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I have 4 floating fly lines (DT5 and DT4 sizes) that have been on reels since they were last used in 1985.  They were never used very hard (maybe 2 to 3 weeks each year for about 5 years), and I would like to save them if I can.  I’m not sure of the manufacturer, but I know they were "premier" lines. My concerns are (1) they are dirty and will not float, and (2) they will have a permamnent "curly" set to the size of the spool.  Can they be salvaged (cleaned and straightened), and how?

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I have 4 floating fly lines (DT5 and DT4 sizes) that have been on reels since they were last used in 1985.  They were never used very hard (maybe 2 to 3 weeks each year for about 5 years), and I would like to save them if I can.  I’m not sure of the manufacturer, but I know they were "premier" lines. My concerns are (1) they are dirty and will not float, and (2) they will have a permamnent "curly" set to the size of the spool.  Can they be salvaged (cleaned and straightened), and how?

I managed to save an old level sinking line that I found in my mum’s basement.  I had purchased the line in ‘70 and tried it a few times then wound it up in a skein and tossed it in a box.  When I found it, it was hopelessly kinked and dirty.  After repeated applications, this cheap line ended up looking new. I lated cut it up and used it for sinking heads. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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You could try washing them in plain soap and water, drying them, and coating them. 3M makes a nice line cleaning kit. You may be able to remove the curls by holding about 3-4 feet of  between your hands, pulling tightly, the taking the next 3-4 feet and repeating. Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My concerns are (1) they are dirty and will not float, and (2) they will have a permamnent "curly" set to the size of the spool.  Can they be salvaged (cleaned and straightened), and how?

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there are a number of good line treatment products on the market that should help restore your line – Russ Peak’s Glide works well as does Gherke’s Pz. Apply a small amount to a clean soft cloth and run the line through the cloth several times under hand tension. Prior washing in mild soapy water and running through a moist cloth will remove a lot of dirt as well. recently I’ve found Scotch brand micro fibre cloths very effective for cleaning fly lines. RalphH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have 4 floating fly lines (DT5 and DT4 sizes) that have been on reels since they were last used in 1985.  They were never used very hard (maybe 2 to 3 weeks each year for about 5 years), and I would like to save them if I can.  I’m not sure of the manufacturer, but I know they were "premier" lines. My concerns are (1) they are dirty and will not float, and (2) they will have a permamnent "curly" set to the size of the spool.  Can they be salvaged (cleaned and straightened), and how?

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  Does a wf-3 work on the three forks rod, or does it do better with a 4wt?

I prefer a 3WF with my 3WT Three Forks rod. Some people (at least one, anyway) think that WF lines are a marketing scam, and that you’re a fool unless you buy a DT and cut it in half.

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I prefer a 3WF with my 3WT Three Forks rod. Some people (at least one, anyway) think that WF lines are a marketing scam, and that you’re a fool unless you buy a DT and cut it in half.

Well, I ain’t no fool and I didn’t cut my DT in half.  I folded it over and can now cast two flies without using a dropper.  Hah!  Doesn’t load very well though.  Kinda gets stuck in the guides. Ya, know, sitting here, writing this, I think of those long nights around a campfire at a clave and trying to figure out who would jump up and try this after it was mentioned.  Okay, so that would mean you use a DT4 on a 8wt rod for it to load?  Who’s gonna be the first to make a fly rod with spinning rod guides so we can do this?  Why is Miami wearing those god-awful uniforms? Frank "Eggnog and Tequila" Reid Reverse email to reply

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Well, I ain’t no fool and I didn’t cut my DT in half.  I folded it over and can now cast two flies without using a dropper.  Hah!  Doesn’t load very well though.  Kinda gets stuck in the guides. Ya, know, sitting here, writing this, I think of those long nights around a campfire at a clave and trying to figure out who would jump up and try this after it was mentioned.  

Sorry to hear that Frank. Okay, so that would mean you use a DT4 on a 8wt rod for it to load?  Who’s gonna be the first to make a fly rod with spinning rod guides so we can do this?  

One of Peter’s canons or a saltwater 10wt should be able to cope with a couple of 5wts.  or 3x 4’s on a 12 … or … Why is Miami wearing those god-awful uniforms?

Marketing.  Uniforms must change regularly for to maintain sales.   Occasionally (every other change of strip IME) someone gets it wrong, hence the god-awfulness. Frank "Eggnog and Tequila" Reid

Cripes, they must be if  they look bad after eggnog and tequila! Steve

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  If you have any questions ask these guys they know what they are talking about. Zack  

Well, at least about ff. Russell

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I live on a boat and my mom wrote a book of activities for kids to do while on the water. Needless to say, I do a lot of fishing.As for the my family’s domain name

And a fine one it is. Does your mom know you read ROFF? If I were 14, it would intimidate the heck out of me! — TL, Tim (Just between you and me, these guys aren’t NEAR as scary in person.)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a web site for a boating activity book written for families who enjoy being on the water. Seems harmless to me. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . . Dave, what the helly are you talking about? The kid’s family has a  domain name… and? What’s so freaking sinister about that? Paranoia is alive and well, eh? — TL, Tim I live on a boat and my mom wrote a book of activities for kids to do while on the water. Needless to say, I do a lot of fishing.As for the my family’s domain name Alex

Alex, Sorry if I weirded you out with my prior post.  You just keep asking questions,  of anybody and everybody who will listen. That is how I tried to do it.  Still trying. . . many . . . many years beyond 14. BestWishes, DaveMohnsen Denver

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I live on a boat and my mom wrote a book of activities for kids to  do while on the water. Needless to say, I do a lot of fishing.As for  the my family’s domain name And a fine one it is. Does your mom know you read ROFF? If I were 14, it would intimidate the heck out of me!

What is ROFF? I have been trying to figure it out. Is it some kind of accronym? I acctualy have done a little Fly fishing with a cheap wal-mart set, but the level line is really hard to cast, and its a little heavy for small stream work. Does a wf-3 work on the three forks rod, or does it do better with a 4wt? Thanks, Alex

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Why is Miami wearing those god-awful uniforms? Frank "Eggnog and Tequila" Reid Cripes, they must be if  they look bad after eggnog and tequila! Steve

I’ve spewed better colors and I think I will again soon. Nighty nite – — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Why is Miami wearing those god-awful uniforms? Frank "Eggnog and Tequila" Reid Cripes, they must be if  they look bad after eggnog and tequila! Steve I’ve spewed better colors and I think I will again soon.

*splork* Nighty nite –

hooroo Frank, 2:30 PM here and not a bad day weather wise. Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I prefer a 3WF with my 3WT Three Forks rod. Some people (at least one, anyway) think that WF lines are a marketing scam, and that you’re a fool unless you buy a DT and cut it in half. Well, I ain’t no fool and I didn’t cut my DT in half.  I folded it over and can now cast two flies without using a dropper.  Hah!  Doesn’t load very well though.  Kinda gets stuck in the guides. Ya, know, sitting here, writing this, I think of those long nights around a campfire at a clave and trying to figure out who would jump up and try this after it was mentioned.  Okay, so that would mean you use a DT4 on a 8wt rod for it to load?  Who’s gonna be the first to make a fly rod with spinning rod guides so we can do this?  Why is Miami wearing those god-awful uniforms? Frank "Eggnog and Tequila" Reid Reverse email to reply

<splork! Russell Thinking perhaps Frank had done a few too many Full Reids.

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel, rio classic 3wt line, and am looking to get the much talked about Cabelas three forks 3wt. What i was wondering is: Is this a good outfit for a beginer who will be fishing mostly small sreams? Is the three forks rod a fast or slow action, and how much does it weigh? Any help would be much appreciated, Alex

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel, rio classic 3wt line, and am looking to get the much talked about Cabelas three forks 3wt. What i was wondering is: Is this a good outfit for a beginer who will be fishing mostly small sreams? Is the three forks rod a fast or slow action, and how much does it weigh? Any help would be much appreciated, Alex

Hi Alex, from a collector and user of Three Forks rods, I highly recommend the 3 wt 3 piece..it’s a 7 footer and ought to be ideal for fishing small streams. I can’t tell you for sure what it weighs, but it is a light rod and one you can handle with no problem. I would class this rod in the medium action, maybe even a tad on the slow side of medium. In any event, how could you go wrong with a rod that costs 40 bucks?  If it turns out you are not happy with it, Cabela’s has a liberal return policy, so you really are risking nothing. All the guys here who have purchased and used the rod seem to be happy with it, including me. Good luck, and let us know how this works out for you. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Combo Model Length Pieces Weight Qty Price 763 7′6" 3 3  $49.99 805 8′ 2 5  $49.99 865 8′6" 2 5  $49.99 866 8′6" 2 6  $49.99 907 9′ 2 7  $49.99 908 9′ 2 8  $49.99

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel, rio classic 3wt line, and am looking to get the much talked about Cabelas three forks 3wt. What i was wondering is: Is this a good outfit for a beginer who will be fishing mostly small sreams? Is the three forks rod a fast or slow action, and how much does it weigh? Any help would be much appreciated,

Based on what their web site says, it’s probably a medium to medium/slow rod.  That might be just what you want.  Or you might find your casting style tends toward a faster rod.  If you don’t like it, return it and try a faster one.  I would usually recommend a 4 wt. as the lightest beginners should try.  Lighter than that it starts getting hard to control the line because it’s so light.  For small streams, you’ll be making a lot of short 10-25 foot casts.  Remember that a rod is rated at about 30 feet of line in the air.  I recommend you get a spare spool (inexpensive for Clearwaters) and get a 4 wt line as well if you can afford it.  Then try both lines on the rod.  In any case, even if you return the rod for a different action or size, you’ll still be in good shape.  You’ll probably own another rod someday anyway if you stick with the sport

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What is ROFF? I have been trying to figure it out. Is it some kind of accronym? I acctualy have done a little Fly fishing with a cheap wal-mart set, but the level line is really hard to cast, and its a little heavy for small stream work. Does a wf-3 work on the three forks rod, or does it do better with a 4wt? Thanks, Alex

The WF-3 line will do just fine on the Three Forks rod Alex, assuming you get the Three Forks 3 wt rod. There is a whole line of Three Forks rods, from 3 wt up thru 8 wt. You could overline the rod with a WF-4, but given the kind of fishing you’ll be doing, I don’t see the necessity of that. ROFF is the initials of the usenet group, Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly, now do it make sense? Frank Church

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What is ROFF? I have been trying to figure it out. Is it some kind of accronym? I acctualy have done a little Fly fishing with a cheap wal-mart set, but the level line is really hard to cast, and its a little heavy for small stream work. Does a wf-3 work on the three forks rod, or does it do better with a 4wt? Thanks, Alex

The WF 3 should be fine on your 3wt rod.  Often, the older rods would be "over lined" with a heavier line to get the max benefit.  Most modern rods are matched to the line weight marked on them.  Keep it simple and keep the 3wt line. ROFF stands for Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly, the newsgroup you are in.  You may also read about ROFFT, which is ROFF.tying or ABPF: alt.binaries.pictures.fishing. Welcome to the sport, your soul now belongs to the stream and your wallet to the tackle retailers. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel, rio classic 3wt line, and am looking to get the much talked about Cabelas three forks 3wt. What i was wondering is: Is this a good outfit for a beginer who will be fishing mostly small sreams? Is the three forks rod a fast or slow action, and how much does it weigh? Any help would be much appreciated, Alex

It is cool to see some other people around my age getting into the sport. I started when I was 13. I am now 16, and the same rod I bought then 7′6 3 wt Sage DS series I still am using, I have had numerous chances to buy another supposedly better rod, but there are way to many memories put into that rod. I am sure your first rod will be the same. Good luck in all your fishing. Stay with it at first and you will a fly fishing addict like the members of this post. If you have any questions ask these guys they know what they are talking about. Zack  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a web site for a boating activity book written for families who enjoy being on the water. Seems harmless to me. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . . Dave, what the helly are you talking about? The kid’s family has a  domain name… and? What’s so freaking sinister about that? Paranoia is alive and well, eh? — TL, Tim

I live on a boat and my mom wrote a book of activities for kids to do while on the water. Needless to say, I do a lot of fishing.As for the my family’s domain name Alex

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel, rio classic 3wt line, and am looking to get the much talked about Cabelas three forks 3wt. What i was wondering is: Is this a good outfit for a beginer who will be fishing mostly small sreams? Is the three forks rod a fast or slow action, and how much does it weigh? Any help would be much appreciated, Alex

I bought the 7 1/2 foot three piece 3wt. a few months ago as a backup for a trip to North Carolina.  I haven’t actually fished with it yet, but I spent an hour or so test casting it side by side with a two piece St. Croix Legend Ultra in the same length and weight.  The Cabela’s rod definitely has a slower action, which is a considerable advantage when fishing a very short line.  The rod loads easier with twenty feet or less of line out.  With a moderate to long line….up to about fifty feet, I could detect no significant difference in performance.  For those who like to cast a really long line, and are able to, I suspect that the stiffer St. Croix will perform better, but that’s not what a short three weight is for anyway. The weight of this rod is not printed anywhere on the rod itself, and a glance at Cabela’s website didn’t turn up any information either.  But, aside from satisfying curiosity, the weight of a small rod like this one really isn’t much of an issue…..ALL short three weights are going to be VERY light. One serious shortcoming of this rod hasn’t been mentioned yet in this thread.  A number of people have mentioned that the reel seat has a tendency to come off.  As a matter of fact, the components for the reel seat are obviously cheap, and this is a serious drawback at least in terms of esthetics.  However, I believe that all those who have suffered this mishap were able to fix it pretty easily with a bit of epoxy. Good luck and let us know how it works for you. Wolfgang

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel, rio classic 3wt line, and am looking to get the much talked about Cabelas three forks 3wt. What i was wondering is: Is this a good outfit for a beginer who will be fishing mostly small sreams? Is the three forks rod a fast or slow action, and how much does it weigh? Any help would be much appreciated, Alex

I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . . Any 14 year old now days normally uses a spell checker better than us, and it is automatic, and they have better computers than most of us. . .when they were younger. Coincidence perhaps? Yeh . . .I guess so. But nice to know some of youse guys can be nice, DaveMohnsen Denver

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Hi, I am a 14 year old kid who has just bought a clearwater 3/4 reel,

    (considerate, thoughtful advice to newbie snipped) Good luck and let us know how it works for you. Wolfgang

    now, see there:  you *can* be a nice man! yfitons wayno  (but it ain’t like i’m gonna hold my breath waiting for the next exemplar…)

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I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . .

Dave, what the helly are you talking about? The kid’s family has a domain name… and? What’s so freaking sinister about that? –Steve

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I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . . Dave, what the helly are you talking about? The kid’s family has a domain name… and? What’s so freaking sinister about that?

Paranoia is alive and well, eh? — TL, Tim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . . Dave, what the helly are you talking about? The kid’s family has a domain name… and? What’s so freaking sinister about that? Paranoia is alive and well, eh? — TL, Tim

Heh . . .heh.  I guess you’re right.  Uh . . .and why are you watching my posts anyway? . . .Geesh they are everywhere! Dave (cripes . . .can’t even post on the internet anymore without people reading my drivel. ’spect we’ll even see surveillance cameras soon . . .I’ll keep looking to warn ya all . . .they’re comin’ I tell ya . . .they’re comin’ . . .sshhsh . . .quiet . . did you hear somethin’? . . .I think they are even in the ‘puters!)

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It’s a web site for a boating activity book written for families who enjoy being on the water. Seems harmless to me. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I dunno guys. . .  you were very gracious in your info.  But . . . Dave, what the helly are you talking about? The kid’s family has a domain name… and? What’s so freaking sinister about that? Paranoia is alive and well, eh? — TL, Tim

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I’ve fished lake with a worm and stuff from shore but this flyfishing thing sounds cool and I wanted to know how to get started.  You see Christmas is coming soon and I’ve been good this year.  I need to tell Santa what I want so he can check it once and check it twice.  What do I need to get started and how do I get started?  I don’t want a lump of coal in my sock this years. JA

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http://ezflyfish.com/outfits1.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve fished lake with a worm and stuff from shore but this flyfishing thing sounds cool and I wanted to know how to get started.  You see Christmas is coming soon and I’ve been good this year.  I need to tell Santa what I want so he can check it once and check it twice.  What do I need to get started and how do I get started?  I don’t want a lump of coal in my sock this years. JA

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I’ve fished lake with a worm and stuff from shore but this flyfishing thing sounds cool and I wanted to know how to get started.

Josh, someone already posted the link to where you can get the gear (ezflyfish.com), but here are some links to info which you might find helpful. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://www.anglinguk.net/beginners/fly.htm http://www.iflyshop.com/flyfishing-beginners.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/begin/101/ http://www.fishin.com/sale/woodsandwaters/articles/fly-fish-beginners.ht m http://home.mcn.net/~n2trout/mff/flyfishi.htm http://www.flyshop.com/skills/ — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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What might be the way to go, is to join you local fly fishing club, or hire the local fly fishing pro to take you fishing and see what gear is being used on your home waters.  What you buy will depend on what you are fishing for, how much money you want to invest, and personal tastes.   Padishar Creel — Hard not to suggest a rod or two for him…

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A good way to get started with quality yet low priced gear (IMHO) is to check out the rod combo’s at Cabelas (www.cabelas.com). For +- $100 you can get into a rod that you can fish for a few years, see if you like the sport and then upgrade. I would start with a 9′ 5wt. Its a nice all-purpose rod. Well, as close to all-purpose as one can get. I personally think 3 rods in the minimum. I have a 7′ 3wt for small water, a  9′ 5wt for bigger water and a 9′ 8wt for steelheadin’. Just my $.02, Randy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve fished lake with a worm and stuff from shore but this flyfishing thing sounds cool and I wanted to know how to get started.  You see Christmas is coming soon and I’ve been good this year.  I need to tell Santa what I want so he can check it once and check it twice.  What do I need to get started and how do I get started?  I don’t want a lump of coal in my sock this years. JA

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your local flyshop guy can help if you can tell him the kind/size fish you are going after and your budget…in my opinion, spend more on a rod and less on a reel…it is really your most important tool and makes a big difference…avoid the temptation to go too light…when I started fly fishing with some seriousness, I used a 6 weight Fenwick rod and a cheap reel.  It was a little heavy for the stream I was fishing, but it was an easy rod to learn to cast with.  My brother, Salvelinas Fontinalis, uses that rod now and is as happy about it as I was before he got his hands on it.  I’ve since bought more rods than you want to know and spend most of my streamside time with a Ted Knott bamboo rod, 4/5 weight, 7′, which has become a good friend.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A good way to get started with quality yet low priced gear (IMHO) is to check out the rod combo’s at Cabelas (www.cabelas.com). For +- $100 you can get into a rod that you can fish for a few years, see if you like the sport and then upgrade. I would start with a 9′ 5wt. Its a nice all-purpose rod. Well, as close to all-purpose as one can get. I personally think 3 rods in the minimum. I have a 7′ 3wt for small water, a  9′ 5wt for bigger water and a 9′ 8wt for steelheadin’. Just my $.02, Randy I’ve fished lake with a worm and stuff from shore but this flyfishing thing sounds cool and I wanted to know how to get started.  You see Christmas is coming soon and I’ve been good this year.  I need to tell Santa what I want so he can check it once and check it twice.  What do I need to get started and how do I get started?  I don’t want a lump of coal in my sock this years. JA

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I posted in too much haste, I was just too excited about his possibilities. I am afraid I was too insulting.  I did not mean to imply that he wasn’t already famous. I will use it no matter what he calls it although I would have to think about it if it was "Missed-Bass Knot".  I have too many reminders of that now. AL

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1 Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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It’s all good AL. I can take it…been there, done that. — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted in too much haste, I was just too excited about his possibilities. I am afraid I was too insulting.  I did not mean to imply that he wasn’t already famous. I will use it no matter what he calls it although I would have to think about it if it was "Missed-Bass Knot".  I have too many reminders of that now. AL Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1 Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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You’ve got a point there ol’ W1 but maybe I should take this opportunity to explain my screen name. I’m always taking the brunt of fishing jokes/tales, yet those that mock me ask advice. Hence "Missed-A-Bass" (say it fast 3 times.. sounds like Mr. Bass don’t ya think?) I think that’s called an Al-go-rhythm.    LMAO! — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1 Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz

[PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY]

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Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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If you want to do more "research’ [Bob, you will find your description given there by one of the posters] on this go to:  http://www.sport-fish-info.com/wwwboard/messages/9012.html One thing you will find they are as confused as we can become on this board. I suspect it is as CA Bill states it is currently called San Diego Knot when it is doubled but it is still in my opinion a variance of a Pitzen Knot which no one on that board seems to have a hint of either.  I am sorry I can’t find my notes on the history of this knot but Pitzen was a long ago German fisher that the credit I saw was given to him for devising this knot. The variations of this knot are used by Tuna fishers on the West Coast, for one, and they are well convinced that this is basically a good, reliable, and strong knot, no matter the variance in tying it. If I ever find my ‘brain’ for the history of  the Pitzen Knot I will post, but don’t hold your breath. I also use a  loop knot as a companion to the Pitzen Knot because I remove or do not use split rings for attaching line to lure.  I use the Buffer Loop Knot for quick and easy tie of a Loop or for confidence I use the Rapala Loop, however,  I have made mistakes tying the Rapala Loop and the lure came loose.  Hence, the trade off in getting too complicated in knot tying techniques. AL

Al, after thinking about it a few minutes and looking at the link Shawn provided [a link to Pitzen Knot, AL] I realized you are right.  Might dub

it the double Pitzen knot, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – until Tony claims the right to name it himself. snip

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Al, after thinking about it a few minutes and looking at the link Shawn provided, I realized you are right.  Might dub it the double Pitzen knot, until Tony claims the right to name it himself. Have never had one break off, unless I forgot to retie between trips and the line had deteriorated.  Because of the doubled line and its cinching power, it slips less than any other knot I have used on spinnerbaits. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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the Pitzen Knot I will post, but don’t hold your breath.

OK, Overcame my tunnel vision,  Jamie probably saw this!  It is at the bottom of the sites description that he posted. "The Pitzen knot, Invented by Edgar Pitzenbauer of Germany is easy to tie with a little practice, and results in a knot the [sic] retains 95-100% of the tippet’s rated strength as opposed to 65% for a Clinch knot.  The Pitzen knot is also smaller by about 40%" AL

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Ya know it’s a funny thing….while driving today I was thinking of the Pitzen knot. Back 2-3 years ago when I was learning to tie fishing knots I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz and couldn’t remember what the heck I was doing. The only difference is I would run the tag through the hook eye one more time, just before threading it through the original loop, then snug it up. Once I learned the Palomar I forgot everything else. So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Al, after thinking about it a few minutes and looking at the link Shawn provided, I realized you are right.  Might dub it the double Pitzen knot, until Tony claims the right to name it himself. Have never had one break off, unless I forgot to retie between trips and the line had deteriorated.  Because of the doubled line and its cinching power, it slips less than any other knot I have used on spinnerbaits. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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The San Diego knot is similar, but you run the line through the loop by the eye first, before the one at the top. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And for those of you who would like to see the Pitzen knot, try this… www.agron.missouri.edu/flyfishing/pitzen.html — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL

.snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop

knots.

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And for those of you who would like to see the Pitzen knot, try this… www.agron.missouri.edu/flyfishing/pitzen.html — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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I was just reading the knot thread from mid-March, and I’ve got some more questions. I wanted to know if there’s a resource that has some real statistics on breaking strength of different knots (and also considerations as to their appropriateness with different # test monos). Also, I conducted a little experiment with knot comparisons: I had two key-ring sized split-rings, and I tied two different knots on each side (8# test). I yanked them apart until something gave. I only compared the Trilene, Palomar, Improved Clinch, and Rapala (loop). My informal (and unrecorded) findings of order of strength, highest to lowest. *Trilene *Palomar (usually was beaten by the Trilene) *Improved Clinch (pretty low breaking strength) *Rapala (very low breaking strengh, ughh.. it’s what I’ve been using on jerkbaits, topwaters, etc.) I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.  ALSO, I regularly hit the search engines, and ask the group, about once every two months: Does anyone have a picture of how to tie the Jimmy Houston Knot (supposed to be very close to 100% knot strength)? (Hint: the picture in "Caught Me a Big ‘Un…" is incomplete, so please don’t tell me to look there, unless you can tell me the missing step). Thanks a bunch, Jamie

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Jamie, the short answer is all line manufacturers have a machine to test their lines with different knots.  From this, you would assume that they recommend knots that work best with their line. Just haven’t seen a line manufacturer mention Tony Bean’s knot, which is the strongest knot I have used. Help me here, TNBass, after you get back from the TN Classic.  Tony is a Tennessee small-mouth guide and is reputed to have won many tournaments.  Do you know how to contact him?  I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just reading the knot thread from mid-March, and I’ve got some more questions. I wanted to know if there’s a resource that has some real statistics on breaking strength of different knots (and also considerations as to their appropriateness with different # test monos). Also, I conducted a little experiment with knot comparisons: I had two key-ring sized split-rings, and I tied two different knots on each side (8# test). I yanked them apart until something gave. I only compared the Trilene, Palomar, Improved Clinch, and Rapala (loop). My informal (and unrecorded) findings of order of strength, highest to lowest. *Trilene *Palomar (usually was beaten by the Trilene) *Improved Clinch (pretty low breaking strength) *Rapala (very low breaking strengh, ughh.. it’s what I’ve been using on jerkbaits, topwaters, etc.) I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.  ALSO, I regularly hit the search engines, and ask the group, about once every two months: Does anyone have a picture of how to tie the Jimmy Houston Knot (supposed to be very close to 100% knot strength)? (Hint: the picture in "Caught Me a Big ‘Un…" is incomplete, so please don’t tell me to look there, unless you can tell me the missing step). Thanks a bunch, Jamie

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 What’s he do?   He hands his rod to my son to play it.   Ya gotta love a guy who would do that for a kid.

A story worth reading to the last full stop, just for this bit. Thanks Joe. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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The end of the shad run is near, and my buddy was heading up to Deer Creek for the evening, so I lobbied SWMBO for a few hours of freedom after work. It helped that I still hadn’t given Craig his birthday present from two months ago.   So I got home from work, grilled a few burgers, and had a quick dinner with the family unit before bolting for the river. My son had a lot of homework to do for school, but I was willing to cut him a little slack on that if he PROMISED to do it quickly and neatly on our return.   (He did.)   All of my stuff was already in the trunk, and I grabbed his waders and rod and we were gone. We got there about an hour before sunset, usually a good time for the action to pick up.   The best hole above the bridge was pretty crowded with about a half dozen anglers, but as we suited up, an old guy headed for shore, leaving us a decent space just upstream from my buddy.   This time, I had rigged both rods.   My son was going to fish on his own. I gave him a quick lesson on how to strip in the sink tip and shoot it out again on the cast, and he managed to reach a useful level of mastery in a short time.   I think it helped a lot that the fly line gives such visible and instant feedback when you screw up.   It didn’t take him long to see what a good cast looked like, even if it took him longer to do it more frequently.   Not waiting long enough on the back cast was his most chronic problem. I fished just upstream from him and caught a decent fish early, but it became clear that the run was about played out.   I never hooked another one, and neither my buddy or his guest caught anything in the hour and a half we were there.   But as darkness approached, my son got a good hit that surprised the heck out of him.  He managed to set the hook, but the calm (really) advice of dad wasn’t enough, and he lost it.   Still, it was another of those great moments of discovery for him. Now, standing in the middle of the river and casting into the deeper channel against the far shore was obviously unproductive, but that’s still where the fish were, so we persisted.   Except my son.   He says, "can I fish the other way?" and I figure, why not.   He turns around, casts back toward shore, and hooks up on the first cast.   Damned cool.   He lost that one too, but he felt smarter than the rest of us for hooking it. In closing, I’ll add a story about why my fishing buddy is a good friend of mine.   We’d been there for an hour and a half, with little or no action. Cast, drift, cast again.   Nothing.   It was especially tough for my buddy, because he was just upstream from the guy in the honey hole who was catching fish after fish.   So when I went ashore to the car to get something, I left my son out there next to Craig.   And, after an hour an a half of catching nothing, Craig finally hooks one.   What’s he do?   He hands his rod to my son to play it.   Ya gotta love a guy who would do that for a kid. Joe F.

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NEAT-O!!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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The end of the shad run is near, and my buddy was heading up to Deer Creek for the evening, so I lobbied SWMBO for a few hours of freedom after work.

    (great story snipped)   And, after an hour an a half of catching nothing, Craig finally hooks one.   What’s he do?   He hands his rod to my son to play it.   Ya gotta love a guy who would do that for a kid.

    my best friend would have done just the opposite.  when your boy made his offside hookup, pamlico jim would have torn the rod from the kid’s hand and yelled for him to keep the hell out of the way until he had the fish in hand.  but, ya gotta love him, too; he will shoot your ass if you don’t. you will meet him at the clave. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe F.

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(Michael Leitheiser) writes: If ;you are only 5 yrs old I have to say congratulations on managing to accumulate such an admirable collection of quality equipment to swap for good cane…..If you are 104, I would have thought you would already have some great cane..(<:

I’m forty, been fly fishing since ‘94 and own a few good cane rods but what can I say, I’m a greedy SOB. Besides my Winstons and T&T’s aren’t on that list. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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What sort of cane rod are you planning on buying that needs such a clear-out?  If you want two beautiful cane rods at reasonable prices, drop me a line and I’ll put you in touch with Ted Knott.  He’ll custom make your two rods for a total of approx. $1,500.00 US.  I have his 7′ 4/5 wt. and believe me, it’s a gem.

Thanks I know of Mr. Knott, he has a good reputation. We are talking Leonards, Summers, and or a Howells. They don’t come along every day. The CFO is yours, Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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OK folks, chance to get some top quality gear at good prices and help me buy two cane rods I have a major lust for. Those offended by personal for sale adds should not read further. For Sale Sage 490-3 SP, Custom made by Dorothy Schramm for the 1998 trout bum bar b que- $375, or combo with UNUSED Lamson LP 1.5 and SA Mastery 4WF for $550. Excellent Condition She does great work. T&T Paradigm 490-3, Excellent Condition, very little use $425 or Combo with Orvis CFOIII (special silver edition) and line for $575. To buy this baby new in this combo will cost you over $850. Or if you want something better in a reel I will consider a Hardy UL Disk reel though the price will be a little higher. Sage 586-3 LL, Rod is great shape, thanks to a canoe accident is 2/3 new, (Sage replaced the top two sections). This is a great Spring Creek or Dry Fly rod. I fish it with a 6DT. Asking $300 for the rod though I’m sure I can combo it if that is what it takes. Sage 586-3 SP, Custom Made by Dorothy Schramm for the 1999 Trout Bum Bar B Que. I paid $400 for it at auction, that’s what I’m asking for it. Unfished and beautiful attention to detail. I can combo it with another Hardy UL Disk if that is what it takes. Sage 589-5 SP, I hate to part with this one…the Sage 5 pc SP with extra tip. Great rod which will cost you almost $700 new. Little use so far and in excellent Condition. Asking $525, will combo with Sage 3200 reel and SA XPS 5 wt line for $725. Diamondback 904/5-4 Fast rod, great entry level $150 (4/5 wt) Diamondback 909-3 Great chance for saltwater salmon rod in almost new condition-$150. Have a Marryat 9A with two spools will consider in Combo, but that reels goes for almost $400 + the spool but will combo for $350. Orvis, CFO 123 with two spools, good condition $150. All rods include socks & tubes, reels have cases. I pay ground shipping in the 48 states. I feel these are excellent rods & reels at good prices. Sorry warranties are not transferable but if you should bust one, I’ve been around since ‘94 and don’t intend upon dying anytime soon so I’ll help you get warranty coverage. It is not everyday you get a chance to buy a Summers and a Leonard in excellent condition. Thanks Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Wayne What sort of cane rod are you planning on buying that needs such a clear-out?  If you want two beautiful cane rods at reasonable prices, drop me a line and I’ll put you in touch with Ted Knott.  He’ll custom make your two rods for a total of approx. $1,500.00 US.  I have his 7′ 4/5 wt. and believe me, it’s a gem. BTW, I’m very interested in your CFO 123 and spools but I won’t be able to send you cash until after I get back from my holidays the second week of August  (I’m leaving in a couple of days.)  Can you hold them for me?  It’s a guaranteed $150.00 sale, no backing out. ROFFian honour. Peter

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If ;you are only 5 yrs old I have to say congratulations on managing to accumulate such an admirable collection of quality equipment to swap for good cane…..If you are 104, I would have thought you would already have some great cane..(<: OK folks, chance to get some top quality gear at good prices and help me buy two cane rods I have a major lust for.

Lots of stuff snipped Sorry, warranties are not transferable but if you should bust one, I’ve been around since ‘94 and don’t intend upon dying anytime soon so I’ll help you get warranty coverage. It is not everyday you get a chance to buy a Summers and a Leonard in excellent condition. Thanks Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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 Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk).

Hillary was born in upstate New Yawk, wasn’t she?  :-) We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk)

Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow . Why do we always apologize for winning?

Because it’s the polite thing to do. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Steve Cooper: << Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). Yeah, a lying, draft-dodging coward, who can’t keep his dick where it belongs. Dave LaCourse

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As a canuck too I think the real problems started when that damn frenchman came from france ans said aloud "Vive La Quebec Libre"….basically telling them they had the support of the French Nation…..In reality as a person who lived in europe for some time I can tell ya that the Fenrch look on the Quebecers as bastard childer and rednecks. As a final thought I say we give them all a shovel and they can dig the friggin’ place off the map for all I care. My .02+ cents Andrew Save the flames I don’t care either way

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As a canuck too…

Ummm…just a point of clarification.  I’m not Canadian, having been born just south of Lake Erie, which explains why I know next to nothing about Canadian history.  However, some of my ancestors reportedly did live in Canada for a while before heading south…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Wayne Harrison wrote FiddleAway wrote Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double … I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war     war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated

Being a second generation southern californian, I’m not sure I qualify for Yankee status (by the way, I hate the Yankees…especially this year…but that’s another story).  Though I wouldn’t be surprised if being from the West Coast puts me even lower on the Cracker Scale than a yankee. (However, 2 generations back my people are from Arkansas, so at least I have a little of that high IQ genetic material in my background). —                                                       -dnc- BTW – you can start a new war if you want to wayno, but I assure you that the first one did end on the day ol’ Bob E handed in his sword.

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 Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). Hillary was born in upstate New Yawk, wasn’t she?  :-)

You are correct. In my naiivete, I thought it was Wee Willy that runs the country, but your analysis is more accurate We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow .

That was the first time the Francos and Anglos did battle on N.A. soil. The fight for Canada happened much later, after the U.S./British thing was pretty much settled (but before the North/South disagreements).This all happened when Louis Riel rallied the French and the Metis for independence from the Brits in Canada. They all gathered to yell insults at General Wolfe et al on the Plains of Abraham, but I don’t remember the exact date. Yes its true, we Canadians actually had our own war that involved no one but ourselves. For such an apathetic bunch, we musta been really pissed to start fightin’ amongst ourselves about it! Why do we always apologize for winning? Because it’s the polite thing to do.

But we never seem to get anything resolved Stevo "I’m really PISSED about being so apathetic..well not really pissed, just abit mad…. well actually only a little upset…well actually it doesn’t really bother me that much …well actually I don’t really care…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow . That was the first time the Francos and Anglos did battle on N.A. soil. The fight for Canada happened much later, after the U.S./British thing was pretty much settled (but before the North/South disagreements).This all happened when Louis Riel rallied the French and the Metis for independence from the Brits in Canada. They all gathered to yell insults at General Wolfe et al on the Plains of Abraham, but I don’t remember the exact date.

that was in 1970 after crowds of angry francophone snowmen pelted then Prime Minister Trudeau with bottles of screech during the annual Quebec City Winterfest riot – this happens every year on the Quebecois National fete (holiday) named after the dead French monk St Jean De Batiste. BTW the Plains of Abraham were named after Abraham Lincoln following his assination. We always loved Lincoln as it was thanks to his heroic actions emmigration of US residents to Canada dropped dramatically. We were so happy following that event we formed the country named the plains had a battle with the Grand Armee of Napoleon the First and confederated the country all in one drunken melee. We’ve all been hung over since that great day. Canadian Politics give me such a head ache! Vive La Canada! Ralph H (always on topic) remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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Ralph H wrote [snip]…   …Canadian Politics give me such a head ache!

Beats the politics of your southern neighbors (at least currently), eh? —                                                       -dnc-

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I am 57 years old and lived in New England for the past five years after moving from so. Calif.  I go fly fishing each year  to Maine or Rhode Island and I haven’t caught anything yet.  The problem is because I insist on using flys I’ve tied myself.  It’s very sporting that way.  I used to catch fish in Calif. but nothing in Maine or R.I. I guess the fish are smarter out here.

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I am 57 years old and lived in New England for the past five years after moving from so. Calif.  I go fly fishing each year  to Maine or Rhode Island and I haven’t caught anything yet.  The problem is because I insist on using flys I’ve tied myself.  It’s very sporting that way.  I used to catch fish in Calif. but nothing in Maine or R.I. I guess the fish are smarter out here.

        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.           i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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   i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)    wayno

That song always makes me think of my first wife<g. — Charlie…

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.         i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno

Um, doesn’t the chosen location of the fisherman provide a fairly dramatic refutation of at least part of your assertion?  ;-) From the fellow living in God’s country. ATB — Andrew Brunette

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.         i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno

        (strategic snip) From the fellow living in God’s country. ATB — Andrew Brunette

        hell, andrew, i didn’t know you lived in rowan county!  just outside granite quarry, maybe? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.

Well, let’s see…I live east of the river and work west of it. In an effort to maximize my intellectual capacity I think I’ll stay home today… Scot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom. Well, let’s see…I live east of the river and work west of it. In an effort to maximize my intellectual capacity I think I’ll stay home today… Scot

    ah, yet another testimonial to the impeccable accuracy of my intial post.     wayno the smug

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Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.     wayno the smug

I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                       -dnc-

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I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                     -dnc-

 Ever see "The Mouse That Roared"?  The US is known to spend millions upon millions in countries they defeat in war.  Just note how those dumb, ignorant Southerners in Arkansas Spring Arkansas sold WATER to those BRILLIANT Yankees! It also worked in Warm Springs Va., Hot Springs Va., Sarasota Fla., even Miami Beach! Wayne Hart to fish is human…to release divine

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Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.     wayno the smug I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                      -dnc-

    war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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    war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated

  Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Why do we always apologize for winning? Stevo the unsmug

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy.

It would be unlikely (though not impossible) that it’s primary function was as a salmon rod. Even today salmon in Britain are normally fished for with two-handed rods, from 12 to 15 or more feet long. You may fish for summer fish with a shorter rod but you’ll then be said to be fishing with a trout rod. It might well be one of two things: a sea-trout rod (in other words trout that migrate to sea like steelhead) and are fished for on rivers – that is if the action is quite tight and fast, or, I think more likely,  a boat rod,  for fishing for trout from a boat drifiting along on a lake with the prevailing wind. In this fashion, casts are quite short, and very soft rods were used – very often around this length. I still have one my father inherited in the 1920s from a major Irish fisherman, but I must say that I find it unfishable. I fish with split cane on the English chalkstreams, but anything of ten foot I would find very hard going

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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Ed, I think this rod was made by (or for ?) Carter & Co., London that appears to have been a tackle store (??) that existed from 1853 till 1969. The company changed it’s name from Alfred Carter to Carter & Co. in 1901, so your rod is definitely post 1901. This is all I could find out from my books. regards Inge Solberg Houston, TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age. It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods. Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

Heck, I’m no expert (for sure) but I may be able to point you in the right direction.  It does sound like a salmon rod, probably taking about an 8 to 10 weight line.  The wraps every inch or so were called "intermediate wraps" and were originally used when glues weren’t very good.  However, UK-built rods seem to value tradition and rods with intermediate wraps were available in the 1970’s (I believe from Clifford Constable — or was it J.Sharpe?).  In my web wanderings I found a site that frequently auctions cane rods in the UK (I think it is www.auctions-on-line.com, if that doesn’t work e-mail me and I’ll find it) with descriptions, etc.  Sorry I can’t help with the name of the actual maker — I only know of companies that were on the scene in the 1970’s or later (i.e., Hardy, Constable, Farlow, Sharpe, Partridge, etc.). BTW–If you do find out exactly what it is, please post a follow-up. George (Irish descent, not living in Ireland)

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I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Check out the St. Croix Products I Think For your money they rate up their with poles hundreds of $ more. — Larry D. Madison Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Hi, I’d like to get any input on Red Ball felt sole wading shoes. Good or bad. Thanks, Bob

We sold the high top lace up model this last year. They have a imitation leather look to them. They are good for the angler that will not be fishing much or very vigorously. If you are a powerful wader and fish much, I would buy the Weinbrener shoe, as it is very durable. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Hi, I’d like to get any input on Red Ball felt sole wading shoes. Good or bad. Thanks, Bob

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I’ve had a pair (the velcro closure type) for about two years and use them heavily. I fish almost every week, usually on water with lots of abrasive rocks. No problem yet except they are pretty heavy. The felf isn’t wearing down too badly. By the way, I bought them because they were on sale for $20. grendel

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Hi, I’d like to get any input on Red Ball felt sole wading shoes. Good or bad. Thanks, Bob

Not bad shoes but if you can afford them the Weinbrenner or gary borger with Korkers inswerted in the felt are better. Last look aroun$80.00 a         Ancient Angller

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.

     The "formula" for slinkies is something like the following (sometimes I make them; sometimes I buy them – I’m an amature at this):      You start with hollow nylon cord.  Strong cord is called parachute cord, but you can also find this in any hardware/Kmart/etc. as drapery cord.  I also got some from the camping section.  It is a woven nylon cord with another nylon string/cord inside.  You start by cutting it somewhere and extracting the inside cord, leaving a hollow core.      You need a small butane lihgter for the next steps.  the cord is cut into small lengths, ranging from 2 to 4" in length.  Take the butane lighter, heat one end of a strip to the melting point and close it.  You can use a piece of paper or cardboard to do this and prevent small burns and nylon sticking to your fingers.      Then you fill the tube with split shot, using size 6’s or 8’s.  The little tubes will take about 4, and the big tubes will take up to 8 or so.  In this manner, you will be able to adjust the weight you use, depending on the current where you are fishing.      The next step, of course, is to close the tube.  You push the spli shots down close to each other, against the closed end, and then you heat the other end.  Repeat the process for closing it up.      You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind.      I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your leader?

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writes:     You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind.     I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your

leader? I find it interesting what people will do just to say they are flyfishing.  There is a  perfect rig for this outfit, it is called spinning. Ernie Harrison

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.

If you’re not losing hooks and lead on the bottom, you are not trying hard enough. A simple way to go deep is to double a short length of nylon over your leader (with one shot to hold it in place) and add as many shots as you need to get the depth.  When they hang, with luck they will slide off the end and you’ll get most of your terminal tackle back. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials.

  Unless you’re into S&M, slinkys and flycasting don’t mix.     A better bet is to make small "mini heads" out of lead core trolling line. Cut the leadcore into several six and twelve inch segments. Whip a loop onto each end of these segments. You can now loop these to the end of your leader in any combination you please. To make an thirty inch head loop two twelve’s and six incher together and so on. Tie the tippet directly to the terminal loop of your head.    The result is a relatively easy mess to cast that will get you *down* and doesn’t tend to hang up. Excellent system when fishing surf on rocky coast lines where every cast gets wrapped in crud.    Tight lines and open loops, Ralph

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You can buy "Quick Kits" that include the cord, pre-stuffed with shot. Contact: Scott Eno, P.O. Box 373, N. Syracuse, NY 13212.  In some tackle shops, his one ounce kit sells for $6.95.  If you should decide to buy the shot and cord separately, I urge you NOT to cut the cord to length before stuffing the shot into them.  Do what Scott Eno has done: stuff the entire cord with shot (one end sealed with a lighter/candle) then just cut and singe to the size you desire.  Cutting the cord first leads to wasted cord as it readily unravels when you stuff the shot in.

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons

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Bob, in CA we take green paracute cord and singe the end with a match. Then stuff with BBs or other shot to desired weight and singe the remaining end.    Clip this onto a snap swivel to place on your line ahead of the lure or bait.  I never heard of this for fly fishing but it is popular with bait fisherman in salmon and steelhead water. To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons

– Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"

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Micek) writes: Vancouver Island fishing is beginning to approach a time of great hope, but will it be like so many other dreams?  Fishing for the Pinks in the Oyster has been disappointing to date.  Does anyone have any good stories to tell?

I wish I had a good story to tell.  This is a "me too" post.  I’ll be on a floating lodge called North Pacific Springs for the Labor Day weekend.  It’s on the inner passage.  I’d like to hear some good stories and suggestions as well. I know my destination is not a flyfishing operation.  They generally troll bait on downriggers for salmon, and jig for halibut.  However, the guides seem willing to humor me.  I’ll spend some time boating from the lodge, and I’ll also do a float plane fly out (tentatively to Kaipit Lake). Any stories or suggestions on how to make the most out of the flyfishing (flies, techniques, locations, etc.) are greatly appreciated. -Chuck

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Vancouver Island fishing is beginning to approach a time of great hope, but will it be like so many other dreams?  Fishing for the Pinks in the Oyster has been disappointing to date.  Does anyone have any good stories to tell?

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