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Depends on if you’re japanese…

then it would be: fry frishing steveb – who is so happy elle is more cheerful

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Depends on if you’re japanese… then it would be: fry frishing steveb – who is so happy elle is more cheerful

Thank you.  I’m happy about it, too  Thankfully my low points lately are fairly fleeting. hugs, elle

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Me too Frampy (just wantng to join in the discussion)

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LOL Okay, to get serious again(?) for a second,  the reason I asked is that Dave saw this posted earlier today at a fly fishing (or is it flyfishing?) forum he frequents and e-mailed it to me.   So I thought I would ask hugs, elle

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Hey, Murray – Do you fly fish? hugs, elle (I know, it seems unrelated, but I have my reasons

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Do you fly fish?

actually elle…isn’t that one word?

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Do you fly fish? actually elle…isn’t that one word?

Depends on if you’re japanese… bada- bing! Sorry, couldn’t resist. Actually, it may very well be one word.  If it is, it’s two words combined. Sort of like website vs. web site.  I still haven’t sorted out whether there is a clear opinion as to which is the correct form.  Don’t care, either, since both convey the correct information  My days of worrying about form over function are (thankfully) long behind me. hugs, elle

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Do you fly fish?

 Getting a little personal arent we. <G actually elle…isn’t that one word? Depends on if you’re japanese… bada- bing! Sorry, couldn’t resist.

 I knew this was going to happen. Actually, it may very well be one word.

 This could get ugly. hugs, elle

  Murray

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  How many forum members does it take to change a lightbulb? 1 to change the light bulb and 1 to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it’s "lightbulb" or "light bulb" … another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 156 to email the participant’s ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" 109 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb forum about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 27 to post URL’s where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URL’s were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL’s 3 to post about links they found from the URL’s that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 19 to quote the "Me too’s" to say "Me three" 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" 4 to say "didn’t we go through this already a short time ago?" 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 new forum member to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again

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  How many forum members does it take to change a lightbulb? 1 to change the light bulb and 1 to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it’s "lightbulb" or "light bulb" … another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 156 to email the participant’s ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" 109 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb forum about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 27 to post URL’s where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URL’s were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL’s 3 to post about links they found from the URL’s that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 19 to quote the "Me too’s" to say "Me three" 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" 4 to say "didn’t we go through this already a short time ago?" 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 new forum member to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again

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Hey, Murray – Do you fly fish? hugs, elle (I know, it seems unrelated, but I have my reasons

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Do you fly fish?

actually elle…isn’t that one word?

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Do you fly fish? actually elle…isn’t that one word?

Depends on if you’re japanese… bada- bing! Sorry, couldn’t resist. Actually, it may very well be one word.  If it is, it’s two words combined. Sort of like website vs. web site.  I still haven’t sorted out whether there is a clear opinion as to which is the correct form.  Don’t care, either, since both convey the correct information  My days of worrying about form over function are (thankfully) long behind me. hugs, elle

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Do you fly fish?

 Getting a little personal arent we. <G actually elle…isn’t that one word? Depends on if you’re japanese… bada- bing! Sorry, couldn’t resist.

 I knew this was going to happen. Actually, it may very well be one word.

 This could get ugly. hugs, elle

  Murray

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LOL Okay, to get serious again(?) for a second,  the reason I asked is that Dave saw this posted earlier today at a fly fishing (or is it flyfishing?) forum he frequents and e-mailed it to me.   So I thought I would ask hugs, elle

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Depends on if you’re japanese…

then it would be: fry frishing steveb – who is so happy elle is more cheerful

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Depends on if you’re japanese… then it would be: fry frishing steveb – who is so happy elle is more cheerful

Thank you.  I’m happy about it, too  Thankfully my low points lately are fairly fleeting. hugs, elle

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Depends on if you’re japanese… then it would be: fry frishing steveb – who is so happy elle is more cheerful Thank you.  I’m happy about it, too  Thankfully my low points lately are fairly fleeting. hugs, elle

Me too Frampy (just wantng to join in the discussion)

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Being somewhat of a vest freak, (along with several alternatives, the best of which is a chest halter with a couple of packs on it), at the last count, which was about five minutes ago, I owned 31 separate purpose built vests, jackets, halters, creels, and related equipment.

31 vests, etc., indeed. Take a look at: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/page1/connor/con… Mike looks like a desperate deserter from the Vietnam War. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Whiner. I wear a Columbia Sportswear vest I bought at the outlet center for under $20. It has zip-off fleece sleeves, so when it’s cool I can wear a fairly tight fleece vest under the fishing vest, then zip on /zip off/add/remove layers all I want. My .02. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Guys.  Thanks for the (fewer than I’d hoped) opinions on vests. Somehow, I thought the thread would have generated a lot more discussion.

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I wear an Orvis Battenkill Pro Guide Vest.   It was one of the few vests available in my size, XXXL  (I’m 6′4+ and 300Lbs+)  It is also big enough that I can layer clothing under it, and light enough that it doesn’t bother me wearing it all day long.  There’s plenty of space for everything I carry with me including some bulkier items such as a rain poncho, bottled water, a spare reel and spare spools. Of course the fact that I have no other vests, nor have I ever worn another,  I can’t comment on how it compares to any others…..  but it has worked thus far for this (large) newbie. Joshua – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Guys.  Thanks for the (fewer than I’d hoped) opinions on vests. Somehow, I thought the thread would have generated a lot more discussion. Generally, everyone here has strong opinions on damn near everything.  I’m surprised everyone was so quiet about vest opinions.  I guess I should have said I was going to wear the vest in a burned wilderness area and wanted to look good when pilots checked me out with their binoculars:) Bob Skinner    Buffalo, WY —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Being somewhat of a vest freak, (along with several alternatives, the best of which is a chest halter with a couple of packs on it), at the last count, which was about five minutes ago, I owned 31 separate purpose built vests, jackets, halters, creels, and related equipment. Most of it is really excellent for one specific purpose, and just about useless for all others, or is at the best a severe compromise, for a whole variety of reasons. On reflection, the inevitable result is that no matter what I put on, it has some disadvantage owing to the  weather, water depth, ease of access, tackle carrying capacity, weight, lack of pockets, surfeit of pockets, etc, etc, or simply personal comfort, at the venue where I eventually arrive, after hours of agonising what to wear, and extremely difficult decisions about what I absolutely have to take along. This unfortunate situation is considerably exacerbated when I visit a new venue, and do not know what I might need, mainly because there are not many pockets big enough to accommodate a kitchen sink. My best overall fishing clothing is a GoreTex SAS camouflage jacket, but this is not suitable for use in very warm weather, when "full", ( the relatively little known "Connor

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Luis, I didn’t want to give the impression that my second son, Jared, is incapable of mastering different skills.  I think he can.  However, they will not be the same skills as my first son, Jacob. (snip) There are many kinds of intelligence, and strengths… we all have and lack some.  They come into play in the form of different paths for each flyfisher.

You are correct.  In 1995 Howard Gardner, an educator, had a book published that described intelligence as stands of spaghetti or string.  "Multiple intelligences" as he put it, could be categorized into seven areas or strings: logical-mathematical, linguistic, musical, spatial, bodily-kinesthetic, interpersonal, and intrapersonal.  Each individual intelligence stand or string is constantly touching and interacting with all the another stands.  It is hard to separate one from the other.  All children have all of these intelligences, however not in the same quantity. Every child has ONE area that they are strongest in.  That child would then be classified as that type of a LEARNER. The problem with the traditional I.Q. test, which the schools still use today, is that it measures intelligence as a glass of liquid.  The test determines how much liquid is in the glass.  That is all.  It makes no classification of strong areas and weak areas. The old I.Q. test is still used because, though educators can test a child to see which of the multiple intelligences they are strongest in, they can not determine how much of that intelligence they have.  Additionally, no child is equal to another in all areas or in the way that their intelligences interact with each other.  It’s kind of like a fingerprint. Every child is unique in the way they learn and think. Let me take a second to described the SEVEN intelligences: LOGICAL-MATHEMATICAL:          They have a sensitivity to and capacity to discern, logical or numerical patterns; ability to handle long chains of reasoning. LINGUISTIC:          They have a sensitivity to the sounds, rhythms, and meanings of words; sensitivity to the different functions of language. MUSICAL:          They have the abilities to produce and appreciate rhythm, pitch, and timbre; appreciation of the forms of musical expressiveness. SPATIAL:        They have the capacities to perceive the visual-spatial world accurately and to perform transformations on one’s initial perceptions. BODILY-KINESTHETIC:          They have the abilities to control one’s body movements and to handle objects skillfully. INTERPERSONAL:          They have the capacities to discern and respond appropriately to the moods, temperaments, motivations, and desires of other people. INTRAPERSONAL:          Access to one’s own feelings and the ability to discriminate among them and draw on them to guide behavior; knowledge of one’s own strengths, weaknesses, desires, and intelligences. Luis, the gentleman that you speak of, though it might not be his highest area, is high in interpersonal intelligence.  This is why he does well in restaurant relations.  He might also be high in bodily-kinesthetic and spatial intelligences.  Regarding his low ability of reading, could indicate that he is low in linguistic.  He probably is.  However, I would gather to say that the greater reason is due to educators giving up on him due to his struggle with the written word.  And maybe he gave up on himself.  I personally believe EVERYONE can read and write well if adequate attention and dedication is given to learning it. My oldest son, Jacob, is a linguistic learner, thus does well in a traditional school setting. My second son, Jared, is a spatial learner, however he’s also almost bind. What an irony.  This gives him a handicap in his learning due to the way his brain works vs. the lack of eye sight.  He learns best when he can see something, however, with his pop-bottle glasses, he only get a circle of clear vision directly in front of him.  A normal range of vision is about 45 degrees.  Jared’s range of clear vision is about 15-20 degrees with no peripheral vision to speak of.  You can see how this limits him in his learning as a spatial learner. Jared, however, is highly coordinated and has good control of his body movements. Jacob is not.  Jacob is a physical klutz. My original question was to narrow down what type of intelligence is most useful in fly fishing.  I would gather to say that a musical, interpersonal, or intrapersonal learners would not use their strongest areas in fly fishing.  However, a spatial, linguistic, logical-mathematical, or bodily-kinesthetic learners could possibly use their strongest areas in fly fishing.  But, which one is most important in constantly catching the most and largest fish?  Can a linguistic learner sit and read all book available to become an excellent fly fisherman?  Can a logical-mathematical learner evaluate the odds in different situations to become an excellent fly fisherman?  Can a bodily-kinesthetic learner practice casting until it’s perfect and become an excellent fly fisherman?  Or, can a spatial learner look at his environment and become an excellent fly fisherman?  All these areas might be important like string touching each other.  However, which one area is most important?  That’s what I was originally getting at without a long drown out explanation, which I just did.  Not to say that anyone is stupid.  I don’t think anyone really is. Vern

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Vern, I’ll echo what you have heard from the other posters. There are indeed mental and physical components to fly fishing, and there can be many approaches to the sport. A real strength in one component can compensate for a weakness in the other. Your boys may develop very different methods and tactics, but with your guidance and obvious enthusiasm both should fare quite well. You guys are lucky to have each other. George Adams

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I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical?

  I wrote the post about the 20-ft. caster, and in his case, it is an intuitive genius, a sixth sense, if you will, regarding the ways of living things, be they trout or elk. When fishing, he is totally focused, although he might casually point out a mother duck and her brood hiding in an eddy, deep in the shadows of an overhang, that you and the next 30 guys would have never seen. This man has great trouble reading, in fact is near-illiterate, but he is an expert at observing and gleaning information from people. He can also charm anyone at will, it seems, at any time. He once had every waitress in a Colorado restaurant at our table, telling us their life and love stories not 20 minutes after arriving, and he flirted with every one of them, and not one gave any sign of being left out.  I think this magic translates or transmutates into fly fishing. There are many kinds of intelligence, and strengths… we all have and lack some. They come into play in the form of different paths for each flyfisher. I recommend reading about the different paths in Yoga, in a book by Mircea Eliade. The part on the many paths relates to this topic.                                          — Luis

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Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability? My two oldest boys are as different as night and day.  Jacob (my oldest boy at age 9) is an intellectual genius with a photographic memory.  His I.Q. is 142, although he’s a social and physical klutz.  Jared (my second son at age 7) is a highly physically coordinated and socially talented young man. However, his I.Q. is only 80 which makes him mentally challenged.  Their grades at school are indicators of these differences. I take both boys fishing.  Their attack at the sport are completely different which I believe is an indication of their age difference, as well. Jacob is 9 years old and Jared is 7 years old, so there is two years difference.  At their ages, two years is a huge difference.  I’m currently trying to teach Jacob how to fly fish.  He seams to have a problem with casting. I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical? Your opinions are appreciated and could make an interesting discussion.  In addition, your comments can only help me in helping my boys enjoy the sport. In advance, thanks for your comments. Vern

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I have two boys, aged 30 and 27, who have been fly fishing since little tots. I never tried to direct their interest or overly instruct, I felt that if they stuck with it they would develop their own skills and interests. The youngest can lay out a dry 60 ft as pretty as you ever want to see, the oldest maybe 40, but he can out roll cast the younger by 15 ft. One prefers dries and wets and one prefers sight fishing and nymphs. I guess what I am saying is, give them the opportunity to experience the different facets, don’t force any one on them or over instruct and most of all let em have fun… Both of my boys are married now with two children each and long for the times when they were young with no cares but for the next strike. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability? My two oldest boys are as different as night and day.  Jacob (my oldest boy at age 9) is an intellectual genius with a photographic memory.  His I.Q. is 142, although he’s a social and physical klutz.  Jared (my second son at age 7) is a highly physically coordinated and socially talented young man. However, his I.Q. is only 80 which makes him mentally challenged.  Their grades at school are indicators of these differences. I take both boys fishing.  Their attack at the sport are completely different which I believe is an indication of their age difference, as well. Jacob is 9 years old and Jared is 7 years old, so there is two years difference.  At their ages, two years is a huge difference.  I’m currently trying to teach Jacob how to fly fish.  He seams to have a problem with casting. I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical? Your opinions are appreciated and could make an interesting discussion.  In addition, your comments can only help me in helping my boys enjoy the sport. In advance, thanks for your comments. Vern

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[snip] I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.

[and again] Vern, don’t believe everything Louie LaPlac posts. First of all, I *know* on a good day with a trailing breeze that he can actually cast close to 30 feet! /daytripper ;^)

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Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability?

It is basically what you make of it. You can fly-fish with hardly  any knowledge at all, or you can devote incredible amounts of time attaining knowledge and skills to supplement it.  The main thing is to enjoy it, no matter how you go about it. TL MC

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Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability?

One of the best flyfishermen I’ve ever fished with doesn’t cast beyond 40 feet. Not that he doesn’t have the physical skill. He moves on the stream like an otter and always seems to position himself where he doesn’t need to make a long cast. On the other hand, the ability to see the fly and react to the strike sure seems to have faded in direct proportion to the increase in grey hair and waist size. Like most things, it depends. Teach your children both, to their individual abilities and have a good time doing it. You’re a lucky guy. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi Vern, All of the tenets of fly fishing are as important as one makes them.  Some believe that the quantity or quality of fish caught is the measure of a fly fisherman.  Others treat the sport differently.  I have met guys who are full fledged streamside entomologists.  Others are stream side ichthyologists as they know every aspect of a particular fish’s behavior.  I know others who prefer to tie flies than to fish.  Personally, I love to cast, learn about the bugs, the fish and I am now tying my flies.  It seems that I am evolving as I learn more of the sport.  I can’t tell you what part of fly fishing will be important to me next year, but I guarantee I will be fly fishing. Expose Jacob and Jared to the fly fishing world, and let them gravitate toward their individual preferences.  It is much like music.  Many folks play the piano, but some gravitate to classical music while others gravitate to rock music. Pete

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I am looking for a literary agent to represent a book that I am writing for publication.  Any suggestions?  Thanks a bunch.  I never forget those who help me. — Flyfish NC                                                   Gordon Churchill                                        http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853                                                                     Dragon’s Hope Publishing Heidi Dragon Churchill                                               Business cards, ad design, forms and all manner of desktop publishing.      

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I have not failed  I am a writter of peotry.  Need publishcation

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[snip] : I guess they figure the writing chores should be left lot the giants of : the industry, like Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh.  <sigh I feel for ya.  But writers like Stern aren’t the really sad cases.  You may not like him, but he has talent.  You try talking off the top of your head every day and maintaining the attention of a million listeners.  I have a hard time some days with 200 in a classroom, and they pay to be there.  Stern can tell a story. The real sad ones are the cases like this woman bomber pilot recently resigned from the Air Force.  She disobeys a direct order from her superior and gets a large advance to write a book about it.  Shameless. The author, the publisher and the editor. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I am looking for a literary agent to represent a book that I am writing for publication.  Any suggestions?  Thanks a bunch.  I never forget those who help me. — Flyfish NC Gordon Churchill                                        http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853

Gordon, I’ve been trying to get an agent to read my novel "Blue Ice" for over a year.  I’ve got 75 rejections, and only a handful (5) even accepted the first 25 manuscript pages.  I have no idea how many of those actually even read the first page. I guess they figure the writing chores should be left lot the giants of the industry, like Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh.  <sigh As a musician friend frequently reminds me that all I need to do is get up in that bell tower with my deer rifle, and I’ll have a book deal within 48 hours.   Yes, I’m cynical.  I’m probably also paranoid.  But then, just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t all out to get you. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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about flyfishing, I learned as a bait fisherman. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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about flyfishing, I learned as a bait fisherman. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

     Puleeeze, Tim! You sound as pompous as us fly-fisher-persons.      From one who learned from her father in 1938 how to sling a worm.                                   Louise Scharrenberg

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about flyfishing, I learned as a bait fisherman. — TimW Halfordian Golfer      Puleeeze, Tim! You sound as pompous as us fly-fisher-persons.      From one who learned from her father in 1938 how to sling a worm.                                   Louise Scharrenberg

Interesting twist on my post to be sure… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it? Thanks, Jack Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida

Jack: Like you, I missed the first CFV. The new (and final) CFV was posted one or two days ago (it is now 2-12). Just find & read it, and it will tell you how to cast your ballot. I did just that when I first found it. If you vote, then your vote will cancel mine. Fair is fair. Actually, that depends on your definition of the word "fair". Because it takes a 2/3 vote to create the new group, your vote counts half as much as mine. Regards (and good gardening); Bill — Center for Room Temperature Confusion

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it? Thanks, Jack Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida I vote YES on rec.gardens.edible

While I think this was done in innocence, let me please remind everyone that voting should be done from the original CFV ballot, not by writing a line someone tells you to. You can find a CFV in DejaNews, or request one by email from the votetaker. Ginger

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I am grabbing this message as an example.  Ginger is entirely correct in her message.  THE ONLY WAY TO VOTE IS TO REPLY TO THE CFV.  I am not trying to yell, but I want that line to grab your attention if nothing else does. The voting on CFV rec.gardens.edible has indeed started.  You should see or have seen a message entitled CFV: rec.gardens.edible (Jani Patokallio) This is the OFFICIAL call for votes message.  If you missed it, it will appear again as 2nd CFV:rec.gardens.edible (Jani Patokallio) sometime soon.  You should only reply once (unless you change your mind) to EITHER message.  You don’t need to vote twice.   Read the CFV or 2nd CFV very closely.  It details how to vote. You should not vote by "just sending email to Jani with I vote __" because someone tells you it is the right way.  Your vote MAY not be counted. (Example: Calling the election committee to vote for Bob Dole) You should not vote by replying to a CFV that was emailed to you by a friend.  This could also cause your vote to be disallowed.   (Example: filling out Bob Dole on the ballot Newt sent you, even if it is word for word the same) You should not vote by replying to any other message besides the OFFICIAL CFV.  If you replied to one of the above threads(Vote Yes or Vote No) with a "me too" and THOUGHT you were voting, you were not. (Example: Calling Newt and telling him Dole has your vote) Your vote is important to the future of rec.gardens.edible irrespective of which way you vote.  I would prefer that you make your vote count.  That way we get a true representation of the internet gardening community. (Example: You driving your own car to your local elementary school and pulling a lever) Again, if you have any questions, please respond via post to this message.  No email to me please. Scott proponent rec.gardens.edible

I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it? Thanks, Jack Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida I vote YES on rec.gardens.edible While I think this was done in innocence, let me please remind everyone that voting should be done from the original CFV ballot, not by writing a line someone tells you to. You can find a CFV in DejaNews, or request one by email from the votetaker. Ginger                  Scott D. Jung http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2392 http://www.netcom.com/~jung Remove the FIX-ME to send email.

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I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it? Thanks, Jack Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida

I vote YES on rec.gardens.edible

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I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it? Thanks, Jack Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida

   There was an RFV (Request for Vote) with a detailed proposal posted on Jan 31 to all of the garden related newsgroups.  It was the first call for votes and will be officially posted again before the voting is closed. You might be able to find it by looking in a group with less traffic (It’s still on my server in triangle.gardens for example) and setting the entire set of messages to unread.    I’m not sure if reposting it is acceptable, but I’ll ask one of the originators if they will do it again since it seems to have been widely missed.  I only saw it on triangle.gardens. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it?

The CFV would also be available in news.announce.newgroups.  It will also be posted once more before the end of the voting period. Note that because of fraudulent campaigning on other votes in the past by some individuals, providing someone with instructions on how to vote with anything other than the full, uneditted CFV is considered a big no-no.  If someone out there still has the CFV on their machine, reposting it is okay, but just posting the bare instructions is not. — Mary Conner

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I must have missed the post describing how to vote.  This is not hard to do in an area as cluttered as this one. I want to vote YES.  How do I do it? Thanks, Jack Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida

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Does anyone have any tips or experience on fishing the Wissahickon in Philadelphia?

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: Does anyone have any tips or experience on fishing the Wissahickon in : Philadelphia? Get a tetannus shot before you venture in.

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Does anyone have any tips or experience on fishing the Wissahickon in Philadelphia?

What…God doesn’t know?

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I fished the Wissahickon when I was a kid. They would stock it with trout, but if you ate one that was in the water too long it tasted like soap. The stream is muddy and tough to get down to in areas near Bells Mill and Valley Green if you want to wade. I would suggest that you go upstream near Flourtown where there’s a park that has open banks and the stream is a bit shallower and, if memory serves, may be better all around for fly fishing. Good luck

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Every time I drive from TN to NC, I look down at the Piegon River near the border by the Waterville exit.  I remember hearing that most the fish left the river due to the discharges of the Canton paper mill in Canton, NC.  Now that the mill has cleaned up it’s discharge, does anyone know if the river supports any fish? If so, do you know what patters work in this area? Thanks in advance. Steve

The Pigeon River is still on Tennessee’s (ever-growing) list of places you shouldn’t eat fish from.  I’m not sure if fishing is allowed, or if you have to catch and release, or if it’s one of Tennessee’s areas that you’d just be better off not eating fish from (kind of like the Clinch River from Oak Ridge down to five miles below where it enters the Tennessee…)   The problem is that the dioxin discharged from Canton accumulated in the sediments that the insects live in and eat.  So the trout there very efficiently concentrate this dioxin by eating lots of insects. I understand Tennessee is trying to get the river dredged out and cleaned up, but naturally the North Carolina government doesn’t care to hurt its people’s jobs for a fishing stream 45 miles away.  Looks like another drawn-out Superfund kind of battle, with not much chance of a clean-up in sight. I think I remember the warning/prohibition lasts all the way downstream to Douglas Lake. Hope this helps.         Pat

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Every time I drive from TN to NC, I look down at the Piegon River near the border by the Waterville exit.  I remember hearing that most the fish left the river due to the discharges of the Canton paper mill in Canton, NC.  Now that the mill has cleaned up it’s discharge, does anyone know if the river supports any fish? If so, do you know what patters work in this area? Thanks in advance. Steve

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The Dioxin Dry fly pattern works best.  It’s a three headed fly best fished with care  not to touch the fly, line, rod or water.  I agree the river is beautiful, but 30-40 years of uncontrolled pollution does not clean up in one year. The only people Champion Paper company is fooling are fools who are suckered into their commercials on TV.  If your truly interested in fishing the area for trout write me at:  Phil –    

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The Dioxin Dry fly pattern works best.  It’s a three headed fly best fished with care  not to touch the fly, line, rod or water.  I agree the river is beautiful, but 30-40 years of uncontrolled pollution does not clean up in one year. The only people Champion Paper company is fooling are fools who are suckered into their commercials on TV.  If your truly interested in fishing the area for trout write me at:  Phil –    

 I thought it was more than 30-40…didn’t they open the mill in 1908?   Just curious. *                                                                       * *                                                                       * *  ENTOMOLOGIST          ANTIQUE TACKLE COLLECTOR        ALL-AROUND NUT * *                  _____/  O                                           * *                                  |                    |               * *                                  |                    |               * *                                  |                 _/ _/            * *                               _/ _/                                 *

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Hi there! Im a beginner and im wondering what line size rod to buy. I am from oregon and will do most of my fishing for trout- although I would like to eventually go for steelhead and salmon. I really dont want to have to buy a separate rod. Is a 7 too small for larger fish would an 8 scare off most trout? If I were only fishing for trout a 6 would be ideal. Can I buy say an 8 rod and fish with 6 line? or would the loss of controll be too much ? Any response would be much appreciated!

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Buying a rod and using undersized line defeats the loading ability of the rod. I mean loading, the tip section of the rod actually bends and creates the loop (very important) that the rod causes in the line. Confusing? Yes. I would not buy a 8 and use a 6 line nor buy a 6 and use a 8 line. That overloads the tip. I would prefer a 5 or 6 for trout. Haven’t had experience with large steelhead but would imagine you could land one but would really wear it out! Sadly, there really isn’t just one rod that does it all. You might look for a good used rod at a local dealer or flyfishing club. I’d pay more for the one I use most. Say spring for a good Orvis Green Mountain or Rocky Mountain (2 piece rods around $200) and look for a cheaper rod if I were going to fish steel head only 1 or 2 times a year.

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