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Walked back to my car, drove to a stop-n-rob in town. I went in to get

a coke and got a few looks for free. < Uhhh, I believe that’s phrased "some coke."  Or aren’t you a Bush fan?  <g

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One trip does seem memorable.

        indeed it was, poh-leece.  thanks for sharing. wayno

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Walked back to my car, drove to a stop-n-rob in town. I went in to get a coke and got a few looks for free. < Uhhh, I believe that’s phrased "some coke."  Or aren’t you a Bush fan?  <g

I’ve long since learned that putting the daily caffeine up one’s nose is easily misunderstood. Once you start down that dark path, forever will people think you’re into disco or something like that. Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Well, I did end up sneaking off for an hour or so this past week. The sun was out and the temperature got above freezing for a little while, but no go. There was a lot of ice and not a lot of moving water, and my #20 Adams didn’t seem to garner much attention from the fish. I guess I’m going to call this season closed and see what turns up in the spring. For now, it’s time to take the line off my reel and dress it, oil my reel (any reason not to use BreakFree CLP for that?), and worry about hunting for a few months. The final score for this season: Mike: A few trout, a few bass, a passel of bluegills, a few good days out on the water, a few good trips. If that’s not happiness, it’s a pretty good approximation. One trip does seem memorable. I went up to one reservoir near one town commonly referred to as a "People’s Republic." Stopped at the Mustard’s Last Stand for probably the most overpriced Chicago-Style hot dog I’ve ever had outside of an airport in my life. The guy behind the counter actually put ketchup on my dog. Ketchup! That, more than anything, proves that Boulder is a den of communists and so forth. Ended up on the water at about midmorning. Alas, I ended up on the wrong side of the water. About a quarter mile away I heard bass jumping. I decided to see what I could do where I was, and tied on a #10 yellow Wooly Bugger. Got a few sunfish on that, even though my casting sucked, my retrieves were clumsy, I don’t know much about streamer fishing, and I was FISHING STREAMERS IN A LAKE WITH A FREAKING FLOATING LINE! I don’t own anything but a floating line! It’s nice to know that hungry sunfish do exist. I got tempted to bonk them and call it a shore lunch, but they had a no-fires rule and some of the rangers were friends of mine and that could have been embarassing. I guess that’s why I had a couple of granola bars with me too. After lunch I moved over to where I heard the bass. Because of where the brush was, I had to wade to them. Oops, forgot my waders, but the water was warm enough so I just charged in. Oops again, soaked my billfold. Luckily, nothing with a magnetic stripe got wet. Tied on a #4 Muddler and started working it around the half-sunken trees. WHAM!!! My lure got positively hammered by a bass. And let me tell you, my friends, Mr. Micropterus Salmoides on a 5wt and 2x tippet is a kick in the ass. Spent a couple of minutes playing him, enough to temporarily scare the crap off of every other fish nearby, and then executed a skillful long-distance release. No, I don’t know how big he was. A chunky foot long, if I had to guess, and more energetic than my parents’ Golden Retriever after a triple espresso.  One moment I thought my rod was gonna break, and the next instant, "Hmmm,  the rod’s not bending any more." After a fight like that, it was time to rest the water. Never mind that my fly box was up on shore. I wandered out of the water, sat back, lit up, opened a warm MGD that made up the other half of my lunch, and got busy tying on another fly. Except for one tiny problem: Only one #4 Muddler and I just LDR’ed it. I decided to try my one other reasonably-large streamer, a heavily-weighted #4 Gray Ghost. Actually, aside from a really-chewed Bugger and a big-ass black Dahlberg Diver that I didn’t think I could cast, it was the only streamer, period. Then I noticed yet another oops. I had a knife, past tense. Must have slipped out of my pocket while I was fighting that bass. If any of you are wading in the Boulder Reservoir and find a half-serrated stainless Smith and Wesson folding knife, it’s probably mine. Eventually, I got the Gray Ghost tied on and went forth to do battle. I decided to try something different: casting into open water, letting it sink for several minutes, and a really slow retrieve. After about 30 casts, I thought I felt something. I lifted the rod and yanked on the line, and got another WHAM! Whatever I hooked into, well, it definitely was a fish. It never came near the surface and didn’t swim all that fast, but it seemed pretty big. I’m guessing a catfish-I’ve heard there are a few of them in that water. Alas, I only had maybe a minute, maybe less, and then got my fly back. I’m still to this day not sure what I had. Then I saw that the sun had moved over-time must have moved a little faster than I thought it had. Maybe my time resting the water went a little long, I don’t know. I edged up on shore and saw a City of Boulder Open Space Ranger standing there. A very pretty one. Now, the odds of my having an affair are pretty much zero, but this lady was one of the reasons that I am grateful every day that whatever gods may exist took the time to create the female of the species. "Let me guess, my license." "Yeah, if you don’t mind." Gave her the license, made some small talk. We knew a couple of people in common and caught up on gossip. I keep thinking, I’ve got my certificate, I’ve got a bachelor’s in biology, I should put in with some parks or wildlife department. They look like they have so much fun. Walked back to my car, drove to a stop-n-rob in town. I went in to get a coke and got a few looks for free. I guess they don’t have too many soaking-wet patrons in good weather. Drove 30 or so miles home, walked in the door, "Honey, you’re soaked. And you’re as red as a lobster." Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

     Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason.                                                         John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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My experience with this goes back about 15 years ago, BC (before children).  My best buddy and I were AVID backpackers, taking two one week trips and at least 4 long weekenders a year in the Sierras, mostly between 8,000 and 10,500 elevations. These were all summer and fall trips, and the mosquitos were brutal- the only saving grace was they were so big, you’d either see their lights or hear the landing gear dropping as they came in on you! =8^) But seriously folks…..when we went out for a week at a time, and KNEW we’d never see anyone else that we cared if we offended or not, we would start taking garlic OIL capsules two days before our trip and take them daily with every meal until two days before we came back out into the real world again.  We had little if any problem with mosquitos on these trips, but did carry Cutter’s or OFF with us in the event of an unusually persistent swarm. Believe you me though, YOU WILL REEK all the while it’s in your system…you sweat it out bigtime and that’s why it keeps them off of you.  When we returned and it was washtime for the trail clothes and sleeping bag…they STUNK of garlic something fierce. I think you may need to experiment with how much to use, everybody’s different, but make sure it’s the kind of garlic oil capsules that have the odor..some of them don’t. Larry #:)#

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees.  I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh      Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason.                                                         John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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writes It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.

Hi John, why not start chewing on Thursday, that will guarantee the ladies will be out of town at the weekend. No more snakes I hope?  Regards, — Bill

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees.  I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

      Sorry about the digression, it was offered as other little known facts of insect behavior from personal experience. If cutters works for you that is fine. The question was "does garlic work and why". The answers were "yes" and "through masking of cabon dioxide in the breath." . This is also true of noseeums (sand gnats).                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

     There is no DETECTED odor (by humans). However the noseeum plague that has recently affected Fl. school yards has prompted studies that concluded "sand ghnates are attracted by carbon dioxide exhalations" a means has been developed whereby a microb emitting carbondioxide is used in traps around school yards to attract and trap the insects. It worked, it was also found that the traps contained mesquitos also, due to the same olfactory stimuli.      It is an asumption on my part that the masking of the breath is the reason garlic or smoking work. It is however a plausable conclusion when if biting insects are bothering me, I light up and they go away as has happened many times as has chewing a few sections of garlic cloves before beginning mowing where I know there are gnats or mesquitos. I’m never bothered and don’t feel like a greased pig.                                                            John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh      Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included.

I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.  Smoking, on the other hand is a fairly good method of keeping people and mosquitos away.  If you are not a smoker, however, you should stick to good old chemical repelent. Kanghoon Lee

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[deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.

[deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent. [deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

You mean, use it just like a stink bomb?  I never thought of that Thanks. Kanghoon

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Anything that deters the moeskeeters must be worth a try — Regards Peter

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

Its also a known carcinogen. I love the stuff, but if garlic works (and its good for your heart)…. I’ll bite (bad pun)

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It works great for vampires, too.  I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!! Ed

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It works great for vampires, too.  I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!!

Ah! but have you been out at night, fishing for sea trout? Bewaaaare! The Vampire Coachman will get you. — Bill

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

Hi All, A friend of mine that lives in BC doesn’t have a problem with mosquitos himself. They bite him and nothing happens?  I guess he is not effected by the anti- coagulants that they inject into you so they can keep the blood flowing. I guess the itchy bumps that we get are a reaction to the anti-coagulants? I like to stop in Williams, CA, just off Hwy I5, about an hour north of Sacramento for a garlic fix! We stop at Luie Ciro’s(sp) in the town of Williams for some of the best Italian food in the area. They have what they call ‘Luie Bread’. It is baked French bread with about a 1/2" of chopped fresh garlic on top. Wow, what a smell! Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now.   If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now. If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

     It is also said to keep away vampires and definatly keeps people out of your private space. Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. Here in florida "no seeums" are really bad during dry seasons but I am not bothered by them due to my smoking. Garlic will do wonders for your colesteral count and inhibit the pesky little critters. It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.                                                     John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now.   If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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Dear Biff, In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a young man who looked into a pool of water and fell in love with his own reflection. After that he could love no other.  I’m certain I am not telling you anything you don’t already know. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition(DSM-IV) Personality Disorders, Cluster B Narcissistic Personality Disorder:  A pervasive pattern of grandiousity(in fantasy or behavior),  lack of empathy, and hypersensitivity to the evaluation of  others, beginning by early adulthood, and present in a variety  of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following:   (1) reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humil-       iation(even if not expressed)   (2) is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to       achieve his own ends   (3) has a grandious sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates       achievements and talents, expects to be noticed as "special"       without appropriate achievement   (4) believes that his or her problems are unique and can be       understood only by other special people   (5) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,       brilliance, beauty, or ideal love   (6) has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of       especially favorable treatment   (7) requires constant attention and admiration, e.g. keeps       fishing for compliments   (8) lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how       others feel   (9) is preoccupied with feelings of envy I hope you get the help you need. Tz p.s.  I forgotten more than you know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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Fuck you. both my parents are narcissists, and they do quite well. You must love yourself first. As far as your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dear Biff, In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a young man who looked into a pool of water and fell in love with his own reflection. After that he could love no other.  I’m certain I am not telling you anything you don’t already know. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition(DSM-IV) Personality Disorders, Cluster B Narcissistic Personality Disorder: A pervasive pattern of grandiousity(in fantasy or behavior), lack of empathy, and hypersensitivity to the evaluation of others, beginning by early adulthood, and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following:  (1) reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humil-      iation(even if not expressed)

true  (2) is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to      achieve his own ends

totally  (3) has a grandious sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates      achievements and talents, expects to be noticed as "special"      without appropriate achievement

I have achieved, much, motherfucker  (4) believes that his or her problems are unique and can be      understood only by other special people

true  (5) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,      brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

yup  (6) has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of      especially favorable treatment

yup  (7) requires constant attention and admiration, e.g. keeps      fishing for compliments

true  (8) lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how      others feel

WRONG.  Fuck you.  (9) is preoccupied with feelings of envy

because I’m envied by many–I envy myself sometimes, like yesterday. I hope you get the help you need.

I hope you stop judging individuals; you don’t know me; my cyberpersona and me, that is me me me, is different.  I’m too cool in person.  Fits your dx, eh? Tz p.s.  I forgotten more than you know.

Fuck you.  My bet: your a 30 year old virgin.  You write and analyze like some ugly faced fuck who’s never gotten laid, much less received the love of someone beautiful. Bet my last cent, your face is ugly, you are not attractive, and therefore you are a bitter person who has only resorted to masturbation for sex.  maybe in your next life… Oh, fuck you again, maybe that’ll help you get some. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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I’m just saying 2 things here: 1) If it’s a general isue, PLEASE try the search engines 1st as not to make every week here a series f questions that has been askd and answered in 3 threads already this year; 2) DO NOT ASSUME FACTS NOT STATED–this leads to weak inductive reasoning, then misunderstanding, and ultimately bitchy posts like mine whining about the situation. I’ve said my piece, bad punctuation, grammar, spelling and all–I’m just trying to keep the group sharp and lean and thoughtful, not dull, plodding and assuming. I know I’m not so smart; many of the genius types, as Brian, and experienced one as Roy 47 and still Bipolar, John K, and Sir James have far more to offer in their life experience than I. However, this reasonibg by assuming "fill in the facts that aren’t there" must go to keep this a worthy and exciting group. To you I offended–that was not my intention; my intention is stated above. love to all, Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion.  That sound simple, but it is not.  Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers.  You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark.  If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly.  So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists.  Grow up.  And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"?  I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue,  therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green.  This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6.  But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go?  Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it?  It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am.  But so are you.  Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider

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I am going to the Boulder Mountain area to do some fly fishing and was wondering where the best spots would be. I don’t have a 4 wheel drive, so I am limited. Thankyou. J.b.

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Please check out the Utah Fish Finder for the fishing conditions. — Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~utah/fishing

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I will be fishing the Rock Creek Area the first week of August and am looking for an area with accomodations and good fishing someplace in between there and Seattle. I don’t want to "double-back" ie: fish the madison then go back towards Missoula. Any ideas?

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I will be fishing the Rock Creek Area the first week of August and am looking for an area with accomodations and good fishing someplace in between there and Seattle. I don’t want to "double-back" ie: fish the madison then go back towards Missoula. Any ideas?

I don’t follow what you’re saying…Rock Creek..the one I know…is only 20 miles east of Missoula..the madison is 200 miles southeast…so are you saying you want to fish Rock Creek and then head down to the Madison and then on to Seattle?  If you fish Rock Creek stay with Doug at the Rock Creek Mercantile…down on the Madison the West Fork cabins are an excellent place to stay..between the Madison and Seattle i think you’ll find that it’s difficult to get there from there…have fun trying though…you’ll drive by some pretty good fishing in Idaho while you figure out the easiest way to cross that state from east to west.

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: I will be fishing the Rock Creek Area the first week of August and am : looking for an area with accomodations and good fishing someplace in : between there and Seattle. I don’t want to "double-back" ie: fish the : madison then go back towards Missoula. Any ideas? : I don’t follow what you’re saying…Rock Creek..the one I know…is only : 20 miles east of Missoula..the madison is 200 miles southeast…so are : you saying you want to fish Rock Creek and then head down to the Madison : and then on to Seattle?   I think he is saying he wants to fish Rock Creek then head west.  Two options… stay on I-90 past Kellogg-Wallace, then head south down a bad road to the St. Joe.  Lots of tunnels blasted through rock and wonderful to drive, except when it washes out, which is often.  Look closely at a map and you will see the road I suggest.  There are some cabins down at the St. Joe Inn, but don’t expect a palace.   The easier (and I think you will find better fishing than Rock Creek) is to go through Missoula down to Lolo and head over into Idaho on Highway 12. This will run you along the Lochsa, which joins the Selway to form the Middle Clearwater which joins the South Fork, then the North Fork to form the Clearwater, which joins the Snake, which joins the Columbia which fills the entire Pacific Ocean.  As you might imagine, great fishing is found all along the road but it changes from a small stream to a fairly large stream (g) the farther you go. As for accomodations, I suggest you spend a day or two at Three Rivers Lodge, located at the bottom of the Lochsa at the confluence with the Selway.  This lodge is located about 90 miles from Missoula and has budget cabins or less modest cabins.  It is right on the Lochsa river, but you can also follow the Selway with a road that continues for 20 miles until it reaches the wilderness boundary.  There is also camping available all along the rivers.  The fishing tends to be better for cutthroat and ‘bows the higher you go on any of these rivers.  I should also mention there is the largest steelhead hatchery in the US on the Clearwater near Orofino and there is also a salmon hatchery near Kooskia on the same river.  (Salmon are extremely rare to find, though, but steelhead are a major trophy during the right time of the year.  The Clearwater is fairly large, and a drift boat is recommended.)  Both the Lochsa and the Selway are among the best whitewater rivers in the US.   To get back on the route to Seattle, you can take the long way along the Columbia river, or when you get to Lewiston take highway 195 to Pullman and then continue back up to I-90 in Spokane.  (Or take Highway 26 out of Colfax.)  Look at a map… but the fishing is great in N. Idaho. There you have it… better than a travel agent or and "adventure guide." — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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To get back on the route to Seattle, you can take the long way along the Columbia river, or when you get to Lewiston take highway 195 to Pullman and then continue back up to I-90 in Spokane.  (Or take Highway 26 out of Colfax.)  Look at a map… but the fishing is great in N. Idaho. There you have it… better than a travel agent or and "adventure guide." — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

There ya go! And you never mentioned fishing in my favorite M*nt*n* stream the B** *ol* !!

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing?   A smart brunette

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Stereotypes. They’re funny in every direction.  The subject says what it was, if you don’t want to read it, then don’t, if you do, don’t piss and moan. Take responsibility for your actions. Bob

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette

You could always bleach ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Hooks down to size 60!

For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

28’s are an absolute extreme.  There are, however, small midges which are about this size.  A sz. 24 or 26 should be able to catch fish feeding on such bugs, however.  26’s are used for Trico spinner falls here, and 28’s are used late in the year.  The Trico’s themselves are acutually sz. 24’s.  The theory is that the wing material in the 24’s and even 26’s gets bent-back because it is limp and flexable enough that it’s length allows this.  On a sz. 28 and 26, the wing material is shorter so the "bent" wing is lessened.  This is true on fished-over trout. Jason Beary

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

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Hooks down to size 60! For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@  "See Dick fly-fish.   See Dick catch fish.   See Dick kill fish."      DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@

Can anyone see a size 60! Peter

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette You could always bleach ?

No good will become a fellow who longs after bleached things. Humble manner… Close shave every Thursday… Spinolio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G. According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

In Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary "Unabridged" that is SIX INCHES THICK and printed from 1904 – 1953-4 the word GINK is not listed Charlie.  However; in The Century Dictionary AN ENCYCLOoPEDIC LEXICON OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE copyrighted in 1889, it is listed and referred to as a word of antiquity that is seldom if ever used.  The definitions that I posted are accurrate and are the original historical story of the word ‘gink’ which this works explains of all words.  When first recorded as used . . . several examples how to use the words, etc. Webster, in this case is totally incorrect.  In fact, the word ‘gink’ had not been used in any known literature or newspapers world-wide for a long time.  Attesting to how remote it had been removed from the English language and the use thereof.  You just don’t hear people going around and referring to an endearing gentleman today ans a fine gink of a man. You don’t hear fishermen referring to baby salmon as gink salmon but smolt instead . . . anymore.  My spin on the word in naming Gehrke’s Gink was to revive the word to mean a product that is used by "Good Fishermen" or literally, "Good Gentlemen".  In fact, the name Gehrke’s Gink was so odd at the time of its introduction that anything with a name as crazy as this one . . ."I just have to try it once, has to be good," is what helped endear this world’s best product to a public that at the time didn’t have a dry fly dressing that worked and which was chemically safe.  But that is another story. I love the word GINK!  It is a fun word and I can assure you Charlie, no where in human history in the finest libraries I have been in, does any demeaning definitions of the word occur, until in the most recent times when hundreds of people now have what they think are literally hundreds of differnt meanings . . . because they are putting ‘their spin on the word.’  It is a strange sounding word to the ear, for one thing.  But any old Dictionary Brittanica Encyclopedia has the original meanings still intact.  In fact, just the word ‘Salmo or Salmon’ can cover nearly a thousand words in such a set just explaining Salmon.  GINK are indeed baby smolt, or salmon Charlie.  I’ve been studying this word for over 25 years.  There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge. The spring salmon are starting to move up the Snake here and the little ginks will soon be searching, once again, the callings of the sea. From one good old Gink to another fine Gink, I remain, Sincerely, Mr. Gink George Gehrke Your friend

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  

At 53 years of age I like to stop at a #20 hook and just try to get the body of the fly a little smaller. On the last week of the 96 season we caught some medium size trout on # 3 weight outfits with 7x tippet and #20 flies. This is about my limit. I know that others go much further down the scale and it is just OK with me. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

You’re absolutely correct Nancy.  Please accept this sincere apology. OBROFF: This blond is standing in a creek with some hipboots on and holding a flyrod, whipping it back and forth with obvious growing anxiety… Along comes our friend, Dan Gracia, who…in a very gentlemanly and professional tone asks what the problem is… "I can’t catch any flies", answers our Platinum Pflueger Pflogger. "I think I see your problem", says Dan who reaches into the reel, pulls out the tippet and begins threading it through the guides… "Do you have any flies ?", he asks her "I told you already, I couldn’t catch any…." — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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<snip There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge.

I am not a scholar of the word GINK, that is true<g. You may want to check out http://liberty.uc.wlu.edu/~hblackme/oed/gink.html which lists some annotated uses of the word gink from 1910 to 1970. I found it by doing a web search on the word ‘gink’. There’s more stuff out there as well. FWIW. Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

Hmmm…why a blond girl?

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out." Told ya. Bob

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end? I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

     Takes a blonde to know a blonde.                                    Harv

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: I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & : his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I : asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size : is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." : Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made : that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend : make them up for me." I used to have some 32’s around – looked like little bronze shavings brushed out of a file. It’s probable that the guy was pulling your leg, but who knows – there may well be some asshole out there selling 40’s by now. Regrettably, I can’t follow a 22 dry in rough water, so doubt that I could even guess where a 40 actually was ;-^) — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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I must say that some of you have really helped me out with my quest for a lightweight outfit.Am now searching for local suppliers of these makes of rod etc,to get an idea of what to go for.Thanks. However,the U.K and U.S must be at cross-purposes when it comes to hook sizes. Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s. Is this U.S size 28? How do you tie flys on hooks this size,I struggle on 22`s?? Are you using ultra light tippets. I thought i fished light with 18-22`s 1.5 pound tippet(Seems not)!! — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

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I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." Helpful guy!!! Willi

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me."

No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course).   There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus.   Where will it end?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end?

I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

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There is a fly tying cd (perhaps 2) available in both Mac and PC-compatible format (but not necessarily the same cd). Anyway, has anyone know of or have seen a reputable mail order firm that offers these at a discount? — dept of math/cs ut martin

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There is a fly tying cd (perhaps 2) available in both Mac and PC-compatible format (but not necessarily the same cd). Anyway, has anyone know of or have seen a reputable mail order firm that offers these at a discount?

Hi Jim I think the CD you are looking for is Tying Flies for Trout by Dick Stewart and Farrow Allen.  It’s available through Bob Mariotts at 800-535-6633 (orders) or 800-367-2299 (fax orders).  Also get his catalog, it’s the most incredible catalog/information source you’ll ever see. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I will be travelling to Michigans’ Upper Peninsula in early July and am looking for good trout rivers/streams near Ironwood (Western UP on the Wisconsin border).  Also, What are the predominant hatches in the area? Thanks in advance, DJ

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I will be travelling to Michigans’ Upper Peninsula in early July and am looking for good trout rivers/streams near Ironwood (Western UP on the Wisconsin border).  Also, What are the predominant hatches in the area? Thanks in advance,

DJ – I don’t have the answers to your questions, but there is a classic book about fly-fishing the UP 50 years ago.  If you read it, you might find the trip more interesting.  It’s called Trout Madness by Robert Travers.  Have a great trip.       Gene

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I fished at Lee’s Ferry last year in early May and it was pretty fun. All the action was under the water (Wooly Buggers worked for me). I fished with a Bill McBurney (local guide) and had a good day. The scenary is beautiful and quite unique.  The movie Broken Arrow was filmed in and around Marble Canyon fyi.–Kevin

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I’m planning a golf vacation in Scottsdale, Arizona in late March / early April and I wanted to take a few days and drive up near the Grand Canyon to do some fly fishing.  I understand that Lee’s Ferry is a great river and that it’s only 4-5 hours from Scottsdale. Check out Dave Foster’s Lee’s Ferry report on the Arizona Fishing Page on the Net.  email me if you can’t find it and I’ll send you the url.  Dave’s

www.primenet.com/anglers/ . Unfortunately your timing to the area couldn’t be worse as there is a spike flow scheduled for a week or so starting the last week of March. Will likely be unfishable during this time. Sorry. The above mentioned web site gives more info on this. Joel McMillin

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I’m planning a golf vacation in Scottsdale, Arizona in late March / early April and I wanted to take a few days and drive up near the Grand Canyon to do some fly fishing.  I understand that Lee’s Ferry is a great river and that it’s only 4-5 hours from Scottsdale. How’s the river been fishing?  Do you recommend a guide to get acquainted?  What would expect the weather to be like?  Are they accomodations, food, etc..  Also, are there fly shops with flies and other necessary gear? What’s the easiest way to get there?  I assume just by driving straight north of Scottsdale by car. Thank you very much.  

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I’m planning a golf vacation in Scottsdale, Arizona in late March / early April and I wanted to take a few days and drive up near the Grand Canyon to do some fly fishing.  I understand that Lee’s Ferry is a great river and that it’s only 4-5 hours from Scottsdale. How’s the river been fishing?  Do you recommend a guide to get acquainted?  What would expect the weather to be like?  Are they accomodations, food, etc..  Also, are there fly shops with flies and other necessary gear? What’s the easiest way to get there?  I assume just by driving straight north of Scottsdale by car.

Check out Dave Foster’s Lee’s Ferry report on the Arizona Fishing Page on the Net.  email me if you can’t find it and I’ll send you the url.  Dave’s chance to catch 10-20 16-20" fish in a day.  Unfortunately there is only a small section of the river that can be fished without a boat, the boat being needed to get up stream to wade the gravel bars where most of the good fishing occurs.  There are 2 good lodges with decent restaurants at very reasonable rates, Lee’s Ferry  Lodge and Marble Canyon Lodge.  There is a good fly shop at Lee’s Ferry Lodge. Good luck.

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Can anyone offer any information/advice on fly-fishing in the Grand Canyon?  I am planning a trip there next Spring, and would like to know what the possibilities are.  Please suggest references, if any are available.  Thanks,  Steve S.

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(SDSprinkle) writes: Can anyone offer any information/advice on fly-fishing in the Grand Canyon?  I am planning a trip there next Spring, and would like to know what the possibilities are.  Please suggest references, if any are available.  Thanks,  Steve S.

Check out the subject "Grand Canyon FF" in this newsgroup, I asked the same question and received several responses. Good Luck Don Pisinski

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