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Say Lou, yesterday I stopped in the LLBean outlet in Perryville.   I got to chatting with one of the staff there about fly fishing, where I go, etc. Happened to mention Penns Creek & the ROFF clave.   He says there was just a guy in there recently who mentioned an upcoming trip to Penns with some internet group.  Was that you, or just a coincidence? Joe F. (Damn near bought some new waders, but managed to get out with my wallet intact.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers. Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report.

Actually, just a slow circular route. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’

Lest you give them the idea that I was heroic, I did have to meet up with Handyman Mike at the newly-arrived trailer. Plus, I told the camp ownership that I would settle up current finances(actually got money back, somehow) and finally Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john

John, John, John!!! Now, if you will remember, through the haze, I have a new, improved fishing car. I won’t cease to be safe until 2003 sometime. I will, of course drive it until about 2005.                                    thanks for the kind words, though                                      Tom

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Mighta been me. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Howdy All     Got my trailer down to Hemlock Acres Friday. Winds were wipping me and it all over the hiway 50 MPH max speed most of trip hell i went faster on rte 880 from Carroll to Millhiem. For those comming from the east i don’t think they will be done with construction by clave time. 84 east and west construction free. Around Scranton construction here and there on 81 south maybe they will make it a three lane prepare to go speed limit maybe slower. 80 east and west construction in the old exit 31a and b areas single lane for 4 miles all in all not a bad ride.     All you guys staying at the Cherry Run (aka N.C.Cabin) bring your tents cabin burnt to the ground last week. ( just kidding) Dave have a good trip to Coburn in April.     Handyman   Mike

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Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’ Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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He drives like you fish  In all honesty, thanks Tom.  You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around.  Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave.  saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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@slb3.atl.mindspring.net: Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside.  I’ll have to look around for better options.  Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds  : ) The Finn

Count me and Joe for two tents for the duration–at least until about thursday.  I might have one more tent for the beginning of the trip, and Andy Cooper will join us sometime.  He sleeps in his voyager. Is the meadow flatter than 75?  Maybe we should take that and forget 75.  I think we can only fit 4 or 5 tents there.  Are there any issues that aren’t coming into play here?  How far is the meadow to the bathroom? Scott

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He drives like you fish  In all honesty, thanks Tom.  You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around.  Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave.  saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

ditto….. you da claveman tom…. you da claveman. –wally

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What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.

Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside.  I’ll have to look around for better options.  Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds  : ) The Finn

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Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:     All in all, things look pretty promising so far  Tom L (snipped a great report)

Thanks for the update Tom.I can hardly wait! Regards,Flypaint(Shawn)

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Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Question:

wu-name?

Your name, if you were a member of the Wu-Tang Clan, which presumably you’re not. Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you. — Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3…7 [snipped] 8. Did verse, naked. That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you. Thanks, I think… Although something tells me I missed a smiley or two somewhere in there. –Steve

ZBone!!! –waldo <g ps, i don’t recall ever seeing timbo use smileys….

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A couple of hours is no exception for me.. but then again, juggling the letters ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ can obviously take some time. Here are the results: Rearranging the letters of ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ gives: Oh God! frictionless fury.

what we all wish, in tender moments of passion, to hear screamed <g waldo

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1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3…7 [snipped] 8. Did verse, naked. That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you.

Thanks, I think… Although something tells me I missed a smiley or two somewhere in there. –Steve

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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[solution snipped]

I can’t decide what’s more geeky. The fact that I spent an hour doing those dorky (that’s for you, Mike!) anagrams or the fact that you guys (Paul and Joe) solved them in half that time. –Steve (feeling progressively worse about that Amish joke)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native       7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

3 (you)       6 (me) /daytripper (who the heck is 5?)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native       7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

1 (wayno) 3 (you)       4 (louie) 6 (me) /daytripper (who *is* number 5?)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk!   6. So data-native       7. Never, baard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

1 (wayno) 3 (you)       4 (louie) 6 (me) 7 (rw) 8 (snedeker) /daytripper (MS Anti-Anagram 2K beta tester)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. Cool. | 1. Wayne Harrison 2. Walt Winter 3. Steve Zimmerman 4. Dave LaCourse 5. Ken Fortenberry 6. Dave Tatosian 7. Steve Barnard 8. David Snedeker

Oh, a couple of sharpies, eh? /daytripper (I’d just gotten Forty, too! 8-P)

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I don’t know which generator Zimbo tried.  Go to http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html and try your name.  The "Z" will mess you up.  Try your full middle name to get more to choose from.  Vangelic Surgeon is pretty cool. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

Cool. | | | | | | | | | | | | 1. Wayne Harrison 2. Walt Winter 3. Steve Zimmerman 4. Dave LaCourse 5. Ken Fortenberry 6. Dave Tatosian 7. Steve Barnard 8. David Snedeker

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1 Wayne Harrison 2 Walt winter 3 Stephen Zimmerman 4 Dave Lacourse 5 Ken Fortenberry 6 dave tatosian 7 Steve Banard 8 dave snedeker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! Steve Zimmerman 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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Zimbo writes: 4. Use a ‘Clave rod.

Shouldn’t that read:  Use a ‘clave, Rod. And it was the easiest one. Dave L.

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That was the first one I got. I saw reefer and your name didn’t fit… Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. 3 (you) 6 (me) /daytripper (who the heck is 5?)

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I can’t decide what’s more geeky. The fact that I spent an hour doing those dorky (that’s for you, Mike!) anagrams or the fact that you guys (Paul and Joe) solved them in half that time.

It was just timing.   I uncharacteristically found myself sitting with my laptop in front of the TV where SWMBO was watching "Judging Amy".   It was either work anagrams or have my brains sucked out of my head. Joe F.

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin

Wayno. 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man!

Steve Zimmerman I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…) Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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I took the names in Zimbo’s challenge and plugged them into the anagram generator. It came up with Wayne Harrison as an anagram for the first one. However, it didn’t find Walt Winter or even Winter out of the second one. My spell checker wants to replace Zimbo with Zombie or Zima Paul (If Zimbo drinks Zima he’ll be a Zombe)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know which generator Zimbo tried.  Go to http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html and try your name.  The "Z" will mess you up.  Try your full middle name to get more to choose from.  Vangelic Surgeon is pretty cool. JR I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

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I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

There’s a site, www.anagramgenius.com, that will take your text and e-mail you the anagrams.   It’s a one-at-a-time thing (they’re really just trying to sell you the software), but it’s a freebie.   Depending on the backlog, the response time can vary, but ten minutes is the longest I’ve waited. wu-name? Joe F.

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I took the names in Zimbo’s challenge and plugged them into the anagram generator. However, it didn’t find Walt Winter or even Winter out of the second one.

no big surprise…. some would argue i’ve been lost for years <g waldo

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A couple of hours is no exception for me.. but then again, juggling the letters ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ can obviously take some time. Here are the results: Rearranging the letters of ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ gives: Y-fronts if slouchier dog.              Y-fronts if slouchier god. Shod frostily configure.                Offishly scourged in rot. Rot or offishly seducing.               Scruffy, loonier dog shit. Roguishly sod off cretin.               Configure or filthy sods. Filthy scourger if on sod.              Y-fronts dig slouchier of. Turnoffs choose rigidly.                Officers don’t roguishly. His good if cruel Y-fronts.             Offishly courting doers. Odoriferous lynch gifts.                Sod! filthy of in scourger. Horrify seduction flogs.                Horridly scoffing to use. Unity girlhood scoffers.                Scoff ugly dishonorer it. Scourged or offishly tin.               It nor offishly scourged. Good! frostily fine crush.              If huge Y-fronts discolor. Scoff guilty dishonorer.                Offishly erotic grounds. Offishly groins to crude.               Roguishly tired on scoff. Heroic of dungs frostily.               Is godly, heroic turnoffs. I scourged offishly torn.               Offishly seducing rotor. Roguishly scoffed in rot.               Roguishly not dire scoff. Ghouls dirty on officers.               Offishly or erotic dungs. Floor touchy frigidness.                Ugh! frostily consider of. Gosh! frostily if on crude.             Frostily hogs if on crude. Gosh! dicier Y-fronts foul.             Fifty grouchiness drool. Oh God! is cruel if Y-fronts.           Forged foolish scrutiny. Rude or offishly costing.               Is rude scoffing or hotly. Cushy, ironfisted or flog.              Curses! off tiny girlhood. Ugly, horrific, often sods.             Historic guy of fondlers. Confused so filthy rigor.               Offishly or corniest dug. Offishly. Scourger in dot.              Offishly counted rigors. Goof if shirty scoundrel.               Of or shy cunts glorified. Frostily hogs in crude of.              Heroics dung frostily. Of. Grouchier of sits fondly.               Fondly if sorriest cough. Y-fronts foul dicier hogs.              Y-fronts if his good ulcer. Lousy, hot, direr scoffing.             Scoff sure tiny girlhood. Soften ugly, horrific sod.              Orgy of if this scoundrel. Scourged of or filthy sin.              Ignored offishly courts. Rude gits croon offishly.               Horridly scoff to genius. Curse It! off shy drooling.             Filthiness or goofy crud. Fondly if to his scourger.              Noisy or frightful codes. If the ground-floor cissy.              Sniff courtesy girlhood. Strongly officious herd.                Curse It! dog nor offishly. Curse It! god nor offishly.             Ridge offishly contours. Offishly roosting crude.                Rude git croons offishly. Horridly scoffing to sue.               Glorified or cushy fonts. Touchers glorify so find.               Scourger if fondly hoist. Stuffy heroics drooling.                Gosh! Y-fronts ridicule of. Y-fronts ridicule of hogs.              Rigid Y-fronts chose foul. Oh God! frictionless fury.              Sly touchers on frigid of. Odorously cringes fifth.                Sod! scourger if filthy no. If filthy donor scourges.               Coo! fourthly. Frigidness. Shifty drools configure.                Thirdly if on of scourges. Roguishly scoff not ride.               Gosh! crude of in frostily. Frostily choirs on fudge.               Fifty sorcerous holding. Fifty or old grouchiness.               Ouch! frigid Y-fronts lose. Forty if old grouchiness.               Tiny of if rough scolders. Turnoff chooses rigidly.                Off ugly, horrid sections. Horrific young sods left.               Scourged ‘n’ offishly riot. Recording outs offishly.                Offishly courted groins. Offishly crude or on gits.              Flies horrify good cunts. Good! scoff slithery ruin.              Do our slithery scoffing. Roguishly tried on scoff.               Cushion frostily forged. Curse It! if hogs or fondly.            Hedonistic or fury flogs. Off this lousy recording.               Let’s! horrid you scoffing. Directory hogs sinful of.               Dire turnoffs hog cosily. Dirty off slouchier song.               Rudely or to his scoffing. Shiftier, scornful goody.               Ugly, horrific soft nodes. Glory courts fiendish of.               Sorriest young off child. Offishly reducing so. Rot.              Offishly got so incurred. Shortly if so configured.               Scourged if on if shortly. Shortly scourged if in of.              Roguishly if forced snot. Tin or roguishly scoffed.               It nor roguishly scoffed. Roguishly do off cretins.               Soft! roguishly nice ford. Glorified so cushy front.               Shirty, configured fools. Shy scoffing or dire lout.              Fondly, is grouchier soft. Grouchier sod on stiffly.               Secondly rigorous fifth. Hoist or rudely scoffing.               Ugly, horrific of tends so. Filthy or configured SOS.               Filthy foods in scourger. If scourges or filthy don.              Filthy scourges rid on of. Good! filthy furies scorn.              It croons offishly urged. Crooners dug offishly. It.              Offishly. Rigor to dunces. Hourly scoffing so tired.               Slithery scoffing odour. Honestly or frigid focus.               Of in of scourges thirdly. Greyhounds off clitoris.                So touchy of girlfriends. Hysteric if fool grounds.               Rigorous if soft lynched. Touch! of snores frigidly.              Horrific guess to fondly. Is hot scourger if fondly.              Scruffy, idle or shooting. Stuffy dishonorer logic.                Is huge if cold or Y-fronts. Good! icier Y-fronts flush.             Y-fronts foul heroics dig. Ferocity dishonors gulf.                This loony drug officers. Tiny, foolish, crude frogs.             Yes scoffing horrid lout. Ghouls cry ironfisted of.               Dirtying so or foul chefs. In godly, sorcerous fifth.              On stodgy, horrific fuels. Young, horrific felt sods.              Offishly, is good current. I don’t offishly. Scourger.             Offishly do tin scourger. Offishly sign or to crude.              If of or shortly seducing. I scoffed roguishly torn.               Ghostly of if so incurred. Good! cushy or fine flirts.             Fools if touchy grinders. Slouchy, ironfisted frog.               Horny of flogs crudities. Frigid, uncool shyster of.              Frostily forced housing. Oh No! scourged if firstly.             Not defy so horrific slug. Curses! on fifty girlhood.              Is huge Y-fronts frolic do. Y-fronts if so rogue child.             Consider if frosty ghoul. 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 I find a 6 weight rod is a supurb compromise in that it is not worth a damn for either. You go Big Dale. Best gawdang advise posted here in months. A 6wt, imo, is the  ultimate all-around weight rod for flyfishing. From nc small-stream trout, to cedar key redfish, a 6wt is the best all- around weight rod any flyfisher can have in his arsenal.

Bullshit, a six weight is the most useless weight to own for any fly fisherman who owns more than one rod. Get a 4/5 and then a 7. Too damn big for MOST trout and pan fishing and too damn small for MOST sw and fw application. There’s a reason I only own one six weight <g — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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if the drag on your reel is of sufficient quality, and if your tippet is sufficiently strong, and if you have sufficient experience, then landing a 100lb tarpon on a 3wt should be no different than doing the same thing on a 9wt, *assuming you can deliver the fly to the fish*.  

You could probably kill a tarpon with a 3wt, but I doubt you could lift it to the boat with a 3wt. Bigger fly rods have purpose other than delivering bigger files. FWIW — Charlie…

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Bigger fly rods have purpose other than delivering bigger files. FWIW

Sounds like you may already own that ultimate rod RW was talking about. Does it deliver Chinese food and pizza as well? <g –Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I find a 6 weight rod is a supurb compromise in that it is not worth a damn for either. You go Big Dale. Best gawdang advise posted here in months. A 6wt, imo, is the  ultimate all-around weight rod for flyfishing. From nc small-stream trout, to cedar key redfish, a 6wt is the best all- around weight rod any flyfisher can have in his arsenal. Bullshit, a six weight is the most useless weight to own for any fly fisherman who owns more than one rod. Get a 4/5 and then a 7. Too damn big for MOST trout and pan fishing and too damn small for MOST sw and fw application. There’s a reason I only own one six weight <g — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

ehh? please allow me shuffle my feet and to clarify…. *if* I only had one rod available to me, *and* i wanted to fish many different situations, a 9′ 6wt would be my choice, lines down. that is the advise i received when i first started flyfishing down in FL and it, imo, was very good advise. it allowed me to fish in many different waters with very little monetary outlay. now that i own many different rods for different fishing situations, the 6wt is rarely used any more. however, it will be dusted-off very soon for chasin’ chromers. walt fellow expert in creating tailing loops and windknots otherwise up-to-my-knees-in-trout in God’s Country <g

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8<…. if the drag on your reel is of sufficient quality, and if your tippet is sufficiently strong, and if you have sufficient experience, then landing a 100lb tarpon on a 3wt should be no different than doing the same thing on a 9wt, *assuming you can deliver the fly to the fish*.  let me repeat that:  *assuming you can deliver the fly to the fish*.  of course, in the real world, that is a rare assumption. wayno

wayno, with all due respect, fighting a 100 pound tarpon "properly" would destroy a 3wt rod. i say "properly" in the context of releasing the fish unharmed in a timely manner so that the fish could live to return to his environment, "unchanged", or more aptly stated, "wild." the length of time it would take to land a 100 pound tarpon on a 3wt, imo, would kill the fish either by exhaustion or by shark attack. that said, if you had said "hook" vs "landed" i could have agreed with you….it would be possible to deliver a thinly-dressed streamer using a 3wt to a cruising tarpon. why anyone would choose to do so is dahlwhinnian…. to clarify, hitch a ride with zimbo tomorrow am and i’ll put you on a mountain-version "tarpon" with your 3wt. <g –kamloopy wataugan waldo — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Bullshit, a six weight is the most useless weight to own for any fly fisherman who owns more than one rod. Get a 4/5 and then a 7. Too damn big for MOST trout and pan fishing and too damn small for MOST sw and fw application. There’s a reason I only own one six weight <g — Wayne Knight

and I have four (counting the mix & match East Branch) and it’s my most frequently used weight.  - diffferent folks, different strokes. (8′, 8′ 6", 9′ 6", & 10′6") Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’m looking to building a fly rod this winter just for yucks.  I’ve done several casting rods in the past, but this would be a first. Can anybody recommend a good blank to use – expense isn’t really a factor, so any recommendation would be appreciated. Thanks.

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I’m looking to building a fly rod this winter just for yucks. … Can anybody recommend a good blank to use …

You’ll have to tell us more about yucks. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m looking to building a fly rod this winter just for yucks. … Can anybody recommend a good blank to use … You’ll have to tell us more about yucks.

He is my evil twin.      :)

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I’m looking to building a fly rod this winter just for yucks. … Can anybody recommend a good blank to use … You’ll have to tell us more about yucks. He is my evil twin.      :)

Ah, so you want to build a rod capable of tossing a bottle of scotch 60 feet and landing a 185 lb twin. Definitely a 12wt. — Ken Fortenberry

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He is my evil twin.

Oh shit, not another one of those!   <g For a cheap intro to rod building, I’d still stay away from anything too crummy.   After all, when you’re done, you do want to be proud of it and fish with it.   My first few rods were built on higher end St. Croix blanks. Well below $100 each.   I also just started on one that’s a discontinued Loomis blank (IM6) I bought off Ebay for about 40 bucks.   There are also some dealers out there who have a supply of discontinued blanks.   D&E Rods (www.danderods.com) is one.   I have a nice 3 wt. Loomis IMX blank from them awaiting my attention (don’t remember that price, but it was cheap enough that I bought a blank I don’t need.) Either way you go, I recommend a decent blank.   The hardware cost and time invested are too much to put it into a practice stick.   Even if you screw it up cosmetically, it will still fish well (I have one or two that fit that category.) Joe F.

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The range and type of fly-rod blanks is very extensive. You will need to give us more information about what you wish to fish for, and under what circumstances, before we could be of any real assistance. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking to building a fly rod this winter just for yucks.  I’ve done several casting rods in the past, but this would be a first. Can anybody recommend a good blank to use – expense isn’t really a factor, so any recommendation would be appreciated. Thanks.

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If anyone out there disagrees with me then I’ve got an only-once-used 6wt 3-piece Diamondback rod and matching Hardy reel I’ll sell at a very fair price –Steve

See below.  I’ve already got a 3 pce Diamondback 6 wt. with a Hardy reel but who knows, I might need a spare some day. $10.00 ?  <g Peter

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Good for you. There are whores, and there are whores.  The main thing is to make sure you live happy, and if possible die in the same condition. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de Yes, I’m a whore. My first fly rod, a Martin 6wt with matching martin 6 wt

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You go Big Dale. Best gawdang advise posted here in months. A 6wt, imo, is the ultimate all-around weight rod for flyfishing. From nc small-stream trout, to cedar key redfish, a 6wt is the best all-around weight rod any flyfisher can have in his arsenal. Huh??? What happened to the *real* Walt Winter?? Not only would the real Waldo never recommend owning only one rod, but the real Waldo wouldn’t get caught dead on an NC stream *or* cedar key with a 6-weight rod.

        i don’t know what the hell this has to do with anything, or whether it makes any difference to anyone who might read this sort of thing (what *are* we doing discussing fly rods on roff, anyway?), but in my damn near fifty years of fishing with a fly rod, i have never owned a 6 weight rod.  in fact, i have never cast a heavier line than a 5 for trout, even when we girded our loins for the fabled big water and high winds of montana.  i think the issue is almost completely controlled by the question of what the size and weight of the fly might be.  if the drag on your reel is of sufficient quality, and if your tippet is sufficiently strong, and if you have sufficient experience, then landing a 100lb tarpon on a 3wt should be no different than doing the same thing on a 9wt, *assuming you can deliver the fly to the fish*.  let me repeat that:  *assuming you can deliver the fly to the fish*.  of course, in the real world, that is a rare assumption. wayno

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You go Big Dale. Best gawdang advise posted here in months. A 6wt, imo, is the ultimate all-around weight rod for flyfishing. From nc small-stream trout, to cedar key redfish, a 6wt is the best all-around weight rod any flyfisher can have in his arsenal.

Huh??? What happened to the *real* Walt Winter?? Not only would the real Waldo never recommend owning only one rod, but the real Waldo wouldn’t get caught dead on an NC stream *or* cedar key with a 6-weight rod. I say buy two rods. A 7′6" 3wt for trout and (if you must) a 9′ 7wt for bass. If cost is an issue then buy two inexpensive rods. If anyone out there disagrees with me then I’ve got an only-once-used 6wt 3-piece Diamondback rod and matching Hardy reel I’ll sell at a very fair price –Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You go Big Dale. Best gawdang advise posted here in months. A 6wt, imo, is the ultimate all-around weight rod for flyfishing. From nc small-stream trout, to cedar key redfish, a 6wt is the best all-around weight rod any flyfisher can have in his arsenal. Huh??? What happened to the *real* Walt Winter?? Not only would the real Waldo never recommend owning only one rod, but the real Waldo wouldn’t get caught dead on an NC stream *or* cedar key with a 6-weight rod. I say buy two rods. A 7′6" 3wt for trout and (if you must) a 9′ 7wt for bass. If cost is an issue then buy two inexpensive rods. If anyone out there disagrees with me then I’ve got an only-once-used 6wt 3-piece Diamondback rod and matching Hardy reel I’ll sell at a very fair price –Steve

Yes, I’m a whore. My first fly rod, a Martin 6wt with matching martin 6 wt reel, was last used catching a steelie here in NC. It was first used catching bass on watermelon pond and it has also been used catching more species than any other rod in my inventory. Reminiscing, it has caught largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, suwanee bass, sunshine bass, peacock bass, many varieties of panfish, specs, redfish, black drum, snook, trout, stripers, weakfish, bonefish, gar, pickerel, barracuda, shad, tarpon, cobia (damn near lost it on that bad boy), mackeral, crevalles, ladyfish, and of course, that gorgeous chromer last winter in the company of that fine southern gentleman, Tom Brown. The butt of this rod  is still used daily as I use it as a reel "holder" when I manually load reels for sale. This rod is as much a part of me as my soul, as a matter of fact, blasphemously, one could say it is part and parcel of my soul. but i digress. my affliction spread like the plague. i acquired numerous rods and reels to fit certain needs, some psychological. although i suck at it, i even took up tying flies. i still was far from being satiated….. so, i opened a "flyshop". i now have more gawdang gear than any sane person should be allowed to possess. hundreds of reels and of rods, seemingly, enough line, leader & tippet to circumvent the earth. yet, be still, the fire burns hotter. my fervant desire now, as all invoices are paid, is to retire with all of this cool stuff. mine, all mine <g i, waldo, am a whore. ww — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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 I find a 6 weight rod is a supurb compromise in that it is not worth a damn for either.

You go Big Dale. Best gawdang advise posted here in months. A 6wt, imo, is the ultimate all-around weight rod for flyfishing. From nc small-stream trout, to cedar key redfish, a 6wt is the best all-around weight rod any flyfisher can have in his arsenal. –walt Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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[snip] All good advice and I’ll add just one little bit more.  You can get away with a 7 or 8 wt. for small fish if you can find a short, slow action version and build it with a standard trout handle.  I lucked into an old 8′ 6" Orvis Green Mountain with a slow – moderate action and a small handle (no fighting butt.)  I’d have no difficulty using it for anything.  I’ve caught smallies under a pound that put a decent bend in it yet it’ll toss a 2/0 streamer about 80′.  I’ve tried a Fenwick HMGF 8′6" 7 wt. that also impressed me as a good all-round rod. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Ken wrote snip:Like I said, it’s a tough call, maybe some of the other warmwater guys in the group can recommend one and only one blank for both bluegill & bass but I’m afraid you have me stumped.

I think Ken is correct. I love my little 3 weight rods for bluegill and I take my fair share of bass on them, but they are all small bass. I don’t think I have landed a bass of over 3 pounds on one of them. There is no way in hell I can use a 3 weight to cast the flies that work best for large bass with a rod that small. I most often use  a 7 to 10 weight rod when I am fishing for sizable bass.  I find a 6 weight rod is a supurb compromise in that it is not worth a damn for either. Big Dale

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RE choose a rod blank for "pan fish to bass?" Sandy’s treatise on blank choosing with an angle: A 6-weight rod is generally considered the most versatile trout rod. With a 6-weight you can cast anything from an itty-bitty mayfly on a 7x tippet to a #2 woolly bugger on 0x tippet. But if you want to cast pike flies, bass worms or extra-bushy bass poppers, you will probably want a 7 or 8 weight rod. I like 9′ rods. But some people think they have more control over shorter (8′) rods. Once you have the size down, you still have to zero in on cost and action. Some guys (actually) like soft, slow action rods, like many built by Orvis, Winston or Powell. Slow action rods are easier to cast, more graceful to use. But they don’t handle heavy flies, wind or distance casting very well. Orvis, Winston and Powell make some moderately fast rods too. The fastest, most powerful casting canons I know of are made by Sage and Loomis. Someone told me Scott makes a powerful rod, but I never tried one. Cost? The most expensive rods are the best. But how much better are they? Not a whole lot, I don’t think. I have some fly rods that cost almost $600 bucks. They’re damn good rods. But I have a few (Sage, Loomis and Cabelas) that (for finished rods) cost $180 to $220. And they’re damned good rods too. Who makes Cabelas blanks anyway? It’s Loomis isn’t it? There are some really cheap graphite fly rods showing up now, like those made by Eagle Claw. Has anybody tried those? If you like soft, slow action rods, I can’t see any reason to buy an expensive one. What you get–with more money–is casting power. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh   –O0  * http://cns.montana.edu/~sandy/  */

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That’s a tough prescription to fill, Tom. I like a 3wt for bluegill and a 7wt for bass. Logically then a 5wt would be your blank of choice but I don’t think you’d be happy with it in either situation. Not that it wouldn’t work, I used an old 8′ Garcia Conolon 7/8wt for years as my one and only flyrod for bass & bluegill in the days before I knew any better and I caught a lot of fish and had great time with it. The other consideration besides rod weight is action. I like a slow action for most situations, my canoe bluegill rod is a 9′ Winston 3wt, but for tossin’ big, wind eatin’ bass bugs a faster action works better for me, something along the lines of the discontinued Sage RPL series. Like I said, it’s a tough call, maybe some of the other warmwater guys in the group can recommend one and only one blank for both bluegill & bass but I’m afraid you have me stumped. — Ken Fortenberry

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Yucks,  slang, corruption of middle English, German Jux. =For fun TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’ll have to tell us more about yucks. — Ken Fortenberry

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The range and type of fly-rod blanks is very extensive. You will need to give us more information about what you wish to fish for, and under what circumstances, before we could be of any real assistance.

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In which case, I at least, am unable to help much. I have never fished for such species. Someone else will doubtless be able to help you with regard to weight length etc. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The range and type of fly-rod blanks is very extensive. You will need to give us more information about what you wish to fish for, and under what circumstances, before we could be of any real assistance.

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Well, I got back around 12 Sunday night from fishing in West Yellowstone with Ray Danen and his father Wayne (the people I met here on ROFF that are visiting from NM).  I stayed up until midnight tying flies that I thought would be productive.  I eventually went to bed around 1:30 am and got up at 3 am so I could meet them in West Yellowstone at 6 am.  After getting about 45 minutes away I remembered that I forgot the box of dries that I had tied for them and remembered only the nymphs.   We met in the morning at 6 am in front of one of the fly shops in West Yellowstone.  The air was cool, but the skies were clear and there was just a slight hint of a breeze.  We decided to have a bite first so we went to a cafe and got some breakfast.  They began to tell me how they had fished around Jackson Hole and that the wind had been terrible and conditions were almost unfishable.  I assured them that we would all catch fish today.  Okay, maybe not the smartest thing, but I wanted them to enjoy themselves and the probability for catching fish is pretty good in this area. After breakfast we drove down close to Quake Lake and planned on walking up the Madison close to Hebgen dam from there.  The wind started to pick up before we even saw the water.  As we hiked in we noticed several cars pulled alongside the road.  I know the three of us were a sight, but we couldn’t figure out what they were looking at.  As we walked on I saw a moose and we decided to give it a wide berth.  We eventually reached a little creek that empties into Quake Lake and started fishing our way down to the lake. Wayne is new to fly fishing so I stayed with him and tried to give him some pointers.  We found a nice hole and proceeded to fish it despite the increasing wind.  I was suprised at how fast Wayne picked things up and his eagerness to learn.  His casting was rough, but he could get some distance.  Just had a few minor adjustments that needed to be made and the wind wasn’t helping any. As we fished the hole Wayne seemed to improve with each cast.  Ray walked on ahead and began fishing another nice hole.  We ended up with nothing from either hole so we continued on.  I pretty much stayed with Wayne as he and Ray fished several other holes.  We finally fished our way down to Quake Lake and still hadn’t caught a single fish and we covered some pretty nice water so I was beginning to wonder how the day was going to turn out. We walked along the Lake sharing tidbits of info on the Quake Lake disaster and planned on fishing the mouth of the lake.  I don’t know why, but it is kind of eerie there.  I think it has to do with being at a site knowing that several people died there and are still buried under the rubble.  When we reached the mouth we decided to split up and fish the mouth.  Fish started rising so we began thinking today was going to shape up to be okay after all. We saw several small bugs (I’m not an entimologist so don’t ask) so decided to each try something different.  I tried a small parachute adams, Ray tied on a small BWO and I forget what Wayne tied on.  After several casts we had not even gotten a nudge.  Ray switched to a small PMD and on his first cast landed a small rainbow.  Okay, now we are starting to get somewhere.  At least Ray isn’t going to be skunked today.  I switched flies, switched again, switched yet again.  Guess I’m not going to be so lucky and it doesn’t look like Wayne is either. We moved around and fished the area and I found a group of small fish working an eddy.  There was one or two that looked to be decent size so I cast a small parachute BWO.  A small fish rose and I set the hook.  No fish.  Cast again. Same result.  Cast again.  Same.  After several casts I finally hooked a fish. I landed a beautiful, couldn’t be outdone…….roughly 10" whitefish.  Ah shit, hope nobody saw that.  Sure enough they did.  We continued our way up and found several other pods of rising whiteys. Enter Frosty  the Freaking Snowman.  Clouds began to move in and the temp dropped quite a bit.  The wind began to pick up more and little white flakes of snow started to fall.  Things were starting to turn ugly so we started moving up river faster.  Ray eventually lands a couple more whiteys.  Wayne and I weren’t having much success at all.  I had hooked into 2 fish and lost both while Wayne lost 1. My hope is starting to dwindle, but the best water is yet to come so we decide to just go there.  I fished every hole that normally holds fish with no success.  One more lost fish and that was it.  Ray landed a rainbow that was about 14".  Wayne, nothing. Then  Frosty decides to give us another dose.  It was pretty neat to see.  As the snow increased, the fish began to go nuts.  I casted and casted and casted and could not land one.  Several more missed fish.  Probably just more white fish. We end the day just like that and returned to West Yellowstone for some dinner.  They asked if I wanted to go out again Monday and since I didn’t have to work until 6 pm I thought I could spare a few hours. We met Monday morning and decided to go fish a stretch of the Madison.  It is really just a channel of the Madison, but it is one of my favorite spots.  I have never been skunked here and thought it would restore some faith and heal my wounded soul/ego. Well, when we got there Ray noticed the water was a little off color.  It was a milky green that I had never seen before.  We decided to go on and fish it. The weather was shaping up to be much better than the day before and I was hopeful that we would all catch fish. Since I had to leave early I decided to fish the stretch quickly.  I moved on ahead and went to my first honey hole.  No luck.  Next hole, one bite, next hole no luck, next hole no luck, next hole one bite.  And on and on it went. And to make matters worse the weather began to deteriorate.  Frozen rain began to fall fast and furious as the temperature took another dice. I came across a couple of dead fish and one that was lying belly up taking its last breaths.  I still don’t understand what was happening in the water.  Algae bloom?  I went to my favorite hole on this stretch that has ALWAYS provided for me.  Hell, I even took my wife there and she caught her first fish on a fly rod there.  Tons of fish in this pool.  I couldn’t go wrong here. Well, you can guess what happened.  I hooked into a fish and my damn line broke!  After fishing the hole for another 30 minutes with no luck I decided I had better go check on my companions and see what time it was.  I met up with Ray and Wayne and found out that Ray had caught 3 fish and lost one good one. We talked for awhile and went back up to the vehicles and said our goodbyes and decided that we might try again Friday if they are still around. What a tale of woe!  I’ve never had such bad luck and now think I am in the worst slump of my life.  Can only wonder what the hell they think of my "great places" and "guarantees" now.  I know one thing: I feel like shit and need a beer.  Hell, I couldn’t even come up with a good title for this piece because all the good ones are taken.  "Paradise Lost" is out.  "Tough Trip through Paradise" is out

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<snip That kinda defeats the purpose.  It’s just not the same giving a boxed gift as opposed to something handmade especially for an individual.

  I would definitely agree with this comment! I know my son cherishes his rod I made for him! Especially if he gets to help you make it. Gary

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Another way to go is to find a suitable spinning rod blank and make it into a fly rod. I did this for my son when he was about 6. We went down to Shoff’s Tackle (http://www.shofftackle.com/) and found a 6′ 2 piece blank that seemed to have a nice light action. Once I made the rod up it took a 5wt and cast like a dream.

Anyone else try this, I would be interested in hearing your results. Tim Apple

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I have to agree with this.  I started my 9 year old son this year, thinking that a 7′6" rod would be better since he is smaller.  We tried several rods, and he had an easier time with an 8′6" rod. The extra length helps him keep the line off the ground and helps to generate a little more line speed. I have built three rods on the PacBay blanks from H&H, 9′ 3wt, 7′9" 3wt, and 9′ 7wt.  The 9′ 3wt is REALLY nice.  The 7′9" rod could stand a 4wt line easily.  I haven’t had enough time with the 7wt to form much of an opinion yet, haven’t had it on water yet. The PacBay and H&H brand blanks are identical except for color. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know nothing about building rods. But as to going shorter and lighter because its a kid . . . I wouldn’t. The requirements of the stream and fish don’t change with the size of the fisher.  So, I’d go for an 8, 8.5, 4 to 6 weight, assuming a mix of bass, trout, occasional searun and silvers, plus that big old carp he will eventually staulk one summer. Id go for sturdy and full size. Besides, kids tend to look on stuff scaled for them as "kid stuff". "Real stuff" is adult sized. Dave

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I would advise against a 2 weight for a beginner. I have a 2 weight and I love it, I  use it more than all my other rods combined, but, as my brother puts it "takes forever to cast line out using light rods". Two weeks ago a guide described my brother to a fellow as "the guy that casts 50 ft with a 1 weight rod in THAT wind" (it was a very windy day in Paradise Valley). IMHO, a short 4 weight would be a much better choice for a young beginner. There are numerous very light, short 4 weight rods that ought to do the trick. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : have a 6′6" 2wt blank that with web discount sells for $36. I have no experience, but doesn’t everyone say that a kid shouldn’t be started on very light-weight rods, like a 2wt? Don’t know, I’ve heard conflicting opinions.  My gut feeling tells me that for a little kid, a short lightweight rod will be easier to handle. If you really want a light-weight rod, many people will second my on saying: just buy him the Cabela’s 3forks 3wt combo. Rod, reel, line, leader, no hassle, $49 or so. BTW, it’s a 7′6" rod. That kinda defeats the purpose.  It’s just not the same giving a boxed gift as opposed to something handmade especially for an individual. Thanks,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."    - Henry David Thoreau

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Ken I’ve casted a number of 6′ 6" rods and I’ve only ever liked one as they transmitted very little feel to the hand. Personally, I’d prefer a slower rod, but it doesn’t seem like anyone produces shorter rods with slow actions.  Anyone have a suggestion? Try a fibatube deluxe carbon fly rod (this company produces the

blanks for Hardys).As you may know an equivalent rod thru Hardy will cost you double. You can buy a completed rod in England FIBATUBE 7 ft 2pc for

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  I am headed north of Anchorage next week toward Talkeetna.  Can anyone recommend a tackle shop for supplies and info for me along this route? Thanks. Elbert Bivins

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McAfee’s Fly Shop, Anchorage Mountain View Sports, Anchorage Valley Rod Shop, Wasilla Beyond that you can get some odds and ends stuff at most of the hardware, groceriy, and outdoor shops. In Talkeetna, Steve Mahay at Mahay’s Riverboat Service supports the fly fishing crowd and usually has some supplies. Always a good spot for info. You should also check out the Alaska Flyfishers web site at www.akflyfishers.org They have a flyfishing forum section where you can post questions and get answers to probably most of your questions. Lance Hankins I have nothing against Golf. I suspect it keeps legions of the Unworthy from discovering fly fishing… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I am headed north of Anchorage next week toward Talkeetna.  Can anyone recommend a tackle shop for supplies and info for me along this route? Thanks. Elbert Bivins

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They will maul rabbit strip flies that act like sluggos–tubers and sluggo flies and double-bunnies–as well as buck-n-bunnies.  I’d keep my dahlbergs for something a bit less toothy. We catch a lot of pickerel on flies here even after the hardware anglers have been through because the neutral-bouyancy fly seems to bring them on.  Good luck. d

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I’m brand new to fly-fishing, so I’ve only been lurking at this ng for a month or so (hadda wait for Jon Ernst to leave before I even *dared* make a post).  Anyway, I live right by a nasty little pond in Northern Florida, said pond dominated by some pretty large chain pickerel and Florida gar.  I’m very interested in tangling with these thugs, so I’m looking for some recommendations on the type of fly I should use, as well as sage words about leaders/tippets.  

In one of his books, John Geirach writes about catching gar on flyrods. Apparently, some guys make "flies" made up of frayed out pieces of nylon rope – no hooks!  It seems that you can’t "hook" a gar – their jaws are too bony.  If they strike the frayed rope, it will tangle around their teeth and you can haul them in.  What you do after you haul them in, I can’t say.  I actually tried this in the Outer Banks (yes, their are gar there) but I didn’t get any strikes.  Oh, well, John didn’t catch any either.

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Try Dalberg Divers. I’m brand new to fly-fishing, so I’ve only been lurking at this ng for a month or so (hadda wait for Jon Ernst to leave before I even *dared* make a post).  Anyway, I live right by a nasty little pond in Northern Florida, said pond dominated by some pretty large chain pickerel and Florida gar.  I’m very interested in tangling with these thugs, so I’m looking for some recommendations on the type of fly I should use, as well as sage words about leaders/tippets.  

Divers would probably be as good as anything – and just about anything *large* would probably work. While actually fishing for smallies, I’ve caught pickerel on everything from wool headed rabbits to deer hair mice. With them damn gar around, a bite guard of some kind would probably be warranted. 100 pound Mason, or even plastic coated stranded stainless wire might be a good idea – if you want to get through the day without losing too many of those large flies… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "XX" from my address to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

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Try Dalberg Divers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy, I’m brand new to fly-fishing, so I’ve only been lurking at this ng for a month or so (hadda wait for Jon Ernst to leave before I even *dared* make a post).  Anyway, I live right by a nasty little pond in Northern Florida, said pond dominated by some pretty large chain pickerel and Florida gar.  I’m very interested in tangling with these thugs, so I’m looking for some recommendations on the type of fly I should use, as well as sage words about leaders/tippets.   TIA, Mark to reply, remove "killuce" from address.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy, I’m brand new to fly-fishing, so I’ve only been lurking at this ng for a month or so (hadda wait for Jon Ernst to leave before I even *dared* make a post).  Anyway, I live right by a nasty little pond in Northern Florida, said pond dominated by some pretty large chain pickerel and Florida gar.  I’m very interested in tangling with these thugs, so I’m looking for some recommendations on the type of fly I should use, as well as sage words about leaders/tippets.   TIA, Mark to reply, remove "killuce" from address.

Used to catch all kinds of pickerel all kinds of ways as a kid, including on fly.  I don’t think there is anything they won’t hit.  Try a Wooly Bugger or a bass  popper.  Use about 30 pound clear mono for a bite guard (stay away from wire, they won’t hit) and don’t be afraid to move it around a bit. Good Luck — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ Striped Bass on the Roanoke River, Hybrids on Jordan Lake, Largemouths on surface.  Pickup and dropoff in Research Triangle Park

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Howdy, I’m brand new to fly-fishing, so I’ve only been lurking at this ng for a month or so (hadda wait for Jon Ernst to leave before I even *dared* make a post).  Anyway, I live right by a nasty little pond in Northern Florida, said pond dominated by some pretty large chain pickerel and Florida gar.  I’m very interested in tangling with these thugs, so I’m looking for some recommendations on the type of fly I should use, as well as sage words about leaders/tippets.   TIA, Mark to reply, remove "killuce" from address.

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______DEAR MARTIN:  Someone else is going to have to verify this, but I think I remember hearing someone mention that the U-Tube has an unseen dangerous aspect to it . . . but I don’t remember what it was. Possibly, someone else knows what that dangerous design feature is or if it groundless. George — MZ

Hi George As I recall there was a magazine article in Fly Fisherman in the late 1980’s in which tests were done in a swimming pool with various float tubes. The U Tube seems to be easier to tip over as I remember what I read. Those of you on this group with a better memory than me may know exactly which magazine and when. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At one time, I did some product testing for the Creek Company before they moved to their present location.  I’ve used their tubes and others….and am currently using one that was designed by the Wood River Company in Chico, CA.  I would recommend the Wood River products highly. Barry Brown Hello out there! Is there anyone in this newsgroup, who has experience, or know anything, about a belly boat from Creek Company. The type is an U-form (U-shape, I’m not quite sure about the right word). If you have any information on this boat, I would be happy to hear your opinion. — Martin B. Hedegaard V

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I will be in Dayton Ohio this summer and wonder if there is any flyfishing to be had.  I am thinking smallies more than trout but I am not particularly picky.  Any hatches to match during summer (such as white fly) ?  Any good streams and access points ? Flyshops in the area ? Any info greatly appreciated, tight lines, Mark

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Mark- The StillWater just NW of Dayton has (I am told) great smallies.  The Mad, which is N/NE of Dayton has Trout but the bad spring has kept take light. Sorry I don’t have any details, I’m just getting started w/this Fly stuff. Good luck

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in Dayton Ohio this summer and wonder if there is any flyfishing to be had.  I am thinking smallies more than trout but I am not particularly picky.  Any hatches to match during summer (such as white fly) ?  Any good streams and access points ? Flyshops in the area ? Any info greatly appreciated, tight lines, Mark

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I read about a Fly Fishing list serve and I wrote down the address on a trout that I caught and released. Just kidding. OK. I’am Mr. Catch and Release. So, anyway…does anyone out there know of the address so I can get on this list serve? Thank you for your support. Remember: The future isn’t what it use to be. Mr.Polk . —

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