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I’m in for that! john What’s the math?

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Sounds interesting.  I’d watch.  Count me in. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior?

Well, that was an interesting post whether I go or not.  But it the $10 just to see the video, or to *buy* the video?

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Off hand Jef, I’d say we are talking about a man bringing down his presentation. Not really a money making proposition for him, but something that must be done by the plebes. I reckon we could throw in a good feed, with all of the trailers he is sure to find luxurious accommodations, and such recreational activity as might suit the situation……

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i’ll be there making shadow animals on the big screen       Handyman           Mike

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Mike writes: i’ll be there making shadow animals on the big screen      Handyman

and I’ll pay money to see that, as well!                          Tom

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why impose restrictions on this guy which we don’t ask of the rest of the crowd?                              Tom

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I wish I could make it to the Clave to see it. Could you talk to this guy about selling copies for those interested in seeing it that can’t attend the clave? Tim Apple

Tim, I do not believe that OZ sells videos, he gives presentations using footage that he has filmed. Dave

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Well, that was an interesting post whether I go or not.  But it the $10 just to see the video, or to *buy* the video?

Jeff, There is NO video for sale, I would have purchased both if available! The $10 per-person cost of attending this presentation is a "guess-timate" that I am using for this survey. The actual per-person cost will be determined by taking Ozzie’s invoice and dividing that by the number of attendees. you guys will enjoy this! Dave

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I’d like to see that. vince norris

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The $10 per-person cost of attending this presentation is a "guess-timate" that I am using for this survey. The actual per-person cost will be determined by taking Ozzie’s invoice and dividing that by the number of attendees.

Dave, I’m still planning on attending along with Jim Lafley.  We would be very interested in this if you can pull it off. –Stan

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Well, sounds to me like you had better get a figure from what’s his name and start taking the fair share from those who claim they’ll be there. john you’ll need a new thread….

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I’m in for that! john What’s the math?

John, awaiting an email response back… if no email by Jan 3rd 2002 I will call him. Dave

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Dave, I’m still planning on attending along with Jim Lafley.  We would be very interested in this if you can pull it off. –Stan

Stan, the concept was received favorably by the gentleman that gives the presentation… awaiting response as to availability and cost.  I am hoping that he brings his underwater photography equipment.  Sure would be interesting to see what a Penns Creek Diving Club roffian looks like underwater.  :-) Dave

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Well, sounds to me like you had better get a figure from what’s his name and start taking the fair share from those who claim they’ll be there. john you’ll need a new thread….

John, when this gets rolling I will be counting on you to give me a hand.  For whatever reasons lately, access to this NG has been unreliable through my ISP.  We will need to determine a specific date and time (your job), and; location (my job) for the presentation. Thank you in advance for your assistance.  :-) Dave

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me, too. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …ditto…  of course, depends when and where the show is held?  they serve a nice yeungling draft and plentiful evening buffet at the sportsman’s club on lower penn’s creek – but i don’t know if they have a room for it… jeff This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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And me.   Dave

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…ditto…  of course, depends when and where the show is held?  they serve a nice yeungling draft and plentiful evening buffet at the sportsman’s club on lower penn’s creek – but i don’t know if they have a room for it… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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count me in                        Tom L

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count me in                       Tom L

and me Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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count me in                       Tom L and me Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

me too…. –walt, i’ll make popcorn <g

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I wish I could make it to the Clave to see it. Could you talk to this guy about selling copies for those interested in seeing it that can’t attend the clave? Tim Apple

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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   I wonder if the ironing bit is just precaution  or from experience in dealing with some  customers.

Probably experience unfortunately. . . .<g — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product? Willi

I feel for you.  I tore a couple of big holes in my new breathables (in the thigh) back in June.  I have some big patches and blobs of Aquaseal on them which although unsightly (not as unsightly as the wearer) do the job.  I’m really intrigued by the sunpatch<sp? you referred to in an earlier post.  I missed most of a day of fishing waiting for the Aquaseal to harden (and I did use the Cotol accelerant). I doubt there’s any product that can retreat Goretex (or the other breathable membrane products).  Goretex is a thin membrane with really small holes in it.  Any treatment would just clog the holes.  You’re best bet is to find the big holes and fill them up with some kind of goo. I have heard about a treatment product (Nik Wax?) that can be used on the outer surface of things like jackets.  This is applied to the outer layer (nylon, Cordura) to help shed water.   I have reservations about using that on things that are supposed to be breathable – they might help water shedding, but would also block vapor flow.  I would be really reluctant to use such a product on waders. –Stan

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SunPatch has worked great for me, almost instant set in the sun. Unfortunately, last Monday night camping in the backcountry, I poked a hole in my Thermarest pad with a feed through needle knot tool tying on a new leader set up for a friend.  It was 38 degrees, not good for sleeping directly on cold ground after a hard day.  SunPatch may have worked great but will not set/cure ever until put in sun light.  In the future I am carrying both, SunPatch and Aquaseal. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product? Willi I feel for you.  I tore a couple of big holes in my new breathables (in the thigh) back in June.  I have some big patches and blobs of Aquaseal on them which although unsightly (not as unsightly as the wearer) do the job.  I’m really intrigued by the sunpatch<sp? you referred to in an earlier post. I missed most of a day of fishing waiting for the Aquaseal to harden (and I did use the Cotol accelerant). I doubt there’s any product that can retreat Goretex (or the other breathable membrane products).  Goretex is a thin membrane with really small holes in it.  Any treatment would just clog the holes.  You’re best bet is to find the big holes and fill them up with some kind of goo. I have heard about a treatment product (Nik Wax?) that can be used on the outer surface of things like jackets.  This is applied to the outer layer (nylon, Cordura) to help shed water.   I have reservations about using that on things that are supposed to be breathable – they might help water shedding, but would also block vapor flow.  I would be really reluctant to use such a product on waders. –Stan

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look for "Tech Wash" by NikWax. The back label reads: "…gently removes dirt. Residue free, non detergent soap protects water repellancy of all breathable fabrics". I boat my wife a goretex coat a couple of years back and this was what the specialist shop recommened be used. They told me water repellancy is degraded when goretex gets dirty. As far as I understand goretex is a waterproof membrane as opposed to other products that are coatings applied to nylon or polyester.

I’ll have to try that.  I usually just use Shout, but I don’t know if that helps protect water repellancy.  BTW, you are correct about the Gore-Tex just being a membrane.  It is sandwiched between a few layers of fabric because the actual Gore-Tex layer is very thin and is kind of like working with a piece of saran wrap. — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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look for "Tech Wash" by NikWax. The back label reads: "…gently removes dirt. Residue free, non detergent soap protects water repellancy of all breathable fabrics". I boat my wife a goretex coat a couple of years back and this was what the specialist shop recommened be used. They told me water repellancy is degraded when goretex gets dirty. As far as I understand goretex is a waterproof membrane as opposed to other products that are coatings applied to nylon or polyester. — RalphH

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—– Original Message —– I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product?

Two things that might be of interest here Willi.  Some people were asking about cleaning waders so here is that info.  I tried getting it the other day, but Simms website was down.  If you want to check out the website, just click on the technologies menu and then Gore-Tex fabric.  At the bottom of that page are a bunch of questions.  Click on them to get the answers. "For your Simms/Gore-Tex Waders: Use a pre-wash treatment, such as Shout. Clean waders, either in the bathtub or in the machine on gentle (in cold water). Allow to dry completely. Some stains, such as fly dressings or sap, may be untreatable, but will not affect the breathability of the product. For Gore-Tex Rainwear: Use a pre-wash treatment (such as Shout

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A fellow (Bill) from the local FF club writes an outdoor column for one of the newspapers around here.  He tells me that his friend (Gary) is a surf FF guide and invites me along for a trip to the beach last Saturday. A trip which is going to turn into a photo op and inspiation for an article.   I go to Gary’s web site (www.garybulla.com) and there is a recipe for a fly he suggests I tie up for our few hours in the surf.  It’s called a gremmie and it’s basically a saltwater version of a marabou crappie jig.   It looks incredibly simple but I’m not gonna argue – I tie up a couple of them along with a pair of Blanton Whistlers (www.danblanton.com) as Gary suggested and we meet up at the beach. *What are we expecting to catch?*   *Oh, Halibut.* *Halibut, this time of the year?*   *People don’t seem to realize that they can.* OK.  Ever since I moved to California I’ve been trying to get as much info as possible about the local fishing scene, epecially saltwater since I’d been landlocked for so many years.  I bought books, fishing rags, talked to guys at tackle shops, bait stores, boat landings.  Halibut are supposedly a summer fish.  They can be especially close to the beach during a grunion run.  Typically they can be found in the calmer water beyond the waves so being able to heave a 6 oz sinker with a pendulum cast on a surf stick out to the third gut would be helpful. Halibut are bottom feeders so even if you were to try to fly fish for them from a kayak out in deeper water or inside protected water like a bay, you’ll need a super fast sinking line which you will basically be dragging or jigging along the bottom.  Halibut are light biters so when fishing with bait let them eat the anchovy, give plenty of time, wait and then wait some more, use a circle hook blah blah blah. Well, last Saturday proved to be the exception to everything in the previous paragraph.  Not only did I see two halibut being caught on the beach with fast swimming flies, including one which was very easily over the legal minimum of 22 inches, I hooked and lost one at my feet.  On top of that, I saw a halibut jump about 3 feet out of the water for some mysterious reason.  It was a few yards in front of Bill so at first I though maybe he had hooked it.  But no, it was a free swimming fish.   Even more outrageous (at least to me) is that Gary caught a white sea bass.  These fish are supposed to be very rare in the inshore waters and it always makes the printed news when someone catches one off the beach.   Plus, it’s February!  On the far end of the beach were some bait fishermen who had set up long surfcasting rods. *Do those guys ever catch fish?*   *Sometimes.  But never as many as we do.* You ever stumble upon something that most everyone else seems to be unaware of?  I feel like a high school kid who knows that the geeky girl that all my friends think is a dork, is going to end up being a bombshell come reunion time. It’s been raining the past couple of days.  But i can’t wait to get back out there and start discovering more cracks in the conventional wisdom. For another surprise check out this picture of an LA bonefish: www.garybulla.com/images/surfpix/pages/surf10.htm Mu salty nuts be damned

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For another surprise check out this picture of an LA bonefish: www.garybulla.com/images/surfpix/pages/surf10.htm

That photo’s hilarious. I’ll bet that little sucker fought like a 3-lb trout. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Well that’s not terribly expensive – I would recommend the 4 pc rod over the 2 pc. The higher resale valve will make up for the additional cost and it’s so much easier if you get a chance to do some traveling. The casting action on the 4 pc VPS is virtually the same on the 2 and 4 pc. The DS series is considerably slower action that the RPL / VPS series – I have cast both. Also the resale valve is considerably lower percent wise. Most everyone I know that purchased a DS outgrow it within a year or so. FYI: I normally fish RPLX rods (8wt & up) , to me the RPL/VPS is slower, but still very castable and able to shoot line, where the DS is too slow and unable to shoot line.

I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP –  I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage.  It’s a nice rod, and  can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer.  Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

They want a little over $400 for a combo.  They give you a nice reel setup with backing and WF-F fly line, usually higher quality.   But then for the same action I was checking into the DS series rods, looks line the same rod action of med-fast, but at about $290 for the combo.  I am leaning towards the Sage more and more. One good thing (if you need the money), I start working 7 days a week in two weeks, so after I work two or three of them, I’ll have the money to buy either one if I want and still be able to feed the family. –Randy

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… I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods.

Why ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Okay, I’m thinking about a new rod.  I stopped at my local shop today and checked out a few rods.  I’ve determined after talking with the guy there, I want a 5 weight for the different fishing I do, mainly smallmouth and trout. I have narrowed down to the following: a Sage DSL series , a Scott (whatever series), a step up to a Sage VSP series, or going to a different shop and getting a Orvis Silver label series rod.  I am not in a hurry since I will only start working 7 days a week in a few weeks (I’ll have the money after one or two weeks of this).     I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. –Randy

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   I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods.

Sage has a pretty hefty markup on their rods, IMO.  But, it seems to me the VSP is one of the best "values" (this term might be hotly debated by Mike Connor  Their rep was telling me how just a few years ago it was a top-of-the-line rod (used to be the RPL I think?)  Technology marches on and the price goes down.  Is it all of a sudden not such a good rod?  Of course not.  I preferred that rod’s action over the SP, but that’s just personal preference, and reasonable as far as Sage goes.  BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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… I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Why ?

Exactly. No one can tell what you like. You have to try them and decide what you want, and then post your opinion and your reasons if you like. It’s not like buying a used car. I’m sure any of those rods would do the job. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet…though If I could find a ‘gothic’ looking rod, I just might be able to interest my oldest daughter in fly fishing, I don’t think I seen black waders yet.

Randy, the keyword here is finial. I don’t think anybody is being so crude that they would suggest that you’re a golfer.     Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Sage has a pretty hefty markup on their rods, IMO.  But, it seems to me the VSP is one of the best "values" (this term might be hotly debated by Mike Connor  Their rep was telling me how just a few years ago it was a top-of-the-line rod (used to be the RPL I think?)  Technology marches on and the price goes down.  Is it all of a sudden not such a good rod?  Of course not.  I preferred that rod’s action over the SP, but that’s just personal preference, and reasonable as far as Sage goes.  BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking

Maybe I should just get another ultra-light spinning outfit and one of those fly fishing shooting head attachments… ROFLOL BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet…though If I could find a ‘gothic’ looking rod, I just might be able to interest my oldest daughter in fly fishing, I don’t think I seen black waders yet. –Randy — Under  40……yet!

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… I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Why ? — Ken Fortenberry

        oh, the profundity! wayno

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BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet..

        well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30. wayno, just keeping the record straight

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BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet.. well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30.

wayno, does miniature golf count? –Randy – the crowd goes crazy, as he sinks a hole in one as the ball goes over the bridge at the water fall, then under the prop of the wind mill into the pipe on the left and comes out into the cup…..

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Wayno writes: well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30.

As is often the case, Wayne is correct here, Randy. Golf is a game best learned before the teens, abandoned in one’s early twenties as a sport for old farts. When one achieves the latter status, one can resume the sport. This oncoming of old fart status can,however, occur at various ages, thus it is that some never give the game up at all.                       all in good fun,                           Tom Littleton

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I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP –  I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage.  It’s a nice rod, and  can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer.  Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

Okay, I’m thinking about a new rod.  I stopped at my local shop today and checked out a few rods.  I’ve determined after talking with the guy there, I want a 5 weight for the different fishing I do, mainly smallmouth and trout. I have narrowed down to the following: a Sage DSL series , a Scott (whatever series), a step up to a Sage VSP series, or going to a different shop and getting a Orvis Silver label series rod.  I am not in a hurry since I will only start working 7 days a week in a few weeks (I’ll have the money after one or two weeks of this).     I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. –Randy

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I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP –  I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage.  It’s a nice rod, and  can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer.  Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

They want a little over $400 for a combo.  They give you a nice reel setup with backing and WF-F fly line, usually higher quality.   But then for the same action I was checking into the DS series rods, looks line the same rod action of med-fast, but at about $290 for the combo.  I am leaning towards the Sage more and more. One good thing (if you need the money), I start working 7 days a week in two weeks, so after I work two or three of them, I’ll have the money to buy either one if I want and still be able to feed the family. –Randy

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at about 10 am on saturday, matt called me from the shop to let me know his guided trip was cancelled. it was sleeting/snowing and the outside temp. was about 28. we decided it was perfect weather to go fishing. so we got together, geared up, and headed over to tn to fish the tailwaters on the watauga. after a lunch stop at jeff miller’s favorite burger franchise, we headed to the parking area, put waders on and made our way down to the river. the watauga river at this stretch is about 40 to 50 yards wide with an awesome cliff face acting as the opposite bank. there is a water-level cave in the cliff face that as legend goes, was used by the confederates to hide ammo and stores in the recent unpleasantness. as we approached the water, a few other anglers were pulling out, explaining as they went that the water was going to be coming up from the generating station 12 miles east of where we were and it would get pretty hairy if you were out in the river. i asked one of the guys what kind of increase, and he pointed to his chest…in other words, about 3′ of higher water. well hell, we decided to stay close to shore (mama didn’t raise a fool) and try our luck. i tied on a bead-head pheasant tail, size 14 and started dead drifting it through a run and picked up a 12" or so rainbow. i noticed that i was now standing in about 2 feet of water where before it was only about a foot. i checked a rock that i was keeping an eye on, and sure enough, water was starting to flow over it. i hailed matt and told him we better move back some and as he was pulling in his contraption (for lack of a better term for the established guide rig) a rainbow took one of the many flies he was drifting. another gentleman, who was downstream from us, made his way up towards us and we all entered into discussion about what a great strech of river it was and how much higher the water would rise. neal was fishing a beautiful leonard bamboo rod with a princess reel, awesome. he was testing a new crane-fly pattern that he had tied up. as we were just standing in 6 or so inches of water trying to decide what to do about the riskier conditions, i started dead drifting again. bam, a fish. bam, another, fish. as matt was talking about leaving, bam, another fish. to hell with leaving….i say. the river had come up (a foot or two), the water was faster, but it was definetly fishable. here we were, just the three of us, on the most coveted trophy section of the watauga tail-race. cool. to shorten the story….many more fish were caught (matt even managed a big rainbow at about 18-20), some regal (pabst) beer was consumed, and afterwords, it only took 3 hours for my feet to thaw. walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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So how far is it from Raleigh to the Watauga? Steve Zimmerman

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About 5.5 hours, Steve, if the weather’s OK and I-40/85 doesn’t have more than 10 wrecks in the construction zones between Durham and Hwy 421. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -.. So how far is it from Raleigh to the Watauga? Steve Zimmerman excellent trip report snipped… walt

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playing the fish I was shocked to discover a Channel Catfish (~3 lbs.) on the end of my line!!  I have never seen a catfish take a fly, but was even more astounded that it had taken a dry fly!!

Thanks for the post David.From another flatlander.I too am adicted to bluegills on a 3-weight.(you can’t have too many good 3-weight rods.)I enjoy taking catfish on my 3-weight rods, but have not been able to figure out how to do it on a more than once in a while basis and then seldom on the surface.My experience is that they are hell  on leaders, but who cares after a 20 minute fight? Big Dale PS My latest 3 weight Scott purchased from E-Bay was delivered by the postman yesterday. I had a good  visit with the postman who is another flyfisherman. Should be on my favorite bluegill pond about daybreak to check out the new rod.

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which I am only able to read. So maybe you can tell us… Which came first?

I am sure Indian Joe will be able to give first hand knowledge to George. God would’nt you like to be a fly on the wall at that event!!!!! Big Dale

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Lurking for 4 years!!??  Man, you must have the patience of a saint to stay out of some of these threads.  This past Tuesday I returned from a 7 day trip to Alaska, to find over 1,000 posts accumulated here on ROFF….I read most of them. (certain people on here are always worth reading)  After reading, it once again became clear to me why I am still here after nearly 5 years, this damned NG is not only enlightening, but entertaining as well.  If you want or need a comparison with a similar to that group too for more than 5 years.  This is a ‘moderated’ group, with the listowner who controls the content, ie: no flame wars, keep the to dress up, put on my Sunday best and behave while I’m there.  Over here, HA!  just amble on in wearing nothing but my boxers and a 3 day it’s just that this motley bunch has much more to offer in the way of entertainment value.  To quote our Mr G…"God, I love this place!" — Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

|Greetings.  I have been lurking in this group for about 4 years, but |have been completely satisfied with just reading the different posts. |Now I am ready to join in the melee with a report of my own. | |Being a flatlander my main quarry is the largemouth bass and the |bluegill, and the other night (after work) I felt the need to bend a |rod.  I went to a local farm pond to catch a few bluegill.  I grabbed |my trusty 3 wt. and the appropriate boxes of flies to go after some |wary bluegill.  I tied on a sponge spider and immediately caught |several bluegill.  I decided to change flies and selected a Madame X |to see if I could entice more bluegill to jump on my line. | |Imagine my surprise when my rod almost came out of my hands.  Before I |knew what was happening my rod was bent over and my pile of slack line |was beginning to disappear!  I knew I had a larger fish and figured it |was a bass.  The problem was I didn’t know how big and whether, or |not, it would break my 1.5 pound tippet.  After 20 minutes, or so, of |playing the fish I was shocked to discover a Channel Catfish (~3 lbs.) |on the end of my line!!  I have never seen a catfish take a fly, but |was even more astounded that it had taken a dry fly!! | |I guess it just goes to show that fly fishing is always an adventure. |BTW, the bluegill action continued until dark once I got over the |shock of catching the catfish. | |David R. Felter |"The mind is like a parachute.  It doesn’t work if it’s not opened." |

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Love it! I have seen and caught catfish on a fly – nymph fished extremely slow on the bottom though.  It is a rare occurrence.

During the whitefly hatch in July and August on the Susquehanna river, catching catfish on drys and emergers is fairly common, although I have never caught one of the big cats I know are in the river when fishing on the surface.  After a while you can tell the difference between a catfish rise and a smallmouth rise and target either species.  The catfish fight more like an old tire – no match for the smallies. Mark Faulkner

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Lurking for 4 years!!??  Man, y

Frank, did ya catch any in AK? –Walt

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I have been using the Madame X tied in black on a size 10 hook in late summer and early fall for the past several years. It is *very* effective on trout from early September until the first hard frost. I think it represents a cricket, but it might just be an attactor. I havn’t tried it on warmwater fish, but I suspect it would be deadly on bass and sunfish. George Adams

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Lurking for 4 years!!??  Man, you must have the patience of a saint to stay out of some of these threads.  

<snipped It has tried my patience occassionally, but two little girls were taking too much of my time to get involved in a good (?) C&R discussion, or whether George was spamming, or fishing has become too high tech, or whether a seperate tying news group is a good idea (going back a couple of years), etc.  :-)     Anyway the girls are older and I have a _little_ more free time to become involved in the discussions.  So watch out!  :-) David R. Felter "The mind is like a parachute.  It doesn’t work if it’s not opened."

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It has tried my patience occassionally, but two little girls were taking too much of my time to get involved in a good (?) C&R discussion, or whether George was spamming, or fishing has become too high tech, or whether a seperate tying news group is a good idea (going back a couple of years), etc.  :-)

You do go back a ways.  The fact that you’re still here should be, well, disturbing to your family and friends. Anyway the girls are older and I have a _little_ more free time to become involved in the discussions.  So watch out!  :-)

I have two girls who were little once, but quite mysteriously have become young women who need to be shielded from certain attorneys in the old north state, lest their hearts be forever captured.  Anyhow, enjoy their presence now for they are too soon gone. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I have two girls who were little once, but quite mysteriously have become young women who need to be shielded from certain attorneys in the old north state, lest their hearts be forever captured.  Anyhow, enjoy their presence now for they are too soon gone. Mark Faulkner

        you know, markey, i meant to talk with you about those little rascals; i mean, where could be the harm in a couple picture exchanges and a few nights reading the advance sheets together…         wayno, who wouldn’t *dare*. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Love it! I have seen and caught catfish on a fly – nymph fished extremely slow on the bottom though.  It is a rare occurrence. Now the important question – What’s the pattern for the MadamX? I know rubberlegs tend to drive Bluegill crazy. — Bill Endicott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings.  I have been lurking in this group for about 4 years, but have been completely satisfied with just reading the different posts. Now I am ready to join in the melee with a report of my own. Being a flatlander my main quarry is the largemouth bass and the bluegill, and the other night (after work) I felt the need to bend a rod.  I went to a local farm pond to catch a few bluegill.  I grabbed my trusty 3 wt. and the appropriate boxes of flies to go after some wary bluegill.  I tied on a sponge spider and immediately caught several bluegill.  I decided to change flies and selected a Madame X to see if I could entice more bluegill to jump on my line. Imagine my surprise when my rod almost came out of my hands.  Before I knew what was happening my rod was bent over and my pile of slack line was beginning to disappear!  I knew I had a larger fish and figured it was a bass.  The problem was I didn’t know how big and whether, or not, it would break my 1.5 pound tippet.  After 20 minutes, or so, of playing the fish I was shocked to discover a Channel Catfish (~3 lbs.) on the end of my line!!  I have never seen a catfish take a fly, but was even more astounded that it had taken a dry fly!! I guess it just goes to show that fly fishing is always an adventure. BTW, the bluegill action continued until dark once I got over the shock of catching the catfish. David R. Felter "The mind is like a parachute.  It doesn’t work if it’s not opened." ______  GREAT!  Thanks for sharing it.  The Madam X was invented by John Foust and I sat right next to him while WE tied it together. He would ask, "What do you think of this?"  And, I’d say, tie it all forward, bring it back to make the head and the wings will explode . . . and he did.  John thought of adding the rubber legs.  Then we later went to the B-52 for the big salmon fly hatch on the Bitterroot.  Yes, John is a marvelous fly tier but I did help him create it, which is of great pride to me.  But John Foust deserves 95% of doing it all by himself.  He sure turned into a pretty good fly fisherman.  I have stories of John that will tickle your funny bone.  His is a funny man and a very smart one also. George — Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://216.55.26.157/vchat/ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com (Bamboo Is Fun) http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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I have just moved to Miami, FL and am interested in emptying my flybox of trout flies, and pursuing bone fish.  However, when I see the reports in the magazines of bone fishing on the flats (which look beautiful) it always looks as though a boat id required. Where can I bone fish without a boat in Dade/Broward/or Monroe counties? Do you know of any particluar good spots? Is summer a good time to spot bone fish? Thanks in advance! Mac

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I have just moved to Miami, FL and am interested in emptying my flybox of trout flies, and pursuing bone fish.  However, when I see the reports in the magazines of bone fishing on the flats (which look beautiful) it always looks as though a boat id required. Where can I bone fish without a boat in Dade/Broward/or Monroe counties? Do you know of any particluar good spots? Is summer a good time to spot bone fish? Thanks in advance! Mac

Hi Mac, I think there are lots of bonefish in Biscane Bay and all down through the Keys. There are some books written about the area. One is buy Stu Apte. I would find some fishing shops and find out where you can wade. I think April/May/June is prime time and Sept/Oct/Nov. I would go once or twice with a good guide. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I have just moved to Miami, FL and am interested in emptying my flybox of trout flies, and pursuing bone fish.  However, when I see the reports in the magazines of bone fishing on the flats (which look beautiful) it always looks as though a boat id required. Where can I bone fish without a boat in Dade/Broward/or Monroe counties? Do you know of any particluar good spots? Is summer a good time to spot bone fish? Thanks in advance! Mac

Miami area and fly fishes there on a regular basis. Richard should be able to help you out with everything you need to know.

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I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE.

Maybe if you weren’t YELLING at them, they would have been a little more  friendly. Tip: Eliminate drag. When I take less experienced people there, that is usually the biggest problem I have in getting them to catch fish. You need to mend a lot. That’s one of the reasons you see the people in boats catching more fish (there are other reasons). From a boat, you are higher up, and it is easier to eliminate the drag. Plus, the guide will assist you in this process. Using a longer rod will also help, as you can get a more vertical presentation, but it really takes experience to see and understand this drag thing. Good luck, Bill Schudlich Santa Fe, NM

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I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. Maybe if you weren’t YELLING at them, they would have been a little more  friendly. Tip: Eliminate drag.

Are you saying that I should leave my bra in the blazer ? Or just wear it on the inside of my vest ? TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ON LABOR DAY I WAS PRIVILEGED TO FISH THE SAN JUAN RIVER. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED FLY RODDER BUT AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. EVERY PERSON AROUND ME WAS CATCHING HUGE FISH, JUST LIKE I READ ABOUT. AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING AFTER TRYING ALL DAY I FINALLY HOOKED A 5 LB RAINBOW. WHAT A THRILL. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS WILLING TO SHARE THIER METHOD FOR CATCHING THESE FINE FISH? I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DAY OF FRUSTRATION. THE TROUT WERE FEEDING VORACIOUSLY ON EMERGERS AND I FELT THAT MY PRESENTATION WASN’T CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. EVEN A GUIDE REFERRAL WOULD HELP ON MY NEXT JOURNEY…JOHN Hi John It would be my guess that you were in a situation where "drag" was causing your fly to not act like a natural insect.  Drag happens when the various currents grab your fly line and leader consequently pulling the fly accross the current.  You will need to learn a little about reading the water, what the water does to your fly line & fly, and how to mend to compensate for the waters action on your line. As a guide here in Montana getting inexperienced people to recognize drag is a major part of my job.  Explaining it in person can be a challenge, trying to do so over the net is almost impossible.  I suggest you get with your local fly shop and arrange for lessons on reading the water and how to get a "drag free float."  OR you could join a local fly fishing club and learn from a new friend.  Call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 for information on a club near you. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

EXCELLENT ADVICE! George

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ON LABOR DAY I WAS PRIVILEGED TO FISH THE SAN JUAN RIVER. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED FLY RODDER BUT AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. EVERY PERSON AROUND ME WAS CATCHING HUGE FISH, JUST LIKE I READ ABOUT. AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING AFTER TRYING ALL DAY I FINALLY HOOKED A 5 LB RAINBOW. WHAT A THRILL. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS WILLING TO SHARE THIER METHOD FOR CATCHING THESE FINE FISH? I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DAY OF FRUSTRATION. THE TROUT WERE FEEDING VORACIOUSLY ON EMERGERS AND I FELT THAT MY PRESENTATION WASN’T CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. EVEN A GUIDE REFERRAL WOULD HELP ON MY NEXT JOURNEY…JOHN

Hi John It would be my guess that you were in a situation where "drag" was causing your fly to not act like a natural insect.  Drag happens when the various currents grab your fly line and leader consequently pulling the fly accross the current.  You will need to learn a little about reading the water, what the water does to your fly line & fly, and how to mend to compensate for the waters action on your line. As a guide here in Montana getting inexperienced people to recognize drag is a major part of my job.  Explaining it in person can be a challenge, trying to do so over the net is almost impossible.  I suggest you get with your local fly shop and arrange for lessons on reading the water and how to get a "drag free float."  OR you could join a local fly fishing club and learn from a new friend.  Call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 for information on a club near you. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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ON LABOR DAY I WAS PRIVILEGED TO FISH THE SAN JUAN RIVER. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED FLY RODDER BUT AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. EVERY PERSON AROUND ME WAS CATCHING HUGE FISH, JUST LIKE I READ ABOUT. AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING AFTER TRYING ALL DAY I FINALLY HOOKED A 5 LB RAINBOW. WHAT A THRILL. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS WILLING TO SHARE THIER METHOD FOR CATCHING THESE FINE FISH? I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DAY OF FRUSTRATION. THE TROUT WERE FEEDING VORACIOUSLY ON EMERGERS AND I FELT THAT MY PRESENTATION WASN’T CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. EVEN A GUIDE REFERRAL WOULD HELP ON MY NEXT JOURNEY…JOHN

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I am posting to my newsgroups and all newsgroups related to Women Outdoors. 17th Annual Women Outdoors National Gathering       Join other women  for 3 days of fun in the outdoors in

Beautuful Peterbrough, New Hampshire, 12 miles directly north of Mass. Memorial Day Weekend, May 24-27th, l996 Keynote Speaker: Amy Baltzell, rowing Olympian, crew member of America’s Cup Racing Team Workshops: High ropes adventure course, sunrise and sunset birdwalks, Rockclimbing,Kayaks, Canoes, Hiking Mt Monadnock, tallest peak

in southern NH, biking, entertainment, great food(with  non-vegetarian  and vegetarian entrees) relaxation,fun,friends and ….. Over 700 acres of forest,lakes, streams. Lodging Options: cabin, dormitory, tent sites Mothers bring children, boys  under 8 years of age and girls $55-$78 for children 3-12 Women $88-$155 Hello. I have attended these Gathering for many years.We have

 over 475 members for over 25 states. We meet and share and  learn outdoor skills. All abilities welcome. Some of the past workshops were carcamping, tree identification,

 compass reading, 12 Steps program, Vegetable juice diet,  Women Outdoor Euipment review with Eastern Mountain Sport,  Through-Hiking on Appalchian Trail and Pacific Crest Trail,  North African Dance, Scrabble board game, Pictionary, 2-Step Dance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Email for more information Elizabeth Wong Miller                                                         01201 PS we have a rep from Orvis fly fishing school.

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PS we have a rep from Orvis fly fishing school.

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PS we have a rep from Orvis fly fishing school.

Where is it? — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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The question is do they know how to catch fish?

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

No Doctors or Attorneys wanted Please do not attempt to book trips with me After 20 years of outfitting I refuse to take Doc’s or Sharks Go to Montana and fish for no talent ,stupid cutthroat or Alaska,another If your looking to bilk us taxpayers for your fishing trips see above post As an American I can honestly say we are proud that you are so concerned about your continuing education that you feel WE should pay for it. Bend over America here come the Doc’s & Sharks

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