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Anyone ever read the Randall Kaufmann book  "Lake Fishing with a Fly" or the Deke Meyer book "Float Tube Fly Fishing"?  What do you think?  Are they useful books?

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I will state right off the bat that I am biased by having Randall as a close and valued friend. Lake Fishing with a fly is an excellent book, in my opinion, as it peels away some of the layers of mystery many anglers have concerning "Stillwater". (Misnomer of a term, but anyway) Many anglers are intimidated by a seemingly large flat expanse of water in front of them and the idea of "reading’ water is often the biggest challenge.. simply just knowing where to start the biggest challenge. As a result most just sort of give up and flail away at the nearest section of lake shore awaiting a hungry fish. Lake Fishing with a fly provides invaluable information that breaks down lakes and explains them so we can understand them in a way akin to a stream or river. There is a wealth of information and closely followed the book will help any angler be more successful in catching trout in lakes. I highly recommend it. The Mike Stidham illustrations are outstanding too. Just my thoughts, others may disagree. I haven’t read Deke Meyers Book. Clark

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Anyone ever read the Randall Kaufmann book  "Lake Fishing with a Fly" or the Deke Meyer book "Float Tube Fly Fishing"?  What do you think?  Are they useful books?

Greetings Rob:   I’ve read Kaufmann’s _Lake Fishing with a Fly_, and I think it’s a pretty good read.  Good basic information, and written in a style I enjoy.  I also like Kaufmann’s fly tying books, FWIW. ‘Sorry, I’m not familiar with the other book.   Cheers, and happy reading.  -Mark

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I have read them both. They are both good books, but I think serve different niches. Just a point, "Lake Fishing With A Fly" was written by Ron Cordes and Randall Kaufmann. The Deke Meyer book has some good informaiton on alpine fishing. It covers a lot of species I never fish for, such as bass and bluegill (we don’t have ‘em up here), so it use is somewhat limited for me. Also, it has a pretty limited section on flies. It does have some good tips on useing float tubes. The Cordes and Kaufmann boolk has more information about trout. Very limited informaiton on float tubes, but good general infomation on fishing techniques. It has some color plates, a good discussion of trout food, etc. If trout is what you are after, this would be the better book. My personal preference for a stillwater fishing book is Morris and Chan on Fly Fishing Trout Lakes. Tjhis has very good information, the infomation is organized well, and the book has very nice color photos. It has very good inforamtion on water craft, and lots of nice fly patterns. This book has become my personal favorite for lake fishing. Tim Lysyk

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If you can find a copy in your area "The Ghillie" has become the bible of still water trouting in British Columbia. It has excellent sections on fishing all of the still water hatches. Al.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have read them both. They are both good books, but I think serve different niches. Just a point, "Lake Fishing With A Fly" was written by Ron Cordes and Randall Kaufmann. The Deke Meyer book has some good informaiton on alpine fishing. It covers a lot of species I never fish for, such as bass and bluegill (we don’t have ‘em up here), so it use is somewhat limited for me. Also, it has a pretty limited section on flies. It does have some good tips on useing float tubes. The Cordes and Kaufmann boolk has more information about trout. Very limited informaiton on float tubes, but good general infomation on fishing techniques. It has some color plates, a good discussion of trout food, etc. If trout is what you are after, this would be the better book. My personal preference for a stillwater fishing book is Morris and Chan on Fly Fishing Trout Lakes. Tjhis has very good information, the infomation is organized well, and the book has very nice color photos. It has very good inforamtion on water craft, and lots of nice fly patterns. This book has become my personal favorite for lake fishing. Tim Lysyk Anyone ever read the Randall Kaufmann book  "Lake Fishing with a Fly" or the Deke Meyer book "Float Tube Fly Fishing"?  What do you think?  Are they useful books?

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I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.

Here are a couple of reports that are only days old. http://www.flyshop.com/centers/index.cfm?category=rm In the left margin, click on "Professional Fishing Reports".  Scroll down and you will find two on the Green with some good, current info.  You can find other current reports at: http://www.wrflyfisher.com/condit/rivers.php3?id=6159c3882d75fe9a9b7d… 4c246 http://quickbyte.com/greenriver/ http://www.webcom.com/drifters/ http://quickbyte.com/oldmoe/ http://www.fishwest.net/utah/disc_toc.htm http://www.fishwest.net/utah/currentconditions/index.htm If you go to flyanglersonline.com and search for the Green River, you will also get some good info.  I didn’t read it all, but there might be some stuff of interest to you. I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?

My suggestions would be to start with 5X and work your way down.  If fishing with hoppers and such, you might want to even go up to 4X.  Let the fish dictate what to use instead of newsgroup info.  Or you always could stop in a fly shop when you get there and ask them. I have never fished this river system, so any info that you fine folks would like to share would be greatly appreciated.

Me either.  Good luck and let us know how you do. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?

     I’ve always done well on the Green this time of year using stimulators in #10 or #12. Sometimes I’ll add an olive scud on a 2′ dropper, although I’d rather not. Another killer pattern this time of year is locally referred to as the "Hamburger Helper", it’s a #4 orangish-brown wooly bugger fished through the deeper spots. It’s a real bitch to cast, but it’ll take the biggest fish in the river.     If you go any smaller than a 4x you’ll break off a lot of fish.

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

     HEY, HEY, HEY, NOW JUST A MINUTE!!  I was just trying to divert some guy away from my home water!

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

Blow you! TC, R

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All, I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what? I have never fished this river system, so any info that you fine folks would like to share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mike P.

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If you are near Rushmore you are near Rapid City.  There is excellent fishing in Rapid Creek and in Spring Creek.  I am not sure how well Spring Creek fishes during the heat of summer. Both hold lots of nice fish.  When I fished Spring Creek in May a couple of years ago I had one afternoon of good olives.  Most of the fish I caught during the two days I fished it were on small nymphs fished with weight.  I caught a lot of fish between 11" and 14" and I did catch two fish that were considerably larger. When I was on Rapid Creek there were no hatches but I did well fishing a hopper pattern with a dropper.  I fished a large madam x. Both streams are not very wide so you will not need much rod. JK

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I’ll be visiting Mt. Rushmore next week. Can anyone give me some info on fishing opportunites in the area. I’ll be staying in a town call Lead. Info on rod size, fly selection and anything else that will help me catch some fish is appreaciated. Thanks

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For practice, try standing with your off-side shoulder to your target (ie: your feet will point 90

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I’ve been boating for over 20 years and fly fishing for half of that…while waders will not "sink" you, they will act as a sea anchor if not used with a belt…they should  be great for keeping your feet warm when used with a dry suit…great idea.  KA I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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Most people who drown in waders are wearing the old style rubberized canvass waders, they are big an baggy and would hold allot of water. Additionally most people who drown while wearing waders are not wearing a PFD.  Most modern waders are neoprene and have a snug fit.  Still you should always wear a belt to keep water from going down into the legs, and always wear a PFD, especially in cold water!!!!!!! SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim,  be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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I tried it myself a couple years ago when I was playing with the Buzz SOT, and stayed bone dry. I made a neoprene belt. i dunno about classIV+ swims. Those experiments ended when I found a nearly new Kokatat dry suit for $200. But this winter I’ll combine them for a real cold trip. Gregg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim, be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try neoprene waders under the dry suit. This would add a little more bulk and not all boats would have space. But putting the wader into the dry suit then donning the whole thing would eliminate wrestling with  the ankle gaskets. Feet would stay toasty dry, ass would also be warm and dry also and that alone should save lots of body heat. There might be excess air in the legs, but there wouldn’t be any reason not to walk out into 4′ feet of water for a quick burp out the neck gasket. This might actually be too warm for any padding when air temps aren’t below freezing, but that’s a risk I’d take. Risk of flooding would be exactly the same as the dry suit minus the waders . Maybe I should just get a thousand pair from China, slap on cool logos and sell them in Outside magazine for $200. Gregg

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hello- the deschutes can be tricky. one suggestion is to try to get a elks hair caddis to the fish working in back eddies. unless you are in a boat it can be tough getting a good drift-

snip Fishing from a floating devise is illegal on the lower Deschutes (below Warm Springs which includes Madras). Jim Jones For e-mail reply replace spam with sns

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Elkhairs caddis work most all the time down from Warm Springs thru Maupin. I really love PMDs in the summer.  Sometimes they hatch so thick they cover you with a carpet of wings! Always take a variety of other mayfly. When the water is low I love the stimmulators. Bill

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Two things: 1. It’s illegal to fish from a boat (the regs say "any floating device supporting the angler", or some such, ruling out rafts, pontoons, float tubes, … as well). A boat has the advantage of allowing you to cover more river, and to get to places which are difficult to reach on foot. 2. In general, you’ll have better luck with caddis larvae and pupae than with adults. I like to fish soft hacles or emergent sparkle pupae during a hatch… Stu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello- the deschutes can be tricky. one suggestion is to try to get a elks hair caddis to the fish working in back eddies. unless you are in a boat it can be tough getting a good drift- but if you can figure it out you will be rewarded. when nymphing be sure to get a drag free dead drift. i have only used floating lines on the deschutes so i can’t help with sinking line techniques. i’m pretty sure there is a flyshop in madras- you can ask them what nymphs are working best. in the past i have done well with an olive serendipity. be sure and be on the water at dusk- sometimes the fish go after the caddis flies and it can be a blast. greg

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: hello- : the deschutes can be tricky. one suggestion is to try to get a : elks hair caddis to the fish working in back eddies. unless you : are in a boat it can be tough getting a good drift- but if you : can figure it out you will be rewarded. Ummm… perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought it was against the regs to fish from a boat on the Deschutes? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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How do – Just wondering if anybody has some suggestions for working the Deschutes around Mecca Flats, in Eastern Oregon.  Dry vs Wet?  Floater vs sinker?  I’m relatively new to fly fishing, though no stranger to the NW river systems.  I was down there last weekend, and only brought in one trout.  I’m by no means discouraged, but want to file this away as a learning experience, and was wondering if any kind souls here could give an example of a ‘Deschutes Recipe for success’ for this time of year. I did have a great time, but it’s always better with more fish in the hand! Thanks, Adrian B.

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If you try "aggressive wading" where I fish in England, you will either be ejected by a very angry bailiff or you will drown within 3 feet of the bank.

Hello Peter, Thanks for the moral support. We Brits must stick together:-) — Bill

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Bill No problem. Maybe we should start our own NG, maybe call it "uk.rec.fishing.game"?? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

 Hello Peter, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks for the moral support. We Brits must stick together:-) — Bill

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Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!   If you really want to "put on the dog" and fool the other flyfishermen into thinking that you know what you’re doing out on the stream, it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe.

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Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!… …it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe. Negative. Chew tobacco or snuff. No smoke.

I would, but that Copenhagen keeps clogging my bong. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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  Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful?   JonCook.

Yeah, but it sounds to me like you’re jonesin’ for a butt. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -: Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!… : …it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe. : : Negative. Chew tobacco or snuff. No smoke. Yeah, yeah, they’re all the *cool* thing to do. You ain’t a *cool* flyfisherman without it. That is, until you can’t wade ’cause you’re draggin’ an oxygen bottle, or speakin’ through an electro-voice, or half your lower lip is missin’. (snip) . There is no form that is safe. The corporations that sell tobacco pursue highly deceitful campaigns designed to addict you to their product and to make large profits off of you for the rest of your albeit shorter life." Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful? JonCook.

OK Jon, you’re right.  That having been said, I am in the snuff catagory.   Can’t fish without it.  Besides, think how much I’ll save Medicare when I croak earlier than the other baby-boomers. Mark Faulkner

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OK Jon, you’re right.  That having been said, I am in the snuff catagory. Can’t fish without it.  Besides, think how much I’ll save Medicare when I croak earlier than the other baby-boomers. Mark Faulkner

Yup.  I’ve got to have a big chaw of Beechnut Wintergreen every other trip or so.   All that spitting cleanses the soul.   Now as for those trendy yuppies who like to wrap their lips around a big, fat, long cigar….  uh… never mind.   I think a certain Brian Keith covered that one already.   Bob Scott

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As a nonsmoker, I was just kidding about the pipe thing, but you have to admit that pipesmoking fly fisherman have that air about them.                To all you 15 year olds who may have read my post and then got the urge to light up, all I can say is "Just say no".

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Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!   If you really want to "put on the dog" and fool the other flyfishermen into thinking that you know what you’re doing out on the stream, it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe.

LOL!   Reminds me of an oft quoted saying my sis and I used during the huge influx of yuppie fly fishers a few years ago: "It doesn’t matter if you catch fish, as long as you look good." Max

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!… : …it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe. : : Negative. Chew tobacco or snuff. No smoke. Yeah, yeah, they’re all the *cool* thing to do. You ain’t a *cool* flyfisherman without it. That is, until you can’t wade ’cause you’re draggin’ an oxygen bottle, or speakin’ through an electro-voice, or half your lower lip is missin’. This isn’t directed at you, Jim, but at the whole thread. Geez, fellas, I thought we left this kinda talk back in high school. "Mandatory"? Give me a break. If you want to go smoke a pipe, fine, but there’s probably some 15-year olds reading this thread. For their sake, I’m going to add, "Tobacco, in any form, is highly addictive and cancerous. There is no form that is safe. The corporations that sell tobacco pursue highly deceitful campaigns designed to addict you to their product and to make large profits off of you for the rest of your albeit shorter life." Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful? JonCook.

   Yeah and cheap too. At least you know the value of your comments.

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Mr. Robert R. Hergan wrote Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!   If you really want to "put on the dog" and fool the other flyfishermen into thinking that you know what you’re doing out on the stream, it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe.

I’m sorry I don’t know the author of the following, but it’s a clever little ditty I encountered years ago and seems apropos. Tobacco is a filthy weed …I like it! It satisfies no common need …I like it! It’ll make ya fat    It’ll make ya lean It’ll take the hair right off your bean It’s the worst darn stuff I’ve ever seen …. …. …I like it!

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Fri, 24 Apr 1998 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, A. Gades Yeah, but it sounds to me like you’re jonesin’ for a butt.

Pardon me…? — Phil Jones

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Fri, 24 Apr 1998 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, A. Gades Yeah, but it sounds to me like you’re jonesin’ for a butt. Pardon me…?

A FAG Phil….?  Or does that also have a *peculiar* connotation? — Bill

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Which is worse, kid flyfishing smoking a cigar, or kid standing on street corner selling and using crack? Its coming to something when the original poster can’t ask a question (free speech??) without an anti jumping down his throat! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

 This isn’t directed at you, Jim, but at the whole thread. Geez, fellas, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I thought we left this kinda talk back in high school. "Mandatory"? Give me a break. If you want to go smoke a pipe, fine, but there’s probably some 15-year olds reading this thread. For their sake, I’m going to add, "Tobacco, in any form, is highly addictive and cancerous. There is no form that is safe. The corporations that sell tobacco pursue highly deceitful campaigns designed to addict you to their product and to make large profits off of you for the rest of your albeit shorter life." Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful? JonCook.

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If you try "aggressive wading" where I fish in England, you will either be ejected by a very angry bailiff or you will drown within 3 feet of the bank. Whilst I would agree that distance casting isn’t always necessary, it is an extremely useful tool to have at your disposal when required. Get some casting tuition so that you can cover the fish without extensive destruction of the river bed and fauna. If a fish is rising 25 yards out in a lake, unless you can walk on water you need to be able to cast to it. — Regards Peter Kay (Remove "nospam" to email)

:writes :aggressive wading :as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. :In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary. If :you intend wading deep, consider an automatically inflating vest – they :save lives! The further out you wade the further out go the fish! : :Tight lines :– :Bill

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writes aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing.

In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary. If you intend wading deep, consider an automatically inflating vest – they save lives! The further out you wade the further out go the fish! Tight lines — Bill

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Hi Ken, If you are moderately serious about fly fishing (meaning you have gone enough times to become addicted and know that this isn’t a passing fad!) I too recommend the Sage DS II starter set.  I bought one several years ago after upgrading from fiberglass.   I have been fly fishing 25+ years and it was a great rod to transition into the world of graphite with.  The price was right too.  At the time, it was $225 but I think it runs about $275 now.  This is a rod that you will be able to use all of your fishing life and I think that is an important variable to consider.   Another rod to look at if the above is more then you want to spend is the St. Croix line of rods.  Good stuff for less money.

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writes aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary.

[deleted] pussy. — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Expert at removing water from 35mm SLR’s.

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Aggressive wading, I love it – a few less fishermen – a few more fish. Love to get you down here in a couple of rivers I know to go aggressive wading, better wrap your cigar in something waterproof first. — Tony Bishop Fish with Bish Taupo, New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary. [deleted] pussy. — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Expert at removing water from 35mm SLR’s.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My name is Ken Hochdanner, from Columbus, Ohio.  I’m new to fly fishing and would appreciate some advise as to the rod and reel to start with.  Also, I need some advise with respect to waders/hip boots.  Which should I consider buying.  I listen to you guys talk, and I hear a lot about aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. Thanks in advance for the reply.  Oh, one more thing. Is it OK to smoke a cigar or two along with fly fishing? Thanks, Ken

     First things first, smole em if you gotem, if it were up to me it would be required. Next, rod reel. Agood starter setup from one of the mail order houses such as Cabela’s, L.L.Bean, or Orvis in the 6 to 8 wt class should get you started without hocking the wife and kids and give you a chance to see if you REALLY like it. That weight range in a 7 to 9′ rod is easy to learn with and most beginner sets are complete enough to add leader and fly (everything but fish). They all have websites.                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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Is this Adult Sex spam? Re the deep wading, I advise caution on the basis of an observed recent total immersion, redeemed by the employment of an automatically inflated vest. The unfortunate angler regrettably made no coherent notes of the fish population while he was submerged! Best wishes Mr Walker, — Bill

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Hi, Ken. Yes indeed there are many variables. Since you’re new, you probably don’t know what kind of fishing you’ll be doing. Take a class and try different rods to get a sense of it all. Even, here, though, you may not get a good sense of what you want out of fishing. I do some instructing, and my usual advice is to buy a starter set, particularly the sage starter, which is a 9 foot, 5 weight system in the Discovery Series of rods. This is an EXCELLENT rod that you can use anywhere, rivers, lakes, even stealhead (if they aren’t too big), some saltwater (wash the reel afterwards, and look out for kings). The line isn’t terrific, buy you probably won’t know this until you wear out the line and year from now. The reel is OK. The store person will set up the line, backing, leader, tippet for you (but you should eventually learn how to do this yourself). The whole set is something like $300, which in modern flyfishing terms is a good deal considering all the different components you fish. Everyone who has taken my advice have been very happy with the decision. In fact, when my rod breaks, I’ll probably buy the DS rod myself (and I’ve played with nearly all of them). This sport is ripe with marketing hype, myth and related BS–meaning you don’t need to spend a lot of money to be successful and happy with the sport. And, I forgot, spend a bunch of time in the library soaking up books on fish and fish habitats and less on your gear. In the end you’ll be smarter and happier fisher. The end, toney

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My name is Ken Hochdanner, from Columbus, Ohio.  I’m new to fly fishing and would appreciate some advise as to the rod and reel to start with.  Also, I need some advise with respect to waders/hip boots.  Which should I consider buying.  I listen to you guys talk, and I hear a lot about aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. Thanks in advance for the reply.  Oh, one more thing. Is it OK to smoke a cigar or two along with fly fishing? Thanks, Ken

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My name is Ken Hochdanner, from Columbus, Ohio.  I’m new to fly fishing and would appreciate some advise as to the rod and reel to start with.  Also, I need some advise with respect to waders/hip boots.  Which should I consider buying.  I listen to you guys talk, and I hear a lot about aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. Thanks in advance for the reply.  Oh, one more thing. Is it OK to smoke a cigar or two along with fly fishing?

Ken, …and then I’ll tell you the story of the world in five minutes:-) There are SOOOO many variables that it’s hard to start.   What are you fishing for?   How much do you have to spend?   How much time do you plan to spend on it?   Are you really into fishing in other ways, or is this something totally new to you? Waders vrs hip boots.    I’d go with waders AND SOS suspenders, or the equivalent, for safety.   The only thing I’ve used my hip boots for in the last ten years is putting my boat in and taking it out. "…aggressive wading…"   As you’ve seen, there’s been a lot of discussion about that term.    Suffice it to say that what the author most likely meant was that one should do a lot of repositioning and wading to get into a good spot to cast, rather than make long casts.   (Not all of us agree, or only agree partially.) Smoking: due more to 35+ years of experience than any natural talent, it’s a rare day when I, my sister and my brother-in-law don’t catch more fish than anyone else on the stream or lake, and we each smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day.   My biggest problem with it is having my leader or tippet hit the coal of my smoke…instant break.   Another problem is that it is almost axiomatic that when you’re taking it easy in a float tube, the fish wait until you’re busy lighting up to strike…I guess that’s some kind of fish humor…   (I sometimes put a bit of shrimp oil on nymphs, but haven’t seen that much difference in results.) There are lots of fishing web sites, including ones in your area, with tons of advice, but feel free to email me with questions.   I’m sure you’ll get a lot of response from those in this newsgroup. Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi "…there are only two things in life worth getting excited about, fly fishing is the other one…"

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I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone? Thanks for your help, Mike

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I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for

                                                        ^^^^^^ I’d suggest the Pacific, just for ease of access. — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University        Dept. of History                 "Nothing interesting occurred today…"         -Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806

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writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?

    In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?    In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

I show that the number is 503-642-4570 for Glenn Young. Don Chen Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers (Corvallis, Oregon)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?     In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

You can contact Glenn at (503) 642-4570.  I’ve fished with Glenn a number of times and he is top notch and his rates are very reasonable. Be SURE to try the searun cutthroat–best fly rod fish in the state!! Paul

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That’s a pretty good time of year to try sight fishing to steelhead in the "skinny water" high up on any of the coastal rivers.   Greg in Albany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October.  Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc.  I will also need a guide for one day.  Can anyone personally recommend someone?    In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

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   In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town.  Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland

Glenn Young’s number: Hackle and Hide Glenn Young  (503)642-4570

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I am finishing up a Masters degree in Film from American University and have been posed with the challenge of writing a ten-minute script illuminating the joys and tribulations of fly fishing–specifically, fly fishing for trout. Why fly fishing? Any response, e-mail or posted, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Chris Strobel Dear Chris; Because it is the best/only way to catch a trout after the middle of May when the critters start to focus-in on bugs. Thank-you.  That is all. Jason Beary

Chris,  for me its the ability not to have to leave the sport in the off season.  Tying flys, reading, studying the entomology and biology is fascinating, and it fills up snowy evenings – a glass of Merlot, a pattern book and a pile for fur and feathers – that I turn into a "bug" that will fool a fish.  Not such a lofty pursuit, but an absorbing one. jg Huntington NY

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Part of the lure(?? a pun)of flyfishing for me is that you are taking materials such as fur,feathers,yarn etc.which if cast upon the waters by themselves would produce nothing. If you take the same materials ,combine them in such a way,to create a fly,(which hopefully will resemble a natural)and present it to a fish,and the fish takes it..Well thats satisfying. I guess that it is that you are in complete control of part of the game(buying the materials,what you buy,your skill etc.)but once you put it on the water ,its up,to the fish.And the fish taking your fly or not is the measure of success or failure.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I am finishing up a Masters degree in Film from American University and have been posed with the challenge of writing a ten-minute script illuminating the joys and tribulations of fly fishing–specifically, fly fishing for trout.  Does it have something to do with the peacefulness of the stream, or is there a particular challenge to fly fishing that the rest of us don’t know about and wouldn’t understand?   Having never been much of a fisherman (other than the bluegill from a small lake in my childhood) I don’t have experience with fly fishing and was wondering if anyone would like to tell me why they do what they do… Why fly fishing? Any response, e-mail or posted, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Chris Strobel

Chris, "Penthouse" or "Playboy" would never ask a virgin to write a story about sex. And your question, why fly fishing?, sounds just about as silly as that virgin asking people, "why do you enjoy sex". Ya just gotta try it to underestand it! Do some research on your own, fishing that is. Take a leason or two, go fishing and then write your script. Short of that, you’re just writing an expos

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M. Gades) writes: I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could

be SOME TEXT DELETED So, where can we find your www home page? -tgades

RESPONSE: I understand your doubts howerer, I do not have a home page.  While I admit that I am a business, I am also a fisherman.  My educational background is in communication and I’d like to do some things for the NET. When the time comes for me to create a page, my page would still have to bear up to the scrutiny of the members of the Newsgroups.  I intend to make sure that voting is carried out by a third party like other CFV’s in the groups.  This is not motivated by greed!!!  

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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting.  What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen.

Good idea – go for it! You talk as if there is some seperate group of people we are dependent on to create WWW sites, but all the fishing sites I know of are fisherpersons’s personal work. That is the beauty (and nuisance) of WWW – it doesn’t take a multimillion$ corporation to create and broadcast work. Because what you’re seeing doesn’t go through any committee approval process, there’s quite a bit of variance in peoples’ works.  If you have funding to give some awards you can perhaps inspire people to create works more to your liking – tell us what you’d like to give us a little time before the voting starts. The Virtual Fly Shop that Mike Tucker has put together has a good directory to other fishing sites. It lists all the sites that Mike has read about here and on the listserver.  I don’t have the URL handy but it is posted here on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly often. If you have an idea, put a few hours into learning HTML and get started. I was able to learn enough and make my site in a weekend with the NCSA Simple HTML editor for Hypercard/Mac. If you don’t use Macintosh your timing couldn’t be better; I hear that windows PCs can now do graphics and there are free HTML editors available for them too.  ;) If you need someone to host it and cannot find an affordable site, let me know and I can put you in contact.   Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML Also while your there, check out the ProArts Eastbay Open Studios web site: http://www.lanminds.com/local/proarts.html (I didn’t make this but it was my idea and I’m damn proud of it)

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AMI News has created a centralized source of outdoor information that includes links to various fishing pages. As a news organization we are trying to find fishing conditions from around the world along with other interesting fishing information that appeals to a wide range of readers.   We invite you to submit any and all web sites for consideration. There is NO CHARGE to link. We also invite any fishing site to link with the AMI Rec Network. Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami Thanks, Rob Brown Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami

My netscape reports no DNS entry to be found for www.aminews.com.    

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I’d like to submit my homepage.  It is relatively new, but I will be doing lots of work on it over the next few weeks.  I focus on flyfishing and I live and fish mostly in Oregon, but fish often in Idaho, and take trips to Washington, California, Montana, just got back from the Green River in Utah, and a Red fish excursion to New Orleans.   http://www.teleport.com/~anthonyn thanks, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AMI News has created a centralized source of outdoor information that includes links to various fishing pages. As a news organization we are trying to find fishing conditions from around the world along with other interesting fishing information that appeals to a wide range of readers.   We invite you to submit any and all web sites for consideration. There is NO CHARGE to link. We also invite any fishing site to link with the AMI Rec Network. Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami Thanks, Rob Brown Webmaster

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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting.  What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen. It seems like everyday, there is a posting on where to find good WWW information.  This process will serve to organize and rate the various offerings out there and help make the info available to all.  Later, we could possibly create a home page as an index to the best stuff out there. Please confine comment to the newsgroups as I think I would get swamped with E-Mail at this point.  I will be sharing more details of my Idea in a few days but I just want to get discussion going.

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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting.  What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen. SOME TEXT DELETED

So, where can we find your www home page? -tgades

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