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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river?

Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river?

Norfork River Resort in Salesville, AR. Very nice, new cabins. Actually on the Norfork River, a tributary of the White, approximately 1 mile from the confluence. http://www.arkansas.com/attractions/attr_detail/r/Ozarks/id/90359/lr/…

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Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Excuses excuses. How can you become a flyfishing hermit when you are attentive to the needs of your loved ones? Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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I understand . . . LOL  . . . It looks like the first Sat I will be able to get away is going to be the 23rd.  . . . . wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuses excuses. How can you become a flyfishing hermit when you are attentive to the needs of your loved ones? Memphis Jim Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday  for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice  cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can  someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on  the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Check out http://www.mtnhome.net/brf/ Dale Fulton owns a fine fly shop in Mountain Home, AR, has access to guides, and has cabins on the river.  Also see http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ I have no direct relationship with Dale, other than I’ve shopped there, stayed in his lodge, and generally endorse him as a fine guy. Best, John. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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Fish report from Lake Isabella, California The bass bite is wide open on waterdogs and crawdads. A few fish on the big trout plugs and big plastics. Anglers are reporting catches of 15 to 20 fish per day, mostly in shallow water. Quite a few fish to 10-0 reported. The LakeIsabella Trout Derby will be April 15-17. There continues to be a fair trout bite at the dam. There is also a good catfish bite at Engineer’s Point and dam on shad and clams. Eric Cherry, Bakersfield, caught a stringer of cats from 2-0 to 3-0 on chicken liver and shrimp. Crappie and bluegill still slow. The trout bite remains good at Democrat Dam, Hobo and Richbar areas of the Kern River. DFG plants this week, two weeks ago, and four weeks ago. Salmon eggs, crickets, and nightcrawlers still the best baits, and a variety of lures are working. Also a few cats showing. Nicholas Whitesell, Bakersfield, landed a 5-12 catfish on anchovies. The bass action is also improving in the river with some quality fish showing from the bigger pools. Flows have been 585 to 72Ocfs. Aqueduct: Just fair striper action with a few bigger fish showing on Big Macs or other big plugs and minnows. Some smaller fish on bloodworms. A few cats starting  to show on shad, minnows, and anchovies. Michael Mays, Bakersfield, landed a 16-0 cat on minnows. Carlos Luna, Bakersfield, landed a 16-0 striper on a Castaic Soft Bait bluegill. Posted by: Rex http://www.lakeisabella.net

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Netminder wrote Fish report from Lake Isabella, California

[snip] I tried flyfishing there a week ago (never done that before) and got skunked.  I fished the stickups at the east end of Stine cove. Any recommendations on fly fishing the lake in a float tube?  (besides making sure I’m out of the water before 1 <g): patterns?  … areas? —                                                       -dnc-

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To whomever was requesting this info, I forgot that you can contact Ray

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Check out the links to New Zealand at http://www.davisbrown.com/ffgeo.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Plan to spend 3 weeks in South Island (late April – mid May). Would like some references on guides in South Island. Or alternatively, some web sites would help. Thanks Mike McGuire remove nospam to get correct e-mail address

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Plan to spend 3 weeks in South Island (late April – mid May). Would like some references on guides in South Island. Or alternatively, some web sites would help. Thanks Mike McGuire remove nospam to get correct e-mail address

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Go stay at the Lake Brunner Lodge near Greymouth.  Ray Grubb is owner/guide, etc.  Excellent fishing for big browns in tiny spring creeks, plus it’s a really nice, quaint, very atmospheric place to stay.  I loved it there.  Tell Ray I sent you.  In Queenstown there’s a guy, can’t remember his name, but he owns/runs the Naff Caff cafe.  Go there, ask for him and book him.  He’s good.     Try http://nz.com/cgi-bin/SearchCGI.pl.  It’s the Akiko Web, which is an NZ web engine. Or just go to someplace like the Mining Company and ask for New Zealand fly fishing.  You’ll get plenty of hits.

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My advise is, don’t fish it at all.  I’m still trying to get over a

leanard that I broke on an 8 inch stocked trout.  I did not hear a snap, nor felt a twang in the rod handle.  All of a sudden a foot of the tip section was slididng down the flyline.<BR Chances are your rod had a weak tip, a hook ding, or some other problem that finaly caused the tip to break.  One thing that will break any rod is putting too much of an arc on the tip when landing a fish – any fish.  And wiggling them around in your living room is a sure fire way to run into a wall or door with one and break the tip too. Graphite is hollow – most cane rods are solid (there are some hollow built cane rods out there) and cane is much stronger than you would think.  Lee Wulff landed many a salmon on a 6 foot cane rod.  They were once used for saltwater fsishing – and there are a good many cane spey rods in use today.  Tournament casters used Cane rods.  I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with you.  Cane rods are made for fishing. Al Manchester, NH

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Daylight Time – I have just bought one. Can anyone out there give me any tips on fishing the

thing?<< First – slow down your casting stroke.  It may take some getting used to, but if you learn to let the rod do the work for you, you will have a much better time of it. Never twist the ferrules when putting the rod together as you do with graphite.  Remember this little mantra for assembling and disasembling your rod:  Rod Together Hands Together – Rod Apart Hands Apart.  Push and pull – never twist. When fighting a heavy fish, try to turn the rod upside down for a bit of the fight.  A large fish can put a set in a cane rod – it’s rare but it can happen. Depending on the line weight of the rod, be careful throwing very heavy flies – weighted nymphs, wolly buggers – you get the idea.  My 6 weights will handle then quite well, but they put a strain on the 5 weights and below – especially those that are designated as Dry Fly actions with selicate tips.  It is a good way to break a tip. Always wipe the rod down after you finish using it and do let it dry for a day or so after fishing.  Never lean it against a wall or tree as this could cause a set too. Lastly – just fish the thing.  I have cane rods that were made in the 1930’s that still fish very well.  If a mishap should happen there are enough very good rod builders and restorers out there that getting it fixed will not be a big deal, and the price will be reasonable too. I fish cane rods almost exclusively now – and not the Paynes and Lenords – but Grangers and Heddons and South Bends – and dare i say it here – Orvis’s  - reasonably priced rods that still preform as well today as they did when they were made.  I enjoy the casting and the feel of a fish on cane.  Something that can not be duplicated in graphite – even in a Winston or T&T which are about as close to cane as you will get in graphite.  (when it comes to stripers you would have a hard time getting my PM10, Loomis or Sage away from me though – 8 9 10 wts) You are not going to throw 90 feet of line into a stiff breeze with most cane rods – but there is a magic in fishing them that can only be experianced.  Try it – you might just like it. Al Manchester NH

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You can tie right off to the top with a couple of overhand knots and a hank of line just a couple feet longer than the rod.  I like the little cork floats with the toothpicks.  Slide one of them up about 3 feet and set it. Don’t bother with snelled hooks, too expensive.  Just get a box of regular old bait hooks.   Add one (or none) small split shot about 8 inches above the hook.   Impale a shiner through the lips and holding your cane rod in one hand and the fish in the other sorta ’shwiang’ it on out there by a stump or pier foorting or the fender of that old Buick sunk out there and just pay real close attention to the cork.   When it goes under, give a sharp pull up and sorta ’shwiang’ the bluegill or perch or catfish right up on the bank.  When are ya goin’,  I’ll bring the hooch…. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Can anyone out there give me any tips on fishing the thing?

Sorry I forgot to sign my post Love&peace Mick Hendry

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Cane rods are for wiggling in your living room, PERIOD.

Thanks Pete I needed that , what line would you recommend for a 7 1/2 foot, no 6 1/2 foot rod  :( mick

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My advise is, don’t fish it at all.  I’m still trying to get over a leanard that I broke on an 8 inch stocked trout.  I did not hear a snap, nor felt a twang in the rod handle.  All of a sudden a foot of the tip section was slididng down the flyline. Cane rods are for wiggling in your living room, PERIOD.

Get real, people have been fishing these things since the turn of the century, they didn’t suddenly become fragile and useless when graphite was invented. I just spent 2.5 days fishing heavy nymphs and split shot on my 8.5′ Granger without any problems and lord knows there’s enough people out there who are fishing their cane rods fulltime for years and years without a problem. As for advice for the original poster, just remember to let your rod dry out — you can put it back in the case for the trip home but it’s usually a good idea to let the bag and rod dry for a day or two.  If you do encounter problems they’re usually related to the ferrules — just remember not to twist the rod when you’re seating the ferrules. And avoid those car doors… Good luck! TC

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having read the recent arguments about John Gierach over the recent months I read "Trout Bum" and enjoyed the idea of fishing cane rods so I have just bought one. Can anyone out there give me any tips on fishing the thing? Tips on playing,landing etc and how to care for the rod. I know I must keep it away  from the porcupines but there are not many up here in Yorkshire

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My advise is, don’t fish it at all.  I’m still trying to get over a leanard that I broke on an 8 inch stocked trout.  I did not hear a snap, nor felt a twang in the rod handle.  All of a sudden a foot of the tip section was slididng down the flyline. Cane rods are for wiggling in your living room, PERIOD. Pete C

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        I’ll second the Wekiva River Trip from Katie’s Landing.  Did that in a private boat last year with their shuttling….  Their’s is a good and responsible operation.  If you haven’t seen Florida rivers much this one’s a good intro.  I saw all the FL species of herons, plus limpkins, etc. on this run.         Joe P.

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If you want to drive a little further south (typically warmer as well) to North Palm Beach, you can rent Kayaks from The Adventure Times. They have regular guided tours to the Everglades and other local spots including intracoastal and ocean Call em at 407 881-7218 I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment. Thanks. Jason

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I go to the Cape Canaveral area often.  Fishing for redfish on the flats there is nice.  There is a non-powered only area north of 528 on the Bannanna river also.  You can rent from Extreme Sports, but they are not on the way, being about twenty south from the Cape.  Patrick AFB also rents to military types.  But all they have is small sit on tops.   If you want somethind exciting, the St Johns river, which runs from near the coast where I live, North through Deland.  The Manatees winter at Blue Springs by Deland.  They rent boats there. I’ve gone just North of lake Washington near the coast.  It is very small at that point, so all you will see is the occasional airboater.  The gators there are the biggest I’ve seen.  I fly helicopters for a living, so I’ve seen plenty.  They will probably be staying under the water in early Jan.  In late Feb, they are laying out.  Seeing them on the shore is not scary.  What is is when they shoot down the twenty foot wide stream right under your boat, leaving a wake like the Creature from the black lagoon. I will only take my big two person there, as my 14′ single might lead a big bull gator to think "Yea, I can take him".  

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for … Jason

PalnJones is right on with Wekiva.  This is a fantastic paddle (for Florida-no ww).  There is a Wekiva State Park & they rent canoes (not sure about kayaks) through a concessionaire (Kings Landings Canoe).   Kings Landing is the Place to put in and go to the Marina (I’ve been, I had my own kayak with me).  Fabulous river (for Florida).  There is a kayak/canoe/outdoor store in Orlando called something like Travel Country – in yellow pages under canoes – they can help with directions & maybe rentals.  It is 10-20 mile paddle depending where you go and the Kings Landing folks will run shuttle for you. kevin

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment.

Jason: I would second the recommendation David made about Wekiva Springs; just north of Orlando but literally a wilderness area along the edges of the city.  Wekiva State Park has a well stocked canoe livery and there is also a private company called Katies Wekiva River Landing that rents canoes.  Katies has routes of 6, 9, 12 or 19 miles.  I’ve hiked all along Wekiva and have seen the operation…very professional.  However, I personally have not taken the trips.  Never heard anything bad though.. Katies Info: Toll free from Orlando 628-1482      Other calls 407 332-4470 Ranger station Wekiwa River State Park    407 884-2009 If kayaking is your game, Travel Country Outdoors in Orlando 407 831-0777 does not rent anything but they do have a half day guided trip to Cape Canaveral NWR.  Another kayaking outfitter that does half-day guided trips (maybe rentals) is Agua Azul in Clearwater (near Tampa) 813 530-7555.  They have one trip "closer" to Orlando that is on the historic Hillsborough River out of the Tampa area.  It takes us 1.25 hours to get there from where we live near Disney.  My wife and I have done both of these trips and from a purely novice point of view had a GREAT TIME! Happy Holidays! Robert   Orlando

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment. Thanks. Jason

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment. Thanks. Jason

There is a nice flat water (what else would it be) paddle on the Wekiva River, putting on near Apopka.  The water is crystal clear, and we saw alligators (small) the time we did it. There is at least one canoe livery, but I don’t remember the name.  Check the Yellow Pages. David

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [some deleted] The gist was that FFF is in serious money trouble.  He didn’t give any details, so I don’t know how it happened, who is/are responsible, or what is being done to correct the situation, but one thing the organization is doing is raising annual dues to $29.00 to counter a dramatic decrease in membership. Greetings Granite. What on earth could the FFF done that would result in a *dramatic decrease* in membership ? "Hmmm….", he ponders deeply. Very interesting indeed. Is "the new flyfishing craze that is sweeping America" ebbing ? One can only hope. TimW

Amen to that.  I’m ready to pounce on all that barely used second-hand gear that will undoubtedly flood the classifieds if such an ebb occurs. Brett

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Here is a forwarded response for wondering readers: To: Dave Richards Dave: A copy of your note about the Federation’s troubles was forwarded to me tonight, and I thought your questions deserved an answer. The simple answers are: — Yes, the Federation has financial problems. Who doesn’t? — Yes, membership is down. But that can be remedied. — No, we’re not even close to shutting down. Frankly, I see too many opportunities to even think about closing shop. I stepped in as president in August, not because I have any wish to preside over the Federation’s demise, but because there are so many things I want to do. And I intend to be quite aggressive in doing them. A few examples: — The FFF Clubwire. Quite an innovative news service intended to help club and council newsletter editors, who in the past have had to beg, borrow, steal material to fill their pages. Now, they have routine access to information from the Federation about education activities, conservation issues, Federation news and fly-fishing in general. This free service is available by E-mail to every FFF chapter and has been getting enthusiastic response since its introduction this past summer. — The Flyfisher is being redesigned to deliver a more-targeted message to our members. You’ll see the first changes in this upcoming issue. — You mentioned the upcoming increase in dues, but you’ve been given misleading information about the reason. I asked the board of directors in August to approve the increase, not to bail out our finances, but to allow the national office to begin paying money back to the councils. Simply put, national will rebate $5 back to the councils for every member they add as off Aug. 1, 1996. I don’t deny that I hope such a program will inspire the councils to work harder to generate more members, but the reasons go beyond that. The councils carry a great deal of responsibility and do a lot of the Federation’s work, and it’s about time they started getting some financial support from national. — In the past year or so, we’ve distributed something like $20,000-$25,000 in free rods and lines for clubs to use in their education programs. Perhaps you’re more interested in conservation matters. If so, it’s that much more important to keep the Federation around. We were instrumental in having the National Marine Fisheries Service invoke the Endangered Species Act in protecting West Coast steelhead this year; we sponsored the first symposium ever on saving searun cutthroat trout; we have been active in banning gill nets along the Gulf of Mexico; we joined a coalition to get the Magnuson Act reauthorized by Congress; we are sponsors of next year’s Wild Trout symposium; we are the experts on the relicensing of hydro dams and have been especially effective with this issue in the Great Lakes area; and we were an important voice in opposing the New World Mine adjacent to Yellowstone Park. And in a couple weeks, we’re hosting the only public forum (via our newly opened International Fly Fishing Center) designed to explain what’s going on with the damaged spring creeks near Livingston, Mont. We won’t take sides in this difficult situation, but we think it’s important that everyone have the chance to hear all the arguments. Please accept my apologies if I’m pummeling you with stuff. But I’m at work, it’s late and I’m trying to go home. If you still need answers, let me know. I’m happy to give them. In the meantime, let me assure you that the problems we face can and will be handled, and you’re going to see a much more active Federation than you might have otherwise expected. And pardon me if I revert to one of my favorite Mark Twain quotes: The news of our death is much exaggerated. Regards, Tom Jindra

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I received a fairly disturbing communique recently from the head of the local chapter of the Federation of Fly Fishers.  I’m not sure when it arrived since I was out of town for a couple of weeks.  It could be old news, although I doubt it. The gist was that FFF is in serious money trouble.  He didn’t give any details, so I don’t know how it happened, who is/are responsible, or what is being done to correct the situation, but one thing the organization is doing is raising annual dues to $29.00 to counter a dramatic decrease in membership. I’m also a member of another national orgainzation unrelated to fly fishing that has undergone a similar near-disaster and has recovered.  In that case the financial disaster was directly related to bad advice from a tax attorney and fiscal incompetence on the part of the yahoos running the show.  It seems likely that something similar has tripped up FFF. I’m not interested in pointing fingers, except to say that the people responsible for mismanagement need to be put someplace where they can do no further harm and replaced with others who have a bit more savvy.  Then there is also the question of whether the organization can or even should be saved. Are there any FFF members out there with more info?  Please email me directly. Dave Richards

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[some deleted] The gist was that FFF is in serious money trouble.  He didn’t give any details, so I don’t know how it happened, who is/are responsible, or what is being done to correct the situation, but one thing the organization is doing is raising annual dues to $29.00 to counter a dramatic decrease in membership.

Greetings Granite. What on earth could the FFF done that would result in a *dramatic decrease* in membership ? "Hmmm….", he ponders deeply. Very interesting indeed. Is "the new flyfishing craze that is sweeping America" ebbing ?   One can only hope. TimW

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: The gist was that FFF is in serious money trouble.  He didn’t give any : details, so I don’t know how it happened, who is/are responsible, or what : is being done to correct the situation, but one thing the organization is : doing is raising annual dues to $29.00 to counter a dramatic decrease in : membership. Taxes? : I’m also a member of another national orgainzation unrelated to fly : fishing that has undergone a similar near-disaster and has recovered.  In : that case the financial disaster was directly related to bad advice from : a tax attorney and fiscal incompetence on the part of the yahoos running : the show.  It seems likely that something similar has tripped up FFF. Mmmmm, attorney-types, financial institutions, fiscal incompetence, and "yahoos" running the show. : I’m not interested in pointing fingers, except to say that the people : responsible for mismanagement need to be put someplace where they can do : no further harm and replaced with others who have a bit more savvy.  Then : there is also the question of whether the organization can or even should : be saved. I think ‘Merica is worth saving! : Are there any FFF members out there with more info?  Please email me : directly. : Dave Richards Not to muddy up Dave’s request for info, but reading his post looks like a study in current politics. It REALLY stood out. You’re on to something Dave. Remove all the incompetent leeches and start over. Bill You’re either for Perot-type changes or YOU are the problem.

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Let’s say you just bought 100 of the prettiest acres ever put up for sale…

Hello Sandy, Give up on the scheme and settle in for the long haul. You should have more than a hundred acres if you want to start a subdivision. Or make your subdivision somewhere where you’re not ruining what you came for, like Billings. Let the beavers have the run of the place.  Beavers are more desireable than Californians.  It will be more valuable as a natural place.  If you don’t subdivide and develop it, we Californians will pay you decent money to fish it for a day or two and then best of all we will go home.   If you let me fish it free next summer I’ll make you a painting of it. I’ll leave out the houses and I can leave out the lake too if you wish. Mark Vinsel Oakland, CA http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

Whoa! I think the ref tossed a flag on that remark… (At this rate, it’s gonna be a  l o n g  winter! ;^) Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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Mark, How badly you dissappoint! When I saw your topic I thought, "Well, this doesn’t belong in this Newsgroup either but it would be a hell of a lot more interesting to discuss". Maybe you and Fletch and T-bone and all the others who participate in the peta and tree hugging discourses should start your "rec.fishing.rag" group. It’s tough to eat beaver then, too.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FLY FISHING AND EVEN FLY TYING GROUP and all I see is nonsense other than what is supposed to be discussed here. Beaver dubbing is used to make a great pattern called the Adams.  It is also (grey and very fine and it dubs terrifically) used in gray nymphs and a varied number of flies well worth everyone’s attention. Beaver is not tough to eat if you pat it first. (Actually, par-boil) George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Lets get back to fly fishing!

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We have had reports of steelhead being caught on flies in several rivers. The Umpqua, Deschutes and Rogue rivers have produced for some of our customers in the last few weeks. I like September/October for the best water temperatures. If the water is in the 55/65 degree range you will have steelhead really moving to the fly. In the winter the water can get into the under 50 degree range which really makes it hard for most fly fishers to catch steelhead. Don’t get me wrong, you can catch fish in the winter, Dec/Jan/Feb, it is just a little harder to get the fish to move to the fly. Early and late in the day is prime time for swinging flies on or near the surface for steelhead. Fishing with the sun off the water is the normal rule. After the sun hit the water you can get down to the bottom with any method you can. Fall steelhead can be found in many rivers from northern California to British Columbia. Steelhead are a treasure only found in North America and should never be taken for a trophy or dinner. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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   I have been told by the steelhead experts at my favorite local flyshop that if/when the steelhead goes on the endangered list that all hatcheries will be shut down and sportfishing will be prohibited.  Call me a pessimist, but if this is true, I think it’s too bad that we will just stand around on the bank with our hands in our pockets while the last few steelhead in the lower 48 die.  After all, sportfishing has little or nothing to do with the decline in the population and we are surely dreaming if we think the dams will come down in time.    By the way, any predictions or advice for the Clearwater in late October? -al

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Steelhead are a treasure only found in North America and should never be taken for a trophy or dinner. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

Great post!  However, I take issue with the last sentence.  I make a large distinction between wild (i.e. unmarked) and hatchery fish.  I used to release most hatchery fish and all wild fish.  I still release all wild fish, but now retain all hatchery fish – if for no other reason than to prevent the possible breeding between hatchery and wild fish.  We have to preserve wild stocks so that there is something to left when the hatchery fish all die off from disease. cheers, -tony gades — Tony Gades website:   http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades

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Steelhead are a treasure only found in North America and should never be

taken for a trophy or dinner. Every hatchery Steelhead should be taken when ever legal. T Wolf

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steelhead are a treasure only found in North America and should never be taken for a trophy or dinner. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA Great post!  However, I take issue with the last sentence.  I make a large distinction between wild (i.e. unmarked) and hatchery fish.  I used to release most hatchery fish and all wild fish.  I still release all wild fish, but now retain all hatchery fish – if for no other reason than to prevent the possible breeding between hatchery and wild fish.  We have to preserve wild stocks so that there is something to left when the hatchery fish all die off from disease. cheers, -tony gades — Tony Gades website:   http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades

Responsible citizens have a social duty to remove inferior specimens from the gene pool.  Releasing hatchery fish to genetically pollute wild stodks is an abdication of that responsibility.   Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have had reports of steelhead being caught on flies in several rivers. The Umpqua, Deschutes and Rogue rivers have produced for some of our customers in the last few weeks. I like September/October for the best water temperatures. If the water is in the 55/65 degree range you will have steelhead really moving to the fly. In the winter the water can get into the under 50 degree range which really makes it hard for most fly fishers to catch steelhead. Don’t get me wrong, you can catch fish in the winter, Dec/Jan/Feb, it is just a little harder to get the fish to move to the fly. Early and late in the day is prime time for swinging flies on or near the surface for steelhead. Fishing with the sun off the water is the normal rule. After the sun hit the water you can get down to the bottom with any method you can. Fall steelhead can be found in many rivers from northern California to British Columbia. Steelhead are a treasure only found in North America and should never be taken for a trophy or dinner. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

I was lucky to have fished for steelhead with some good anglers in the 60’s and 70’s when it was not that hard to catch them. It is very sad to see what has happened to their habitat. I have old friends, Joe Shirshac and Walt Bennette, that started fly fishing for steelhead just after WWII. They have some wonderful stories and pictures from the good old days. I agree that all wild steelhead should be released and all hatchery fish should be taken. I wish that we could start with a few good rivers and blow the dams out. If we had some decent water and a wild river I think in time runs would come back. I will be out on the American river the next few weeks looking for our half-pounder run that is best in September. I have fished for these little fish for 35 years. They run 16" plus and are great friends. I have caught them over 5 pounds on a dry fly and 7 pounds on a wet. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I am in the process of opening a new fly shop and would like to know of some fly wholesalers.  Please E-mail me with any info.  Shop owners, your help would be greatly appreciated.  THANKS

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I am in the process of opening a new fly shop and would like to know of some fly wholesalers.  Please E-mail me with any info.  Shop owners, your help would be greatly appreciated.  THANKS

Hi Dan Bailey’s is a good source of wholesale flies. Call 800-356-4052. Good Luck. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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