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Things seemed to have calmed down between you and rw, yet you persist in stirring the pot once again.  What is to be gained from this? "It’s useless info, totally useless info, one way or the other, just like an indentation in the Budweiser can is totally useless info to a guy quaffing a beer." While I didn’t find the "haul and load" thread of much interest, as I am likely to be the least literate and/or intelligent Roffian on the face of the Earth, it seems that several other ROFFians were quite engaged in the discussion.  I rarely get involved in the more technical discussions pertaining to flyfishing, primarily because of my limited intellect, but I find it difficult to disparage others for doing so. Opie  —-

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Opie writes: While I didn’t find the "haul and load" thread of much interest, as I am likely to be the least literate and/or intelligent Roffian on the face of the Earth, it seems that several other ROFFians were quite engaged in the discussion.  I rarely get involved in the more technical discussions pertaining to flyfishing, primarily because of my limited intellect, but I find it difficult to disparage others for doing so. Opie  —-

You shouldn’t feel that way, Op.  Hell, someone is selling all my books and they have a thread about it "Pirate Book Sale".  Shoot, I haven’t finished looking at all the pictures yet and someone is selling all 4 of ‘em.  I just *know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. Merry Christmas Dave L.

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Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Ok, make that the second least intelligent ROFFian on Earth! — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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I just *know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures.

I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

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Charlie: I just *know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

I did!  And, it *is*! Dave

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I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book.

It IS a great book. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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*know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

It is a great book. I hope you get a chance to visit with the editors sometime. Al and Gretchen are some of the nicest people in the fly fishing business. If anyone is going to be in the Dallas area on Jan 13,  they are doing an all day seminar for the Dallas Flyfishers on that Saturday. Send me an e-mail iif you need further information. Al was the recepient of the Buzzack Award a couple of years ago, but I am not so sure that he ties any better than Gretchen. Big Dale

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Another Lousy Day in Paradise might be a good read for him.  Another other ideas brewing out there?

Since you live where you do, may I suggest that you bring him a couple of books by Tom McGuane. I think he is a local suthor for you. One of my favorites is Outside Chance, but I understand he has a new one out that is just as good if not better. Big Dale  

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Warren, Nice story, you can learn a lot from the old timers. One of the best friends I have in my chapter of TU is 84 years old. He drives 30 miles to meetings & has lots of history to share. He builds beautiful hand made nets for our banquet that helps us make some money for our conservation projects. He came to last fall’s fishing outing & I took him under my wing. We couldn’t get to the best spots because he needs a double knee replacement but we managed to find a spot were he slid down on his butt. On the way up I took his equiptment & then helped pull him up the bank. We didn’t catch any fish but had a great time anyway. Joan Stoliar one of the owners of the  company Folstaf wading staff is involved with Project Access which builds handicapped fishing access in the Catskills. One day every spring she enlists the aid of some TU chapters & a couple of other fishing clubs to help rebuild the ramps (they sometimes get washed out during the winter). We also plant willows to help shade some of the banks. Check this site for forther info: http://www.projectaccess.com/ We are all going to need help getting down to the river when we get older (not too far down the road for me) & I hope there will be some other fisherman willing to help maintain access. Sol

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<snipped Big Dale’s recommendation Thanks for the info.  I will look into getting a copy and reading it first to see if he will enjoy it Warren X#-[

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Sol, You gave me an idea.  Perhaps I can buy him a year membership in FFF here in Livingston.  I have been meaning to join myself.  It would give him something to do if he isn't already a member.  I think I might offer to take him out fishing too.  We probably won't catch many fish, but I am sure that the trip will be fun anyways.  Thanks for the link, I will check it out this weekend when I have more time. Warren X#-[

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<snip I'm still trying to sort some things out in my head.  I don't know why this struck me as hard as it did, but I think I am going to make this a little routine.  Hopefully I will be able to give this guy something to look forward to and someone to talk to every now and then.  If that is all I can do, then I will do what I can.  Who knows, maybe it will be just the thing to keep this old guy going for a little longer or at least bring a little happiness to his life.  I only wish I could find another outlet like roff for him to participate in to help fill the vast void.

Warren, Nice gesture. I hope when your angling days are done you will find someone as thoughtful to help you through that final phase of your fishing life. Perhaps he may best be able to continue his fishing through you. What better gift could you possibly give him than the friendship of a fellow angler? Kiyu

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Listen to his stories.  Type them up.  Print 'em out.  Take some pictures of his favorite spots.  Ask to borrow some of his old photos and scan them.  Put together a little booklet of his stories along with scanned photos and have a print shop bind it up.  That'd make a nice gift. Mu

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Warren Great post. Don't feel too sorry for the guy; just be aware that it comes to us all, if we are lucky. And for sure he is getting out there and enjoying the water and the sport in the only way still available to him. Buy the stuff if its a good deal and you can use it. Thats a way to show respect. The worst approach is to ignore him. Enuf seriousness. An alternative approach on handling this scenario it is to first scout out the situation. Then when he is crossing a field or some other exposed place, quarter in from behind. Drive your teeth into his Achilles tendon, throwing your weight to the right in a rolling motion. As he comes down, release your bight and spin out of the way, taking care to avoid his flailing kicks. Now back off and assess the situation to make sure he actually did fall to the right, in which case no repositioning is necessary ; quarter quickly in from infront and behind to the neck. Definitely reposition if he has fallen to the left. Take the best booty for yourself, its your right, but be sure to share with the rest of the group in order of their help on other hunts. Dave

Warren, Make a print out of David Snedeker's post (above) and show it to the old chap. If He has any SOH, he will probably pee his pants. It might be the best laugh he's had in ages! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Warren, A few options come to mind. You could take him lake fishing; no steep banks or currents to contend with, and if you're in the right place at the right time, the fishing can be spectacular. If he's not interested in stillwaters, and you can afford the rod fees, take him to Armstrongs, or somewhere similar. Again, great fishing and much easier to navigate than the Yellowstone river. (BTW, I don't think TBone would be bugged a bit by your idea of bringing your friend a fresh-caught fish or two. In a similar situation, he'd probably do the same thing. It's a tradition as old as fishing itself.) -- Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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<snip After three days of reading the replys, the original message finally shows up on my server.  Nice story Warren. -- Levi Trample the weak Hurdle the dead

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BTW, I don't think TBone would be bugged a bit by your idea of bringing your friend a fresh-caught fish or two.

I know.  I bet he will actually get a kick out of *me* keeping fish. Warren X#-[

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Today I was fishing some of the channels of the Yellowstone that I frequent.  I started fishing around 3 and stopped around 7.  When I got back to the truck and was taking off my waders an old timer pulled up and started to ask me how the fishing was.  We ended up talking for close to an hour. Seems this gentleman had fished these channels long before I was even born.  We both shared a love for these channels and think of them as favorite stretches. Needless to say,  we had a common bond despite the vast difference in years so a conversation was not difficult to keep going.   After talking to the guy for about 30 minutes I started to get kind of sad. Joe said (his name was Joe) that he had stopped fishing in the last couple of years because he was too old and couldn't get around good enough anymore.   He had to give up fly tying as well because he can't sit for long periods of time.  He still drives along the river and checks up on his favorite spots I guess just for something to do.   Or maybe it is just his way of still having some kind of contact with fly fishing.  Either way it was sad to see. It really got me to thinking  about what happens when one becomes too old to fish.  I am guessing that he is all alone because he said that he gave some of his rods to his nephews who don't fish so the rods are just sitting in a basement.  Gave me the impression that his wife and kids are deceased if he ever was even married and had kids.  This man was telling me stories about fishing this area back in the 50's and 60's and so it was quite interesting aside from the pitty factor I was feeling. We began talking about the cost of equipment and materials and how expensive things were now compared to before the increase in popularity of fly fishing. He said that he used to by custom made bamboo rods for $60 with $10 extra for modifications to the specs, ect.  Anyways, since he isn't tying anymore he said he would give me a bunch of his tying hooks and would part with some of his gear and tying materials for pretty cheap.  It wasn't that he was trying to sucker me into buying all of his stuff so he could have some pocket money, I think he just wanted to see it go to a nice home. He told me where to find him so next Friday I think I am going to pay him a visit after I get done fishing in the morning.  It was kind of funny, he said to just go to the apartment complex that he lives in and ask for "Joe the fisherman on the 3rd floor."   Since he has to buy his fish from the store now, I think I will take him a couple of fresh caught trout as a gift. I feel obliged to go and visit him, not so much to buy anything he has, but just so he can keep up on what things are like out on his old haunt.  He was really interested in what the channels are like now.  He can't go and see for himself  so he was asking me all kinds of questions.  I could tell that he loved fishing very much and loved this area just as much if not more.  At one point during the conversation I could swear that he started to get a tear in his eye. When I got home the whole event really started to sink in.  I started to think about what I am going to do when I reach the age that I can no longer participate in this "hobby" that we all love so much.  It really has me wondering what happens when you devote so much of your life to something and then get to a point that you are unable to do what you love to do  anymore.  I can only hope that I never have to face this dilema.  But if I do, I hope to that I will have someone to talk to and maybe bring me a fish once in awhile. I just wish there was something I could do like take him fishing even just once more. Warren X#-[

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Today I was fishing some of the channels of the Yellowstone that I frequent.  I started fishing around 3 and stopped around 7.  When I got back to the truck and was taking off my waders an old timer pulled up and started to ask me how the fishing was.  We ended up talking for close to an hour.

        (snip)         nice sentiments, warren.         the answer to the question is photography. wayno

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Warren.. Thanks for that moving story you shared.  My father, who taught me to flyfish, is now paralyzed from the waist down.  He waits for me to report on the last trip, what flies I have last tied, and what the streams were like. The streams are firmly fixed in his mind.  He knows every spot of which I speak.  My mother also reports that when he sleeps she often sees his casting arm going back and forth, and sometimes his hand making the familiar circular motion of an experienced fly tier. I like to think he is on his favorite steam or at his bench.  I suspect he is. Maybe these are things we ought to remember when we are tempted to take verbal shots at each other.  It puts it all in perspective.  It matters not what rod or reel we use, or the degree of our skill.  Let us enjoy each other and the sport we love even though every last one of us is at times a bit odd.  Let us also hope that when each of us age, which God willing we will, and then our time to depart comes, that this God in his grace provides a place to toss a fly and fish our favorite haunt.

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[snip] When I got home the whole event really started to sink in.  I started to think about what I am going to do when I reach the age that I can no longer participate in this "hobby" that we all love so much.

[snip] You’ll do what this gentleman did. You’ll find a good home for it. Paul

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Hmm….not exactly the sort of post I look for in the morning with my coffee. I mean the comics are what I read first in the newspaper, ya know? But it is the sort of thing, that to be a part of, creates a memory….john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Today I was fishing some of the channels of the Yellowstone that I frequent.  I started fishing around 3 and stopped around 7.  When I got back to the truck and was taking off my waders an old timer pulled up and started to ask me how the fishing was.  We ended up talking for close to an hour. Seems this gentleman had fished these channels long before I was even born. We both shared a love for these channels and think of them as favorite stretches. Needless to say,  we had a common bond despite the vast difference in years so a conversation was not difficult to keep going. After talking to the guy for about 30 minutes I started to get kind of sad. Joe said (his name was Joe) that he had stopped fishing in the last couple of years because he was too old and couldn’t get around good enough anymore. He had to give up fly tying as well because he can’t sit for long periods of time. He still drives along the river and checks up on his favorite spots I guess just for something to do.   Or maybe it is just his way of still having some kind of contact with fly fishing.  Either way it was sad to see. It really got me to thinking  about what happens when one becomes too old to fish.  I am guessing that he is all alone because he said that he gave some of his rods to his nephews who don’t fish so the rods are just sitting in a basement.  Gave me the impression that his wife and kids are deceased if he ever was even married and had kids.  This man was telling me stories about fishing this area back in the 50’s and 60’s and so it was quite interesting aside from the pitty factor I was feeling. We began talking about the cost of equipment and materials and how expensive things were now compared to before the increase in popularity of fly fishing. He said that he used to by custom made bamboo rods for $60 with $10 extra for modifications to the specs, ect.  Anyways, since he isn’t tying anymore he said he would give me a bunch of his tying hooks and would part with some of his gear and tying materials for pretty cheap.  It wasn’t that he was trying to sucker me into buying all of his stuff so he could have some pocket money, I think he just wanted to see it go to a nice home. He told me where to find him so next Friday I think I am going to pay him a visit after I get done fishing in the morning.  It was kind of funny, he said to just go to the apartment complex that he lives in and ask for "Joe the fisherman on the 3rd floor."   Since he has to buy his fish from the store now, I think I will take him a couple of fresh caught trout as a gift. I feel obliged to go and visit him, not so much to buy anything he has, but just so he can keep up on what things are like out on his old haunt.  He was really interested in what the channels are like now.  He can’t go and see for himself  so he was asking me all kinds of questions.  I could tell that he loved fishing very much and loved this area just as much if not more.  At one point during the conversation I could swear that he started to get a tear in his eye. When I got home the whole event really started to sink in.  I started to think about what I am going to do when I reach the age that I can no longer participate in this "hobby" that we all love so much.  It really has me wondering what happens when you devote so much of your life to something and then get to a point that you are unable to do what you love to do  anymore. I can only hope that I never have to face this dilema.  But if I do, I hope to that I will have someone to talk to and maybe bring me a fish once in awhile. I just wish there was something I could do like take him fishing even just once more. Warren X#-[ Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Why not spend time brinigng him along on trips while introducing some new people to th s port.

I was thinking of that and the float idea as MC suggested, but there are two problems.  The first is that he said he can’t even walk down a bank because he can’t get back up since his legs are so weak now.  Second, he can’t sit for long periods of time.  I suggested that he try some bait fishing, but I think he almost took it as an insult, although he was kind and pretended he didn’t hear.  He is pretty old and I doubt he can wade anymore even with help and the area is very rocky and slippery.  I don’t think I would like to take on the liability of taking him out like that. I guess the best I can do for now is bring him a fish every now and then (Oh god, wait until TBone hears this :-}), buy some of his gear, and tell him what things were like.  In the future, maybe a float trip when I get a boat built. Something short with lots of stops would probably be ok. I’m still trying to sort some things out in my head.  I don’t know why this struck me as hard as it did, but I think I am going to make this a little routine.  Hopefully I will be able to give this guy something to look forward to and someone to talk to every now and then.  If that is all I can do, then I will do what I can.  Who knows, maybe it will be just the thing to keep this old guy going for a little longer or at least bring a little happiness to his life.  I only wish I could find another outlet like roff for him to participate in to help fill the vast void. Maybe I can take him some books to read.  Trout Bum and Another Lousy Day in Paradise might be a good read for him.  Another other ideas brewing out there? Other than quartering him and taking all the loot that is (Thanks Dave S, I’ll let you know how it goes). Warren X#-[

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Buy his gear if you like it and can afford it, and take him fishing if you can.  The best bet is a boat trip. He will probably be pleased to see his gear go to somebody who will use and look after it. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Why not spend time brinigng him along on trips while introducing some new people to th s port. You will accomplish 3 things, make the gentleman happy, propogate the love of the sport in others, and really get some pleasure for yourself by doing it. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Warren Great post. Don’t feel too sorry for the guy; just be aware that it comes to us all, if we are lucky. And for sure he is getting out there and enjoying the water and the sport in the only way still available to him. Buy the stuff if its a good deal and you can use it. Thats a way to show respect. The worst approach is to ignore him. Enuf seriousness. An alternative approach on handling this scenario it is to first scout out the situation. Then when he is crossing a field or some other exposed place, quarter in from behind. Drive your teeth into his Achilles tendon, throwing your weight to the right in a rolling motion. As he comes down, release your bight and spin out of the way, taking care to avoid his flailing kicks. Now back off and assess the situation to make sure he actually did fall to the right, in which case no repositioning is necessary ; quarter quickly in from infront and behind to the neck. Definitely reposition if he has fallen to the left. Take the best booty for yourself, its your right, but be sure to share with the rest of the group in order of their help on other hunts. Dave

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You got RCMP on the brain.

That’s O.K., as long as they stay out of my pants!

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Come on Wolfie, they use green machines on the Miramichi all the time. Oh, I get it, in that particular river’s case the US dollar bill isn’t the fly, it’s the catch! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <interesting tale snipped What I would like to know is how in hell you managed to cast a folded dollar bill!  I mean, talk about catching air!!

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Great Post, great story. Thanks, Bruce

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las Vegas." Arriving at work approximately 45 minutes early with nothing to do, I wondered what I could do to fill my time.  Within an instant it came to me, practice my casting.  However, I work on the Las Vegas strip.  No problem, I pulled out my 9′ rod and an old line that I only use for practice casting on concrete.  Yea, I did it.  I went on the strip and practiced my cast.  As you could imagine, I received an assortment of comments from the absurd, funny, and outright rude. All of a sudden a gentleman stopped his car and asked, "have you had a HOOKER." "Not yet.  I’ve been trying to interest the one down the street.  But no bites," I replied. "Try a hundred," he said as he drove off with a chuckle. I didn’t have a hundred, only a few twenties, two fives, and a one.  After taking the one out of my wallet, I folded it into a small square.  I pulled out my Buck Knife and poked a hole in the bill.  What the heck, I was board and it was some thing to do.  I also thought it was funny.  Boy, I sure got a lot of comments now.  People all over the place.  But, everyone gave me room to cast. I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation. Looking back at the situation, it must have been quite a sight to see a 4′ 6" man fly fishing on the Las Vegas strip.  Even now it makes me laugh. It was a pretty strange thing to do.

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Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las Vegas." Arriving at work approximately 45 minutes early with nothing to do, I wondered what I could do to fill my time.  Within an instant it came to me, practice my casting.  However, I work on the Las Vegas strip.  No problem, I pulled out my 9′ rod and an old line that I only use for practice casting on concrete.  Yea, I did it.  I went on the strip and practiced my cast.  As you could imagine, I received an assortment of comments from the absurd, funny, and outright rude. All of a sudden a gentleman stopped his car and asked, "have you had a HOOKER." "Not yet.  I’ve been trying to interest the one down the street.  But no bites," I replied. "Try a hundred," he said as he drove off with a chuckle. I didn’t have a hundred, only a few twenties, two fives, and a one.  After taking the one out of my wallet, I folded it into a small square.  I pulled out my Buck Knife and poked a hole in the bill.  What the heck, I was board and it was some thing to do.  I also thought it was funny.  Boy, I sure got a lot of comments now.  People all over the place.  But, everyone gave me room to cast. I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation. Looking back at the situation, it must have been quite a sight to see a 4′ 6" man fly fishing on the Las Vegas strip.  Even now it makes me laugh.  It was a pretty strange thing to do.

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<interesting tale snipped What I would like to know is how in hell you managed to cast a folded dollar bill!  I mean, talk about catching air!!

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I folded it into a small, tight, and compact square, poked a hole in it with my knife, and tied it to my line with granny knots.  I did get air.  But, at the time I thought it was funny.  I did it more for the laugh than for the presentation.

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Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las

Vegas." (great story snipped) Now THAT’S FUNNY!! My soon to be mother-in-law lives at Lake Mead and I’ve never been to Vegas.  I anticipate a family visit in the next few months.  I’ll have to get you to show me the sidewalk technique!  I’ll bring along my 6 1/2 foot small stream rod and we’ll see what a 6 foot guy with a short rod and a 4 foot 6 inch guy with a long rod can do on the sidewalk. I’ll supply a pair of 5 dollar bills.  We’ll go for the class acts! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As you reeled her in, you should have said, "Will you or won’t you ???" Her reply, " My room or yours ??" Your reply, " If you are going to argue about it, let’s forget the whole thing. "

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My room mate just got back from Vegas…she said she saw a lot of weird things going on…

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rod and a 4 foot 6 inch guy with a long rod can do on the sidewalk.

This place just gets sicker and more depraved by the minute!  Thank you Lord, a home at last!!

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and we’ll see what a 6 foot guy with a short rod and a 4 foot 6 inch guy with a long rod can do on the sidewalk.

Oh God, dont you just hate these pissing contests ? TL MC

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Oh God, dont you just hate these pissing contests ?

Oh, thank goodness it’s just a pissing contest……methought…….but no, a man were an ass to say what I thought!

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Oh God, dont you just hate these pissing contests ? Oh, thank goodness it’s just a pissing contest……methought…….but no, a man were an ass to say what I thought!

You got RCMP on the brain. Mu

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My room mate just got back from Vegas…she said she saw a lot of weird things going on…

I’m one of them.  They pay me good money to act stupid.  I’m an actor you see?  The hotel wants silly and I give it to them.

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She was an amateur.  No working girl in Vegas would be turned by $106.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me first say, "I’m a midget, love fly fishing, and live in Las Vegas." Arriving at work approximately 45 minutes early with nothing to do, I wondered what I could do to fill my time.  Within an instant it came to me, practice my casting.  However, I work on the Las Vegas strip.  No problem, I pulled out my 9′ rod and an old line that I only use for practice casting on concrete.  Yea, I did it.  I went on the strip and practiced my cast.  As you could imagine, I received an assortment of comments from the absurd, funny, and outright rude. All of a sudden a gentleman stopped his car and asked, "have you had a HOOKER." "Not yet.  I’ve been trying to interest the one down the street.  But no bites," I replied. "Try a hundred," he said as he drove off with a chuckle. I didn’t have a hundred, only a few twenties, two fives, and a one.  After taking the one out of my wallet, I folded it into a small square.  I pulled out my Buck Knife and poked a hole in the bill.  What the heck, I was board and it was some thing to do.  I also thought it was funny.  Boy, I sure got a lot of comments now.  People all over the place.  But, everyone gave me room to cast. I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation. Looking back at the situation, it must have been quite a sight to see a 4′ 6" man fly fishing on the Las Vegas strip.  Even now it makes me laugh. It was a pretty strange thing to do.

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snip I had an imaginary stream in front of me, cast my line, and allowed the bill to float to the ground.  All of a sudden an attractive lady stepped on the bill and picked it up.  I didn’t want her to keep it so I started reeling in the line.  She continued holding onto the bill as she walked towards me. "Is this yours," she asked. "Thank you," I said. "Now that you’ve caught me, what are you going to do with me?" I was shocked.  Was she really a hooker?  I still don’t know even at this time if she was.  However, I politely excused myself and quickly went to work.  I felt uncomfortable and wanted out of the situation.

V. You are obviously a C&R fisherman at heart, however I would suggest you spend some time reading the C&R/C&K thread and seek guidance from the doyen there as to exactly when/whether it is appropriate for a C&R guy to keep a beauty such as you described. Uh. By the by. What fly….er……bill were you using again and do you think it would work as well for a 6′ fat guy? Kiyu

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Tyler You have a great rod for the money, I don’t know what happened to your rod but I can say for a fact that you will be well taken care of . BTW Sage makes good rods to but they break to and so do the rest of them and guess what so do cars. Just my .02 worth. Good Luck KW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank’s for the help guys.  I sent my rod in to get repaired/replaced the other day.  I hope they replace it.  I guess my real question is if there is a better made rod out there for around the same price.  I paid about $150 for it.  I know Sage makes good rods, but I’ve seen how much they cost. Can’t quite afford them.  Maybe someday. Thanks Again, Tyler FYI Diamondback has an unconditional lifetime warranty KW I think Diamondback has a replacement guarantee. Take it back to the dealer or call Diamondback yourself. Use the number on your warranty registration card. Fixing graphite rods doesn’t work well because of the brittleness of the material. There can be micro-cracks in the rod distant from the break. If diamondback doesn’t replace the rod with a new one, then buy a rod from a company that has a good guarantee next time. Slammed my 8 year old sage into the liftgate on my Explorer….replaced. The tip on my friends Sage was broken by the guide he hired….replaced. Another friend lent his custom Sage to a friend and the friend broke the tip off…Sage sent him a new blank. You spend too much money on these fragile things not to have a replacement guarantee. Steve Yes,  most common cause of that is the ferrule has worked loose.  I once caught 15 fish and had the rod explode on a cast when that happened. The good news,  there is a good chance Diamondback will work with you on replacing it. There is a chance that the ferrule is done incorrectly.  If that is the case Diamondback will probably give you a new rod.  Call them. Alright, I just bought a new setup a couple of weeks ago.  An Orvis 5/6 Rocky Mountain reel with a 9′ 6wt. Diamondback 3 piece rod.  The reel is great, but the middle section of the rod snapped right at the top ferrule while I was casting.  It was only my second time out with it.  Has anyone else had this problem with these rods, or is it just my bad luck? Tyler Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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An Orvis 5/6 Rocky Mountain reel with a 9′ 6wt. Diamondback 3 piece rod.  The reel is great, but the middle section of the rod snapped right at the top ferrule while I was casting.  It was only my second time out with it.  Has anyone else had this problem with these rods, or is it just my bad luck?

Not your bad luck, I’ve had two Diamondbacks, both snapped at the ferrulles during normal casting. While they are guaranteed, it is a major PITA. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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An Orvis 5/6 Rocky Mountain reel with a 9′ 6wt. Diamondback 3 piece rod.  The reel is great, but the middle section of the rod snapped right at the top ferrule while I was casting.  It was only my second time out with it.  Has anyone else had this problem with these rods, or is it just my bad luck? Not your bad luck, I’ve had two Diamondbacks, both snapped at the ferrulles during normal casting. While they are guaranteed, it is a major PITA.

I don’t know so I will have to ask this question.  IF your Diamondback doesn’t have a guide RIGHT AT THE BASE of that ferrule station, the fulcrum point is missing which absorbs the shear forces, thus stopping ferrules from snapping off at the base.  Another thing that is important Wayne is properly placed guides at the base of ferrules (both sides) remove a tremendous amount of male/female ferrule wear.  Therefore, IF there are no GUIDES at the base of the butt section immediately below the ferrule, that may very well be the reason these Diamondbacks are breaking at the point. Just another bastardly comment and suggestion. — Mr. G.   http://www.gink.com/chat   "Flyfisherman’s Camp Fires Burning" Fly Fishing’s Talking Camp Site http://www.gink.com  

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Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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What is the newsletter address? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;   There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot." – Steven Wright

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Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Preciate that Bob, You may rest assured that I will always be skulking in the shadows of R.O.F.B. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Happy 99 is an apparently harmless but annoying Trojan, similar to a virus but it doesn’t duplicate itself.  What it does do is duplicate itself every time you send an email or newsgroup message. Below are instructions to remove it. Check Windowssystem for the presence of these files. 1. SKA.EXE 2. SKA.DLL 3. WSOCK32.SKA If you find them you have been attacked by Happy 99.  To remove them manually.   1. Delete SKA.EXE,SKA.DLL and WSOCK32.DLL 2. Rename WSOCK32.SKA as WSOCK32.DLL Make sure WSOCK32.SKA is present before deleting WSOCK32.DLL You may need to restart in safe mode to gain access to WSOCK32.DLL.

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If we are going to vacation in Marbella, Spain and could land in Malaga or Gibraltar.  It is $200 less to fly into Gibraltar rather than Malaga and seems to be the same distance to Marbella from either airport.   Can you give me any other good reasons to chose one over the other. Rich Parker

 I would choose Malaga cos of the hold-ups in Gib.  However, if u dont hv a car in Gib, just walk over the border to La Linea, you can catch a bus, so you should not have the same Spanish customs border problems. Sue

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the train from the airport to Tormolenous (dont think that is spelt

right) Torremolinos,but the train continues to Fuengirola,better to change there.            L.P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Thank you all for the great first hand input.  Just what I wanted.  I will have to search for the charter flights now between London and Malaga. Rich Parker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If we are going to vacation in Marbella, Spain and could land in Malaga or Gibraltar.  It is $200 less to fly into Gibraltar rather than Malaga and seems to be the same distance to Marbella from either airport.   Can you give me any other good reasons to chose one over the other. Rich Parker

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You may possibly be able to walk across and get transport the other side.

Only a few minutes walk through the border to La Linea where local buses can take you to Algeciras ,from where frequent buses depart for Marbella. A little trouble but possibly woth

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What do you conceder your favorite PA stream and why? I am planning a trip this fall and would like to fish one of the blue

ribbon waters of PA. Roger,         Though new to fly fishing, I found the Tulpehocken Creek special regulation area is as fine a blue ribbon fishery as any in Pennsylvania.  I have spoken to a few fisherman and tackle shops locally and they all agree.  The only problem is these fish are some of the most finicky in the state, but there is one advantage here, if you’re married and you want to bring the mate, Vanity Fair outlets are real close by. — Randy Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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What do you conceder your favorite PA stream and why? I am planning a trip this fall and would like to fish one of the blue ribbon waters of PA. Thank, Roger @

Roger; I think that someone in Montana, California, or New York has "rights" on the term "Blue Ribbon".  I’m not sure about "World Class".  That may need international copyrights.  Anyway, yeah, the Tulley has fish, but may not after this summer.  I think it’s waters got too warm.  I’ll give you a list of some of the best, established waters in the Keystone state, and then you ought to get a copy of the Mid Atlantic Flyfishers Guide.  You can contact flyshops that monitor the respective waters.   Fishing Creek in Lamar Spring Creek: Between State College and Bellefonte. West Branch of the Delaware below the Cannonsville Res. Yellow Breeches, Carlisle (sp?) Little Lehigh, and most other Lehigh Valley streams, Allentown Falling Spring, Chambersburg Penns’ Creek, Centre County Lackawaxen (I cannot remember how to spell this) Spruce Creek (mostly private, but arrangements can be made), Tyrone, There are lots of others, but these are some of the higher profile streams, and for good reason.  I like other streams in the N.W. part of the state, but the good ones often get too hot in the summer and kill all of the stocked fish.  You will want a guide for Penns Creek.  On the other streams, you can do well without a guide, but you will need advice.  These streams are well fished almost all year ’round by some very good anglers who know the water well. You will be fishing for (mostly) seasoned, experienced fish. Jason Beary

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What do you conceder your favorite PA stream and why? I am planning a trip this fall and would like to fish one

of the blue ribbon waters of PA. Thank, Roger

Roger: WHERE in PA? PA has more running water than any state except Alaska. Be specific about location and I can help. The Breeches Penns Creek Fishing Creek White Deer Loyalsok Lehigh Stony Creek Plus MANY others are great!

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What do you conceder your favorite PA stream and why? I am planning a trip this fall and would like to fish one of the blue ribbon waters of PA. Roger; I think that someone in Montana, California, or New York has "rights" on the term "Blue Ribbon".

I have a book at titled "Blue Ribbon Trout Streams".  It’s about many of the streams in California. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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What do you conceder your favorite PA stream and why? I am planning a trip this fall and would like to fish one of the blue ribbon waters of PA. Thank, Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -@

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Hi gang of fishers, Just a brief announcement for those of you who might be interested in fly fishing – mostly salt water but also a bit on fresh water. The Web-site Fishing Denmark has been up-and-running for a while, but is constantly being revised and expanded. Feel free to drop by at http://www.idg.dk/mj and remember to watch the news page http://www.idg.dk/mj/news.htm. The pages are in English, but a new Danish section is emerging too at http://www.idg.dk/mj/dansk.htm. The site has tips on fishing, choosing and tying flies, tackle, has a picture gallery and much more. There’s a new guest section on http://www.idg.dk/mj/guests featuring text, drawings and flies by Preben Torp Jacobsen, Wayne Luallen and Hans Weilenmann amongst others. CU there Martin

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Help, need info. on flat fishing in Ct.: where, if there are any. when, (now?), and how, (head boat , rental. etc.?) Thanks in advance!!!!

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Help, need info. on flat fishing in Ct.: where, if there are any. when, (now?), and how, (head boat , rental. etc.?) Thanks in advance!!!!

I don’t know, man. They’re hell to catch on a fly rod.  I’ve never seen anyone do that around New Haven.

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Theres lots of places to try for flounder, drop by my site, and I will furnish you some info. http://www.mindport.net/~tyrone — Fishing Page Saltwater

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I am a beginning commercial fly tyer.  I have been at it for about a year and I find that one of the slowest aspects of my production tying is that of hair stacking (particularly calf tail/body). Does anyone know of any tools/methods that would serve to make this process more automated when tying large orders?  Any other hints on speed/production tying would be appreciated.

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I am a beginning commercial fly tyer.  I have been at it for about a year and I find that one of the slowest aspects of my production tying is that of hair stacking (particularly calf tail/body). Does anyone know of any tools/methods that would serve to make this process more automated when tying large orders?  Any other hints on speed/production tying would be appreciated.

Hi Mike I’ve been a commercial tiers for 39 years, the last 28 I’ve tied hair wing flies. When I started tying hair wings I purchased 24 hair stackers. When they are loaded I have the makings for a dozen wings and tails and thus a dozen hair wing flies. It really save a lot of time over constantly picking up and laying down the hair as you tie each pattern. It also helps in keeping track of the number of flies completed and only takes about 5 minutes to load them. You should be able to buy the stackers wholesale. If you have trouble finding a source let me know, I can get Griffins hair stackers for you for wholesale prices ($3.30 per each). Good Luck and if you need any additional info. let me know. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I built a hair stacker for a dozen flies. It is simply a board with flat bottom holes bored about 1/2 into the board ( a cabinet shop will be able to do this). I then inserted a collar of copper tubing into the bottom of the whole. The collar allows the stacked end of hair to extend beyond the end of the tube. The tube itself is copper tubing and flared at the end just like a regular hairstacker. The board can be loaded fairly rapidly and all the stacks can be evened by tapping the board on the counter top. I beveled one edge of the board so it can be stood on edge and the tubes are slanted. This allows for easy removal. As Al stated, it also helps keep track of the dozens tied. This is the pits when you are in the middle of 50 dozen size 12 Elk Hair Caddis ** Vic Brockett     <<< I fish therefore I am  ** ** Vic’s Fly-By-Night <<< Read "The River Why" **

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I am a beginning commercial fly tyer.  I have been at it for about a year and I find that one of the slowest aspects of my production tying is that of hair stacking (particularly calf tail/body). Does anyone know of any tools/methods that would serve to make this process more automated when tying large orders?  Any other hints on speed/production tying would be appreciated.

Skip Morris suggests stacking a whole bunch at once, and attaching the tip ends to a piece of masking tape, fold the tape over, then hold the whole deal together with a bulldog clip. Scott Univ. of Rochester Med. Ctr.            Phone(716)275-6399 Dept. of Neurology, Box 605               Fax(716)244-4617 Rochester, NY  14642

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My schedule will allow a trip to Northern California the first or second week of November.  How does the McCloud fish during this time(AH DI NAH)? Hatches? Flies?  What should I expect in the way of weather. Other suggestions for a week this time of year trout-bumming around? Reed Guice

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My schedule will allow a trip to Northern California the first or second week of November.  How does the McCloud fish during this time(AH DI NAH)? Hatches? Flies?  What should I expect in the way of weather. Other suggestions for a week this time of year trout-bumming around? Reed Guice

Reed  It has been my experience that it will rain, hatches will be small if at all.and HUGE browns will eat sculpins till Midnight !! It may be late for most bugs,maybe a few Fall Caddis, Baetis etc .I think the season close’s the 15th so check.   Harry

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Ah, the McCloud River.  The season closes 11/15.  Stonefly nymphs, orange stimulators for the Oct Caddis, adams 14, glo bugs, orange soft hackles, bead head caddis olive and orange will all work well.  There hasn’t been much of the famed Oct Caddis hatch so far because it hasn’t really gotten cold yet.  Early Nov could be perfect.  Of course there is a computer game called Fly Fishing the McCloud River that I saw in Orvis SF that would probably tell you exactly what will be going on in November Big Rock

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