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This year we’re going to France to do some Fly-fishing. Does anybody has some experience in Bourgondie, Avergne, Midi-Pyrenes (or other places) thanks, martin
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Ken you want to respond to this one?
I didn’t see the original post. Wouldn’t have known about it except for your response. Did my server overlook something on ROFF, or did you find this somewhere else? Wolfgang
<SNIPPED Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread? And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all? Sheesh… They are LONG posts, so here is some header info if anyone wants to go to Deja and read it the whole saga:
TC, R
Original went out to 4 news groups rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater, rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, rec.outdoors.national-parks, rec.outdoors.rv-travel So you must have missed all of Muskies posts
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did it get filtered or did your server miss it. The original post went to a bunch of newsgroups. I replied to only this one. Bellsout.net filters out crossposted spam, I’m not sure how many crossposted newsgroups in a post it takes to get filtered – maybe 10 or so. — Charlie…
So you must have missed all of Muskies posts
I filter them myself<g. This one must have met some other criteria, I know a lot of the really outrageous one’s I see replies to never get to me in their original form. — Charlie…
Sorry, I had meant to snip it.
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Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread? And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all? Sheesh… Are you really unable to see why people would be more likely to respond to your posts than to an infrequent, obvious troll by someone who doesn’t participate in this newsgroup?
Well, no. I didn’t post the joke for responses, I posted it as a commentary, hence the stuff before and after the "joke." But when certain "hall monitors" got on their high horses, I did gig ‘em (No, that wasn’t an Aggie slur). One thing I do find odd, however: most replies were cries of "Racist!" yet only one "race" was mentioned in the "joke" proper and two total in the entire post, and the "joke" didn’t overtly involve it as an issue. I really believe these types are no better than real racists because they _think_ they are being righteous without even knowing much about the labels _they_ are so ready to go slapping on people. Richard, the joke you posted did not suprise me. What suprised me is that you apparently thought the joke was funny enough to share.
OK, time to come clean, I guess – the original joke was told to me without the race of the girl or the nationality of the others seemingly being important. I think it was meant to be strictly a "Jewish lawyer" joke – told to me _by_ a Jewish lawyer, BTW. I have no idea if the French and Italians (I think they were included because if the "Oo-la-la" and "Mama mia" factors – itself somewhat of a stereotype, however) were being purposefully stereotyped by the writer, but I am fairly sure they were not by the person who related it to me. I happened to notice those somewhat less obvious stereotypes, and hence, it seemed a good basis for the point of my post. That said, you’re (obviously) free to continue to post whatever jokes you feel like posting. In the future, what would you have other members of the newsgroup do if they find those jokes offensive?
Well, that really isn’t my business – they are free to respond in any way they wish, as am I, or they are free to ignore it, as am I, or they can killfile all they want. I guess ROFF is destined to become splintered groups who only see about 10% of the posts. FWIW, I don’t believe in killfiles (other than in a case as discussed re: costs). I have enough willpower to simply ignore what I don’t want to read, and certainly enough to not respond to what I don’t want to respond to _after_ having read it. But I don’t begrudge anyone who wishes to use them. An aside: IIRC, I have posted what would be termed as "Stereotype" humor 3 times – go back and look at what else was being posted at the time, and reread what I posted in light of that. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve
Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread? And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all? Sheesh…
Are you really unable to see why people would be more likely to respond to your posts than to an infrequent, obvious troll by someone who doesn’t participate in this newsgroup? Richard, the joke you posted did not suprise me. What suprised me is that you apparently thought the joke was funny enough to share. That said, you’re (obviously) free to continue to post whatever jokes you feel like posting. In the future, what would you have other members of the newsgroup do if they find those jokes offensive? –Steve
These threads are obviously being filtered by somebody with a lot of sense at server propagation levels, probably due to cross-posting. I have seen no posts about racist poets or Latinos. If not for some of the replies here, I would not have known of them. Really just another piece of useless knowledge I could happily dispense with. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread? And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all? Sheesh…
I started getting them again. The original was sent to many newsgroups and it gets picked up occasionally. Paul
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Did it get filtered or did your server miss it. The original post went to a bunch of newsgroups. I replied to only this one. I think rw may be correct since the host node that the message was sent from did not match any of the email addresses. The host was on Frontier Internet. Paul
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken you want to respond to this one? Interesting that my newsgroup filter blocked the original message, but I’ve never filtered the supposed author. Probably from some other regular troublemaker. (Could have lived without the repost, though.) Joe F.
Did it get filtered or did your server miss it. The original post went to a bunch of newsgroups. I replied to only this one.
Bellsout.net filters out crossposted spam, I’m not sure how many crossposted newsgroups in a post it takes to get filtered – maybe 10 or so. — Charlie…
Geez, Paul, did you have to quote that thing? My ISP was nice enough to filter it for me…
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Ken you want to respond to this one?
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Paul G asked: Ken you want to respond to this one?<
Why bother? Unless you respond to his ISP, of course.
Ken you want to respond to this one?
My guess is that someone is trying to screw James Vipond. No one in his right mind would attach his name to this sort of thing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Ken you want to respond to this one?
Interesting that my newsgroup filter blocked the original message, but I’ve never filtered the supposed author. Probably from some other regular troublemaker. (Could have lived without the repost, though.) Joe F.
Ken you want to respond to this one? Interesting that my newsgroup filter blocked the original message, but I’ve never filtered the supposed author. Probably from some other regular troublemaker. (Could have lived without the repost, though.)
I didn’t see the original either. — Charlie…
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » Jig-N-a pig……..?
Yo Dave, I’m with you. And I know this guy is probably going to beat me up for getting out of line here, but I couldn’t help imagining Pat’s voice as Eddie G Robinson’s." See, I use only braided line, see. You use that mono and the fish is going to rub you out, see. N’yeah" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "PAT" But I take it as an insult when you tell me I don’t have a clue. Look pards, I don’t know where you’re from, and don’t care really. ok lemme explain… i didnt mean to insult you i just thought it funny that you are telling a new jig man to forget the $150 curado he just bought and upgrade to 80 lb test.. he surely doesnt need that… you must agree that a new jig man who obviously isnt fishing for millions in prize money wouldnt need to go buy a $300 dollar set up with 80 lb test.. if he misses one fish a day who cares? Thats why its called fishing not catching! On to the next comment.. You misunderstood or misread what i wrote.. as it is quoted above i said that the name tuna should have been the first clue.. i said nothing about you being clueless.. yo might be a great fisherman but seems to me that you dispense tournament advice to an amatuer who is gettin interested in a type of fishing.. My last point.. the name "pards" might actually be taken as offensive.. i had nothing in my letter to you that was meant to be taken as a direct insult to you.. yet you reply to my email seems to not hold as much charecter!!! End of discussion. Dave
Amen, AJH. They should have to put labels about Jigs being addictive. :-) After you start sticking those big beauties on the jig-n-chunk, your hooked for life. I used to only use a jig for a short time at the end of the winter season, but then I learned to catch bass on the jig-n-pig (usually zoom super chunks). Now I use them all year through. Swimming them through shoreline weeds is almost as much fun as top water fishing. Bassman
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fish a jig and pig just like a plastic worm. I use a 3/16 or 1/4 oz black and blue jig (Strike King Bitsy Bug) with a Zoom swimmin chunk Sapphire blue trailer. Right now I am using 14lb hi vis mono, I have ordered 30lb test Berkley Fireline in the hi vis green. I too feel it’s very important to watch the line when fishing jig and pig and worms. I am trying the Fireline in hope of improving my hook set and maybe it will allow me to feel the bass bite. Once you catch a few bass on the jig and pig you become obsessed with it. Anybody want to buy 1200 powerworms. Also I remove about half of the fibers in the weed guard, I think it allows a better hook set. I have caught at least 12 bass on the swimmin chunk I have on now and it still looks good so you can one advantage it has over the worm. Stick with it you will get hooked
"PAT" But I take it as an insult when you tell me I don’t have a clue. Look pards, I don’t know where you’re from, and don’t care really.
ok lemme explain… i didnt mean to insult you i just thought it funny that you are telling a new jig man to forget the $150 curado he just bought and upgrade to 80 lb test.. he surely doesnt need that… you must agree that a new jig man who obviously isnt fishing for millions in prize money wouldnt need to go buy a $300 dollar set up with 80 lb test.. if he misses one fish a day who cares? Thats why its called fishing not catching! On to the next comment.. You misunderstood or misread what i wrote.. as it is quoted above i said that the name tuna should have been the first clue.. i said nothing about you being clueless.. yo might be a great fisherman but seems to me that you dispense tournament advice to an amatuer who is gettin interested in a type of fishing.. My last point.. the name "pards" might actually be taken as offensive.. i had nothing in my letter to you that was meant to be taken as a direct insult to you.. yet you reply to my email seems to not hold as much charecter!!! End of discussion.
Dave
Me too. — Why is it called ‘Tourist Season’ if we can’t shoot them ? Shawn
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holy smokes…..thanks for the input. Keep em’ comin’ I had luck w/ one fish so far. 3 pounder. As soon as the thing hit the water BOOM had a 4" green tube as a trailer. That was it for the rest of the day….I guess i’m gonna keep on fishin’ keeping a open mind. Brian
"Dave" Adjusted his Orvis fly fishing cap, put on his topsiders, laid down his Harvard business journal and decided the world needed to hear this: The name , tuna blank, of your "Heavy" setup should have been the first clue that you are not correctly set-up for bassin’ Dave
Look pards, I don’t know where you’re from, and don’t care really. I fish for money. I described my tournament setups. Why? Lemme s’plain. First off, you gotta realise, we’re not throwing that jig on some rocky bank. Three scenarios that I’ll explain, and maybe you’ll understand. 20′ deep matted hydrilla. Use a minimum of a 1oz. jig. Usually a 11/2 oz. when it’s really thick. When that fish hits, if he moves laterally two feet, he’s gone. Lost, never to be seen again. You must get him off the bottom and up through the matted grass instantly. It ain’t gonna happen with 12 pound mono. Period. Falcon lake, pitching into flooded mesquite trees. VERY large, very strong fish. They will stay in the thickest, nastiest part of the cover. We used to use 30#mono, but you’d still get two a day lost by sawing off in the cover. Skipping a jig under boat houses and docks. Nasty place, lot’s of things to rub mono off on. The braid ended the problem. Look Skippy, everyone goes fishing for a different reason. If you think it’s more "sporting" to use light line, hey that’s just fine. I’ve caught 120lb. Tarpon on fifteen pound line too. It’s a different deal. In a bass tournament, one lost fish is worth thousands of dollars. Literally. If I can eliminate that from ever happening, then that’s what I’m gonna do. But I take it as an insult when you tell me I don’t have a clue. You spend one day on the lake with me, and you use your 6lb. mono. Then let’s compare sacks at the end of the day. End of discussion. Pat Goff
Hi Brian: Brain: "This is what i understand to date. You try to get it in the water next to or right in the cover making the least amount of noise you can. right?" Reply: Yes & No. When flipping or pitching, you try and get as close as you can to your target without spooking the fish. Often this will depend on water clarity and depth. Depending on how close you are to your target depends on if you are flipping (0-15ft.) or pitching (15-40ft.). Flipping is easy. Pitching on the other hand requires a lot of skill and practice. The longer the rod the easier it is to perform both of these techniques. Your 6′6" rod is the minimum length you want to use for this technique. A 7′6" or 8′ flipping (heavy) is the best rod for this technique. But with 6′6" you should be able to pitch up to 25′ comfortably and quietly. Brian: "Here’s a scenario of a river we fish often. The edges of the river have thick weeds and brush back about 25 feet all seeming to be in 1-3 feet of water. NOW do i throw the jig into the brush? how far back do i throw it? OR do I just try to work the edges?" Reply: When I am fishing a weedbed, I first flip or pitch to the shade side of weed points, cuts, and holes (1′ to 3′ in) along the edge. I position the boat parallel to the weedbed but 15′ to 20′ off the weedbed itself and work the entire edge. Then I would slowly and quietly move my boat so that it was just touch the weeds and then flip or pitch to the holes that are further in the weeds and thoroughly fish the weedbed out. Brian: "When should i use different colors or weights of jigs?" Reply: As for color you need to know what the fish are feeding on. If the primary forage is crawfish, then I would use black, brown, pumpkin, or watermelon. If the primary forage is shad then I would use black, white, or black/white blend or gray/black/white blend. Clear water (crawfish) I use brown/black (jig skirt/trailer), pumpkin/green or pumpkin/orange, watermelon/brown, pumpkin/brown, pumpkin/black. Clear water (shad) white/black (jig skirt/trailer), black/white, white/white, black&gray/white. As far as weight, I use small 1/8, 3/16, 1/4 ounce jigs for smallmouth around rock and gravel bottom (0-8 ft of water)and #101 or #11 pork trailers, or 5/16 ounce for deeper water #11 trailer. I use 5/16 & 3/8 ounce jigs for largemouth along weedbeds, brush piles, etc. I use 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ounce jigs for thick weeds or fishing deep structures. But I believe we can all learn from Woo’s Classic victory. So you can count on me trying 3/16 & 1/4 jigs on 8 pound test with #11 trailers in deeper water. Brian: "Do you flip it in there, let it sit for a while? bounce it off the bottom? swim it? Or are there any rules at all? Does the same things apply here the same as in all other tackle? Or is it just a convoy mission to get in there, scare the crap out of the fish, so he’ll bite and then bring him on home?" Reply: Tough question. I personally start with flipping or pitching a jig into the cover and let it settle to the bottom. Then I hop it a couple of times in place (1" to 3"), then a couple more moving hops (6"-12") and then I swim it out. Remember to stop it just before the jig gets to the top and let it drop a second and then pull it. Once I get a strike or two, I know what they want and I drop the other movements. Brain: "If somebody could be kind enough to explain the point of Jig-n-a pig. It would make me(i bet a bunch of other people too!) understand it better." Reply: There are many types of jigs, all for different types of cover and presentations. Jigs can represent many different types of forage. A simple hair jig looks more like a fish or larvae. A larger hair jig with a bigger pork trailer can represent a mouse or small animal. While rubber skirted jigs look more like crawfish. Silicone skirted jigs can represent both fish and crawfish depending on color. Let’s start with "Hair" jigs. These are the oldest type and are super effective in clear water or when there is little cover. The hair moves with the water action (waves) and applied action looks more alive (in my opinion) then do silicone skirts. They are excellent in colder water situations. Rubber and silicone skirted jigs and all the possible colors can be customized to match the forage in your area. I always custom blend my skirts to closely match the crawfish or forage fish in the lake I am fishing. Example. The crawfish in my home lake are light brown and have black and light orange patches. So I start with a pumpkin colored skirt and add a strain or two of black and orange. Then I put on a brown or orange trailer. On the orange trailer I use a black permanent marker and dye it so that it looks mostly black with orange spots. The jig can be presented in a lot of ways to match the conditions you are fishing. A light jig (1/8, 3/16, 1/4 ounce) with a #101 can represent a small fish or crawfish. On clam water this setup will have a medium fall rate (about 1 to 1.5 seconds per foot) The same jig with a #11 pork trailer will fall much slower (1.5 to 2 second a foot), and look like a bigger fish or crawfish. The same jig with a #1 trailer will fall real slow (2 to 3 seconds a foot) and an even larger fish and crawfish. Brian: When jig hits the water does it really matter if it’s quiet or not?" Reply: Most of the time you want to flip or pitch this type of lure into the water as quietly as possible. But there are times when splashing the jig can be beneficial (like in muddy water or at night or when casting the jig on top of thick matted weeds). Hopes this helps. — Craig Baugher
I’d like to hear more. We routinely fish with 1oz. jigs in less than 3′ of water. I’ll explain later if anyone’s interested.
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Mobees, also some ‘good’ reading on the subject here: http://www.bassdozer.com/articles.shtml What your car says about you – Ford Crown Victoria – "I enjoy having people slow to 55mph and change lanes when I pull up behind them" — Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
My "light" duty setup is a Quantum flipping rod 7′6" with 50lb. Oldham’s braid. My "heavy" setup is a Waterloo double wall tuna blank-8′ with 80lb. Oldham’s braid. 50lb. Oldham’s braid. 80lb. Oldham’s braid.
I have caught 100+ pound sharks..the meanest fighter pound for pound.. on 20 lb test around very sharp coral heads..much sharper than logs…I understand needing heavy equipment but heavy in the bass world is 20lb test… if you need 50 or 80 pound test for a 10 pound bass what would you use for a real fish? When i am land locked as i am now i use 6 or maybe 12 pound test and have done very well with bass. It seems funny to me that you need heavier test than i have ever fished in the ocean with to catch bass… maybe you could email me and explain to me why the overly strong choice in test line? The name , tuna blank, of your "Heavy" setup should have been the first clue that you are not correctly set-up for bassin’ Dave
I fish a jig and pig just like a plastic worm. I use a 3/16 or 1/4 oz black and blue jig (Strike King Bitsy Bug) with a Zoom swimmin chunk Sapphire blue trailer. Right now I am using 14lb hi vis mono, I have ordered 30lb test Berkley Fireline in the hi vis green. I too feel it’s very important to watch the line when fishing jig and pig and worms. I am trying the Fireline in hope of improving my hook set and maybe it will allow me to feel the bass bite. Once you catch a few bass on the jig and pig you become obsessed with it. Anybody want to buy 1200 powerworms. Also I remove about half of the fibers in the weed guard, I think it allows a better hook set. I have caught at least 12 bass on the swimmin chunk I have on now and it still looks good so you can one advantage it has over the worm. Stick with it you will get hooked
Mobees drank two pots of coffee, kicked the dogs off the porch, ran the kids off on the yard, sat down and decided the world needed to hear: When should i use differnet colors or weights of jigs? do you flip it in there, let it sit for a while? bounce it off the bottom? swim it? Or are there any rules at all?
Ok, I’m going to get probably ripped for what I’m going to tell you, that’s fine, if they’ve caught half the fish we’ve caught on a jig, I’ll listen to ‘em. There are no "rules" I’ll tell you that right now. The only rule is figure out what’s working right now. Don’t ever be afraid to experiment with colors, weight, trailers, and combinations. Ok, I’ll give you a few things I’ve learned, and discovered. 1. Use a heavier jig when the water’s hot. When the water’s warm, the metabolism of the bass is way high, so you need to match the speed of you lure to the fish’s aggressiveness. We routinely fish with 1oz. jigs in less than 3′ of water. I’ll explain later if anyone’s interested. 2. Cast it into the MIDDLE of the cover. That’s where they live. 3. Don’t be afraid to experiment. We use solid white, purple, chartuese, and other goofy looking colors. Try lot’s of different trailers. We’ll use an entire 8" lizard on the back of a jig with much success. 4. Don’t be afraid to vary your presentation. Somedays they just aren’t on the bottom. Someday’s they want it fast, someday’s slow, they’ll tell you when you figure it out. 5. Be a sniper. You need to learn to put that jig into places you wouldn’t send your rabbit hound. 6. Upgrade your equipment. This isn’t a slam on your new rod&reel pards, but that’s what I’d fish an open rock bank with. My "light" duty setup is a Quantum flipping rod 7′6" with 50lb. Oldham’s braid. My "heavy" setup is a Waterloo double wall tuna blank-8′ with 80lb. Oldham’s braid. 7. Upgrade your jigs. Anything you buy with an American made hook is second rate. Anyone who’s ever used one would agree the Oldham’s eye-max is the finest jig made. 512-847-9202 There is much more to fishing the most effective quality bass lure made, and we’ll continue this discussion if anyone’s interested. Pat Goff
Brain, I will try to answer some of your questions, and I’m sure there are other here that can tell you more than I can. You will find that certain presentations produce more bass than others. It depends on the weather, water conditions, mood of the fish (which is affected by everything), and also on what you feel comfortable with. Often times bass will hit a jig/pig combo on the initial drop. These are the blessed times when you can ease along a bank, pitching or flipping a jig to cover and set the hook as soon as the bait starts to fall. But they don’t always do that. Sometimes they will not touch it jig if you are moving it. They prefer for it to just lay there wriggling on its own, then the move in a pick it up. You just have to try it one way and if it doesn’t work change. I have noticed that on high pressure days, or in extremely clear water, the bass seem to prefer that the lure remain motionless, at least as far as your input to the motion is concerned. I have also done well in these conditions by using a heavy jig head and getting the reaction strikes as the bait rips past them on the way to the bottom. In murky water or flowing water bass seem to like to hit the jig on the initial fall. But, as I mentioned before… sometimes it’s just trial and error. Some things that you should follow as basic rules will help you increase your catch on jig and pigs combos. Always watch your line. Try to allow your bait to fall straight down on a simi-tight line; not so tight that the lure can’t fall straight down, but tight enough to remain in contact with the lure as it falls. Always watch your line. Place the lure into the water as quietly as possible, especially in shallow or clear water conditions. Always watch your line. Put you lure as close to cover as possible. The clearer the water or higher the barometric pressure, the closer and deeper in cover they tend to be. Set the hook fast upon detecting a strike, whether by site or feel, don’t pause at all like you might do with soft plastic lures. And, always watch your line. I don’t know if this gives you a detailed enough outline of how to fish the jig-n-pig, but just as with any other lure, it’s always up to the bass to dictate how they will bite, we just have to figure it out. Good luck and always watch your line, Bassman Duane Knight
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everybody. I wanted to figure out how to fish jig n a pig style w/ 20 pound test on a heavier pole w/ a baitcasting reel. So i went out and bought a Shimano Curado and a lightning rod med/heavy 6′6" rod. thru on a 3/8 jig w/ a matching pork trailer…great. that’s the easy part….Now, I’m practicing how to flip it different ways etc…Okay…thats about as far as i got. This is what i understand to date. You try to get it in the water next to or right in the cover making the least amount of noise you can. right? Sounds easy enough. Here’s a scenario of a river we fish often. The edges of the river have thick weeds and brush back about 25 feet all seeming to be in 1-3 feet of water. NOW do i throw the jig into the brush? how far back do i throw it? OR do i just try to work the edges? I know i should just get out there and use it,use it and use it some more, but i like to understand things, before i go out and fish. When should i use differnet colors or weights of jigs? do you flip it in there, let it sit for a while? bounce it off the bottom? swim it? Or are there any rules at all? Does the same things apply here the same as in all other tackle? Or is it just a convoy mission to get in there, scare the crap out of the fish, so he’ll bite and then bring him on home??? I need help w/ this. If somebody could be kind enough to explain the point of Jig-n-a pig. It would make me(i bet a bunch of other people too!) understand it better. When jig hits the water does it really matter if it’s quiet or not? So many ?’s…..Anyway thanks in advance for any info you can provide me! Brian
Hi everybody. I wanted to figure out how to fish jig n a pig style w/ 20 pound test on a heavier pole w/ a baitcasting reel. So i went out and bought a Shimano Curado and a lightning rod med/heavy 6′6" rod. thru on a 3/8 jig w/ a matching pork trailer…great. that’s the easy part….Now, I’m practicing how to flip it different ways etc…Okay…thats about as far as i got. This is what i understand to date. You try to get it in the water next to or right in the cover making the least amount of noise you can. right? Sounds easy enough. Here’s a scenario of a river we fish often. The edges of the river have thick weeds and brush back about 25 feet all seeming to be in 1-3 feet of water. NOW do i throw the jig into the brush? how far back do i throw it? OR do i just try to work the edges? I know i should just get out there and use it,use it and use it some more, but i like to understand things, before i go out and fish. When should i use differnet colors or weights of jigs? do you flip it in there, let it sit for a while? bounce it off the bottom? swim it? Or are there any rules at all? Does the same things apply here the same as in all other tackle? Or is it just a convoy mission to get in there, scare the crap out of the fish, so he’ll bite and then bring him on home??? I need help w/ this. If somebody could be kind enough to explain the point of Jig-n-a pig. It would make me(i bet a bunch of other people too!) understand it better. When jig hits the water does it really matter if it’s quiet or not? So many ?’s…..Anyway thanks in advance for any info you can provide me! Brian
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"John Beowulf" wrote… Well, I don’t know about that but last Sunday this kid was fishing in San Francisco Bay and caught, well uh, (gross alert) a human skull. Maby its the old bad boy of the teamsters!
What did he catch it on? –Steve
I think he was just dead weight, at the end of the line. PatK I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn
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Joe Fleischman writes: I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed.
Uhuh. He was found under Tammy Fay Baker’s make-up! Dave LaCourse
Dave LaCourse wrote Joe Fleischman writes: I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed. Uhuh. He was found under Tammy Fay Baker’s make-up!
The worst part is…he was buried alive! — -dnc-
Peter Charles wrote I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie **Psychic To The Recently Deceased** but I’m sure he ended up as chum.
Ironic. He started out as king. I knew a morphological change occurred in the life cycle, but I didn’t think a species change was part of the deal. — -dnc-
Nope.. concrete waders. That’s where Orvis got the idea for their ‘Bulletproof’ wader series. Herman Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975. wet wading? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.
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I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
Well, I don’t know about that but last Sunday this kid was fishing in San Francisco Bay and caught, well uh, (gross alert) a human skull. Maby its the old bad boy of the teamsters! -John
I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
No. Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975. — Charlie…
No. Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975.
I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed. Joe F.
Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975.
wet wading? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.
I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn
I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn
I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**
but I’m sure he ended up as chum. Peter
I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
Was that the movie starring Jack Nicholson as Jimmy Hoffa? Excellent. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Tying » Goddard Caddis
…so walt, that explains why you were so easily hooked, eh??
doncha be callin’ me a fish, jeff. genetically-impaired….no problemo, but fish, no way. well, walt, some of us need a bit of a challenge ya know…those tight loops and free casts you throw are just way too easy…and, anybody can tie a knot with their hands (btw, that was a surgeon’s loop you witnessed me create in the air) …i need me some trees, rocks, and fishin buddies to carom my flies off… seems only sportin. how to explain it??? karma, man, pure karma… jeff (applying the billiards zen theory to ff)
as rene (georgie’s honey-bun from rap) once said here at roff… "oh, it’s a zen thingy". on a more serious note….i hope you guy’s aren’t getting pounded with rain again. waldo
hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… i can personally vouch for jeff’s innate ability to catch anything but the occasional genetically-impaired fish….
…so walt, that explains why you were so easily hooked, eh?? he actually caught a fish after yanking the fly out of a tree….put the darndest "wind" knot in the line i’ve ever seen. the fly landed on the water…hookset, and wallah… biggest fish of the day. i’m not gonna even try and explain it…i wouldn’t even know how.
well, walt, some of us need a bit of a challenge ya know…those tight loops and free casts you throw are just way too easy…and, anybody can tie a knot with their hands (btw, that was a surgeon’s loop you witnessed me create in the air) …i need me some trees, rocks, and fishin buddies to carom my flies off… seems only sportin. how to explain it??? karma, man, pure karma… jeff (applying the billiards zen theory to ff) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – waldo 
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hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… jeff (holder of the state record for leaf-fish)
i can personally vouch for jeff’s innate ability to catch anything but the occasional genetically-impaired fish….hell, he even hooked my arm and i thought i was safe behind that boulder. damndest thing…he actually caught a fish after yanking the fly out of a tree….put the darndest "wind" knot in the line i’ve ever seen. the fly landed on the water…hookset, and wallah… biggest fish of the day. i’m not gonna even try and explain it…i wouldn’t even know how. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001
,,,<snipped some stuff… I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Thanks again Tight Lines, Tony Deacon
hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… jeff (holder of the state record for leaf-fish)
Tony, I tied a few of Andre Puyans Loop Wing’s and they seemed to hold up just fine. I didn’t notice any improvement in catching fish Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff: http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2.
<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I remember reading an article by John Veniard on the Andre Puyans Loop Wing Dun in ‘Trout & Salmon’ back in the early 70s. The piece was reproduced in ‘Modern Fly-Tying Techniques’, by John Veniard and Donald Downs. At the time, I never had the confidence that those loop wings would hold up for any distance with me: I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Tony Deacon
Not knockin’ your knowledge of the G&H Sedge Tony, but truth be known, it was ACTUALLY a threesome that developed this fly. The pattern was thought up as a collaboration by three tyers and fishermen, one who didn’t want any credit for his part in developing the fly, a guy named Andre Puyans…
(interesting history snipped) I’m indebted to you Larry. I didn’t know that Andre Puyans had a hand in the G&H. Credit where it’s due! I have at least a nodding acquaintance with John Goddard. He was very good about providing me with articles, at short notice sometimes, when I edited the quarterly magazine of the Fly Dressers’ Guild a few years back. He has probably forgotten more about angling than most of us will every know. Very dry sense of humour. Now, if only Andy can get full credit for his Loop Wing Dun and his line of AP Nymphs, among other flies he’s developed over the years…
I remember reading an article by John Veniard on the Andre Puyans Loop Wing Dun in ‘Trout & Salmon’ back in the early 70s. The piece was reproduced in ‘Modern Fly-Tying Techniques’, by John Veniard and Donald Downs. At the time, I never had the confidence that those loop wings would hold up for any distance with me: I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Thanks again Tight Lines, Tony Deacon
it thick, the thicker the better
CarefulDave.I am not one of them, but you should see how one of the members of The Roadkill Roundtable packs deer hair…If I had not watched Bruce pack it I could have sworn it was balsa wood. Big Dale
Darin Minor writes:
<<I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Hook: Dry fly Thread: Gray or black Body: Natural deer hair, spun and trimmed into the whap of a wing adult caddisfly Antennae: Two stems of a brown hack with the barbs stripped. Hackle: Brown. The original recipe called for a small piece of bright green fur (or dubbing) spun in at the back as a first step and then pulled forward and tied off as a final step. However, I have never seen one tied with this option. If you hate to spin deer hair, this ain’t the pattern for you. Pack it thick, the thicker the better. Dave LaCourse
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Darin Minor writes: <<I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Hook: Dry fly Thread: Gray or black Body: Natural deer hair, spun and trimmed into the whap of a wing adult caddisfly Antennae: Two stems of a brown hack with the barbs stripped. Hackle: Brown. The original recipe called for a small piece of bright green fur (or dubbing) spun in at the back as a first step and then pulled forward and tied off as a final step. However, I have never seen one tied with this option. If you hate to spin deer hair, this ain’t the pattern for you. Pack it thick, the thicker the better. Dave LaCourse
Thanks for posting the pattern Dave. Darin
Tony Deacon writes:
(snip for brevity) <<May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Thank you for the history lesson, Tony. I am a great afcionado of the Goddard Caddis. I fish it almost exclusively on some rivers. I tie is down to a size 18, but 16s and 14s are used most. Because of its bouyancy, it is a great fly to skitter. It will be tough to call it the G&H Sedge, but I will give it a try. <g And, of course, when folks question me I will have to give *them* a history lesson. Dave LaCourse
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pattern popularly known as the ‘Goddard Caddis’ was originally called the ‘G&H Sedge’ and was a collaboration between John Goddard and the late Cliff Henry. I share the belief with many that the G&H is one of the truly great dry fly designs of all time. Because it is positively buoyant, even without proofing, one can fish it on a pitch black night with absolute confidence that it is still on the surface. It has caught me literally hundreds of brown and rainbow trout and many dozens of sea trout, fished as a ‘wake’ fly on the blackest of nights. May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon
I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Darin
Not knockin’ your knowledge of the G&H Sedge Tony, but truth be known, it was ACTUALLY a threesome that developed this fly. The pattern was thought up as a collaboration by three tyers and fishermen, one who didn’t want any credit for his part in developing the fly, a guy named Andre Puyans. Andy was sitting with John and Cliff one of the nights they were developing this fly and actually came up with the idea of the spun and clipped hair. Story is by the time they had the "final product" tied, they were all in quite a drunken stupor and were quite pleased with their efforts, but didn’t really know what they came up with until the next morning when they were sober!! One of the features of the patten that has seemed to vanish into the dust is the spun fur dubbing strip of green hare (or originally seal) that was left hanging from the rear of the hook until the fly was completed, then pulled forward under the belly before tying in the antennae and hackling the fly. Another tip I shared with someone earlier today was to make the fly have a more "mottled" appearance like sedges naturally do, blend caribou and antelope along with deer to get the "blotchy" colors that are seen in a sedge’s wings. The antennae are optional, but sure look nice on the finished fly….stripped coachman brown hackle quills are my favorite, but moose looks nice too. Tie in the hackle quills just forward of the finished and trimmed body by the butts, leaving the tips on the hackles, then trim them after hackling the fly. Andy ties this patten at demos he does at some shows and tells the story, giving FULL CREDIT to both John Goddard and Cliff Henry when he does…and he says "It’s known now as the Goddard Caddis, but the TRUE name of the fly is the G&H Sedge" Larry #:)# Now, if only Andy can get full credit for his Loop Wing Dun and his line of AP Nymphs, among other flies he’s developed over the years…
The pattern popularly known as the ‘Goddard Caddis’ was originally called the ‘G&H Sedge’ and was a collaboration between John Goddard and the late Cliff Henry. I share the belief with many that the G&H is one of the truly great dry fly designs of all time. Because it is positively buoyant, even without proofing, one can fish it on a pitch black night with absolute confidence that it is still on the surface. It has caught me literally hundreds of brown and rainbow trout and many dozens of sea trout, fished as a ‘wake’ fly on the blackest of nights. May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » White shark attack off of Australia
I am based in Los Angeles but had heard about that awful attack on the couple hanging on the anchor line where the gentleman pushed his newly-wed wife outof the way, and he was taken himself off of Australia. Hi Jim As much as I would love to help you with information I would be unable to put you in touch with the lady in question. The reasons being in the past twelve months she has re-married and also had her first child a month ago. I really think she now has her tramatic experience behind her and is trying to get on with things.
That was a very harrowing experience for her, and I can understand how she would want for it to be behind her. However, your friend can take comfort in knowing that her husband really loved her in doing what he did for her. I did a shark dive last year at Nassau, Bahamas with a lady by the name of Heather Boswell. Before Heather attempted to do a shark dive with me for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY show(which was televised throughout the USA on July 13th, 1997), Heather had been attacked by a five meter plus white shark while she was swimming on the ocean surface over a hundred miles offshore of Chile. Heather was swimming with some friends in calm seas off of a NOAA research vessel that they were crewing on. A friend was videotaping them all in the water(and captured the attack on video in the process)when a huge dorsal fin appeared(Heather later indicated that it looked to be at least a meter tall above the water as it approached her). The shark started attacking a gentleman who was sitting upon some type of surfboard. He managed to drive it away by apparently poking the shark in the eye. The shark then turned its attention to Heather who was nearby in the water. Rescuers were trying to reach Heather in an inflatable boat which was dispatched from the larger NOAA vessel. They actually had a hold of her before the shark started to attack Heather. However, because of the sunscreen lotion that Heather was wearing, she slipped through the arms of the one of the rescuers, and the shark grabbed her leg and started to take her down into the depths. It was at that point that Heather felt sure she was going to die according to what she told me and NBC. She just wasn’t sure if she should intake water to drown herself or simply let the shark continue to eat her and die that way. Amazingly, the shark returned Heather to the surface at which point the rescuers were able to grab her again. However, this time the rescuers were in a "tug-of-war" with the shark, and Heather was the "rope". Heather heard a "popping sound"(thinking that her leg was being dislocated)as she broke free. However, once inside the boat, Heather looked down and saw that her leg had been bitten off at mid-thigh(Heather lost a lot of blood and almost died via exsanguination/shock). Meanwhile, the shark must have been very hungry as it started to attack another lady who was desperately trying to pull herself out of the water (using netting which was thrown over the side of the NOAA vessel). However, the lady was overweight and was having a very difficult time getting herself out of the water. At that time, a high-powered rifle was finally deployed to drive the shark away. It is assumed that the shark was killed, but this is not known for sure. I am all for the conservation of shark species worldwide. However, the above situation was an obvious exception. Over a year after the above attack, Heather showed amazing courage by accepting an invitation to shark dive with me in the Bahamas for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY television program. However, once the sharks appeared on scene with us at Nassau, Heather requested to discontinue the dive(understandably so). Nonetheless, her courage for even attempting the dive and the positive attitude that she radiates in her daily life are inspiration to us all. Eco continues about diver(newly-wed couple)who was killed by a white shark off of Australia: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the US talkback shows contacted her some time back (they were doing a show on tragic widows) and offered to fly her over to appear but she clearly had no desire to go through the events again. Understandably so. I do not have any clearer details of the attack except what I posted. The attack happened at Byron Bay which is considered out of the usual territory of a white pointer (it was in warm water up north). The attack was quick. They saw it on the bottom, her husband pushed her and by the time she managed to turn around she only felt the force of the sharks tail. I’ve forgotton the exact size but from what I can remember it was the max. for the species. A fishing boat did later hook it, it was longer than the boat, and it dragged the boat for miles, it regurgitated some stomach contents and broke free. There was talk of it being a sick/rogue shark due to its location. I am most interested to see if such electronic shark repellent technology could have prevented the above attack. I was the first to test the SharkPOD in the USA(off the coast of Los Angeles for the Discovery Channel, "Next Step" television program which is to be broadcast internationally if it hasn’t been already-it has already been broadcast twice throughout the USA. Ron and Valerie Taylor were the first to test the SharkPOD in Australia. I had met them both in Singapore during the ADEC dive equipment trade show where the SharkPOD was first being released commercially. You’ve met Ron and Val Taylor !!! Now they are shark lovers extraordinaire !!!! That Val Taylor is one brave lady. Amazingly dedicated couple.
Yes, I had met both of them and have been in touch with them via email from time to time. I am a fan of their work as well. For more detail on my SharkPOD testing, please access the Honolulu Star- Bulletin Newspaper article which I had appeared in throughout the Hawaiian Islands on December 22, 1997: http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html Sounds really exciting ! I remember seeing a show where they were investigating using some sort of sonar "wall" instead of netting. IE; transmitter placed and one point – receiver at other end further down the coastline to prevent sharks entering the swimming area. They were testing the concept with some sort of sonar wand that repelled the sharks. It was tricky stuff as the shark had to get close enough for them to prod it with the want but it was trying to ascertain whether the idea would work. Do you know of any developments with this??
Not really. But will look into it for you. I am all for anything that helps the sharks and other sea creatures. Our shark nets over here are marine animal death traps.
Me too. Did you see my earlier post on how the shark netting program in South Africa was being reduced because of budget cuts to the Natal Sharks Board (which supervises the netting program there)? The Star-Bulletin article was mostly accurate. However, the SharkPOD is not a "sonic" device as the article mistakenly depicts in the opening paragraph. Instead, the SharkPOD emits a continuous, cocooning electrical field which is intended to protect from possible shark attack. I will soon be using another electronic shark repellent technology which is currently being developed in Australia(by another manufacturer)and is being billed as an even more effective electronic repellent than the SharkPOD. I will be using this Australian technology with tiger and grey reef sharks throughout the Hawaiian Islands. Also with tiger, bull and lemon sharks in the Bahamas. And with great white sharks off of Dyer Island, South Africa. Thank you for providing your information. It was very interesting. I have been lucky enough to encounter sharks while diving – something one doesn’t forget in a hurry !!
Agreed! Look forward to email exchanging with you again.
Ok, another story about shark attacks…this is getting so old! Last time I heard, this was a FISHING newsgroup, one that as the name might imply is interested in how fish might be caught, NOT stupid humans being caught by the fish…and with sharks being chondricthes (as opposed to osteicthes–bony fish) I wonder if they officially qualify for discussion anyway. You probably (if not, you need to) have read my opinion on the consequences of tomfoolery which results in such a mess; why the people don’t learn the first time is beyond me. Unless you are suggesting in some lurid way that human chum is an acceptable fishing method, which I certainly would not advocate, I would like it if you could thin out the number of shark attack reports. This is not a tabloid newsgroup. Please help keep it that way. See also Re: Sharks, Re: Reduction in budget for… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am based in Los Angeles but had heard about that awful attack on the couple hanging on the anchor line where the gentleman pushed his newly-wed wife outof the way, and he was taken himself off of Australia. Hi Jim As much as I would love to help you with information I would be unable to put you in touch with the lady in question. The reasons being in the past twelve months she has re-married and also had her first child a month ago. I really think she now has her tramatic experience behind her and is trying to get on with things. That was a very harrowing experience for her, and I can understand how she would want for it to be behind her. However, your friend can take comfort in knowing that her husband really loved her in doing what he did for her. I did a shark dive last year at Nassau, Bahamas with a lady by the name of Heather Boswell. Before Heather attempted to do a shark dive with me for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY show(which was televised throughout the USA on July 13th, 1997), Heather had been attacked by a five meter plus white shark while she was swimming on the ocean surface over a hundred miles offshore of Chile. Heather was swimming with some friends in calm seas off of a NOAA research vessel that they were crewing on. A friend was videotaping them all in the water(and captured the attack on video in the process)when a huge dorsal fin appeared(Heather later indicated that it looked to be at least a meter tall above the water as it approached her). The shark started attacking a gentleman who was sitting upon some type of surfboard. He managed to drive it away by apparently poking the shark in the eye. The shark then turned its attention to Heather who was nearby in the water. Rescuers were trying to reach Heather in an inflatable boat which was dispatched from the larger NOAA vessel. They actually had a hold of her before the shark started to attack Heather. However, because of the sunscreen lotion that Heather was wearing, she slipped through the arms of the one of the rescuers, and the shark grabbed her leg and started to take her down into the depths. It was at that point that Heather felt sure she was going to die according to what she told me and NBC. She just wasn’t sure if she should intake water to drown herself or simply let the shark continue to eat her and die that way. Amazingly, the shark returned Heather to the surface at which point the rescuers were able to grab her again. However, this time the rescuers were in a "tug-of-war" with the shark, and Heather was the "rope". Heather heard a "popping sound"(thinking that her leg was being dislocated)as she broke free. However, once inside the boat, Heather looked down and saw that her leg had been bitten off at mid-thigh(Heather lost a lot of blood and almost died via exsanguination/shock). Meanwhile, the shark must have been very hungry as it started to attack another lady who was desperately trying to pull herself out of the water (using netting which was thrown over the side of the NOAA vessel). However, the lady was overweight and was having a very difficult time getting herself out of the water. At that time, a high-powered rifle was finally deployed to drive the shark away. It is assumed that the shark was killed, but this is not known for sure. I am all for the conservation of shark species worldwide. However, the above situation was an obvious exception. Over a year after the above attack, Heather showed amazing courage by accepting an invitation to shark dive with me in the Bahamas for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY television program. However, once the sharks appeared on scene with us at Nassau, Heather requested to discontinue the dive(understandably so). Nonetheless, her courage for even attempting the dive and the positive attitude that she radiates in her daily life are inspiration to us all. Eco continues about diver(newly-wed couple)who was killed by a white shark off of Australia: One of the US talkback shows contacted her some time back (they were doing a show on tragic widows) and offered to fly her over to appear but she clearly had no desire to go through the events again. Understandably so. I do not have any clearer details of the attack except what I posted. The attack happened at Byron Bay which is considered out of the usual territory of a white pointer (it was in warm water up north). The attack was quick. They saw it on the bottom, her husband pushed her and by the time she managed to turn around she only felt the force of the sharks tail. I’ve forgotton the exact size but from what I can remember it was the max. for the species. A fishing boat did later hook it, it was longer than the boat, and it dragged the boat for miles, it regurgitated some stomach contents and broke free. There was talk of it being a sick/rogue shark due to its location. I am most interested to see if such electronic shark repellent technology could have prevented the above attack. I was the first to test the SharkPOD in the USA(off the coast of Los Angeles for the Discovery Channel, "Next Step" television program which is to be broadcast internationally if it hasn’t been already-it has already been broadcast twice throughout the USA. Ron and Valerie Taylor were the first to test the SharkPOD in Australia. I had met them both in Singapore during the ADEC dive equipment trade show where the SharkPOD was first being released commercially. You’ve met Ron and Val Taylor !!! Now they are shark lovers extraordinaire !!!! That Val Taylor is one brave lady. Amazingly dedicated couple. Yes, I had met both of them and have been in touch with them via email from time to time. I am a fan of their work as well. For more detail on my SharkPOD testing, please access the Honolulu Star- Bulletin Newspaper article which I had appeared in throughout the Hawaiian Islands on December 22, 1997: http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html Sounds really exciting ! I remember seeing a show where they were investigating using some sort of sonar "wall" instead of netting. IE; transmitter placed and one point – receiver at other end further down the coastline to prevent sharks entering the swimming area. They were testing the concept with some sort of sonar wand that repelled the sharks. It was tricky stuff as the shark had to get close enough for them to prod it with the want but it was trying to ascertain whether the idea would work. Do you know of any developments with this?? Not really. But will look into it for you. I am all for anything that helps the sharks and other sea creatures. Our shark nets over here are marine animal death traps. Me too. Did you see my earlier post on how the shark netting program in South Africa was being reduced because of budget cuts to the Natal Sharks Board (which supervises the netting program there)? The Star-Bulletin article was mostly accurate. However, the SharkPOD is not a "sonic" device as the article mistakenly depicts in the opening paragraph. Instead, the SharkPOD emits a continuous, cocooning electrical field which is intended to protect from possible shark attack. I will soon be using another electronic shark repellent technology which is currently being developed in Australia(by another manufacturer)and is being billed as an even more effective electronic repellent than the SharkPOD. I will be using this Australian technology with tiger and grey reef sharks throughout the Hawaiian Islands. Also with tiger, bull and lemon sharks in the Bahamas. And with great white sharks off of Dyer Island, South Africa. Thank you for providing your information. It was very interesting. I have been lucky enough to encounter sharks while diving – something one doesn’t forget in a hurry !! Agreed! Look forward to email exchanging with you again.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Top This One!
OK, so I’m not a purist! Can you top this one though. I was fishing with my father-in-law at a friends two acre pond for bass and bluegill. Now this was the cleanest lake you ever did see due to the huge carp that had been placed in there many years ago. The pond owner was very proud of his carp, some being as much as 3 feet long, and always made sure he told us that he didn’t have to warn us not to catch his carp because they were way to smart to be caught. Many had tried yet all had failed. C’mon, enough with the carp as I stand here with my flyrod in hand. I didn’t care anything at all about catching his carp! Well… as I stood on the bank stripping line and watching the carp cruise near the surface slurping in leaves that had hopelessly fallen into the pond I got an idea. I quickly brought in my fly and reached up and grabbed a leaf off the nearest tree and broke it in half and threaded my fly on to it. Picking the largest carp, about three feet long, I cast the leaf about six feet in front of it and well… you can guess the rest. Wow! Was that fun. My father-in law said I was crazy, yet, I have caught him more than once picking leaves off trees and threading them on when the fishing was slow and the carp were on the prowl. I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law that part yet! TOP THAT!
Last year I was FF at Harper’s Ferry. I caught and reeled in a 5 LB catfish that was dead! Then an hour later I caught another 5 lb catfish (this one was alive). Thanks for your story. I’m sure others will top this! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, so I’m not a purist! Can you top this one though. I was fishing with my father-in-law at a friends two acre pond for bass and bluegill. Now this was the cleanest lake you ever did see due to the huge carp that had been placed in there many years ago. The pond owner was very proud of his carp, some being as much as 3 feet long, and always made sure he told us that he didn’t have to warn us not to catch his carp because they were way to smart to be caught. Many had tried yet all had failed. C’mon, enough with the carp as I stand here with my flyrod in hand. I didn’t care anything at all about catching his carp! Well… as I stood on the bank stripping line and watching the carp cruise near the surface slurping in leaves that had hopelessly fallen into the pond I got an idea. I quickly brought in my fly and reached up and grabbed a leaf off the nearest tree and broke it in half and threaded my fly on to it. Picking the largest carp, about three feet long, I cast the leaf about six feet in front of it and well… you can guess the rest. Wow! Was that fun. My father-in law said I was crazy, yet, I have caught him more than once picking leaves off trees and threading them on when the fishing was slow and the carp were on the prowl. I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law that part yet! TOP THAT!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -OK, so I’m not a purist! Can you top this one though. I was fishing with my father-in-law at a friends two acre pond for bass and bluegill. Now this was the cleanest lake you ever did see due to the huge carp that had been placed in there many years ago. The pond owner was very proud of his carp, some being as much as 3 feet long, and always made sure he told us that he didn’t have to warn us not to catch his carp because they were way to smart to be caught. Many had tried yet all had failed. C’mon, enough with the carp as I stand here with my flyrod in hand. I didn’t care anything at all about catching his carp! Well… as I stood on the bank stripping line and watching the carp cruise near the surface slurping in leaves that had hopelessly fallen into the pond I got an idea. I quickly brought in my fly and reached up and grabbed a leaf off the nearest tree and broke it in half and threaded my fly on to it. Picking the largest carp, about three feet long, I cast the leaf about six feet in front of it and well… you can guess the rest. Wow! Was that fun. My father-in law said I was crazy, yet, I have caught him more than once picking leaves off trees and threading them on when the fishing was slow and the carp were on the prowl. I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law that part yet! TOP THAT!
I believe I can… December 15th on the Kilchis River on the northern coast of Oregon. It’s 33 degrees and raining, a typical Oregon winters day. A friend of mine and a couple of his brothers were fishing for Chinook. Rick, being a guy that always likes a challenge, was using 12lb test. Rick hooked a very large hen on a red corkie. The fight was on. Rick fought the fish for about 25 minutes when his line broke at the rod tip. Thinking fast, Rick grabbed a rod from his brother and preceded to cast at the line trailing the fish that stayed in the pool. He finally "snagged" the line and tied it to the "new" line. Rick fought this fish for another 20 minutes. Finally, in a last ditch effort on the fishes part, the fish barreled down river about 30 yards only to beach itself on a gravel bar midstream. Now I wouldn’t have beleived this part if I wasn’t there to see it, but Rick jumped into the water fully clothed, swam to the gravel bar and dove onto the fish just as it was about to slip back into the water. The fish weighed out at 56lbs! I think THAT TOPS IT! Bob Crossley
I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law that part yet! TOP THAT!
BAIT SLINGER!!!! hehe luv chipper
snipped to fit: and the carp were on the prowl. I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law that part yet! TOP THAT!
_______CARP love willow leaves. Especially the ones with headaches. 
Mr. G. (In the Top Hat)
: snipped to fit: : and the carp were on the prowl. I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It : takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law : that : part yet! TOP THAT! : : Just last night at a local Flyfishing club meeting, I heard the same thing from Jim Davidson who worte an article on flyfishing for carp in one of the magazines last year, He did the same thing with leaves of a different variety in our Olentangy River. When you do this, make sure put it right under the carp’s nose or he won’t take it. So somebody else has figured out the same trick! ;-} — Jon Porter
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snipped to fit: and the carp were on the prowl. I’ve caught half a dozen myself now. It takes a specific variety of leaf though. Havn’t told my father-in law that part yet! TOP THAT! _______CARP love willow leaves. Especially the ones with headaches. Mr. G. (In the Top Hat)
Hmmm… Seems like a Hamills Killer fished as a dry would make a pretty good leaf imitation. Bruce….
I can’t really top that, though I would add that I have caught several 7-8 lb carp on huckleberries when that’s what they were eating – kind of "match the hatch." This was on a heavy bass spinning outfit. I like your idea and will try this summer with flyrod.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » southbend bamboo flyrod
I have a South Bend bamboo 9′ rod( 2-tips) with only the markings of 57-9′ on it. Can anyone tell me what the 57 means and what weight the rod is. Thanks,
I have a South Bend bamboo 9′ rod( 2-tips) with only the markings of 57-9′ on it. Can anyone tell me what the 57 means and what weight the rod is. Thanks,
From my limited knowledge, I belive the 57 refers to the rod’s taper and quality ranking within the South Bend family of rods. The 57 was a low to medium priced rod with South Bend’s Bass Action (fast action). If there are no marking or decals on the rod itself (possibly removed in a prior refinish), its difficult to determine much more. — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides page http://www.olfart.com
The "57" indicates that is, in-fact, a model 57 and the 9, well, you guessed it, it’s a 9 footer! The 57 was a "bass action" rod and was at the low end of the South Bend line. With a little more info such as reelseat type, grip type, ferrule type and wrap color the date of the rod could be narrowed down a bit. Dave
I have a South Bend bamboo 9′ rod( 2-tips) with only the markings of 57-9′ on it. Can anyone tell me what the 57 means and what weight the rod is. Thanks,
The "57" refers to the model number (Model 57). I would guess that it would take a 7 or 8 weight line. –Rich
In regards to the South Bend 57-9. It was their lowest quality level rod. It should cast a 7 or 8 weight line well and is worth about $50.00.
In regards to the South Bend 57-9. It was their lowest quality level rod. It should cast a 7 or 8 weight line well and is worth about $50.00.
I have a 59 -9′ Southbend Bamboo Rod (was my Dad’s) /w Pfluger reel, I would like to restore it. I have both tips. some snake guides are missing. any info?????
writes: In regards to the South Bend 57-9. It was their lowest quality level rod. It should cast a 7 or 8 weight line well and is worth about $50.00. I have a 59 -9′ Southbend Bamboo Rod (was my Dad’s) /w Pfluger reel, I would like to restore it. I have both tips. some snake guides are missing. any info?????
Buy a copy of Michael Sinclair’s "Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook" for $25.00 (US) – ISBN #1-882418-11-5 As for Snake guides, Try to find Perfection snakes, they’ll match the originals, but I’ve been told that Perfection has converted over to a new mfg. process and has had delivery problems. Order an Angler’s Workshop catalog for a good selection of silk thread, both Godebrod and YLI (sold as Angler’s brand). A.W. # — (360) 225-9445 Don B. PS – I’m looking for smaller size Perfection guides (smaller than #2’s) if anyone has them for sale – please e-mail me.
I just inherited a South Bend bamboo rod, rod #323, 9′ length. The rod has a cloth bag, and is a three-piece with an extra tip section. Can anybody give me an idea how old the rod is, what the rod might be worth, and what line weight might be best? A couple of the ferrules are loose, but other than that everything seems fine. Can I just epoxy the ferrules, or should I give the rod a more thorough refinishing? Ed Heist College Station, TX (140 miles northeast of one of several Guadalupe Rivers)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just inherited a South Bend bamboo rod, rod #323, 9′ length. The rod has a cloth bag, and is a three-piece with an extra tip section. Can anybody give me an idea how old the rod is, what the rod might be worth, and what line weight might be best? A couple of the ferrules are loose, but other than that everything seems fine. Can I just epoxy the ferrules, or should I give the rod a more thorough refinishing? Ed Heist College Station, TX (140 miles northeast of one of several Guadalupe Rivers)
Ed, Try this url: http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm Also, buy a copy of Michael Sinclair’s "Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook" a great book for do-it-yourself production bamboo rod restorations. If you try to remove the ferrules, look for small pins holding them on! Don
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Reel » Video
I live in Illinois—not exactly the fly fishing capital of the world—and I’m planning a trip out west (Yellowstone, Grand Tetons, Black Hills) in August. I’ve never been fly fishing, but I’m determined to give it a try. I’m getting a basic Orvis Clearwater rod and reel, but I have no idea how to use it. Does anyone know if there is a video that teaches basic fly fishing techniques, basic info about the types of flies you should use in what conditions, etc.? Any information about where I might find such a video would Dan Simeone (PHONE) 217-333-0850 Station Manager (FAX) 217-333-7151 University of Illinois
Try Orvis’ "Fly Fishing School". It’s an eighty minute video for about $20.00 and covers just about all you would need to know.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Kayaking Accident (from Sea Kayaker)
done some diving from a kayak, and have found the following to be true: 1. You must make sure that your fins are secured in the boat. Most sink and will be of no use to you at the bottom of the sea. 2. You often need two hands to put fins on. If you don’t attach yourself to the boat and are still in a situation where it seems advantageous to be with your boat, this can be a problem. Additionally, if you don’t wear the booties you use with your fins, they are probably of little or no use. Fins that fit improperly are painful, at best, and frequently of little use.
A company call Caddis makes fins for float-tube fisherman. They float and fit any size shoes, booties, etc. You can probably find them at your local fly fishing store. — -Wayne Trzyna
1. You must make sure that your fins are secured in the boat. Most sink and will be of no use to you at the bottom of the sea.
A company called Caddis makes fins for float tube fisherman. The fins float and fit any shoes. booties, etc. You can probably find them at your local fly fishing store. — -Wayne Trzyna
I can’t help but think that a pair of fins stowed in your sea kayak would be a tremendous safety feature. Anyone who has used fins can testify that they are a HUGE advantage when swimming. Do any of you sea kayakers carry them?
Doug, I’ve considered this myself at times. I scuba as well as kayak, and have even done some diving from a kayak, and have found the following to be true: 1. You must make sure that your fins are secured in the boat. Most sink and will be of no use to you at the bottom of the sea. 2. You often need two hands to put fins on. If you don’t attach yourself to the boat and are still in a situation where it seems advantageous to be with your boat, this can be a problem. Additionally, if you don’t wear the booties you use with your fins, they are probably of little or no use. Fins that fit improperly are painful, at best, and frequently of little use. 3. Fins are still of little use in a strong current. What they provide in power, they cost in energy. I have seen many divers grow fatigued and give up after kicking under 100 yards against a slow current. They seemed to think the fins gave them enough power to overcome anything and never took the time to learn about currents and how to avoid same. If the distance is great, it is certainly wiser to find the way to cross the current than it is to don fins and swim directly into its teeth. 4. Preparing for cold water immersion is worth more than all the additional equipment you can carry. If you have your warmth, you don’t need to swim great distances or fight currents because you can wait for rescue. This means that you should make someone aware of your activities and location, that you should set a "drop dead" time, after which this person contacts the coast guard or relevant rescue agency, and that you should do your best to stay visible (more on these issues when I post the next article – I’ve just got to remember to bring in the magazine – there is also a discussion on fins in there too, but I don’t remember their conclusions – these comments are wholly my own). Anyway, it seems to me that if you are forced to swim, recognizing currents and avoiding them will be of more benefit. Fins can be a useful backup, but as always, if you are going to use them, practice. If you lose the fins when the boat capsizes or when you are trying to put them on in heavy conditions, you may find yourself in a nasty situation, especially if you are counting on them to get you to shore. Rick
Hello, everyone, although somewhat edited for brevity, the following is a description of an accident (in Coos bay) and two incidents that (in Kalaloch Beach – part of Olympic National Park in Wash.) we should all take note of. Everything in quotes is taken directly from the article.
Thanks for posting this. I think we all need a reminder from time to time. Nature is way bigger than we are…..
I can’t help but think that a pair of fins stowed in your sea kayak would be a tremendous safety feature. Anyone who has used fins can testify that they are a HUGE advantage when swimming. Do any of you sea kayakers carry them?
Hello, everyone, although somewhat edited for brevity, the following is a description of an accident (in Coos bay) and two incidents that (in Kalaloch Beach – part of Olympic National Park in Wash.) we should all take note of. Everything in quotes is taken directly from the article. "Eric Konheim, 27, died on June 12, 1991, while kayak surfing alone…. Eric was a skilled kayaker, proud of his ability to roll and to read moving water… In 1987, Eric bought a folding sea kayak and began taking trips, including a 450-mile expedition along the Gulf Coast from Belize to Cancun, Mexico. He also paddled in the Sea of Cortez, the Bahamas, and along the coast of Venezuela. In 1988, he took a river kayaking class in Colorado and bought a white-water kayak. He kayaked many white-water rivers and was a commercial raft guide." … Eric’s companion was feeling ill and decided not to go out with him to do some kayak surfing in his Prijon T-Slalom kayak. Although this was a surfing accident, going in and out of surf is something we sea kayakers MUST do every time we go out, so don’t think ‘this can’t happen to me.’ It CAN. Enough commentary. "After telling Dave he would surf only for a short while, Eric went out alone at about 4 p.m. Dave took a nap and woake about a half hour later. He began looking for Eric and around 5 p.m. found his friend’s kayak floating in the surf. Unable to find Eric, he called for help." Eric was found at 6 p.m. by a Coast Guard Chopper (these guys don’t get enough credit – it’s too bad that they can only pick up the pieces afterward). He was 150 yards off short (an easy swim for someone who swam competitively, you may say, but I swam in college and done some open water swimming in strong currents. Believe me,150 yards can be a very LONG swim!). He was wearing: "a helmet, a PFD with a whistle and knife attached, a neoprene spray skirt, a pull-over pile jacket, and a long sleeve paddle jacket. Eric’s kayak and paddle were found in good condition. He had not worn either his wet suit or his dry suit, though he had both with him in his van. Eric knew about hypothermia: he had had EMT training and river guide training." … "The official cause of death listed on the medical examiner’s report is "asphyxia by drowning, immersion hyperthermia." This is reasonable considering the water temperature was 50-53 degrees Fahrenheit, and Eric was tall and thin and was not wearing much thermal protection. HIs core temper- ature was 73 degrees." The author points out that Eric (though wearing a helmet) may have been knocked out by his paddle. "I once broke the aluminum shaft of a sturdy white-water paddle while getting pitch poled…The water was deep, the paddle hit nothing but water. The smooth curve left in the broken shaft proved there were no defects in the paddle. An engineering analysis later showed it took more than 200 pounts of force to break that paddle. If it had hit my head with that force… who knows?" In any case, this article brings out some interesting and notable points. If you do go out alone, please take all the cold water immersion protection you can. It’s really easy to cool off by doing a roll, but it just ain’t so easy to get warm. The other two stories are about currents. Both kayakers found themselves in the water 75 or more yards from shore. The first was wearing "a 1/8 inch farmer john-style wet suit, a PFD, neoprene spray skirt, helmet, and watersport sandals….I began swimming for the beach with both hands on the stern of my boat. After a while, it appeared my effort had been wasted; I was no closer to the beach." He lost a float bag from the kayak and it did a Cleopatra’s Needle when it filled, so he finally abandoned the boat. He found the surf conditions too rough for reentry. He tried to use his paddle to propel himself, but gave up after some fruitless effort. By this time, 40 minutes has passed and he is still no closer to shore. He believes that he didn’t realize he was caught in a rip current because his thinking was impaired by cold water shock. Finally, he began swimming cross-current and made his way back to shore once he exited the current. The good news is that he had been seen by a "couple on the beach," who called for help. The coast guard had responded, but he managed to get out before they arrived. Same story, same place, different person. Bill "had once played in a rip current…and he had been out in ocean swells…but this was his first time kayaking in ocean surf. Bill didn’t have a roll, but the though he could perform a self rescue or swim to shore if he capsized. Bill is a strong, formerly competitive, swimmer with SCUBA diving experience. He is very com- fortable in and around the water. His kayak had front and rear bulkheads…He wore a 1/4-inch-thick, full wet suit" (his scuba suit) "polypropylene long underwear, neoprene tooties, a neoprene diver’s hood, a paddling jacket, and a PFD." He also had a bilge pump, paddle float, and some flares. Bill was separated from his kayak by the heavy surf (8 foot breakers). "He tried in vain to re-enter the kayak using a paddle-float outrigger…He could only get half way in before another wave would hit and knock him over. After 10 minutes of unsuccessful self-rescue attempts, he realized he and his kayak were drifing dangerously close to the rocks." He fired a flare and watched a beachcombers pointed at the pretty color and resumed their activities. I guess flares only work if people understand what they are for. Bill finally decided it was time to part ways with his kayak. "He retrieved his paddle and the paddle float and began swimming toward shore with the paddle float under his chest. After about a half hour of swimming, he realized he was losing ground." See, not even we good swimmers can out swim a current. "He was about 300 yards from shore and quickly became exhausted…He had one thing in his favor: his 1/4-inch-thick wetsuit was keeping him warm." He "began body surfing toward shore for all he was worth. While swimming a crawl stroke with the paddle was unproductive, by holding it against his chest, he discovered the waves would push it and carry him toward shore. (An experienced paddler told me that he has used his paddle to advantage while swimming in surf, but unlike others I’ve talked to, he uses the paddle while swimming backstroke. His technique is similar to back paddling a kayak). Bill found he could steer across the waves by shifting the paddle in his hands. Using the paddle this way let him angle away from the rocks." "Lessons Learned: While the first paddler became chilled and possibly hypo- thermic in his 1/8 inch farmer john wet suit, Bill’s 1/4 inch thick full suit, booties, and hood actually kept him too warm! Soon after reaching shore, Bill removed some of his wet-suit clothing to cool off. In the water, Bill worried only about exhaustion and the rocks… In my experience, 1/8 inch thick Farmer John wet suits are not adequate protection for prolonged immersion in 50- degree water." This was all printed without permission, however, I feel safety is more important than copywrites. Everyone who goes kayaking should learn to roll. These two stories should let you know just how helpless a kayaker is in 50 degree water when currents are strong. The very gear you must wear to protect you from becoming hypothermic will make you a very weak (but bouyant) swimmer. You must use other methods of getting in and out of heavy conditions. If you must, leave the boat. It does provide a lot of bouyancy, but if you don’t have more than an hour of cold water protection, you’ve got to get going quickly. Don’t waste time waiting for help, you are your own best defense against accident. Well enough diatribe. If you wish, I will post other safety articles from Sea Kayaker when it comes out. Rick