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Best wishes to you and yours Frank Dave

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Frank Church writes:

(nice stuff snipped) Daisy, Guts and I wish you all a very Merry Xmas, and a wonderful New Year. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat Church

What?  No Church Mouse?   Thank you, Frank, and many Happy returns to you and your’s. Dave LaCourse

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That time of the year again folks, my how time flies when you’re having fun! Local paper says this is the coldest winter in these parts since 1989, and we’re about to equal snowfall records as well if this keeps up. My back deck is awash in snowbirds, finches, etc. foraging in the snow for the seeds that I throw out there, Guts has a ball watching them, her own private entertainment center, as it were.  A hump in the park on snowshoes is the order of the day, then to thumb thru well worn flyfishing magazines to decide what fly to tie for the upcoming 2001 swap. The choices are narrowed down when my ability to tie is taken into account. Without ROFF, this year, as in the past, would be diminished measurably.  I am grateful for the cyber-friends I have made, and most grateful for the ones I have had the privilege to meet in the few claves I have attended. Really looking forward to doing it again in 2001. What a great bunch of ruf…er….people! Daisy, Guts and I wish you all a very Merry Xmas, and a wonderful New Year. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat Church —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Hi all, I’m new to flyfishing and trying to learn as much as possible. This newsgroup is a great source…thanks to all who contribute. I was hoping that some of the group experts could take a look at a web page that I’ve set up with about 9 pictures of what I’m sure are very common dry flies (one nymph is included). A flyfishing guide purchased them for me some time back and now I’m interested in knowing more about them.  Also, if anyone knows of any color reference books or web pages that I can use to identify flies (many books are B&W <sigh…it would be most appreciated…thanks in advance everyone! The web address is http://members.aol.com/kraftshoot/flys.jpg

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Hi all, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to flyfishing and trying to learn as much as possible. This newsgroup is a great source…thanks to all who contribute. I was hoping that some of the group experts could take a look at a web page that I’ve set up with about 9 pictures of what I’m sure are very common dry flies (one nymph is included). A flyfishing guide purchased them for me some time back and now I’m interested in knowing more about them.  Also, if anyone knows of any color reference books or web pages that I can use to identify flies (many books are B&W <sigh…it would be most appreciated…thanks in advance everyone! The web address is http://members.aol.com/kraftshoot/flys.jpg

The photos are a bit dark, and it is extremely difficult to analyse fly patterns just from photos anyway, but here goes. Flies one and two are "Compara duns" these are flies with split tails, a dubbed body, no hackle as such, and elk or deer hair "wings" tied in a specific fashion. Namely spread in a half circle over the upper part of the hook and tilted slightly forward.These are remarkably successful flies, and the tying materials and style are more important as recognition points than any specific patterns or colours. The flies shown are imitations of olives. Fly three is a spinner imitation with what looks like antron wings. Again an olive. I would prefer smoke blue antron as wings on such a fly, but the "transparent" antron works as well. Flies four and five are parachute style dry-flies, with what looks like calf tail post wings, standard cock hackle wound horizontally around the post, and again seem to be olives. Fly six is a more or less standard hackled dry fly with a relatively short hackle, and this is tied over about a third of the body, probably designed for rough water fishing. Once again an olive. Flies seven and eight  are once again Compara duns, and again olives. Fly nine is an emerger pattern, tied with a trailing shuck of hackle fibre The  bead head nymph, which could be used to imitate almost anything, but this again looks like it was tied to represent an olive nymph. Trying to learn the names of all these flies is a waste of time. As long as you know what you use it for, that is really all that matters. Whether it has a name, or is just a reasonable imitation is quite immaterial.  All of the flies shown look like good fish catchers, and could in fact be used in various sizes to imitate a whole host of naturals. But the range shown here are practically all olive imitations. For lists of various patterns etc try : http://www.virtualflyshop.com/ for info on Olives etc try : http://www.fishing-in-wales.co.uk/wildlife/insects/upwing/bwolive.htm You might also like to look at : http://www.virtualflybox.com/ http://freespace.virgin.net/fly.fishing/index.htm   for colour photos of many flies http://www.sea-ex.com/recreational1/fly1.htm In the meantime there are thousands of sites on the web with info on patterns and tying and fly-fishing generally. The best thing to do is use a good search engine, such as http://www.google.com   and start searching for some of them. You will soon find plenty which you can use. The sites above also have links to many others, which you can try. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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You were asking for someone to identify the flies – I don’t know if you were asking for specific names or not.  Mike gave you the *styles*, which I think is a good idea.  I saw a book recently that looks really good – it helps sort out these kinds of flies by style, and helps you organize them in your head.  There are color pictures of all, and it’s not real long or expensive (under $20 US). "Essential Trout Flies" by Dave Hughes.  He identifies the major styles (Comparadun, parachute, traditional Catskill, spent spinner, thorax, etc.) and tells under which conditions each would be best, and how to fish them, and how to tie them.  Check it out http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0811727483/qid=963285608/sr=1-… -4362007-9744861 Good luck Regards, Jeff

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InTheBite.Com has now added a full feature message board.  You can tell your fish stories, communicate with other fisherman, find fishing partners or post classifieds.  Just one more way we keep you "In the bite!" They even have a protected forum just for professional captains and crews. Check it out at:  http://www.inthebite.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.inthebite.com We are currently covering the 17th Annual Treasure Cay International Billfish Tournament and Our very own Robert "The Fly" Navorro is covering the 1st Annual June Moon Tournament in St.Thomas. Check in daily to see updates and results. Next week we round out the Bahamas Billfish Championships in Boat Harbour. This should be exciting to see who will win the 2000 title. Tournament updates will continue and in the near future we will have a system where you will be able to choose the tournaments updates of your choice. InTheBite.com http://www.inthebite.com The Crews Source

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http://www.inthebite.com We are currently covering the 17th Annual Treasure Cay International Billfish Tournament and Our very own Robert "The Fly" Navorro is covering the 1st Annual June Moon Tournament in St.Thomas. Check in daily to see updates and results. Next week we round out the Bahamas Billfish Championships in Boat Harbour. This should be exciting to see who will win the 2000 title. Tournament updates will continue and in the near future we will have a system where you will be able to choose the tournaments updates of your choice. InTheBite.com http://www.inthebite.com The Crews Source

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Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I cn get them? Ari

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Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I cn get them?

Um……U.S Post Office?

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I have a first day issue of these stamps.  They were released on May 31, 1991 by the US post office. If you live in the US, look in your local phone book for a stamp collector store.  They will probably have it.  I first day issue will probably cost about $10, a strip about $5.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I cn get them? Ari

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Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I can get them?

I don’t know if they are still available in the Post Office or not — occasionally I see someone offer a booklet of them on eBay at auction. Fleetwood is still selling First Day Covers and Postcards so you can get a description of the stamps by going to their web site and searching for "fishing flies" http://www.unicover.com/unisearch.htm? At the time of issue the Post Office also put out a framed print of a fly fisherman with all five stamps included.  I have one around here somewhere but couldn’t find it to provide a better description. I’m not a stamp collector myself but am trying to round up copies of all the first day stuff for the Largemouth Bass stamp. Have a great weekend, — Clyde Drury Black Bass Book Collector http://members.aol.com/BassBks/index.html

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I’ve been boating for over 20 years and fly fishing for half of that…while waders will not "sink" you, they will act as a sea anchor if not used with a belt…they should  be great for keeping your feet warm when used with a dry suit…great idea.  KA I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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Most people who drown in waders are wearing the old style rubberized canvass waders, they are big an baggy and would hold allot of water. Additionally most people who drown while wearing waders are not wearing a PFD.  Most modern waders are neoprene and have a snug fit.  Still you should always wear a belt to keep water from going down into the legs, and always wear a PFD, especially in cold water!!!!!!! SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim,  be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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I tried it myself a couple years ago when I was playing with the Buzz SOT, and stayed bone dry. I made a neoprene belt. i dunno about classIV+ swims. Those experiments ended when I found a nearly new Kokatat dry suit for $200. But this winter I’ll combine them for a real cold trip. Gregg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim, be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try neoprene waders under the dry suit. This would add a little more bulk and not all boats would have space. But putting the wader into the dry suit then donning the whole thing would eliminate wrestling with  the ankle gaskets. Feet would stay toasty dry, ass would also be warm and dry also and that alone should save lots of body heat. There might be excess air in the legs, but there wouldn’t be any reason not to walk out into 4′ feet of water for a quick burp out the neck gasket. This might actually be too warm for any padding when air temps aren’t below freezing, but that’s a risk I’d take. Risk of flooding would be exactly the same as the dry suit minus the waders . Maybe I should just get a thousand pair from China, slap on cool logos and sell them in Outside magazine for $200. Gregg

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Hi, Intested to know if there is some good trout streams within a 1 to 2 hour drive of Cheyenne.  I maybe moving there and would like to know in advance if there are trout out and about. Thanks

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There is some great lake fishing for trout within a short distance, just outside of Laramie. The Laramie is not bad, the Poudre and Big Thomson rivers in Colorado are good, and you will also be fairly near the North Platte Miracle Mile and Greys Reef sections, which can be awesome. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Intested to know if there is some good trout streams within a 1 to 2 hour drive of Cheyenne.  I maybe moving there and would like to know in advance if there are trout out and about. Thanks

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Hi All, This most certainly has been discussed before, so forgive any repetition. I currently have a pair of rubber coated canvas waders. Eventually these will fail and need replacement…at least that’s what I tell my wife . So far they have held up through two seasons, but you never know…. Does anyone have experience with 5mm vs 3mm neoprene waders? Specifically, what is the durability difference between the two (if any)? Is one more prone to pinhole leaks than the other? What about heat retention? Fishing here in Georgia, we have a much longer warm season than say, Montana, so insulation is not as big a factor. What about fishing from a float tube..wouldn’t the neoprene be better than the canvas? (looking for purchase justification here!! ) Thanks in advance, –John        John Carney          Fly Fisher & Parrot Head

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Fishing here in Georgia, we have a much longer warm season than say, Montana, so insulation is not as big a factor. What about fishing from a float tube..wouldn’t the neoprene be better than the canvas? (looking for purchase justification here!! )

Hell in GA I’d skip the neoprene and go for the Gortex.  I would think that the heat would be more of a problem than the cold.  5mm are very very warm, Xmas of 95, I was in a river with 6" of ice and was comfortable.  They’d probably cook you in Dixie!!! jg

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Does anyone have experience with 5mm vs 3mm neoprene waders? Specifically, what is the durability difference between the two (if any)?

I’ve been using 3mm Simms neoprenes for several years now.  They have remained warm and flexible.  Whatever brand you buy, spend a little more than you can afford. Is one more prone to pinhole leaks than the other?

Pinholes don’t seem to be the main problem, rather leaks at seams, especially when you do a lot of tubing in them. What about heat retention? Fishing here in Georgia, we have a much longer warm season than say, Montana, so insulation is not as big a factor.

3mm keep me good and warm, but early in the season I do wear some Thermax bibs.  During warm season a pair of light thermal pants or silks will help keep you from getting too clammy from sweat.  I got the thinner neoprenes because I figure I can always add extra insulation when it’s cold, but you can’t reduce the insulation of a 5mm wader when it’s hot. What about fishing from a float tube..wouldn’t the neoprene be better than the canvas? (looking for purchase justification here!! )

Even in high summer tubing gets cold, because all the heat eventually gets leeched away, no matter what you’re wearing.  I find that I can last about 3-4 hours at a stretch in 50 degree water before I have to get out and warm up and take a leak.  Only problem I’ve had with neoprenes in my tube is some slight leaking as the seams stretch because I sit in the tube, and the slight chaffing on the upper thigh where the neoprene rubs against the material of the tube. Anglerboy

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This most certainly has been discussed before, so forgive any repetition. I currently have a pair of rubber coated canvas waders. Eventually these will fail and need replacement…at least that’s what I tell my wife . So far they have held up through two seasons, but you never know…. Does anyone have experience with 5mm vs 3mm neoprene waders? Specifically, what is the durability difference between the two (if any)? Is one more prone to pinhole leaks than the other? What about heat retention? Fishing here in Georgia, we have a much longer warm season than say, Montana, so insulation is not as big a factor. What about fishing from a float tube..wouldn’t the neoprene be better than the canvas? (looking for purchase justification here!! )

Hi John, The 3 mil waders will do everything you want them to down to water temperatures of ~42.  Usually below 42 degrees I have to put some mid weight synthetic longs on underneath them.  Above that I use the lightweight synthetic longs to keep any moisture off my skin and keep it between my longs and the waders.  The 3 mil neoprenes will give you the flexibility  you want and the comfort while float tubing.  Take a llok at the Orvis Hi-back 3mil neoprenes ($225) or the bare bones version the Clearwater neoprenes ($98). If it is usually hot most of the time you are fishing, you should check out the breathable waders.  Orvis makes two models.  The No-Sweat wader for $305 which feature a brushed micro-fiber outer fabric, knee pads, and a floating heel (easier to fit various shoe sizes)on the neoprene foot.  They just came out this year with the Clearwater No-Sweat waders for $165.  They are made out of a tightly woven nylon outer fabric, have the standard type of neoprene foot and no knee pads.  Not quite as durable as the premium No-Sweats, but covered with the same guarantee (4 years) and about 1/2 the price of other breathable waders.  Keep in mind that the breathable waders offer no insulation of their own and they don’t stretch.  As long as you layer accordingly underneath for colder weather they are fine, and nothing is more comfortable on a hot day.                          Hope this helps,                                  Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi All, This most certainly has been discussed before, so forgive any repetition. I currently have a pair of rubber coated canvas waders. Eventually these will fail and need replacement…at least that’s what I tell my wife . So far they have held up through two seasons, but you never know…. Does anyone have experience with 5mm vs 3mm neoprene waders? Specifically, what is the durability difference between the two (if any)? Is one more prone to pinhole leaks than the other? What about heat retention? Fishing here in Georgia, we have a much longer warm season than say, Montana, so insulation is not as big a factor. What about fishing from a float tube..wouldn’t the neoprene be better than the canvas? (looking for purchase justification here!! ) Thanks in advance, –John       John Carney         Fly Fisher & Parrot Head

Hi John, The 3mm neoprene is the standard in the industry with 5mm being more durable, warmer and less flexible. For serious float-tubers, 5mm will hold up longer. Gor-Tex is coming on very strong, as this will be the year of the breathable Gor-Tex wader. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I have been fishing with Orvis Clearwater Gortex waders this year in Minnesota.  Yesterday I went out and it was 15 degrees.  I wore my waders with fleece pants and long underwear.  It was toasty.  In the summer I know they will be a thosand times more comfortable than the 2mm neoprenes I had before. Mike H

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To this thread specifically. I have used Body Glove 5mm’s for the last 8 years. Got some cheap Hodgman 3mm’s for Christmas.   Wished I’d of had the 5mm’s on saturday.  Toes got cold for the first time in 8 years.  They were dry, but cold. Summer heat, the 3s’ll be a godsend. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Al, I still can’t seem to get to the new group from IBM’s ADVANTIS network so other folks may be having similar problems with their news servers. Hopefully they will all be ironed out soon. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA Hi Charlie, Sorry to hear you network is not carrying the tying newsgroup – at least I assume this is the problem. My last look at the group indicated about 75 messages on the current screen. Maybe a call or email to your network server would be in order. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

That’s all it’ll take.  The ROFFT group is definitely going. Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy

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Hi Sandy. Keep plugging away, the group is being accessed by UK readers. Damn good stuff too. I’ve currently got something like 175 news items stored. E.mail your provider and tell them of your problems.                                        Read you soon. Dave T. , I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s , gone.  No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, with something (anything) to say!

– dave tait

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Hi Sandy. Keep plugging away, the group is being accessed by UK readers. Damn good stuff too. I’ve currently got something like 175 news items stored. E.mail your provider and tell them of your problems.

Just to clarify things… The newsgroup is indeed globally created and has been receiving quite a bit of traffic.  I was out of town for the weekend and when I returned there were 96 new messages. If you still can’t access the group the problem is with your provider.  Some service provides don’t "auto-create" new newsgroups and you’ll specifically have to ask them to add the group to their subscribed list.  In any case, there isn’t anything that anyone that is reading this newsgroup can do about the local problem. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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This newsgroup still doesn’t exist…for me.  Is it active?

:   : , I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. : , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s : , gone. :   :   No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages : appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, : with something (anything) to say! — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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I’m unable to find this group either.  Address again?  The one I got a week ago just doesn’t connect, at least on my server… — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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I’m unable to find this group either.  Address again?  The one I got a week ago just doesn’t connect, at least on my server… — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying is what I have been trying to join. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA

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Al, I still can’t seem to get to the new group from IBM’s ADVANTIS network so other folks may be having similar problems with their news servers. Hopefully they will all be ironed out soon. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA

Hi Charlie, Sorry to hear you network is not carrying the tying newsgroup – at least I assume this is the problem. My last look at the group indicated about 75 messages on the current screen. Maybe a call or email to your network server would be in order. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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, I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s , gone.  No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, with something (anything) to say!

Something is wrong on your end.  My site did not add the group until it was officially released, but since then (a week or so) there have been around a dozen messages a day on it. Dave

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Hi Vic, I’ve been corresponding through the tying newsgroup with several folks who use AOL and they seem to have no problem. Anyway the tying group seems to be taking off. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

Al, I still can’t seem to get to the new group from IBM’s ADVANTIS network so other folks may be having similar problems with their news servers. Hopefully they will all be ironed out soon. — Charlie Choc Charles E. Choc & Associates Computer Telephony Consulting Marietta Georgia, USA

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I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s gone. Is this a common problem for AOL members or am I doing something stupid again? Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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Hi Vic, I’ve been corresponding through the tying newsgroup with several folks who use AOL and they seem to have no problem. Anyway the tying group seems to be taking off. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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, I am having trouble accessing the fly tying group through America On Line. , It will show up for a while and then disappear. When I search for it-it’s , gone.   No one seems to be posting there. I keep loggin on, but no new messages appear. We need a few people to log on to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, with something (anything) to say!

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp

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Why rely on second-hand responses when you can go right to the source?   Go to http://www.flyfield.com on the web to the Fly and Field fly tying site.  The Red Fox Squirrel Nymph is this month’s featured pattern from Dave Whitlock.

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writes: Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp

Taken from "Masters On the Nymph", edited by Migel & Wright, 1979 Lyons & Burford Pub. Dave’s Red Fox Squirrel Nymph – taken verbatim from Dave Whitlock, p.135. Hook:           Mustad 9671, sizes 4-18 Body Weight:    6 to 10 wraps lead at thorax Thread:         Black Tail:           Sparse tuft of red-fox squirrel back hair, including                   both guard and underfur 1/2 length of hook shank Rib:            Small oval tinsel Abdomen:        Red-fox squirrel belly fur Thorax:         Red-fox squirrel back fur (with guard and underfur                     included) Wingcase:       Dark brown swiss straw or turkey tail Legs:           Either guard hairs of red-fox squirrel back or one turn                 of dark partridge hackle     The commercial version of this fly is typically tied with partridge hackle, synthetic dubbing and no wingcase – without a bit of red-fox squirrel in the entire fly! Good Tying,             Alan Barnard                         Kiene’s Fly Shop                         Sacramento, Ca.

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern.

I’ve kept a copy of the original 5 page Dave Whitlock article from a "Fly Fisherman" magazine of many years ago, so here’s a word-for-word recital of same. Dave doth spake unto us, and he said: "Dave Whitlock’s *Standard* Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph Hook:    Mustad 9671 or Tiemco Nymph Hook, #2 to #18 Thread:  Black or dark brown nylon Cement:  Dave’s Flexament [of course! ;^)] Weight:  Lead or copper wire Abdomen: Belly fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic            sparkle dubbing. Abdomen should be 1/2 to 2/3 of overall body length. Thorax:  Back fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic            sparkle dubbing. Thorax should be 1/2 to 1/3 of overall body length. Rib:     Gold wire or oval tinsel Tail:    Small tuft of back fur from red fox squirrel skin. Tail is          approximately 1/2 of hook shank length. Note: Squirrel tail hair is completely unsatisfactory for this nymph’s body or tail! Hair from the animal’s body, not the tail, must be used. That is why [he insists] on calling it the Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph. Many tyers have confused this nymph with one of the many squirrel-tail patterns." If the argument is about the dubbing mix, Dave suggested the following: Thorax blend: Cut or shave the back hair off the skin and mix thoroughly in a small coffee-grinder-type blender. Cut yarn or synthetic dubbing into 3/8 to 1/2 inch lengths. Place the synthetic in the blender and mix it thoroughly. Now take a proper 70/30 portion of fur and synthetic and blend those together. Abdomen blend: Cut or shave the belly hair off the skin and repeat the procedure outlined above, except for the belly fur synthetic color and the 60:40 fur to synthetic ratio. Notes: – no wing case is necessary. – nymph should be tied "in the round". – thorax should be enlarged compared to the abdomen and losely wound so the     guard-hair tips will radiate to simulate legs, wing cases, antenna, and       gills in a fuzzy "halo" (fwiw: I use a small strip of the Velcro "hook"       material glued to a popsicle stick to tease the thorax on this and similar     hair nymphs). – tail has 4 or 5 guard hairs and a small bunch of underfur. Try to leave only   the tan base exposed (tie down and dub over the gray base hair). – Antron sparkle yarn is great for the synthetic part of the dubbing mixes.     I use their Amber Stone for the belly (abdomen) mix, and a mixture of Black,   Gray, and Brown for the back (thorax) mix. Hope this settles the argument! Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks

Try the Fly and Field web site http://www.flyfield.com/ Last time I looked there were detailed tying instructions and photographs. Simon Simon Lusk Fly Fishing New Zealand on the WWW http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro Department of Consumer Technology Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand

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I am planning a trip to Padre Island sometime in Sept. I want to wade and fish for RED (big red) fish and speckle trout around this area. Any recommendation on where to fish and what kind of fly to use ? I have a canoe. Should I take it with me ? Is the water in the Laguna Madre too rough for canoeing ? Thank in advance for your input, Mr T.

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Uh…return mail bounced so… The Original Message follows: Received: by universe.digex.net id AA26238 Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing In rec.outdoors.fishing you write: I am planning a trip to Padre Island sometime in Sept. I want to wade and fish for RED (big red) fish and speckle trout around this area. Any recommendation on where to fish and what kind of fly to use ? I have a canoe. Should I take it with me ? Is the water in the Laguna Madre too rough for canoeing ?

You don’t say which part of PI you’re heading to and, from your question on canoeing, I assume that you’ve never seen the bays.  So, let me give you a few (hopefully) helpful hints.  First, typically the LM is not too rough to canoe in—it’s just too darn big!  The fish have a whole bunch of area to potentially be in at any given time, so your job will be to cover some water and look for favorable conditions.  The three most important things defining “favorable” are: (1) Bait, (2) Bait, and (3) Bait.  You *must* find where the bait are: it’s no guarantee that fish are there, but if there’s no bait there will almost certainly be no fish. Secondly, I have been in situations where a flyrod would’ve been the best choice, but I feel that those situations are extremely rare and specific.  If you are wading deeper water with no algae growth and if you are searching for fish, use some other tackle choice.  OTOH, if you are in a situation where you are surrounded by feeding reds that are tailing and are in shallow flats, say up against a grass line, or are laying under some sort of algae growth (I was in such a situation 2 weeks ago in the Port O’Connor area) then by God a fly rod can be darn handy! OK, enough of that.  Back to the canoe.  If you’re not sure of the area, and I suspect that you are not, I would suggest something that will get you around better than a canoe—maybe a Jetski, or some such thing.  If you’re heading to Port Isabel, well I can offer a couple of suggestions that you can drive to (i.e. they are accessible by land) and that you can wade directly. cheers, (and good luck) john P.S. Remember: The fishing is *always* good, sometimes the *catching* is not.

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