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Yo. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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But why not deal with personal conflicts by e-mail so that Roffians who hate this stuff are not forced to read (and tempted to join in).

I’ve dipped in & out of this group a few times over the past 3 years or so, and have made and heard made the same comments as yours several times. Each time (as it will likely do now) the response will confirm that the majority of the people who actually POST in this group ENJOY it being a place where playground games are played. I think it’s just a combination of the topic not having as much objective discussion potential (there’s an argument right there), and that the outspoken people are, uh, outspoken. There’s another group called alt.flyfishing that I think was started to get away from this, but it is pretty pathetic when you have to giev up an entire newsgroup because the majority of posters (remember they do post!) want to talk about something else. And there’s me pontificating off-topic too. — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Video, Audio, Print & the Web Washington DC & London

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being one of those who read a number of discussions on ROFF in the past few months – without participating myself – I have a few remarks that might shine some light on this issue. The majority of ROFF post is limited to relatively few people, let’s say some fifty "regulats". Plus an additional number of posters who take part only occasionally. Most Roffians are American, some are Canadian or British, only quite a few are European or from other parts of the world. To Europeans like myself  - who master the English language well enough to comprehend the interesting discussions on FF – the discussions on other subjects than FF are irrelevant, often annoying and sometimes impossible to understand because they require a thorough and detailed insight in the American way of life, which most of us have not.Though there are contributors who have interesting and valuable information both for newbies and skilled fly fishermen it’s too bad that ROFF is so often abused with crap.(I must admit, however, that it can be amazing to observe how easily Americans cross swords and how they fight their verbal wars!) But why not deal with personal conflicts by e-mail so that Roffians who hate this stuff are not forced to read (and tempted to join in). Well, my overall impression of ROFF is definitively a positive one – though I am well aware of the fact that many fly fishermen prefer to keep out of the heat, pick up the information they can use and leave it to that. If certain sunscribers would participate in a more diciplined manner and focus on what should bring us together – FF being our core business for that matter – ROFF may offer an even more suitable forum in the exchange of FF know how, discussion on FF issues and establishing contacts between individual Roffians. I’m stepping in – still eager to learn – addicted to FF (among other things) as long as I’m going strong!

Thank you Henk.  It’s always good to read a well reasoned message in this asylum.  I cannot speak for the group (well, o.k., I often DO, but they don’t like it), but I really do appreciate your insights……despite disagreeing with some of the particulars.      :) It is an accident of history that the majority of participants here are American and that the common language used is English.  There isn’t much that anyone can do about this.  However, as the vast majority of Americans are monolingual, it seems to me that you have us at something of a disadvantage in that you can harangue us, without comprehension on our part (let alone fear of retribution), in whatever your native language may be.  Not only will this allow you to have your say, and without contributing to what many see as unproductive flame wars but, if experience is any teacher, many of us will be stunned into a bemused silence. I grew up in a European household, albeit a transplanted one.  I have also studied a bit of history.  It is thus with complete confidence that I say I don’t believe contentiousness to be a peculiarly American trait.  If I read the books aright, various European, Africans, South Americans, Asians, and our friends in the antipodes have all crossed swords from time to time, both intramurally and internationally.  As appealing as the metaphor is though, it should be noted that what goes on here is, in fact, a bit less dramatic, not to mention downright traumatic, than outright warfare.  In truth, it is no different than what can be observed to this day in the marketplaces and other public fora of Istanbul, Seattle, Paris, Sao Paolo, Canberra, Beijing, and a thousand other places.  Moreover, as divisive as it all must seem, it is VERY important to remember that what has gone on here for years, and what continues to go on now, has had quite the opposite effect of what one might imagine. Even as I write these words plans are underway for several gatherings to take place in the near future.  These events will be attended by dozen of people who have already met and enjoyed one another’s company as a direct result of participation in this forum, and dozens more who have not yet had the pleasure but will undoubtedly, if the past is any guide, come away with pleasant memories and a strong desire to do it again.  To be sure, most of these claves have occurred on American soil and been attended mostly be Americans.  But this is to be expected given the demographics.  On the other hand, the first "official" European ROFFian clave is shortly to take place.  I’m sure we ALL hope that this sets a precedent which will bear fruit in the years to come.  Even more, I am also sure that virtually all of the regular participants here harbor some hope of attending such an event and meeting their European and other international friends; for, make no mistake about it, true friendships have been built here and continue to be, whatever the dots on the screen may suggest to the contrary. It is my sincere hope that I will be among the lucky ones to greet guests from another country at one of our gatherings here some day, AND be greeted in turn at one of theirs. Wolfgang

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…….And there’s me pontificating off-topic too.

Well, if ya GOTTA be ironic, ya might as well do it self-consciously!   Wolfgang thanks for stopping in!

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Being one of those who read a number of discussions on ROFF in the past few months – without participating myself – I have a few remarks that might shine some light on this issue. ROFF post is limited to a small number of people, let’s say some fifty "regulars". Plus an additional number of posters who take part only occasionally. Most of them are American, some are British, only quite a few are European or from other parts of the world. To Europeans like myself – who master the English language well enough to comprehend the interesting discussions on fly-fishing topics – the discussions on other subjects than FFare not only very irrelevant and annoying but more often than not impossible to understand because they require a thorough and detailed insight in the American way of life, which we have not. Though there are a number of contributors who have interesting and valuable information both for newbies and skilled fly-fishermen it’s a pity that this forum is so often abused. (I must admit, however, that, from a more or less scientific point of view, it is interesting to observe how easily Americans cross swords and how they fight their verbal wars!) But why not deal with personal conflicts by e-mail so that Roffians who are not interested are not forced to read (and tempted to join in)! Well, my overall impression is definitely a positive one. If certain subscribers would participate in a more disciplined manner and focus on what should bring us together – flyfishing being our core business for that matter – ROFF may offer an even more suitable forum in the exchange of FFknow-how, the discussion on FF issues and the establishing of contacts between individual Roffians. I’m stepping in – still eager to learn – addicted to flyfishing (among other things) as long as I’m going strong! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any estimates. I personally know of only 3 South Africans. Just wondering’s’all. More or less impossible to tell.  The numbers also fluctuate considerably. I once heard an estimate that for every poster there may be up to ten lurkers. I have no idea if this is true. On some bulletin boards they have software to check how many people have visited etc, and on at least two I visit, the above estimate proved to be too low. Sometimes five or six people had posted, and over a hundred had read the messages without responding. It would probably be extremely difficult to do anything like this on ROFF, as newsgroups are propagated by various servers all over the globe. Finding out how many people visit the group on these servers, and collating such information, would be more or less impossible I fear. And it would subject to at least some inaccurate reporting, as well. I don’t know how many folks have multiple server access, but at least some do (I have several), and so, although I only use the one, my client checks them all and therefore, it would "ring up" several "lurkers" as having checked ROFF when, in fact, it was a regular poster’s client simply doing its job. TC, R TL MC

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Any estimates. I personally know of only 3 South Africans. Just wondering’s’all. Ari Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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Any estimates. I personally know of only 3 South Africans. Just wondering’s’all.

There are 5.  Most of us are really Wolfgang’s sock puppets.

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There are 5.  Most of us are really Wolfgang’s sock puppets.

And its damned uncomfortable, too. Kevin Or am I?

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Any estimates. I personally know of only 3 South Africans. Just wondering’s’all. There are 5.  Most of us are really Wolfgang’s sock puppets.

Now it’s all clear! How can he keep all those balls in the air? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Any estimates. I personally know of only 3 South Africans. Just wondering’s’all.

More or less impossible to tell.  The numbers also fluctuate considerably. I once heard an estimate that for every poster there may be up to ten lurkers. I have no idea if this is true. On some bulletin boards they have software to check how many people have visited etc, and on at least two I visit, the above estimate proved to be too low. Sometimes five or six people had posted, and over a hundred had read the messages without responding. It would probably be extremely difficult to do anything like this on ROFF, as newsgroups are propagated by various servers all over the globe. Finding out how many people visit the group on these servers, and collating such information, would be more or less impossible I fear. There are obviously a large number of lurkers and visitors though. I have received large amounts of e-mail from people who never post here, asking for advice etc, and mentioning something they saw on ROFF. Many do not want to post to a newsgroup, for whatever reason, but they seem happy enough to read them. TL MC

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There are 5.  Most of us are really Wolfgang’s sock puppets.

And its damned uncomfortable, too.<   Not to mention the smell.   Harry he only uses "dirty sock" puppets.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any estimates. I personally know of only 3 South Africans. Just wondering’s’all. More or less impossible to tell.  The numbers also fluctuate considerably. I once heard an estimate that for every poster there may be up to ten lurkers. I have no idea if this is true. On some bulletin boards they have software to check how many people have visited etc, and on at least two I visit, the above estimate proved to be too low. Sometimes five or six people had posted, and over a hundred had read the messages without responding. It would probably be extremely difficult to do anything like this on ROFF, as newsgroups are propagated by various servers all over the globe. Finding out how many people visit the group on these servers, and collating such information, would be more or less impossible I fear.

And it would subject to at least some inaccurate reporting, as well. I don’t know how many folks have multiple server access, but at least some do (I have several), and so, although I only use the one, my client checks them all and therefore, it would "ring up" several "lurkers" as having checked ROFF when, in fact, it was a regular poster’s client simply doing its job. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TL MC

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Being one of those who read a number of discussions on ROFF in the past few months – without participating myself – I have a few remarks that might shine some light on this issue. The majority of ROFF post is limited to relatively few people, let’s say some fifty "regulats". Plus an additional number of posters who take part only occasionally. Most Roffians are American, some are Canadian or British, only quite a few are European or from other parts of the world. To Europeans like myself  - who master the English language well enough to comprehend the interesting discussions on FF – the discussions on other subjects than FF are irrelevant, often annoying and sometimes impossible to understand because they require a thorough and detailed insight in the American way of life, which most of us have not.Though there are contributors who have interesting and valuable information both for newbies and skilled fly fishermen it’s too bad that ROFF is so often abused with crap.(I must admit, however, that it can be amazing to observe how easily Americans cross swords and how they fight their verbal wars!) But why not deal with personal conflicts by e-mail so that Roffians who hate this stuff are not forced to read (and tempted to join in). Well, my overall impression of ROFF is definitively a positive one – though I am well aware of the fact that many fly fishermen prefer to keep out of the heat, pick up the information they can use and leave it to that. If certain sunscribers would participate in a more diciplined manner and focus on what should bring us together – FF being our core business for that matter – ROFF may offer an even more suitable forum in the exchange of FF know how, discussion on FF issues and establishing contacts between individual Roffians. I’m stepping in – still eager to learn – addicted to FF (among other things) as long as I’m going strong!

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I posted in too much haste, I was just too excited about his possibilities. I am afraid I was too insulting.  I did not mean to imply that he wasn’t already famous. I will use it no matter what he calls it although I would have to think about it if it was "Missed-Bass Knot".  I have too many reminders of that now. AL

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1 Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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It’s all good AL. I can take it…been there, done that. — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted in too much haste, I was just too excited about his possibilities. I am afraid I was too insulting.  I did not mean to imply that he wasn’t already famous. I will use it no matter what he calls it although I would have to think about it if it was "Missed-Bass Knot".  I have too many reminders of that now. AL Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1 Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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You’ve got a point there ol’ W1 but maybe I should take this opportunity to explain my screen name. I’m always taking the brunt of fishing jokes/tales, yet those that mock me ask advice. Hence "Missed-A-Bass" (say it fast 3 times.. sounds like Mr. Bass don’t ya think?) I think that’s called an Al-go-rhythm.    LMAO! — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1 Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz

[PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY]

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Yeah, Al, but who’s going to want to tie a lure on with a knot called "Missed-a-Bass knot?"  :-))  Shawn, you gotta use your real name on this if you want to become famous. Warren1

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s your chance to become famous!  Heck, just reading your note I can see some possiblities. AL "Missed-a-Bass" wrote I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz [PUTZIE] and couldn’t remember what snip So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! Shawn [SHAWNNY] snip

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If you want to do more "research’ [Bob, you will find your description given there by one of the posters] on this go to:  http://www.sport-fish-info.com/wwwboard/messages/9012.html One thing you will find they are as confused as we can become on this board. I suspect it is as CA Bill states it is currently called San Diego Knot when it is doubled but it is still in my opinion a variance of a Pitzen Knot which no one on that board seems to have a hint of either.  I am sorry I can’t find my notes on the history of this knot but Pitzen was a long ago German fisher that the credit I saw was given to him for devising this knot. The variations of this knot are used by Tuna fishers on the West Coast, for one, and they are well convinced that this is basically a good, reliable, and strong knot, no matter the variance in tying it. If I ever find my ‘brain’ for the history of  the Pitzen Knot I will post, but don’t hold your breath. I also use a  loop knot as a companion to the Pitzen Knot because I remove or do not use split rings for attaching line to lure.  I use the Buffer Loop Knot for quick and easy tie of a Loop or for confidence I use the Rapala Loop, however,  I have made mistakes tying the Rapala Loop and the lure came loose.  Hence, the trade off in getting too complicated in knot tying techniques. AL

Al, after thinking about it a few minutes and looking at the link Shawn provided [a link to Pitzen Knot, AL] I realized you are right.  Might dub

it the double Pitzen knot, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – until Tony claims the right to name it himself. snip

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Al, after thinking about it a few minutes and looking at the link Shawn provided, I realized you are right.  Might dub it the double Pitzen knot, until Tony claims the right to name it himself. Have never had one break off, unless I forgot to retie between trips and the line had deteriorated.  Because of the doubled line and its cinching power, it slips less than any other knot I have used on spinnerbaits. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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the Pitzen Knot I will post, but don’t hold your breath.

OK, Overcame my tunnel vision,  Jamie probably saw this!  It is at the bottom of the sites description that he posted. "The Pitzen knot, Invented by Edgar Pitzenbauer of Germany is easy to tie with a little practice, and results in a knot the [sic] retains 95-100% of the tippet’s rated strength as opposed to 65% for a Clinch knot.  The Pitzen knot is also smaller by about 40%" AL

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Ya know it’s a funny thing….while driving today I was thinking of the Pitzen knot. Back 2-3 years ago when I was learning to tie fishing knots I came up with my own version of the Pitzen, just ’cause I’m a putz and couldn’t remember what the heck I was doing. The only difference is I would run the tag through the hook eye one more time, just before threading it through the original loop, then snug it up. Once I learned the Palomar I forgot everything else. So what is my modified Pitzen called? It holds up wonderfully…I couldn’t have thought this up myself…where’s Rodney when you need him! — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Al, after thinking about it a few minutes and looking at the link Shawn provided, I realized you are right.  Might dub it the double Pitzen knot, until Tony claims the right to name it himself. Have never had one break off, unless I forgot to retie between trips and the line had deteriorated.  Because of the doubled line and its cinching power, it slips less than any other knot I have used on spinnerbaits. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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The San Diego knot is similar, but you run the line through the loop by the eye first, before the one at the top. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And for those of you who would like to see the Pitzen knot, try this… www.agron.missouri.edu/flyfishing/pitzen.html — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL

.snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop

knots.

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And for those of you who would like to see the Pitzen knot, try this… www.agron.missouri.edu/flyfishing/pitzen.html — Early to Bed, Early to Rise… Fish all Day, Make up Lies. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob, I understood your description.  I like the feature that the doubled eye line is incorporated into the knot and the standing line.  Might be easier to understand for those familiar with tying the Pitzen Knot which is what I use. Jamie,   The Pitzen Knot strength is allegedly close to a 100% line strength. AL .snip I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.

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I was just reading the knot thread from mid-March, and I’ve got some more questions. I wanted to know if there’s a resource that has some real statistics on breaking strength of different knots (and also considerations as to their appropriateness with different # test monos). Also, I conducted a little experiment with knot comparisons: I had two key-ring sized split-rings, and I tied two different knots on each side (8# test). I yanked them apart until something gave. I only compared the Trilene, Palomar, Improved Clinch, and Rapala (loop). My informal (and unrecorded) findings of order of strength, highest to lowest. *Trilene *Palomar (usually was beaten by the Trilene) *Improved Clinch (pretty low breaking strength) *Rapala (very low breaking strengh, ughh.. it’s what I’ve been using on jerkbaits, topwaters, etc.) I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.  ALSO, I regularly hit the search engines, and ask the group, about once every two months: Does anyone have a picture of how to tie the Jimmy Houston Knot (supposed to be very close to 100% knot strength)? (Hint: the picture in "Caught Me a Big ‘Un…" is incomplete, so please don’t tell me to look there, unless you can tell me the missing step). Thanks a bunch, Jamie

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Jamie, the short answer is all line manufacturers have a machine to test their lines with different knots.  From this, you would assume that they recommend knots that work best with their line. Just haven’t seen a line manufacturer mention Tony Bean’s knot, which is the strongest knot I have used. Help me here, TNBass, after you get back from the TN Classic.  Tony is a Tennessee small-mouth guide and is reputed to have won many tournaments.  Do you know how to contact him?  I have tried to explain his knot, but it apparently is not clear, and I have the graphic skills of a snail. —    Go Fishing.  And may your fish be as big as your tales.    Columbia, SC  Lake Murray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just reading the knot thread from mid-March, and I’ve got some more questions. I wanted to know if there’s a resource that has some real statistics on breaking strength of different knots (and also considerations as to their appropriateness with different # test monos). Also, I conducted a little experiment with knot comparisons: I had two key-ring sized split-rings, and I tied two different knots on each side (8# test). I yanked them apart until something gave. I only compared the Trilene, Palomar, Improved Clinch, and Rapala (loop). My informal (and unrecorded) findings of order of strength, highest to lowest. *Trilene *Palomar (usually was beaten by the Trilene) *Improved Clinch (pretty low breaking strength) *Rapala (very low breaking strengh, ughh.. it’s what I’ve been using on jerkbaits, topwaters, etc.) I think I’ll try out the Pitzen next, and check out the Uni for loop knots.  ALSO, I regularly hit the search engines, and ask the group, about once every two months: Does anyone have a picture of how to tie the Jimmy Houston Knot (supposed to be very close to 100% knot strength)? (Hint: the picture in "Caught Me a Big ‘Un…" is incomplete, so please don’t tell me to look there, unless you can tell me the missing step). Thanks a bunch, Jamie

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs.

<SNIP I don’t know if you’ve made your decision yet but I have a number of demo Swift Dumoines and Yukons, royalex and royalite which would really fit your requirements for under $1000. — Steve Freund QCC Kayaks http://www.qualitycomposites.com

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units? Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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For a stable lake river canoe with big capacity I don’t see how you can beat http://www.otccanoe.com/camper.html  It isn’t 17′, but it has a big beauiful wide flat bottom that gives it LOTS of initial stability and IMHO would make it the absolute tops in a kids dogs camping scenario. I photograph birds out of mine with long lenses and that means getting my head and shoulders way off centerline and it lays in the water relaxed and stable as can be. Took it down about 55 miles of the Colorado from Moab to the Confluence this summer with Luigi Puzziferro. We were traveling gourmet style and started off with over 14 gallons of water (I never did like pumping water out of big rivers that flow near cities) and LOTS of heavy camera stuff, and that left plenty of freeboard and it cruised along nicely. Luigi made me so mad I could spit because he didn’t paddle half the time, but that wasn’t the boat’s fault. Paddles great solo, too. I just wouldn’t have a Discovery if there was any way I could get a Royalex canoe, especially if I was ever going to be carrying it around myself. Bought mine as a demonstrator from REI. Don’t remember how much, sorry, but it was cheap and in perfect shape. There are deals out there. Nace

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Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. I would not leave Wenonah out of the picture here. They make a Fisherman model that is beamier than most canoes but it is a 14′ boat. You can purchase motor mount kits that will fit  most boats as long as there is enough gunnel to grab. We sell two different types ranging in price from 49.95 to 56.00. The 56.00 is universal and ready to mount. The 49.95 unit must be cut to fit your boat. Good luck in your boat selection. Hope weather is great out there. Happy Paddling www.riversport.com/paintisland/ Ron

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Michael: I’ve used the 17′ old town discovery sport square stern to fly fish out of. Stability is very good.  The two sets of oar locks are nice, they allow you to  row from the middle if you have two friends fishing at once or row from the bow if you have only one person fishing….it is tough, quiet, warm,,,as opposed to aluminum but it is very heavy…all in all it is a very good boat for non serious ww…ka – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units? Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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Michael Rosenberger wrote I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: OldTown Discovery 17.4…our first boat….shortest trip 18 days/longest

trip 34 days. Our initial skill level : ZERO. Have paddled it on big Rivers like the Peace in Alberta at record flood, big lakes like Reindeer Lake in northern Saskatchewan, and remote prarie rivers like the North Dakota’s Little Missouri….there are prettier boat, there are certainly more expensive boats, and I doubt ANYONE will swipe this boat… look up OldTown Canoe homepage…weight is 82#, material is …plastic with interior foam cells LOL… carries 700 lbs easily with 3 inches of freeboard, and is still very stable. Cost new: $750 new… if you ever find a USED one…its because its previous owner died and surviving spouse is moving to the Sahara, or one a lottery and is buying a custom built (plastic boat) with a fancy name. It is used by outfitters in NWT as a rental, just like the old Grummans…it is maintenance free,and a safe and forgiving craft. This is my humble opinion…but you DID ask…

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Yep, the Old Town Discovery series of boats is a good way to go for sure. If you can find someone who sell a lot of them, ask if they have any "blems" at reduced cost.  I worked for a couple of years at Rutabaga in Madison, WI (they ship anywhere, call 1-800- I PADDLE). Or call Od Town and ask for anyone in your area that sells their blems. The "blems" typically are just spots with a bit of discoloration which does not affect the integrity of the boat what so ever. Check out Rutabagas website also.  I’ve got it listed below. To reply by email, remove "mapson"from my edress.

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe…

<SNIP THANKS to all who replied either in group or via email. I must say, this was a breathe of fresh air compared to some of my other experiences in other groups. Normally you ask for an opinion, you get one and then the rest of the thread is everyone else telling the first poster why he is wrong. It says allot about the "paddlin’ people". I must say I am quite excited to be getting this canoe. I did some paddlin’ in camps when I was younger and to this day cannot remember having more fun. Cannot wait to take the family, or hell…get out by myself for a day run. I will chime in again and let you know what canoe ends up on my truck top. Thanks again. Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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I just bought a Revelation for $1200.  It retailed for about $1400. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units? Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units?

If you are looking at a Discovery, consider the Appalachian. It is a 16′ boat, butfor river running and wilderness tripping royalex is a superior hull materal. These boats are reasonably cheap, under $1000. The Appalachian is very similar to the Mad River Explorer (also a great boat), but the Old Town is significantly cheaper. -Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         if* we’re* goin up the headwaters of wilson, *we* had better bring a couple native bearers and  a wagon.         it was all i could do to make the hike out from upper wilson when i was 35 and racin dirt bikes.  now that i’m 56 and a bad drunk, the brookies can relax.         wayno Wayne, how do you get a wagon into the headwaters of the Wilson?  Every trail I have ever used for the mainstem and tribs was a best suited for Sherpas, mountain goats and/or llamas to pack in the equipment — and still no easy task. Last time I fished the upper Wilson headwaters (late 1997) I started off near Edgemont Road/FR 192 and went down…the first time I have done that…and probaby the last — after a day of hard fishing I barely had enough energy left to climb back out.  Most of the time I go on down to Brown Mtn Beach and come up through the gorge to Edgemont/Mortimer and then take my pick of Lost Cove, Harpers/North Harpers, Rockhouse, or the main Wilson…at least it is fish upstream while I am fresh and then walk downhill/downstream back at the end of the day.

Wayno & Michael, I’m good for any stretch you guys feel like. Upper, middle, or lower stretches suit me just fine. I do agree with you Wayne…upper-upper is tough and challenging not to mention just plain dangerous in felt shoes. I did it from edgemont up to 221 about a month ago…talk about mountain climbing. It was a rewarding trip….brookies ;^) Just give me a call/e-mail if you guys want to get together and fish sometime… preferably during/after leaf season…. –Walt

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I        come on, now, walter; surely you are numbered among the wealthy in watauga county!  hell, man, i have it on reliable information that you flush your own kaka!

Just recently so Wayne…. Back in December when the floods came through I managed to snag a renegade sparklin’ white 2.5 gallon American Standard on my 4 wt. It probably washed out of some floridiot’s, hmm, floron’s, hmm, Floridians vacation home. It did give me a bit of a tussle, what with the flood waters and all. But hell, I had #3 tippet on and managed to drag that thing on shore with a bit of wranglin. It was the first time my wife ever smiled when I brought my catch home, she didn’t mind cleanin’ that fish at all. Next day I installed it in the privvy and now have the extreme satisfaction of flushin my kaka directly downstream into Tennessee Ain’t ‘Merica wunnerful’ ?        later  ( when the temps drop below 90 in the piedmont, i think i’ll come up to wilson creek.

give me a holler…one of my favorite streams…. –Flushin’ Wataugan Walt

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For anyone interested, the Watauga (my homewater) is having its regulations changed. The former delayed harvest section along 105 between Taylor’s store bridge and Hound’s Ear is becoming a private fishery for the wealthy along with the Boones Fork up to the parkway land. The new Delayed Harvest portion will be from Hound’s Ear down through the gorge and into Valle Crucis somewhere. See ya, Walt

Please, oh, please say it ain’t so Joe (oops, Walt)…. I just got my updated fishin’ regs from the NC WRC in the mail yesterday — they are kind of draggin for us lifetime license holders since they already have all the money they are going to get out of us customer service isn’t high on the list — and the Watauga and Boones Fork sections were still listed, respectively, Delayed Harvest and C&R, FF-only. What’s the deal on closing these fine fisheries — did somebody just get a burr up their butt? Nonetheless, if what you have shared is (has?) come to pass that is a real pisser for fishing in the Boone area and really makes me want to break down and have a good tear-fest. My uncle has a vacation home just above Taylor’s Store in Foscoe that our family uses quite frequently and my dad and I have enjoyed fishing these two sections of stream for years.  I guess we’ll just head down to Wilson’s Creek with you and Wayno — and all the other disgruntled poor folks …. These local jewels will be truly missed.             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard The Yellar Hammer

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I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please, oh, please say it ain’t so Joe (oops, Walt)…. I just got my updated fishin’ regs from the NC WRC in the mail yesterday — they are kind of draggin for us lifetime license holders since they already have all the money they are going to get out of us customer service isn’t high on the list — and the Watauga and Boones Fork sections were still listed, respectively, Delayed Harvest and C&R, FF-only. What’s the deal on closing these fine fisheries — did somebody just get a burr up their butt? Nonetheless, if what you have shared is (has?) come to pass that is a real pisser for fishing in the Boone area and really makes me want to break down and have a good tear-fest. My uncle has a vacation home just above Taylor’s Store in Foscoe that our family uses quite frequently and my dad and I have enjoyed fishing these two sections of stream for years.  I guess we’ll just head down to Wilson’s Creek with you and Wayno — and all the other disgruntled poor folks …. These local jewels will be truly missed.

Hi Michael, I need to clarify it a little…. The section that is becoming private is from the old green metal rr bridge downstream to the south end of hounds ears. The section above the green bridge up to Taylor’s (including Keller’s sippin’ pool) will change from delayed harvest to wild trout water. so…. from somewhere in valle crucis (i heard broadstone) up to the church at hounds ear will be designated delayed harvest. from the church (actually a little upstream from the church) up to the green bridge will be private posted waters with rangers runnin’ us poach..ooops, po’ folk off. from the green bridge up to the headwaters will be wild trout water with no further stocking. hope that helps put you at ease a little… wilsons with you and wayno sounds like a winner to me….fantastic stream up on the spine of grandfather… –Walt

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I don’t like to be out on a stream flyfishing during deer hunting season either.  There is a river I fish during  hunting season which is on a game preserve.  Deer hunters don’t even camp in the area. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m glad I’m not the only guy that considers the upper Wilson to be a challenge: I love that part of God’s earth, but MAN is it tough travelin’ On a serious note: does anyone ever feel uneasy about fishing those waters during deer hunting season?  I’d hate to wind up shot and mounted on some guys hunting cabin wall, just because they couldn’t resist the temptation to shoot at things moving in the woods. I’m more uneasy during "deliverance" season –Walt —    oink, oink.    wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m glad I’m not the only guy that considers the upper Wilson to be a challenge: I love that part of God’s earth, but MAN is it tough travelin’ On a serious note: does anyone ever feel uneasy about fishing those waters during deer hunting season?  I’d hate to wind up shot and mounted on some guys hunting cabin wall, just because they couldn’t resist the temptation to shoot at things moving in the woods. I’m more uneasy during "deliverance" season –Walt —

        oink, oink.         wayno

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I’m glad I’m not the only guy that considers the upper Wilson to be a challenge: I love that part of God’s earth, but MAN is it tough travelin’ in and out!  I have some good fly-fishing friends that I don’t invite to go there with me because they’re over weight and out of shape:  I can just imagine them hiking in with me, having a coronary 4 miles up stream, dying in the middle of a little pool filled with trout, and that’d screw up the remainder of a good day by having to somehow haul their dead butts out to the road.  

I know what you mean…it’s tough enough hauling my own ass outta’ there. On a serious note: does anyone ever feel uneasy about fishing those waters during deer hunting season?  I’d hate to wind up shot and mounted on some guys hunting cabin wall, just because they couldn’t resist the temptation to shoot at things moving in the woods.

I’m more uneasy during "deliverance" season –Walt —

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Hi Walt, I’m a little confused….I  seen the posted signs at the golf course, but, are you saying that up stream of it is going to be posted to ?

yes…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – from the church (actually a little upstream from the church) up to the green bridge will be private posted waters with rangers runnin’ us poach..ooops, po’ folk off.

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I’m glad I’m not the only guy that considers the upper Wilson to be a challenge: I love that part of God’s earth, but MAN is it tough travelin’ in and out!  I have some good fly-fishing friends that I don’t invite to go there with me because they’re over weight and out of shape:  I can just imagine them hiking in with me, having a coronary 4 miles up stream, dying in the middle of a little pool filled with trout, and that’d screw up the remainder of a good day by having to somehow haul their dead butts out to the road.   On a serious note: does anyone ever feel uneasy about fishing those waters during deer hunting season?  I’d hate to wind up shot and mounted on some guys hunting cabin wall, just because they couldn’t resist the temptation to shoot at things moving in the woods.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Michael, I need to clarify it a little…. The section that is becoming private is from the old green metal rr bridge downstream to the south end of hounds ears. The section above the green bridge up to Taylor’s (including Keller’s sippin’ pool) will change from delayed harvest to wild trout water. so…. from somewhere in valle crucis (i heard broadstone) up to the church at hounds ear will be designated delayed harvest. from the church (actually a little upstream from the church) up to the green bridge will be private posted waters with rangers runnin’ us poach..ooops, po’ folk off. from the green bridge up to the headwaters will be wild trout water with no further stocking. hope that helps put you at ease a little… wilsons with you and wayno sounds like a winner to me….fantastic stream up on the spine of grandfather… –Walt

Walt, thanks for the clarification….not the best of news, but not quite as bad as I orginally thought.  Given the wild trout status on the upper,upper section and the amount of fishing pressure it is likely to receive combined with a lack of ‘migration’ up from the now closed section — it may not be able to sustain a large fishable population. It will probably decline until it gets so poor that the fishing pressure drops and a happy (unhappy?) equilibrium is reached at a low population of both trout and trout fishermen. Still not greatly excited over the delayed harvest section along Shulls Mill down into Valle Crucis from a habitat standpoint — but better this than wild trout — I don’t think this section would sustain a wild popolation from season-to-season from both a seasonal temperature and reproduction standpoint.  Not to mention the contributions from the ‘poop’ treatment plants.             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard The Yellar Hammer

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For anyone interested, the Watauga (my homewater) is having its regulations changed. The former delayed harvest section along 105 between Taylor’s store bridge and Hound’s Ear is becoming a private fishery for the wealthy along with the Boones Fork up to the parkway land.

Oh! No!, Damn, Damn, and Damn!  How’d that happen without consulting the rest of us who fish that water!?  Reckon they’ll turn the "native" part above SR#1580 into catch and release or what?  I have caught many fish from the now "exclusive" waters but not a thing which had eyes on it below the 105 Bridge toward Valle Crucis.  Next thing they’ll do is to ban spitting Red Man in the water to chum the browns, while allowing the elite to continue to drop ashes from their Macanudos to draw rainbows . Mac McCaskill

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Howdy All…. Creeks, streams, and rivers are still running warm and low, but not as bad as they were a few weeks ago. The streams on the higher mountains are ok temp wise, but are low. Managed to catch a nice brownie on a headwater this past weekend and missed a few others…japanese beetle pattern. For anyone interested, the Watauga (my homewater) is having its regulations changed. The former delayed harvest section along 105 between Taylor’s store bridge and Hound’s Ear is becoming a private fishery for the wealthy along with the Boones Fork up to the parkway land.

        come on, now, walter; surely you are numbered among the wealthy in watauga county!  hell, man, i have it on reliable information that you flush your own kaka!         later  ( when the temps drop below 90 in the piedmont, i think i’ll come up to wilson creek.         a. wayne harrison

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        if* we’re* goin up the headwaters of wilson, *we* had better bring a couple native bearers and  a wagon.         it was all i could do to make the hike out from upper wilson when i was 35 and racin dirt bikes.  now that i’m 56 and a bad drunk, the brookies can relax.         wayno

Wayne, how do you get a wagon into the headwaters of the Wilson?  Every trail I have ever used for the mainstem and tribs was a best suited for Sherpas, mountain goats and/or llamas to pack in the equipment — and still no easy task. Last time I fished the upper Wilson headwaters (late 1997) I started off near Edgemont Road/FR 192 and went down…the first time I have done that…and probaby the last — after a day of hard fishing I barely had enough energy left to climb back out.  Most of the time I go on down to Brown Mtn Beach and come up through the gorge to Edgemont/Mortimer and then take my pick of Lost Cove, Harpers/North Harpers, Rockhouse, or the main Wilson…at least it is fish upstream while I am fresh and then walk downhill/downstream back at the end of the day.             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard The Yellar Hammer

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 (big spip) wilsons with you and wayno sounds like a winner to me….fantastic stream up on the spine of grandfather… –Walt

        if* we’re* goin up the headwaters of wilson, *we* had better bring a couple native bearers and  a wagon.         it was all i could do to make the hike out from upper wilson when i was 35 and racin dirt bikes.  now that i’m 56 and a bad drunk, the brookies can relax.         wayno

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Hi Walt, I’m a little confused….I  seen the posted signs at the golf course, but, are – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Michael, I need to clarify it a little…. The section that is becoming private is from the old green metal rr bridge downstream to the south end of hounds ears. The section above the green bridge up to Taylor’s (including Keller’s sippin’ pool) will change from delayed harvest to wild trout water. so…. from somewhere in valle crucis (i heard broadstone) up to the church at hounds ear will be designated delayed harvest. from the church (actually a little upstream from the church) up to the green bridge will be private posted waters with rangers runnin’ us poach..ooops, po’ folk off. from the green bridge up to the headwaters will be wild trout water with no further stocking. hope that helps put you at ease a little… wilsons with you and wayno sounds like a winner to me….fantastic stream up on the spine of grandfather… –Walt

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Howdy All…. Creeks, streams, and rivers are still running warm and low, but not as bad as they were a few weeks ago. The streams on the higher mountains are ok temp wise, but are low. Managed to catch a nice brownie on a headwater this past weekend and missed a few others…japanese beetle pattern. For anyone interested, the Watauga (my homewater) is having its regulations changed. The former delayed harvest section along 105 between Taylor’s store bridge and Hound’s Ear is becoming a private fishery for the wealthy along with the Boones Fork up to the parkway land. The new Delayed Harvest portion will be from Hound’s Ear down through the gorge and into Valle Crucis somewhere. See ya, Walt

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        Has anyone used a PM-10+ made by orvis I’m thinking about buying one and would like advise if you have used this rod                                         Thanks                                                 Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         Has anyone used a PM-10+ made by orvis I’m thinking about buying one and would like advise if you have used this rod                                         Thanks                                                 Jeff Step up to Trident Series fly rods by Orvis, for that kind of money Don’t look back. Nothing wrong with PM-10, but you will be much happier with the newer series fly rods.

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        Has anyone used a PM-10+ made by orvis I’m thinking about buying one and would like advise if you have used this rod                                         Thanks                                                 Jeff Step up to Trident Series fly rods by Orvis, for that kind of money Don’t look back. Nothing wrong with PM-10, but you will be much happier with the newer series fly rods.

The PM-10+ are Trident series rods and are only available in the Trident series.  They are very fast action rods that will pick up and toss a lot of line with very little effort if you use a forearm casting stroke.  If you use a lot of wrist you probably won’t like this series with the possible exception of the 8 1/2ft. 4wt.  As always, best to cast these rods if possible and see if you like them.  The 9ft. 5wt.,9ft. 6wt., 9ft. and 9 1/2ft. 8 wt.’s, 8 1/2ft. and 9 ft. 9 wt.’s are very aggressive tapers best suited to throwing long lines and/or casting in windy conditions, although you can easily tip cast with very little line out the tip-top.  The 8 1/2ft. 4 wt. is not quite as steep a taper as the rest and very smoothly moves deeper into the mid-section than the rest of the series.  The 4 wt. is a great all around trout-stream rod.  The 5 wt. is a better choice if you want to also fish lakes.   The 6 wt will throw a heavily weighted stonefly nymph right into the teeth of the wind.  They are not for everybody, but I would add the 5 wt. to my arsenal if I thought I could get it past my wife (I have four other 5 wt. rods).   Hmmmmm …. I only have one other 6wt. maybe I should go for that                                Good Fishing,                                        Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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NEXT TIME TRY A DIFFERENT COLOR IF THAT DON`T WORK TRY A DIFFERENT BAIT , LIKE A ZOOM FLUKE OR A SPOOK .

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Try different sizes and colors. On sunny days use bright colors and on cloudy days use dark colors. When you first cast it out, let it sit for a good while before you twitch it. Then only twitch once or twice and let it sit for a while again. Try working it back like that. Notice for other hatches as well. Your best bet might be a dragon fly imitation instead.   Any advice on what I might have been doing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wrong or any tips on how to better induce a strike?

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Make sure you reel in slack and set the hook hard when you get a strike.  Also, you need to tune your eyes on the popper and popper only, otherwise you might miss a quiet strike.  Good fishin. Mike

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I was fishing this weekend at Greers Ferry, Ark.  I tried many different lures.  I finally began using a popper.  I saw several fish come up to the top to check it out and follow it for a few feet and then disappear.  I worked it slowly for a foot or two and then would let it rest, waiting for a strike, then I would "pop" it a bit to stir up the water and so on.  I have never used one before, but it seemed to get their attention.  Any advice on what I might have been doing wrong or any tips on how to better induce a strike? Thanks.

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I was fishing this weekend at Greers Ferry, Ark.  I tried many different lures.  I finally began using a popper.  I saw several fish come up to the top to check it out and follow it for a few feet and then disappear.  I worked it slowly for a foot or two and then would let it rest, waiting for a strike, then I would "pop" it a bit to stir up the water and so on.  I have never used one before, but it seemed to get their attention.  Any advice on what I might have been doing wrong or any tips on how to better induce a strike? Thanks.

Hello, I like poppers in the am and the pm for bass. Spring and fall is top water time. I don’t move them much. I just twitch them a little. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

Hi Guy, I don’t know if there is a best fly or not rather they may very well be favorite fly. For me my favorite steelhead fly is the green butt skunk. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

 The Popsicle’s  are  great fly patterns . This may sound weird but I like to throw a Purple Muddler (wt). I have not fished B.C. , but I would not be surprised if most patterns that work here in Cal./Oregan/Washington would produce in BC . I’m affraid that FF’ing for SH in my neck of the woods is kaput. We are  in a major flood stage and will be blown out for weeks, months. Oh well… back to the bench….   Harry

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The best fly is the one that the fish are taking at that particular day, time, and body of water.  Fishing conditions can change instantly during winter fishing season on the West Coast.  You will need a variety of patterns from bright and flashy to dark and subdued.  Steelhead fishing is a challenging prospect.   Good Luck Jeff

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

Trey Combs, in his book "Steelhead Fishing and Flies" gives3 lists of flies for BC streams. Karl Mausser’s list (for the Kispiox, Babine, Bulkley and Morice Rivers, all Skeena tributaries) is:         1. Kispiox Special         2. Sack Fly (a Burlap with an orange hackle tail)         3. Black Beauty         4. Skykomish Sunrise         5. McLeod Ugly Bucktail         6. Royal Coachman A Morice and Bulkley guide lists these as favorites:         1. Van Luven         2. Wooly Worm         3. Burlap         4. Stillaguamish Sunrise         5. Orange Optic         7. Skykomish Sunrise A Northwest fly seller gives this list as their top ten over a 37 year period:         1. Skunk         2. Royal Coachman Bucktail         3. Umpqua Special         4. Kalama Special         5. Skykomish Sunrise         6. Fall Favorite         7. Golden Demon         8. Spruce         9. Thor         10. Silver Hilton A couple of other good performing flies are Purple Peril and Green Butted Skunk. Tight Lines, -Burton

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The best fly of course is the one that is in the river on the end of your line. For a start, check out either of Trey Combs books ( eg. Steelhead Flyfishing and Flys) from your local library. My favorite fly is a Brad’s Brat (bright fly) or a Purple Peril (dark). Bart Phillips

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I am a member of the( Golden Spread Flyfishers) Amarillo, Texas I am looking for some good examples of information and articles to enclude in our news letter. If you have a copy of a current news letter from your Fly Fishing Club, Please E-Mail a copy or the file. TO:

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Hi Ken, You can also contact the Federation of Fly Fishers at 1-800-618-0808.   They have PC disc available for FFF club newletters.  Call and see what they have. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (request a catalog)

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I am a member of the( Golden Spread Flyfishers) Amarillo, Texas I am looking for some good examples of information and articles to enclude in our news letter.

If you want to produce a newsletter that is popular and always gets read, concentrate on information about the local/regional fishing. The most popular feature in our newsletter is the "Fishing Journal" where members report where they went locally (though they are often understandably vague about exact locations), what they used, what the conditions were, and what they caught (or didn’t catch).  Of course, to do a regular feature like this, it helps to have some members who actually FISH on a regular basis. You’ll probably find that 10% of the club members do 90% of the fishing. Other popular stories people want in their club newsletter: Fly recipes and tying instructions for patterns which are proven producers on local waters.(and how/where to fish them). Any information about local fisheries you can get from your state fish and game managers. Get to know these people and call regularly. First hand accounts by members on "week end" fishing trips to places within a 3-8 hour  drive. Lodging, food, fishing quality, access etc. New items or greatly reduced sale items at the local fly shops. Overlooked local waters for lunch time/evening "quick outings". Local Tackle buy/sell/trade classifieds. In short, go with your strength: local information.  You can’t compete with the slick national mags for general "how to" fishing info, so give your members what they can’t get anywhere else: good, solid information on how to enjoy their sport close to home. Doing a really good job on a newsletter takes a lot of effort, but you will actually enjoy your own fly fishing more using what you learn doing it.

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I work in television. Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities! That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in cash for start up costs.

Phrank,                 The check’s in the mail. Is that a real est. of the start up cost?  It sounds like a great idea!  How ’bout getting the money from all those advertisers in Zymurgy and the various free brew news papers?  I can see it now: This Old Wort or The Cajun Brewmeister or Brew Improvement or Home Brewer Club…    

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: I work in television. : : Saw a list of upcoming TV channels for cable. : o     Food channel : o     Military channel : o     more sports channels : o     Religion channel : etc : : Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities! : : o     Cooking wort, live on TV with call-ins from homebrewers :       across the country : o     Bottling live on TV : o     Call 1-800-HOMBREW [used as example only, not intended to be a real :       number] to order a variety of products :       and services : o     Live remote broadcasts from the homes of homebrewers :       nationwide as they cook or bottle their own finely :       home crafted brews : o     "The Dr. Yeast Show" : : That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in cash : for start up costs. : : Thanks, : Phrank : : Hell, someone could probably do something like this on a cable access channel.  We have them in California.  I think Papai and Gow should be the hosts.  I’ll be the "man-in-the-field" who does all the tasting!   —                            Mike (My Brain is Flaming) McCall

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(Mike McCall) writes: : I work in television. : Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities!  … : : o"The Dr. Yeast Show" : : That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in    cash : for start up costs. : Hell, someone could probably do something like this on a cable access channel.  We have them in California.  I think Papai and Gow should be the hosts.  I’ll be the "man-in-the-field" who does all the tasting!   —

I am not foto-genic enough to host such a fine show.  I will volunteer to be field reporter & interviewer as long as expenses are paid. I will need a large supply of vitamin B’s to help fight the devestating day-after effects of the alcohol too.  I think Kathy Ireland or Marina Sirtis would make a good host.  Meanwhile, back to homebrewing… — Ken Papai, Sunnyvale, Calif.   |  This space for rent until I find quote

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I work in television. : Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities!  … : : o"The Dr. Yeast Show" : : That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in    cash : for start up costs. : Hell, someone could probably do something like this on a cable access channel.  We have them in California.  I think Papai and Gow should be the hosts.  I’ll be the "man-in-the-field" who does all the tasting!   — I am not foto-genic enough to host such a fine show.  I will volunteer to be field reporter & interviewer as long as expenses are paid. I will need a large supply of vitamin B’s to help fight the devestating day-after effects of the alcohol too.  I think Kathy Ireland or Marina Sirtis would make a good host.  Meanwhile, back to homebrewing… — Ken Papai, Sunnyvale, Calif.   |  This space for rent until I find quote

Forget Kathy Ireland … I want Michael Douglas to host it.  Or how about Christopher Plummer? MMmmmmm!  I’d watch the show.  Great homebrew and great men. Can’t wait to taste my christmas brew! The hardest part for me is waiting long enough to let the brew get a good mellowing. —  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *    NOAA/PMEL/CNSD, 7600 Sand Point Way NE, Building #3, Seattle, WA, 98115   The opinions expressed herein are not neccessarily those of my employer or                         the government in general.    "You can’t be a successful Dictator and design women’s underclothing." -Bertie  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *

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: That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  I think Kathy Ireland or Marina Sirtis would make a good host. Forget Kathy Ireland … I want Michael Douglas to host it.  Or how about Christopher Plummer?  

Now, now, let’s not fight.  When Emma Thompson hosts, we can call the show Babes and Brewing (or even Babes and Bitters); when Denzel Washington hosts, we’ll switch the name to Hunks and Hops (or maybe Studs and Stouts). It’s a free market economy; there’s room for everyone. -Murph                           "It’s worse than that, it’s physics, Jim!                                   (-"Star Trekkin’", The Firm)

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I work in television. Saw a list of upcoming TV channels for cable. o       Food channel o       Military channel o       more sports channels o       Religion channel etc Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities! o       Cooking wort, live on TV with call-ins from homebrewers         across the country o       Bottling live on TV o       Call 1-800-HOMBREW [used as example only, not intended to be a real         number] to order a variety of products         and services o       Live remote broadcasts from the homes of homebrewers         nationwide as they cook or bottle their own finely         home crafted brews o       "The Dr. Yeast Show" That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in cash for start up costs. Thanks, Phrank

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