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central PA. Third week of July. Need guide and/or boat rental info,

http://www.billsguideservice.com/ RichZ

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Having become more than slightly intereted in the maine clave…..a question or two if I may.. Dave did you say you thought they were out of camps…i.e. cabins? apparently i can’t get there from here and can only get so close….then they have to transport me….right? Are there campfrounds, as in tents, available. Could a person bring their own boat? Am I a day late and a dollar short? ps……any boddy into the travel buddy thing?

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John writes: Having become more than slightly intereted in the maine clave…..a question or two if I may.. Dave did you say you thought they were out of camps…i.e. cabins?

There is room in Steve Zimmerman’s cabin. apparently i can’t get there from here and can only get so close….then they have to transport me….right?

Right. Are there campfrounds, as in tents, available.

The campfrounds and the campgrounds close the week before the clave.   Could a person bring their own boat?

Yes. Am I a day late and a dollar short?

No. ps……any boddy into the travel buddy thing?

If you want to go to the clave, John, I can probably get you in.  But, remember, the "coupon" is not good for the clave.  Pick a time….. Dave

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Having become more than slightly intereted in the maine clave…. ….any boddy into the travel buddy thing?

John, there is a campsite very close to Middle Dam and Lakewood Camps that is administered by the South Arm Campground. http://www.atlanticcapitalcorp.com/southarm/index.html South Arm, the main campground, closes on Monday September 11. There is a possibility they could be talked into letting us use the wilderness campsite for the rest of the week, though. I have talked with the guy and he seems agreeable enough. It takes a boat to get from South Arm to the campsite, it’s about four miles. If, and this is a BIG if, I can make it I’d be staying at that campsite with Kristine & Kipper the hound. I’m not gonna be able to do a guys only trip twice in one year. I’m gonna sell this to Kristine as a trip to Vermont, New Hamshire, Maine and a return through Montreal with a couple of days of fishing thrown in. What kinda boat you got ? — Ken Fortenberry

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John,  It’s a long tradition in Maine to just pull over on a dirt road and camp, if the camps Ken mentioned don’t want you on their plot, just find a nice clear spot and setup. As long as you don’t build a campfire you will not be hassled about it. Back when I had a pickup with a cap, and not the ‘dadmobile’ that I drive today, I often just camped in the bed of the truck.  I’m probably coming up to the clave for a day and a night (dates are TBD) and will probably be using my tried and true just find a wide spot in the road and camp technique. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having become more than slightly intereted in the maine clave…..a question or two if I may.. Dave did you say you thought they were out of camps…i.e. cabins? apparently i can’t get there from here and can only get so close….then they have to transport me….right? Are there campfrounds, as in tents, available. Could a person bring their own boat? Am I a day late and a dollar short? ps……any boddy into the travel buddy thing?

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Hmmmmmm…..curiouser and curiouser….I’ve got a 16′ aluminum with a 35 horse motor….floor, bass seats, steering wheel,,,(or is it tiller?)…… You can stop in and pick up my boat and then I’ll fly out and you can pick me up at the airport!!!!!! that or we’ll let the girls tow it and *we’ll* fly out!….john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having become more than slightly intereted in the maine clave…. ….any boddy into the travel buddy thing? John, there is a campsite very close to Middle Dam and Lakewood Camps that is administered by the South Arm Campground. http://www.atlanticcapitalcorp.com/southarm/index.html South Arm, the main campground, closes on Monday September 11. There is a possibility they could be talked into letting us use the wilderness campsite for the rest of the week, though. I have talked with the guy and he seems agreeable enough. It takes a boat to get from South Arm to the campsite, it’s about four miles. If, and this is a BIG if, I can make it I’d be staying at that campsite with Kristine & Kipper the hound. I’m not gonna be able to do a guys only trip twice in one year. I’m gonna sell this to Kristine as a trip to Vermont, New Hamshire, Maine and a return through Montreal with a couple of days of fishing thrown in. What kinda boat you got ? — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m not gonna be able to do a guys only trip twice in one year. I’m gonna sell this to Kristine as a trip to Vermont, New Hamshire, Maine and a return through Montreal with a couple of days of fishing thrown in.

Now yer usin the ol noggin.  If Kristine is actually your wife, then maybe I should take some pointers from you – I’m just practicing for it right now, trying to "sell" the Maine trip Regards, Jeff

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How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ? Thanks, again, very very much. — TimW

        anybody that uses canon equipment has *got* to be a fish-killin’, beer drinkin’ reprobate.         olympus rules!         email me with your detailed needs, buddy, and i will try to find something for you. happy thanksgiving! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Tim, These will not fit an EOS mount.  I beleive you can get and FD/EOS adapter, however you lose all your metering functions – not a good thing eh! If you need bellows there are the Novaflex autobellows for EOS, you may have to hunt around for them second hand, I beleive that they are not cheap. Alternatively I use Hoya close-up filters on a 50mm 1.8 lens, these do a good job, you have to be very careful with your focusing and depth of field. Canon now actually make extension tubes for EOS – however I don’t know how much they cost, so you I can’t comment on them. Regards, AS

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: [deleted] : No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on : their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. : Is there an adapter ? AutoFocus is unimportant and the TTL metering should : work regardless ? Pasted from my save file: Can any one refer me to some resources on the internet that explain the difference betwen Canon’s FD and EF Lenses?  I also would like to find out the compatibility issues of FD lenses with Canon EOS Cameras?

Canon EF lenses are autofocus (usually with manual focus capability); they fit Canon EOS camera bodies.  Aperture is 100% electronic and can only be set from the camera body.  EF lenses cannot be mounted on a F, A, or T series (FD) camera body; adapters are not available. Canon FD lenses are manual focus only; they fit on the older Canon F, A and T series camera bodies.  Aperture is set on the lens by turning a ring or placed on "A" (or "O") for automatic aperture setting.  FD lenses cannot be mounted on an EOS (autofocus) camera without an adapter. FD/EF adapters are either optical or macro.  Macro adapters will not allow the lens to focus to infinity.  Optical adapters made by Canon are useable only on certain expensive telephoto lenses.  Optical adapters made by 3rd parties are not noted for quality.  When FD lenses are used with any EF adapter, focus will be manual and metering must be performed manually with the lens stopped-down to the taking aperture. Dave Herzstein http://www.kjsl.com/~dave/index.html Bill Jameson

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You can probably achieve fair to good quality if your are careful with tripod mounted camera and close-up lens attachments  that are much cheaper than extension tubes and bellows.  Check with B&H in NY.

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For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes I can’t find these….what do I ask for ? What is the best I can hope for on this in terms of ‘magnification’ ?

Kenko is a brand name of some extension tubes.  There are others.  Look in the B&H ads in the mags.  Canon has there own set (more expensive.) Now, as far as ‘magnification’ is concerned, I hope you realize that you are delving into an area of photography where simple one line answers on USENET are not going to serve you well.  Suggest you start reading some books on macro photography. Magnification is a function of object distance (from lens), the focal length of the lens, and the image distance (from lens to film).  Change any one of these three and you will change the magnification.  As an experiment, pick up a plain ‘ol magnifying glass, and focus an image (let’s say from your monitor screen) onto the back of your hand.  Then walk a few feet away and try again.  You’ll notice that the image on your hand is smaller.  What you’ve done is change the object distance and observed the difference in size due to it. Magnification is defined as the image distance divided by the object distance.  Thus the closer you can get to an object the greater the magnification.  Conversely, if you can increase the image distance then you will also get greater magnification. What extension tubes accomplish is the latter.  They move the lens away from the film, thus increasing the magnification. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies. Could this still hook up through the shoe and provide TTL ?

Yes, there are ring lights that will work with EOS and still have TTL flash control. How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ?

Let’s see, a 35mm frame is 1.5” long, the item is 1/4" long, so the magnification required would be (1.5)/(1/4) = 6.  You are talking ‘real’ macrophotography, it IS NOT the stuff most people think about when they buy the so called 105mm ‘macro’ lenses!  You’d need the bellows unit, and a lens that could work with it.  Canon makes them.  There are third party items as well. Real macrophotography is very involved, and costs bucks. Canon publishes a "Macro" book; B&H has it listed for $18, I suggest you order it. BTW, Canon just came out with a special macro lens that can go to 5x, almost your requirement!  Expect to pay around $1050 for it.  The focal length is only 65mm though. -dan

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Thank you. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ? No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

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[deleted] No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90.

Is there an adapter ? AutoFocus is unimportant and the TTL metering should work regardless ? For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes

I can’t find these….what do I ask for ? What is the best I can hope for on this in terms of ‘magnification’ ? and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens.

Again…the photo shop here in Podunk didn’t have this…at least not for the EOS…sources ?  I do have magnification filters (+1, +2, +4) and these work so-so…I’ve been putting them all together and just feel really cheesy about it. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

Could this still hook up through the shoe and provide TTL ? How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ? Thanks, again, very very much. — TimW

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I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ? Does anybody have an extension tube/bellows or macro lens they could part with for a fair price ? Lights ? I’m trying to do some photographs of fishing flies for scanning and posting and am very much an amateur with a desire to do a good job. Thanks very much… — TimW

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I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ?

No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

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    I’m looking for plans for a small plywood flat- bottomed flyfishing pram. Something well thought out but easy to build by a ham handed handyman. Is there anything available on the net? Al.

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Try http://www.glen-l.com/ . I haven’t used them, but am seriously considering. They have a nice selection of plans, pictures, and instructions. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I’m looking for plans for a small plywood flat- bottomed flyfishing pram. Something well thought out but easy to build by a ham handed handyman. Is there anything available on the net? Al.

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looking for info on fly shops in victoria, bc.  would appreciate info including name of shop and hopefully a phone #.  would prefer a shop within walking distance from the ferry terminal, even if it’s a long walk. thanks in advance, chris

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looking for info on fly shops in victoria, bc.  would appreciate info including name of shop and hopefully a phone #.  would prefer a shop within walking distance from the ferry terminal, even if it’s a long walk. thanks in advance, chris

Chris, you will have a long walk from the ferryto a fly shop, when you get to town look up robinsons sporting goods, if you go up to cowichan or naniamo, cambell river there are more and better shops to look around. Trevor Hanson’s Fishing Outfitter’s    "just add water" 813 First Street SW Calgary, Alberta T2P 1N3 1-888-522-4489 102-580 Hornby Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6C 3B6 1-800-784-3312 (604)684-8988 fax (604)684-8998

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: looking for info on fly shops in victoria, bc.  would appreciate info : including name of shop and hopefully a phone #.  would prefer a shop : within walking distance from the ferry terminal, even if it’s a long walk. Depends on which ferry terminal. The ones from the US side (believe they come from Port Angeles, Anacortes, perhaps both) dock fairly close to downtown. However, most ferry traffic arrives from the Canadian side, leaving the mainland at Tsawassen (near the border, and about an hour south of Vancouver).  These ferries dock at Swartz Bay, which is a good 20 miles east of downtown Victoria.  However, should you choose to walk ;-^), the first town (about 3 miles) is Sydney, and there are three or four "fishing" shops there.  Most are saltwater-oriented (get yer bait herring here!) but all have a few flies and tying supplies. Trail, BC               voice: (250) 368-9315 Canada V1R 2V7          data:  (250) 368-9341

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I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last Weekend?

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no pics in this group but maybe rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Jan Geert Meents, Munich, Germany | I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this | NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last | Weekend? | |

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I’m new to the group but has anyone ever posted pictures of flies to this NG?  Plus what was the feedback from the College Park, MD FF Show last Weekend?

don’t do it.   post to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing see you there ! TimW

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: I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was : getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October : Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but : was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge : cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked : like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared : and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. [snip] : I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was : over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to : cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. You play the fish…the fish plays the fly.  We all crave entertainment. (My guess is that the cutt forgot to *suck*.  I  guess we will have to change the thread title to "Some Cutts really do *suck*".) Next time Ande… please just say "I was on a river the other day".   Please, no names.<g — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wooley) writes: I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? We’re talking about a fish here man…with a brain the size of a "green pea!" Not even a  _brain surgeon_  checks his food three times before he eats it (and more often, his food is not trying to escape.) O.K.!  Maybe the ones with brains the size of a "green pea" do… cw — Indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

Well gee, Not sure about this one. I’ve seen trout act that way too, and maybe I’m just fooling myself, but it seems as though I’ve seen it more in hard fished streams. Don’t think it’s intelligence, but maybe natural selection?   Fish adept at getting the fly the first time are caught first? I know that I’ve seen it most where the fish have lots of time, in long slicks and such. And (come to think of it) the flys were always fairly close to ME, the evil fish catching monster.   Hmmmmmm. Something to ponder anyway. Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? We’re talking about a fish here man…with a brain the size of a "green pea!" Not even a  _brain surgeon_  checks his food three times before he eats it (and more often, his food is not trying to escape.) O.K.!  Maybe the ones with brains the size of a "green pea" do… cw — Indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

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I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter

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Steve, There is the San Mateo Sportsman’s show that used to be held in March and will be held in Jan or Feb. this coming year (96).  This is a consumer show with all the big guns represented whereas the Fly Tackle Dealer Show is a dealer show not a consumer show.  If you like fly fishing, and live in the Bay Area, don’t miss it.                                                    Dan Dan Gracia Schools Coordinator Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I’ll be attending the The Fly Tackle Dealers’ Show in Denver next month. Anyone wishing information on new products (particularly rod blanks and components) exhibited at the show, feel free to post e-mail. I’ll be returning on approx. Sept. 25 and I’ll have a chance to respond at that time. You can also receive a free copy of our current catalogue with custom rods, blanks, componments, fly tying material and accessories by sending your name and snail mail address via e-mail. Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle    

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Fly fishing for Bass on the Kanawha River near Charleston, West Virginia is a trip.. Something not for the typical Fisherman. Now the water is up and very muddy, but when it go back down, I’ll let everyone know how the Fishing is…. Misha

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very muddy, but when it go back down, I’ll let everyone know how the Fishing is….

Yes please!  I especially like that strech just before Rt. 60 goes up into the mountains.  (would that be Gauly Bridge? ) Bob

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Count me in as one all in favor of this idea PROVIDED the fly fishing messages weren’t all cross-posted to alt.fishing or r.o.f.  I routinely skip all fly-fishing postings, and would certainly welcome a new place for them!

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How would I know if this newsgroup were set up?  Are alt.fishing and r.o.c. also newsgroups?  Yesterday there was a mention of some kind of private posting.  How does that work?     (New to both flyfishing and internet…)

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Count me in as one all in favor of this idea PROVIDED the fly fishing messages weren’t all cross-posted to alt.fishing or r.o.f.  I routinely skip all fly-fishing postings, and would certainly welcome a new place for them!

 Yes indeed,  here’s my support for just another group, LISTSERV was nice, but like all, well most of them, they just become too popular for the morning reading!…we do have work to do:-)  Steve Drossel

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How would I know if this newsgroup were set up?  Are alt.fishing and r.o.c. also newsgroups?  Yesterday there was a mention of some kind of private posting.  How does that work?     (New to both flyfishing and internet…)

While I’m not new to flyfishing I am new to Internet. Would someone please explain to me, Jessica, and other newcomers how to access Flyfish? Thanks

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