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I think that I’ve got it narrowed down to a couple of different models: Wilderness Systems The Ride Perception Swing I plan on using it in the bays around Long Island, NY I do not plan on too much use in the surf, but it may happen. I’m looking for a good Kayak…I am trying to keep down the length to under 14 feet or so. I notice that The Ride has a factory installed Rudder as an option. Would this be a good idea for my kind of use? Is the Swing more versatile than the Ride? How about stability??? Help a newbie out please!! -Tim Before you buy.

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I think that I’ve got it narrowed down to a couple of different models: Wilderness Systems The Ride Perception Swing

I have 2 Ride’s that I use in flat water rivers and inshore in saltwater (I live in Atlanta). I don’t have rudders and haven’t had problems with tracking, but I use mine primarily to fly fish from and not for any kind of touring. — Charlie…

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I grew up on Peconic and Shinnecock bays and wish I could paddle there during these interminable hot days down south. If I were you I would go for the Freedom by WS over the Ride. Both have a rudder option but the Freedom without rudder is as stable as any sot I have ever been in. It seems to sit lower in the water which means it gets less side push from winds, it is faster than Ride and the cost is comparable (Ride w rudder, Freedom w/o) The rudder is not to steer but to keep you on a more or less straight line when winds push against you. I doubt you will need a rudder on the Freedom, learn to control the boat by edging and adjusting your paddle stroke. I would invest the extra money in getting the optional back rest, it will be worth it to you in comfort. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that I’ve got it narrowed down to a couple of different models: Wilderness Systems The Ride Perception Swing I plan on using it in the bays around Long Island, NY I do not plan on too much use in the surf, but it may happen. I’m looking for a good Kayak…I am trying to keep down the length to under 14 feet or so. I notice that The Ride has a factory installed Rudder as an option. Would this be a good idea for my kind of use? Is the Swing more versatile than the Ride? How about stability??? Help a newbie out please!! -Tim Before you buy.

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I was looking at the Freedom as well, but I elimintaed it due to it’s size….I thought it to be  too long.  I’ll take a closer look.  Anyone with any other thoughts??? Thanks, Tim I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I grew up on Peconic and Shinnecock bays and wish I could paddle there during these interminable hot days down south. If I were you I would go for the Freedom by WS over the Ride. Both have a rudder option but the Freedom without rudder is as stable as any sot I have ever been in. It seems to sit lower in the water which means it gets less side push from winds, it is faster than Ride and the cost is comparable (Ride w rudder, Freedom w/o) The rudder is not to steer but to keep you on a more or less straight line when winds push against you. I doubt you will need a rudder on the Freedom, learn to control the boat by edging and adjusting your paddle stroke. I would invest the extra money in getting the optional back rest, it will be worth it to you in comfort. I think that I’ve got it narrowed down to a couple of different models: Wilderness Systems The Ride Perception Swing I plan on using it in the bays around Long Island, NY I do not plan on too much use in the surf, but it may happen. I’m looking for a good Kayak…I am trying to keep down the length to under 14 feet or so. I notice that The Ride has a factory installed Rudder as an option. Would this be a good idea for my kind of use? Is the Swing more versatile than the Ride? How about stability??? Help a newbie out please!! -Tim Before you buy.

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Hi Tim, I’m relatively new to sea kayaking and I recently bought a used Scupper Pro (sot) that’s 14′9". I got it because it was in my price range and offered good sized hatches for gear and I found it easy to paddle. (One week this summer I paddled around Shelter Island, Peconic Bay and such.) I’m curious why you didn’t want something longer than 14 feet. In my limited experience, length of the kayak on the water hasn’t been an issue – what do I not know? I am thinking of investigating the rudder option for the Scupper – tracking in wind on the big bays around here (southern New Jersey) would be easier! Karenne

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My friends, lend me your eyes. But it WILL require EVERYONE to cooperate, or the effort is doomed to fail.

Definitely worth a try. George and Co. have never got under my skin (mind you I do see how they can), but I suspect a little tolerance and a big dose of common sense could see us get through. Like the trout we talk often about, we need to be more selective in the lures or baits that we take – and ignore the baits some Cheers JK

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Dave, Add a clause that I am to have all of my deposit retuned in FULL! If you would please. I would like this corrected before moving on. HT

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______  Not fair Mark.  Very undeserving, especially from someone that should be a fair minded attorney? sigh* MR. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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We’ll simply leave the past in the past – where it belongs – while implicitly forgiving the transgressions that may have taken place in that time. No apologies required by anyone; everyone saves face by default.

This would work if folks had learned anything from what happened in the past, but I don’t think that’s true in all cases. Forgetting the past is a dangerous thing, especially in this case which is in its’ umpteenth cycle in the little passion play called roff. My advice is to ignore the trolls but continue to be wary of the troller (the poetry could start again, you know<g). — Charlie…

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What I’m proposing is the group allows George a fresh start – and that in turn, George not abuse that act of faith and trust.

Sounds good to me. Will it work? Unlikely, but let’s give it a shot. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Well said, Peter.  This is not a matter of anti-George or pro-George.  The guy has a screw loose, and as much as I enjoy picking on him occasionally it is not good for either of us.  Time to treat him like the meower. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [genuine, noble effort snipped] Sincerely – and with great hope, /dave tatosian (aka daytripper) Trip, I’ve met a few men like George in my life and in all the time I knew them, they never changed for the better.  After all, why change when you’re perfect.  :)  Anyway, for any peace to accrue in these parts, we simply have to give George’s spamming and trolling the same consideration as we’ve given the meower.  The most important thing in George’s life is to be the constant centre of everyone’s attention. Forty and fifty post threads with the subject "Mr. G." are his lifeblood.  George cannot post without taunting and boasting about his stuff anymore than I’d qualify for the clergy.  Given that, it’s up to the rest of us to take the pledge: I do solemnly swear to not respond to any of George’s spamming, trolling, baiting and taunting, no matter how serious the provocation, so help me ROFF. No doubt that as is the pledge becomes effective, the George spam-o-meter will go off the dial as he responds in the attempt to reassert himself as the centre of the universe, but within a reasonably short space of time if we stick to the pledge, peace will reign supreme on the G front. Peter

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Dave, As one who just watched the thread, I hereby make a pledge and vow not to fall for his trolls in the future, no matter how strongly provoked. Gandhi once said, The weak can never forgive.  Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Happy New Year David.  I forgive you. ; ) Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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<good suggestions snipped Dave, As one who just watched the thread, I hereby make a pledge and vow not to fall for his trolls in the future, no matter how strongly provoked. Gandhi once said, The weak can never forgive.  Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. Best Regards, Dave Blackett aka bc. — Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt — Izaak Walton

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Wayne,    Of course you are correct about this.  He changed his sign from Mr. G to Mr Gink just for this purpose.  He seems to be a firm believer in "there is no such thing as bad publicity".  I for one do not welcome George back to ROFF because I am  a believer in the saying "a leopard can’t change it’s spots".  It won’t be long until he reverts back to the old George that he wants everyone to forget.  I am placing him back on my filter and I hope the members of ROFF don’t repeat too many of his posts in their posts. Happy New Year Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave, in watching the current Nymphing ROFF thread a couple of things come to mind regarding your suggestions.  The very people attacking George most adamantly are performing for him a great service.  A primary tenent of marketing strategy is repeating your product name before the public.  Even though some people try to make it a negative conotation their comments still serve the strategy.  On the other hand, some of George’s posts seem to suggest he intentionally invites controversy (ie. twitch, twitch).  Given the possibility of an element of intentional provocation and the natural tendency in ROFF for detailed personal defense, I have doubts even the best devised guidelines will serve your intended purpose.  In any case, I’m afraid the horse has bolted the gate and is already on the course. Wayne

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[genuine, noble effort snipped] Sincerely – and with great hope, /dave tatosian (aka daytripper)

Trip, I’ve met a few men like George in my life and in all the time I knew them, they never changed for the better.  After all, why change when you’re perfect.  :)  Anyway, for any peace to accrue in these parts, we simply have to give George’s spamming and trolling the same consideration as we’ve given the meower.  The most important thing in George’s life is to be the constant centre of everyone’s attention. Forty and fifty post threads with the subject "Mr. G." are his lifeblood.  George cannot post without taunting and boasting about his stuff anymore than I’d qualify for the clergy.  Given that, it’s up to the rest of us to take the pledge: I do solemnly swear to not respond to any of George’s spamming, trolling, baiting and taunting, no matter how serious the provocation, so help me ROFF. No doubt that as is the pledge becomes effective, the George spam-o-meter will go off the dial as he responds in the attempt to reassert himself as the centre of the universe, but within a reasonably short space of time if we stick to the pledge, peace will reign supreme on the G front. Peter

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holy shit tripper…whatever it is that induced this, can ya send me a shipment? i’ve a bunch of clients that need a dose (toke?) immediately! seriously though – nice thought and hope it works.   jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friends, lend me your eyes. This constant warring between the pro- and anti- George factions is taking a toll on my karma. And I don’t like it. And I don’t see a need for it to continue. There CAN be peace on roff in my time, if everyone could simply make an investment in faith and trust. But it WILL require EVERYONE to cooperate, or the effort is doomed to fail. As one participant in this group who was the target of a series of slanderous attacks last fall from the same person that I had previously defended in this place, I think I have the right to make the following proposal. I’m willing to forgive and forget, without anyone having to apologize to me, and move on with life. I’d appreciate it if you all would read this, and consider it. At this point you should all know that I certainly don’t have any stake in this, outside of the desire to establish the peace and maintain some sense of decorum. I am hereby proposing that a deal be struck between George and those who so far just can’t seem to forgive mistakes made in the past. If faithfully followed, the group will regain a gregarious fellow with a long and interesting flyfishing background and experience. In return the group won’t be forced to endure further onslaughts of unsolicited advertisements and suspect product endorsements. Here’s the deal. It’s damned simple: Part 1. The parties of the first part – George Gehrke, his employees, his partners, resellers, and anyone else with a financial interest in George’s business interests – will refrain from unsolicited merchandizing of his various products in this forum, just like the conduct expected of any other commercial interest. Part 2. All other parties will refrain from continuing their relentless attacks on George for any perceived transgression(s) presumed to have been perpetrated by George in the past. Further, if said parties have nothing meaningful to contribute to any ongoing topic or thread in this conference where George is a contributor, they should post nothing at all. What I’m proposing is the group allows George a fresh start – and that in turn, George not abuse that act of faith and trust. Reasonable people may disagree with what constitutes "suitable context" – but if someone comes looking for stuff that makes things sink or float – or are shopping for cane rods or blanks – I would consider those instances to be proper context where George could suggest that he has a solution worth considering. This doesn’t give George a green light to insult the intelligence or sensibilities of the group with over-the-top advertisements. Nor should a follow-up post by George suggesting that he has a product that will solve a problem constitute a red flag waving at those who currently have a penchant to attack each and every post that George makes. I believe that this would be a worthwhile project for this group – and George – to take on, with the advent of the new year. I offer it as a way for everyone to make a peace – and hopefully a long lasting one – without anyone having to apologize, confess, or otherwise atone for past mistakes of judgement or passion. We’ll simply leave the past in the past – where it belongs – while implicitly forgiving the transgressions that may have taken place in that time. No apologies required by anyone; everyone saves face by default. Could this work? Yes, if the group is committed to peace. Please consider it. Sincerely – and with great hope, /dave tatosian (aka daytripper)

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(Well thought and balanced guidelines snipped) Dave, in watching the current Nymphing ROFF thread a couple of things come to mind regarding your suggestions.  The very people attacking George most adamantly are performing for him a great service.  A primary tenent of marketing strategy is repeating your product name before the public.  Even though some people try to make it a negative conotation their comments still serve the strategy.  On the other hand, some of George’s posts seem to suggest he intentionally invites controversy (ie. twitch, twitch).  Given the possibility of an element of intentional provocation and the natural tendency in ROFF for detailed personal defense, I have doubts even the best devised guidelines will serve your intended purpose.  In any case, I’m afraid the horse has bolted the gate and is already on the course. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Amen and amen. However, I think it should only pertain to posts from George and his employees.  George might have influence but not control over others that have a financial interest in his products.  It is true that George could influenced other people that have a "financial interest" in his products to make an advertizing post.  However, it is also possible that the other person is acting independently.  If we then baroque Mr. G, we are in the wrong.  Maybe my suggestion is more long-suffering than yours, but I think it’s truly the most fair one.  Let’s give Mr. G. the benefit of the doubt when we can. Mr. G. will either hang or prove himself.  We just need to give him enough rope to tie a noose or pull himself ashore. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Part 1. The parties of the first part – George Gehrke, his employees, his partners, resellers, and anyone else with a financial interest in George’s business interests – will refrain from unsolicited merchandizing of his various products in this forum, just like the conduct expected of any other commercial interest. Part 2. All other parties will refrain from continuing their relentless attacks on George for any perceived transgression(s) presumed to have been perpetrated by George in the past. Further, if said parties have nothing meaningful to contribute to any ongoing topic or thread in this conference where George is a contributor, they should post nothing at all.

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daytripper, thanks for expressing my feelings . BUT: Imho it’s a bit short-sighted to build a wall solely against George and partners/customers. What would be more appropriate is a guideline for spam and misconduct in general. We’ve all been assoles here, and most have been forgiven, others left. I don’t believe George is the personalized evil. No one is. If someone is out of line, he or she can be addressed to that. Plain and simple. Herman

In the Big Picture(tm) you’re correct, Herman. But there are already Usenet guidelines that address the broader constructs for discussion groups under the Big 8 hierarchy. Clearly these guidelines have been ignored for some time in this case… This is not legislation that I’ve proposed, it’s a "serving suggestion" that addresses a specific concern in as gentle a fashion as possible while still providing some substance to chew on. Take it or leave it on its own merits. And thanks for your support. /daytripper

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Why not.  It cant do any harm to try.  While admitting to some reservations about the wisdom of "forgiving and forgetting" in some circumstances, and also about the necessity for having separate regulatory agreements, which are basically unenforceable in any case, apart from the intrinsic regulatory factors which govern the groups individual behaviour in any case, such as the good sense, good manners, good taste, and propriety of the individuals concerned,  if peace is the only objective, then perhaps the end justifies the means in this case.  I will refrain from any posts at all concerning the material mentioned, until such time as the tacit agreement you suggest, ( or actual, should it be agreed to by all parties , which I doubt ), is broken, or flagrantly misused.

LOL! Ok, Mike, I appreciate your cooperation, if not enthusiastic support. "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible"

That’s ^^^^ profoundly appropriate. /daytripper (saving my dogma from being run over by my karma)

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daytripper, thanks for expressing my feelings . BUT: Imho it’s a bit short-sighted to build a wall solely against George and partners/customers. What would be more appropriate is a guideline for spam and misconduct in general. We’ve all been assoles here, and most have been forgiven, others left. I don’t believe George is the personalized evil. No one is. If someone is out of line, he or she can be addressed to that. Plain and simple. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friends, lend me your eyes. This constant warring between the pro- and anti- George factions is taking a toll on my karma. And I don’t like it. And I don’t see a need for it to continue. There CAN be peace on roff in my time, if everyone could simply make an investment in faith and trust. But it WILL require EVERYONE to cooperate, or the effort is doomed to fail. As one participant in this group who was the target of a series of slanderous attacks last fall from the same person that I had previously defended in this place, I think I have the right to make the following proposal. I’m willing to forgive and forget, without anyone having to apologize to me, and move on with life. I’d appreciate it if you all would read this, and consider it. At this point you should all know that I certainly don’t have any stake in this, outside of the desire to establish the peace and maintain some sense of decorum. I am hereby proposing that a deal be struck between George and those who so far just can’t seem to forgive mistakes made in the past. If faithfully followed, the group will regain a gregarious fellow with a long and interesting flyfishing background and experience. In return the group won’t be forced to endure further onslaughts of unsolicited advertisements and suspect product endorsements. Here’s the deal. It’s damned simple: Part 1. The parties of the first part – George Gehrke, his employees, his partners, resellers, and anyone else with a financial interest in George’s business interests – will refrain from unsolicited merchandizing of his various products in this forum, just like the conduct expected of any other commercial interest. Part 2. All other parties will refrain from continuing their relentless attacks on George for any perceived transgression(s) presumed to have been perpetrated by George in the past. Further, if said parties have nothing meaningful to contribute to any ongoing topic or thread in this conference where George is a contributor, they should post nothing at all. What I’m proposing is the group allows George a fresh start – and that in turn, George not abuse that act of faith and trust. Reasonable people may disagree with what constitutes "suitable context" – but if someone comes looking for stuff that makes things sink or float – or are shopping for cane rods or blanks – I would consider those instances to be proper context where George could suggest that he has a solution worth considering. This doesn’t give George a green light to insult the intelligence or sensibilities of the group with over-the-top advertisements. Nor should a follow-up post by George suggesting that he has a product that will solve a problem constitute a red flag waving at those who currently have a penchant to attack each and every post that George makes. I believe that this would be a worthwhile project for this group – and George – to take on, with the advent of the new year. I offer it as a way for everyone to make a peace – and hopefully a long lasting one – without anyone having to apologize, confess, or otherwise atone for past mistakes of judgement or passion. We’ll simply leave the past in the past – where it belongs – while implicitly forgiving the transgressions that may have taken place in that time. No apologies required by anyone; everyone saves face by default. Could this work? Yes, if the group is committed to peace. Please consider it. Sincerely – and with great hope, /dave tatosian (aka daytripper)

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Why not.  It cant do any harm to try.  While admitting to some reservations about the wisdom of "forgiving and forgetting" in some circumstances, and also about the necessity for having separate regulatory agreements, which are basically unenforceable in any case, apart from the intrinsic regulatory factors which govern the groups individual behaviour in any case, such as the good sense, good manners, good taste, and propriety of the individuals concerned,  if peace is the only objective, then perhaps the end justifies the means in this case.  I will refrain from any posts at all concerning the material mentioned, until such time as the tacit agreement you suggest, ( or actual, should it be agreed to by all parties , which I doubt ), is broken, or flagrantly misused. TL MC "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

My friends, lend me your eyes.

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My friends, lend me your eyes. This constant warring between the pro- and anti- George factions is taking a toll on my karma. And I don’t like it. And I don’t see a need for it to continue. There CAN be peace on roff in my time, if everyone could simply make an investment in faith and trust. But it WILL require EVERYONE to cooperate, or the effort is doomed to fail. As one participant in this group who was the target of a series of slanderous attacks last fall from the same person that I had previously defended in this place, I think I have the right to make the following proposal. I’m willing to forgive and forget, without anyone having to apologize to me, and move on with life. I’d appreciate it if you all would read this, and consider it. At this point you should all know that I certainly don’t have any stake in this, outside of the desire to establish the peace and maintain some sense of decorum. I am hereby proposing that a deal be struck between George and those who so far just can’t seem to forgive mistakes made in the past. If faithfully followed, the group will regain a gregarious fellow with a long and interesting flyfishing background and experience. In return the group won’t be forced to endure further onslaughts of unsolicited advertisements and suspect product endorsements. Here’s the deal. It’s damned simple: Part 1. The parties of the first part – George Gehrke, his employees, his partners, resellers, and anyone else with a financial interest in George’s business interests – will refrain from unsolicited merchandizing of his various products in this forum, just like the conduct expected of any other commercial interest. Part 2. All other parties will refrain from continuing their relentless attacks on George for any perceived transgression(s) presumed to have been perpetrated by George in the past. Further, if said parties have nothing meaningful to contribute to any ongoing topic or thread in this conference where George is a contributor, they should post nothing at all. What I’m proposing is the group allows George a fresh start – and that in turn, George not abuse that act of faith and trust. Reasonable people may disagree with what constitutes "suitable context" – but if someone comes looking for stuff that makes things sink or float – or are shopping for cane rods or blanks – I would consider those instances to be proper context where George could suggest that he has a solution worth considering. This doesn’t give George a green light to insult the intelligence or sensibilities of the group with over-the-top advertisements. Nor should a follow-up post by George suggesting that he has a product that will solve a problem constitute a red flag waving at those who currently have a penchant to attack each and every post that George makes. I believe that this would be a worthwhile project for this group – and George – to take on, with the advent of the new year. I offer it as a way for everyone to make a peace – and hopefully a long lasting one – without anyone having to apologize, confess, or otherwise atone for past mistakes of judgement or passion. We’ll simply leave the past in the past – where it belongs – while implicitly forgiving the transgressions that may have taken place in that time. No apologies required by anyone; everyone saves face by default. Could this work? Yes, if the group is committed to peace. Please consider it. Sincerely – and with great hope, /dave tatosian (aka daytripper)

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Great site OLE! Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com I have updated my flyfishing site at: http://nff.sit.no/ New and updated version of the "burning caddis" description. Try it! Ole Anders Andreassen

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Nice site, great pics. This is a really good job, thanks for the link. Trey Monroe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have updated my flyfishing site at: http://nff.sit.no/ New and updated version of the "burning caddis" description. Try it! Ole Anders Andreassen

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I have updated my flyfishing site at: http://nff.sit.no/ New and updated version of the "burning caddis" description. Try it! Ole Anders Andreassen

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hello all.  I need some help. A few years back my mother bought me a fly rod at a yard sale. it is a hand crafted 6 sided bamboo fly rod.  it is all stamped " made in occupied japan" some one told my father that it was worth any where from $1,000 – $10,000 depending on the condition of it. I have a couple pictures of it.  drop me an e-mail if you would like to see them.  thanks. any information on it would be greatly appreciated. please e-mail me with any info.

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cdragon Japanese bamboo rods are low cost rods, you can probably get $50 to $75 on eBay. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello all.  I need some help. A few years back my mother bought me a fly rod at a yard sale. it is a hand crafted 6 sided bamboo fly rod.  it is all stamped " made in occupied japan" some one told my father that it was worth any where from $1,000 – $10,000 depending on the condition of it. I have a couple pictures of it.  drop me an e-mail if you would like to see them.  thanks. any information on it would be greatly appreciated. please e-mail me with any info.

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writes: hello all.  I need some help. A few years back my mother bought me a fly rod at a yard sale. it is a hand crafted 6 sided bamboo fly rod.  it is all stamped " made in occupied japan" some one told my father that it was worth any where from $1,000 – $10,000 depending on the condition of it.

They lied to your father, some handcrafted bamboo fly rods are worth in excess of $1,000 with rare Gillum, Dickerson or Garrison rods going in excess of $10K. Unfortunately for you,  yours is one of the mass produced models that came from asia post WWII. Depending on the buyer and their level of knowledge perhaps $10 – $250 if you find a sucker. Sorry if this sounds rough to you. Now if it was a Garrison, Dickerson or a Gillum….. For verification of what I say you can check www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm http://home1.gte.net/jfoster/ http://flyfishing.miningco.com/msub13.htm http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/ronsrods/index.html Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I have seen an inflatable boat under a wing. Does anyone have info or experiences with this craft. Seems to be the logical choice for the Florida Keys. — Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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Try SEAIR at     www.seair.com They make a 2 place wieght shift "trike" plane mated to a small hard-bottom inflatible boat with out-rigger pontoons. Their info vido raises a few questions:  The demo pilot flies with a helmet chin strap loose…  Then he flies a bit close to a palm tree, striking a frond with his wing tip! In a recent issue of "Yachting" magazine I saw an ad for a similar Rogollo wing trike mated to a Zodiac type boat. Good luck.  Rocky Kyle

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The plane you are talking about is called a "Polaris" and the one of the sales outlets is in Florida. Dave Loveman http://www.ultralightnews.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen an inflatable boat under a wing. Does anyone have info or experiences with this craft. Seems to be the logical choice for the Florida Keys. — Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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I have seen such a craft. Call Mike Jacober at Arctic Sparrow aviation in Birchwood Alaska  (I haven’t got the phone number handy – it’s in the book) for more info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen an inflatable boat under a wing. Does anyone have info or experiences with this craft. Seems to be the logical choice for the Florida Keys. — Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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The phone # I have is 1-800 950-8830 for the Polaris the website is at http://www.polarismotor.it/ Dave Loveman http://www.ultralightnews.com *** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***

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The plane you are looking for is a Polaris and it can be found at http://www.polarismotor.it/ Dave Loveman http://www.ultralightnews.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen such a craft. Call Mike Jacober at Arctic Sparrow aviation in Birchwood Alaska  (I haven’t got the phone number handy – it’s in the book) for more info. I have seen an inflatable boat under a wing. Does anyone have info or experiences with this craft. Seems to be the logical choice for the Florida Keys. — Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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Try SEAIR at     www.seair.com They make a 2 place wieght shift "trike" plane mated to a small hard-bottom inflatible boat with out-rigger pontoons. Their info vido raises a few questions:  The demo pilot flies with a helmet chin strap loose…  Then he flies a bit close to a palm tree, striking a frond with his wing tip! In a recent issue of "Yachting" magazine I saw an ad for a similar Rogollo wing trike mated to a Zodiac type boat.

I have a 3-man inflatable but I am in Oklahoma, and I don’t see shipping. No one wants to send loot ahead, and I don’t see trusting them, either. I ask $85 for it, you pick it up. It should carry one man and a trike, with the wheels off.  Mounting it is your problem. Or I might trade for something good. Ham radio, ot rest gear, handgun, machine tools or test gear, whatever. "The learned Fool writes his nonsense in better language, but ’tis still nonsense." B.Franklin ‘Poor Richard Improved’ (1754) Lou H. Prolific inventor, Lousy Salesman, Incompetent businessman. (Typical of the Breed) Looking for both around Tulsa OK, USA

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I am planning a trip to Mosquito Lagoon the weekend of July 24.  This is a trip I am very excited about since I’ve wanted to fish that area for a long time.  My primary target is reds but will take anything that bites.  I use both light tackle and fly gear, artificials only.  I will only have a 15′ canoe with trolling motor. Any areas that you could suggest including launch sites would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. Dave Moore Dave’s South Florida Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9975

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to Mosquito Lagoon the weekend of July 24.  This is a trip I am very excited about since I’ve wanted to fish that area for a long time.  My primary target is reds but will take anything that bites.  I use both light tackle and fly gear, artificials only.  I will only have a 15′ canoe with trolling motor. Any areas that you could suggest including launch sites would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. Dave Moore Dave’s South Florida Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9975

      I’d not worry about a boat, but instead hire a guide. There are any number, all listed in the yellow pages. Some even guarentee "fish or no fee". Make sure the guide is a light/fly guide. The average price last time I checked was $250/ 1/2 day. Even if you don’t fish, the view and wildlife is well worth the price, and a real bargain with fishing thrown in.                                                       John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

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I am planning a trip to Mosquito Lagoon the weekend of July 24.  This is a trip I am very excited about since I’ve wanted to fish that area for a long time.  My primary target is reds but will take anything that bites.  I use both light tackle and fly gear, artificials only.  I will only have a 15′ canoe with trolling motor. Any areas that you could suggest including launch sites would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. Dave Moore

DAve, There are only 2 access points to the lagoon both are on the Canaveral national seashore. The north entry point ( best fishing) is off of A1A in New Smyrna. The second is Eddy creek out of Titusville on rt 402. The primary fish in the lagoon are Reds, LAdyfish, Trout and Jacks with Tarpon and snook being there every once in a while. Hope this helps.      Jim Dave’s South Florida Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9975

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to Mosquito Lagoon the weekend of July 24.  This is a trip I am very excited about since I’ve wanted to fish that area for a long time.  My primary target is reds but will take anything that bites.  I use both light tackle and fly gear, artificials only.  I will only have a 15′ canoe with trolling motor. Any areas that you could suggest including launch sites would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. Dave Moore DAve, There are only 2 access points to the lagoon both are on the Canaveral national seashore. The north entry point ( best fishing) is off of A1A in New Smyrna. The second is Eddy creek out of Titusville on rt 402. The primary fish in the lagoon are Reds, LAdyfish, Trout and Jacks with Tarpon and snook being there every once in a while. Hope this helps.     Jim Dave’s South Florida Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9975 I don’t understand that there are only two access points to the

Indian River Lagoon. The lagoon streaches from New Syrna to below Vero Beach There are literally thousands of access places. There are also some very good guides that work the river and the Banana River. If you are coming to Central Florida for the first time I strongly suggest you use a guide for your first experience. If you want the names and address of some guides Email me and I will supply you several. George Partridge Custom Rods – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Dave’s South Florida Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9975 I don’t understand that there are only two access points to the Indian River Lagoon. The lagoon streaches from New Syrna to below Vero Beach

There are literally thousands of access places. There are also some very good guides that work the river and the Banana River. If you are coming to Central Florida for the first time I strongly suggest you

use a guide for your first experience. If you want the names and address of some guides Email me and I will supply you several. George

The Lagoon its self is only 23 miles long. it goes from New Smyrna to Titusville. The bannana river runs to Vero beach. Both are great fishing but the lagoon has most of the flats for reds. If you want snook ( big snook) head towards Vero. Hope this clears things up.      Jim Partridge Custom Rods

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Howell Raines’ great book "Fly Fishing the Midlife Crisis" is on sale for only $5.99 at www.bargainbookwarehouse.com. In the stores it sells for $22. I don’t think they have any other fishing books.

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"Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis" I agree that it is an excellent read, and I’m not even at mid-life yet…Clint – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howell Raines’ great book "Fly Fishing the Midlife Crisis" is on sale for only $5.99 at www.bargainbookwarehouse.com. In the stores it sells for $22. I don’t think they have any other fishing books.

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I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick

One of the keys of getting the the "splayed" hair of the comparadun wing is to to make sure that you begin tying the hair in at about mid-shank with loose wraps,then move toward the front with wraps that are progressivly tighter until the wings flare to about 180 degrees.  After trimming the butts make several wraps in front of the wing to strengthen the base. A great reference is "Tying Flies with Jack Dennis and Friends". Good Luck Rob Warren

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I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick

In other responses I haven’t seen what myself and friends in the midwest and out west believe to be one of the most important aspects of this neat little fly. When the wing is tied in, hold the tips up with your left hand, and wrap back in front several times to get the wing to stand up straight. Almost over compensate and get that wing up and back slightly. (kinda like you are finishing a head) Don’t rely on dubbing to hold up that wing. You might drop a touch of head cement or 2 on the wind in front of the wing. After it dries, finish dubbing and whip the head. Nothing worse than getting on the stream and pulling out a comparadun or sparkle dun and seeing all the hair leaning forward over the eye. Kevin Williams

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I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick

Hi Patrick, I’m not sure who perfected this technique, I’ve met three people who claim it. I share it with you to use as needed. With the wing hair fibers tied on the hook (tips pointed forward), start at the back side of the wing clump. Pull about 1/4 of the wing fibers up straight and take a tight wrap of thread between the small portion you’ve pulled up and the rest the wing clump of hair. Pull up another 1/4 and repeat the process. Keep repeating this process until your thread is hanging in front of the wing fibers. The last step is to wrap several turns of thread directly in front of the wing clump – these last wraps force the last portion of hair fibers to remain standing. An easy way to split the tail fibers is to use a six inch scrap of thread. Slip the scrap thread around the bend of the hook, grab the ends of the thread and pull straight back from the bend. Next pull the thread straight up and thru the tail fibers effectively dividing them in half. Tie the thread to the hook shank and apply dubbing to the hook. The last thing you do after apply the dubbing is to fan the wing fibers so they form almost a 180 degree arc – not a compete 180 but almost. The techniques used here have work well for me over the last 15 years. If my records are accurate I’ve tied about 1500 dozen Compara Duns during that time. Sorry this post got so long. It just got away from me. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Sorry this post got so long. It just got away from me. Tight Lines Al Beatty

Al, You’re posts are always informative and interesting- let ‘em ramble! Jack Jack Wheeler

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick Hi Patrick, I’m not sure who perfected this technique, I’ve met three people who claim it. I share it with you to use as needed. With the wing hair fibers tied on the hook (tips pointed forward), start at the back side of the wing clump. Pull about 1/4 of the wing fibers up straight and take a tight wrap of thread between the small portion you’ve pulled up and the rest the wing clump of hair. Pull up another 1/4 and repeat the process. Keep repeating this process until your thread is hanging in front of the wing fibers. The last step is to wrap several turns of thread directly in front of the wing clump – these last wraps force the last portion of hair fibers to remain standing. An easy way to split the tail fibers is to use a six inch scrap of thread. Slip the scrap thread around the bend of the hook, grab the ends of the thread and pull straight back from the bend. Next pull the thread straight up and thru the tail fibers effectively dividing them in half. Tie the thread to the hook shank and apply dubbing to the hook. The last thing you do after apply the dubbing is to fan the wing fibers so they form almost a 180 degree arc – not a compete 180 but almost. The techniques used here have work well for me over the last 15 years. If my records are accurate I’ve tied about 1500 dozen Compara Duns during that time. Sorry this post got so long. It just got away from me. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)Al,

Like your technique. When applying the dubbing at the wing, I force the wing back with my fingers & wrap several turns of dubbing tight against the wing to force it up & back. The effect is to have the wing look concave when view from the rear of the fly. Your tailing technique sounds good, I’m going to try it after I quit this surfing stuff. Leo Rouillard

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An alternative to the hair wing is a wing of poly yarn.  These wings are much easier to tie in and arrange, for me anyway, and they will float forever.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick I tie what many would argue to be a variation of the Comparadun called "Haystack".  The difference seems to be mostly one of finesse. First I dress the hook shank.  Then I tie in the tail.  This is usually a clump of deer hair with the tips evened up in a hair stacker.  Then I trim the butts and advance the thread. Near the middle of the hook I take another larger clump of deer hair.  The tips pointing over the eye of the hook, I pinch the clump down with my left thumb nail on top of the hook.  Then I take one complete wrap of thread around the hair and hook, not too tight to avoid spinning the hair.  I slowly tighten this wrap while taking a second turn, then a third. Now I release nmy thumb a bit and wrap down on the butt ends of this hair, keeping the clump on top of the hook.  When it’ll stay by itself, I trim off the butts in between the wing and the tail.  Now I advance the thread in front of the wing clump. Hold the wing up, and lay down a lot of thread right up against the base of the wing to hold it upright.  When it’s about ready to stand up by itself, fan the wing out, with your fingers.  In the traditional style, the fan should extend about 180 degrees. (Once described as waterline-to-waterline.)  Lay down a few more turns, and work the thread back to the tail.  Now you just dub the body from the tail, around the wing and up to the head.  Finish off with a whip finish and some head cement. Hope this helps: Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy/Using good quality coastal deer hair makes a big difference with flies

14 and smaller.

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I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick

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I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right

What’s the problem?  You tie on the wing first, and arrange it to suit. When you add dubbed body fore and aft of the wing, those winds lock it in place. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I am looking for info on the splayed hair tying method on a comparadun. I have an idea of how it’s done but I’m not quite getting the right effect. Thanks ahead of time. Patrick

I tie what many would argue to be a variation of the Comparadun called "Haystack".  The difference seems to be mostly one of finesse. First I dress the hook shank.  Then I tie in the tail.  This is usually a clump of deer hair with the tips evened up in a hair stacker.  Then I trim the butts and advance the thread.   Near the middle of the hook I take another larger clump of deer hair.  The tips pointing over the eye of the hook, I pinch the clump down with my left thumb nail on top of the hook.  Then I take one complete wrap of thread around the hair and hook, not too tight to avoid spinning the hair.  I slowly tighten this wrap while taking a second turn, then a third.   Now I release nmy thumb a bit and wrap down on the butt ends of this hair, keeping the clump on top of the hook.  When it’ll stay by itself, I trim off the butts in between the wing and the tail.  Now I advance the thread in front of the wing clump. Hold the wing up, and lay down a lot of thread right up against the base of the wing to hold it upright.  When it’s about ready to stand up by itself, fan the wing out, with your fingers.  In the traditional style, the fan should extend about 180 degrees. (Once described as waterline-to-waterline.)  Lay down a few more turns, and work the thread back to the tail.  Now you just dub the body from the tail, around the wing and up to the head.  Finish off with a whip finish and some head cement. Hope this helps: Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy/

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Any recommendations for the Stillwater the second week in July.  Looking for fly patterns and access points. Thanks! Don Albrecht

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I am going to fish the Stillwater River in Montana the second week in July. Any suggestions on flys and access points? I may have sent this message twice, since I’m new to the network and still learning! Sorry if someone sees it as a repeat. Don Donald Albrecht

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onald Albrecht write: : :I am going to fish the Stillwater River in Montana the second :week in :July. Any suggestions on flys and access points? : on : Don, There is a flyshop in Whitefish, Montana where I am sure you can get sound advice. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the shop. Someone else here probably knows of it. Whitefish, by the way, is a delightful little town. If you have time, definitely drive to the Kootnai River. If I remember correctly its only about 90 minutes from the Whitefish-Kalispell area and it is northwest Montana’s best trout stream. Tim

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Any recommendations for the Stillwater the second week in July.  Looking for fly patterns and access points. Thanks! Don Albrecht

Back in ‘81 I had a great time staying at the Stillwater Valley Ranch outside of Nye Montana. They also ran an operation known as "Montana School of Flyfishing." It was owned by the Moat family, and was a real nice place for the novice or experienced fisherman. My understanding was most of the land on the river was private and protected (at that time) rather jealously by the ranchers. Haven’t kept track of the Moats, but don’t see their ad anymore in the mags. Best to check with the DNR for info and access, or see if these guys still have their place. Kevin Williams

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Kootnai river is definately some of the best FF in Montana – actually world class.  It is located near Libby MT, way up in the north west corner. As far as the stillwater is concerned, it is *ok*. As far as the FF shop in Whitefish, It is called "One Season Fly Fishing Shop" and the phone number is (406) 862-1298. Other inquiries about Montana FF are welcomed, reply to Jeff

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that … Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs? Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle …  |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|       800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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I’m looking for somewhere in Santa Cruz and surrounding areas to throw a dry-fly.  Does anyone know of some place like that …

You could throw a dry fly in the ocean but you’re not likely to catch anything.  The best place I can think of offhand would be Loch Lomand Reservoir in Felton. If you get there really early in the morning you might pick up a trout or two.  A few years ago I was catching tons on bluegill on wet flies casting from a canoe.  There’s some nice largemouths in the coves as well.  You’d have to wait till next season but you can pick up some steelhead in the San Lorenzo river and Scott creek, north of Davenport. I can’t really think of any good streams in the vicinity that would provide dry fly fishing.  No legal ones anyway. Your best bet is to head to the Sierra. Also, what about catfishing in the local sloughs?

I know a 19lb. catfish was caught out of Loch Lomand as well a couple of years ago.  I don’t know of any sloughs in the Santa Cruz area but the Delta is full of them. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks Kim — With a Double Espresso and a British Motorcycle … |               |_      —-/   / /___   /  |       DoD#    /        –/—       / /—|     800880  /__/       /___/ _____/ /    |

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