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anyone have any experience with swift canoes. am looking at the temegami wondering how initial stability is needed for two large people to fish off of

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I’m quite familiar with Swift Canoes (Mattawa, Kip, Winisk, all the solos, Mad, and Dumo).  The Temagami is a new boat (2000), that is similair to a Winisk in most dimensions, however is wider, deeper and has less bow rocker and more stern rocker.  That means that it will carry a bit more, be a bit slower and will have less stern drag.  The Winisk is a very nice boat.  It may not be my favorite tripping boat, but it is quick when properly trimmed and it has lots of flare for dryness, and soft chines to eliminate catching on waves.  Generally speaking the Winisk is a very nice canoe. As for balance the Winisk is easy to balance, however it exhibits the same old Swift wiggle you get in most of the Winters designed boats. It often puts first time paddler off.  What I’m speaking about is the wiggle in the initial stability that the boat develops with each stroke while paddling.  It’s hard to describe, but it is more of a feeling than anything else.  Once you paddle a mile or so you won’t feel it, but it is noticeable after paddling other boats that don’t wiggle.  The Winisk and all Swifts have impeccable secondary stability, a practiced paddler can put the one rail well below the water surface and not loose stability in a swift boat.  This is useful when executing sharp apex turns.  Swifts track well and compare well against similair canoes in all matters of performance. I recommend you take one for a paddle, try a Winisk too.  For that matter try a Bell Northwind, or a MRC Horizon, or several 17-18′ We-No- Nahs too (Sundower, Jensen, Minnesota II, Odyssey, and Champlain. Western Canoeing als makes a few comparable boats. PK Before you buy.

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I’ll second everything that PK said.  I own the Winter-designed, 18-foot Swift Cirrus, 54 pounds in an expedition kevlar layup. The initial stability is poor.  The boat freely rocks through about 5 degrees with each stroke and scares beginners but it can be heeled until the gunwales are wet and just gets tighter and tighter as the angle increases.  I fly fish standing up in it. The quality of construction is superb with beautiful contrasting wood work for thwarts, seats and yoke.  Outfitting is thoughtful, with a sliding bow seat, molded-in flotation chambers with valves that can open to allow compensation for temperature expansion of the air inside and a nicely contoured carrying yoke. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Michael A. Barbalic writes: anyone have any experience with swift canoes. am

looking at the temegami wondering how initial stability is needed for two large people to fish off of

There are several Swift Canoe models listed among the reader’s gear reiviews at http://www.paddling.net/ , but not the model you mention in your post. You may find them useful anyway. Good luck! " If clean air and water and a healthy environment have not harmed you, please reciprocate."

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Good point on the yoke, Tommy,  But I gotta tell you opt for the optional Shadow Yoke.  It’s worth it’s weight in Ash.  Your shoulders will thank you.  You will be thankful for years that you didn’t cheese on that one!! PK Before you buy.

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PK, I think fitting a yoke is like fitting shoes.  When I bought my Cirrus at Collinsville Canoe and Kayak in Connecticut, they had three different contoured and one padded yoke models (not all Swift) in the store.  I carried a boat with each of them and then selected the Swift "Teal".  I liked it so well that I bought two more "Teals" to retrofit into other canoes. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Michael: I’m not familiar with the Temagami but I have owned 2 Swift Kipawa’s.  My current boat is one of the two. I think that they are fantastic boats.  Very well designed.  Great secondary stablility – as pointed out by other posters. Swift’s construction is impeccable IMHO and so is their customer service. I would suggest going out to one of their outdoor events if you can and paddling their boats.  Alternatively if you can make it to the Dwight store, Oxtounge lake is right in their backyard. One thing I would suggest is that if they don’t have the exact boat in stock that you are looking for (Trim, colour ect.), wait for it.  I’m sure that they will gladly set you up with a loaner if it takes a few weeks to build your dream boat. BTW:  I highly recommend their cherry trim.  It’s a wonderful wood.. quite pleasing to the eye . Good luck, -Aamer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – anyone have any experience with swift canoes. am looking at the temegami wondering how initial stability is needed for two large people to fish off of

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Yep the Cherry is nice, but I can tell you for a fact that if you plan to run whitewater in your boat, buy the ash.  It’s much stronger for the same weight. I had a friend that outfit his Dumo with cherry thwarts and yoke.  He went through the yoke, and two thwarts of cherry with only a good buise.  Sure it was lucky for him that he didn’t break his legs, buttttttttt…..  Thwarts shouldn’t break that easily PK Before you buy.

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Thanks Frank.`Little stores like this are why we enjoy ROFF. Big Dale

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Thanks for sharing that with us.  Oh how I can relate.  Those Panfish are real stress relievers. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there.  The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation.  You need a success.  Out of the cubicle farm and on the road.  Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard.     You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway.  Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work.  In that little pond, you know there is a big fish.  One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment.  If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out.     You get on the water and work it like a journeyman.  Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle.  You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader.  You test the knot, not once but twice.  Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots.  You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern.  You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove.     You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from.  You toss him back.  He’s not the target today.  You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank.     You catch a fair size bluegill.  You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook.  You don’t toss him in, you  bend down and let him slide in the water.  He dashes to cover.  You continue to cast.     There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings.  You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips.     You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies.  You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years.  The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor.  Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died.     You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive.  You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line.  You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious.  Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success.  That big fish.     As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter.  He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags.  The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond.     Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond.  They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow.  Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep.  No more hits, nothing rising.  You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success.  But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds.     You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring.  You did enjoy many little successes.  Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one.  As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes.  Ying and yang.  The pond is asleep now.  Its time for you to let it rest.  Even fishermen need sleep.                                     Frank Reid

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When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable.  :) good job Peter

    That’s harsh, really harsh.  When I first saw it, I thought it was the East Coast version of the California condor.  It kept circling above me. Things that make you go hmmmm..                                     Frank "Carrion Baggage" Reid

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    The day was stressful. … Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry

When I first started reading, I thought that the LifeFlight was just getting ready for the inevitable.  :) good job Peter

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Nice report Frank,  a little sanity in the midst of madness eh ? TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed

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    The day was stressful. …

Nice write up, thanks. Too bad about the stress on the new job but I sure am happy to hear you had an injury free fishing outing for a change. — Ken Fortenberry

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    The day was stressful.  Allot of little failures.  A deadline missed here, some on didn’t come through there.  The person you need to get that report done is off on vacation.  You need a success.  Out of the cubicle farm and on the road.  Gonna hit that fishin’ hole and gonna hit it hard.     You can’t go far, traffic is snarled and the LifeFlight ambulance is landing on the freeway.  Your choice is made, the little pond just a mile or so from work.  In that little pond, you know there is a big fish.  One that will test the limits of your skill and your equipment.  If you land him, that will be the success you need to make up for those stressful little failures that hit you in the face, day in and day out.     You get on the water and work it like a journeyman.  Evaluate the weather, the water, your flies and terminal tackle.  You pick the perfect fly, a prince nymph and knot it on the leader.  You test the knot, not once but twice.  Like a machine you unconsciously run the leader through your fingers and feel for knicks and wind knots.  You decide its good and proceed to pound the banks and work the perfect fan pattern.  You start to your left, right up against the bank and move out at three foot intervals, you are a machine in the groove.     You catch a little sunnie, he’s as warm as the water he comes from.  You toss him back.  He’s not the target today.  You continue the fan pattern and then move down the bank.     You catch a fair size bluegill.  You feel his warmth in your hand as you gently remove the barbless hook.  You don’t toss him in, you  bend down and let him slide in the water.  He dashes to cover.  You continue to cast.     There are some beautiful dragonflies touching down on the water, emerald bluegreen bodies with pitch black wings.  You notice that when they open their wings there is a little white spot on the inside tips.     You catch a small bass, 11 inches that will grow ever larger when the story is told with your fishing buddies.  You think about the people you’ve fished with over the years.  The friends that understood your passion, as they too were imbued with the same fervor.  Some have gone on, like old Elmer who made his own lures and took you fishing after your Dad died.     You pound the water hard, that big fish is elusive.  You cast and, as you fly sinks into the water, a good fish jumps over your line.  You can’t buy a big fish, but the sunnies, bluegill, crappie and 10 to 12 inch bass are coming fast and furious.  Each one looks at you, "will you let me go?" Of course, you’re not here on a meat hunt, you just need that success.  That big fish.     As the evening wears on, you see that each little fish is a fighter.  He is trying to stay where he is against unbeatable odds, graphite rods, modern fly lines, disc drags.  The sky turns a burnt orange as the last rays of the Sun fall on the pond.     Night closes in fast, there is that last burst of energy from the fish in the pond.  They strike your fly like there’s no tomorrow.  Then the pond suddenly goes to sleep.  No more hits, nothing rising.  You continue to cast, in hopes that you’ll get that big success.  But there is no big win. A muskrat swims in front of you. You watch as he moves in a determined line toward the reeds.     You didn’t get that big success, the big fish, the brass ring.  You did enjoy many little successes.  Each fish that fell to the flies that you tied, the wonder of those dragonflies, the color of the sky and the water as they became one.  As with your day of little failures, it was an evening of little successes.  Ying and yang.  The pond is asleep now.  Its time for you to let it rest.  Even fishermen need sleep.                                     Frank Reid

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I am getting my rest for my body as I am working it real hard to try and make my medicine for this year and the end of next years grow cycle. Sunlight is free and untaxed so far. The DEA/Sheriff is doing flybys with their helicopter today looking at my backyard and the plants that are there. These are the same guys who did all the damage to my property last year. The first time they busted me – hey it was a mistake – they didn’t know. The second time they busted me – hey I am a dumbshit hot dog cop who don’t know courtesy, respect, constitutional rights or the law – so Judge cut me some slack. The third time they bust me, if there is a third time, they start saying words like harassment and prejudice and malicious prosecution. Hey, I am just the 21st patient in Sonoma County, there are oldtimers ahead of me in the system – and they are now being taken to task on the second filing of the same old charge or a new filing on a second charge. The affirmative defense is not usefull as they contend I am growing "too much" for my 16 pounds over 2 years need.  (I am in the average range of 6 to 8 pounds a year, or about 3 kilos) So they need an expert court hearing. And they wont do it, over 4 years not one patient in Sonoma County has been to jury trial and no law is being made by the D.A. as he refuses to do so. And the DA will not make policy over these same four years dispite being encouraged by the law to make one. The DA himself will tell you there is no policy he himself dont know when a patient is a patient or is growing a legal or illegal amount – he the DA dont know the law. Cause he wont make it. So he harasses the patients all he can. Until a Judge starts to say this legal harassment is harassment legally speaking. They can file three charges and dismiss them over as many years or more – and never do anything to you except cost you alot of money. No money – you a dead man walking in the good ol U S of A. Just ask OJ. sumbuddie said it I hope you are doing ok, take the best of care, spike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Alan; You know while watching the media circus outside that texas prison, it really hit me. It’s not justice these folks are involved with it’s pure politics. Like oj walked cuz rodney king was filmed. You live in perhaps the most advanced state on earth and ppl are basing their decisions on what will make the ppl with money happier. It’s also scary. The war on drugs snares a survivor, helping survivors, it’s like drift nets raping the ocean. It’s crazy, alan. They are planting miles of poppies in mexico, you can go to a hardware store and make ecstasy but a harmless herb to help suffering takes money away from the serious problems we all face. It’s really really stupid, they could end a serious social problem (filling the courts with a spice) they should be consulting with you and not bothering you and wasting money.  This is all political, and in my view a vicuous attack on a caring man. It’s kinda amazing really, you able to actually do it. It’s medical grade. The male plants are no good i know that. And some strains are not good for certain illnesses. I saw this lady fron CA and she was saying that a few caring ppl were taking it upon themselves to do the work and they were interupted by the DA. That is what they should do. Say Gosh alan you can do something we really can’t. Can you record the info and share as it would make life cheaper and easier for suffering ppl? But nope they are stupid and like to spend money and make others rich. In place, are all the things to solve this problem, only politics and money are more important than ppl. The drought that is starting is going to cause real troubles, if the leader in inovation CA., keeps this trend of prisons and jails outspending education, we are screwed so far the tech from the schools in this area has allowed us to stay ahead of the climate changes. The political situation must change fast. Just about everything has come from the coast. But it’s shifting to the far east. If they didn’t jerk around with ppl like you this would not happen. It’s really that simple. Many of the very early warnings from the cyberpunk community are now being played out. All info should be free and the more unfair it gets the greater the need. Spending tax money to screw with you just sealed it for me. What they do is wrong. You speaking out against the all powerful christian right, is in more ways god’s work, and is akin to the fundamental principals of religion and spiritulality. And god know alan, they are just nailing you to a very public cross. All i can say is they must be stoned, for trying this crap. I hope you are doing ok, take the best of care, spike

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Hi Alan; It’s my view that the money spent by the sonoma county sherrifs dept would be better used to stop child abuse that is occuring as they flutter about your private space. But that will not happen untill pigs fly, right. So they are spending tax dollars taking pics counting how many and then take it to da mullins the brain dead sick fuck? You know, if it’s not that, they are hoping to get you pissed and are thinking hey this guy may get upset about the Huey in his backyard. I’d request the fcc and the faa turn over the radio transmissions and flight plan (about 117.00 to 121.000mhz. on the rf scanner) Are they actually filing a flight plan to your home? Like this is just sick and a gross waste if tax dollars. If they are abuse this machine they don’t really need it. I bet old sargent, is hoping you are a nut and go out their with an m16 and say take that imperial nazi’s. I think they are stupid and it’s ppl like da mullins who redirect money from violence reduction into harrisment. They are not part of the solution and you know what that means. It’s no secret that the area north of toronto is one big pot garden. I’ve been fishing and walked into a plot. I suspect it’s actually like this, you can have pot, but you must support corruption, you doing what the courts and scientists say (grow it yourself cuz you know what is on or in it) and that cuts into the profits of ppl. Who? Just look up, i’m always sad when ppl are so niave that they don’t know the truth. The police actually break the laws?…when pigs fly they think. Well when the pigs fly shit hits the fan.  Police lie in court i know that, but to use a piece of pricey machinery to bother a survivor is really illegal this stuff can damage election bids and tag ppl as corrupt. I’m sorry that some ppl are stupid alan. They do it to neil young and bob dylan also. I don’t think they can encrypt air traffic radio, listen to them if they drop by. I can tell you the exact frequency if you wish. Cuz unless there are reasons they are breaking laws and really should flock off and leave you alone. Besides this kinda stuff is alarming. Perhaps they are drunk or stoned themselves, there is no reason for this, so i/we must explore other reasons. And the thing is helicoptors don’t glide very well. So if they are up there without reason, they could be under the influence, of some thing or one, and gosh they could crash into your back yard or home. When it gets to the malicious point which i think it has, they have lost their way and case. They hauled your ass off? That is done to put you into a situation in which you can get in big trouble, they failed. They are flying spending big money and that got them 7 years of ppl knowing what this DA allows or directs tax dollars. Stay strong you are the winner, in the moral and ethical issues of this whole terribly unfair nightmare. What i have learned alan is the judges are not like the cops or da, they are like regular ppl and stupid is stupid. What they are doing is stupid. But in a weird way it’s for the best (at your expense) when this stuff gets back to the ppl of your area they think ewww, this is creepy what kind of sick ppl have we got in power. You are right they are wrong, i wanna see if your system is working and you are freeded from this crap asap. So they are playing stupid and acting as the stalk and leaves are medical pot? They are not to bright if they think a jury or judge will side with stupidity. Oh wait oh course it’s that they will not go before a judge or jury. It’s very said. They are saying suffer or support the mafia. They just don’t like the thrid option that saves ppl from suffering, helps stop organized crime and frees up police for real crimes and not social issues. This mullins is a stupid puppet, or corrupt, in my opinion both. Stay strong, maybe take up breading pigions, that may keep them high enough to assist them in not causing further damages of all sorts. Your pal, spike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting my rest for my body as I am working it real hard to try and make my medicine for this year and the end of next years grow cycle. Sunlight is free and untaxed so far. The DEA/Sheriff is doing flybys with their helicopter today looking at my backyard and the plants that are there. These are the same guys who did all the damage to my property last year. The first time they busted me – hey it was a mistake – they didn’t know. The second time they busted me – hey I am a dumbshit hot dog cop who don’t know courtesy, respect, constitutional rights or the law – so Judge cut me some slack. The third time they bust me, if there is a third time, they start saying words like harassment and prejudice and malicious prosecution. Hey, I am just the 21st patient in Sonoma County, there are oldtimers ahead of me in the system – and they are now being taken to task on the second filing of the same old charge or a new filing on a second charge. The affirmative defense is not usefull as they contend I am growing "too much" for my 16 pounds over 2 years need.  (I am in the average range of 6 to 8 pounds a year, or about 3 kilos) So they need an expert court hearing. And they wont do it, over 4 years not one patient in Sonoma County has been to jury trial and no law is being made by the D.A. as he refuses to do so. And the DA will not make policy over these same four years dispite being encouraged by the law to make one. The DA himself will tell you there is no policy he himself dont know when a patient is a patient or is growing a legal or illegal amount – he the DA dont know the law. Cause he wont make it. So he harasses the patients all he can. Until a Judge starts to say this legal harassment is harassment legally speaking. They can file three charges and dismiss them over as many years or more – and never do anything to you except cost you alot of money. No money – you a dead man walking in the good ol U S of A. Just ask OJ. sumbuddie said it I hope you are doing ok, take the best of care, spike Hi Alan; You know while watching the media circus outside that texas prison, it really hit me. It’s not justice these folks are involved with it’s pure politics. Like oj walked cuz rodney king was filmed. You live in perhaps the most advanced state on earth and ppl are basing their decisions on what will make the ppl with money happier. It’s also scary. The war on drugs snares a survivor, helping survivors, it’s like drift nets raping the ocean. It’s crazy, alan. They are planting miles of poppies in mexico, you can go to a hardware store and make ecstasy but a harmless herb to help suffering takes money away from the serious problems we all face. It’s really really stupid, they could end a serious social problem (filling the courts with a spice) they should be consulting with you and not bothering you and wasting money.  This is all political, and in my view a vicuous attack on a caring man. It’s kinda amazing really, you able to actually do it. It’s medical grade. The male plants are no good i know that. And some strains are not good for certain illnesses. I saw this lady fron CA and she was saying that a few caring ppl were taking it upon themselves to do the work and they were interupted by the DA. That is what they should do. Say Gosh alan you can do something we really can’t. Can you record the info and share as it would make life cheaper and easier for suffering ppl? But nope they are stupid and like to spend money and make others rich. In place, are all the things to solve this problem, only politics and money are more important than ppl. The drought that is starting is going to cause real troubles, if the leader in inovation CA., keeps this trend of prisons and jails outspending education, we are screwed so far the tech from the schools in this area has allowed us to stay ahead of the climate changes. The political situation must change fast. Just about everything has come from the coast. But it’s shifting to the far east. If they didn’t jerk around with ppl like you this would not happen. It’s really that simple. Many of the very early warnings from the cyberpunk community are now being played out. All info should be free and the more unfair it gets the greater the need. Spending tax money to screw with you just sealed it for me. What they do is wrong. You speaking out against the all powerful christian right, is in more ways god’s work, and is akin to the fundamental principals of religion and spiritulality. And god know alan, they are just nailing you to a very public cross. All i can say is they must be stoned, for trying this crap. I hope you are doing ok, take the best of care, spike

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A while back there was a posting that had this open or active portal concept. It was set up at a college or something and dealt with fly fishing. Does anybody still have the link for it? Thanks in advance, — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

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Thank you if you bothered to answer me. I finally found it. Here is the link if anyone is interested. http://www.active-portal.com/cgi-bin/genpage?cat=1031242&page=1&verbo… — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back there was a posting that had this open or active portal concept. It was set up at a college or something and dealt with fly fishing. Does anybody still have the link for it? Thanks in advance, — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

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Anyone know good spots in the Utica / Rome /Herkimer area?? Thanks Dave

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Dave, West Canada Creek is pretty good, as is Fly Creek between Cooperstown and Index on Rte 28.  If you head a little farther down into the Oneonta – Morris area both Otego Creek (Rte 205 & Cty Rte 11) and Butternut Creek in Morris right next to the Fairgrounds are also pretty good for small steam fishing. Hope this helps C. Segina

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I’m an italian fly fisherman,i will be in Vancouver for the next August i need some address of fly fishing shops, thanks Massimiliano

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I’m an italian fly fisherman,i will be in Vancouver for the next August i need some address of fly fishing shops, thanks Massimiliano i do not know which vancouver you are asking about (B.C. or WA), both have great fishing nearby.  if you meant vancouver, wa you might try The Greased Line Fly Shop at 360-573-9383.  i have been in a couple times and they are knowledgeable in the ways of steelhead. Enjoy the west coast while you’re out here.  If you meant BC, forget this message

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I’m an italian fly fisherman,i will be in Vancouver for the next August i need some address of fly fishing shops, thanks Massimiliano

If Vancouver BC: Babcock’s 931-5044 Michael & Young’s 588-2833 Outdoors unlimited 463-0707 Ruddick’s 434-2420(Burnaby) or 681-3747 (Granville Island – downtown) Terminal Tackle 536-4665 B.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m an italian fly fisherman,i will be in Vancouver for the next August i need some address of fly fishing shops, thanks Massimiliano If Vancouver BC: Babcock’s 931-5044 Michael & Young’s 588-2833 Outdoors unlimited 463-0707 Ruddick’s 434-2420(Burnaby) or 681-3747 (Granville Island – downtown) Terminal Tackle 536-4665 B.

Ruddicks in Burnaby will be moving soon.  They have a sale on stuff ’til the end of the month. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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  Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly   Ruddicks in Burnaby will be moving soon.  They have a sale on stuff ’til   the end of the month.

How does (did) the Burnaby branch compare to the Granville Island store in terms of selection etc.  I’ve never been to that branch. thanks,         -tony — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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SNIP How does (did) the Burnaby branch compare to the Granville Island store in terms of selection etc.  I’ve never been to that branch. thanks,         -tony — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

Burnaby store is older, larger, more stuff, more selection, less swanky.  They also offer fly tying classes there.                         -cheers — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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:   Ruddicks in Burnaby will be moving soon.  They have a sale on stuff ’til :   the end of the month. : How does (did) the Burnaby branch compare to the Granville Island : store in terms of selection etc.  I’ve never been to that branch. The store out in Burnaby was "the big one", while the one on Granville Island was a small one meant to snag a few bucks from the large number of folks who go down to the island daily. Not certain why they’re closing out that location. I like Michael & Young; I also visit a little place called "Hanson’s" (perhaps "Hansen’s") in the high-rent district in downtown Van (it’s on Hornby, I believe, only a couple of blocks from my employer’s corporate offices in the Waterfron Centre). Not big, few tying supplies, but you can buy a rod and a few flies, or book a guide who can speak Japanese or Cantonese or German. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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For Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada I would recommend my favorite, Michael & Young Flyshop in Surrey, a suburb of Vancouver.(604-588-2833) The shop is a short walk (1/2 mile) from the Surrey skytrain station by Surrey Centre Mall (30 min. skytrain ride from downtown).  They supply equipment and excellent advice to flyfishermen looking for action locally, at  not too distant hotspots like Kamloops, Merritt, or Vancouver Island (2-3 hrs drive) or even in exotic places like Mexico.  Ruddicks Fly Shop in Burnaby (another suburb) may be closer and is supposed to provide similar service, though I haven’t been there. (604-434-2420) Hope you enjoy your trip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m an italian fly fisherman,i will be in Vancouver for the next August i need some address of fly fishing shops,

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I’m an italian fly fisherman,i will be in Vancouver for the next August i need some address of fly fishing shops, thanks Massimiliano

For Vancouver BC try Hanson’s Fishing Outfitters, 102-580 Hornby Street, in downtown Vancouver. Ph 604 684 8988.  They also have a web site but I don’t know the URL. Peter Sealy

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Hi guys-    Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

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Hi guys-   Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months.                 a. wayne harrison

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison

        No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word. -Me

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison         No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word.

I do not. RE: Fish in Caves… Once I was in a cave in Colorado that had running water in it (on an extended backpacking rip)…it was FULL of brookies…wierd little huge jawed brookies…that would hit anything. We ate a lot of them… We kept ‘em alive on a stringer…bonk one…cut off the head…insert weenie stick along spine and cook like a marshmallow.  DELICIOUS ! TimW

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Try contacting  Hock-Heng Pro Fishing in Singapore , they are pretty knowledgable from what I remember . Unfortunately I do not have their contact information anymore , but remember the name . G

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, your statement is not altogether true. Do you remember a few years ago of a virus spreading on a UNIX machines across the Internet ? As I recall the virus was spread in a ‘mail’ message and took advantage of an application bug which utilized gets to read the input. Understanding how stack frames are built and their relationship to buffers of automatic scope, it is easy to see how this was done. My apologies to the readers for deviating from FF’ing ! -Dan-

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

The Goot Times Virus is a hoax. You can only get a virus if you download an executable file and run it. You won’t contract a virus by simply viewing e-mail

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message. —

"A Bad Day Fishing Is Better Than A Good Day At Work" Web Page:  http://www.tiac.net/users/macaw

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A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House Cookies. Mike Rophone I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

This is a well known hoax.  Here’s some additional info for the curious. -Dave  email virus is a hoax!       If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ.             G o o d   T i m e s   V i r u s  H o a x        F r e q u e n t l y   A s k e d   Q u e s t i o n s                             by Les Jones                         Febraury 6, 1996      This information may be freely reproduced in any medium,             as long as the information is unmodified. February 6, 1995 Update The Good Times virus hoax keeps on going. I receive almost daily reports of hoax activity. I’m reposting the FAQ to relevant newsgroups, and I’ve set up my own web pages: http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-faq.html http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-mini-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-mini-faq.html The FAQ has been updated with current URLs and a new section discussing the Word macro virus. A call to educators and translators If you teach classes or write books about the Internet, I encourage to educate people about Good Times. The Good Times myth is not going away anytime soon, so we should start including it in Internet curriculum now. The FAQ is free for redistribution in any medium, so feel free to integrate it into any class materials or published works. Good Times has spread to many countries, and has been translated into many languages. If you are bilingual, you can help debunk Good Times by translating the FAQ into another language. If you do translate the FAQ, please let me know the URL so I can include it in the FAQ. Is the Good Times email virus a hoax? Yes. It was a hoax in November of 1994, and it’s still a hoax in February of 1996. America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online References at the end of the FAQ. Since the hoax began in November of 1994, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there been a single verified case of a viral attack. Why should I believe the FAQ instead of the hoax? Unlike the warnings that have been passed around, the FAQ is signed and dated. I’ve included my email address, and the email addresses of contributors, for verification. I’ve also provided online references at the end of the FAQ so that you can confirm this information for yourself. I’m new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax? The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email. Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer’s processor. Needless to say, it’s a hoax, but a lot of people believed it. The original message ended with instructions to "Forward this to all your friends," and many people did just that. Warnings about Good Times have been widely distributed on mailing lists, Usenet newsgroups, and message boards. The original hoax started in early December of 1994. It sprang up again in March of 1995. In mid-April, a new version of the hoax that mentioned a FCC report began circulating. Worried that Good Times would never go away, I decided to write the FAQ. These worries proved valid when the hoax began popping up again in October of 1995. What is the effect of the hoax? For those who already know it’s a hoax, it’s a nuisance to read the repeated warnings. For people who don’t know any better, it causes needless concern and lost productivity. The virus hoax infects mailing lists, bulletin boards, and Usenet newsgroups. Worried system administrators needlessly worry their employees by posting dire warnings. The hoax is not limited to the United States. It has appeared in several English-speaking and non-English-speaking countries. One reader sent me an English transcription of a radio broadcast in Malta. ‘infection’ I came across all tended to result from the message getting into the hands of senior non-computing personnel. Those with the ability and authority to spread it widely, without the knowledge to spot its nonsensical content." Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments, and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at numerous colleges. The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the Department of Defense, the FCC, NASA, the USDA, U.S. Census Bureau, and various national labs. I’ve confirmed outbreaks at the Department of Health and Human Services, though they had the good sense to question the hoax, and ask for more information on Usenet, before passing the hoax along to their employees. The virus hoax has occasionally escaped into the popular media. Tom Sullivan show on KFBK 1530 AM radio in Sacramento, California, a police officer warned listeners not to read email labeled "Good Times", and to report the sender to the police. Other radio stations, including Australia’s ABC radio, have also spread the hoax. There are scattered reports of the virus spreading via Faxnet, that low-tech network of secretaries and bored knowledge workers that traffics in cartoons and dumb blonde jokes. What was the CIAC bulletin? On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy’s CIAC (Computer Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the address in Online References at the end of the FAQ. Note that the document went through several minor revisions, with 94-04c of December 8 being the most recent. Like all quoted material in the FAQ, it includes the original spelling and punctuation. Because some of the lines in the CIAC report are rather long, they will appear broken. —-Begin quoted material—- THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes.    | |                                                                          | |  Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on   | | America Online being sent by E-Mail.  If you get anything called "Good    | | Times", DON’T read it or download it.  It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive.  Forward this to all your friends.  It may help them a lot.   | THIS IS A HOAX.  Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer. This rumor has been spreading very widely.  This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message. There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body.  Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message).  This person then spread his alert. As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message.  For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message.  Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team —-End quoted material—- Note: Karyn is now with Cisco. Her new email address is The CIAC report was wrong when it stated that the hoax was started by "a user of America Online and a student at a university." See "Who started the hoax." What’s the first version of the warning (FYI)? I have an early version of the hoax … read more »

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drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

A virus cannot damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned.

Agreed Tight lines, Jay Whitworth

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan J&J Flies http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/jjflies/jjflies.htm & Center for Biofilm Engineering http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message.

If there were such a thing as a Good Times virus, it would probably be a lot more dangerous if it were renamed the WARNING!!! virus. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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: It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the : "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Sorry bud, Craig Shergold died about 3 years ago.  Guess he didn’t get enough cards.  This time it’s Biff Maloney, but the card still goes to the same address.  I guess it’s just a bad luck bed. : Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House : Cookies. Yeah, because everyone has the Mrs. Fields cookie recipe.   : I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon                  ^^^^ Brought to you by the letters ACLU and EEF. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan

Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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Does any one have any info on landlock flies?techniques they would like to share It would be greatly apreciated.                                         Adam Ford

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 (Adam Ford) writes: Does any one have any info on landlock flies?techniques they would like to share It would be greatly apreciated.

Standards: 1–streamers that imitate smelt, in rivers in spring (when smelt spawn) and trolling in lakes all year, 2–small Muddlers in white water, 3–matching the hatch of dries or nymphs, when trout-like feeding can be observed, 4–big nymphs in deep pockets (Charles Brooks style). —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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Adam, Joe Jack who lives here in Burke VA introduced to me to spring fishing for Landlocks in Maine at Wheaton’s Lodge on East Grand Lake (Canadian Border).  We fished with "tandem" streamer flies.  These are large streamers with a second trailing hook to get the ones who "short strike" the fly.  He also ties single hook versions for the rivers.  The tandem flies are "trolled" from a canoe with your fly rod and about half of your fly line out the back of the canoe.  He sells flies whoesale and retail.  Contact me separately for his phone number.  Wheaton’s Lodge was great.  I had my own cabin with 3/4 bath, wood stove and 3 home cooked meals a day for $75/day.  Guides are $115/day for 2 fisherman.   Boat and motor can be rented for $35/day.  I can’t wait to go back. Bill A.

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This past summer I did some trolling with flies for landlocked salmon in Maine in July.  We trolled with lead core lines to get down 20+ feet.  I used and old bamboo bait rod and antique pflueger summit bait reel.  You don’t get as good a fight with the lead core but you can still get down to the big ones in the lakes with flies.  We used tube flies tied on copper tubes.  These were new to me but I think they’re really cool.  We tied standard traditional streamer patterns on them and strung them on a short shock tippet attached to a small treble hook.  Use a plastic tube (aquarium tubing) to make a releasable connector at rear of fly tube.  I tied a few strands of silver flashabou and some white marabou on the treble hooks.  Deadly!  My buddy makes his tube flies on heavier copper conduit tube, about 3/8" diameter and permanently attaches the treble with spring steel wire running through the tube,  truly lures, definitely not fly fishing be careful in special regulation areas.   Normally I stick with the real traditional patterns.  A great reference book is Trolling Flies for Trout and Salmon by Dick Stewart and Bob Leeman distributed by the Stephen Green Press Fessenden Rd. Brattleboro VT 05301 and Universal Vise Corp16 Union Ave, Westfield MA. 01085. E-Mail me if I can tie some flies for you or if you have any questions. Landlocks are the best!  Catch and release Dave Wood

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I’ll be turkey hunting in the florida area next week and was wondering if anyone has any experiance fishing the cold upstream of rte 2. Ive never fished it but seen it deep in the woods and it looks tasty but I never threw a fly there. Any info would be great!! P.S. I dont mind walking

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: I’ll be turkey hunting in the florida area next week and was wondering if : anyone has any experiance fishing the cold upstream of rte 2. Ive never : fished it but seen it deep in the woods and it looks tasty but I never : threw a fly there. : Any info would be great!! : P.S. I dont mind walking The Deerfield River guidebook describes it as a highly variable flowing stream with a small population of wild brookies.  I know the state stocks it, but I’m not sure with what, and there’s always the chance that big fish from that nice pool on the deerfield that the cold empties into could have come upstream.  I don’t know if the state stocks this river anywhere upstream of the last route 2 bridge.  They may, but I’m sure most of the fishing pressure is on the lower stretches.

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