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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s the headline on a story in today’s Centre Deadly Times. Some details: The Penn’s Valley Conservation Association has begun installing deflectors, made of hemlock logs and limestone ballast, in the Creek  near Coburn. The deflectors measure 56 feet by 32 feet.  They will cover a stretch of stream  about 1000 feet long. No completion date was given. These types of stream improvement projects were popular twenty or thirty years ago. I thought they had become out of favor for a variety of reasons. I think we should mitigate damage than we have done to streams and rivers, but I have problems with the concept of putting in  man made objects to improve streams even if it makes the fish catching better. Are they still popular back East?

A couple of my favorite Back Eastern rivers are much more hospitable to the finned critters because TU erected wing dams and planted willows…

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The only trout stream in Central Ohio was …’improved’ many years ago by farming. the stream, which was appropriately named the Mad River, meandered, twisted and turned for many miles. This habitually moving stretch of water was ‘channeled to make it flow more straight and not interfere with farming. Today, it reminds me of the concrete troughs of a fish hatchery. Local clubs and groups are forever trying to ‘improve’ the stream. Various damns and deflectors help restore some of the cover that was lost. ….there is no point to this post so don’t look for it…. john

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These types of stream improvement projects were popular twenty or thirty years ago. I thought they had become out of favor for a variety of reasons. I think we should mitigate damage than we have done to streams and rivers, but I have problems with the concept of putting in  man made objects to improve streams even if it makes the fish catching better. Are they still popular back East? Willi

Some of the sections of Penns that I’ve been on, run pretty straight and flat, especially the section near Coburn.  If the Holy Water can tolerate a few log jams, I’m sure Penns can. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only trout stream in Central Ohio was …’improved’ many years ago by farming. the stream, which was appropriately named the Mad River, meandered, twisted and turned for many miles. This habitually moving stretch of water was ‘channeled to make it flow more straight and not interfere with farming. Today, it reminds me of the concrete troughs of a fish hatchery. Local clubs and groups are forever trying to ‘improve’ the stream. Various damns and deflectors help restore some of the cover that was lost. ….there is no point to this post so don’t look for it…. john

john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff

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john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff

Hell, you deny everything from the time you get up each day.  So what’s new?

  george.vcf

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john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff Hell, you deny everything from the time you get up each day.  So what’s new?

Shouldn’t you be ruining some ferrules for more soon-to-be-ex-customers? /daytripper (Thinking about Ginking? See www.ginkstinks.org)

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…….Every old #12 we have here beats anything daytripper is strugglilng with.

Not sure that’s true.  It would appear that it’s damned near impossible to keep it lit. Wolfgang don’t bogart that stake my friend…..

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  There’s a 72% chance that your problem is that you’re sending only about 5/6 of a fly rod to each customer.  No charge for this one….

ROTFLOL!!!!

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.  You, on the other hand don’t know

100 fly rods for 130 customers. Jesus H. Christ, how many different people got #12? – — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7z2B4rpli/675/DERArbUAKDnIgvhJtyyFM7gHSF6y9MjtSORZgCfQcVW fXl0F8mo4RaW533IyCKfqzc= =ir2+ —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers. Being the astute mathematician I am, I’m in a position to help your business as a consultant here George.  There’s a 72% chance that your problem is that you’re sending only about 5/6 of a fly rod to each customer.  No charge for this one….

Being the man about bamboo town, 5/6th’s of anything I do beats any plastic job you’re using Jeff.  But that is alright.  At least you’re fishing ’something’ even if it is only half as nice as bamboo.  (still guessing 50/50  and still flipping that dime, huh?) Take care Jeff. Mr.G.

  george.vcf

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Do you want an old #12 Wolfgang?   Numberology is religeous truth.  Every old #12 we have here beats anything daytripper is strugglilng with.  Trust me.  You would be the 13th owner and proud to have one.  How should I label it now? hum???? #13 of #12? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Ah, so old #12 is now in the hands of its thirtieth happy customer! Well, ain’t that a wonderment! Wolfgang numerology sucks

  george.vcf

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.

Ah, so old #12 is now in the hands of its thirtieth happy customer! Well, ain’t that a wonderment! Wolfgang numerology sucks

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Why in the world would they want to screw up a perfectly good fishing area. I read the article seems to me they will be screwing up Penns below Coburn with more silt and debris.    mike www.centredailytimes.com go to news

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.

Being the astute mathematician I am, I’m in a position to help your business as a consultant here George.  There’s a 72% chance that your problem is that you’re sending only about 5/6 of a fly rod to each customer.  No charge for this one….

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.  You, on the other hand don’t know anything about bamboo fly rods  because you’ve proven that over and over again.  That I build a phenominal, high quality fly rod now seems to escape you.  So why don’t you just put it in your ear?

Fuck off, moron. Your rods are the joke of the industry – right behind your own visage. Everyone here knows the saga of #6, #11, and #12, to name a famous few. You raved about how fine those pieces of shite were, too, and tried to trash more than a few victims along the way who had the temerity to return them. Hell, #12 was an industry joke, returned by three different people before you finally snuck off and gave it away outright. btw, I have more than a few fine cane rods. Add them together and I could buy your single-wide right out from under you. None of them have your name on them. Coincidence? I don’t think so You want to play? You want me to have to beat you with the clue bat again? I got all the ammo I’ll ever need, and all of it is in your own words. Maybe roll out the entire Original Book of Gink, chapter by chapter? Should be great for bizness, eh? Go for it, Gehrkins. So stick all that where sun don’t shine, whacko. God knows you got plenty of room up there… hth? /daytripper

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Daytripper, I built over (OVER) 100 bamboo fly rods last year and that means over 130  very happy, happy customers.  You, on the other hand don’t know anything about bamboo fly rods  because you’ve proven that over and over again.  That I build a phenominal, high quality fly rod now seems to escape you.  So why don’t you just put it in your ear? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – john, john, john. How many times do we have to tell you: nullifying disclaimers go at the TOP of the post. Geeze… /daytripper (For the sake of good order ‘n’ stuff Hell, you deny everything from the time you get up each day.  So what’s new? Shouldn’t you be ruining some ferrules for more soon-to-be-ex-customers? /daytripper (Thinking about Ginking? See www.ginkstinks.org)

And regarding the above posting by yourself, let us just check that out and see who the hell wants to start something?  It better not be active, let me say that just for starters.

  george.vcf

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That’s the headline on a story in today’s Centre Deadly Times. Some details: The Penn’s Valley Conservation Association has begun installing deflectors, made of hemlock logs and limestone ballast, in the Creek  near Coburn. The deflectors measure 56 feet by 32 feet.  They will cover a stretch of stream  about 1000 feet long. No completion date was given.

These types of stream improvement projects were popular twenty or thirty years ago. I thought they had become out of favor for a variety of reasons. I think we should mitigate damage than we have done to streams and rivers, but I have problems with the concept of putting in  man made objects to improve streams even if it makes the fish catching better. Are they still popular back East? Willi

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Vince,   I think this would be above the junction with Elk, a stretch which is stocked by the state. I may be wrong, keep us posted.                        Tom

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That’s the headline on a story in today’s Centre Deadly Times. Some details: The Penn’s Valley Conservation Association has begun installing deflectors, made of hemlock logs and limestone ballast, in the Creek  near Coburn. The deflectors measure 56 feet by 32 feet.  They will cover a stretch of stream  about 1000 feet long. No completion date was given. vince norris

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I have followed this newsgroup for quite awhile now and some of you guys that complain the most about spaming always promote your own web site, now what is this??? Is this spaming???  When I post something here or anywhere else I do not put my web address down and I have not told anybody here or any other board that I am selling Bastard Bamboo, St.Croix , GLoomis, Eastbranch rods, Phillipson, Goodwin & Grangers Heddons, Southbends, H&I, Montagues, Orvis, or any other product I sell… When I posted that I really liked the Black Raven I was telling the truth about the rod.. I was really impressed with this rod.. AIt casted real smooth..When I go fly fishing it is adventure for me because I am in a wheelchair and I always have a hand full of rods to fish with and I usually fish with all the rods I take fishing with me, and I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..  Actually I just started flyfishing and I caught my first trout on an Bamboo Flyrod, Whoops it was a Bastard  flyrod maybe this is an ilegal word here, but I really dont care what is an ilegal word..   I am really sorry if I am spaming about my Heddons,Phillipsons,Southbends,ETC..   Come on guys forget the past and lets jsut talk about fishing and if that Word Bastard come up just let it go, because a Bastard can catch fish just like an Orvis rod can catch fish..  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

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        (blah blah blah)  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

        dave, just go mix another drink, and forget about it.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[snipped] Dave, it’s been explained to you already, but once more for emphasis: you’d never been seen here before, and suddenly a post from out of nowhere appears, overflowing with ebullient praise for a rod built by someone that had thoroughly worn out his welcome here. And adding the bit about "buying ten of them" was like waving a red flag in the face of many folks here. Thus the reaction. But it appears that those same folks might owe you an apology… [el snippo] I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..

LOL! Welll…..No comment ;^) Stick around, Dave. /daytripper

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.) — Ken Fortenberry

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I was young, rich and attractive. Thank *you*. — Charlie…

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. Wolfgang Director, ROFF Office of Research

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…  I think we are about equal in our chances of getting our wishes. HTH? You’re Welcome R (who knows Slim just stole None’s horse, and is border-bound…)

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I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster.

My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not! — Opie  –I *hope* this doesn’t piss the wrong people off– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not!

I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas.

Ah, that’s the problem: that only works to get you back *to* Kansas, you need a tornado to get you out<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.)

When did Louie grow a mustache? /daytripper (OK, now I gotta run and hide. Buh byeeeeeee! ;^)

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R wrote snip::I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…

The only way to get the damn thing to go away is to hit read msg. Big Dale

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It is about fishing.  If big oil get’s their empty suit in the White House look forward to clear cuts,  cynaide leach mines,  oil spills in ANWF and all imaginable kinds of hell loosed upon the earth.  The forces of greed want your fishing hole. BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more.

My kinda grandma!  Never got to know any of my own.  Can I borrow yours some time? Wolfgang over the river and through the woods

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal. You’re welcome. "My father said to be strong, that a good man could never do wrong  in a dream I had last night in America" -Los Lobos

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Why, do they not make Tri-Delts anymore, or was there only one window in time when they were universally considered desirable?  I know in my undergraduate days (69-73) they were thought (and I believe thought themselves) hotter than heat. Me, I never saw it:  preferred hippy girls in peasant shirts and jeans. BTW, are we allowed to talk about women here, or only politics? JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     "Tri-Delts" gives your approximate age away. [an assumption, but held until informed.] (MC’s comment snipped for space) I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal.

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     I don’t know, it seems odd to be fixated on redheads, but even more outr

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I have guide trips booked on the Bitterroot and Beaverhead in late August. Some of the fly shop reports say don’t bother going. My guides say there will be plenty of water and that the Bitterroot will start having more water in the next few days from dam releases. What is the real story?? Thanks.

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It’ll be worth it no matter what. One of the more beautiful places in the world you can spend time sitting in a boat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have guide trips booked on the Bitterroot and Beaverhead in late August. Some of the fly shop reports say don’t bother going. My guides say there will be plenty of water and that the Bitterroot will start having more water in the next few days from dam releases. What is the real story?? Thanks.

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The Beaverhead is absolutely not fishable!  Just kidding, actually there have been some good reports.  It looked easier to fish from a boat than wading though. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Fishable from ‘dam releases’??? The Bitterroot is a freestone. There is Painted Rocks Reservoir but it’s not a large body of water and I don’t think they are going to increase the release from it any time soon (at least till rain and/or September comes. I even question it then. There is still water in the river but the lower portion is less than half its normal flow. FWP has already requested people not fish or restrict their fishing to early morning/late evening. What with the dry conditions and all, don’t be surprised if they temporarily ban fishing. The Blackfoot, for example, reached it’s ‘drought implementation plan’ level yesterday. Now they are asking people to stop irrigating, etc. so they can keep a minimum flow in there for the fish. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have guide trips booked on the Bitterroot and Beaverhead in late August. Some of the fly shop reports say don’t bother going. My guides say there will be plenty of water and that the Bitterroot will start having more water in the next few days from dam releases. What is the real story?? Thanks.

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Ever had one of those days that just keeps getting better and better?  I came home from work today and had a slip to go pick up a package at the post office.  I stayed up tying flies and then someone knocked on the door.  It was the post man with another package from Wayno with raffle items.  Cool shirt and a very nice picture.  So, I go back to tying flies and at 11 am go to the post office and pick up a box from my aunt and uncle.   I get home and there is a fedex guy walking ahead of me.  He stops at the mail boxes after saying hello and I go on to my apartment.  A few moments later there is a knock on the door.  Open the door and Mr FedEx is there.  We both kinda laughed since he could have just given me the envelope outside.  I come back inside and open the box from aunt and uncle and it is one of those talking bass things.  After reading about them here I was a little skeptical so I opened the envelope (again from Wayno). Inside the envelope were a bunch of pictures of the Carolina clave.  I went through these a couple of times and had fun reading the notes on the back of them.  Then I fired ol’ Billy Bass up and got a chuckle from that.  I went through the pictures from Wayno again and think I got more chuckles from those however. So around 12:30 I decide I better get some sleep.  I have to get up at 4:30 to go to work so I lay down and almost as soon as I start falling asleep the phone rings.  I debated on answering it, but given the short time to the clave I decided I better because it might be a clavester in need of assistance.  I answer the phone and it was Bob Card whom you might remember from here a while back.  He and I have been emailing each other for a while because he was supposed to come out here on a business trip.  Didn’t hear from him for about a month so I emailed him again about a week and a half ago. Well, turns out that Bob is going to be in Bozeman this coming up weekend.  He and a friend will be arriving just in time for the clave and will be able to show up friday when they are done and then some on saturday before leaving from Butte Saturday at 6 pm.  Talk about luck!   Bob and I chatted for a bit, but now I am afraid to go to sleep because something else might happen.  I should run out and buy a lotto ticket or something.  The way today is going I will be tired, but I sure as hell am enjoying today anyway!  I even got another dozen tied for my fly box Oh, and I almost forgot to mention the neat flies that somebody sent me.  Got those when I was home for lunch last night.  I shall guard their name as closely as I guard the names of my favorite fishing spots unless they wish to name themselves and start tying up dozens more for the people who will no doubt want a set too <g   Well, maybe I should try and get some sleep. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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 Oh, Clavemeister.    You don’t have to guard the name.  They are Frank’s Fightin’ Craws tied in a size ten and a tan color to match Montana crawdads.  With my compliments, I hope they work.                   Frank Reid

You better start tying now.  I imagine you will be receiving orders *very* soon <g  Just make sure to caution everyone that these things do bite.  Took me an hour once I unleashed them to gather them back up and contain them again. Thanks again Frank.  I can’t get over how cool these things are. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Oh, and I almost forgot to mention the neat flies that somebody sent me.  Got those when I was home for lunch last night.  I shall guard their name as closely as I guard the names of my favorite fishing spots unless they wish to name themselves and start tying up dozens more for the people who will no doubt want a set too <g

   Oh, Clavemeister.     You don’t have to guard the name.  They are Frank’s Fightin’ Craws tied in a size ten and a tan color to match Montana crawdads.  With my compliments, I hope they work.                    Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England? Bill W

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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England?

Bill, Vermont Trout Streams by Farrow Allen is an excellent resource.  It is published by Northern Cartographic in Burlington Vermont.  Fly Tiers Heaven website is a local fly shop that stocks many regional books.  Hope this helps. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England? Bill W

Hi, A really good book, but just for Vermont is : Fishing Vermont’s Streams and Lakes by Peter Cammann, published by Backcountry Press. I assume there are similar books for other N.E. states, but my sister lives in vermont, so there you go. Bill

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At least for Maine there are some books by a guy named Al Raychard, "Allagash" by Dean Bennett, and "Complete Guide to Fly Fishing Maine" by Bob Newman. Chris

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I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

I’ve never used one of these and frankly won’t. Some of these I’ve seen caution about possible injury to the fish if the fish is to be released. used improperly it could rupture the fishes gut. Would you pump your child’s stomach or take them to doctor? Better to kill the 1st fish and check the stomach contents. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. —                          webpage:   http://www.halcyon.com/macdanny/                         To email, remove anti-spam "XX" from address.

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I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. —                          webpage:   http://www.halcyon.com/macdanny/                         To email, remove anti-spam "XX" from address.

Danny boy, We locals will use one of those damned things on the day that we volunteer for an air contrast barium enema and prostate exam on the same day.  I don’t want to know that badly.  If you insist, use it only on large fish.  Probably crawdads and minnows anyway. Jack Morgan Sheridan, MT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. —                          webpage:   http://www.halcyon.com/macdanny/                         To email, remove anti-spam "XX" from address. Danny boy, We locals will use one of those damned things on the day that we volunteer for an air contrast barium enema and prostate exam on the same day.  I don’t want to know that badly.  If you insist, use it only on large fish.  Probably crawdads and minnows anyway. Jack Morgan Sheridan, MT

I do not recommend using the stomach pump if you plan on releasing the fish and having it live.  Too much stress on the fish.  

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I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout?

I think if used properly, it won’t harm fish much. First off, it’s not really a "stomach" pump, it’s more of a "gullet" pump.  It only sucks up stuff from the fishes throat, which is what you really want anyway – that’s what the fish has been eating most recently.  Even if you did jam the thing all the way into the poor fishes stomach, all you’d get is a slimy gob of mostly digested stuff the fish ate a day ago anyway. Second, you should only use one on larger fish, 14" and over. Third, use it quickly – compress the bulb, place swiftly at the back of the fishes throat, suck, and promptly remove. That said, I’m not sure how useful they are on a regular basis, but occasionally they can provide some insight into a fishes diet. — Jeff Benjamin                benji(at)fc.hp.com Hewlett Packard Co.      Fort Collins, Colorado (Direct reply won’t work:  use address in .sig) "Think!  It ain’t illegal yet." -George Clinton

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I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Of course the first problem is to catch the fish, and once you’ve done that you know at least one thing that works.   8^ Further, used improperly you will burst the fish’s stomach, and used properly you will at least steal all the food they’ve eaten in the last couple of hours.  Since a fish can’t spend more energy than it takes in or it dies, you more than stress the fish.  If you are going to release the fish, best not to use one.  If you are going to keep the fish, you may as well cut open the digestive tract to examine the contents.  In either case, IMO a stomach pump is not needed.                               Good Fishing,                                    Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Those that use them, especially for trout, find lots of specifics about insects and other creatures that have been eaten.  Stomach contents are very easily recognized as long as they have been consumed recently. One word of caution:  Many who do this on a regular basis recommend replacing the reduced stomach contents with an equal amount of water taken from the stream or body of water where the fish was caught. Although one bulb full might seem insignificant to us, relative to the fish’s size, it’s a huge amount.  Replacing the volume removed by pumping out the contents helps to equalize the fish’s body pressure . Best Regards, I’ve recently started flyfishing again after several years. Last week, while in a local flyfishing shop, I saw a stomach pump for trout. Has anyone ever used one of these? And if so, did it work well? How stressful was it on the trout? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. —                         webpage:   http://www.halcyon.com/macdanny/                        To email, remove anti-spam "XX" from address.

         Trent Roberson            Rx F Fish  For Your Good Health, Fly Fish URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think if used properly, it won’t harm fish much. First off, it’s not really a "stomach" pump, it’s more of a "gullet" pump.  It only sucks up stuff from the fishes throat, which is what you really want anyway – that’s what the fish has been eating most recently.  Even if you did jam the thing all the way into the poor fishes stomach, all you’d get is a slimy gob of mostly digested stuff the fish ate a day ago anyway. Second, you should only use one on larger fish, 14" and over. Third, use it quickly – compress the bulb, place swiftly at the back of the fishes throat, suck, and promptly remove. That said, I’m not sure how useful they are on a regular basis, but occasionally they can provide some insight into a fishes diet.

well dude, in my point of view, using this kind of stuff is for predators or non sport fishermans (real ones). If you realy want to know the fish diet is to look arround, spend 1 morning and 1 evening, and teher you are.. that’s all, so easy. On this way you can know what you want and realy enjoy the outdoor, and of course the fishing… — Simon Zlachevsky http://www.scc.puc.cl/~szlachev/ Trata a los demas como te gustaria que te trataran a ti!                 /)                       O      /(                       |     /                       |   /                      /                 /             **                         ‘ () ‘                    ” /”                               UuUuUuUuUuU  Fly fishing, enjoy the outdoors, release the fish

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Thanks to all for their input.   As for now…It’s practice, practice, practice

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

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IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense.

My observation is that this is especially true if you start thinking about it too much… If you simply focus on the fish and the objective at hand, the fly simply ends up right…. …in the top of a tree… TimW

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IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense.

Dan,         I started to take exception to your statement, thought about it a moment, and realized…. I was lousy at sports my whole life.  It’s a wonder I can even throw a ball, and don’t expect me to throw it accurately. And, I’m left-handed.  My whole life is about awkward!  So, what do I know about how normal motion should feel? Tight lines, and keep your line off the handle, Charley

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I frimly beleive thta Lefty Kreh’s methods work the best. Find a book or video that he has done and try to employ his methods. A lot of what he taught me was employed fishing in harsh weather and in tournaments. Lefty uses his arms and shoulders more than wrist. Tight lines!! Ron

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

In actuality Baglock, how you move the rod doesn’t matter to the rod as long as you move the right distance for the appropriate amount of line with the right acceleration.  Doesn’t care what muscles you use either. If you move the rod in the correct manner you will get a good cast. Then the trick is to be able to repeat it over and over and be accurate and be comfortable all day when doing it.  To meet those criteria I recommend you try to use your forearm as an entire unit and try not to use your wrist at all.  Now the cast can’t actually be done well or easily without a final touch of wrist in each direction, but it is a VERY SMALL movement of the wrist.  If you try not to move your wrist you will probably move it about right, if you try to use your wrist you will move it too much. If you use your forearm as the main lever, you are using a big lever with strong muscles and only one real moving part – the elbow. Fewer variables, more reliable predictions and results.  If you use your wrist to make the cast you are using your hand – a tiny lever, your forearm muscles – which are much weaker than your biceps and triceps, and you have about 12? points of movement in your wrist making it much more difficult to reliably repeat the needed movements.  IMHO flycasting is really counter intuitive.  Everything your body tells you is right, isn’t.  What starts out feeling awkward – works.  Once you understand how a fly rod works, then how you need to move it makes sense. If you have trouble picking it up then here are some options: 1) take a casting lesson (best and fastest way to learn either small group or private) 2) join a local fly fishing club (great for all facets of FF and many offer lessons though quality of instructionmay vary from outstanding to barely OK . 3) get a copy of Mel Krieger’s "Essence of Flycasting (vol.1)"                           Hope this helps,                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast

Try the no wrist movement. It provides a tigher cast. Make sure your thumb is on the top of the handle and you should see it at 12 oclock when you stop on the back cast.

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions. Any good fly shop should be able to provide you with a good book and video on fly casting.  In the meantime, if you tie the end of the butt

section of your rod to your forearm and cast it, you’ll get the idea of how the cast should feel when properly done.  If you break your wrist on the back cast, you’ll likely increase your chances of bringing the tip back too far and slapping your line on the water behind you.  The same is true for the forward cast.  Good luck. Stan

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

I found the recent article in the September 96 issue of Fly Fisherman (Correcting 5 Casting Mistakes) to be very helpful.  Check it out. Team OS/2                  847.808.3913

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

Three thoughts come to mind: 1)      Devote some time to practice in your yard or at the park.  It’ll be easier         to focus on the casting when there is no chance of catching fish 2)      When my casting seems a little difficult, I focus on my backcast.  I try to         visualize abruptly opening a freezer door (like the ones on fridges where the freezer         section is on top).  While this may sound whacky, it usually serves to elevate and tighten         my backcast.  For me, casting troubles are usually rooted in a faulty backcast. 3)      Practice enough to feel the fod flex under the weight of the line. When you can feel         the rod at work, you will quickly be able to cast well.  You’ll also be able to adjust         to different rod actions because it will seem natural to adjust your stroke to maintain         the feeling of the rod at work. There are lots of helpful books on the subject.  Different conditions, rods, and target situations will have you using lots of wrist sometimes and little or no wrist other times. Hope this helps, August Kristoferson http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

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I am new to fly casting and looking for some comments.  I have heard that the "correct" cast has little  or no wrist action and the "correct" cast has plenty of quick wrist action.  Any opinions for a beginner?  btw- both methods seem to work with the wrist version feeling more natural.  No fighting now, just opinions.

Definitely no wrist action, use your arm.  Rod tip should be traveling in a straight line. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Don’t listen to what other people say , get new line if it is knicked.If you can find these colors they work good. 1.Trout-green;blue 2.Salmon-orange;yellow 3.Pike-gray;brown 4.Bass-dark green;mud                                                     Fellow Fisherman,                                                        Mr.Oralando

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Don’t listen to what other people say , get new line if it is knicked.If you can find these colors they work good. 1.Trout-green;blue 2.Salmon-orange;yellow 3.Pike-gray;brown 4.Bass-dark green;mud                        Fellow Fisherman,                            Mr.Oralando

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Don’t listen to what other people say , get new line if it is knicked.If you can find these colors they work good. 1.Trout-green;blue 2.Salmon-orange;yellow 3.Pike-gray;brown 4.Bass-dark green;mud

I started to respond to this,  but got so confused by the above message I forgot what I was going to say. Ernie Harrison

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: 1.Trout-green;blue : 2.Salmon-orange;yellow : 3.Pike-gray;brown : 4.Bass-dark green;mud :                        Fellow Fisherman, :                            Mr.Oralando : /dave (To KF or Not To KF: That is the Question ;^) Now, now.  Be nice. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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Would appreciate info on flyfishing opportunities in Nevada and Southwestern Utah.  Best times, fly types, locations, etc. Thanks to all.

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Would appreciate info on flyfishing opportunities in Nevada and Southwestern Utah.  Best times, fly types, locations, etc. Thanks to all.

William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi,    There is some excellent fishing up in the northeastern part of Nevada. While most of the flyfishing is floattube reservoir oriented, there are some stream fisheries.   The season is year around, techniques and locations change with the seasons. Winter means ice on most of the stillwaters, and that severely limits flyfishing. The tailwater fisheries below Wildhorse Reservoir and South Fork Reservoir stay open water in all but the coldest temperatures. The Collection Ditch at the Ruby Marshes also stays open and provides some good winter nymphing.   Early spring is the best fishing, and it is winding down at this time. Big rainbows head up the South Fork of the Humboldt above the reservoir starting at ice off and they can be caught on nymphs or midges. Near the inlets on all the reservoirs will show some fish on these techniques. The Collection Ditch at the Marshes and some of the Marsh areas produce big trout at this time (the Ditch collects the springs and routes the water to the various units–it is really a big spring creek)  Big runnoff time, which we are into now, generally means muddy water and the small waters and the Marsh are the best as they don’t get as muddy.  Post runoff finds the streams dropping and you can get into some of the areas like the Bruneau and Jarbidge river systems and these have good dry fly fishing for trout. The bass action starts to improve and three pound smallmouths on a flyrod will almost make you forget about trout.   Summer and warming water shifts the good fishing to the early mornings or after sunset–you can fish this area on almost all waters as long as the casinos stay open…   Fall fishing is excellent. The browns start spawning about the time the first frosts cut the bug populations. Most of the anglers have given up for the season, but the fishing is great.   That’s the year in a nutshell. There’s 1100 miles of streams and about 50 lake and reservoirs in the county, so it would take a book for specifics. Tight Lines, Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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I pretreat as I tie to avoid the gumming up problem Ralph refers too.  I use any paste floatant on my fingers as an example when spinning fur on thread to dub a body, or run a dry fly hackle thru thumb and forefinger after having dipped thumb in floatant. Works better for me than soaking in liqids(water seal, scotchguard or whatever)                        Mike in PDX               "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                           Tom McGuane

Hi Michael-    Cool idea. I’ll give it a try. Thanks!    -Ralph —

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Can anyone, particularly those of you who tie large quantities of flies, tell me what I can use to coat my dry flies.  I have tied several hundred dry flies this winter and want to apply that initial coat.  I know I can buy dry fly silicone mucilin at my fly shop, but I would like more than just a small bottle.  I have been told that Thompsons Water Seal can be used, as well as the silicon spray used to water treat clothes.  Is Thompson ok to use?  What else is out there? What do you mass tyier use?  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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I soak my dry flies in liquid silicone. It’s avialable from large automotive supply houses, etc. It’s less expensive than the stuff from the fly shop. Good luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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   I used to pretreat my flies but finally made the decision to stop. Silicone products leave a tackiness on the flies. This tackiness gets transferred to the fly box. Once a fly is used, algae and other bits of grime adhere to it and get carried into the flybox. In the coarse of a season this grime builds up and pretty soon the whole box has a sticky dirt coating its interior walls and the flies float worse than they would if they hadn’t been treated in the first place.    Many excellent anglers *do* pretreat their patterns, I found it wasn’t worth it to me.    Ralph Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

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    On the 19th of this month we will be taking a trip to the Green River in Utah.  If anyone’s been there recently could you tell me what the hatches have been like and what times.  Also any other suggestions that might help us out.  THANKS                           Fryman P.S.  Would someone give me a good definition of what a yuppie is, and        why does everyone talk about them.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Path: news.teleport.com!news.reed.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse .ogi.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!ne ws.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc18.et.byu.edu    On the 19th of this month we will be taking a trip to the Green River in Utah.  If anyone’s been there recently could you tell me what the hatches have been like and what times.  Also any other suggestions that might help us out.  THANKS                          Fryman P.S.  Would someone give me a good definition of what a yuppie is, and       why does everyone talk about them.  

I was just at the Green in late March.  It’s funny but all the hatch charts I found made it look like the BWO’s would be out in March.  When I got there (with a healthy selection of my favorite BWO ties) all the locals told me, "yeah, the charts are wrong…"  they all claimed that the BWO’s should be out in mid April.  So…   According to Larry Tullis (hatch chart in RIVER JOURNAL: GREEN RIVER) April shoud have: midges, BWO, Scuds, Redworms, Eggs, Minnows Leeches, & Crane flies.  For the midges I’d focus on Griffiths Gnats (20-24), and Brassies (18-20), and WD-40’s (20-22, local tie) – oh yeah, your magnifier…  The midges were good to me – numerous 16"-20" fish on 20 Griffiths.   anthony  

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