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How many people?  Do you have a separate fly? Set out the ground cloth, set out the fly, work between them (it helps, but is not required, to have helpers stabilizing the fly). Depends a lot on specifics,such as tent style, etc. Practice at home. Dan — + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – "Science finds, Industry applies, Man conforms." motto of the 1933 Chicago World’s Fair + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + – + –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet] set up a tarp first. Penny S I’m trying to LOSE weight from my pack, not add to it!! Ruger9 Then leave the tent home.  It weighs a lot more than the tarp. I spent 5 nights in Yellowstone last fall with only a tarp and it rained 4 of those 5 nights.  One night, we had 3 hours of thunderstorms with heavy rain.  Pitch the tent right (pay attention to the weather before you pitch it) and you stay dry. The morning after the thunderstorms, the two of us who slept under the tarp were up and out of camp in less than an hour.  The two who slept in tents that night waited two hours for their tents to dry and then complained that they didn’t have any time for fishing…

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I’m trying to LOSE weight from my pack, not add to it!! Ruger9

Then skip the tent and just take a tarp.  That’s what I do anyway. There are a few tents — like the Wanderlust Nomad — made of Sil-nylon which does not absorb any water.  Shaking it removes all water. My tarp is made of sil-nylon.  After a couple shakes it’s completely dry.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet] set up a tarp first. Penny S I’m trying to LOSE weight from my pack, not add to it!! Ruger9

Then leave the tent home.  It weighs a lot more than the tarp. I spent 5 nights in Yellowstone last fall with only a tarp and it rained 4 of those 5 nights.  One night, we had 3 hours of thunderstorms with heavy rain.  Pitch the tent right (pay attention to the weather before you pitch it) and you stay dry. The morning after the thunderstorms, the two of us who slept under the tarp were up and out of camp in less than an hour.  The two who slept in tents that night waited two hours for their tents to dry and then complained that they didn’t have any time for fishing…

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Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet]

You’re lucky: where & when I normally go is the rainy season, and 3-4 days of solid rain isn’t all that uncommon. The worst part isn’t the tent getting wet so much as that by the 3rd day or so *everything* is either wet or 100% saturated. It’s easier if you can stay at a base camp and leave everything set up, but often that’s not do-able. Bummer packing around 20 lbs of water and very few people can remain optimistic on day no.4 of being cold & wet. I know you leave the doors & windows zipped closed, but if you set up the tent body, which is permeable nylon, and it’s getting poured on while you get the poles connected to it, all that water is going to eventually end up inside the tent, I would think…

It depends on the tent. I can do that with the 1-man (actually I put the poles in position under the rainfly and then raise the tent with the rainfly laying on top of it). The 2-man or family tents need to have the windows or doors open -particularly if the fabric is wet- else they don’t want to go up at all. With them I just do it as quickly as possible and then mop up the floor when it’s up. Maybe unroll the tent, quickly put the whole mess under the fly, and do everything under the rain fly, as best as possible?

And that works if it’s not too windy. — JLG

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Single wall, tent (e.g., Stephensons) Popup Rainfly first (if so built) Tarp. Sulk inside your poncho until you get desperate enough. Pack a large sponge. Practice like NASCAR pitcrews do.  If they can change 4 tires, add 40 gal of fuel, clean the windshield, tweak the suspension, read the joke section of Playboy, and conduct an interview with a sports announcer in 17 secs, then it seems a simple matter to toss a tent up and get in it before getting too damp. But then it all goes to hell in a kitbag if there are big winds as well.

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just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet?

Waiting can help.  There are steady rains and there are downpours, but even a hurricane has an eye.  Eventually, rain lets up a little, even if it doesn’t stop.   Steve Silberberg Steve’s Tiny Book of Romance http://www.callipygianproductions.com/stbor/stbor.html "For man so feared his ignorance, that he created god in his image"-Eric 3:16

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Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet] set up a tarp first. Penny S

I’m trying to LOSE weight from my pack, not add to it!! Ruger9

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| Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens | just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any | tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the | INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? | [I've never had to do it...yet] | | I know you leave the doors & windows zipped closed, but if you set up | the tent body, which is permeable nylon, and it’s getting poured on | while you get the poles connected to it, all that water is going to | eventually end up inside the tent, I would think… | | Maybe unroll the tent, quickly put the whole mess under the fly, and | do everything under the rain fly, as best as possible? | | Ruger9 I pitch a tarp first, then the tent underneath it. — FlyingCoyote http://www.boarsgut.com —

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[ Ruger9 ] Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet?

Use a tent where you pitch the outer first, like Hilleberg or Helsport (the primary brand here in Norway). I’ve camped in too much bad weather to risk using one where the inner is pitched first. I see how using only the inner is nice in places with very stable weather and bugs, but I don’t trust the weather around here that much. Martin — "An ideal world is left as an exercise to the reader."                                                  -Paul Graham, On Lisp

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Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet] I know you leave the doors & windows zipped closed, but if you set up the tent body, which is permeable nylon, and it’s getting poured on while you get the poles connected to it, all that water is going to eventually end up inside the tent, I would think… Maybe unroll the tent, quickly put the whole mess under the fly, and do everything under the rain fly, as best as possible? Ruger9

That generally is the way to go, but some designs are better for this than others. Ideal would be the ones where you can set up poles and fly, then open the groundsheet and body underneath. There are also designs from TNF and Walrus which have the poles pre-attached, which speeds up set up. Of course, with practice and teamwork, you can set up in a few minutes. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet] I know you leave the doors & windows zipped closed, but if you set up the tent body, which is permeable nylon, and it’s getting poured on while you get the poles connected to it, all that water is going to eventually end up inside the tent, I would think… Maybe unroll the tent, quickly put the whole mess under the fly, and do everything under the rain fly, as best as possible? Ruger9

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Speaking of packing a wet tent:  If you’re on a trip where the heavens just pour on you for a couple days’ straight, does anyone have any tips for setting a tent up IN the rain, so as to avoid getting the INSIDE of the tent (very) wet? [I've never had to do it...yet]

set up a tarp first. Penny S

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Fishing in Chili. January/ Februari 2003 I want to visit Chili specially for fly fishing. Who can give me information about the fishing licenses. By example, do you need for every river a special license or just only a state license? Is it possibility to fish teh most river or is it private? Are ther also campgrounds and is it aloud to camp across the rivers. where can I rend a car for a resonableness price? Every information is very welkom, by e-mail or by post office box. thank you very very much. Marty Maas Eikenhof 11 5243 RJ Rosmalen The Netherlands.

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Fishing in Chili

I hear the fishing can be real hot

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JeffC wrote… I hear the fishing can be real hot

Only if you are using habenero flies. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Research and look up Jim Repine who has a lodge on the Futalafu River in Chili.  He can line you out with everything you need to know. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fishing in Chili. January/ Februari 2003 I want to visit Chili specially for fly fishing. Who can give me information about the fishing licenses. By example, do you need for every river a special license or just only a state license? Is it possibility to fish teh most river or is it private? Are ther also campgrounds and is it aloud to camp across the rivers. where can I rend a car for a resonableness price? Every information is very welkom, by e-mail or by post office box. thank you very very much. Marty Maas Eikenhof 11 5243 RJ Rosmalen The Netherlands.

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June is prime time, but  May could be OK too if it is not too early in the month. I know August sucks. Get on Google and find someone up there to email? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope to hit the Kamloops area of B.C. early in the season in 2002. I anticipate ice-out will occur about May, early for lower elevations and later for higher elevations. I would appreciate any advice, hints, locations of hot lakes, comments on fishing this time of year, etc.

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Check out some of the local fly shops when you are there, most will help you out. I am trying to remember the names of a few I particularly liked, but they escape me. (I know exactly how to get to one where the owner was particlarly helpful, but I can’t remember the name of the shop.) Expect to use midges, scuds, leeches, or other early season food imitations. You might keep an eye on the sportfishing BC forum at http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/ or the Fishing BC forum http://www.fishbc.com/cgi-bin/board/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&nu… I hope this helps. I am planning on being in the areq in mid-April or early May myself. Sometimes I can get some fishing in, sometimes not. Hope this helps Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope to hit the Kamloops area of B.C. early in the season in 2002. I anticipate ice-out will occur about May, early for lower elevations and later for higher elevations. I would appreciate any advice, hints, locations of hot lakes, comments on fishing this time of year, etc.

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Some lakes are open in April or even late March. Stump, Six Mile, Jocko and White are known for long a open season and provide fishing before the 1st of May.  Concentrate on lakes in the 3000 foot elevation range.Paul Lake is within an easy drive of Kamloops and is a lake at the proper elevation for that time of year. Early in the season blood worms, leech, corixa and chironmids are the primary hatch. If the weather is mild or warm chironmid hatches can be prolific. Chironomids are the most consistent hacth in May and into early June. Cold weather fronts will negatively effect the fishing. Towards the end of the month it is possible to hit excellent hatches or callibaetis mayflies and even damsels in some lower lakes. All will depend on the timing of ice free conditions and if there is a cold or warm spring. The worst timing would be to fish a lake in turnover, the best immediately after ice off. Yosh’s tackle in Kamloops is a good tackle store or the Logan Lake fly shop. Ask for Georgi at Logan Lake. The best discussion forum is at fishbc.com. Many area residents, guides and tackle shop jockeys frequent this site and are more than willing to provide info and advice. be sure to get as up to date information as possible before you go and adjust your fishing locale accordingly.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope to hit the Kamloops area of B.C. early in the season in 2002. I anticipate ice-out will occur about May, early for lower elevations and later for higher elevations. I would appreciate any advice, hints, locations of hot lakes, comments on fishing this time of year, etc.

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I hope to hit the Kamloops area of B.C. early in the season in 2002. I anticipate ice-out will occur about May, early for lower elevations and later for higher elevations. I would appreciate any advice, hints, locations of hot lakes, comments on fishing this time of year, etc.

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Give Georgi Abbot of the Logan Lake Fly Shop and email. She’s happy to Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope to hit the Kamloops area of B.C. early in the season in 2002. I anticipate ice-out will occur about May, early for lower elevations and later for higher elevations. I would appreciate any advice, hints, locations of hot lakes, comments on fishing this time of year, etc.

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Sorry… accidentally copied the NG… Mark

That’s okay. It gave those of us who missed it the first time a chance to send a complaint to his ISP — which I did. Mine (AT&T) must have filtered it out, surprisingly enough. Thanks. GB in NC

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Clap, clap. a good solid dose of penicillin should cure ya willi…. Speaking from experience?

nahh, saw it on the health channel. –waldo

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… in my opinion good manners make gentlemen. Uh Bill?  Remember that scene in Blazing Saddles where the cowboys are sitting around the fire eating beans? john

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Clap, clap. a good solid dose of penicillin should cure ya willi….

Speaking from experience? Willi

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I like ROFF for a couple of things, especially because I learned a lot and find it an inexhaustible source of knowledge in flyfishing. But I was horrified by the lack of manners I personally recognised in the last time. Whether that behaviour in some threads was illmannered or not I leave you to judge, but I have to admit in retrospect, that I found some real gentlemen in this group. I am talking about these men which might have insulted somebody, but have been courageous enough to ask for apologize. One of the hardest things to do. Conclusion: I personally highly respect this, whether the apology has been accepted or not; in my opinion good manners make gentlemen.

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Clap, clap.

a good solid dose of penicillin should cure ya willi…. –waldo

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Clap, clap. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You should know me well enough to know that I am not the kind of person who spits on military personnel and I am very sorry if anything I said led you to believe so. I urge you to accept this apology so I don’t have to drive all the way to Maine this September to put a size 11 up your arse. (You know how much I hate nymph fishing during hopper season.) — Ken Fortenberry

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You should know me well enough to know that I am not the kind of person who spits on military personnel and I am very sorry if anything I said led you to believe so. I urge you to accept this apology so I don’t have to drive all the way to Maine this September to put a size 11 up your arse. (You know how much I hate nymph fishing during hopper season.) — Ken Fortenberry

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Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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A decent smallie area is the Perkiomen watershed park at routes 73 and 29 just outside of Collegeville (its in Schwenksville to be technical). Another area is the Evansburg park area on Germantown Pike. I can give you better directions if either sound appealing. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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Well, you could use the simple approach and just try to match the bugs on the water with a fly that is close in size and colour.  That will generally work about 90% of the time.  And you don’t need to learn all the entymology either.  All you have to know is that trout eat bugs, and most of the time they eat the kind of bugs that are hatching at the time.  Fly fishing does not have to be technical, but a lot of people tend to try to make it so. Cheers from the wet coast.

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…  And you don’t need to learn all the entymology either.  All you have to know is that trout eat bugs, and most of the time they eat the kind of bugs that are hatching at the time.  Fly fishing does not have to be technical, but a lot of people tend to try to make it so. …

The great beauty of it, and much of the appeal of flyfishing for me, is that you’ve got it exactly right. You can make it as technical as you want… or not. For some it’s rewarding and challenging to do some amateur entomology, others, who catch just as many fish, are content to tie on a fly that looks close enough in size and color without caring much about the latin name of the beast they’re matching. The question though was how to identify hatches and for that I do recommend at least a little bit of aquatic entomology. My favorite book on the subject is the pricey but beautiful classic, _Aquatic Entomology_ by W. Patrick McCafferty. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 2 – Tar Heels 1

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But I have no idea how to identify what’s on the water, nor how to match it with a fly (I’m at the stage where I can’t tell a caddis from a mayfly.)  What;s the best approach to teaching myself?

Some simple small books that you can keep in your vest are the Orvis books: Trout Stream Insects by Dick Pobst (ISBN 1-55821-067-9) The Caddisfly Handbook by Dick Pobst and Carl Richards (ISBN 1-55821-542-5) These two have color photos, recommended artificials, and hatch charts for east and west US to help you narrow down the search. Tight lines, Peter Simonson

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Cheers from the wet coast.

Hm….what an odd place you live in!  ;-)

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Yah, well, when you get rain most of the year, and they call it the "coastal rainforest", it does tend to get a few nicknames.  But, hey, the salmon are coming like gangbusters right now and I have to make a business trip to Calgary.  I’ll have to condescend to fish that large creek they call the Bow and harass a few trout.  Then it’s out to the local streams for the Pinks, Coho and Chinook on the fly.  Cheers from Vancouver, BC, the Wet Coast.

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I’m planning a familiy trip down to Islamorada this summer. Since I’m on a budget I can unfortunately only afford to hire a guide for one day. How good are the opportunities for doing some solo wade-flyfishing in the Islamorada area. Too vast and crowded? Tips are appreciated, Tor Larsen

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Spme State Parks w/ood access South of there

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Rook2, I was there last year and had a fine time fishing from the road side. If you head on out towards Key West not very far from Islamorada there’s a number road side areas you can fish where the boat cuts come close to shore. I pulled two fine bone fish out this way. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spme State Parks w/ood access South of there

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This is a good idea.  We need an eight lined ‘Angler’s Toast’.  Maybe we need three or four of them? Mike Connor, you have been challenged to supply the first entry. Possibly, we should have an "Angler’s Toast Contest?"  for the Conclave?! shush!  quiet everyone.  There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah?

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Georg G: <<….shush!  quiet everyone.  There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah? "Row tiddly row Defecate or bust Never let your testes Dangle in the dust." Hey, it worked in Japan 40+ years ago! Dave L.

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ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A GOOD GUIDE FOR BONEFISH IN THE KEYS AROUND THE MARATHON AREA??  THANKS

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Give a call to Capt. Geoff Colmes at 305-853-0741 or 305 451-8911.  This guy works hard and will get you onto fish.  Good luck! Clay

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I’d suggest Captain Craig Brewer in Islamarado.  I fished with him a couple of times for bones and tarpon.  Excellent guide who really goes the extra mile to put you on the fish.  Don’t have Craig’s number handy but I’m sure he’s listed.  If you speak to him, please say hello from me and my fishing buddy Reed Guice. David Sheffield Los Angeles

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Captain Craig Brewer is a very capable guide but a jerk.  If you are not an accomplished caster, try someone else. He yelled at my 72-year-old father, a fly fisherman for 50 years,  for casting to 1:00 rather than 2:00 .Brewer ruined our outing.

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I would suggest u call Sandy Moret at Florida Keys Fly Fishing School in Islamorada. He can put u on a good guide. Tell him your experience level and type fish you want to try..  If this is ur first time in the salt I would suggest that u tell him u want to wade fish. Believe me it is much easier than fishing from a skiff the first time or two. U are not dependent on the guide getting the boat into a position for you. Also u are not going to be able to cast as far as u would like on the first trip. Above all practice ur double haul and practice in the wind. Good luck. Jack Schmitt Cumberland Transit Flyfishing Nashville, Tenn. A 30 Year veteran of the salt.

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Captain Craig Brewer is a very capable guide but a jerk.  If you are not an accomplished caster, try someone else. He yelled at my 72-year-old father, a fly fisherman for 50 years,  for casting to 1:00 rather than 2:00 .Brewer ruined our outing.

With so many good guides in the Keys, there is just no good reason to fish with a horses ass. Try Bill Massey out of Islamorada.  I fished with him the day before that hurricane hit Fla. in early June.  He put me on several tarpon, but we couldn’t connect.  When it became clear we couldn’t fish any of his best spots because of the high waves, wind and rain, he suggested that the best bet might be to face reality and call it a day after 3 hours.  We settled on a reasonable fee.  I appreciated not having a guide drive me around on a boat or have me cast to barren water all day just to make a buck.

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Good words aboout Massey…he knows you’ll come back.. And he does put you on fish..Don’t anyone tell him this is on here….don’t want his head to swell

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