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Congratulations, Darin. You will have a lot of fun with your new fishing buddy! Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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Congratulations Life as you knew is over. Fortunately the best is yet to come. BJ Conner

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Congratulations from the Left Coast! Merry Christmas and I know you’ll all have a Happy New Year! John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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A hearty Congrats to you and the Missus! — "Of what service would militia be to you, when most probably you will not have a single musket in the State; for as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not furnish them?" -Patrick Henry,  5 June 1788

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Thank you all. May you all have a wonderfull Christmas. Mines already been perfect. Darin still the proud new father

And I must remind you to bring a big box of cigars to the next Clave.  :-) Joe F.

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Now, remember to be a nice Dad and make her birthdays special.  Two of my sons, and my wife have birthdays within 2 weeks of Christmas, and every year at least one of them reminds me that they feel like they are being overlooked because of the holidays. Congrats, and good health to you and your family, Darin! –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s exactly what we were thinkin’. She was due Jan. 2, but due to a few circumstances she was induced 2 weeks early. Darin

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Congratulations, and best wishes to you all. Does he have a name yet?  ("Lefty" is nice <g) JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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Way to go Darin Dave

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Thank you all. May you all have a wonderfull Christmas. Mines already been perfect. Darin still the proud new father

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Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

Congrats Darin!  What a fine way to ring in the holiday season.  Best of luck and health to you and your family. Cheers. Natty

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Hey hey ! Congratulations, old man. And just in time for that nice tax deduction too. — Ken Fortenberry

That’s exactly what we were thinkin’. She was due Jan. 2, but due to a few circumstances she was induced 2 weeks early. Darin

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Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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Congratulations. I guess if you have to give up fishing for a few years the SJ clave was a good way to end. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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"Darin Minor" wrote Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son?

    Congratulations, and I hope mother and son are doing fine. Send "Uncle Charlie" your shipping address by e-mail, I think I may have what the boy needs.

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Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them.

Congratulations.   ‘Tis a fine thing. Joe F

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Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

Hey hey ! Congratulations, old man. And just in time for that nice tax deduction too. — Ken Fortenberry

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Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

Congratulations, and best to all. Happy Holidays, R

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Congratulations to you and your wife Darin, you’ll make an awesome dad. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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Congrats!! I have a couple of fly rods that have been "accidentally modified" if you’d like a short rod! <g Congratulate the happy mother for us too.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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Darin Minor writes: Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

Congrats, Darin.  My best to the mom.  Actually a 1 weight, 2 if he’s big, would be better. Dave LaCourse, ROFian Grandpa

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Congrats Darin!!! Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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Congratulations to you and your wife, Darin! –Walt Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

– Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Congratulations Darin. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

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Congratulations!  Outstanding. Bruce Thomsen

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Congratulations from all over the pond! Herman Those of you who met me at the Western Clave knew that my wife was pregnant, well that is no longer the case. My son was born at 8:12pm last night. Mother and child are doing great and I couldn’t be happier. I will try and post pics on the web when I can and post the address for those of you who would like to see them. Anybody know where to get a 4 or 5′ rod for my new son? Darin the proud new father

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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And then I got it. Sorry long day in the sun without any fish…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You what? Yes, well, I bet you don

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Its not a fishing pole case its ROD ARMOR Sleek, Small, custom crafted to size to perfectly match your favorite gear. 30 % lighter than PVC yet way stronger, The armor has a 3% deflection under a 4,000 pound load.You can drive over it with your truck without damaging your rods.  Now equipt with our ISP ( Inflatable Stabilization System ) and optional SMART CHIP (micro chip ) Recovery System Your rods aresafe from the hazards of life  in the armor , Protect your Gear. See it & buy it at www.rod-armor.com

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Its not a fishing pole case its ROD ARMOR Sleek, Small, custom crafted to size to perfectly match your favorite gear. 30 % lighter than PVC yet way stronger, The armor has a 3% deflection under a 4,000 pound load.You can drive over it with your truck without damaging your rods. Now equipt with our ISP ( Inflatable Stabilization System ) and optional SMART CHIP (micro chip ) Recovery System Your rods aresafe from the hazards of life  in the armor , Protect your Gear. See it & buy it at www.rod-armor.com

OK, this seems pretty decent, but why the Smart Chip stuff?  If it has a label and all, why a microchip?

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"David Kirk" wrote Your rods aresafe from the hazards of life  in the armor , Protect your Gear. See it & buy it at www.rod-armor.com

Yes, those are impressive rod tubes. And the irony of the fact that the tube is nicer than any fly rod I own isn’t lost on me either. –Steve

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OK, this seems pretty decent, but why the Smart Chip stuff?  If it has a label and all, why a microchip?

Same reason Hillary and her Social Democrats want V-chips in TV and implanted in our children; THEY WANT TO CONTROL FLY FISHING!!!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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(greedy snivle snipped) BTW David, a one time post of a site announcement of material offered in the commercial vein will not draw much criticism. This description was ALMOST too lengthy to dis-qualify as SPAM.  Just a friendly heads- up to prevent some overzealous individual refering to you as SOME GODDAMN SPAMMING ASSHOLE trying to SPAM a discussion group with UN- SOLICITED ADVERTISING aka. SPAM! — Wayne (sitting next to TEAM SPAM while watching "The Patriot") To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Its not a fishing pole case its ROD ARMOR Sleek, Small, custom crafted to size to perfectly match your favorite gear. 30 % lighter than PVC yet way stronger, The armor has a 3% deflection under a 4,000 pound load.You can drive over it with your truck without damaging your rods. Now equipt with our ISP (Inflatable Stabilization System) and optional SMART CHIP (micro chip ) Recovery System your rods are safe from the hazards of life  in the armor , Protect your Gear. See it & buy it at www.rod-armor.com

SPAM.  Definitely SPAM. Will it protect me from Canadian Black Bears, too? Tom happy with the aluminum rod tube that doubles as a walking stick and occassional brush beater Before you buy.

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OK, this seems pretty decent, but why the Smart Chip stuff?  If it has a label and all, why a microchip? Same reason Hillary and her Social Democrats want V-chips in TV and implanted in our children; THEY WANT TO CONTROL FLY FISHING!!!!

Well that’s just charming…what’s next with these people?  10-fly books and boxes?  No hook keepers?  Background checks on backpack rods? Maybe if we toss ‘em Gerkoff and those FisherFin-thing people ala S and W, it will hold ‘em off a while. <G R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Agnes, The Sabana Resort (near Desaru) is easily reached by ferry from both Changi Point and Tanah Merah Jetty. I have friends residing in Spore coming over to visit me on Labour days. So, I have make some plans visiting Kota Tinggi area. Here are some of the suggestions: Mutiara Motor Resort in Sedili Kecil, very layback without tourist!! for kampung life. you can cycle, jungle trek, play pools or karaoke…. . A slow walk about in Kg. Sedili Besar, a sleepy fishing village opposite Kuala Sedili. Interesting sights will be ensured. http://www.mutiaramotors.com/html/resort/index_resort.html Also, Pulau Sibu/Tinggi is just a 2-3 hour trip from Kuala Sedili by boat. Check out this site for info : http://www.myoutdoor.com/ about Johor’s Islands nearby Mersing is quiet and beautiful too. I have been to most of the islands and so far has not disappointed me just yet. If you ever go , remember to bring lots of film. You will never regrets. It maybe a bit limited in choices of getting there though. Except Tioman Island. You may take the ferry from Tanah Merah Jetty, Spore and cruise to Berjaya Tioman for diving and romantic holiday. (4hrs) Fly/Drive to Kuala Trengganu, transfer to Merang pier and off to Redang for wonderful days in paradise. You can stay in Berjaya Redang, or the other hotel opposite Redang, Lang Tengah, Crystal clear water, white powdery sandy beaches and colourful fishes swing among the beauitful corals. Do a search in Yahoo, and you will find more than the above choices. If you need further info, do contact me. Good luck Provis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hey guess what, that’s my BF’s hometown!! ))) hmmmm thought tinggi is famous only for its waterfall?? why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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I was on koh Phi Phi in ‘94, and it was way overtouristed then.  It’s only going to be 6 years worse now. In ‘89 a friend and I needed to find an island fairly close to Bangkok (limited travel time) and went to Koh Si Chang, which was great in the sense that we saw no other white people while there–it seems to be a cross between people who live there and Thais who go for vacation.  If you want something a little less over-westernized, you might try that one. Then agian, that was 10 years ago…. -Doug Magnoli – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!" we had orginally targeted the southern islands like krabi and koh phi phi, but it seems that the monsoon season hits that area from May to October…..whereas for the islands in the gulf, the monsoon is from october to december…not that this really matters, coz there’s been thunderstorms almost daily in koh samui…. phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

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karl, you gotta know.. to some people, having a low paid but honest job is a disgrace… they’d rather be involved in some kinda corrupt bullshit and be a parasitic leech on the people… Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter! No, but what would be wrong if so ? Karl

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Has anyone stayed at Tradewinds on Chaweng Beach, Koh Samui?  Is it a recommended place? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2 years ago I stayed at the Coral Bay Resort with my family. It is a very nice resort. The food is superb and so is the service. The beach is however too shallow. But if you are satisfied with a swim in the pool the place is a very good choice. We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning. Have a nice trip!! Agnes skrev: hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I’ve stayed at Chaweng Beach Resort (not sure if it’s the same as Chawend Beach Villa Resort). Paid additional for a room with sea-view – truth is, the block is facing the sea, but not my unit! Later, I found out only 1 unit faces the sea. Felt a little cheated. But Koh Samui is a nice, charming little island, with lots of very friendly people. You’ll enjoy it. Have fun!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter!

No, but what would be wrong if so ? Karl

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much better than phuket… at least you do not get accosted by the people trying to get you into their bars… nice beaches…. laidback as all heck… kinda nice place to go do nothing… yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm……

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Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl

Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter!

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  I spent two nights at High Coral Cove in March and then moved out.  The bathroom flooded while showering as the floor was sloped away from the drain, two of the lamps in the room didn’t work, lots of mosquitoes in the evening when sitting on the balcony, and the path lighting wasn’t very good at night. But as you said, good view and good snorkeling.   Not on my recommmended list.        Brewster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning.

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hey guess what, that’s my BF’s hometown!! ))) hmmmm thought tinggi is famous only for its waterfall?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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I read somewhere on the koh samet net (i think) that the prob with malaria has been cleared up, though the other "harmless" mosquitoes are still in full abundance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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2 years ago I stayed at the Coral Bay Resort with my family. It is a very nice resort. The food is superb and so is the service. The beach is however too shallow. But if you are satisfied with a swim in the pool the place is a very good choice. We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning. Have a nice trip!! Agnes skrev: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I was at Koh Samet at Vong Duen Beach on 9 & 10 March 2000. I was there before in october 1999. Then I had a beuatifull time. Now, there are a lot of new restaurants. But don’t go to the hotel-resort Sea Horse Bungelow. It was very, very bad now. A very poor maintenance and expensive for what you get. John joaquim schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around….. take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

I was there in August 1999 and there were not more mosquitos than in other places. Probably the situation has improved since 1993. — Alfred Molon To reply replace NOSPAM with csi

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I realise that the trip has been put on hold. I would like to say though that Koh Samui is an idyllic islands, and I do not see how any one can be disappointed with it. It has everything restaurants, top hotels, bungalows, amazing beaches, great night life etc. etc. http://www.asiatraveltips.com this will give you a wonderful idea of what it is like. I personally went to Samui January for three weeks and will return whenever I can it is a beautiful place. Please do reconsider Samui as an option. Kindest regards Steven * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

I was in Ko Phi Phi in 1992, and it was already overcrowded…figure out now, after The Beach!!! The problem with Phi Phi is that is really tiny and you can tour it walking in one hour so it gets a tourist zoo very easily. There are some beatiful and unspoilt islands near Phuket,  in the Phang-nga bay: their names are Ko Yao Yai and Ko Yao Noi, southernmost Ko Lanta is a good place. joaquim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm…… hua hin and trang sounded pretty good, but we’re more interested in isolated beaches cut off from the mainland, more in the likes of koh samet or koh chang….

why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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THE BOMOH wrote : Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home.

Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl

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 koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around…..

take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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hiya, i’d like to thank everyone who has posted or emailed their suggestions and comments to me…all your advice was of great help after hearing some negative reviews, we sort of re-considered whether to go to samui….we’re looking for a great place to hang out, with not too many tourists, and it’s disappointing to find out that samui is almost similar to phuket and pattaya…furthermore, samui is really accessible with a direct flight from singapore….. we then considered other islands like koh tao and koh phang-nan (too inaccesible), koh phi phi and koh lanta (bad weather then), koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around….. but then we checked the dates, and darn!!! our plans were messed up again….seems that 5 may is a public holiday, and it falls nicely on fri….that means that it’s gonna be a zoo everywhere during that weekend!!! it was with great sadness that we concluded we won’t be going to thailand this may sorry all!! but all the info is still useful, coz some of our other friends might be going, so we’d forward them all the info….thank you one and all!!! btw, the story has not been concluded yet ) we’d be checking out the malaysian islands instead ) no public holidays during that time, and it’s not yet full-blown tourist season yet, so should be great….we’d be posting another request for help should it be needed )) cheers, and have a great holiday !!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!"

we had orginally targeted the southern islands like krabi and koh phi phi, but it seems that the monsoon season hits that area from May to October…..whereas for the islands in the gulf, the monsoon is from october to december…not that this really matters, coz there’s been thunderstorms almost daily in koh samui…. phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

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Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place

yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm…… hua hin and trang sounded pretty good, but we’re more interested in isolated beaches cut off from the mainland, more in the likes of koh samet or koh chang….

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hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice?

Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place.

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Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place.

It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!"

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hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I printed it out for just that reason.. hopefully, she’ll laugh all the way to the FF shop.. Maybe you should let her read that story, Particle.

– Particle Salad/ Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/particlesalad

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Great story!However the problem wasn’t really with the float tube,was it?I’ve been using mine for nearly ten years now.Even had to re-sew the stitching on the nylon shell.I’ve never had anything even like a close call.Float tubing is a lot of fun.I’ll sometimes use it in places where I could have easily used my canoe instead,just because theres nothing like floating in the middle of a patch of lilypads,catching fish at eyelevel.I recommend you give your tube another try.(and only bring one rod!) Good Luck, Shawn

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A few years back, I got my first tube.

An instant classic! Thanks for a wonderful story. -r

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A few years back, I got my first tube.

The next time you go, do us all a favor and take someone with you who has a Camcorder. Another Kodak moment….many moments in your case! LMAO jim

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That story ranks up there with tales from Patrick McManus!  Great stuff, Frank. Mike Wilson Spangle, WA

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To finally know that I’m not the only fool out there! I had a friend do something similar, he now knows what the crotch strap is for as well. Flyfish

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                           Frank Reid

My sides hurt! Never, never, never will SWMBO ever get to read that story.  See, she bought me a tube for Christmas and I haven’t had it out yet.  She’d lock me in permanently.  Even made me up the accidental on my life policy. OK, something’s wrong with this picture  . . . I’ll get back to ya Peter

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[a _very entertaining_  story snipped] Way to go Frank! I trust that the next itube trip was a little more mundane Steve *still cackling* — "Experience must be the teacher in this game – not only your own  but the other man’s" – Dick Wigram http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~steve/fush/

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That story ranks up there with tales from Patrick McManus!  Great stuff, Frank. Mike Wilson Spangle, WA

_______  I agree.  As soon as you hit civilian stride Frank, I think you should run to a good magazine like McManus did.  Imagine it?  Here you can be a fly fishing fool for the rest of your life and get paid for it! Keep tying those Crawdads Frank. George http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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                           Frank Reid

Never, never, never will SWMBO ever get to read that story.  See, she bought me a tube for Christmas and I haven’t had it out yet.  She’d lock me in permanently.  Even made me up the accidental on my life policy. OK, something’s wrong with this picture  . . . I’ll get back to ya Peter

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I very rarely get a good, hearty laugh here.. funny, to think I was just talking with my wife about acquiring a tube myself… — Particle Salad/ Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/particlesalad

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I very rarely get a good, hearty laugh here.. funny, to think I was just talking with my wife about acquiring a tube myself…

Maybe you should let her read that story, Particle. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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<great story snipped That gave me a good hearty laugh Frank!  Thanks for the great story. bc. —

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Excellent story. Has the ring of ridiculous reality to it ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Ah, but I got a tube!                             Frank Reid

Great story, Frank! I think I hurt myself laughing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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A few years back, I got my first tube. It was a "surprise" birthday

present [snip]                             Frank Reid

Supurb, Funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.

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(snip) I needed a bottle of champagne to drink or break on my tube. It was a joyous feeling. Right up until I found out what that little crotch strap is for.  See, when I stepped out off that rock, my butt hit the saddle of the tube, the tube folded up like a chocolate taco and I shot through the bottom, right past that dangly little strap.  

(rest of hilarious story snipped) Frank, I laughed so hard my dog came over to the desk to see what was happening, followed closely by my amused wife.  She laughed just as hard, which really pleased Henry the dog.  One of the funniest stories ever posted on ROFF.  Definitely Hall of Fame material. Dave L.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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A few years back, I got my first tube. It was a "surprise" birthday present from my loving wife (I suspect she had a boyfriend and wanted me out of the house or she had gotten my signature down well enough for the insurance papers). I say surprise because it truly was. I had filled out the Cabela’s order form and used one of my daughter’s alphabet magnets to secure it firmly to the fridge. This had been a standard, if useless tactic of mine for years. A very subtle hint on my birthday wishes. My lovely bride of course always knew me better than that. Saw right through this clever charade. Normally got me things she knew I really needed and wanted. Like that bathroom cozy set that can turn a toilette seat cover into a bear trap. When she trotted it out for my birthday, well actually, she came in to the living room, dropped the form in my lapped and told me to "order the damn thing," I boldly informed her of the extra costs associated with a tube, i.e. breathable waders, vest, flippers. She immediately agreed that these items had to go with the tube. Well, not immediately. I first explained the purpose of the different items and she gradually built up a mental picture of her masterful husband in waders, flippers with brand new Caddis float tube firmly ensconced on his hips. I did have to get the less expensive waders though. Had to pay for that emergency room visit for her right about then. She had this terrible episode characterized by hysteria. Almost couldn’t breath, it hit her so hard. Kept saying something like "donut hole." When the whole package arrived, I immediately took the whole kit and kaboodle down to the lake. On the way, I stopped off at the gas station and gave my tube its first breath of air. Just left it in the trunk, didn’t even bother to take it out and inspect it. Filled and off to the lake! Fish beware! When I got to the lake, I pulled my waders out of the back seat and quickly donned them. Put my rod together, hooked up a crawdad fly and finally, the last step, I put on my flippers. I then went to the trunk and got the tube out. Well, not exactly just then. See, I’d filled it while it sat in the trunk of the car. It was now too large to get out of the trunk. All’s I wanted to do was a bit of fishing, but my spatial cognitive skills had been less than perfect. That’s something else my bride always told me. I found that if I deflated the float tube about 1/3 of the way down, I could get it back out of the trunk. Didn’t really have to deflate it that far, but it took that much air out of the thing before I figured that one of the "D" rings was caught on the trunk spring. I could go back up the road to the gas station and fill it back up, but it still looked pretty full so I decided to go for it. It was about 200 yards from the parking area to the lake. About 150 yards across the field, I discovered that you can walk much better if you carry the tube over your shoulder and take off the flippers. You can understand my need to get at the fish had slightly clouded my judgement.  No more hanging out on shore with those other slobs, I had a boat. I finally got down an area that looked like a good place to launch. I had talked to a friend with a float tube and had heard of the problems with mud at a launch site. Not this bubba, no sir. Found a good rock ledge to launch from. There was a rock in calf deep water that dropped off to about 12 feet. You couldn’t see the bottom but I figured it was the same distance swimming to the bottom as at my high school swimming pool. I stood on the ledge, had my tube around me, my rods in my right hands and I launched. I needed a bottle of champagne to drink or break on my tube. It was a joyous feeling. Right up until I found out what that little crotch strap is for.  See, when I stepped out off that rock, my butt hit the saddle of the tube, the tube folded up like a chocolate taco and I shot through the bottom, right past that dangly little strap.  Didn’t even have to worry about a life vest to slow my hi-speed passage through that torus from hell. Had to let go of the rods as I felt them flex in my hand and was afraid to break them. Came up struggling for air. Be amazed at the water temp in Omaha, Nebraska in the third week of April.  I now know how Jesus walked on water.  The water was cold as ice and as soon as he hit it, he was on his feet moving. Felt like I was in one of those "polar bear clubs." I reached out and quickly grabbed my tube and dragged it back with me to the rock ledge. One of my two rods had caught on the right side handle by the reel and I was able to quickly retrieve it.  Unfortunately, it was the cheep rod.  The good rod was at the bottom of this rock ledge somewhere. This is how I learned how deep the water was.  I stripped off my boots and waders and dove in before I realized how cold, cold could get.  Water was a bit chill to say the least.   On my fourth dive, I found a rod and brought it to the surface.  It was a wonderful three-dollar Zebco.  Went back down and finally found my rod after about two or three more tries. Now I had a bit of a problem.  Hypothermia was setting in.  An inability to stop shaking was my first clue.  But ever the fisherman, I thought, "wonder what other rods are down there?"  I shook off that thought put my wading boots back on, piled my stuff in the tube, SECURED IT WITH THE CROTCH STRAP, and headed back up to the car.  The air temp was a brisk 40 degrees with a good wind.  I did have to stop after about ten feet and drain the water out of the float tube cover.  That area not filled with inner tube from the deflation was now filled with water.  Added about 60 lbs to the whole package. When I got to the car, I dumped my stuff in the trunk but didn’t have anything to dry off with.   My jeans were soaked and the only thing dry was my sneakers that I’d left in the car.  I knew there were three opportunities to die on this day.  I’d just lived through one, a drowning.  I was in the middle of another, hypothermia.  I got my clothes off and covered my self with a small rucksack.  I then found a rag t-shirt under the seat that I used to check the oil.  I turned the engine on and luckily, the car hadn’t had much of a chance to cool down and the heater was soon up to full speed. There would be one other way to die on this day, the most horrible of the three.  Not the panic of the drowning, not the slow loss of consciousness of hypothermia, but the death of a thousand I-told-you-so’s.  If the mother of my children found out about the fact I couldn’t get more than three feet from shore without killing myself, what chance would I ever get to go out on a quiet morning and go fishing by myself?   She had already insisted that I wear an international orange hat to keep me from turning into the marine version of the lane turtles on the interstate, on a no-wake lake no less! Couldn’t go home.  Explain my new oily-t-shirt-and-wet-underpants outfit to the wiff.  Not on your life.  Couldn’t go to a laundry mat.  The mid-west populace does not look kindly on some shirtless blue Pict in chest waders wandering into the laundry mat and scaring hell out of old aunt Sally.  But, as a fisherman, I had the answer, duct tape. I had to get my pants and shirt dry.  I duct taped my Levi’s to the inside of the hood of my car.  This was rather fun as I was now wearing the t-shirt as a toga wrap-around.  I then duct taped my flannel shirt to the heater underneath the passenger seat dash.  I closed the shirt up with tape so all of the hot air would have to go through the shirt.  Hopped on the highway and took an eighty mile drive to Lincoln and back.  Got back to the lake and in a secluded area checked out my handy work.  All, except for the seams of the shirt collar, was dry. I went home and strolled in, bold as brass (and smelling of gas).  My wonderful wife queried me about my fishing.  I answered quite honestly that I’d not gotten a bite all day (except frostbite).  The poor woman will never really understand me as a fisherman.  Her next comment was "I don’t know why you just don’t fish from the bank.  That outfit looks like more problems than its worth."  Ah, but I got a tube!                             Frank Reid

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the funniest story I’ve seen in a long time!

I don’t have a wife or kids, don’t live in the Midwest and didn’t find a $3 Zebco rod, but I can attest the rest of this story has to be true. Why? I’ve done all the rest… though I scorched the pants on a hot exhaust manifold. Thanks for a great story! Cheers Rick

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Very funny Frank,    Now I know what I missed by not getting a float tube. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years back, I got my first tube. It was a "surprise" birthday present                            Frank Reid

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. Regards, Bill  Remove the nospam to email

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 I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my

#8 shad rig. Bill, I think your problem is right there. Lines and knots only live so long, especially if you use them hard. I get long life from my shooting heads, but I generally re-tie my connections to start every year (when I remember to do it, that is!). Pliobond or ‘hot stuff’ glue is a fine idea to strengthen the connection, but don’t overdo it. You can make your own briaded ends easily by buying a spool of braided mono (Cortland for example) from the store, and use a needle with an eye just large enough to thread the line through, and thread the line  into itself. Saves money, which makes you more likely to change connections often. Hope that lost shooting head wraps around the prop of a scofflaw! FlyFisherRay

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. Regards, Bill  Remove the nospam to email

I always superglue braided leaders on, because I’ve had too many work their way off over the years. It is a particular problem with repeated casting of heavy flies, and with roll/spey casting. Andrew                     The History of Fly Fishing             http://www.elisis.com/Fly.fishing.history/

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. I always superglue braided leaders on, because I’ve had too many work their way off over the years. It is a particular problem with repeated casting of heavy flies, and with roll/spey casting.

Better: use hard mono and tie a needle knot in the back of the head, then tie a perfection loop in the mono. Et voila! A loop that ain’t going nowhere, goop or no goop. And it won’t hinge like that friggin’ braided stuff either… Then do the same thing at the front of the head to loop on your leader. Try it/you’ll like it ;^)

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Can anyone reccomend a good guide/outfitter near Marathon Key?  We will be there in January and are just frothing at the mouth to wet a fly.

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Try calling Tim Carlisle in Sugarloaf Key.  He can be reached at TJ’s Sugar Shack in Sugarloaf.  The number is listed in information (305 area code).  Sorry I don’t have my phone book with me.  You can also rent a boat at TJ’s and do it yourself.    If you are brave of heart, and a very good fly-fishing angler then call Lenny Moffo.  You can reach him through SEA BOOTS OUTFITTERS.  Tell them that I recomended Lenny but be prepared to have a hard day of fishing if you are not at the top of your game.  Lenny is a cantancorous (sp?) prick but he will put you on more fish than any other guide in the Keys or Everglades. Good luck! Ralph Curd

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Gil drake and Jose Wejebe call information for the florida keys I think there both in key west. Mark Gervase

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The Keys guides I have most enjoyed fishing with:         1) Bob Trosset in Key West (1-305-294-5801, I think)         3. Tom DeMoss in Islamorada  (1-305-852-9359)         Trosset is one of the deservedly famous flats guides, so he’s hard to book, but it’s always worth a call, in case he has a cancellation. Cutchin is less well known, but also heavily booked. I booked DeMoss on short notice through the concierge at Cheeca Lodge.         Besides being good guides who will put you into fish and make you a better fisherman than you would be without them (which is what guiding is supposed to be all about), these three guys are also fun to fish with. Some famous guides are so unpleasant and irascible, I wouldn’t fish them even if they paid me instead of the usual arrangement! Book one of the three above, and you will have a fine day on the water, even if the wind is blowing hard from the northeast and the fish have lockjaw. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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Contact the Dakota Fly Fishers (FFF club) – pres. is Mark Olinger, 701-784-5550

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I will be in Grand Forks, North Dakota in June this year. Are there any good fly fishing opportunities in that part of the country. Thanks

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I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.                        Thank you for your time,                                     Adam

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I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.                       Thank you for your time,                                    Adam

Hello Adam, Welcome to flyfishing!  I think you will find many enjoyable opportunities to flyfish in the state of Arizona.  I upkeep a web page which is devoted to fly fishing in the state, which is not so surprisingly called Fly Fishing in Arizona.  On the page are several lists of fishing locations and resources, along with current fishing reports.  The location is listed below. I hope this information is of use to you.  Please feel free to e-mail me with any additional questions. John Shannon Fly Fishing in Arizona http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon

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 I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I  can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly  fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.

Try  http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon

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Adam, Try http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon/, it is the AZ Flyfishing WWW home page.  I don’t know your location but the page has locations all over AZ.  I would recommend the lower Salt River (below Saguaro Lake) and Lee’s Ferry (if you can get there. Regards, Steve.

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(Filthyfly) writes: I’m just starting the sport of fly fishing and would like to know where I can fish in Arizona. I would appreciate information on productive fly fishing locations and places to stay also in the area.                       Thank you for your time,                                    Adam

Adam, Please check out www.kinghill.com/adventur/ambass.html and see the packages for fly fishing at Lee’s Ferry and the Grand Canyon.  The Grand Canyon package is one of a kind…. Tom

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There are a lot of public access sites on the Au Sable, including all 3 branches (Mainstream, North Branch, and South Branch).  In addition to state property, Trout Unlimited has two pieces of donated property in the "flies only" stretch.  One is north of Stephan’s Bridge, on the north side of the rive, called Guides’ Rest.  The other is further west and just north of Wakeley Bridge (also on the north side) near the Thunderbird Club.       The single best source of information on the AuSable comes from the river guide that is produced for the river by the Challenge Chapter of Trout Unlimited.  In addition to maps, it includes an emergence chart for the major fly hatches.       Your Email address indicates you are on the UM campus, as I am.  You can buy one of these guides at MacGregor’s (on Main Street), or I will be happy to let you look at mine if they’re out.  Mike Traugott     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can anyone supply me with a few public access sites on the AuSable River System? Any proven patterns are more than welcome.

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there is a great book called "12 Classic Trout Streams of Michigan" at Border’s in Ann Arbor and at Macgregor’s, that lists access sites to the Au Sable and other streams that is really good information.

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I usually fish from Keystone Landing to Stephan Bridge on the main stream.   I haven’t had the chance to fish the south branch yet, but i think i will concentrate on it this summer.  Most of it is "match the hatch" water.  It is also a very picturesque stream, with sweeping cedars in the water providing excellent cover.  P.S. I don’t consider myself an expert on this stream, but I am just telling you what I know.  There is a "hatch hotline" you can call to see what the latest conditions are.  It’s updated everyday one the weather starts warming up, but currently it just contains general winter conditions.  the number is (517) 348-7108.  very helpful.

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