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You’re better than this Mike. I pray that you find your peace. — TBone Prayers? Humbug.  Superstitious mumbo-jumbo, merely a prop for inadequacy, or an excuse to go out and murder or damage somebody with impunity, and all by the "grace", or indeed on the purported "orders", of some mythical being. Which, if it existed at all, would long since have wiped the whole nasty

sordid mess of humanity from the slate, and started again. Or given up

altogether, disgusted by it

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Bruiser wrote… I forgot to thank Joe Fleischman for the great gifts.  The book went to Charlie who may venture to Northern NM once in a while, and the necks went to Warren, the other birthday guy and a prolific fly tier.

Speaking of which, I owe a thanks to Joe.  The funny thing is that I needed those for my fly swap flies so you will probably be seeing them again soon Joe, in a different form of course. — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Of course, no offense to the Penn’s Clave.  Let me amend by saying: Henry’s Fork will be the mother of all Western Claves. We’re sending our DH to Penns bruce h

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  Personally, the best thing about claving is that now when I read your posts, I can hear your voices. Mu

…and there it is.  summed up nicely mu.  course, a few more and you’ll be hearing their footsteps too <g. jeff

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Jeff,  I’m not sure what brand the Tequila was, but it was good, a Reposado. It came in a brown ceramic bottle with a white picket fence molded into the front.

You seem to have found one I don’t know of.  I’ll look for it on my trip west  I coudn’t read the label with double vision!  You should see the flies I tied though.

Oh, I’ve seen ‘em, and they’re too small to see.

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Wayne Harrison wrote…    ah, the stuff of legends!  it reads wonderfully, and makes us all dream of the fabled henry’s fork, where i will plant the bonnie blue flag of the old north state, come this september.

Every couple of weeks I am going to repost this Wayno.  I am holding you to your pledge of attendance.  I would consider it both an honor and a privilege to fish with you and eagerly look forward to the day.  It would finally ease the disappointment I felt in Ennis. — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Jeff,  I’m not sure what brand the Tequila was, but it was good, a Reposado. It came in a brown ceramic bottle with a white picket fence molded into the front.  I coudn’t read the label with double vision!  You should see the flies I tied though. Tripper,  Last night it started snowing and it’s let up a little but it hasn’t stopped.  We must have been living right because the storm held off for a couple of days. Wayne,  see you at the Henry’s Fork.  I better bring my Nuevo Mexico flag. bruce h I forgot to thank Joe Fleischman for the great gifts.  The book went to Charlie who may venture to Northern NM once in a while, and the necks went to Warren, the other birthday guy and a prolific fly tier. bruce h

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If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave.  I have met lots of great friends this way.  Ain’t the net great?

        ah, the stuff of legends!  it reads wonderfully, and makes us all dream of the fabled henry’s fork, where i will plant the bonnie blue flag of the old north state, come this september. your friend in carolina wayno

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 Personally, the best thing about claving is that now when I read your posts, I can hear your voices.

Ah, now THAT captures it perfectly.  Perfectly. JR

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If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave.  I have met lots of great friends this way.  Ain’t the net great?

It is indeed. Well, we’ll get some pictures posted somewhere soon.

Definitely! Maybe rw’s got some room? We think the Henry’s Fork will be the Mother of All Claves.

Well, maybe the daughter: I’d say the Penn’s shindig has some scary numbers behind it… Thanks for visiting, everyone, I had a blast.

Very cool, thanks for the TR. It sounds like the water clarity wasn’t much of an issue. And you didn’t mention the weather – did George’s snowstorm give the valley a miss? /daytripper (Glad you all had a good trip!)

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If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave.  I have met lots of great friends this way.  Ain’t the net great?

Yes, my friend, it surely is. Everyone has slow days, days when you are obviously catching fewer fish than your friends.

That only happens to me on the rare days that I go fishing. Thanks to everyone for the nice gifts.  Danl brought me a cool bottle of high quality tequila…

What kind was it?

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If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave.  I have met lots of great friends this way.  Ain’t the net great?

No doubt about it (irrespective of Gwen Stefani’s anatomy) Hate to tell you, Mu and Bill, but Monday was the best day.

First time I ever heard *shoulda been here tomorrow* As if in a dream, that fish opened his mouth, the fly slid in, and amazingly was hooked.  In all my days there, that’s never happened for me like that before. Mu CAN throw the whole line with little or no effort.

<g What you might not have noticed from where you were watching is that half the time I was chucking a Teeny 130 – that’s why it looked so easy to make the long casts.  I don’t think I’ve ever thrown a whole floating line. Thanks for visiting, everyone, I had a blast.

Sure was a blast.  I learned quite a bit.  I’ve never fished such small flies.  I saw fish being caught in some water that often I would have overlooked.  I overheard Bruiser talking to Charlie about looking for fish in some shallow spots and that help me pick up a very nice fish one morning while casting towards shore while everyone else near me was casting to the deep water.  Watching people’s individual fishing styles was pretty cool too.  Personally, the best thing about claving is that now when I read your posts, I can hear your voices. Mu

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If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave.  I have met lots of great friends this way.  Ain’t the net great? Everyone has slow days, days when you are obviously catching fewer fish than your friends.  Days like those are particularly noticeable at the San Juan, where the fish are everywhere and so are the fly fishers.  Everyone had at least one day of fewer fish, including me, the host.  Imagine that. There was one exception and anyone who reads ROFF knows who that person is. Willi’s unreal.  We keep wondering when he’ll just get blanked, and in the several days I’ve been lucky enough to fish with him it’s never even been close.  Different rivers, different bugs, different conditions, same result. Willi’s letting go of another fish in that familiar fashion – he leans over, quickly grabs the hook, and releases the fish without touching it.  It’s not really all that amazing that he can nimbly release a three pound fish from a size 24 hook in that manner.  Any one of us would be as good if we’d have practiced it 10,000 times  Steve and I were talking one evening after another mini party in an Abe’s room and when we started talking about all the fish we’ve seen Willi catch we started laughing and continued for quite some time.  His skill is uncanny.  Hopefully I’m not embarassing Willi – he’s a very modest guy. Thanks to everyone for the nice gifts.  Danl brought me a cool bottle of high quality tequila that lasted until my friend Arnie arrived.  He’s the western answer to Pamlico Jim.  Charlie gave me one of those cool Fishpond tippet dispensers, Bob another shirt to replace the one he gave me last year.  Mu brought me some French flies.  Yes, I typed that right.  RW paid for my  accomodations and we had a blast fishing together all over the river.  Warren brought a ton of flies for everyone and two tons of materials.  Sorry if anyone was left out, but I still feel like a zombie. We had two or three dinners at the Sportsman (big burgers).  They have dollar bills, decorated with patron’s grafitti, covering the walls.  Last year in December (actually December 2000) I gave the waitress a dollar with the inscription:  ROFF 2000.  In at least fifteen subsequent visits I’ve failed to spot the dollar on any of the walls – my guess was it got pocketed after the unfortunate situation with our tab last year (which we made good on).  On the first night there, we were waiting for a table, and there it was, on the wall, next to the front door.  Cool. The next morning, as we were leaving the breakfast table, a guy at another table asked me if I was Bruiser and if we were ROFF.  Turns out he’s a lurker from Colorado and that we’ve known each other vaguely for years. Wow.  They were in the room across from us at Abe’s and paid our party a visit later that night, contributing heavily to Warren and Arnie’s hangovers the next day.  Something about Martini’s not mixing well with whiskey, beer, and tequila but the details aren’t important.  They are nice guys and it was fun to meet up with them at the clave. The fishing was a little tougher than usual, especially on Saturday and Sunday, when there were more people and fewer risers.  Hate to tell you, Mu and Bill, but Monday was the best day.  Even on the worst days on that river you can sneak up on a big rainbow and watch it pick adult midges off the surface – deliberately, slowly, selectively.  Bob and I cast to one of these guys without a look.  The fish continued eating real bugs,  undeterred by our artificials.  At one point the fish took a midge from *between* the two dries that Bob drifted over him.  On sunday there was a fish feeding in a similar fashion and indulged me by continuing to feed as I drifted three dry patterns over his head.  First, a tiny griffith’s.  He looked at it, but only came to within an inch and didn’t open his mouth.  Next, I tried a single adult midge parachute pattern.  The fish examined it real close, but again, didn’t open it’s mouth.  Then I remembered a fly that I’d had success with before in a similar situation.  It’s a tiny Adams with no wing, just hackle, given to me by a guide a couple years ago.  As if in a dream, that fish opened his mouth, the fly slid in, and amazingly was hooked.  In all my days there, that’s never happened for me like that before. Everyone seemed to have the spot they really liked.  Charlie’s spot is the slack water at the bottom of the cable hole,  slow current and very selective risers.  That’s also RW’s favorite.   Bob and I like to fish emergers in the Upper Flats.  Willi fishes for risers near the dam with dry flies (or a two inch strip of chamois).  Warren liked the channels between the dam and cable hole.  Danl, as well as Mu and Bill, fished everywhere and with big smiles always.  I’ve never met Mu before and he’s very cool, energetic and friendly.  It’s been said about flyrods on ROFF before, but Mu CAN throw the whole line with little or no effort. Well, we’ll get some pictures posted somewhere soon. We think the Henry’s Fork will be the Mother of All Claves. Thanks for visiting, everyone, I had a blast. bruce h

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WOW….somebody’s going to write in my name….. john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who do you trust?  What are you people arguing about?  Both Bush and Gore are four letter words and you’re going to get it no matter which you vote for. Clinton machine is dead in the water as is Gore who was every bit as much a liar as Bill is.  Difference is, during times of war they executed traitors didn’t they?  Gore was just as much responsible for selling America out to China as anyone.  Basically, if elected by the ignorant, the same crew will run this country from in the basement as before.  Yes, a few cosmetic changes but nothing you will ever notice. Gore will get more of your guns and freedoms to bear arms will be weakened ever more. Bush will get more of your last remaining forests, not that anyone here can do anything about it.  All of you can kiss Alaska Oil Reserves good bye for this state will have it’s heart ripped out for its oil. Basically, all of you are going to be Gored or Bushed.  You deserve what you get.  To stop this kind of idiocy, you need to abolish the Federal Reserve.  Have Congress buy them out.  They’re just a private investment company anyhow, raping America for money. Let’s all face it.  They’re BOTH lousy choices.  Vote for a change, at least.  Vote for the man that will leave your gun ownership alone and we know who that is because your guns are the ultimate remaining power that controls the government, one would think. Awe, nuts!  Back to fly fishing the muddy rivers due to clearcutting. — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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Who do you trust?  What are you people arguing about?  Both Bush and Gore are four letter words and you’re going to get it no matter which you vote for. Clinton machine is dead in the water as is Gore who was every bit as much a liar as Bill is.  Difference is, during times of war they executed traitors didn’t they?  Gore was just as much responsible for selling America out to China as anyone.  Basically, if elected by the ignorant, the same crew will run this country from in the basement as before.  Yes, a few cosmetic changes but nothing you will ever notice. Gore will get more of your guns and freedoms to bear arms will be weakened ever more. Bush will get more of your last remaining forests, not that anyone here can do anything about it.  All of you can kiss Alaska Oil Reserves good bye for this state will have it’s heart ripped out for its oil. Basically, all of you are going to be Gored or Bushed.  You deserve what you get.  To stop this kind of idiocy, you need to abolish the Federal Reserve.  Have Congress buy them out.  They’re just a private investment company anyhow, raping America for money. Let’s all face it.  They’re BOTH lousy choices.  Vote for a change, at least.  Vote for the man that will leave your gun ownership alone and we know who that is because your guns are the ultimate remaining power that controls the government, one would think. Awe, nuts!  Back to fly fishing the muddy rivers due to clearcutting.   — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there.

WEB CAM! WEB CAM! SCREAMIN’ STREAMIN’ VIDEO!!!

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(AuSable1) writes: All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth. Hope to see you there.

Just out of curiosity, which flies at the *factory* are yours? or is this something new? Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there. Yippee Tie One On! Dennis Potter, Fly Crafter

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there. Yippee Tie One On! Dennis Potter, Fly Crafter

_______  Sounds interesting enough to make me consider flying there and attending.  Thanks for the information Dennis. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Any experiences with Gore-Tex waders in saltwater? I want to replace a hot sweaty and heavy pair of Gralites.

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I have several friends who used Simms/Gore-Tex waders this past summer while fishing stripers in Maine–  no problems.

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I have several friends who used Simms/Gore-Tex waders this past summer while fishing stripers in Maine–  no problems.

Hi I’ve guided using Simms GorTex wader the past couple of year.  They are the best thing I’ve done for myself in the interest of comfort in year.   They are definitely worth the price when you compare to your personal comfort. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.   Thanks, Spidey

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.

What you need is a pair of circlip pliers, the type that open as you squeeze the handles, You’d get them at a hardware store.  Put the ends of the circlip pliers inside the bcr, squeeze gently and the ball will just drop out.

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.  

Art supplies aren’t the first thing to come to mind when thinking of where to get new pliers. Hardware hardware hardware. Up here we have Eagle Hardware (unaware of stores outside of WA) Eagle is the shit…and a good place to get all the heavy hardware for your SM/BD needs…usually a handsome *bear* to help you to boot. Seattle is such a piercing friendly place, if I went to the hardware store asking for pliers to open my cbr’s they’d prolly lead me right to them.   You could also wrap tape around the jaws of a pair of needle nose…those are real easy to barrow, you have 14ga rings, those don’t really require special tools. Good luck in your shopping Qathi — "I appreciate and support Lani’s efforts to keep r.a.b. a useful, interesting, readable newsgroup"    =^..^=            =^..^=

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.  

Depending on which part of the country you’re from, you’ll find them called circlip pliers, reverse pliers or lock-ring pliers.  I found a pair at my local hardware store for about $10.  However, my guess is that you won’t need them for a 14g ring.  I can open anything under 12g with my fingers….. laura

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.  

For opening the ring (assuming its not soft enough to turn with your bare hands) I’d head off to a hardware store and ask for Snap Ring Pliers.  Wrap the ends in tape (masking or even better, first-aid tape) to avoid scratches. For closure, pretty much any generic pliers will do, thuogh if you’re feeling really fancy, you could get jewellers pliers. In either case, avoid scratching the jewelry, and ensure that your instruments are clean!  Its simple and easy to use a pressure-cooker that’ll kill off any nasties.  Either that, or consider going to a piercer to do it for you.  Most will do it gladly for a minimal fee, or (like we do) a hefty tip. Denise Robinson, AMBIENT "Peerless Prodigies of Physical Phenomena!"         Ottawa, Canada- EH! (613)723-4779         http://infoweb.magi.com/~ambient/

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.  

 Like everyone else said, go to a hardware store, get snap ring pliers. If you want to get a look at what these tools look like before heading to the store, poke around on "Gauntlet’s" web page. Or just do like Denise Robinson suggested:  "Either that, or consider going to a piercer to do it for you." Best luck, Jeff.

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for.  

Try removing the bead without pliers.  Rings are manufacturered to different hardnesses, depending on the company.  I prefer to use rings that are annealed – they are more flexible and resist metal fatigue. If your ring is 5/8" in diameter or larger, you should be able to remove the bead fairly easily.  Use a tissue for a more secure grip. If you must use pliers, tape the jaws with 3 layers of tape to prevent scratching.  Scratched jewelry can damage a piercing. Ring expanding pliers (reverse action) are used to expand the ring just enough to dislodge the ball.  The ring should spring back into shape.  Ring expanding pliers are available from many body jewelry manufacturers. —                                  * Ardvark *                               Anne  Greenblatt                   Piercing FAQ Manager for rec.arts.bodyart                              Piercing Exquisite                          http://www.c2.org/~ardvark/

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– – I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 – g).  I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the – ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be – looking for.   – – -Try removing the bead without pliers.  Rings are manufacturered to -different hardnesses, depending on the company.  I prefer to use rings that -are annealed – they are more flexible and resist metal fatigue. – -If your ring is 5/8" in diameter or larger, you should be able to remove -the bead fairly easily.  Use a tissue for a more secure grip. – -If you must use pliers, tape the jaws with 3 layers of tape to prevent -scratching.  Scratched jewelry can damage a piercing. – -Ring expanding pliers (reverse action) are used to expand the ring just -enough to dislodge the ball.  The ring should spring back into shape.  Ring -expanding pliers are available from many body jewelry manufacturers. Or your local hardware store  :) Me, a couple of weeks ago at the hardware store:    ME: "I’m looking for expanding ring pliers"    CLERK: "What are you using them for?"    ME: "I need to change my jewelry"    CLERK: "PA?" Which lead to a discussion of our various pierces… I put heat-shrink tubing on the jaws of the pliers to keep from scratching the jewelry. —         Steve Carter      

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Try removing the bead without pliers.  Rings are manufacturered to different hardnesses, depending on the company.  I prefer to use rings that are annealed – they are more flexible and resist metal fatigue.

I have found slightly twisting the ring sideways, rather than spreading it works, and it’s fairly easy to ‘flatten’ the ring back into shape if you go too far, rather than trying to reform a circle.  I also used that technique in everything from jewlry making to fly fishing If your ring is 5/8" in diameter or larger, you should be able to remove the bead fairly easily.  Use a tissue for a more secure grip.

A garage handiwipe or cotten kitchen wipe rag works well too, and wont scratch. They are usually blue, in a pop up dispenser, are thicker, and give a grip, without grit and I can’t remember the brand for the life of me, ….  Some brands of finger cots, made of a slightly thicker latex than durible condoms, also give good grip without damage on smaller jewlry (esp if you have small fingers).  The only way to know is to try them.  You can find them in pharmacies and sometimes bead-shops. If you must use pliers, tape the jaws with 3 layers of tape to prevent scratching.  Scratched jewelry can damage a piercing.

Heat shrink tubing, or specifically plastic eletricians tape works well. Also, using FLAT pliers, without teeth, is better, since damage to the ball is truly minimized… *OR* use a plier that has been slightly modified by removing just enough teeth to let a ball nestle in it, and use the electricians tape to provide a cushioned grip.  I have a modified craftsman pliers that has worked well like this on the larger guages, giving a good grip – espeically for trying to INSERT the ball into the closed ring. Ring expanding pliers (reverse action) are used to expand the ring just enough to dislodge the ball.  The ring should spring back into shape.  Ring expanding pliers are available from many body jewelry manufacturers.

Yes, and come in many sizes… they are good, with a gentle touch, to pop the ball out, and in conjunction with a soft grip pliers like the one above, the ball can be inserted/removed while the ring is held slightly open by the expanding pliers. Of course, for each ring size, you need to have a set of pliers <G… gets expensive for a shop to buy all at once…. but getting one pair for your own jewlry should be affordable — about as much as a new ring. — BodyArtist Practioner in Flesh http://www.bodyart.com     Gallery Area & Members Areas Available Custom scanning 35mm & Prints.    In Pittsburgh – while you wait!

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Ummmm, okay, thanks everyone fore replying.  This is kind of weird because I posted the original question about two months ago, and got replies then, all of the sudden there are more?   But yes, I did get the right kind of pliers, I need to expand the ring for a new super cool bead that is a little wider than the original one.  

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: Mmmm, and the delectable Ellie Mae. I doubted that Ellie Mae ever needed to troll for flies.  (But I wasn’t going to say it.) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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[deleted] Vlad the Impaler

Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing. I owe you yet again. TimW Designer of the "Vlad The Impaler" nymph series

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[deleted] Vlad the Impaler Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing.    is there truth to the rumor that orvis is considering a "vlad the impaler"  designer jeep?  in blood red, with black leather seat

covers, of course.  oh well, today the roaring fork, tomorrow the amazon.         a. wayne harrison

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Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing. is there truth to the rumor that orvis is considering a "vlad the impaler"   designer jeep?  in blood red, with black leather seat

It’s still in the design phase. However, Tiemco has announced its new "Vlad" series hooks.   The TMC-VLAD103’s make *EXCELLENT* hopper patterns. TimW

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Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing. is there truth to the rumor that orvis is considering a "vlad the impaler"   designer jeep?  in blood red, with black leather seat It’s still in the design phase. However, Tiemco has announced its new "Vlad" series hooks.   The TMC-VLAD103’s make *EXCELLENT* hopper patterns. TimW

Yes, true. I also heard the "Vlad" series has been extended into sizes up to number 100 and can be mounted on a pole for spearing carp. Jon

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Yes, true. I also heard the "Vlad" series has been extended into sizes up to number 100 and can be mounted on a pole for spearing carp. Jon

You must mean 100/0

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writes: : I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I : just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 : flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.  

I have had mixed results with this shceme. I mailed out my flies,but they where all returned within a week. However, I did recieve several nice used beginners flyting manuals and the web address for R.O.F.F.Tying.      Jim  

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Now I’ve got only one question here. I lose the occasional fly or two (maybe a bit more then that), but it would seem to me that anyone losing enough to have to make 50,000 a year should probably take up another sport. Possably golf played with basketballs. Lolo Mt.

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(here is my flyfishing chain letter submission) Howdy! Last year I received a chain letter from St. Jude.  It promised me that good luck would arrive via the mail if I made and distributed twenty copies to people who I thought needed good luck.   The letter did not specifically threaten that anything terrible would happen if I didn’t comply.  So, although I felt a little superstitious, I didn’t do anything about it.  I couldn’t think of twenty people who needed good luck.  I didn’t want to bother any of my friends with a chain letter. I felt I would be doing them a favor not to. I think I already have pretty good luck. As a fisherman I’m always mindful of luck and usually do pretty well, even when other people are using the same fly and method and not catching Shiite. Two weeks later I received a surprise check for over three thousand dollars.  I had forgotten about it, but my grandfather had died years before and I inherited a small share of the estate.  Since he had been retired for over twenty-five years and had twenty grandchildren, I didn’t expect more than a few hundred dollars.  I spent most of it on quality tackle. Three weeks later I caught my biggest trout ever.  It was my only bite on a day at a lake where everyone was complaining about how poor the fishing was.  As the season progressed, I continued with exceptional luck and caught four even bigger fish. You do not have to do anything with this letter.  Don’t make twenty copies.  Don’t give it to your friends or pass it along.  Don’t worry about "breaking the chain".  Just take a nice deep breath, and imagine yourself out in a beautiful lake or stream, on a nice sunny day, enjoying everything that you see, feel, hear, and smell.  Life is great, and full of endless possibilities.  Remember that positive visualization is the key to good luck.  If you believe that it can happen, it can.  Fish as often as you can and keep your fly on the water. Have a great day, Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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: I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I : just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 : flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.   : I saw this posted a while back and I thought "hah, this : is such a big joke !" Well, it is not a big joke.  In my : first week, I had a wooly bugger, 2 hares ears and a : Grizzly King ! Was I ever impressed !!!  It is very : simple ! Simply add your name to the bottom of this : list and mail a fly to everyone else on the list, when : you have your name at the top of the list, you will : have received 50,000 flies.  Please no glow bugs ! : TBone Walker : TimW : Timmy ("trouser Trout") Walker : T. S. Walker : TBone Powlesland Jed Clampit Jethro Bodean Clampit Granny Clampit Jane the bankers secretary — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/

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Jed Clampit Jethro Bodean Clampit Granny Clampit Jane the bankers secretary — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ —

Hey dammit, Granny was a Moses (Daisy, to be specific), not a Clampett. John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.   I saw this posted a while back and I thought "hah, this is such a big joke !" Well, it is not a big joke.  In my first week, I had a wooly bugger, 2 hares ears and a Grizzly King ! Was I ever impressed !!!  It is very simple ! Simply add your name to the bottom of this list and mail a fly to everyone else on the list, when you have your name at the top of the list, you will have received 50,000 flies.  Please no glow bugs ! TBone Walker TimW Timmy ("trouser Trout") Walker T. S. Walker TBone Powlesland

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: I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I : just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 : flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.   : I saw this posted a while back and I thought "hah, this : is such a big joke !" Well, it is not a big joke.  In my : first week, I had a wooly bugger, 2 hares ears and a : Grizzly King ! Was I ever impressed !!!  It is very : simple ! Simply add your name to the bottom of this : list and mail a fly to everyone else on the list, when : you have your name at the top of the list, you will : have received 50,000 flies.  Please no glow bugs !

This really does work.  I did as told and after 6 weeks had to add an addition on the house to house all the flies.  (How do I get people to send me fly boxes? I prefer wheatleys please.) JC Johann John F. Close The Mad Mathematician

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Mmmm, and the delectable Ellie Mae. …jm

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        Yellowstone lake opened yesterday but I was unable to drive past Lewis lake where the browns have been hungry. Fished for six hours from a float tube and landed about a dozen browns from fourteen to eighteen inches on wooly buggers. No big fish as yet but lots of fun with the little ones.         There are a few small brookies to be had on the west shore and an occcasioinal Mac as well. Scott Cole jackson, Wy. — S. Cole

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Thanks for the report, Scott. I gotta say that I don’t think of 14-18 inch trout as "little ones," but I’d sure like to fish in a place that would encourage that view. Best wishes.  Jeff

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Is Lewis Lake the main lake in Yellowstone?

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Is Lewis Lake the main lake in Yellowstone?

If what you mean is which lake is the biggest, it would be Lake Yellowstone.

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Lewis Lake is one of the major lakes in Yellowstone, but the main lake would have to be Yellowstone Lake.      Trey Monroe

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Lewis Lake is one of the major lakes in Yellowstone, but the main lake would have to be Yellowstone Lake.     Trey Monroe

Hi Trey I might add that Yellowstone Lake has been fishing good the past few weeks. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Lewis Lake is one of the major lakes in Yellowstone, but the main lake would have to be Yellowstone Lake.     Trey Monroe Hi Trey I might add that Yellowstone Lake has been fishing good the past few weeks. Tight Lines

Will be in Yellowstone in mid July and want to spend a half-day wade fishing either Lewis Lake or Yellowstone Lake.  Any suggestions about general shoreline areas that are suitable?  Techniques and or types of lines/flies to anticipate using? Thanks for your great postings!  J. Rice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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J Rice asks: Will be in Yellowstone in mid July and want to spend a half-day wade fishing either Lewis Lake or Yellowstone Lake.  Any suggestions about general shoreline areas that are suitable?  Techniques and or types of lines/flies to anticipate using?

I just returned from Yellowstone and Lewis Lakes.  Yellowstone edges are fishing great ,,, two anglers about 30 cutthroats apiece per day.  In mid-July you could be running into one of the most fun Green Drake hatches in the West….I’ll be there.  Stop at the Ranger shacks and talk about some spots.  Yellowstone Lake has over 100 miles of shoreline.  We take a boat to some secluded spots … been fishing there 10 years.  I see waders and float tubers within a mile of the two boat ramps … almost always doing quite well.  Yellowstone is a huge lake, tough to get crowded. Lewis is fishing fair now … will find lake trout, books and browns. Week ago, all were a little sparse….ice just went out a few weeks ago. I seldom see FF’er on the Lewis shores.   John G.<<

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The Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen are often found on the Monterey Bay in CA. Most of them do quite well , usually  much  better than the bait fishermen. We enjoy many species of rockfish  as well as shark on a fly, also stripped bass.

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The Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen are often found on the Monterey Bay in CA. Most of them do quite well , usually  much  better than the bait fishermen. We enjoy many species of rockfish  as well as shark on a fly, also stripped bass.

I have fished the Santa Cruz marine area for many years using fly. I find that the rockcod fishing is very productive at this time of year. I use a 7-8 wt. rod with 18 feet of lead core. I use 15 lb. leader with a two fly setup. For shark (mostly Blue shark) I use a cheap 10-11 wt. rod with a very good reel and lots of backing. I use a floating line with 20 lb. tipit with a foot long piece of single strand wire (58 lb. strength) as a shock leader. Also, for both rockcod and shark I make sure that the barb is flattened on my flies. This is for everyone’s good (including the fish). Last year was a very successful year for rockcod and shark. This year, it has been only fair, but some outstanding fish days did occur. John

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Hi, I’ve been thinking about getting a new pair of wading boots. I see LL Bean has these boots called Aqua Stealth that have a rubber sole.

Steve, there is an article in a very recent issue of Western FlyFishing which discusses these rubber soles.  These soles have developed from rock climbing shoes.  From this one article they sound pretty good, if they are the same as the soles discussed in the article.  Keep in mind, too, according to the article, there is more research going on and improvements should be expected in the coming years. Good luck and good fishing! Bob Moss Landing, Ca.

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Hi, I’ve been thinking about getting a new pair of wading boots. I see LL Bean has these boots called Aqua Stealth that have a rubber sole. They claim these soles work better than the felt bottom shoes. Has anybody had any experience with them? Furthermore, I’d be interested to hear what boots they feel are good. I fish here in New England so felt bottom boots are a must for the slippery rocks! Steve — Steven Grainger          | I stalk the wild trout. MRS Technology           | 10 ELizabeth Drive       | Chelmsford, MA.          |

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been thinking about getting a new pair of wading boots. I see LL Bean has these boots called Aqua Stealth that have a rubber sole. They claim these soles work better than the felt bottom shoes. Has anybody had any experience with them? Furthermore, I’d be interested to hear what boots they feel are good. I fish here in New England so felt bottom boots are a must for the slippery rocks! Hi Steve, I know nothing about the LL Bean boots you reference but I’ve sure been happy with my Simms Freestone Boots.  I’ve guided out of them for two year now and expect to get another year out of them.  Of course the felts don’t last that long but are fairly easy to replace. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

Steve,         I have a pair of Danner wading boots that are fantastic.  they of course are felt soled and have tungston carbide tips imbedded in the boots.  The boots are made to last, of course besides replacing the felt soles once in a while.  I think the boots without the tungston carbide tips run about $121.95 and with the tips about $126.95.  This is more expensive then most others but I think the Danners will outlast all other boots on the market.  I also suggest the tungston carbide tips.  Their great on slippery rocks.  For myself wading boots are a must for any river wading.  Wading rivers can be tricky business and having the best equipment possible makes it that much more safe, at least thats what I tell my wife when I go buy some expensive new equipment…hehe.  Anyways if your interested in the Danners check around at places that sell Danner products.  Here in Portland, OR we have a Danner outlet store that sells seconds at good prices. (cosmetic flaws only).  If those don’t work I know Kaufmann’s Streamborn inc.(1-800-442-4359)  address; P.O. Box 23032  Portland, OR 97281-3032  has them.  Since I have my catalog out now, the upper part of the boot is made with bullet-proof vest material. Good Luck!  Cory

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Hi, I’ve been thinking about getting a new pair of wading boots. I see LL Bean has these boots called Aqua Stealth that have a rubber sole. They claim these soles work better than the felt bottom shoes. Has anybody had any experience with them? Furthermore, I’d be interested to hear what boots they feel are good. I fish here in New England so felt bottom boots are a must for the slippery rocks!

Hi Steve, I know nothing about the LL Bean boots you reference but I’ve sure been happy with my Simms Freestone Boots.  I’ve guided out of them for two year now and expect to get another year out of them.  Of course the felts don’t last that long but are fairly easy to replace. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Steve, If you are concerned about those "slippery rocks" you really should consider a wading boot with studs. I have the Borger’s Ultimate wading boot with the felt/studded sole. I’ve had them for 4 years and haven’t slipped yet! Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been thinking about getting a new pair of wading boots. I see LL Bean has these boots called Aqua Stealth that have a rubber sole. They claim these soles work better than the felt bottom shoes. Has anybody had any experience with them? Furthermore, I’d be interested to hear what boots they feel are good. I fish here in New England so felt bottom boots are a must for the slippery rocks! Steve — Steven Grainger          | I stalk the wild trout. MRS Technology           | 10 ELizabeth Drive       | Chelmsford, MA.          |

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A comparable boot to abv. is Gary Borger Ultimate wading boot made by weinbrunner(sp ?) with tungstin tips _ Iv’e used mine for three years over 300 days on strems in new england and they are still fine. carbide tips are very useful give better traction and outlast felt soles. I bought these boots from Dan Bailey’s in montanna but are available from

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absolutely, without question, the best wading boots on the market are the SIMMS Plasteks.  Reintroduced, after a couple of years absence, they’re the most rugged, comfortable, lightweight, fast drying boots on the market.

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<<SNIP Furthermore, I’d be interested to hear what boots they feel are good. I fish here in New England so felt bottom boots are a must for the slippery rocks! Steve —

Hi Steve, I use the Orvis Battenkill Brogues with the carbide tipped steel studded felt soles ($115 with studded felts, $98 for felt soles). I typically use them about 100 days a year and they are great.  They have a good toe box, good heel box, high ankle pad, speed laces, foam padded under-sole, and a shank that is as stiff as the ones on my hiking boots.  Great support and little chance of a twisted ankle.  I typically hike 4 to 6 miles a day when fishing on my own (as opposed to teaching the schools) and my feet still feel good at the end of the day. Great boots for tough conditions. If you have narrow feet, these will be too wide for you and I’d recommend you check out the Orvis Rocky Mt. boot which is also available with studded felts ($89 with studded felts, $72 without).  The shank is not as stiff, but the boot shares most of the other features of the Battenkill Brogue at a lower price (wide feet won’t fit in these).                                                 Hope this helps,                                                           Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been thinking about getting a new pair of wading boots. I see LL Bean has these boots called Aqua Stealth that have a rubber sole. They claim these soles work better than the felt bottom shoes. Has anybody had any experience with them? Furthermore, I’d be interested to hear what boots they feel are good. I fish here in New England so felt bottom boots are a must for the slippery rocks! Hi Steve, I know nothing about the LL Bean boots you reference but I’ve sure been happy with my Simms Freestone Boots.  I’ve guided out of them for two year now and expect to get another year out of them.  Of course the felts don’t last that long but are fairly easy to replace. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

From the looks of the Aqua Stealth boots in the catalog, they are the same as the Simms Freestones with the exception of the sole material.  Perhaps a retrofit is possible.  I also have the Simms and am quite happy with them. Joseph Iannazzone

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Not ever owning a pair of neoprene waders and on the verge of buying my first pair, a question has arisen:   Are wading boots sized to fit waders and a pair of wool socks?   Does a size 11 wading boot fit a size 11 foot plus the waders plus the socks?  Are these taken into consideration?   Thanks alot.                  Flyfishers do it with longer rods

It depends on the manufacturer.  Orvis sells their boots sized large, so if you wear a size 11 street shoe, buy a size 11 wading shoe.  There’s plenty of room for a std neoprene wader and wool socks. I have nothing to do with the company, other than owning a pair of their wading shoes. Sean Brennan (.std disclaimers)

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I checked around when I purchased my Simms Firehole wading shoes, and also when I bought a gift pair of Cabella’s for my son-in-law. (yes, it is nice to have a son-in-law who fishes!).  In both cases I was told that they were sized to accomodate the extra footware. I really love my Simms, though I don’t have experience with others to compare.  I have plenty of room for two pair of heavy socks.  However, I wade wet, so do not know how much extra room to allow for the neoprene. I bought boot size = my shoe size.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not ever owning a pair of neoprene waders and on the verge of buying my first pair, a question has arisen:   Are wading boots sized to fit waders and a pair of wool socks?   Does a size 11 wading boot fit a size 11 foot plus the waders plus the socks?  Are these taken into consideration?   Thanks alot.                   Flyfishers do it with longer rods —                   Flyfishers do it with longer rods

I wear a 10.5 to 11 street shoe, depending on manufacturer.  I own a pair of stockingfoot Hodgeman waders and always wear 1pr cotton socks and 1pr wool socks inside them.  I bought a pair of Cabellas wading boots in a size 12 to wear over this settup and they fit great.  Looking at the other posts, I suggest you ask the sales person and try them out.  For mail order, any company worth ordering from will let you try them out and exchange sizes with no hassle.  Remember to keep the fit loose enough to fit lots of woolies in winter and still not compress the foam on that neoprene, but tight enough to give you sure footing on those shifty stream beds.  Good luck. . Lenny Bloksberg . . .

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Not ever owning a pair of neoprene waders and on the verge of buying my first pair, a question has arisen:   Are wading boots sized to fit waders and a pair of wool socks?   Does a size 11 wading boot fit a size 11 foot plus the waders plus the socks?  Are these taken into consideration?   Thanks alot.                   Flyfishers do it with longer rods —                   Flyfishers do it with longer rods

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Not ever owning a pair of neoprene waders and on the verge of buying my first pair, a question has arisen:   Are wading boots sized to fit waders and a pair of wool socks?   Does a size 11 wading boot fit a size 11 foot plus the waders plus the socks?  Are these taken into consideration?   Thanks alot.

My size 10 neoprenes have a bigger boot than my size 10 camo waders. They are both LaCrosse. The camos are pretty tight with a thick pair of wools and an underliners, but the neos are fine. I’m a 9 1/2 D foot. You can also get Goretex foot liners for either of these. Before I lost one of mine, they were great.         /   V  V  V  V  V  V  V  /      King’s Computer Management, Inc.        <   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  (o   1633 NE Hwy 10      VVV              Y                 612-784-8042 (voice)                      VVV Heddon Lucky 13 leopard: the lure doesn’t catch fish, fish catch the lure. Opinions? I’m married. I am not allowed to have opinions.

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