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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

        why not just post all their pictures, with names, family member’s names, and school lunch schedule.  that ought to make *somebody* happy…. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.  I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott      why not just post all their pictures, with names, family member’s names, and school lunch schedule.  that ought to make *somebody* happy…. wayno

It’s a good thing my new Cabela’s clearance moleskin shirt sheds nasally- ejected coffee like water off a duck’s ass, or I would be really pissed right now   Scott

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A group outing makes the most sense.  Contact your local Scout office and volunteer.  Definitely, if there’s a Scout camp nearby that would be an ideal opportunity because they are heavy on merit badges during camp.  On the off chance that they already offer the program at camp, remember that not all the boys can make it to camp, so it would be an excellent gesture to offer a separate program. You can get some good info here: http://www.bsaflyfishing.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A group outing makes the most sense.  Contact your local Scout office and volunteer.  Definitely, if there’s a Scout camp nearby that would be an ideal opportunity because they are heavy on merit badges during camp.  On the off chance that they already offer the program at camp, remember that not all the boys can make it to camp, so it would be an excellent gesture to offer a separate program. You can get some good info here: http://www.bsaflyfishing.com/ I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

Thanks, Stan.  I’ll let you know what we come up with. Scott

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I served my term as assistant scoutmaster and have helped do this before there was a flyfishing badge.  It was just a fishing badge at the time and three of us did it for the scouts in our sons troop and one other. Call the local counsel (there on the web) and get a list of the troops near you.  They will have the names and phone numbers of the troop Scoutmasters.  Call the troop leaders and tell them what you are willing to do.  They will be all over you.  They are always looking for and welcome help. The scouts have booklets that detail the steps for earning every merit badge.  The emphasis is to have the scouts do all the work; your role is to be teacher and advisor. You can run the program for the whole troop or for just a couple of boys, depends on how many are interested. It’s the boys who decide if they want to get the badge. If your names on the list as an advisor some boys will seek you out. Some of the things we did were:  1.) Gave hands on demos on fly tying at one of their regular meetings.  We started using a parachute cord and an 8/0 hook and then let them go with the six vices and various materials we brought. They all managed to tie a couple of flies.  2.) Depending on where they meet you can bring in some rods and give casting instructions. 3.) You can let them come to your house and work at your bench and tie a few flies. .  You have to have at least two boys there at a time, no one on one instruction is allowe.  Let them see you stuff, explain how it works and maybe cast some in your back yard.  This is the point where some of them become lifetime flyfishers.  4.) You take them on an outing.  This part may educate you as much as them.  Pick a spot that safe and has catchable fish.  I wouldn’t count on a lake at a Boy Scout Camp having any cacheable fish. This is where you will need more help.  Get more volunteers for the trip one on one instruction is a big help here.    Twenty wild kids on a river with fly rods, wading, throwing rocks, and just being boys. It’s a great experience.  I cannot recommend it enough. .     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

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The scouts have booklets that detail the steps for earning every merit badge.

Apparently it will cost $15,000 to print up all the booklets and the scouts are currently seeking donations to defray that cost. Mu

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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something.

There’s one on the White river in central WI.  Great hex hatch too.  Don’t know about a dozen or so scouts flailing the water in the dark though. Wolfgang

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Don’t know about a dozen or so scouts flailing the water in the dark though.

A noble quest, but I don’t think I’d wanna be the responsible party that hands them a fish hook or anything else that could potentially put me on the defendent end of a PI suit when somebody sticks a hook in his eye.   Maybe a dozen pairs of cheap safety glasses would be a good investment. Call me paranoid, Joe F.

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A noble quest, but I don’t think I’d wanna be the responsible party that hands them a fish hook or anything else that could potentially put me on the defendent end of a PI suit when somebody sticks a hook in his eye.   Maybe a dozen pairs of cheap safety glasses would be a good investment. Call me paranoid, Joe F.

Both TU and the Scouts have mechanisms to deal with insurance issues.   Safetly glasses should be mandatory.  I won’t cast without them.  I also walk around with a whistle in my vest, but I’m paranoid. Scott

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Wiscoy Creek runs right through Camp Sam Wood right near Pike, NY.

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Both TU and the Scouts have mechanisms to deal with insurance issues. Safetly glasses should be mandatory.  I won’t cast without them.  I also walk around with a whistle in my vest, but I’m paranoid.

It’s been my limited experience that should anything unfortunate happen, TU, BSA, the rodmaker, the hook manufacturer, and you personally will get named in a suit.   Sure, you’d probably get out of any liability, but it’ll still cost a few shiny nickles in legal fees.   Lawsuits are a bitch for the innocent.   Didn’t mean to get so serious about it, but being married to a (former) property/casualty insurance agent will do that to you.  :-) Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wiscoy Creek runs right through Camp Sam Wood right near Pike, NY. I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

Thanks.  There’s also a pretty nice campground right on the Eastkoy that might be suitable.  Not many tent spots, though.  Seems taken up by permanent RVs Scott

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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

well, I don’t know about good water compared to other areas, but in NJ there’s the Big Flat Brook that goes through Stokes State Forest which has an adjacent Boy Scout Camp. The BFB is known for decent trout FFing. Rob

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I fished Hood Canal yesterday with my fatherinlaw. We arrived at the beach at about 10:00 and just after getting our rods set up, my fatherinlaw was trying to set up our drift with the tide when I noticed a couple of coho rolling on the surface. I immediately started casting an ‘experimental’ floating candle fish pattern and they were all over it, unfortunately the line fouled around the hook. I switched to a dry fly and again they were all over it. I caught about 10-12 coho and 6-7 sea-run cutthroat in about 4 hours of fishing. The best fish of the day was about a 3-4 lb coho that launched itself about 4-5 times, and the best cutthroat was a feisty one about 16". Most of the fish were caught of a dry fly, which is just an absolute rush when they take it. This was my fatherinlaw first time flyfishing in 21 years, he caught one 14" cutt and had several other strikes. He said he had a great time and he will do more flyfishing. Boy it feels good to get somebody interested in the sport. Darin

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Nice TR Darin.  Glad to hear you got some fishing time in.  Missed having you around for the clave this year. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fished Hood Canal yesterday with my fatherinlaw. We arrived at the beach at about 10:00 and just after getting our rods set up, my fatherinlaw was trying to set up our drift with the tide when I noticed a couple of coho rolling on the surface. I immediately started casting an ‘experimental’ floating candle fish pattern and they were all over it, unfortunately the line fouled around the hook. I switched to a dry fly and again they were all over it. I caught about 10-12 coho and 6-7 sea-run cutthroat in about 4 hours of fishing. The best fish of the day was about a 3-4 lb coho that launched itself about 4-5 times, and the best cutthroat was a feisty one about 16". Most of the fish were caught of a dry fly, which is just an absolute rush when they take it. This was my fatherinlaw first time flyfishing in 21 years, he caught one 14" cutt and had several other strikes. He said he had a great time and he will do more flyfishing. Boy it feels good to get somebody interested in the sport. Darin

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Darin: I lived in Lilliwaup for a few years, and fished the Hama Hama almost daily for sea run cutts and steelhead (fall and winter runs). Occasionally we’d putt out into the Canal proper when the salmon were running (well, ‘cept for the doggies – they came up river to us Where on the Canal did you put in? /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fished Hood Canal yesterday with my fatherinlaw. We arrived at the beach at about 10:00 and just after getting our rods set up, my fatherinlaw was trying to set up our drift with the tide when I noticed a couple of coho rolling on the surface. I immediately started casting an ‘experimental’ floating candle fish pattern and they were all over it, unfortunately the line fouled around the hook. I switched to a dry fly and again they were all over it. I caught about 10-12 coho and 6-7 sea-run cutthroat in about 4 hours of fishing. The best fish of the day was about a 3-4 lb coho that launched itself about 4-5 times, and the best cutthroat was a feisty one about 16". Most of the fish were caught of a dry fly, which is just an absolute rush when they take it. This was my fatherinlaw first time flyfishing in 21 years, he caught one 14" cutt and had several other strikes. He said he had a great time and he will do more flyfishing. Boy it feels good to get somebody interested in the sport. Darin

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When we went passed Point No Point there were boats everywhere. There were also about 3-4 off of Point Hannon (Hoods Head). Where we fished there were none. We had all the water and all the fish to ourselves.

How does Point No Point come by its name? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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When we went passed Point No Point there were boats everywhere. There were also about 3-4 off of Point Hannon (Hoods Head). Where we fished there were none. We had all the water and all the fish to ourselves. How does Point No Point come by its name?

LOL!…. it is one of the dumbest names for a point of land, aint it?  it’s a point, no wait, it’s not, i swear it’s a point, no wait, it’s not <G chris…. who just loves unimaginative names for places

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Darin: I lived in Lilliwaup for a few years, and fished the Hama Hama almost daily for sea run cutts and steelhead (fall and winter runs). Occasionally we’d putt out into the Canal proper when the salmon were running (well, ‘cept for the doggies – they came up river to us Where on the Canal did you put in? /daytripper

We actually put in in Port Townsend, some bright idea my fatherinlaw had <g, and motored down from there. We fished just a little south of the H.C. bridge. Darin

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Darin: I lived in Lilliwaup for a few years, and fished the Hama Hama almost daily for sea run cutts and steelhead (fall and winter runs). Occasionally we’d putt out into the Canal proper when the salmon were running (well, ‘cept for the doggies – they came up river to us Where on the Canal did you put in? /daytripper We actually put in in Port Townsend, some bright idea my fatherinlaw had <g, and motored down from there. We fished just a little south of the H.C. bridge.

Whoops! PT to the bridge and back is a bit of a haul for a one day outing You ever fish further south in the Canal? /daytripper

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Whoops! PT to the bridge and back is a bit of a haul for a one day outing

You’re not kidding! It was 1 1/2 hours each way. We could’ve had another 2 hours fishing if we’d gone to a closer ramp. You ever fish further south in the Canal?

I tried the zoo humpie fishery at Hoodsport one evening after work a couple of years ago. Lining up with 20-30 other guys looking for that 1 fish is not my idea of fun. I lasted about a 1/2 hour before I called it quits. Long drive from PT for a 1/2 hr fishing. Other than that, no, I haven’t fished further south, except for the Dose, Duck, and the Hamma rivers. Darin

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Hey Darin,   On the Kitsap County side of the bridge turn left and go north about 1 mile and there is Salisbury (sp) Point. I do believe it is a park but they have an excellent boat ramp.  In addition you may want to look at the Point no Point area to fish.  Lots of fish being caught from the beach and boats. I couldn’t entice any to my fly rod but I saw a few other flyfishers catch em.  Primarily humpies ( in the ocean phase no hump) and silvers. Dave —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whoops! PT to the bridge and back is a bit of a haul for a one day outing You’re not kidding! It was 1 1/2 hours each way. We could’ve had another 2 hours fishing if we’d gone to a closer ramp. You ever fish further south in the Canal? I tried the zoo humpie fishery at Hoodsport one evening after work a couple of years ago. Lining up with 20-30 other guys looking for that 1 fish is not my idea of fun. I lasted about a 1/2 hour before I called it quits. Long drive from PT for a 1/2 hr fishing. Other than that, no, I haven’t fished further south, except for the Dose, Duck, and the Hamma rivers. Darin

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Good to hear you’re out fishing. Missed your enthusiasm at the Clave. Willi

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Good to hear you’re out fishing. Missed your enthusiasm at the Clave. Willi

I missed being at the clave, especially after seeing that pig that RW caught. Must have been great to have seen it in person. Dairn

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Hey Darin,   On the Kitsap County side of the bridge turn left and go north about 1 mile and there is Salisbury (sp) Point. I do believe it is a park but they have an excellent boat ramp.  In addition you may want to look at the Point no Point area to fish.  Lots of fish being caught from the beach and boats. I couldn’t entice any to my fly rod but I saw a few other flyfishers catch em.  Primarily humpies ( in the ocean phase no hump) and silvers. Dave

Theres one on the Jeff. Co. side too. My fatherinlaw just wanted to be near a dock. Old timers….. what can I say? <G. When we went passed Point No Point there were boats everywhere. There were also about 3-4 off of Point Hannon (Hoods Head). Where we fished there were none. We had all the water and all the fish to ourselves. Darin

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Am about to embark on a trip to this area and wondering on the fishing …..what kind of fish and equipment will I need…..must you have a boat or is there bank fishing ??? Thanks for any help !!

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Am about to embark on a trip to this area and wondering on the fishing …..what kind of fish and equipment will I need…..must you have a boat or is there bank fishing ??? Thanks for any help !!

What I remember fishing and working in the area over a decade ago, there is some fishing in the upper White and Black Rivers outside the reservation and on a small lake southeast of Pine Top, past the ski resort (don’t have any maps handy).  I never fished the Little Colorado River northwest of Pine Top.  If you want to fish on the Apache Reser- vation, namely the lower White and Black Rivers and upper Salt River, you need to get a permit from the Tribe at White River (town) on the reservation, southeast of Pinetop. You should check with the Arizona Department of Game and Fish at: http://www.gf.state.az.us/ I can only remember fly-fishing for small mouth bass in the upper Black River, USFS lands east of the reservation, and didn’t have much luck then, but the country is beautiful. Good luck. –Scott–

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Am about to embark on a trip to this area and wondering on the fishing …..what kind of fish and equipment will I need…..must you have a boat or is there bank fishing ??? Thanks for any help !!

You can indulge in both, as you please.  The larger lakes have boats for rent, but get there early if you’re going on the weekend.  This is a popular area!  There are plenty of  high country waters, but I think you’ll enjoy the White Mountain Apache Reservation lakes the most.  They have a very pro-active conservation program, and have several lure-only, and catch & release or slot limit waters.  You can even rent a lake for your own amusement if you want to blow a few hundred dollars.  Here’s a link to their site: http://www.wmatoutdoors.com/index.htm Enjoy your visit! Sandy

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Walked to the top of the mount and shouted for all to hear: Tony G. the troll is back, ignore him he may go away.

Maybe I’m just warped, but that was some of the funniest stuff I’ve read in a long time.  Too much of it would get boring, but it sure broke me up.

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Keep yer poly-ticks off the lake and outta this ng.  Well, maybe not off the lake, but definitely out of this news group.

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Tony G. the troll is back, ignore him he may go away.

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Please don’t vote at all Tony, your just to stupid to help any one out so just sit at your pacifier I mean keyboard and stay away from the polls this year, stay away from the model glue too while your at it. PS Felons can’t vote any way keep that in mind Walter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Vote for Nader! The man is real. I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired. He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin. I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS. An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house. I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also

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I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired.  He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin.  I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS.  An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house.  I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also appreciate the fifth admendment, but please try to keep it clean. Thanks, Brian (Webmaster for Carl Coleman) Answer posted by Brian on 03/16/98 An finally this is me when them punks and bum push my buttons wrong: Question Posted by Tony G. on 04/14/98 THEN ANOTHER TIME IM FISHIN THE DEEP WATER DOWN FROM THE PUBLIC ACCESS SOME MORON TEENAGER COMES ROARIN AT ME WITH A LITTLE ROWBOAT AN AN OUTBORED I WAVED EM OFF HE KEPT COMIN I WAS SO MAD I THOUGHT I COULD WALK ACROSS THE WATER TO THAT DIRTY SO ANSO I TOLD HIM YOU KEEP THAT DIRTY SONOFAWHORE OUTTA MY FACE OR YOURE GONNA BE IN THE DRINK SO FAST YOUR HEADL BE SPINNIN YOU DIRTY LITTLE PUNK AND ILL SEND YOURE LITTLE WATERSCOOTER THERE DOWN TO THE LAKE WITHOUT … read more »

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    Vote for Nader! The man is real. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired.  He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin.  I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS.  An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house.  I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also appreciate the fifth admendment, but please try to keep it clean. Thanks, Brian (Webmaster for Carl Coleman) Answer posted by Brian on 03/16/98 An finally this is me when them punks and bum push my buttons wrong: Question Posted by Tony G. on 04/14/98 THEN ANOTHER TIME IM FISHIN THE DEEP WATER DOWN FROM THE PUBLIC ACCESS SOME MORON

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So tell me…. What does this have to do with ROFB? Rob.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I aint posted nuthin in  a long time cause I been too busy an I was spendin too much time at the computar there.  Plus the little lady didnt say nuthin but I could tell she was gettin pissed cause I wasnt payin enuff attentsion to her.  Usally anyways when I do talk on the computar I talk about fishin an huntin an stuff that pisses me off about them two things there.  An I aint just a reguler guy that says stuff but Im a meower an I got the 3133t from that Meidcal guy a while back there to prove it. But back to what Im talkin about.  We got an importent electsion comin up in a coupel months an I figger it aint too soon to start thinkin about it an who to vote for.  I usally only post to them five groups but I did some lookin for groups that could help maybe more with the electsion then them other five groups there.  I couldnt find no group on gore so I went with a Clinten group cause them two guacamoles are pretty tight an all. My old man was a democrat for as long as I could remember.  He was a regular workin stiff an after he got back from the ww2 there he worked at the Kodak place in rochester puttin together cameras for 25 years till he retired. He always said Tony the regular workin guys like me vote democrat cause the democrats take good care of the guys that work hard for a livin an dont let the companys give em a royal screwin or nothin. He always said the republicins didnt give a rats ass about nobody unless they was a banker or lawyer or a member of the country club.   So since I wasnt one of them rich jamokes but a guy who works hard for a livin an I figgered my old man was pretty smart Id always just vote for democrats an the hole electsion thing would be a peice of cake.  So thats how I been votin for a long time for democrats. But heres the problem.  It dont seem like them democrats take care of the workin guy like me no more like when dad was alive they take care of guys that dont do nothin for a livin an bowery bums an guys that sit on there keisters instead of workin an other stuff like that.  Its gettin so Im payin more an more taxes on my money an house an on the autobody shop I own. If it aint taxes its fees for disposin of old paint an all kinds of other liesenses I gotta have to stay open.  It seems like every year a little less a Tony Gs money is still Tony Gs an ol Uncle Sam keeps reachin a little deeper inta Tony Gs pockets like there aint no tomorrow. An then the guys in the shop that work for me was tellin me some stuff about Gore there.   They was laughin at him cause they told me Gore hired some woman to try an teach him how to be more manly.  I guess this woman was like a psichiatrist or somethin an she told him to stop bein a wimp an start bein an alfa man.  I dont know what alfa is but Jimmy in the shop told me it was like the top dog in the pack or somethin.  I didnt beleive what them guys in the shop was sayin but then they showed me in the paper an it was true. Now I dunno what kind of man needs a chippie to show em how to be a man. Nuthin against my mom but it wasnt mom that showed me how to be a man it was my pop that showed Tony G how to fight an how to level some punk when he trys to get cute. You know all the man stuff.  An my dad didnt have to show me all that much neither.  Puttin the bang shang a lang on bums an punks comes real natural to Tony G.  I didnt need a whole lotta teachin if you know what I mean.  Tony G knows that hes the top dog around these parts. So thats my first probelem with votin for Gore I dont know how he can lead our Boys there inta war if hes wimpy an scared.  An maybe all them forein bums will be able to push em around an get what they want outta america cause they read about the frail teachin him to be a man an they know hes a creampuff.  Already the canadiens an them orientals there is tryin to take all the drinkin water we got here in from lake Ontario there an nobodys doin nuthin about it. Then the other problem I got with Gore is all these taxes I been payin.  I dont got no probelm with the guns.  I gotta lot of guns but I dont figure them democrats gonna be takin em.  The way I figger it its just a lot of talk to get votes. Look at the repulicans they always talkin about cuttin my taxes an they never do.  I figger the same for them democrats an the guns. Them guys that work for me in the shop is worried the democrats is gonna take their deer and turkey guns an they tell me not to vote for em cause of that.  I told em you gotta look at the big pictuer an alla the issues an make an edjucated vote in November. Anyways so I got some problems with teh democrats.   So you figure Id vote republicin but I gotta lot a problems with them.  I already said what my pop told me about them republicins an how they bums an crooks.  He was always talkin about Nickson an what a bum an a crook he was an tellin his republicin buddies See I told you them guys is crooks!!!!  Plus he was tellin me most of them republicins is Masons.  I dont know much of nothin about Masons but my dad said there a real bad thing an theres a lot of republicins in there an stay away from the Masons an if you want to join somethin Tony join the Moose or Elk lodge there. The only republicin I know much about is Patakey our govennore of NYS.  An I dont like him much.  He said he was gonna cut this and cut that an that was 6 years ago.  He aint cut jack squat yet.  If anythin my NY taxes is higher then ever.  The only thing Patakey seems to cut is the money that goes to make the fishin and huntin better an instead teh fishin gets worse every year an it gets so it sucks more an more an he aint just talkin about takin guns hes got laws that are tryin to take my guns but thats not what I wanna talk about now.  To some up Patakey is just annother bum if you ask Tony G. An I dont know much about Bush but hes the president Bushs son there an that seems kinda weird to have a father an son both runnin the white house.  I dont know how old Bush is but for all I know he wass playin Spase Invadars in the White house there while his old man was runnin the place an now hes gonna end up runnin the place??  Thats kind of wacko if you ask Tony G. So anyways who should I vote for this fall or should I vote for nobody instead?  If you ask me I dont like neither of them two jamokes but I gotta do somethin. — MEOW!!!!!!! Tony G.   3133t from Medcal Catastrophy an intated by Crisis —                                                                      |                                                                      |     3 1 3 3 t                                                        |                               “-, ______,,–,,__                    |              ,-’““’ ‘ ‘                   _/     ‘.    [%%|     ‘|’ `,      ,-’“’ ‘                        _- _-/ ===   (%%)    J L/  “`,__/`’ ‘   _                        _-     ===_,,–`-_/     |“/   |                        /J     |`/     |/ Heres some old stuff  to the Coleman board there you guys never seen This is some bum tryin to get me thrown off a that Coleman board there. .   Question Posted by The People on 04/05/98 Sign the petition!!! This is to petition to get Tony G. banned permenently from fly fishing (and anything to do with any kind of fishing). Idiots that have nothing better to say about fishing then how they beat up innocent fishermen SHOULD NOT FISH!!! please sign your name and help Tony G. get the picture that he is not welcome on OUR streams!!! thanks Heres me bitchin cause Bryan took all my stuff off a the board.   .Question Posted by tony g on 03/16/98 buncha censors runnin this board my pop took it to them japs at anzio to try and stop crap like this he must be rollin over in his grave tony g An heres another scaramouche sayin Hey Bryan thats great keep up the censerin Mine Fureher. I am with Brian on this one, especially since he can spell. Keep up the great work and block out Tony G for all our sakes!!! ps. why can’t I catch fish ever??? where can i get maps for fishing??? Answer posted by Brown Trout on 03/16/98 This is the head jamoke Bryan sayin that he thinks censerin an Nazi stuff is good: Tony, I got into this sport to relax. This bulletinboard would like to maintain a certain level of etiquette. Swearing, racism and malicious behavior will not be tolerated. Offenders to these guidelines will be locked out of this bulletinboard. I also appreciate the fifth admendment, but please try to keep it clean. Thanks, Brian (Webmaster for Carl Coleman) Answer posted by Brian on 03/16/98 An finally this is me when them punks and bum push my buttons wrong:

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Good report deleted. Some general questions. When does the shad run start and how long does it last?

Around late March/early April through early May.   The peak varies from year to year.   Seems to be doing quite well this past week, though. How widespread are the runs?

If you mean when do the fish come up the river, it seems to be triggered by higher than average flows.   Early morning & late afternoon are reportedly better, but I don’t go enough to say yes or no.   I’ll add a bit of clarity in that the Susquehanna River holds more fish for longer than do these lower tributaries.   I just like Deer Creek because it’s so darned pretty and a lot easier fishing than on the big river (not to mention safer wading). Many years ago, when the shad were considerably more plentiful, one could arrive in the wee dawn hours and take up a position in quiet waters just below Conowingo Dam.   Once the rest of the world woke up and demanded electricity, they’d start the turbines in the hydro plant.   That was like an ON switch for the shad.   With the higher flows, they’d start biting imediately. Are they on spawning beds when you’re fishing for them or are they in the process of migrating upstream?

The ones I see and catch are migrating.   Quite honestly, I’m not familiar with their spawning habits.   I’ve never noticed a redd in the area I fish, but I’m relatively close to the mouth of the creek. Do the runs draw big crowds?

Crowd being a subjective term, I’d still say yes.   Some pools are known to be excellent spots, and to fish these, your space and mobility will be determined by other fishermen there.   Also, it is not FFO, and there are often a few spin fishermen crowding the FFers.   Having I said that, I’ll say that it is variable by time of day or day of the week.   It’s not necessary to fish the known spots though, the entire river usually holds fish at the peak of the run.   I’ve never had a problem finding a decent pool for myself. And since you didn’t ask: Yellow and red marabou streamers with gold or silver tinsel bodies are the fly of choice.   Use a sink tip line when the water is up.   Cast across and throw in a downstream mend.   They’ll hit on the swing. Joe F.

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We have a HUGE run of shad in the Columbia R. throughout July, sometimes topping 100,000 per day.  These are fairly large fish, running about 3 to 7lbs, with the average about 4lbs.  Hard fighting fish, especially in the considerable current below Bonneville dam, which seems to be the best fishing area.  You can catch them on a fly, but most people use spinning gear, 8-12lb mono, and  small jigs (shad darts) with and ounce or more of pencil lead, since the best fishing is often 30 to 100 yards or more out (where the current is, beyond the eddies or slack water).  Also fisherman are often nearly touching shoulders, so flyfishing is well nigh impossible unless you fish well away from the crowds where the fishing is poor.  You also have to horse the fish in since there are so many lines in the water.  But with the fish so prolific, it can still be a blast. Pat K  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have a HUGE run of shad in the Columbia R. throughout July, sometimes topping 100,000 per day.  These are fairly large fish, running about 3 to 7lbs, with the average about 4lbs.  Hard fighting fish, especially in the considerable current below Bonneville dam, which seems to be the best fishing area.  You can catch them on a fly, but most people use spinning gear, 8-12lb mono, and  small jigs (shad darts) with and ounce or more of pencil lead, since the best fishing is often 30 to 100 yards or more out (where the current is, beyond the eddies or slack water).  Also fisherman are often nearly touching shoulders, so flyfishing is well nigh impossible unless you fish well away from the crowds where the fishing is poor.  You also have to horse the fish in since there are so many lines in the water.  But with the fish so prolific, it can still be a blast. Pat K

Sounds like the "old days" on the Susquehanna below the Conowingo Dam when the larger American shad were plentiful there.   It was certainly not the kind of fishing I enjoy now; but still, it was a great fun of a different sort. Joe F.

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writes: (snip) I might get out again tonigh, & take my son & SWMBO.   Now where the hell is that other reel? Joe F.

Nice report Joe!The rain continuing over the weekend could have made for a tough day on the water.  A lot of fishermen would not even attempt it.  Says something for perserverance and determination! Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Good report deleted. Some general questions. When does the shad run start and how long does it last? How widespread are the runs? Are they on spawning beds when you’re fishing for them or are they in the process of migrating upstream? Do the runs draw big crowds? Willi

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I’d hoped to get out over the weekend to give the shad run another shot, but the weather looked grim.   By Saturday evening, though, it had at least stopped raining steadily.   Around 5 p.m., SWMBO suggested I might get a couple hours in before dark.   In 10 min., I had the car packed and was on my way. I got to Deer Creek by 6, and as I parked my car, a few of the fishermen already at the Stafford Bridge pool were wading back to their cars.   The one guy I asked just said, "slow."   Still, I struggled into my waders, put my new Mike C. 4 wt. together, and dug in my bag for the reel.   Well, shit. I didn’t have the sink tip line I would certainly need with the water running as high as it was.   In a remarkable bout of foresight and redundancy, however, I had brought my 6 wt and its sink tip line.   Sorry, Mike; it’ll have to wait until next time.   I rigged the 6 wt. & waded out to a spot about 100 yds upstream of the other handful there. I was expecting slow, and the whole time I was gearing up, I didn’t see anybody else hooking up.   So I was pleasantly surprised when I nailed about a one-pounder on about my fifth cast.   Cool.   The barbless hook easily came free, and I went back to casting across the fast current.   Not long afterward, bam, another one.   Okay, that’s two in the first five minutes; how slow could it be?   In the end, not slow at all. After the tenth fish in less than an hour, I remembered a stale Montecruz in my vest pocket.   Most of the hits were coming at the end of the swing across the current, so after one cast, I tucked the rod under my arm and just let my line trail downstream while I lit the cigar.   About the time I got the stogie fired up, I had another fish on, and I set the hook with my armpit.  It was a little too easy; but I admit, I was having fun. As darkness approached, the average size of the fish increased, so I didn’t want to leave.   The last one, when I could barely see, was pushing two pounds.   In landing that one, I managed to tangle my line & tippet so badly there was no way I’d be able to undo it in the dark, so I was done for the night.   I’d caught well over 20 fish in about two hours. The 6 wt. was just a bit heavy for the size fish I was catching, and most of them could be pulled almost straight in.   A few bigger ones put up a pretty good fight, though, with a couple actually making the drag sing a few bars. I might get out again tonigh, & take my son & SWMBO.   Now where the hell is that other reel? Joe F.

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…so walt, that explains why you were so easily hooked, eh??

doncha be callin’ me a fish, jeff. genetically-impaired….no problemo, but fish, no way. well, walt, some of us need a bit of a challenge ya know…those tight loops and free casts you throw are just way too easy…and, anybody can tie a knot with their hands (btw, that was a surgeon’s loop you witnessed me create in the air) …i need me some trees, rocks, and fishin buddies to carom my flies off… seems only sportin. how to explain it???  karma, man, pure karma… jeff (applying the billiards zen theory to ff)

as rene (georgie’s honey-bun from rap) once said here at roff… "oh, it’s a zen thingy". on a more serious note….i hope you guy’s aren’t getting pounded with rain again. waldo

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hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… i can personally vouch for jeff’s innate ability to catch anything but the occasional genetically-impaired fish….

…so walt, that explains why you were so easily hooked, eh?? he actually caught a fish after yanking the fly out of a tree….put the darndest "wind" knot in the line i’ve ever seen. the fly landed on the water…hookset, and wallah… biggest fish of the day. i’m not gonna even try and explain it…i wouldn’t even know how.

well, walt, some of us need a bit of a challenge ya know…those tight loops and free casts you throw are just way too easy…and, anybody can tie a knot with their hands (btw, that was a surgeon’s loop you witnessed me create in the air) …i need me some trees, rocks, and fishin buddies to carom my flies off… seems only sportin. how to explain it???  karma, man, pure karma… jeff (applying the billiards zen theory to ff) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… jeff (holder of the state record for leaf-fish)

i can personally vouch for jeff’s innate ability to catch anything but the occasional genetically-impaired fish….hell, he even hooked my arm and i thought i was safe behind that boulder. damndest thing…he actually caught a fish after yanking the fly out of a tree….put the darndest "wind" knot in the line i’ve ever seen. the fly landed on the water…hookset, and wallah… biggest fish of the day. i’m not gonna even try and explain it…i wouldn’t even know how. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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,,,<snipped some stuff… I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Thanks again Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… jeff (holder of the state record for leaf-fish)

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Tony, I tied a few of Andre Puyans Loop Wing’s and they seemed to hold up just fine.  I didn’t notice any improvement in catching fish Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2.

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I remember reading an article by John Veniard on the Andre Puyans Loop Wing Dun in ‘Trout & Salmon’ back in the early 70s. The piece was reproduced in ‘Modern Fly-Tying Techniques’, by John Veniard and Donald Downs. At the time, I never had the confidence that those loop wings would hold up for any distance with me: I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Tony Deacon

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Not knockin’ your knowledge of the G&H Sedge Tony, but truth be known, it was ACTUALLY a threesome that developed this fly. The pattern was thought up as a collaboration by three tyers and fishermen, one who didn’t want any credit for his part in developing the fly, a guy named Andre Puyans…

(interesting history snipped) I’m indebted to you Larry. I didn’t know that Andre Puyans had a hand in the G&H. Credit where it’s due! I have at least a nodding acquaintance with John Goddard. He was very good about providing me with articles, at short notice sometimes, when I edited the quarterly magazine of the Fly Dressers’ Guild a few years back. He has probably forgotten more about angling than most of us will every know. Very dry sense of humour. Now, if only Andy can get full credit for his Loop Wing Dun and his line of AP Nymphs, among other flies he’s developed over the years…

I remember reading an article by John Veniard on the Andre Puyans Loop Wing Dun in ‘Trout & Salmon’ back in the early 70s. The piece was reproduced in ‘Modern Fly-Tying Techniques’, by John Veniard and Donald Downs. At the time, I never had the confidence that those loop wings would hold up for any distance with me: I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Thanks again Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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it thick, the thicker the better

CarefulDave.I am not one of them, but you should see how one of the members of The Roadkill Roundtable packs deer hair…If I had not watched Bruce pack it I could have sworn it was balsa wood. Big Dale  

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Darin Minor writes:

<<I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Hook:  Dry fly Thread:  Gray or black Body:  Natural deer hair, spun and trimmed into the whap of a           wing adult caddisfly Antennae:  Two stems of a brown hack with the barbs stripped. Hackle:  Brown. The original recipe called for a small piece of bright green fur (or dubbing) spun in at the back as a first step and then pulled forward and tied off as a final step.  However, I have never seen one tied with this option. If you hate to spin deer hair, this ain’t the pattern for you.  Pack it thick, the thicker the better. Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Darin Minor writes: <<I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Hook:  Dry fly Thread:  Gray or black Body:  Natural deer hair, spun and trimmed into the whap of a           wing adult caddisfly Antennae:  Two stems of a brown hack with the barbs stripped. Hackle:  Brown. The original recipe called for a small piece of bright green fur (or dubbing) spun in at the back as a first step and then pulled forward and tied off as a final step.  However, I have never seen one tied with this option. If you hate to spin deer hair, this ain’t the pattern for you.  Pack it thick, the thicker the better. Dave LaCourse

Thanks for posting the pattern Dave. Darin

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(snip for brevity) <<May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Thank you for the history lesson, Tony.  I am a great afcionado of the Goddard Caddis.  I fish it almost exclusively on some rivers.  I tie is down to a size 18, but 16s and 14s are used most.  Because of its bouyancy, it is a great fly to skitter.  It will be tough to call it the G&H Sedge, but I will give it a try.  <g  And, of course, when folks question me I will have to give *them* a history lesson. Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pattern popularly known as the ‘Goddard Caddis’ was originally called the ‘G&H Sedge’ and was a collaboration between John Goddard and the late Cliff Henry. I share the belief with many that the G&H is one of the truly great dry fly designs of all time. Because it is positively buoyant, even without proofing, one can fish it on a pitch black night with absolute confidence that it is still on the surface. It has caught me literally hundreds of brown and rainbow trout and many dozens of sea trout, fished as a ‘wake’ fly on the blackest of nights. May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Darin

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Not knockin’ your knowledge of the G&H Sedge Tony, but truth be known, it was ACTUALLY a threesome that developed this fly. The pattern was thought up as a collaboration by three tyers and fishermen, one who didn’t want any credit for his part in developing the fly, a guy named Andre Puyans.  Andy was sitting with John and Cliff one of the nights they were developing this fly and actually came up with the idea of the spun and clipped hair.  Story is by the time they had the "final product" tied, they were all in quite a drunken stupor and were quite pleased with their efforts, but didn’t really know what they came up with until the next morning when they were sober!! One of the features of the patten that has seemed to vanish into the dust is the spun fur dubbing strip of green hare (or originally seal) that was left hanging from the rear of the hook until the fly was completed, then pulled forward under the belly before tying in the antennae and hackling the fly. Another tip I shared with someone earlier today was to make the fly have a more "mottled" appearance like sedges naturally do, blend caribou and antelope along with deer to get the "blotchy" colors that are seen in a sedge’s wings.  The antennae are optional, but sure look nice on the finished fly….stripped coachman brown hackle quills are my favorite, but moose looks nice too.  Tie in the hackle quills just forward of the finished and trimmed body by the butts, leaving the tips on the hackles, then trim them after hackling the fly. Andy ties this patten at demos he does at some shows and tells the story, giving FULL CREDIT to both John Goddard and Cliff Henry when he does…and he says "It’s known now as the Goddard Caddis, but the TRUE name of the fly is the G&H Sedge" Larry #:)# Now, if only Andy can get full credit for his Loop Wing Dun and his line of AP Nymphs, among other flies he’s developed over the years…

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The pattern popularly known as the ‘Goddard Caddis’ was originally called the ‘G&H Sedge’ and was a collaboration between John Goddard and the late Cliff Henry. I share the belief with many that the G&H is one of the truly great dry fly designs of all time. Because it is positively buoyant, even without proofing, one can fish it on a pitch black night with absolute confidence that it is still on the surface. It has caught me literally hundreds of brown and rainbow trout and many dozens of sea trout, fished as a ‘wake’ fly on the blackest of nights. May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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[a lot of insufferably smug crap snipped]                                 Chris Simmons

Next time you get the urge to pontificate on the Usenet, head for the toilet instead. Peter Charles

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If you colonials didnt have your heads in the sand half the time, and up somebody elses ass the other half,  you would know that lavender was the colour the season before last. The absolutely cool fly fisher in the coming season will be wearing pale lemon breathables, under orange wading boots, complemented with pink spats ( gravel guards for the uninitiated ! ) with bright yellow suspenders bearing the logo " If you dont C&R you are a wimp". The whole tastefully topped off with a "shortie" wading jacket in aubergine and beige  "flecktarn" with matching hat and chin strap. We are now open for flames ! Tight lines ! ( and whatever else seems appropriate under the circumstances ! ). Mike Connor

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And  please  lets  not forget  How effective  gun control was in Northern Ireland. Jeesh. I contributed to this off topic thread?  lets stay with the purpose of this  NG please. There is a lot of  expertise and love of  fly fishing here. lets not dilute it with Politically Correct advodacy crap Davd

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[deleted] you dye your own doncha?

..get a big assed food processor a 6 foot butterfly net and round trip airline tickets to gay ski week in Aspen…just make sure to release all the fish when you hit The Pan. Your pal, — TimW

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Yeah..shooting fish!  He who owns a gun is a citizen?  Was this something I missed in the new Imigration Act? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke

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He means "He who owns a gun is a driving license holder" (if even that). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah..shooting fish!  He who owns a gun is a citizen?  Was this something I missed in the new Imigration Act? He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke

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He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke

A gun is like a parachute, when you need one-YOU NEED ONE                                                        John Popp

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He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke A gun is like a parachute, when you need one-YOU NEED ONE                                                       John Popp

People who own guns are more likely to get shot than those who dont . Mike Connor

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Chris, you talk like someone who still view Americans as strange type with plaid pants, 3 cameras round their necks and all talking loudly but not saying anything. You clearly have never been to the US. I am a British ex-pat and I tell you they are *exactly* like Brits, insofar as Brits are exactly like everyone else in the world. Sorry to burst your bubble on that one. In fact in many ways, living here is so much better. I don’t need to lock my door at night, I leave my car unlocked with the windows down when I go fishing on a main road and the worst that has ever happened is that I had a wet set when I returned. British gun laws and British ‘freedom with responsibility’ didn’t stop the Northern Irish from slaughtering 3000 odd people. Can’t remember the last time Americans pulled two people from a car, stripped them naked whilst women onlookers jeered and eventually put two bullets their heads. Doesn’t jump out at me. The now-famous mass killings here in the US are no different from the Hungerford slaughter in the late 80s, or that recent one in Scotland. These examples come out without having to think. You should do some national self reflection before you post. Really. As far as this newsgroup goes, don’t read the ‘50%’ of posts that don’t interest you. Notice that only a small percentage of the people in the group start and nurture these threads. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who they are. Start the odd thread now and then, if you are so inclined. Good luck and enjoy the news group. It is one of the best forums on the net, IMHO. Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                     Best regards from over the pond                             Chris Simmons

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] would someone in colorado tell me everything they have learned about where to fish and how to fish?  i am planning a week-long trip to denver, and need something to spend money on.  for instance, are neoprene waders worn by the cool guys?  if so, what brand should i get? Sure… Wear lavender so you don’t clash with the wallpaper when you get back to the hotel. Your pal, TimW

Where the hell do you order them? Should be in the orvis cat…no mention of em. not in cabella’s either. Felt sure I’d find a pair for sale on EH’s page, but no luck there. gotta be cool, doncha know. questions….. timbo, you dye your own doncha? do you use a commercial non-bleeding dye? how long do you soak/bathe em? any special curing tricks you care to share? best…. –Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms  Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins)  Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up

 Chris, These are the very reasons that I stay home and go on-line. Love from the Colonies, Ron

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[deleted] would someone in colorado tell me everything they have learned about where to fish and how to fish?  i am planning a week-long trip to denver, and need something to spend money on.  for instance, are neoprene waders worn by the cool guys?  if so, what brand should i get?

Sure… Wear lavender so you don’t clash with the wallpaper when you get back to the hotel. Your pal, TimW

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As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief,

        (lots of failure to communicate snipped) So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                     Best regards from over the pond                               Chris Simmons

        oh, well, i will interrupt my partying on to supply a post that might please you, chris old fellow:         thomas & thomas is better than sage.         no, sage is better.         isn’t.         is. or, perhaps this one:         would someone in colorado tell me everything they have learned about where to fish and how to fish?  i am planning a week-long trip to denver, and need something to spend money on.  for instance, are neoprene waders worn by the cool guys?  if so, what brand should i get? or this:         as you all know, the "humpbacked scarlet zizzwheel" is one of the greatest late season carp flies of all time.  should i make my final dubbing with rat fur stained with the urine of immature fox?         well, hope that satisfies your need for the kind of posts we would get if "off topic" material were banned on roff.  sure has been enough for me, for a while. a. wayne harrison

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(snipped) My favorite is the "we don’t want to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, only criminals". – Gee, how are you going to do that? – By making laws.

(fun and telling stuff snipped) Later,     – Ken P.S.  It’s been illegal for criminals to own guns for a long time now, hasn’t helped yet.

        you go, kj.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms  Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins)  Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                      Best regards from over the pond                              Chris Simmons

A slight correction, assault rifles are not legal here. What you hear about are semi autos that are cosmetically simular judged by gun control advocates as assault weapons (a non entity). You may also wish to check out the crimes here as in England seems the English crime statistics are higher. Sorry for the off topic post but the corrections had to be made.                                                          John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                     Best regards from over the pond                             Chris Simmons Chris, I take it you’re from our motherland. We all have our problems. As far as off-topic, ‘thar really ain’t no such thing. We dialogue here as we would on a stream (actually, a little more civily on the stream). Our bond being, this is our cyber stream and it’s full of flies (bait) and risers. So wade on in, the waters cold. aside from all that, we can’t fish all the time….god knows I’ve tried… –Wataugan Walt

Steelhead for you today.  The biggest did damage to my Famous Grouse drinking arm.  Just goes to show what I’ll do for a friend. Ow!  Easy  honey.  Just rub the shoulder a little longer.  ah?  could you hand me that glass right there? yes, thank youuuuuuuuuuuu – sip! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (this is a dirty, thankless, filthy sport but someone’s got to do it) —

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As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms  Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins)  Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind                                         Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                      Best regards from over the pond                                Chris Simmons

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simmons: <<Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! Ah, but take heart, my friend.  Doncha know that there are now more than 2000 gun laws and the liberals want more.  They believe we can legistlate morals.  More guns?  Hell, give ‘em more laws and more laws.  That’ll teach ‘em! Dave LaCourse

My favorite is the "we don’t want to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, only criminals". – Gee, how are you going to do that? – By making laws. – Silly question time, but what makes a person a criminal? – They break the law. [Stunned Silence] – So you’re gonna create laws to keep people who break laws from having guns? [More Stunned Silence] – [DUH] Ya gotta love short-sighted people. Later,      - Ken P.S.  It’s been illegal for criminals to own guns for a long time now, hasn’t helped yet.

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<<Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms  Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins)  Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind                                         Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. You forgot one thing.  Freedom from English rule came from citizens having access to fire arms.

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Simmons: <<Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms  Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins)  Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! Ah, but take heart, my friend.  Doncha know that there are now more than 2000 gun laws and the liberals want more.  They believe we can legistlate morals.  More guns?  Hell, give ‘em more laws and more laws.  That’ll teach ‘em! Dave LaCourse

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Flyfish4fun: <<You forgot one thing.  Freedom from English rule came from citizens having access to fire arms. LOL.   Wish I had said that! Dave LaCourse

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind                                         Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                     Best regards from over the pond                               Chris Simmons

Chris, I take it you’re from our motherland. We all have our problems. As far as off-topic, ‘thar really ain’t no such thing. We dialogue here as we would on a stream (actually, a little more civily on the stream). Our bond being, this is our cyber stream and it’s full of flies (bait) and risers. So wade on in, the waters cold. aside from all that, we can’t fish all the time….god knows I’ve tried… –Wataugan Walt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings  sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind                                         Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines                     Best regards from over the pond                               Chris Simmons

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Walt,     I don’t think this kid fly-fishes.  He looks like a wire line troller. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – aside from all that, we can’t fish all the time….god knows I’ve tried… –Wataugan Walt

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… A good caster can get a good presentation with any good rod.

I’ll second that thought!  At $10/hour that extra $200 could have been spent fishing for 3 days.  This has the side benefit that after three days of fishing they would probably be a better caster. MikeH

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Anne,         I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anne, I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s. I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking.

If you’ve a nice open trail, I would agree, but I’ve taken my 2-piece and 4-piece backpacking.  The 4-piece is about the same size as the pack, therefore if it doesn’t hit your pack, it doesn’t hit your rod.  The two piece tends to stick out like a flagpole.  Go under anything and you can be sure you’ll bang into it.  After nearly taking a tumble into the Gorge (I would have hit I-84 first I won’t backpack with anything less than a 4-piece. My $0.02,      - Ken — Ken Janik Oregon State University Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering

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Our customers in Sacramento, CA have been buying more 3, 4 and now 5 piece rods every year. The multi piece rods cast some much better today than they did 20 to 30 years ago. Nine foot, three piece rods are the hottest thing going in northern California. We have around a hundred different 3, 4 and 5 piece rods to choose from in our store. We do stock about 200 different two piece fly rods as they are still very popular. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our customers in Sacramento, CA have been buying more 3, 4 and now 5 piece rods every year. The multi piece rods cast some much better today than they did 20 to 30 years ago. Nine foot, three piece rods are the hottest thing going in northern California. We have around a hundred different 3, 4 and 5 piece rods to choose from in our store. We do stock about 200 different two piece fly rods as they are still very popular. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

I think what Bill wants to say that there is basically no difference in performance between good 2 piece vs 3/4/5 piece rods. They might feel slightly different but I think that’s mor because you know it than you really feel it. I see *NO* reason to but a 2 piece today, the convenience and safety when packing, driving, flying, hiking etc. is unbeatable. Thomas — Thomas Urbig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anne, I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s. I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking.

Having also done quite a bit of hiking in the Sierra with a flyrod I have found that a sturdy flyrod tube also makes a decent walking staff.  I’ve found that I would generally prefer to carry the rod in a tube by hand instead of of strapping to a pack.  There have been a couple of occasions where I’ve slipped on some shale or a slick section along a streambed and I’ve just tossed the rod somewhere "safe" as I was going down. John Fereira

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There is a much wider choice of 4-piece than 3-piece. I have tried Loomis IMX 4-t. in 2- and 4-piece. Tremendous difference in feeling(4-piece feels much heavier) but casting length did not differ much. Then I tried Scott STS. It was practically impossible to distinguish between 2-piece and 4-piece. I do not think there is a general answer to your question. It depends on brand an model. You  m u s t  try before you buy! Regards Jan Erik Frithjofsen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

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Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole.

Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

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Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

I use  two piece rods in a rod case stiff enough to double as a walking stick. I’ve never been in a situation where I needed to break a rod down into shorter pieces. . . Maybe if you’re hiking over the course of a week or so, and getting into desolate country where you just don’t want to be carrying a rod in hand. But I’ve always been fine with carrying a rod to go fishing. . . two pieces have a much nicer action than three or four. I suggest a mid priced rod –in the $90 – $100 range until you can explain to the salesperson what it is you need and why. For trout, a medium fast action, nine feet, in a five or six weight. A good basic rod –in two pieces. BTW I have an eight foot in 3 – 4 wt. a nine foot in 6 wt. for trout, and a nine in 8 wt. for steelhead. All good quality graphite, all about $100. And I’ve been doing this fly fishing stuff for about three decades now, love pulling the fish out of the holding area just thrashed by the guy with the $300 Sage without a single rise. A good caster can get a good presentation with any good rod. A good rod won’t help a poor caster make a good presentation.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking. If you’ve a nice open trail, I would agree, but I’ve taken my 2-piece and 4-piece backpacking.  The 4-piece is about the same size as the pack, therefore if it doesn’t hit your pack, it doesn’t hit your rod.  The two piece tends to stick out like a flagpole.  Go under anything and you can be sure you’ll bang into it.  

That’s what I meant by easy hiking.  Open trails and scaling rock walls, no ducking under things.  But yeah, it is like a flagpole.  But a nice place to hang a sweaty bandana. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole.

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Anne, I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Having being bitten by the rod building bug this winter (3 down so far), I’ve decided to put together a pack rod.  What I’m wondering is whether for airplane luggage a 3 piece 9 footer (36 inch sections) is allowed in overhead, or whether I have to drop to a 4 piece (27 inch sections) to be able to carry it on.  I’d prefer a 3 piece because my blank of choice right now is a Scott Alpha (very nice for the money, at least for the 2 piece ones I’ve built with it!), but will do a four piece if I have to. Opinions? Troy

        Most overheads will take up to 48" . So most three piece rods will fit.                  Harv

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Having being bitten by the rod building bug this winter (3 down so far), I’ve decided to put together a pack rod.  What I’m wondering is whether for airplane luggage a 3 piece 9 footer (36 inch sections) is allowed in overhead, or whether I have to drop to a 4 piece (27 inch sections) to be able to carry it on.  I’d prefer a 3 piece because my blank of choice right now is a Scott Alpha (very nice for the money, at least for the 2 piece ones I’ve built with it!), but will do a four piece if I have to. Opinions? Troy

I have a 3 and a 4 pc. and both will fit in overheads. However the 4 pc. will fit inside most of my luggage, whereas the 3 pc. will not, and I don’t feel like buying new luggage. So when I fly I bring the 4 pc., while I stow the 3 pc. on the boat.                                                                 jc

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Having being bitten by the rod building bug this winter (3 down so far), I’ve decided to put together a pack rod.  What I’m wondering is whether for airplane luggage a 3 piece 9 footer (36 inch sections) is allowed in overhead, or whether I have to drop to a 4 piece (27 inch sections) to be able to carry it on.  I’d prefer a 3 piece because my blank of choice right now is a Scott Alpha (very nice for the money, at least for the 2 piece ones I’ve built with it!), but will do a four piece if I have to. Opinions? Troy

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Gee…. I don’t know. It makes sense to touch the fish as little as

possible to avoid uneeded stress when releasing. However, I don’t know that a simple "bullshit" answer to a biologist is adequate. If the biologist has NOT seen mortality, then we should feel more comfortable when we "screw up". I don’t think this warrants such an unreasined response. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d like to put to rest one of the biggest myths in flyfishing. Namely the need to wet your hands when releasing a fish.  The story goes that if you remove fish’s slime they get fungus or other infections.  Not true!  I run a fishing preserve & hatchery & never wet my hands.  We handle thousands of fish & in both the hatchery & preserve water.  During spawning operations we actually dry the brood fish using turkish towels to allow addition of live sperm from several males at a time (water activates the sperm).  Never see any mortality!   THIS IS BULLSHIT. The fool who posted this is talking raising hatchery fish in a artificial environment.   And how the hell does he know if there was mortality!   What does he do take a morning headcount.  Maybe a morning PE would help too!  Boy oh Boy. Wild trout are a bit different. PLEASE, wet your hands or better yet, do not touch them at all.   That mucus is there for a reason.  Wipe it off and the purpose is gone. I am no biologist, but it seems logical that all previous studies done on this, all say to wet your hands, and this bobo comes in and says……   Well you see. Tight lines, Russ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d like to put to rest one of the biggest myths in flyfishing.  Namely the need to wet your hands when releasing a fish.  The story goes that if you remove fish’s slime they get fungus or other infections.  Not true!  I run a fishing preserve & hatchery & never wet my hands.  We handle thousands of fish & in both the hatchery & preserve water.  During spawning operations we actually dry the brood fish using turkish towels to allow addition of live sperm from several males at a time (water activates the sperm).  Never see any mortality! THIS IS BULLSHIT. The fool who posted this is talking raising hatchery fish in a artificial environment.   And how the hell does he know if there was mortality!   What does he do take a morning headcount.  Maybe a morning PE would help too!  Boy oh Boy.  Wild trout are a bit different. PLEASE, wet your hands or better yet, do not touch them at all.   That mucus is there for a reason.  Wipe it off and the purpose is gone. I am no biologist, but it seems logical that all previous studies done on this, all say to wet your hands, and this bobo comes in and says……   Well you see. Tight lines, RussMaybe the Biologist who posted this is the same one from Oregon who said

logging doesn’t hurt the Salmom!

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I’d like to put to rest one of the biggest myths in flyfishing.  Namely the need to wet your hands when releasing a fish.  The story goes that if you remove fish’s slime they get fungus or other infections.  Not true!  I run a fishing preserve & hatchery & never wet my hands.  We handle thousands of fish & in both the hatchery & preserve water.  During spawning operations we actually dry the brood fish using turkish towels to allow addition of live sperm from several males at a time (water activates the sperm).  Never see any mortality!  

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I’d like to put to rest one of the biggest myths in flyfishing.  Namely the need to wet your hands when releasing a fish.  The story goes that if you remove fish’s slime they get fungus or other infections.  Not true!  I run a fishing preserve & hatchery & never wet my hands.  We handle thousands of fish & in both the hatchery & preserve water.  During spawning operations we actually dry the brood fish using turkish towels to allow addition of live sperm from several males at a time (water activates the sperm).  Never see any mortality!  

THIS IS BULLSHIT. The fool who posted this is talking raising hatchery fish in a artificial environment.   And how the hell does he know if there was mortality!   What does he do take a morning headcount.  Maybe a morning PE would help too!  Boy oh Boy.  Wild trout are a bit different. PLEASE, wet your hands or better yet, do not touch them at all.   That mucus is there for a reason.  Wipe it off and the purpose is gone. I am no biologist, but it seems logical that all previous studies done on this, all say to wet your hands, and this bobo comes in and says……   Well you see. Tight lines, Russ

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Destination question for the group: I am planning (on very short notice) a family vacation to Destin/Panama City, Fla.  Should be arriving down there Saturday 6/24. I’ll be driving this time, so I’ll have my vehicle at my disposal. The trip will be heavily slanted towards keeping my wife (not a fisherman) and my three kids (8,6 & 4) happy, but I will have some time available for myself. I assume there’s inshore opportunity for speckled trout, redfish, maybe small tarpon and even snook. On previous trips I’ve been able to do a little evening/morning fishing scattered in here and there. I also usually get away with a half day or so of fishing. The 1/2 day will probably be spent fishing off a party boat or "six pack" type charter. As far as tackle goes, I have to admit I havent much experience with salt water fly fishing. There are no saltwater opportunities in Missouri I’ve got a few BIG deceivers that I’ve used for yellowtail, baracuda and bonita off boats out of southern CA & baja Mexico. I also have an assortment of jigs & plugs for my spinning & casting tackle. Most of this is your typical heavy lead jigs and lipped diving plugs like "Cisco Kid". I’ve got a Sage 890RPL. I use an 8wt Bass Bug Taper line on it. The reel is a Lamson 3. There’s about 100 yds of backing. I’ll also be taking a 7 1/2′ spinning rod with 200+ yds of 17lb mono. I haven’t booked a room yet, but I’m sure we’ll be staying beachfront. So here come the questions:  1) Where to fish  2) What to fish with, epecially inshore in the surf or around     jetties/piers/bridges. I am no longer into chucking a hunk     of squid or shrimp out and seeing what happens. I don’t need     to use fly tackle exclusively, but that would be nice.  3) Any advice along the lines of how to spend the 1/2 day fishing     trip. Open to almost anything.  and 4) What kind of things other than the beach and pool are there         to do for the family.  *** THANKS IN ADVANCE! ***  -Mark-              ,              O          .:/          Mark Devino          ,,///;,   ,;/   Sr. Recruiter   o     o:::::::;;///    APPLIED DATA SYSTEMS      . ::::::::;;\    St. Louis/St. Charles, Missouri               ‘;      "I fish, therefore I lie"

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: Destination question for the group: : I am planning (on very short notice) a family vacation to : Destin/Panama City, Fla.  Should be arriving down there : Saturday 6/24. Which one, Destin and Panama City are like an hour plus apart.   Destin and Ft. Walton Beach are just across the bridge from each other.  If you are in Panama City, I can’t offer any help. : I’ll be driving this time, so I’ll have my vehicle at my disposal. : The trip will be heavily slanted towards keeping my wife (not a : fisherman) and my three kids (8,6 & 4) happy, but I will have : some time available for myself. I assume there’s inshore : opportunity for speckled trout, redfish, maybe small tarpon : and even snook. : On previous trips I’ve been able to do a little evening/morning : fishing scattered in here and there. I also usually get away with : a half day or so of fishing. The 1/2 day will probably be spent : fishing off a party boat or "six pack" type charter. : As far as tackle goes, I have to admit I havent much experience : with salt water fly fishing. There are no saltwater opportunities : in Missouri I’ve got a few BIG deceivers that I’ve used for : yellowtail, baracuda and bonita off boats out of southern CA & : baja Mexico. I also have an assortment of jigs & plugs for my : spinning & casting tackle. Most of this is your typical heavy : lead jigs and lipped diving plugs like "Cisco Kid". : I’ve got a Sage 890RPL. I use an 8wt Bass Bug Taper line on it. Perfect.   : The reel is a Lamson 3. There’s about 100 yds of backing. I’ll : also be taking a 7 1/2′ spinning rod with 200+ yds of 17lb : mono. I haven’t booked a room yet, but I’m sure we’ll be : staying beachfront. : So here come the questions: :  1) Where to fish If you are in Destin, find a public beach on Chochtahachie (sp) Bay and wade out to whatever grass flats you can find.  The deceivers should work fine for Specs and Reds.  Maybe some crab or shrimp patterns would also be useful. The surf or jetties at east pass should give you some opportunities to strip some deceivers past some nice fish.   :  2) What to fish with, epecially inshore in the surf or around :     jetties/piers/bridges. I am no longer into chucking a hunk :     of squid or shrimp out and seeing what happens. I don’t need :     to use fly tackle exclusively, but that would be nice. Jigs on spinning gear work well but with the 8 weight you can rig up some front weighted flys that would act similarily. :  3) Any advice along the lines of how to spend the 1/2 day fishing :     trip. Open to almost anything. :  and 4) What kind of things other than the beach and pool are there :         to do for the family. Left Ft. Walton 16 years ago, so I don’t really know what is there any more. :  *** THANKS IN ADVANCE! *** Good luck and have fun. Bryan :  -Mark- :              ,             :  O          .:/          Mark Devino :          ,,///;,   ,;/   Sr. Recruiter :   o     o:::::::;;///    APPLIED DATA SYSTEMS :      . ::::::::;;\    St. Louis/St. Charles, Missouri   :             ‘; :      "I fish, therefore I lie"

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Don’t forget to take some Clousers-no better fly for anything in the salt.  Lady fish in the surf or trout/reds on the flats eat them like nothing else.

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