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I was looking at those before everyone suggested that stocking foot was the way to go.. Any second thoughts from you guys?

Only one. For the coldest conditions (winter tailwater fishing, goose hunting in a blizzard, etc.) you can’t beat the warmth of a pair of 5 mm neoprene bootfoot waders. But for anything else, I’d go with a pair of stocking foot waders with a good pair of wading boots. How cold is it where/when you plan to use them? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Lou, Like somebody else mentioned, it all depends on where you plan to fish. As for myself, fishing on freestone creeks and doing a good bit of walking, I am a big fan of stockingfoot waders and good wading boots. Reducing the risk of a sprained ankle far outweighs the extra five minutes or so it takes to put them on. Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greg I was looking at those before everyone suggested that stocking foot was the way to go.. Any second thoughts from you guys? Lou FWIW: Cabelas has a lace up bootfoot model this year too.   I see that they’re a heck of a lot cheaper,  and the boots (from the small photo) look  like they might provide better ankle support.

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Wayne & Others Wet wading, even in late summer is not much of a option here in Michigan’s Western UP. The streams and rivers run cold. The trout seem to like it but a guy can freeze his ass off in these waters…..

Granted, it may not be for everyone, but I’ve often waded wet in the various branches of the Ontonagon, Cook’s Run, Big and Little Carps, the Paint, the Fence, both Brules, the Firesteel, several of the Irons, the Sturgeon, and a host of others in the western UP. You get used to it after a while.     Wolfgang numb nu…….well, never mind.

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Wolfgang You R tougher than me.   I’ve tried fishing the SalmonTrout river in nylon windpants and  rubber sandals. Goddddd that water is cold. I need waders! BTW,,you were less than an hour from my home so if you wander this way again send me a E mail first. If you do I’ll buy you a beer and maybe we could consider fishing together. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne & Others Wet wading, even in late summer is not much of a option here in Michigan’s Western UP. The streams and rivers run cold. The trout seem to like it but a guy can freeze his ass off in these waters….. Granted, it may not be for everyone, but I’ve often waded wet in the various branches of the Ontonagon, Cook’s Run, Big and Little Carps, the Paint, the Fence, both Brules, the Firesteel, several of the Irons, the Sturgeon, and a host of others in the western UP. You get used to it after a while.     Wolfgang numb nu…….well, never mind.

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Greg Over the past year I often loaded  Cabelas Dry Plus bought waders, a chest pack, change of cloths, and some pop into a mid size pack. I’d catty a old wicker creel over one shoulder and carry my rod in a case. I don’t think the whole thing weighted 30 pounds and was no big deal to hike in with. I want to thank everyone here for their advice but I noticed that Cabelas had my old Dry Plus Breathable bought on sale for $100. I probably went fishing 100 + times last year and sure got my money’s worth and liked my old waders. I guess habit/ low price over comes good sense so I bought another pair today.. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was looking at those before everyone suggested that stocking foot was the way to go.. Any second thoughts from you guys?  I spend at least half of my fishing time in water  under 50 degrees or on beaches.   The laced  bootfoots have worked out quite well for that.  They are also easier to deal with: one piece  instead of the 3-5 (counting guards) that I would  be sure to forget one or more of.  The max distance that I have hiked in one day  is probably no more than 4-5 miles.  If I were  going to do some serious off-road hiking to get  to fishing water, I’m pretty sure that I would opt  to carry the waders in, since it would be inevitable  that I would destroy them otherwise (but first I  would have to have some serious work done on  one knee…).  The one disadvantage I  have in using bootfoots is  that I can’t switch between felt and studded soles.  So I used corkers for a while, which I couldn’t stand.  More recently I bought a pair of what looks like old-  fashioned galoshes with studs and a drawstring that  I slip on over the bootfeet (I think that Dan Bailey  distributes them).   They’re much more comfortable  and easy to slog through water in than corkers, but  I don’t believe that they work as well – too much metal  on the bottom so weight isn’t concentrated as well –  and the metal is quite soft, so it is abrading rather  quickly.  I’m pretty sure that I am going to buy another pair  of laced bootfoot waders soon and outfit one pair  with studs.

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HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why? Lou

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HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why?

Stockingfoot allows you to wear a custom boot that has the best fit (including laces), and also to change boots.

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HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why? Lou

Stocking foot are best all around for convenience and comfort.Boot foot are best for cold water winter fishing and for fishing the beach.Why choose, it’s best to have both. Regards,  Flypaint(Shawn)

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Hi Lou, I have sold/fitted waders to anglers and hunters for 37 years now, but we specialize in waders for fly fishers now. Today in California we sell 100% stocking foot chest high breathable waders for fly fishing. A few years ago we sold only stocking foot neoprene waders and light weight non-breathable stocking foot waders. Boot foot waders are faster and easier to put on, but you don’t get the ankle support that you get with a lace up boot on a stocking foot wader  for walking long distances in trout streams. Also, it is hard to really fit people well with boot foot waders because you need to get the chest/body size right first, then the right inseam length and then the right boot size. We use to sell neoprene boot foot waders a little, but had them "custom" fitted. If you could order boot foot waders with your body size, inseam length and then a good boot fit, they are great for those fast situation where you don’ walk a lot. The story on hip boots is that everyone I know that has fished with me over the years has gone in over the top during a day of fly fishing in Northern California. It is either chest high stocking foot breathable waders or wade wet in northern California in the summer. We sell a few waist high waders a year now but with the onset of breathables it is not as necessary as it was with non-breathables. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why? Lou

        stockingfoot.  because we wade wet down here after mid april, and thus need protection from the ankle up very infrequently.  if you ever hiked up to the middle falls on snowbird in late july, in even "breathable" chest high waders, you’d fully understand. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why? Lou stockingfoot.  because we wade wet down here after mid april, and thus need protection from the ankle up very infrequently.  if you ever hiked up to the middle falls on snowbird in late july, in even "breathable" chest high waders, you’d fully understand.

Quick word of caution…walking in shorts through briars and scrub that scratch the legs…then standing in biota rich pond water is a recipe for some interesting rash and infection…the notion of keeping alcohol pads back at the truck is a good one. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Guys Thanks to all of you who offered advice. I trust  the wisdom of this NG and will invest in some stocking foot waders and boots. BTW..I live in the Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, my old 5mm cold weather/ ice in the  river  waders are still in good shape but my summer ones are shot. I very often pack in my gear including waders on my back and them get organized streamside. Thanks again.. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why? Lou stockingfoot.  because we wade wet down here after mid april, and thus need protection from the ankle up very infrequently.  if you ever hiked up to the middle falls on snowbird in late july, in even "breathable" chest high waders, you’d fully understand. Quick word of caution…walking in shorts through briars and scrub that scratch the legs…then standing in biota rich pond water is a recipe for some interesting rash and infection…the notion of keeping alcohol pads back at the truck is a good one. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Quick word of caution…walking in shorts through briars and scrub that scratch the legs…then standing in biota rich pond water is a recipe for some interesting rash and infection…the notion of keeping alcohol pads back at the truck is a good one. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

Taking a bottle of alcohol along to the stream has proved more popular it seems. TL MC

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Quick word of caution…walking in shorts through briars and scrub that scratch the legs…then standing in biota rich pond water is a recipe for some interesting rash and infection…the notion of keeping alcohol pads back at the truck is a good one. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer Taking a bottle of alcohol along to the stream has proved more popular it seems.

I was refering to the ‘optional’ variety. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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FWIW: Cabelas has a lace up bootfoot model this year too.

I was looking at those before everyone suggested that stocking foot was the way to go.. Any second thoughts from you guys?

I don’t have a second thought – I still prefer stocking foot.  For all the reasons previously mentioned, plus the EEEE show size I need<g. –Stan

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For what it is worth, the latest cabela’s catalog has laceup boot foots as well. Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wet wading, even in late summer is not much of a option here in Michigan’s Western UP. The streams and rivers run cold.  Same in western NY and Ontario. The trout seem to like it but a guy can freeze his ass off in these waters. Going to take all the good advice and set up with stocking foot + boots.  Before you do you might want to take a quick look  at Orvis’s breathables with lace-up boot foots.

– Chris Richer chrisratnostormspamdotca

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Greg I was looking at those before everyone suggested that stocking foot was the way to go.. Any second thoughts from you guys? Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW: Cabelas has a lace up bootfoot model this year too.   I see that they’re a heck of a lot cheaper,  and the boots (from the small photo) look  like they might provide better ankle support.

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Why Lou!  That’s for your annual bonefish trip to the Keys! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne & Others Wet wading, even in late summer is not much of a option here in Michigan’s Western UP. The streams and rivers run cold. The trout seem to like it but a guy can freeze his ass off in these waters. Going to take all the good advice and set up with stocking foot + boots. Lou

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 Before you do you might want to take a quick look  at Orvis’s breathables with lace-up boot foots.

FWIW: Cabelas has a lace up bootfoot model this year too.

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Wayne & Others Wet wading, even in late summer is not much of a option here in Michigan’s Western UP. The streams and rivers run cold. The trout seem to like it but a guy can freeze his ass off in these waters. Going to take all the good advice and set up with stocking foot + boots. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For may of the reasons already stated, go stocking foot.  Besides being able to change boot types and properly fit the boot, you can wet wade sans waders with a good boot in hot climes; maximum versatility.  As Bill recommended; go with breathables. Considere neoprene socks when wet wading with boots and keep in mind, some boots like Chota Brookies have removable insoles for use with and without waders. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! HIYA guys I’ve always used bootfoot waders but I wonder if I’d be better off with stockingfoot. What do you folks use and why? Lou

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… they are composed of poly-cotton with layers of codura on the knees and ass.  that’s because if you aren’t on the former when you fish, you aint gonna catch any of the latter, in hazel creek.

I fished all day on Hazel Creek, was on my knees most of the time and I STILL didn’t catch any ass. Need another lesson from the master, I guess. — Ken Fortenberry

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For may of the reasons already stated, go stocking foot.  Besides being able to change boot types and properly fit the boot, you can wet wade sans waders with a good boot in hot climes; maximum versatility.  As Bill recommended; go with breathables. Considere neoprene socks when wet wading with boots and keep in mind, some boots like Chota Brookies have removable insoles for use with and without waders. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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No reason you can’t use quick-dry long pants.  They even make ones that have zip-off bottoms (i.e. convertible to shorts.)

        actually, my "fishing pants" are what were originally designed as warm weather bird hunting pants:  they are composed of poly-cotton with layers of codura on the knees and ass.  that’s because if you aren’t on the former when you fish, you aint gonna catch any of the latter, in hazel creek.         what the hell, it’s after 6, and it’s been a long day. wayno

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Quick word of caution…walking in shorts through briars and scrub that scratch the legs…then standing in biota rich pond water is a recipe for some interesting rash and infection…the notion of keeping alcohol pads back at the truck is a good one.

No reason you can’t use quick-dry long pants.  They even make ones that have zip-off bottoms (i.e. convertible to shorts.)

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stockingfoot.  because we wade wet down here after mid april, and thus need protection from the ankle up very infrequently.  if you ever hiked up to the middle falls on snowbird in late july, in even "breathable" chest high waders, you’d fully understand.

Good point.  I have used my wading boots without waders on quite a few occasions.

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Thanks Frank.`Little stores like this are why we enjoy ROFF. Big Dale

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Thanks for sharing that with us.  Oh how I can relate.  Those Panfish are real stress relievers. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there.  The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation.  You need a success.  Out of the cubicle farm and on the road.  Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard.     You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway.  Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work.  In that little pond, you know there is a big fish.  One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment.  If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out.     You get on the water and work it like a journeyman.  Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle.  You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader.  You test the knot, not once but twice.  Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots.  You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern.  You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove.     You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from.  You toss him back.  He’s not the target today.  You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank.     You catch a fair size bluegill.  You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook.  You don’t toss him in, you  bend down and let him slide in the water.  He dashes to cover.  You continue to cast.     There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings.  You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips.     You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies.  You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years.  The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor.  Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died.     You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive.  You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line.  You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious.  Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success.  That big fish.     As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter.  He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags.  The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond.     Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond.  They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow.  Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep.  No more hits, nothing rising.  You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success.  But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds.     You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring.  You did enjoy many little successes.  Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one.  As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes.  Ying and yang.  The pond is asleep now.  Its time for you to let it rest.  Even fishermen need sleep.                                     Frank Reid

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When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable.  :) good job Peter

    That’s harsh, really harsh.  When I first saw it, I thought it was the East Coast version of the California condor.  It kept circling above me. Things that make you go hmmmm..                                     Frank "Carrion Baggage" Reid

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    The day was stressful. … Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry

When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable.  :) good job Peter

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Nice report Frank,  a little sanity in the midst of madness eh ? TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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    The day was stressful. …

Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry

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    The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there.  The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation.  You need a success.  Out of the cubicle farm and on the road.  Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard.     You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway.  Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work.  In that little pond, you know there is a big fish.  One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment.  If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out.     You get on the water and work it like a journeyman.  Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle.  You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader.  You test the knot, not once but twice.  Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots.  You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern.  You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove.     You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from.  You toss him back.  He’s not the target today.  You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank.     You catch a fair size bluegill.  You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook.  You don’t toss him in, you  bend down and let him slide in the water.  He dashes to cover.  You continue to cast.     There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings.  You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips.     You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies.  You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years.  The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor.  Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died.     You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive.  You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line.  You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious.  Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success.  That big fish.     As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter.  He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags.  The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond.     Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond.  They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow.  Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep.  No more hits, nothing rising.  You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success.  But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds.     You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring.  You did enjoy many little successes.  Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one.  As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes.  Ying and yang.  The pond is asleep now.  Its time for you to let it rest.  Even fishermen need sleep.                                     Frank Reid

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doug knight strikes again! God!  Am I lucky or what?

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G you sir are a MORON

LOL! MrG.

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I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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Gary Gilman writes: I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

Go to www.google.com Type:  "fly fishing" + "british columbia" You will get thousands of hits – everything you could ever hope to know about BC and fly fishing.  hth BTW, you aren’t *that* Gary Gilman are you?   <G Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary Gilman writes: I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks Go to www.google.com Type:  "fly fishing" + "british columbia" You will get thousands of hits – everything you could ever hope to know about BC and fly fishing.  hth BTW, you aren’t *that* Gary Gilman are you?   <G Dave

I hope you ain’t wonderin’ if he is *that* Gary Gilmore. Op

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I hope you ain’t wonderin’ if he is *that* Gary Gilmore.

"Let’s do it." — Charlie…

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I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler.  In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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www.sportfishingbc.com has maps and all sorts of stuff you will find useful it is a government website enjoy…

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http://www.sportfishingbc.com has maps and stocking info as well as water testsing stats all you should need to fish in bc enjoy.

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I am going to a place called "Ts’yl-os Park Lodge" this summer which is on Chilko Lake in B.C. You fly there from Vancouver. It has been run by the same family for 30 years and has very limited access. They have 12 miles of river and 2 mountain lakes. The fishing is supposed to be wonderful. The setting is supposed to be gorgeous. During the summer, large rainbows are supposed to be keyed into large dry flies, salmon in the fall. I had a friend tell me that he enjoyed it as much as Alaska. The price for a week of guided fishing including lodging and meals is $1,495 (US). The round trip plane from Vancouver is another $300. Their phone:604-398-4103. I would be interested in any other responses you get. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I think that should be Sumallo Grove. It’s where the Sumallo River joins the Skagit. "freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock

That should be Skagit not Skeena. full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10!

Try a Hares Ear Nymph too. Brad

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Don’t fool around….take the Coquihalla and come to Kamloops.  From the city we have hundreds of lakes with Kamloops (rainbow) Trout. Check the www site http://www.netshop.net/Scouts/ for more information.  This is where they held the World Fly Fishing Championships in 1993….and as an avid FFF (Fly Fishing Fool) I sorry to say I will not be able to fish all the lakes in this area if I had 2 lifetimes to do it. Let me know if you decide to come into this area, and I will advsie as to fly’s etc. Tight Lines, Ken —— — K.W. (Ken) Martens, A.H.C. Kamloops, BC  Canada Member of the Door Hardware Institute

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Vancouver.  Just go up the "freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10!

It’s Sumallo and has nothing to do with the Skeena watershed.  It actually flows into the Skagit River.   If they can get to Vancouver Island there is a big run of Pink Salmon.  The closest river is the Oyster.  There will be Coho in Tofino that are fun to catch on a fly. For a list of flyshops that you can call or visit check out my Flyfishing pages.   Roy

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Hi Roy…..I’m heading to Hi Huim Lake next weekend ….have any tips or fly suggestions ? Thanks in advance

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli

"freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10! Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy

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Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp

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Why rely on second-hand responses when you can go right to the source?   Go to http://www.flyfield.com on the web to the Fly and Field fly tying site.  The Red Fox Squirrel Nymph is this month’s featured pattern from Dave Whitlock.

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writes: Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp

Taken from "Masters On the Nymph", edited by Migel & Wright, 1979 Lyons & Burford Pub. Dave’s Red Fox Squirrel Nymph – taken verbatim from Dave Whitlock, p.135. Hook:           Mustad 9671, sizes 4-18 Body Weight:    6 to 10 wraps lead at thorax Thread:         Black Tail:           Sparse tuft of red-fox squirrel back hair, including                   both guard and underfur 1/2 length of hook shank Rib:            Small oval tinsel Abdomen:        Red-fox squirrel belly fur Thorax:         Red-fox squirrel back fur (with guard and underfur                     included) Wingcase:       Dark brown swiss straw or turkey tail Legs:           Either guard hairs of red-fox squirrel back or one turn                 of dark partridge hackle     The commercial version of this fly is typically tied with partridge hackle, synthetic dubbing and no wingcase – without a bit of red-fox squirrel in the entire fly! Good Tying,             Alan Barnard                         Kiene’s Fly Shop                         Sacramento, Ca.

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern.

I’ve kept a copy of the original 5 page Dave Whitlock article from a "Fly Fisherman" magazine of many years ago, so here’s a word-for-word recital of same. Dave doth spake unto us, and he said: "Dave Whitlock’s *Standard* Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph Hook:    Mustad 9671 or Tiemco Nymph Hook, #2 to #18 Thread:  Black or dark brown nylon Cement:  Dave’s Flexament [of course! ;^)] Weight:  Lead or copper wire Abdomen: Belly fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic            sparkle dubbing. Abdomen should be 1/2 to 2/3 of overall body length. Thorax:  Back fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic            sparkle dubbing. Thorax should be 1/2 to 1/3 of overall body length. Rib:     Gold wire or oval tinsel Tail:    Small tuft of back fur from red fox squirrel skin. Tail is          approximately 1/2 of hook shank length. Note: Squirrel tail hair is completely unsatisfactory for this nymph’s body or tail! Hair from the animal’s body, not the tail, must be used. That is why [he insists] on calling it the Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph. Many tyers have confused this nymph with one of the many squirrel-tail patterns." If the argument is about the dubbing mix, Dave suggested the following: Thorax blend: Cut or shave the back hair off the skin and mix thoroughly in a small coffee-grinder-type blender. Cut yarn or synthetic dubbing into 3/8 to 1/2 inch lengths. Place the synthetic in the blender and mix it thoroughly. Now take a proper 70/30 portion of fur and synthetic and blend those together. Abdomen blend: Cut or shave the belly hair off the skin and repeat the procedure outlined above, except for the belly fur synthetic color and the 60:40 fur to synthetic ratio. Notes: – no wing case is necessary. – nymph should be tied "in the round". – thorax should be enlarged compared to the abdomen and losely wound so the     guard-hair tips will radiate to simulate legs, wing cases, antenna, and       gills in a fuzzy "halo" (fwiw: I use a small strip of the Velcro "hook"       material glued to a popsicle stick to tease the thorax on this and similar     hair nymphs). – tail has 4 or 5 guard hairs and a small bunch of underfur. Try to leave only   the tan base exposed (tie down and dub over the gray base hair). – Antron sparkle yarn is great for the synthetic part of the dubbing mixes.     I use their Amber Stone for the belly (abdomen) mix, and a mixture of Black,   Gray, and Brown for the back (thorax) mix. Hope this settles the argument! Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks

Try the Fly and Field web site http://www.flyfield.com/ Last time I looked there were detailed tying instructions and photographs. Simon Simon Lusk Fly Fishing New Zealand on the WWW http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro Department of Consumer Technology Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand

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Does Orvis recommend snagging?<

I don’t think so, unless the object of the snagging is customers…..

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In the September-October 1995 Orvis News, Orvis recommends a new method of weighting a wet fly (in this case, Orvis egg clusters) so that there is nothing between the fly and the strike putty but line.  The theory is that putting a weight between the fly and the strike indicator will mask a strike, because action at the end of the line will be delayed on its way past the weight.   To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line.  According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon).  Is it legal elsewhere?  Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

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To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line.  According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon).  Is it legal elsewhere?  Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

Sounds like bad advice in terms of drift too.  One advantage to putting the weight above the fly is that it leaves the fly free to drift about as the weight bounces along the bottom.  With the alleged Orvis system, the fly is suspended between the weight dragging along the bottom and the line or strike indicator dragging in the current.  It sounds like it would make it tougher to keep the fly drifting naturally. But Orvis’s point about the weight interfering with sensing the strike is a good one. — -Wayne Trzyna

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

  Actually, those fish you were seeing were probably smallies, cause I don’t think the Huron is clear or cool enough to sustain trout.

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

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You are quite right Jay.  Those were smallmouth bass and the water is too warm to support trout.  I checked with the DNR and learned that the 5 mile stretch of the Huron River below Dexter is catch and release.  This has helped to improve the smallmouth population.  According to the DNR, they shock the river each spring for reasearch.  They have found smallies up to 21 inches along with rock bass, creek chubs and hog suckers.  In addition, I learned that they stock Proud Lake (within an hour of Detroit) with rainbows and browns.

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: Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly : fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No : more. : As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of : Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which : are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I : think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. There are scores of quality fly fishing areas within an hour’s drive…unless you’re the sort who thinks ‘quality’ necessarily implies ‘trout’ I know of a number of great bluegill spots within 30 minutes of home, and as one fisherman I met put it, bluegills are ‘gram for gram, the fightingest fish there are!" And there are plenty of bass, pike, carp and many other species that are great fun on a fly, all close enough for after work fishing. Matter of fact, tonight a friend (who belongs to a very nice trout club with a private stream) and I are off to one of our favorite ponds to match wits with the wiley bluegill- and it’s only 20 minutes from home. –mike

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. — Dasu Baregala 123 E 8th St Moscow ID 83843-3009 (208) 883 – 9538

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No

more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

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I was fishing the South Platte upstream from Deckers in the mountains S.W. of Denver, laid out a beuatiful cast and as the tippet was unrolling, took a Barn Swallow out of the air..  It got a little wet on the retrieve, untangling took about five minutes, but I received a chirp of thanks upon departure.

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Not with turtles…but lizards will take an 18 or smaller terrestrial readily!! Be kind and crimp the barbs..catch and release please. J.O’C.

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While fishing for smallmouth bass on the Mississippi River near Monticello MN.  Dick Schultz caught what he thought was a log.  Much to his surprise, the log started swimming off.  After a pitched 5 minute battle, his log turned out to be a large snapping turtle, with his clauser minnow in its upper jaw. A world record snapper on a fly? Brian M

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   Although never a turtle, i’ve caught bullfrogs and garter snakes on a dry fly.                                                                 bob welliever Bob Welliever  Phoenix, AZ.

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I have a nice marshy pond I fish for blue gills and bass on.   This spring there’s more turtles than fish, however.  They’re very crious; they stick there head out of the water a few inches, for a few minutes, then move on to another spot.  I fear one day they’ll swoop up a fly and create a real mess.  I’m staying away from the wooley buggers for just that reason. Any experience risin’ turtle? Tom — "For the love of the fly, the cycle of spring, and all things that remind us of nature’s cruel dance."

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I have a nice marshy pond I fish for blue gills and bass on.   This spring there’s more turtles than fish, however.  They’re very crious; they stick there head out of the water a few inches, for a few minutes, then move on to another spot.  I fear one day they’ll swoop up a fly and create a real mess.  I’m staying away from the wooley buggers for just that reason. Any experience risin’ turtle? Tom

While I’ve heard of turtles taking a fly (including some terriffic stories involving snapping turtles), it may not be as likely as you think.  Last week I came across a regular party going on in and under a mulberry tree hanging over a deep, slow moving channel.  Grackles, crows and mockingbirds were fighting over the ripe berries in the tree and, in their struggles, raining them down on the water below.  As many as a dozen large river turtles were treading water under the bush, necks outstretched.  When I noticed the huge, dark shapes of a pod of big carp rolling underneath the turtles, I bit off the little bluegill popper I had on and tied on the closest thing I had to a mullberry, a black woolly worm hackled with a red-dyed grizzly saddle.  On every cast, the turtles would swim furiously over to the fly, then refuse it from a good distance away.  The carp didn’t have nearly so many inhibitions.  In an hour of casting right next to some very eager, hungry turtles, I didn’t have a single one actually take the fly, which was just fine with me.  After letting big carp tow our little boat around for a while, we finally ran out of flies to match the "mulberry hatch."  My last fish from that spot was an 18"-20" channel catfish, which took on the surface, dove for the bottom, and shook its head like a bulldog.  Somehow, the bluegills just didn’t seem the same after our party at the mulberry… Tight Lines (but No TURTLES!) BRAD DeVRIES "Only two things are infinite; the universe, and human stupidity, and I’m not so sure about the former."  – Albert Einstein

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If you are talking about regular woven bodies?  You tie your two flosses in at the bend in the hook and simple tie a series of single over hand knots.  Always tie in the same pattern left over right or right over left and you will wind up with light on top or bottom.  Pick the pattern you want and go with it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have tying instructions for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven Caddis patterns? I saw some in a shop the other day for sales. Deadly looking bugs, but 6 – 8 flys at $24 – ouch! I was told that his pattern was recently provided in an magazine published in the U.K. I unfortunately can’t identify the publication. There was an article in a recent issue (either Dec. or Jan.) of Flyfisherman that described a technique for making woven bodied nymphs using two different colors of floss.  The article described some nymphs using a light and dark shade of heavy brown floss.  I had some olive and yellow floss so I tried a few.  I ended up creating some really nice looking green rockworm nymphs The process for creating the body is fairly time consuming when compared to a dubbed body so I assume that has something to do with cost.   I’m not sure if this was actually for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven Caddis but the instructions had a "key" step for starting the weave at the beginning that is supposed to make it easier.  Unfortunately the text had a typo in it.  It had you start with one color of floss in your left hand.  Then is said to put the other color in you left hand and I’m sure that one of those "lefts" was suppose to be a "right" but it was unclear how to figure it out from the rest of the text. — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "Ask me about my vow of silence."

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<Does anyone have tying instructions for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven Caddis patterns? Davy is going to be at the Midwest Fly Show Jan 6,7, and 8th in Westmont, IL 400 E. Ogden Ave.  He will be tying all three days and I am sure he will be more than happy to answer any questions you have in regards to the Polish Woven Nymph.  He did not originate this pattern but he ties them as well or better than the original.  If you want more info on the Midest Fly Show call me @ 1-800-328-9753 or E mail.                                                           Marcos

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Does anyone have tying instructions for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven : Caddis patterns? I saw some in a shop the other day for sales. Deadly : looking bugs, but 6 – 8 flys at $24 – ouch! I was told that his pattern : was recently provided in an magazine published in the U.K. I : unfortunately can’t identify the publication. : Any and all help would be appreciated. Well B, it was the Sept/Oct 94 issue of Fly-Fishing and Fly-TYing. They certainly look good and aren’t that difficult to tie once you’ve done a few. The description is quite lengthy but if you can find anything on a SHUTTLE weave it should get you started. Some points I’ve noticed while fiddling with them:    - a correctly proportioned, smoothly tapered underbody is req’d    - you need a widish gape hook.    - surprisingly little lead is req’d – smoothish body sinks well.    - rayon flosses are slippery to use but can be managed    - wool is good    - Don’t neglect peacock herl    - use wool on size 6 hooks to practice    - leave materials in on the spool (don’t cut off lengths) it helps      with handling and tensioning. OB PATTERN    Wet beatle/nymph –    hook: Kamasan B175 Heavy traditional – size 10/12 mash barb.    thread: black    rib: fine copper wire with red tinge.    underbody: fine lead wire to suit application, build up nicely    tapered UB with thread AFTER tying in flosses,herls rib.    Body: woven – 3 peacock herl strands in rope with thread on top    the bottom being an orange floss heavy.    Head: BIG – BLACK and lacquered.    TIP – leave the herl rope and bobbin connected it helps with    maintaining the right tension    It is representative of some beetles we have about at the moment    and is very moorish to the fish (Browns). Have fun steve

Not to drop names, but I will be seeing Davy this weekend and would be pleased to obtain any additional info on this fly. E-Mail me at: am not sure if my net provider has a local #.

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Does anyone have tying instructions for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven Caddis patterns? I saw some in a shop the other day for sales. Deadly looking bugs, but 6 – 8 flys at $24 – ouch! I was told that his pattern was recently provided in an magazine published in the U.K. I unfortunately can’t identify the publication. Any and all help would be appreciated.

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Does anyone have tying instructions for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven Caddis patterns? I saw some in a shop the other day for sales. Deadly looking bugs, but 6 – 8 flys at $24 – ouch! I was told that his pattern was recently provided in an magazine published in the U.K. I unfortunately can’t identify the publication.

There was an article in a recent issue (either Dec. or Jan.) of Flyfisherman that described a technique for making woven bodied nymphs using two different colors of floss.  The article described some nymphs using a light and dark shade of heavy brown floss.  I had some olive and yellow floss so I tried a few.  I ended up creating some really nice looking green rockworm nymphs The process for creating the body is fairly time consuming when compared to a dubbed body so I assume that has something to do with cost.   I’m not sure if this was actually for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven Caddis but the instructions had a "key" step for starting the weave at the beginning that is supposed to make it easier.  Unfortunately the text had a typo in it.  It had you start with one color of floss in your left hand.  Then is said to put the other color in you left hand and I’m sure that one of those "lefts" was suppose to be a "right" but it was unclear how to figure it out from the rest of the text. — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "Ask me about my vow of silence."

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: Does anyone have tying instructions for Davey Wotton’s Polish Wooven : Caddis patterns? I saw some in a shop the other day for sales. Deadly : looking bugs, but 6 – 8 flys at $24 – ouch! I was told that his pattern : was recently provided in an magazine published in the U.K. I : unfortunately can’t identify the publication. : Any and all help would be appreciated. Well B, it was the Sept/Oct 94 issue of Fly-Fishing and Fly-TYing. They certainly look good and aren’t that difficult to tie once you’ve done a few. The description is quite lengthy but if you can find anything on a SHUTTLE weave it should get you started. Some points I’ve noticed while fiddling with them:         – a correctly proportioned, smoothly tapered underbody is req’d         – you need a widish gape hook.         – surprisingly little lead is req’d – smoothish body sinks well.         – rayon flosses are slippery to use but can be managed         – wool is good         – Don’t neglect peacock herl         – use wool on size 6 hooks to practice         – leave materials in on the spool (don’t cut off lengths) it helps           with handling and tensioning. OB PATTERN         Wet beatle/nymph –         hook: Kamasan B175 Heavy traditional – size 10/12 mash barb.         thread: black         rib: fine copper wire with red tinge.         underbody: fine lead wire to suit application, build up nicely         tapered UB with thread AFTER tying in flosses,herls rib.         Body: woven – 3 peacock herl strands in rope with thread on top         the bottom being an orange floss heavy.         Head: BIG – BLACK and lacquered.         TIP – leave the herl rope and bobbin connected it helps with         maintaining the right tension         It is representative of some beetles we have about at the moment         and is very moorish to the fish (Browns). Have fun steve

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