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Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband.

In past discussions here, it came up that quite a few times the woman bought her own ring or it was a family heirloom on her side, IOW, didn’t come from the man..  

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Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband. In past discussions here, it came up that quite a few times the woman bought her own ring or it was a family heirloom on her side, IOW, didn’t come from the man..  

In my case I paid for the setting and we used a stone she had (grandmothers, perhaps? I don’t recall and it doesn’t matter). I didn’t get the setting back; she never offered and I never asked because I didn’t want it. The setting was indeed a gift from me to her so I feel I have no claims on it. I would not have accepted it if she had offered it to me. My ring was a custom piece of jewelry we picked out together, though I paid for it so technically it wasn’t a gift from her. I gave it back to her without thinking twice about it. The fewer things I have in my life that remind me of her the better.

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Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband. In past discussions here, it came up that quite a few times the woman bought her own ring or it was a family heirloom on her side, IOW, didn’t come from the man..

EVERYTHING comes from da man, silly girl!    (If you don’t believe me, ask Andre or Ronnie44dd.   Whattas a matter with you, anyway)?    :-)

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Anyway, I don’t look too bad in black and white stripes and I will trust me!!!!! I would cherish the time away from him!!!

If he is this bad, you can’t leave your children to his care, I know it is tempting to get revenge on him but think of your children, they will suffer more if you went to prison.  Get out, and get your children out.  There are organisations for abused wives, get one on your side and have them help you work this out. Mandy

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Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have until Dec 3 to survive through this. At that time, we have a sole possesion of the house hearing. My lawyer and I are also filing charges as he has blatently,gone against the civil stay away order!!!!  I am trying to stay here for my boys who are 19, 17 and 15 now. My 15 year old is having problems i.e. skipping school and smoking marijuanna. To my husband, it is all about money and making sure he will not have to give me one red cent or the house!!!  He is neglecting his boys other than to take them camping once a month or fishing. HE IS NEVER HERE EVEN ON HIS DAYS OFF!!! I believe he is abusing his children by not being here and also not doing one thing in this house at all!!!  (and I am talking about necessary repairs!) He thinks he is doing that to spite me, but it is effecting them as well!!!! He said to me last night that "He can’t believe I am still here!" because he knows he has done and said almost everything possible short of just coming out and killing me. Little does he know he almost has. He wants me to break! He knows I cant stand my house to be litterally filthy and it is daily! He wont tell the boys to do anything, because he wants to remain the good guy AT ALL TIMES!  He loves it when I get into an argument with them…becuase he feels that it is pushing them to his side!!!! He wanted me  , no he begged me to go to work, and now he is using that against me also with the kids! Last night he even said all I was doing was running up the lawyers bill! Meanwhile, I took him off my flight privledges (so he can no longer fly for free) and now he is trying to hold me in contempt of court as he filed a cross order after I did about taking me and the children off his insurance (which he threatened to do!)  These are flight privledges and if someone is on a flight and drinks too much or makes even a wierd comment or is loud, I know of employees who have lost their free flights and some who have even been fired. My lawyer wants me to put him back on just because and I say no way!!!!! He will try and do something more to me and that would be just about it!!!!!!   Why should I let him fly for free, when he took away my means of transportation…. I DONT THINK SO!!! Anyway, I don’t look too bad in black and white stripes and I will trust me!!!!! I would cherish the time away from him!!!

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The real abuse here is the abuse that you did to yourself by staying so long.  I hope you can learn to love yourself as much as you deserve. bogey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How about????? Blocking you in the bathroom and kitchen under protest…not letting you out until you scream for help. How about???? Throwing coffee mugs and bottles at you How about???? Pushing you down with your body and punching you several times in the arm, back and face. Then forceably having sex with you like an ANIMAL the next night. How about??? Trying to sleep and he would wake me up with his (*&(&**(& trying to put it in while I was asleep!!! and then when I would leave to try to get sleep, he told me I wasnt allowed back in the room until I was ready to have sex with How about???? Forceably taking car keys away from you and telling you you will never drive this car again How about??? Stalking you at work and when he cant find you, driving irratically, knocking down a light pole and getting your car stuck on the cement holder. Then he came to where I work and started screaming at me and that was monitored by a supervisor in a security hallway!!! How about??? Telling your kids, your friends, and your mother you are a whore!!!! He even told the police when I called them that I was having an on going affair!!!! How about??? Taking the circut breaker out of the AC on a 90 degree day and going away for a few days and taking the timer off a whirlpool tub so you cant enjoy a 12 minute soak. How about???? Telling you and your children that you are not doing one more thing in the house until you find out if its yours and allowing the ceiling to fall in in the dining room and not even clean it up or even pick up your dirty underwear in the bathroom or do one dish,etc etc etc. Tonight he even said to me he cant believe I am still here!!!!!! because he told me to get ready for round two…. I may not survive!!!!! How about??? Telling your wife, a stay at home mom for ten years, and his children, that He was the bread winner and I did nothing for ten years but putsy around the house!!! and HOW ABOUT now after ten years of me taking care of the children totally because he worked shifts that all of a sudden now that we are getting divorced…he can get a daylight job????? Told me just wait and see who gets cutody!!!!!! How about??? Daily verbal abuse about how I look when I go to work!!!!! How about??? Him telling my sons I got a lawyer and I am jacking up his bill with what I am I am sorry….I just cant take it anymore…I had to vent here….

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Leaving ======= General guidelines for leaving a spouse in the US. So you decided to end the marriage and are leaving the house. When it comes time to leave, there are certain things you should do in a certain order, to avoid confrontations with or violence from the spouse. Here’s how to do it. Some rules to follow when doing all these things: – Be polite when working with your spouse – Be fair. Take only 1/2 of what you both own. – It may be a good idea to buy a cassette recorder and put it in your shirt pocket when talking with your spouse. This is not usually admissable in court but it will give you some leverage against the spouse if they are acting loony, violent, or unfair. If the judge asks "Do you have proof your spouse is a loony?" you can mention the tapes. – If you think the spouse will get violent, call the police. Hide around the corner and when they come to the house, then go to the house. Tell the police you need them to watch your spouse while you pack. – If the spouse attacks you (even if a wife attacks a man) MAKE A POLICE REPORT. If you don’t have proof (a police report), it will not help you. Finding an apartment Make your budget. Find out the net amount of your paycheck you bring home each month (after taxes, you can’t spend the taxes, can you?). Now subtract rent, car insurance, phone, utilities, gas, food, clothes, entertainment, and any other expenses you can think of. If you have money left over, you are doing good. If not, find places to trim expense, like don’t go to the movies, cancel cable/satellite, don’t go out to eat, eat in instead, buy a cheaper car. Now find a cheap apartment and sign a lease. Packing up – You will need to get your names off credit cards VERY quickly, that means moving out first. – Try to pack your most valuable things first, like cash, life insurance policies, stock policies, records for your bank accounts, IRAs, and other retirement accounts. Make sure you pack some pens, pencils and a notebook, you will need these later. If you have joint accounts, take the papers, copy them at the library or somewhere else, then return them to the house. – Try to pack when the other spouse is not there, like when they are not at work, or when they are shopping. Have a friend along with a video camera in case they come home early. Hide your car around the block (it could be seen down the street so don’t hide it there) or use a friends car that is not well known. Pack your stuff in the friend’s car then transfer it to your car in a place the spouse does not go. – Remember to pack a suit, you will need it for court proceedings. Assets ====== Decide what possessions to take with you. Generally the state will divide up all the assets so each spouse gets an equal share based on the current sale value of the asset (like if you sold it at a garage sale). The person who gets the house gets the value of the equity of the house, so they will get a lot less other things. Equity is the assessed value of the house minus the loan amount. It is NOT the value of the house plus the amount you spent to improve it. Generally the state allows you to keep what you had before the marriage, and allows you to keep gifts that were only to you, but this is still part of the "equal share" that the two of you get. Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband. DON’T DO THE NEXT STEPS UNTIL YOU’RE ALL PACKED UP and moved out. Separating Finances The basic finance separation is in several groups: – Assets – Bank accounts – Credit cards/debit card – Retirement accounts – Loans/mortgages 1. Bank accounts First, get your own account, have the statements mailed to work or a trusted friend’s house. You don’t want these new statements discovered by the soon to be ex (STBX). When that is final, figure out what half of the cash assets would be (include all money markets, savings and checking accounts, not retirement or IRA accounts). Take half the cash and put it into your new account. Take your name off the accounts if possible. If you need their signature to do this, call a lawyer and find out if there’s another way to do this. 2. Credit Cards People often run up huge debts on credit cards in anger. First, try to take your name off all credit cards. I was the primary holder of a credit card, which meant I could put my wife’s name on it, and take it off. She couldn’t do anything. If you’re not the primary holder, AND you can’t get your name off a credit card, talk to a lawyer and find out what can be done. If you can’t do that, lower the limit on every credit card to the minimum. You should be able to do this alone, but then again the spouse could raise it up again by themselves. Talk to the CC company to find out who can do what. Try to freeze the cards so no one can use them and tell the CC company you’ve seen suspicious activity on the cards or you think you’re identity has been stolen. As a last resort, cancel the cards if necessary, but TELL THE SPOUSE. You will look bad to the judge if you don’t tell them. Send them a letter so you have paper proof that you told them. 3. Retirement accounts Just start by taking your IRA papers with you. You can sort it all out later in court. Let the other spouse keep their retirement account. 4. Loans/mortgages I don’t know how these are handled. But if you keep your name on the loan you ARE responsible for it, whether you are divorced, separated or not. Try to get your name off the mortgage, but NOT off the title to the house. This is so the other can’t default on the mortgage and ruin your credit. The Car ======= If you each have a car, take the one that you use the most. If you have one car between you, the working spouse will generally get the car. Should you buy a new one? Generally, no, unless you just purchased a brand new car in the past year. Calculate the net worth of the car will help you. Net worth=Value of the car (get it from Kelly Blue Book on the web) – any loan outstanding. Here’s an example. Car A: bought 2 years ago, valued at $15,000, loan left is $13,000, so net worth is $2000. Basically, you have $13,000 in loans to pay off. If you can’t afford it, get a used car worth less than $13,000, say around $7000. Try to make small payments. This will cause you to pay more interest over the life of the loan, but you really need the cash right now. Car B: bought 5 years ago, valued at $5000, no loan outstanding. Net worth is $5000. This is the best deal, since you have no car payment in this case. Car C: new car bought last year, valued at $24,000, loan left: $25,000, net worth=-$1000. Even though this has a net worth, you still have $25,000 left in loans to pay. This is a bad deal because if you sell the car you will still have to pay $1000 to cover the loan and you will not get any money back because it has a negative net worth. Your best bet is to get a $7000 car, pay the extra $1000. Insurance for the used car will be less than for the new car anyway. What will make you look good to the judge: – If you are fair to the other spouse. (Divide assets equally. Don’t take their favorite baseball card collection just to be mean.) – If you don’t hit them, threaten them or damage their property. – If you don’t show bizarre behavior (like damaging the other’s property) – If you keep the spouse informed, like when you cancel the credit cards. – Getting the kids out of a violent home. (You must have PROOF of this violence as a recording, or police report.) What will make you look bad: – Not going to counseling when the spouse does. – Being unfair. – Being angry in court. – If you have a serious illness, like cancer, it will really reduce your chances to get the kids. – If you have a serious illness, like depression, which is not being treated, you will have a lesser chance to get the kids. – Doing drugs. – Having a police record. – Being known as the "one who’s always screaming" by the neighbors. – Having boy/girlfriends before the divorce is final. – Trying to hide assets from the spouse. – Having an affair during the marriage. (Shows lack of commitment.) – Not being real involved with the kids. – If you don’t have a job. – If you have trouble holding a job. Abuse claims Filing a false abuse claim is now illegal in some states, and it is even enforced sometimes. Find out the status of false abuse claims, perhaps by calling the police department. — "Tis better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused. We are still in the same house!!!! They would not give me an extendended PFA against him. He filed a counter and said I was acting irrationally…NO WONDER….but I am not acting irrationally other than being here taking his constant harrasment. THE ONLY REASON I STAY IS BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WANT TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!  He could repair the house, FOR THE CHILDREN! It’s not or at least shouldnt be ALL REVENGE AGAINST

ME!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused. We are still in the same house!!!! They would not give me an extendended PFA against him. He filed a counter and said I was acting irrationally…NO WONDER….but I am not acting irrationally other than being here taking his constant harrasment. THE ONLY REASON I STAY IS BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WANT TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!  He could repair the house, FOR THE CHILDREN! It’s not or at least shouldnt be ALL REVENGE AGAINST ME!!!

SO QUIT YOUR BITCHIN, AND JUST SUE THEIR ASS!!    IT’S THE LATEST NEWAGE FAD….     GO FOR THE GOLD…. "DONT WORK IT OUT……JUST SUE IT OUT!!!" (TM @BH.  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED)

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"DONT WORK IT OUT……JUST SUE IT OUT!!!" (TM @BH.  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED)

This could be a winner,…do you have an agent? …nevermind,…they’re all lawyers.

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It’s no wonder why women put up and shut up with comments like these!

SO QUIT YOUR BITCHIN, AND JUST SUE THEIR ASS!!    IT’S THE LATEST NEWAGE FAD….     GO FOR THE GOLD…. "DONT WORK IT OUT……JUST SUE IT OUT!!!" (TM @BH.  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED) This could be a winner,…do you have an agent? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…nevermind,…they’re all lawyers.

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IF your children want to stay in the house regardless of the fact that he is mean to you then something is wrong. IF you want to stay in the house regardless of what HE is doing to YOU then there is something VERY WRONG!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s no wonder why women put up and shut up with comments like these! SO QUIT YOUR BITCHIN, AND JUST SUE THEIR ASS!!    IT’S THE LATEST NEWAGE FAD….     GO FOR THE GOLD…. "DONT WORK IT OUT……JUST SUE IT OUT!!!" (TM @BH.  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED) This could be a winner,…do you have an agent? …nevermind,…they’re all lawyers.

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Huh?  How can you even think this about the man you just previously described? I think *you* would be abusive by letting him near your kids. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe he is abusing his children by not being here

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Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused.

We are still in the same house!!!! They would not give me an extendended PFA against him. He filed a counter and said I was acting irrationally…NO WONDER….but I am not acting irrationally other than being here taking his constant harrasment. THE ONLY REASON I STAY IS BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WANT TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!  He could repair the house, FOR THE CHILDREN! It’s not or at least shouldnt be ALL REVENGE AGAINST ME!!!

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I have until Dec 3 to survive through this. At that time, we have a sole possesion of the house hearing. My lawyer and I are also filing charges as he has blatently,gone against the civil stay away order!!!!  I am trying to stay here for my boys who are 19, 17 and 15 now. My 15 year old is having problems i.e. skipping school and smoking marijuanna. To my husband, it is all about money and making sure he will not have to give me one red cent or the house!!!  He is neglecting his boys other than to take them camping once a month or fishing. HE IS NEVER HERE EVEN ON HIS DAYS OFF!!! I believe he is abusing his children by not being here and also not doing one thing in this house at all!!!  (and I am talking about necessary repairs!) He thinks he is doing that to spite me, but it is effecting them as well!!!!  He said to me last night that "He can’t believe I am still here!" because he knows he has done and said almost everything possible short of just coming out and killing me. Little does he know he almost has. He wants me to break! He knows I cant stand my house to be litterally filthy and it is daily! He wont tell the boys to do anything, because he wants to remain the good guy AT ALL TIMES!  He loves it when I get into an argument with them…becuase he feels that it is pushing them to his side!!!! He wanted me  , no he begged me to go to work, and now he is using that against me also with the kids! Last night he even said all I was doing was running up the lawyers bill! Meanwhile, I took him off my flight privledges (so he can no longer fly for free) and now he is trying to hold me in contempt of court as he filed a cross order after I did about taking me and the children off his insurance (which he threatened to do!)  These are flight privledges and if someone is on a flight and drinks too much or makes even a wierd comment or is loud, I know of employees who have lost their free flights and some who have even been fired. My lawyer wants me to put him back on just because and I say no way!!!!! He will try and do something more to me and that would be just about it!!!!!!   Why should I let him fly for free, when he took away my means of transportation…. I DONT THINK SO!!! Anyway, I don’t look too bad in black and white stripes and I will trust me!!!!! I would cherish the time away from him!!!

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I can not understand why you take all that shit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How about????? Blocking you in the bathroom and kitchen under protest…not letting you out until you scream for help. How about???? Throwing coffee mugs and bottles at you How about???? Pushing you down with your body and punching you several times in the arm, back and face. Then forceably having sex with you like an ANIMAL the next night. How about??? Trying to sleep and he would wake me up with his (*&(&**(& trying to put it in while I was asleep!!! and then when I would leave to try to get sleep, he told me I wasnt allowed back in the room until I was ready to have sex with How about???? Forceably taking car keys away from you and telling you you will never drive this car again How about??? Stalking you at work and when he cant find you, driving irratically, knocking down a light pole and getting your car stuck on the cement holder. Then he came to where I work and started screaming at me and that was monitored by a supervisor in a security hallway!!! How about??? Telling your kids, your friends, and your mother you are a whore!!!! He even told the police when I called them that I was having an on going affair!!!! How about??? Taking the circut breaker out of the AC on a 90 degree day and going away for a few days and taking the timer off a whirlpool tub so you cant enjoy a 12 minute soak. How about???? Telling you and your children that you are not doing one more thing in the house until you find out if its yours and allowing the ceiling to fall in in the dining room and not even clean it up or even pick up your dirty underwear in the bathroom or do one dish,etc etc etc. Tonight he even said to me he cant believe I am still here!!!!!! because he told me to get ready for round two…. I may not survive!!!!! How about??? Telling your wife, a stay at home mom for ten years, and his children, that He was the bread winner and I did nothing for ten years but putsy around the house!!! and HOW ABOUT now after ten years of me taking care of the children totally because he worked shifts that all of a sudden now that we are getting divorced…he can get a daylight job????? Told me just wait and see who gets cutody!!!!!! How about??? Daily verbal abuse about how I look when I go to work!!!!! How about??? Him telling my sons I got a lawyer and I am jacking up his bill with what I am I am sorry….I just cant take it anymore…I had to vent here….

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How about????? Blocking you in the bathroom and kitchen under protest…not letting you out until you scream for help. How about???? Throwing coffee mugs and bottles at you How about???? Pushing you down with your body and punching you several times in the arm, back and face. Then forceably having sex with you like an ANIMAL the next night. How about??? Trying to sleep and he would wake me up with his (*&(&**(& trying to put it in while I was asleep!!! and then when I would leave to try to get sleep, he told me I wasnt allowed back in the room until I was ready to have sex with How about???? Forceably taking car keys away from you and telling you you will never drive this car again How about??? Stalking you at work and when he cant find you, driving irratically, knocking down a light pole and getting your car stuck on the cement holder. Then he came to where I work and started screaming at me and that was monitored by a supervisor in a security hallway!!! How about??? Telling your kids, your friends, and your mother you are a whore!!!! He even told the police when I called them that I was having an on going affair!!!! How about??? Taking the circut breaker out of the AC on a 90 degree day and going away for a few days and taking the timer off a whirlpool tub so you cant enjoy a 12 minute soak. How about???? Telling you and your children that you are not doing one more thing in the house until you find out if its yours and allowing the ceiling to fall in in the dining room and not even clean it up or even pick up your dirty underwear in the bathroom or do one dish,etc etc etc. Tonight he even said to me he cant believe I am still here!!!!!! because he told me to get ready for round two…. I may not survive!!!!! How about??? Telling your wife, a stay at home mom for ten years, and his children, that He was the bread winner and I did nothing for ten years but putsy around the house!!! and HOW ABOUT now after ten years of me taking care of the children totally because he worked shifts that all of a sudden now that we are getting divorced…he can get a daylight job????? Told me just wait and see who gets cutody!!!!!! How about??? Daily verbal abuse about how I look when I go to work!!!!! How about??? Him telling my sons I got a lawyer and I am jacking up his bill with what I am I am sorry….I just cant take it anymore…I had to vent here….

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Once again, here’s the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of "abuse": Main Entry: abuse      Pronunciation: &-’by

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Dave, when you get the details all worked out. Post a thread outlining same so everybody won’t respond to such a length that I read them all and get confused. And I hope you recoup your investment first……

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Asadi writes: Dave, when you get the details all worked out. Post a thread outlining same so everybody won’t respond to such a length that I read them all and get confused. And I hope you recoup your investment first……

Will do that, John.  The participation has slowed – 37 tickets right now.  BTW, I ain’t doin’ this to regain any investment.  Remember when I bought it from Vern that several kind folks sent me money which I sent to a teacher in Maine who teaches his 9th graders fly fishing. Dave

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Yeah Richard.  Would love to lend any help I can.  I know that last year you guys launched from Hickory Creek (Springdale) and that Gerald caught most of his winning day bass down river.  I know he got a few off the hwy 12 bridge each day but I am afraid the lake is much different from when you guys saw it last year.  We desperately need rain to get the lake level back up.  We had a good rain last weekend and more is forecasted this weekend.  So hopefully by april when you guys get up here it will be up somewhat.  I will keep you posted around that time.   I generally launch from Hickory Creek and am more familiar down stream than up.  I generally fish everything below Horseshoe Bend but I will be exploring more this year. be nice to have someone to cheer for during the tournament.  I will help you with directions maps and anything else I can. BAZZMAN

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<snip   I generally launch from Hickory Creek and am more familiar down stream than up.  I generally fish everything below Horseshoe Bend but I will be exploring more this year.

Hey BAZZMAN: Stop and give me a howdy the next time you’re fishing down towards Eden Bluff on Beaver (just south of Monte Ne, near Three Fingers Cove…I’m the guy fly fishing for bass and stripers from my skiff…you’ve probably seen me a million times.  My dock is right before the entrance to Three Fingers. I enjoy reading your posts….you could probably teach me a thing or two about spawning bass this Spring…..see ya’ Greg Hardig

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Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver. BAZZMAN…

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Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver.

Glad to hear you had a great time on Beaver. I am not familiar with springdale but if you are talking the same lake I fished last April it was up in the N.W. corner of the state. If we are talking of the same lake keep an eye on her as I have an FLW on her in April. Would appreciate any help. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, and Bill Norman Lures. I use them because I think they’re the best!

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The unusally warm weather has been great for fishing in Alabama too.  I caught 17 bass in about 5 hours on Lake Guntersville last Wednesday.  Although there was a 13′4” weighted in the previous Saturday at the Waterfront Grocery where I put in,  most of the fish I caught were between 12 and 14 inches (non-keepers on Guntersville).  But I catch and release anyway and a bass is a bass.  Water temp was in the mid to upper 50’s.  It’s typical for the largest bass of the season to be caught in February on Guntersville. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver. Glad to hear you had a great time on Beaver. I am not familiar with springdale but if you are talking the same lake I fished last April it was up in the N.W. corner of the state. If we are talking of the same lake keep an eye on her as I have an FLW on her in April. Would appreciate any help. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, and Bill Norman Lures. I use them because I think they’re the best!

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I think the Who Am I? post simply stated what many of us have come to realize  - the regular posters on ROFF are a community – and a very open one at that.   For those who taken exception to the post or the many ‘gutter’ threads that develop on ROF I say thanks for the interest. I for one appreciate it. For better that than no reaction. Hey Walt.  I agree.  The Who am I thread makes me want to puke.  Think of all those mass marketers out there ferreting names, ages children professions, locations and email addresses of "dedicated" fly fishers.  I hate to be their postal worker or ISP.

get real. They have far better ways to get the names, addresses and incomes of hundreds of thousands – they wouldn’t bother with the handful who posted an abrreviated bio under the "Who am I" thread. Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. oh yeah…on topic… uhmmm, well, I mentioned thread. –Wataugan Walt Paul Shook said: <<I’m glad to hear that I am not the only one that thinks the "Who I Am" thread

is a bit strange. Dave Laplace said: ROFF is a bunch of pretty nice guys and gals.  They are simply exchanging their "vital statistics".

Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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Walt Winter wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Fiddleaway wrote) The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys. ok, i’ll rise to the occasion…. Hey buddy, don’t group me with Randall or Paul. I have no idea what the hell Randall is agreeing with (certainly not with my view). I was one of the first responders and have read and enjoyed every damn "who am i" bio.

I apologize for grouping you with the other naysayers.  As a matter of fact, I thought I had remembered that you had given a positive response to the Who Am I thread early on.  But I didn’t read the later ones (as they digressed into responses to Who Am I rather than originals).  My fault for assuming the poster who grouped you with them was correct. Mea culpa.  Consider me well chagrined. —                                                       -dnc-

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–                                                       -dnc- Ralph H wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think the Who Am I? post simply stated what many of us have come to realize  - the regular posters on ROFF are a community – and a very open one at that.   For those who taken exception to the post or the many ‘gutter’ threads that develop on ROF I say thanks for the interest. I for one appreciate it. For better that than no reaction. Randall Davis says: Hey Walt.  I agree.  The Who am I thread makes me want to puke.  … Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. Paul Shook said: <<I’m glad to hear that I am not the only one that thinks the "Who I Am" thread is a bit strange.

The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys.

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The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys.

ok, i’ll rise to the occasion…. Hey buddy, don’t group me with Randall or Paul. I have no idea what the hell Randall is agreeing with (certainly not with my view). I was one of the first responders and have read and enjoyed every damn "who am i" bio. What has happened here is a typical out of context post by Ralphbot. He’s done it in the past and he’s at it again. Welcome back roboboy. Tim and Jon really have to sharpen up there programming skills(aws) and do something about these damn bugs that keep poppin up. Step up to the friggin’ plate Tim and take your at bat. Until then, I’m rippin the fucking white flags down and I’ll kick all of your sorry asses if I see ya on my river, well, mudhole. Wading staff use by able-bodied men is for pussies (myself included). Brookies rule. Single-malt scotch. I don’t miss the NBA. Hillary, 2000 (this buds for you georgie Ralphbot needs a lube-job. Who ate FIFI? –Wataugan "I’ll kick yer ass" Walt

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        ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  i know walt well enough to know that he supports the humanization of this group through communication about who we are. what you, or somedamnbody has published, misrepresents his viewpoint. a. wayne harrison

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. Hillary, 2000 (this buds for you georgie –Wataugan "I’ll kick yer ass" Walt

 I was fine till here , Hillary ?? Oh God ..drink more Scotch Man, it may clear your muddled head.    Hillary, 2000…. good christ. And I thought Al "the Stump" Gore was scary….. HM

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I was fine till here , Hillary ?? Oh God ..drink more Scotch Man, it may clear your muddled head.    Hillary, 2000…. good christ. And I thought Al "the Stump" Gore was scary….. HM

HM, just kiddin’, Iza tryn ta raisz Ginko ferm da ded. –Wataugan "Moe Skeeter 2000" Walt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fine till here , Hillary ?? Oh God ..drink more Scotch Man, it may clear your muddled head.    Hillary, 2000…. good christ. And I thought Al "the Stump" Gore was scary….. HM HM, just kiddin’, Iza tryn ta raisz Ginko ferm da ded. –Wataugan "Moe Skeeter 2000" Walt

  Well, the water has been real cold as of late. Not many bugs on the water here, so to speak. HM

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       ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  

nothing Walt wrote was quoted out of context. If you or he had a problem with what he said it is your problem not mine. The ‘bot is a creation of your, his (and tim’s) lack of comprehension  -  not mine. Frankly I understood what Walt said perfectly tho’ his addled old mine may have lost the thread since he wrote it <g:  Given the history of animous and invective the break out of the sudden "love-fest" was a surprising – however it wasn’t strange it simply spoke to what many of us longed for – a relief from all the bad sentiment and a return to respect for all as people. We are a community despite the efforts of some to break us down. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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       ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  i know walt well enough to know that he supports the humanization of this group through communication about who we are. what you, or somedamnbody has published, misrepresents his viewpoint. a. wayne harrison

Wayne go to the Ng Rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and you can find the original thread there – check out Walt’s contribution – you will see what I included was exactly what he said – ditto for all the others. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys. ok, i’ll rise to the occasion…. Hey buddy, don’t group me with Randall or Paul. I have no idea what the hell Randall is agreeing with (certainly not with my view). I was one of the first responders and have read and enjoyed every damn "who am i" bio. What has happened here is a typical out of context post by Ralphbot. He’s done it in the past and he’s at it again. Welcome back roboboy.

Walto-gin – don’t imbibe and post within the same time zone. Randall took you out of context not I – I quoted you exactly. Go back and re-read the thread in ROFT which you intiated! Wash the kettle black off your face while you are at it! ;^) What you said was clear to me – big flame fest on ROFT love-fest on ROFF – a surprising turning of the worm. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Harrison) says:        ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  i know walt well enough to know that he supports the humanization of this group through communication about who we are. what you, or somedamnbody has published, misrepresents his viewpoint. a. wayne harrison Wayne go to the Ng Rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and you can find the original thread there – check out Walt’s contribution – you will see what I included was exactly what he said – ditto for all the others. Ralph H

Ralph….. The following enclosed below is verbatim of what I wrote on rofft. It in no way condemns, ridicules, or "makes me want to puke" the "WHO AM I THREAD". As mentioned earlier, I have no idea why Randall decided to agree with me or what the hell he agreed with. IMHO, you were bored and decided to try and muddy some waters elsewhere now that your arch-enemy Tim has decided to cool off for awhile. All I have in response to you is that whilst my brain may be addled temporarily at times with a comforting single-malt indulgence, yours, unfortunately, seems to be addled permanently most likely from birth. Get a grip man, –Wataugan "hellfire and brimstone southerner" Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. oh yeah…on topic… uhmmm, well, I mentioned thread. –Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Walto-gin – don’t imbibe and post within the same time zone. Randall took you out of context not I – I quoted you exactly. Go back and re-read the thread in ROFT which you intiated! Wash the kettle black off your face while you are at it! ;^) What you said was clear to me – big flame fest on ROFT love-fest on ROFF – a surprising turning of the worm. Ralph H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Harrison) says: Wayne go to the Ng Rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and you can find the original thread there – check out Walt’s contribution – you will see what I included was exactly what he said – ditto for all the others. Ralph H Ralph….. The following enclosed below is verbatim of what I wrote on rofft. It in no way condemns, ridicules, or "makes me want to puke" the "WHO AM I THREAD". As mentioned earlier, I have no idea why Randall decided to agree with me or what the hell he agreed with.

Yes it is verbatim. It is in fact exactly what I included in my cross post to ROFF…  and yes I agreed in my previous post in this thread that what you said was taken out of context by Randall and Paul Shook … IMHO, you were bored and decided to try and muddy some waters elsewhere now that your arch-enemy Tim has decided to cool off for awhile.

so why are attacking me? Is it in character for you to assault the ‘love fest’ you previously defended? All I have in response to you is that whilst my brain may be addled temporarily at times with a comforting single-malt indulgence, yours, unfortunately, seems to be addled permanently most likely from birth.

well that’s fine – in these repartee games I’ve always adhered to adage "turn about is fair play" Let’s give it a rest Walt. Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. oh yeah…on topic… uhmmm, well, I mentioned thread. –Wataugan Walt

Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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Lost set up, hard drive kaput. need name of the usenet fly tying group. Any help appreciated. —  *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *       *  *  Skip Summer             From somewhere in the Huron River, *  *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *       *

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Lost set up, hard drive kaput. need name of the usenet fly tying group. Any help appreciated.

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Charlie…

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip

Our club has alot of tuna fly fishing freaks and some of them have broken fly lines on fish. I’m led to believe the core of nearly all fly lines is only 25-40 lb. 20 lb is normally the heaviest tippet you can use ( IGFA class ) but in Australia our National Sportfishing Association allows 15 kg tippet (over 30 lb). Some shooting heads have broken (in the middle somewhere) during fights with big Yellowfin on these heavy tippets, which from all accounts can be a little demoralising. Regard John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders

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You are correct, it is not important. — Remove nospam to send E-mail Ernie Harrison   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line,

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip Our club has alot of tuna fly fishing freaks and some of them have broken fly lines on fish. I’m led to believe the core of nearly all fly lines is only 25-40 lb. 20 lb is normally the heaviest tippet you can use ( IGFA class ) but in Australia our National Sportfishing Association allows 15 kg tippet (over 30 lb). Some shooting heads have broken (in the middle somewhere) during fights with big Yellowfin on these heavy tippets, which from all accounts can be a little demoralising. Regard John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders

Hi all, I think that fly lines #5 through #7 are built on  20# test braided line. I think #8 lines and larger are built on 30# test braided line. I know it is easier to needle knot a butt into a #8 line. It seem very hard to get a butt into a #2/3/4 weight line. I think that a line that is about 10 years old will have a weaker core because of the age. We now have lines with single mono cores and with braided mono cores. Some of the real fast sinking lines have a floss like twisted core. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

Irrelevant, i.e. a fine example of information that could be got but nobody conceivably needs.  You can see from the structure (dacron braid) that it would be in the range 50 to 150 lb., viz. stronger than all leader knots, backing, backing knot etc. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

Irrelevant, i.e. a fine example of information that could be got but nobody conceivably needs.  You can see from the structure (dacron braid) that it would be in the range 50 to 150 lb., viz. stronger than all leader knots, backing, backing knot etc. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         | Even though the leader breaks, you still (at least I do) have to worry occassionaly about stepping on the line, puling down branches entwined in the line, and extracting it after getting wedged in rocks. :=) William Buchman

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

As others have said that is mostly irrelevant information, however to give you some perspective on it, the floating running line used in shooting heads are about the same size as the belly section of a 2 wt. line and they are typically 30lb. breaking strength.  Six or seven wt. lines would be much stronger and the only real problem would be cutting them on a sharp object (cut a line in half on barnacles once, have seen lines cut in half with Stream Cleats) or cutting into the coating enough with a leader knot or other sharp object that the line hinges instead of smoothly transferring energy.  Never heard of a fly line just breaking.  It’s by far the strongest part of the line system.                              Hope this helps,                                   Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I am going to the Boulder Mountain area to do some fly fishing and was wondering where the best spots would be. I don’t have a 4 wheel drive, so I am limited. Thankyou. J.b.

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Please check out the Utah Fish Finder for the fishing conditions. — Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~utah/fishing

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch. grant

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like

At this time of year, probably normal spawning behavior. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch. grant

Carp frequently jump like that during spawining.  However, Carp do surface feed where there is a natural food source.  e.g. my son and I catch such 8-10 lb. carp in our local river where a Mulberry tree overhangs the water and the berries drop in.  It is also common for us to enconter channel cats from 5 lbs and up in the same locale.  He has even caught several bass in this area.  

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch. grant

I don’t know, but my theory is that they are too dumb to know where the water ends and the air begins.  They just keep on swimming up! Eric Oden

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch.

It’s just a guess but I think that Carp jump, not to catch a fly, but as part of their mating ritual.  There are hundreds of carp spawning in one of the nearby streams and they have been jumping for the last couple of weeks.  Now they’re often seen thrashing about with each other near the shoreline.  I’ve seen several fish in the 20 pound range.  I’ve even caught a few that were in the 10-20 pound range and had a couple that broke me off before I could ever see them. John Fereira

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Carp will roll as part of their spawing activities. Carp will also rise  to insects or floating seeds/berries or other vegetarian food. I have caught carp on a dry fly tied to imitate the seeds of the Cottonwood tree.

Very interesting, what do you call it "Matching The Bloom".  When I am in the mountains fishing for trout and those cottonwood seeds are on the water I can’t get a trout to come up for a dry fly. Ernie Harrison

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I’ve also heard it described as "Matching the Thatch", at least as far as the grass carp is concerned. Rick — Richard Padgett – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carp will roll as part of their spawing activities. Carp will also rise  to insects or floating seeds/berries or other vegetarian food. I have caught carp on a dry fly tied to imitate the seeds of the Cottonwood tree. Very interesting, what do you call it "Matching The Bloom".  When I am in the mountains fishing for trout and those cottonwood seeds are on the water I can’t get a trout to come up for a dry fly. Ernie Harrison

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I’ve also heard it described as "Matching the Thatch", at least as far as the grass carp is concerned.

God I love it.  Carp flyfishing slang.  You go man ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like At this time of year, probably normal spawning behavior.

Maybe, they jump for the same reason whales jump.  They have an itch….. — Joseph J. Egry IV, CHMM          |         "Fate protects fools, small Environmental Scientist          |          children, and ships named Riker http://www.netcom.com/~jjegry/my_pages.html

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Carp will roll as part of their spawing activities. Carp will also rise  to insects or floating seeds/berries or other vegetarian food. I have caught carp on a dry fly tied to imitate the seeds of the Cottonwood tree.

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I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like At this time of year, probably normal spawning behavior. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

I just got back from musky fishing n the Chippewa flowage in nothern wisconsin and the carp were leaping out of the water all over in the shallows whilst nest building.  Unfortunately I snagged a redhorse in the middle of the back while casting a gold rapala.  Twenty minutes later and several hundred yards down the river where he dragged the boat he broke off.  I did not know what I had for the first fifteen minutes till he surfaced.  I had visions of making the cover of field and stream with my record musky and could hardly stand my knees were shaking so much.

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It’s just a guess but I think that Carp jump, not to catch a fly, but as part of their mating ritual.

For trout in the vicinity of spawning carp, a large peach or beige colored glow bug makes a good carp-egg imitation. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Hi Group, Gretchen and I are traveling to a fly tying expo in Eugene, OR (in the new car I bought her today for our wedding anniversary) and will be off line for a couple of days. Don’t worry, we will answer your emails as soon as possible. Any one in the Eugene area stop by the Lane County fair grounds and say hello. We would love to me all of you. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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: Gretchen and I are traveling to a fly tying expo in Eugene, OR (in the : new car I bought her today for our wedding anniversary) and will be off : line for a couple of days. Don’t worry, we will answer your emails as : soon as possible. Any one in the Eugene area stop by the Lane County : fair grounds and say hello. We would love to me all of you. I’ll be there if you will buy me a car Al.  How many years must I "put in" before I get one? Have fun. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Hi Group, Gretchen and I are traveling to a fly tying expo in Eugene, OR (in the new car I bought her today for our wedding anniversary) and will be off line for a couple of days. Don’t worry, we will answer your emails as soon as possible. Any one in the Eugene area stop by the Lane County fair grounds and say hello. We would love to me all of you. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

Happy Anniversary Al and Gretchen!!! Roger

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There is a new WWW site for Flyfishing. Try it and send comments. http://stenar.arnes.si/guest/ljzavodrib6/ Bojan IVANCIC Ljubljana, SLOVENIA

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IVANCIC) writes: There is a new WWW site for Flyfishing. Try it and send comments. http://stenar.arnes.si/guest/ljzavodrib6/ Bojan IVANCIC Ljubljana, SLOVENIA

Bojan, The web site looks real  nice. But you need some pictures of those big fat rainbows in the Krka River. You know, all the one’s I left behind. <G I demand a rematch! <G A quick note to everyone else, Slovenia is a great ff country and is full of some really nice people too. A very scenic place. The information in Gary Soucie’s book, "Traveling with Fly Rod and Reel" is mostly out of date as far as where to stay etc. Lots of the better hotels are now owned or operated by western companies and the rates are up by a huge factor. Still some good local bargain places if you look. Many of the streams are caulkstreams and the fish grow big and fat. Take a strong 6 wt or better rod and leave your 6X tippet material behind, if any of you ever get to go. Cost of fishing can be seem to be high for Americans but the fishing is very very good. Don Burns PS – The local beer goes down easily too.

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