try a little fly fishing in the area. Could anyone give me a few suggestions as to the in’s and out’s of the area? Any information would be great. eg locations, conditions, etc. Many thanks, Brian — Brian
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » NY State Guides Association
Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.
Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.
Michael, The phone number for NYSOGA is 518 798 1253. Good luck. James Ehlers NYSOGA Member Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle
Mike – Contact the DEC in Raybrooke, NY (area code 518) and they can refer you to the proper office which will mail out an aplication form as well as requirements. What is required for the Backpacking/Hiking & Camping Licence: (If I remember correctly) -Passing a Physical Exam from your Doctor, -Basic First Aid AND Water Safety Course OR Advanced First Aid (Includes Water Safety course) -Taking a 2 or 3 hour test at your Regional DEC Office (Core plus area of specialty -Climbing/Hiking & Backpacking/Canoeing/Camping…) -Fee of around $50-$75 Good Luck Rick Does anyone have contact information for the NY State Guides Association? I would like to find out what the requirements are for certification.
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Fly fishing games?
I tried the Demo and it is a lot like Trophy Bass. Since I own Trophy Bass and enjoy it I think I would definitely enjoy Trophy Rivers. I haven’t ordered it as of yet but I probably will before too long. It’s a fun way to spend an evening when you’re tired of tying flies <Grin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has any one tried the Trophy rivers fly fishing game?
I tried the demo and was very impressed. The Trophy Bass I & II games are supposed to be terriffic. I was always hoping they would release a fly fishing cyber-angling (that’s their term) game. Enjoy, Josh I think the release day of the game is today, November 21. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has any one tried the Trophy rivers fly fishing game?
It’s a fun way to spend an evening when you’re tired of tying flies <Grin
How could you ever get tired of tying flies? Bryce
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » Murtle lake, B.C.
Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks
Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks
a very nice spot, but not the greatest fishing. at least for me. so…..it might be good and i suck?? last i was there the rainbows were very small. caught a few casting small mepps spinners from shore and from the boat. some guys swear by the old "ford fender" gang troll and a wedding band spinner with a worm. no luck myself, but saw a couple taken. i coudn’t raise a thing with the fly rod. others that tried had the same results. this was last year so things may have picked up a bit. no matter what, it’s a very pretty spot to go. by the way…if you do have good fishing, please post on what was working! thanks,b.
Ben, You must have had bad luck! I’ve been on the lake four times, three times for stays of 5 days or more. For me, the fishing was always fantastic!!! This is a canoe only lake, with a 2.5 km portage in. For this reason, there is less fishing pressure on Murtle than you would find on lakes with easy car access. I’ve pulled trout out of the lake up to five lbs with 2-3 lbs being the average. I’ve fished it standing in the water casting in shallows, float tubing and trolling from the canoe and never been skunked. On one trip I spoke with a park rangers who said some slob had pulled out a 14 pounder out of the north arm of the lake! The lake has two arms: north and west. I’ve never been up the north arm but I understand that it has much less traffic than the west but the weather isn’t quite as good as it is on the west arm. The west arm has better camping spots and BETTER FISHING. There is a river that flows into the west arm (the name escapes me now) that is a used by the kokanee in the late summer to spawn. I’ve fished the outlet of the river and had some of the best fishing days of my life. On one trip in early September, I caught three fish in four casts. All of them were 12-16 inches. The west arm empties into the Murtle River which has some great dry fly fishing all along it. Though the further down the river you go from the lake the smaller the fish get. This lake is a fishing heaven that has some fantastic dry fly action if your in the right place at the right time. My best luck has been with black leeches, big dragon fly nymphs and Doc Spratleys. Take lots of these if your a fly fisherman. For drys take lots of Adams, dark dun Elk Wing Caddis and a variety of other western drys. Good Luck, Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going there soon. Any one have any good info to share? I’d appreciate it!!! Thanks a very nice spot, but not the greatest fishing. at least for me. so…..it might be good and i suck?? last i was there the rainbows were very small. caught a few casting small mepps spinners from shore and from the boat. some guys swear by the old "ford fender" gang troll and a wedding band spinner with a worm. no luck myself, but saw a couple taken. i coudn’t raise a thing with the fly rod. others that tried had the same results. this was last year so things may have picked up a bit. no matter what, it’s a very pretty spot to go. by the way…if you do have good fishing, please post on what was working! thanks,b.