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<SNIP. A wise man once wrote… <SNIP      - Ken Very flattering!   Sometimes I can not help thinking that a "wise man" would keep his silence more often.

Probably, but what’s the fun of being wise if you can’t say stupid things every once in a while.  :-)      - Ken

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only evidence I have that you yourself might be a "real" or even a "good" angler is your oft-repeated assertions here that you are.  I have no overwhelming reason to disbelieve you other than the inherent little untruths contained in your entertaining exits from ROFF ("I will tell you a little story,  my all too eager to condemn friend. It does not matter a lot, as it will in any case be my last post to this newsgroup"), so I choose to assume you’re correct.  I do, however, have personal knowledge that Joe Howell is.  I also know that he would not, on the basis of reading few snippet quotes on a newsgroup, be so eager to condemn a fellow angler as a "greedy and self-serving human being" and a "snobby prat." JR

For the record. I have never asserted any such thing. What you or others choose to interpret, or believe,  is your own affair. You are indeed perfectly correct about my "exits". To be perfectly honest, very considerable thought and self-analysis notwithstanding, I can not for the life of me explain why I feel obliged to post here at all, or why I felt obliged to return. As I have no reasonable explanation, I will refrain from even attempting to tender one. As you so ably demonstrate in your description of my behaviour, and its consequences. What people say is important. Of the thousands of posts I have written in recent years, you remember the "exits", and the associated comments, and base your evaluation, of myself on that. Rather odd don

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As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework.

"Facts, schmacts. Anyone can prove anything even remotely true with facts." -Homer Simpson — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The spew continues http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap.

I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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I was a fast learner.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was a young lad and I spoke "Gink" my mother would wash my mouth out with soap. I would hope she still does… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

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I was a fast learner.

I should have said "still would"<g… — Charlie…

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        Hey Ken, What’s the fucking point posting the guys chapter 7 doc’s ?

My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record. — Ken Fortenberry

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I figured that’s what you meant Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was a fast learner. I should have said "still would"<g… — Charlie…

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him.

As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change It’s the public record, Harry, and I’ll brook no grief for posting a pointer to the public record.

I know it’s Public, and the fact you have it book marked  is mind boggling. Ken Fortenberry

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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My intent, the "fucking point" as you put it, is to show him a liar and to embarrass him. As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

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As if this has not been done by you and countless other for years now.The expected outcome is not going to change

I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

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… The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98…

LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him.

Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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I don’t know what you mean by "expected outcome". I think it important to post the truth every now and then for the benefit of the constantly changing readership who may not know the history of the group or the history of one of the most vile megalomaniacs ever to post here or anywhere else on Usenet. — Ken Fortenberry

 I’m sorry, I had not realized how deep the mutual animosity was here. Harry Mason www.troutflies.com How much is  Lexis-Nexis ? …think of the fun we could all have…..

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I’m pretty sure Ken posted what he did in the context of setting the record straight–not for the benefit of the person in question, but rather for those who might not know the history. –Steve

in other words " expose the man for what he really is……" is that it ?  Never mind ,I ‘m sorry  I got into this. I expect that kind vitriolic ranting of George, that is what he does. I was disappointed in Kens rather obsessed Crusade to Purge us of The George.   Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Maxx, I’ve looked into this NG on and off for a few years, and in that time any number of people have responded to George in endless variations of each of your two options.  I don’t know why folks, if they’re really bothered, don’t just filter out his posts (and replies with his name in them) and get on with life. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere.

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Ah, Mad (if I may call you by your first name ;^) it is a dilemma indeed. The buffoon clearly loves to see his name in print – no matter the context. If a vat of vomit were to pour from the sky with his name embedded within, he’d take that as a sign of acceptance. Over the past winter, when he was the recipient of the first – and so far, only – mass-killfile effort, this place was truly blessed with his absence. Thus we can only hope that another good non-violent shunning will accomplish the same goal. If not, well, there’s always that classic tome, "The Original Book of Gink" to invoke once again to help any newbies see what a twisted freak he is. He can never escape his own words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is: Do we ignore "The Gherke"and hope he gets bored and leaves. The problem is that he may treat the silence as acceptance in which case the spammage will continue. Or Do we make it perfectly clear (Ken is good at this) that he should take his nonscence elsewhere. … The spew continues It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… ~2 LOL! What a sorry, hapless, weaseling twit he is… It does make one wonder how he managed to get a lawyer to represent him for free *and* still keep his airplane… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. Not only conventional wisdom. ANY wisdom… As much as Gehrke represents the proverbial nasty car wreck at the side of the interstate – and thus a temptation to slow down to view the carnage – it would be to the betterment of the group if all could let his delusions pass unanswered… Opey’s Dad

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YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM A WEE FLY There once was a happy little fly buzzing around a barn one day, when she happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure.  Since it had been hours since her last meal and she was feeling terrible hunger pangs, she flew down to the irresistible delicacy and began to munch out. She ate . . . And ate . . . And then . . . she ate some more! Finally, she decided she’d had plenty.  She washed her face with her tiny front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away. But alas . . . she had pigged out far too much and could not get off the ground! She looked around, wondering what to do about this unpleasant situation, when she spotted a pitchfork leaning upright against the barn wall.  She’d found a solution!  For she believed that if she could just become airborne, she’d be able to fly again. And so . . . she slowly made her way up to the top of the handle.  Once there, she took a deep breath, spread her tiny fly wings, and leapt confidently into the air . . . and then dropped like a rock, and splattered all over the floor . . . The moral of this sad story? Never fly off the handle when you know you’re full of shit. -Anonymous- Op – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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from Mr G, Ken is a different story. So Harry, You question a post that reflects negatively on George and he calls you an idiot. Sounds about right.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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 Yes Sir I very much do ,thanks for reminding me. Do your realize what an idiot you are Harry?  You and Maxx? You both need to get a life. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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For sake of good order, a few misconceptions have been raised regarding what we’ve been able to do when approaching our first year of Production Line Manufacturing of Bamboo Fly Rods.  This Bastard Project started back in January of 2000.  That was TEN MONTHS ago. The fact is, it took the Gehrke’s Gink Company FIVE – SIX MONTHS of production line construction just building the plant and equipment. This alone was a Herculean effort and required a filthy amount of financial investment just to fulfill a dare.  Simple logic and reason reveals that we have been able to produce nearly 75 fly rods in only FIVE Months, not one year.  With zero production in the first half year, this is an amazing achievement.  Yet, if anyone wishes to ‘include’ the hundreds and hundreds of hours it took inventing a new production line, then producing this number of fly rods over a years time is no big deal, we suppose? Well, guess what?  The production line has been down for two months due to me going through some serious operations at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota.  So everyone can now understand that we produced nearly 75 fly rods in not FIVE Months but actually in only THREE MONTHS with only one production line. Building bamboo fly rods requires attention to details and a high degree of quality control.  Presently, we are construction more production lines to service the demands made upon our product.  We expect to manufacture a thousand various units a year starting within this first year.  This will begin BEFORE the year 2001.  We will start our 2001 Bastard Bamboo Series before this year’s end.  I regard this as a remarkable adventure.  Those that wish to continue to debase a sincere effort for the world of fly fishing, so be it.  The promise we are keeping is to produce bamboo fly rods at prices the common working man can afford.  I think we are doing that, even though we should increase our prices, we are doing everything in our power to keep these beautiful fly rods affordable for everyone, if possible, and even DECREASE prices for them. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [dribble snipped] — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours.

_____  You’re full of shit. Lastly, I thought you left the newsgroup. The spew continues

_____ The humor regarding #12 eludes you. Secondly, your callous nature and bitching is a waste of time and you’re nothing but a trolley. Thirdly, I do not post here often anymore but said I would, now and then. Wash your ears out or get reading glasses. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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The spew continues

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679887482.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg — Charlie…

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… The spew continues

It’s futile to pay any attention whatsoever to that despicable liar. You can get a sense of how pitiful he is, and perhaps start to appreciate the difference between the reality of a sick old fool living in a trailer in Washington state and the "world champion" of everything, dynamic "tycoon" that he pretends to be around here by taking a look at the following; http://204.227.177.194/wconnect/wc.dll?usbcn_racer~get_case1_v1y2k~98… He’s the running joke of ROFF, but he’s long since ceased to be funny. Conventional wisdom is to just ignore him. — Ken Fortenberry

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Dear Mr Gink, As you state I may be full of it, however, I did my homework. On YOUR website (http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastard_monthly_archives.html) you have a monthly update starting in January of 1999. In the july 99 update there is a picture (dated 11-july-99) of you signing the first Bastard bamboo. In the Aug 99 update there is mention of Doug casting #20 The nov99 update marks the introduction of the black raven "The events began in January of this year and six months of the effort involved just constructing the Bamboo Production Line.  The final six months began with two months just learning how to make a bamboo fly rod.  In four months of actual serious rod making we have produced a little less than 50 fly rods in four months. " So according to your website youve been at this for nearly 2 years. You make more "mis-statements" than Reagan and Quayle combined. First of all you make quite a leap to assume we care. Second, So the now famous #12 that you sent to Bob Smith in Oct of 1999 after you had shipped it to Day Tripper in Aug and had been returned to you in Aug of 99 was not one of yours. _____  You’re full of shit.

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Joe, so far I only count 6 confirmed heads unless you are not coming alone.  This includes my wife and myself.

I’m bringing one fishin’ buddy and maybe one brother-in-law.   No spouse. I’m planning on hitting the campsite around 0700 Sunday morning.  I would guess we will start splashing the river about 0800 or 0830.  This is just to keep ahead of locals who might drift in.

0700.   That’s like 7:00 in the morning.   Lemesee, I have to pick up my buddy & drive 2.5 hrs., so I can sleep until about – 3 a.m.   No problem. (snicker) I really gotta get down there Saturday night. Joe F.

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news.ops.worldnet.att.net, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne, Have you been keeping a head count/list of those currently planning to attend? Also, what say we pick a rendezvous hour for Sun. a.m.   What’s a good time? Joe F. (typing when I need to get busy tying) Joe, so far I only count 6 confirmed heads unless you are not coming alone.  This includes my wife and myself. I’m planning on hitting the campsite around 0700 Sunday morning.  I would guess we will start splashing the river about 0800 or 0830. This is just to keep ahead of locals who might drift in.  We will be in no hurry so we can be flexible with the time for being "On-Water". Expect some canoe launching to be going on in the morning and canoe arrivals after noon..  If you get down Saturday evening bring a headlamp and explore the river. The Miller hatch actually occurs at night.  Wild thing to behold!!  I’ll e-mail the confirmed attendees with specific fishing instructions whic I don’t want broadcast here.  You guys are gonna LOVE this! Maybe we should bring our own blank T-Shirts and do our own drawings!! We can take pictures, get them deeloped at Wal-Mart down the road and have them put on our shirts! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!  I’ll be there Sunday for sure, possibly Saturday if work allows.

Hope the river will be fishable with all these storms we’re having. Drove by the Potomac this AM. High and full of mud. Praying for no more rain just for the next 10 days. Bob Before you buy.

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 I’ll be there Sunday for sure, possibly Saturday if work allows. Hope the river will be fishable with all these storms we’re having. Drove by the Potomac this AM. High and full of mud. Praying for no more rain just for the next 10 days. Bob

Glad to have you Bob.  The storms have been running across the Northern Highlands and the Rappahannock is nearly IDEAL right now with no significant rain forecast.  River is clear and excellent wading and canoeing/kayaking levels.  Water temp is in the 70’s and well oxygenated!! Keep in mind also that we are fishing just above the confluence with the Rapidan.  The Rapidan is the bad actor for dumping mud. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I’m bringing one fishin’ buddy and maybe one brother-in-law.   No spouse. I really gotta get down there Saturday night. Joe F.

Do we need tar and feathers for the brother-in-law or is he supplying the beer?  The little country store in Richardsville sells tar-&- feather kits for problem in-laws! <G — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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 I’ll be there Sunday for sure, possibly Saturday if work allows. Hope the river will be fishable with all these storms we’re having. Drove by the Potomac this AM. High and full of mud. Praying for no more rain just for the next 10 days. Bob

For a good example of how Northern Virginia has been getting hammered while we dodge the big bullets check out: http://water.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/daily_flow?va — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Do we need tar and feathers for the brother-in-law or is he supplying the beer?  The little country store in Richardsville sells tar-&- feather kits for problem in-laws! <G

LOL.   No, he’s one of the good ones, aside from not being a fly fisherman; but this may be an opportunity to work on that (if I don’t overexpose him to this bunch). Revisiting flies:   Many of the patterns I’m tying at the recommendation of our local shop owner (a good smallie fisherman himself) are somewhat larger (size 4) than the 6’s & 8’s you’ve recommended.   Not likely to be a big deal, I assume? Time permitting, I’ll tie a bunch in the smaller sizes as well. I’m tying all bottom bouncers: a bunch of Crystal Buggers, Crystal Crayfish (easy & pretty cool looking, but no match for the "fighting craw"), white Wooly Buggers, & assorted Clousers.   I thought about helgrammites, but decided to just buy a few instead.   I’m planning to tie enough to swap or give away a few at Clave Central in the morning, so if anybody else wants to do the same, I’d welcome the variety and maybe a couple surface flies for early a.m. Joe F.

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LOL.   No, he’s one of the good ones, aside from not being a fly fisherman; but this may be an opportunity to work on that (if I don’t overexpose him to this bunch). Revisiting flies:   Many of the patterns I’m tying at the

recommendation of our – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – local shop owner (a good smallie fisherman himself) are somewhat larger (size 4) than the 6’s & 8’s you’ve recommended.   Not likely to be a big deal, I assume? Time permitting, I’ll tie a bunch in the smaller sizes as well. I’m tying all bottom bouncers: a bunch of Crystal Buggers, Crystal Crayfish (easy & pretty cool looking, but no match for the "fighting craw"), white Wooly Buggers, & assorted Clousers.   I thought about helgrammites, but decided to just buy a few instead.   I’m planning to tie enough to swap or give away a few at Clave Central in the morning, so if anybody else wants to do the same, I’d welcome the variety and maybe a couple surface flies for early a.m. Joe F.

Joe, for total number of fish the #6 works well.  For fewer fish but the LUNKERS, go with the larger flys.  Make some in black and weighted.  The current BIG FISH flys are large and black fished slow on the bottom.  Leech patterns, hellgrammites, and Clousers in sizes 2 to 4  are getting the larger fish.  Keep in mind, this river does not fish crawfish quite as well as more northern rivers. They are certainly players here but not as important. BTW, I’m slipping out after work today to a SUPER SECRET spot to catch some 8 to 40 lb. Carp on a #12 Cracked Corn fly.  Right here on Lake Anna.  Film at 11. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I’ll be there Friday evening.  Frank Sr. did mention he may be bringing some one else.                         Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Nope, twern’t me Frank Jr.  I be coming alone (as usual) unless you count my portable gas grill as company.  And I will be there sometime Friday. Frank (he who travels alone travels fastest) Church

|I’ll be there Friday evening.  Frank Sr. did mention he may be bringing |some one else. |                        Frank Reid | | |Before you buy.

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Sorry Frank    I must have been talking about the other Frank, no, he’s in the SW. It might have been the other Frank, no, he’s driving down by himself too.  No, wait, thats me.  Where am I?  Who am I?         I’m schizophrenic and so am I.            Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Working in that cubicle does a number on your mind, eh Frank?  :-)) Frank Church of all the things I’ve lost in my life, I regret losing my mind the most

|Sorry Frank |   I must have been talking about the other Frank, no, he’s in the SW. |It might have been the other Frank, no, he’s driving down by himself |too.  No, wait, thats me.  Where am I?  Who am I? |        I’m schizophrenic and so am I. |           Frank Reid | | | |Before you buy.

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I gotta go FISHING!  Just did my 3rd 12 hour day this week, not including my little 1 1/2 each-way commute on the wonderful DC beltway.  Aaarrrrggghhh!!!!  This country boy needs no-see- ums, ’skeeters, ‘coons in the cooler, a couple of cold beers, and some good fishin’ buddies.  We ain’t in Omaha anymore Toto.  Its time to head to Virginia.  Will see you all there.        Frank "get me ‘da hell outta this city" Reid Before you buy.

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My reservations are confirmed at the campgrounds… I’m bringing two kayaks, suitable for fishing, with wave skirts – and class three rapids are the max but a lot of fun. Will two be enough?….any takers out there?…. Wayne, I could probably get some t-shirts and hats from one of the local…er….gentlemen’s clubs….we could magic marker ROFF above

the, John, check out these two links.  Both have maps of the river.  The lower one shows the rapids.  There is an excellent stretch from Kelly’s Ford down to the campground and you can get the campground to transport you. http://www.crrl.org/community/for/pages/brochure1.htm http://members.aol.com/clorebros/index.html After running this river, we may have trouble booting you out of Virginia!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Wayne, Have you been keeping a head count/list of those currently planning to attend? Also, what say we pick a rendezvous hour for Sun. a.m.   What’s a good time? Joe F. (typing when I need to get busy tying)

Joe, so far I only count 6 confirmed heads unless you are not coming alone.  This includes my wife and myself. I’m planning on hitting the campsite around 0700 Sunday morning.  I would guess we will start splashing the river about 0800 or 0830.  This is just to keep ahead of locals who might drift in.  We will be in no hurry so we can be flexible with the time for being "On-Water".  Expect some canoe launching to be going on in the morning and canoe arrivals after noon..  If you get down Saturday evening bring a headlamp and explore the river. The Miller hatch actually occurs at night.  Wild thing to behold!!  I’ll e-mail the confirmed attendees with specific fishing instructions whic I don’t want broadcast here.  You guys are gonna LOVE this! Maybe we should bring our own blank T-Shirts and do our own drawings!! We can take pictures, get them deeloped at Wal-Mart down the road and have them put on our shirts! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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TIME IS GROWING SHORT!! If you love smallie fishing or would like to try it out on one of the premier small mouth rivers in the US, this Fly Fishing Conclave may be just the place to be.  There won’t be any hats, no T-shirts, and no drawings which are some of the fun earmarks of other ROFF Claves. There will be just a fine group of fly fishermen gathering in a quiet, relaxing setting on a beautiful river.  In fact, this will be one great place to get away and just RELAX!!  No events, no plans, just great fishing.  Bring a hammock and "hang out" in the shade of the trees riverside! The campground is primative (no hookups or dump station) and no radios permitted, wear your earphones if you just gotta have noise.  Drive Rt. 3 west from I-95, turn right on Rt. 610, turn right on Rt. 619, look for the red on white hand painted signs for Rappahannock River Campground. Prepare to wade wet, bring a wading staff, say "Hi" to Katy when you check in.  Day parking/fishing is $3.00 for the car and $1.00 a head or something to that effect.  Camping is cheap.  Clave Central is a picnic table next to the canoe launching ramp down by the river.  Some campers arriving as early as Friday Aug. 18, main event kicks off Sunday Morning August 20. Just got a call from home and Frank’s flys got here.  COME ON DOWN and we’ll try those suckers out!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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There won’t be any hats, no T-shirts, and no drawings which are some of the fun earmarks of other ROFF Claves. There will be just a fine group of fly fishermen gathering in a quiet, relaxing setting on a beautiful river.

Wayne, Have you been keeping a head count/list of those currently planning to attend? Also, what say we pick a rendezvous hour for Sun. a.m.   What’s a good time? Joe F. (typing when I need to get busy tying)

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My reservations are confirmed at the campgrounds… Replaced the  fuel filter, front rotors, front calipers, front brakes, greased , changed oil and filter……did I forget anything?… I’m bringing two kayaks, suitable for fishing, with wave skirts – and class three rapids are the max but a lot of fun. Will two be enough?….any takers out there?…. Still have room in my van for a travel buddy, I leave out of Dayton Wayne, I could probably get some t-shirts and hats from one of the local…er….gentlemen’s clubs….we could magic marker ROFF above the, (they have special shirts for the ladies…teehee) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TIME IS GROWING SHORT!! If you love smallie fishing or would like to try it out on one of the premier small mouth rivers in the US, this Fly Fishing Conclave may be just the place to be.  There won’t be any hats, no T-shirts, and no drawings which are some of the fun earmarks of other ROFF Claves. There will be just a fine group of fly fishermen gathering in a quiet, relaxing setting on a beautiful river.  In fact, this will be one great place to get away and just RELAX!!  No events, no plans, just great fishing.  Bring a hammock and "hang out" in the shade of the trees riverside! The campground is primative (no hookups or dump station) and no radios permitted, wear your earphones if you just gotta have noise.  Drive Rt. 3 west from I-95, turn right on Rt. 610, turn right on Rt. 619, look for the red on white hand painted signs for Rappahannock River Campground. Prepare to wade wet, bring a wading staff, say "Hi" to Katy when you check in.  Day parking/fishing is $3.00 for the car and $1.00 a head or something to that effect.  Camping is cheap.  Clave Central is a picnic table next to the canoe launching ramp down by the river.  Some campers arriving as early as Friday Aug. 18, main event kicks off Sunday Morning August 20. Just got a call from home and Frank’s flys got here.  COME ON DOWN and we’ll try those suckers out!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Well, you could use the simple approach and just try to match the bugs on the water with a fly that is close in size and colour.  That will generally work about 90% of the time.  And you don’t need to learn all the entymology either.  All you have to know is that trout eat bugs, and most of the time they eat the kind of bugs that are hatching at the time.  Fly fishing does not have to be technical, but a lot of people tend to try to make it so. Cheers from the wet coast.

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…  And you don’t need to learn all the entymology either.  All you have to know is that trout eat bugs, and most of the time they eat the kind of bugs that are hatching at the time.  Fly fishing does not have to be technical, but a lot of people tend to try to make it so. …

The great beauty of it, and much of the appeal of flyfishing for me, is that you’ve got it exactly right. You can make it as technical as you want… or not. For some it’s rewarding and challenging to do some amateur entomology, others, who catch just as many fish, are content to tie on a fly that looks close enough in size and color without caring much about the latin name of the beast they’re matching. The question though was how to identify hatches and for that I do recommend at least a little bit of aquatic entomology. My favorite book on the subject is the pricey but beautiful classic, _Aquatic Entomology_ by W. Patrick McCafferty. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 2 – Tar Heels 1

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But I have no idea how to identify what’s on the water, nor how to match it with a fly (I’m at the stage where I can’t tell a caddis from a mayfly.)  What;s the best approach to teaching myself?

Some simple small books that you can keep in your vest are the Orvis books: Trout Stream Insects by Dick Pobst (ISBN 1-55821-067-9) The Caddisfly Handbook by Dick Pobst and Carl Richards (ISBN 1-55821-542-5) These two have color photos, recommended artificials, and hatch charts for east and west US to help you narrow down the search. Tight lines, Peter Simonson

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Cheers from the wet coast.

Hm….what an odd place you live in!  ;-)

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Yah, well, when you get rain most of the year, and they call it the "coastal rainforest", it does tend to get a few nicknames.  But, hey, the salmon are coming like gangbusters right now and I have to make a business trip to Calgary.  I’ll have to condescend to fish that large creek they call the Bow and harass a few trout.  Then it’s out to the local streams for the Pinks, Coho and Chinook on the fly.  Cheers from Vancouver, BC, the Wet Coast.

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Does anyone know of some good sites to find some cool graphics(not too big) for my web page I’m designing? Thanks! Go UT Lady Vols!!!

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Does anyone know of some good sites to find some cool graphics(not too big) for my web page I’m designing? Thanks! Go UT Lady Vols!!!

Try this page, should keep you busy for awile: http://www.fishnet.net/~gini/cool/ Max

http:/www.inetarena.com/~mwi "…there are only two things in life worth getting excited about – fly fishing is the other one…"

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

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Try Luis Cruz at 305-262-4330. His beeper is 305-313-8491 (when tone rings just enter your phone number including area code there is no voice message). I’ve fished with many of the best guides in the Keys, including some of the famous legends. Luis is young, knowledgeable, hardworking, and has put me into fish every trip…I’ll be doing some flyfishing for permit with him in mid-September. He’s a number one guide who knows Key Biscayne like his back yard. Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

This is a good time to fish because it is cooling a little and the flats are not so crowded. You might find some baby tarpon ( 10 to 30#), bonefish, permit or redfish. This is the second season, Oct/Nov. The spring, April/May/June, is the most popular time to fish southern Florida. At this time you also have the big migration of tarpon. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I am headed down to Bend, Oregon this weekend and wanted to do a little fly fishing.  I know only portions of the Deschutes are open at this time (Bend north to Lake Billy Chinook) and was wondering if anyone had any advice on where to go and what to use.  Email me directly…and thanks in advance. Kevin Curry Linfield College

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I am headed down to Bend, Oregon this weekend and wanted to do a little fly fishing.  I know only portions of the Deschutes are open at this time (Bend north to Lake Billy Chinook) and was wondering if anyone had any advice on where to go and what to use.  Email me directly…and thanks in advance. Kevin Curry Linfield College

Kevin and other Deschutes flyfishers: Check out the Online Gillie section at Flyfishers Online.  A long-time guide on the river has begun writing monthly articles as well as contributing condition reports for the river. Online Gillie is at: http://www.flyfishers.com:80/flyfishers-online/flyfishers-gillie.html Condition Reports are at: http://www.flyfishers.com:80/flyfishers-online/flyfishers-reports.html Cy Happy, a guide and partner at Ray’s River Dories (also at Flyfishers Online) floated Trout Creek to Maupin a week ago and reported that the high water flow had changed the bank topography quite considerably. For instance, at the favorite island lunch stop just south of North Junction he reported that the water had swept a good number of the bankside trees away, leaving the channel quite navigable; a change, indeed, from the past few years. Hope this helps. Best, Peter Yoakum, Editor Flyfishers Online

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Planning a Memorial Day Weekend trip to the Housatonic and have never fished the area.  Looking for help regarding spots and hatches.  Will be staying at Housatonic Meadows State park.   Thanks and Tight Lines! — MICHAEL DeVERE

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Michael, From your campground at Housatonic Meadows North on Route 7 to the Covered Bridge in Cornwall is the entire Trout Management Area.  Anyplace you see a spot where you can squeeze in a car, on either side of the road,  will get you to the River.  Many people like the pool just below the covered bridge, but I have found the entire stretch excellent. The CT State Hatchery is stocking 9,000 Trout into this section on May 22.  This will add to an already abundant, but wise, population. Caddis Flys (Green, Black, Cream, Tan, Brown & Grey) seem to be big producers this week.  Also Caddis Emergers fished in the film are doing well. Look for Ephemerella Dorothea (Little Sulphur in about a size 16) to be hatching during your stay. Good luck. Greg Greg

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Planning a Memorial Day Weekend trip to the Housatonic and have never fished the area.  Looking for help regarding spots and hatches.

The Housie has lots of hatches. Baetus, brown and green caddis (#14-16), maybe March Browns, Green and Brown Drakes if you’re lucky, are all likely to be present. Figuring out what the trout are working on is the biggest challenge. There are lots of trout, virtually all stocked fish, despite fishkills in recent years brought about by hot water and poor water management. River flows are controlled by releases from a power dam, which is operated on weekends primarily for the benefit of canoeists and kayakers. This generally means high water difficult to fish from 9AM to 5PM. One strategy is to fish the north end of the Trout Management Area (about a mile or so above the covered bridge and best accessed from the east side) early in the AM, and move downstream as the water there starts to rise between 8 and 8:30, ending up at the south end around 10 or 10:30, and repeat the trip in the late afternoon. The daily rise and fall of water flow tends to put the trout down during the transition. The Housie gets a lot of fishing pressure, but one can almost always find areas that are not crowded, and it offers a good variety of conditions, from fast pockets to smooth pools.  Check in with Phil at the Housatonic Meadows Fly Shop on Rte 7; take his recommendations with a grain of salt, but he does know the river.

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There’s a fly shop right opposite the campgrounds with good info and excellent local ties although my recollection is that proprietor is a little close mouthed until your wallet becomes visible. A;lso call river club info number for daily updates by the most knowledgeable Ed Kluck who records report daily. 203 248 8616. Also water releases tape # is 203 824 7053. Note that it takes two hours for head of water to reach the campground from the time the release starts at dam at Falls Village.

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1st week of June can be tough. Around Ennis you can hit the Madison, (but it will, probably be roiled from run-off) the Ruby and the Big Hole (it’s a haul from  Ennis but generally always fishable). Big Hole is best fished while floating. Or, you can go into the park and fish the Firehole and the Gibbons. Prince nymphs in the morning and Mothers Day Caddis in the afternoon. Best fishing is from 3pm to dark. Tight Lines! pdp

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A friend and I are planning a week of flyfishing in Montana June 3 – June 10.   I know it’s not the best time but you takes what you can get.  We do not have any specific itinerary but were planning to spend some time around Ennis, and some around two rivers. Anybody have any specific recommendations for that time?  Any specific flies?   I have heard that San Juan worms are a must if the water is up. Anyway, I would appreciate any suggestions. Bill Feinberg

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Does anyone know of a fishing expo in the NYC area. A friend of mine said there is one comming to boston. Just curious if it would make it to NYC, it would save me a road trip. Thanks, DAVE — Dave Blizard "Pork, the other white meat."

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There is a Fly Fishing Only show the second satruday in March in White Plains, NY by the Theodore Fly Fishers.  It’s a really great show done with style.  Not too crowded as you would expect at the Suffern Show. Have fun!

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