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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture? You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?  When there’s water flowing, the lower Poudre has been very good.  Lots of midges out with the fish feeding all day. The trout in the canyon although catchable are icecubes already. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?

Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list! — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list!

   Yup, I wasn’t fooled for a second. I wonder if Sue’s a very good fly fisher?

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?

   Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?    Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

ME too!!!! When I reread it after posting, I knew it didn’t sound right. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Willi

  Careful, Willi.  I had the pleasure of spending last Friday evening with Charlie & Pat for a visit and supper (and a fine cigar).  The next day, Charlie took me to one of his secret fishing holes.  I caught giant bluegill, crappie, a largemouth and a couple of different species of trout.  All on streamers.  What a beautiful day.  Must have caught 20 fish (to Charlie’s 40?).  But, my shoulder may never be the same.  Put a "hitch" in it setting the hook so many times.  I tried an ice pack but the only thing that seems to relieve the hurt is some ‘ol Mil. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish

If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish…… Dave

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flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish……

Knowing Ed and Dave, they’ll probably sleep in the truck…if they haven’t gotten it stuck somewhere. Dave B: if you come in from Wilson’s, use the NEW road. There’s a bridge missing on the Old Middledam Road… /daytripper (whose Pathfinder nearly "found" Sturtevant Stream one night)

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Having never been myself I’ll have to let Mud navigate. Lemme see, if we leave early the 10th we should be there for the camp breaking exercises. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish…… Knowing Ed and Dave, they’ll probably sleep in the truck…if they haven’t gotten it stuck somewhere. Dave B: if you come in from Wilson’s, use the NEW road. There’s a bridge missing on the Old Middledam Road… /daytripper (whose Pathfinder nearly "found" Sturtevant Stream one night)

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Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go to Paul Goodwin’s site: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Hope to see you and Mudfish there. Dave Dave LaCourse

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flyfish writes: Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish

Go to Paul Goodwin’s site: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Hope to see you and Mudfish there. Dave Dave LaCourse

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The thread I started a month or so back to announce the web page went off topic and down hill fast. You can find the site at: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Day_tripper supplied most of the photos for the flies. The one pattern I need a good photo of is a strawman. If anyone has one please email it to me. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Hi Corey,  have a look at these URL

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I am going to be in Fargo or Bismark on business in May.   Does anyone know of fly fishing opportunities in North Dakota? JK

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See the Tony Dean web site http://www.tonydean.com.  He has a "brochure" covering information on fly fishing for trout in some of the small reserviors in that state which you could ask for by e-mail or phone. If you don’t have any luck repost here and I will scan in the copy my dad has and e-mail it to you. Mikeh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am going to be in Fargo or Bismark on business in May.   Does anyone know of fly fishing opportunities in North Dakota? JK

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check out www.walleyecentral.com and use the message board and chat room……all kinds of help – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers. 3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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We can get lines down in excess of 60 feet without the use of down riggers. The advantage of down riggers is you will have a short lead and it will take less time to bring in the fish and reset. The disadvantage to down riggers is for fish like Lake erie walleye they tend to shy away unless they are down deep because the boat traffic spooks the fish. The other disadvantage is cost. Presently we are down around 50 feet using ripcord line and 0 dispel on planar boards and you can add weight if you would like to keep leads under 200 feet. You can also try 1 dipseys and they will go to 50 feet on mono and over 70 on rip cord or braided wire. The reason we use planar boards is so we can get lines away from the boat into water where the fish have not been spooked. The other advantage is you can run upto 12 poles off the planar boards without tangling. That is enough for upto 6 people. When the weather gets rough you have to run less but you can run regular dipseys . We typically run 8 planar boards an 6 dipseys when the fish are deep and when the fish are high we run 10 planar boards and 4 dipseys. Essentially planar boards are two boards connected together so when attached to a line at front of boat several feet above the water they will pull to side of boat. this allows you to let lines out back and then attach the lines to a planar clip which is typically an alligator clip with rubber pads or you can use a shower curtain and rubber bands and wrap the rubber band around the line. The secret is to get the proper rubber band. The first couple times by some from Patco but then you can go to office supply store and buy rubber bands much less expensive in bulk. When you attach the line to the clip and to the planar board line as you let additional line out it will slide down the board line when it is just above the water stop it and then set the next line leave a 20 -30 foot space in between and then when the fish hits it will swing to back of the boat. If you use a plug or diving device like a jet dive you have to release the lure by reeling don until the line is taught and slap the handle of the pole the shock will break the rubber band if you are using ripcord or wire line with mono it is more difficult because mono tends to stretch. Then let line swing to back of boat to avoid tangles and reel in. if you are running 0 dipseys off the planar boards you must release the line from the board the same way but then real the slack and release the dipsey with a firm tug and then real right away. there are different techniues for different things you use. I hope this helps. Captain Bryce Seymour Fishing has been good to very good. The fish are moving daily in past few weeks they have moved from 12 miles out into 6 miles out in one day after a storm but then as water settled down they started moving out again. Within a few days they were at 12 miles out. The main school is off of Geneva and slightly east about 20 miles out. The captains out of Fairport have another school out west of Fairport so you can see there is not just one place to fish but most people are going off shore. I main problem has been a lot of sheep head being caught with the walleye which lowers the catches. The Fairport captains are catching between 20-40 fish but would have more if they could not have to reset lines for sheep head so often. Similar numbers out of Geneva. Watermelon is a hot color and the Geneva captains tend to use more worm harnesses while the Fairport tends to use spoons as much as possible. I have also heard of a man who was taking a floating j plug putting it on his down rigger and sending it to the bottom and then release the j-plug and about half the time he would catch a nice walleye while the plug was rising to the surface. The most prominent methods have been using 0 dipseys off ripcord off the boards. Set one side at lets say 140 , 160, 180, 200 and the other at the same but put an ounce of weight in front if you see the weighted side working more than the non weighted side then look at adding an ounce or two of weight. The advantage of this technique over wire line is you can keep the leads under 200 feet so you can catch the fish and reset faster than if your setting a line back 320 feet on wire. Ripcord is a little more forgiving than wire when raping on planar boards but can still be a nuisance if you get a good tangle. Captain Bryce Seymour http://www.chartercaptain.com/hooker/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers. 3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers.   3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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    Planner boards float on the surface of the water and pull your lure and line out to the side of the boat like a kite in the wind. Your lure then trails behind the planer board and swims at the depth that it was designed for and depending on it’s speed in the water, length of line out and size of the line. Instructions as how to rig them up are included with the boards.     There are devices that can be added directly to your line that will dive towards the bottom (pink lady is one). There depth depends on their size, weight, speed, type lure used, length of line used for trolling and size of the line.     If you want to troll deep without a downrigger, you can use lead core line. Use the 17 lb lead core line. The stronger lead core line has the same amount of lead in it but more nylon thread so though it is stronger (about 30 lbs) it will not sink as well. Or use steel line. I found that I could get down to about 70 feet deep with steel line without using heavy weights. Keep a record of all the setups you use when trolling and when you feel that you touch bottom, check the sonar for the depth, check your trolling speed and type of equipement used etc and mark it all down in a note book. The next time you want to fish at that particular depth with that particular lure setup you will know what to do. This is how old time experienced trollers knew where their lure was when fishing. Add the fact that they memorized the bottom structure, after a few years of snagging bottom, catching fish and watching the successful fishermen for tips, helped in their fishing success.     So if you want to fish at 40 feet, rig up a line, troll over a depth of 40 feet and see what you have to do to touch bottom. Note what you did and then use the same technique the next time you see fish suspended at 40 feet.     Becoming a good troller is more difficult and takes longer than becoming a good fly fisherman. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers. 3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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says… Hi, I’m planning a trip to the Banff/Lake Louise area in early Sept. Any info re: hotels, guides, expected conditions and how to escape the tourists would be appreciated. Thanks in advance JT

The Bow around Banff will be clear and low – blue winged olives will be the fly to try for rainbows or browns,  or cutthroats in the upper reaches. Rocky mountain whitefish are common, and the odd bull trout (Alberta’s provincial fish) is an interesting possibility.  Lake trout will be on deep trolling only that time of year – but can be a blast with a fly rod and a streamer on a downrigger (makes the purists scream too!) Brookies mainly in the beaverponds and oxbows of the Bow River. Hotels will still be charging high season rates – about double what they are at the end of the month. There is an excellent hostel in Banff, and another one in Lake Louise – you may want to check with your local International Hostel Association for membership/rates. You are (will be) a tourist. But there’s tons of backcountry to ‘escape’ to and a good guide will help.   Try Upper Bow Valley Fly Fishing in Banff- Dan Bell at (403) 760-7668 fax 762-8263 – he a super drift boat guide, has excxellent knowledge of area lakes, or can even arrange for a helicopter trip if you’ve got the budget. My close second choice would be the Green Drake Fly Shop in Canmore (403) 678-9525 fax (403) 678-2183  They do a lot of guiding, and have an excellent little shop that while difficult to find – is worth your while. Free and friendly and specific advise to c&r fishers. Tight lines & short strings Andrew Whittick   Banff Alberta

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Hi, I’m planning a trip to the Banff/Lake Louise area in early Sept. Any info re: hotels, guides, expected conditions and how to escape the tourists would be appreciated. Thanks in advance JT

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says… Hi, I’m planning a trip to the Banff/Lake Louise area in early Sept. Any info re: hotels, guides, expected conditions and how to escape the tourists would be appreciated. Thanks in advance JT

ps – almost forgot when fishing in Canada’s Mountain National Parks – you may not use lead weighted flys or lead weights less than 50 grams. No such restrictions outside of the parks though.  Floating the Bow River from Banff to Canmore will require a National Parl fishing license, and an Alberta license. Both are quite inexepensive (under $20 CDN) Andrew Whittick   Banff Alberta

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I have a question concerning nymphing…I learned that one should dead drift a nymph (holding the rod high) through riffles, pocket-water, along seams, etc.. I was on the DePuys outside of Livingston.

True, generally that’s a good idea (dead drifting).  Some times I find it effective to impart a slight twich every couple of seconds as the fly drifts. But that depends on the pattern I am fishing (e.g., ameletus immitation). life…these generally don’t have the capability to swim in the current,

Not so, there are swimmers such as the ameletus, which swims as fast as a minnow.  But anyway, even the nonswimming crawlers get dislodged in riffles while moving from one place to another, maybe foraging.  Some types of nymphs, e.g. the stonefly, crawl to shore to hatch and may be dislodged by fast currents and drift in the current. How does this impact presentation?? Favorite patterns: B-H squirrel tail, B-H telico, B-H Hare’s ear…all 10-16

These are caddis and mayfly imitations and a dead drift is fine.  They rise to the surface and hatch, or hatch while rising to the surface. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Not so, there are swimmers such as the ameletus, which swims as fast as a Hello Burton, I’m not familiar with the ameletus. Can you tell me a little about it?

Glad to Fred!  Ameletus (Genus) belongs to the Family Siphlonuridae.  It seems to be a distinctly western genus of mayflies.  Sixteen species are recorded from the West, and only four from the rest of the country.  They have been know to emerge in both the opening and closing weeks of the trout season, and often in between.  This is probably because of the large number of species.  They are a reddish-brown color (nymph and dun, I use a Hendrickson shade of dubbing to tie), and the nymph has short antennae small single, oval gills on abdominal segments 1-7 and the leading edges of the gills have a dark sclerotized band.  Three tails fringed with interlocking hairs and have one to several dark bands accross them near the tip (very distinctive, I use golden pheasant tippet for my imitation).  The have a broad head with large eyes on the side.  Size varies 6-14 mm(1/4-1/2 in.).   On specimens I have collected one or more of the abdominal segments on the underside is white. Their distribution is quite wide throughout the west, but some of the best populations are found in high mtn. streams of the Rockies where they have been collected at altitudes up to 11,000 ft.  They are commonly found in small, rapid streams, near but not *in* fast water.  They rrest on clean stones, vegetation, or debris.  They have been found all the way from small coastal streams to large desert rivers (not found in lakes).  They often inhabit deep undercut banks, away from the main current, the same places inhabited by large trout. Which is probably why it took us so long to discover them on a streach of river we knew held fish but couldn’t figure out what they fed on.  As a last resort we swept out a handfull of vegetation and debris from under the bank. The little critters were flying all over the place.  As I mentioned before, they swim with minnow-like speed.   Disturbances as I mentioned, send them scurring for better cover.  Their active swimming behavoir makes them readily available to trout. Ameletus have a one-year life cycle and the nymphs feed on algae or other plant material.  When mature they select a quiet area near the water’s edge to emerge.  The nymphs crawl from the water on plant stems, twigs, rocks or logs, like their sister genus Siphlorurus.  It may take fifteen minutes for the dun to free itself from the nymphal shuck.  Since they emerge above water the duns are seldom available to fish.  Spinner flights have never been recorded in any literature and mating may take place far from the water or high above it. It’s an interesting bug, and well worth looking for.  We have taken some nice fish on the nymph imitations.  When shown a picture of the bug by Dave McNeese, Polly Rosborough thought it was his Isonychia bicolor.  The color is similar and because of this it may have been misidentified or largely ignored by fly fishing writers. Well, there’s more than you ever wanted to know about Ameletus. Tight Lines, -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a question concerning nymphing…I learned that one should dead drift a nymph (holding the rod high) through riffles, pocket-water, along seams, etc.. I was on the DePuys outside of Livingston. <snip lots of great stuff        The guiding principle of when to use which technique is to understand which insect one is trying to imitate… In unfamiliar water with unfamiliar insects, the technique you described is often the best place to start…  If it doesn’t produce and you know there are fish there, do a bit of stream bottom research and change accordingly. Alan,

Nice summary on nymphing technique.  I really didn’t address technique.  If John wants to learn more about technique I suggest he try to obtain a copy of Charles E. Brooks excellent book "Nymph Fishing For Larger Trout" (ISBN 0-8329-0330-2) in which he discusses all aspects of nymph fishing (10 methods even). Tight Lines, -Burton — L. Burton Hawley Corvallis, OR          "Those children that you spit on           as they try to change their world,           are immune to your consultations,           and are quite aware of what they are                    going through."      "Changes"      David Bowie

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Hey folks, I have a question concerning nymphing…I learned that one should dead drift a nymph (holding the rod high) through riffles, pocket-water, along seams, etc.. I was on the DePuys outside of Livingston. I see a number of FFers fishing nymphs downstream…I assume that some are using streamers…but I was under the impression that a nymph pattern was immitating (obviously??) nymphal stages of insect life…these generally don’t have the capability to swim in the current, right? So wouldn’t fishing downstream cause them to swing across the current or drag through the water creating non-natural movement of the nymph? I mostly fish the Chattahoochee or rivers/streams in the North Georgia Moutains…much faster than the slower spring creeks out West…the Hooch can be fairly deep in some places( 10ft) but I tend to wade the 2-4ft areas and most of the streams in N. GA that I fish are around 2-3ft with pools about 4-5ft in depth.   How does this impact presentation?? Favorite patterns: B-H squirrel tail, B-H telico, B-H Hare’s ear…all 10-16 Any and all techniques appreciated. Thanks, -John *       John Carney        * * Fly Fisher & Parrot Head *

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Not so, there are swimmers such as the ameletus, which swims as fast as a minnow.  But anyway, even the nonswimming crawlers get dislodged in riffles while moving from one place to another, maybe foraging.  Some types of nymphs, e.g. the stonefly, crawl to shore to hatch and may be dislodged by fast currents and drift in the current.

Hello Burton, I’m not familiar with the ameletus. Can you tell me a little about it? Thanks,

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I have a question concerning nymphing…I learned that one should dead drift a nymph (holding the rod high) through riffles, pocket-water, along seams, etc.. I was on the DePuys outside of Livingston.

<snip John,      I spent a very long time trying to catch trout with nymphs before I ever got a single hit…..then a kind gentleman, Chuck Davidison showed me how to do the normal "dead drift"….. but since have learned how and now prefer when there is no surface activity to use nymphs…. as it is very deadly..         Clearly dead drift is one of the best techniques for nymphing…..  with the line so slack you do not impart artificial movement or underwater drag to the fly… but with the line so taut that you can instantly sense any pick up…… *but* there are many other good presentations…. One I love in deep quiet pools is the "Bergman" crawl…. described in Ray Bergman’s "Trout"…. letting a nymph settle all the way to the bottom of a pool and then slowly with the fingers of the left hand (for right handed l….) sllllloooooooowwwwly winding in the fly line to crawl the nymph over the bottom….. has the advantage of imparting a realistic move, yet allowing instant telegraph of a pick-up.        Another effective technique a few days before the white miller hatch in July in Pa. is to use a perfectly white nymph with a bit of a tail.  Make very fast 12 inch jerks or strips of the fly line while there is a down and across drift.   space the strips a few seconds apart and make sure the nymph is within an inch of the bottom… You may need to dip you rod tip underwater….  this nymph is a swimmer and a fast swimmer and is quite active the few days before the duns appear at dusk… the best time to use this technique.        Another is the Leisenring lift named for Jim Leisenring noting that many nymphs rise to the surface *immediately* prior to the dun-on-the-water phase in a manner of completing an arc from the bottom and moving to the surface faster near the end of the rise… this is simulated by dead drifting and then as the fly swings past the fisherperson, allowing the line to tighten then smoothly lifting the rod to do the Leisenring lift…. The trout will take the fly about 5 inches below the surface.        The guiding principle of when to use which technique is to understand which insect one is trying to imitate… In unfamiliar water with unfamiliar insects, the technique you described is often the best place to start…  If it doesn’t produce and you know there are fish there, do a bit of stream bottom research and change accordingly. Tightlines, Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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John, Please take the following with my usual caveat: I don’t consider myself or my opinions expert. Re: fishing nymphs downstream…while I have been on a near 10-year dry fly love-fest, I can remember a few things from my previous fishing life. I was weaned on multiple wet-flys and have caught hundreds of trout using the old down-and-across. It has been my observation that as the fly swings across the current it is popped upward just like a nymph heading for the surface. With practice, one can time this "emergence" to occur in likely trout lies. Same applies to downstream nymphing, but you must exercise much more restraint in setting the hook (hooking angle is terrible…too quick, and you pull it right out his mouth), while the "swing" is often a self-hooking affair. Since my wonderful (seriously) wife found me a good straight bamboo at an auction this summer, I am planning a return to my "three-at-a-time-swing", for old time’s sake if nothing else. As far as specific techniques…that will come if you pay attention to what’s happening. One word of advice that has really helped me: If you can’t spit in his eye, you’re casting too far. Good luck. — Jim Marple "He went fishing…call back at dark thirty."

snip I see a number of FFers fishing nymphs downstream…I assume that some are using streamers…but I was under the impression that a nymph pattern was immitating (obviously??) nymphal stages of insect life…these generally don’t have the capability to swim in the current, right? So wouldn’t fishing downstream cause them to swing across the current or drag through the water creating non-natural movement of the nymph?

snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *       John Carney        * * Fly Fisher & Parrot Head *

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John: When the water is clear and the trout can see all, you sometimes have to present the nymph on a downstream cast.  The angler should then release line thru the rod guides to give the nymph a drag free float before it swings to the side of the stream. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey folks, I have a question concerning nymphing…I learned that one should dead drift a nymph (holding the rod high) through riffles, pocket-water, along seams, etc.. I was on the DePuys outside of Livingston. I see a number of FFers fishing nymphs downstream…I assume that some are using streamers…but I was under the impression that a nymph pattern was immitating (obviously??) nymphal stages of insect life…these generally don’t have the capability to swim in the current, right? So wouldn’t fishing downstream cause them to swing across the current or drag through the water creating non-natural movement of the nymph? I mostly fish the Chattahoochee or rivers/streams in the North Georgia Moutains…much faster than the slower spring creeks out West…the Hooch can be fairly deep in some places( 10ft) but I tend to wade the 2-4ft areas and most of the streams in N. GA that I fish are around 2-3ft with pools about 4-5ft in depth.   How does this impact presentation?? Favorite patterns: B-H squirrel tail, B-H telico, B-H Hare’s ear…all 10-16 Any and all techniques appreciated. Thanks, -John *       John Carney        * * Fly Fisher & Parrot Head *

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some really excellent info clipped < Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

Alan (et. al.), Thanks for the info folks…today the weather is bright, clear and 70 degrees! I’m hoping that the Hooch won’t look like YooHoo by this weekend….we have a lot of construction north of Atlanta and the runoff from the red clay really gets bad… However, there are other places…a few more days of this weather and the hatch will be on!  Gosh, I feel an illness coming on…;-D –John *       John Carney        * * Fly Fisher & Parrot Head *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike

Hi Mike, I’m glad to see you get this club going again. You wouldn’t consider a tall, skinny old duffers who falls in the water a lot as a candidate for membership? Just kidding, Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Do the adjectives "short" and "fat" modify "cigar," or "flyfishers"? vince norris

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Al, Until your post, I was wondering what was supposed to be "short and fat" — the cigar or the flyfisher. DaveB

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Missed the beginning of this thread. Where do I go to sign up? Bob

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Hi: Well it could be both or either I guess. The intent is for us anglers that are short and fat in stature to gain recognition in the fly fishing market. The Cigar Smoking is just an added pleasure for those of us who partake in it. MMT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike Hi Mike, I’m glad to see you get this club going again. You wouldn’t consider a tall, skinny old duffers who falls in the water a lot as a candidate for membership? Just kidding, Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

Your club is greta, though I’ll skip the cigars.  It is frustrating to try to find waders for someone 5′6" and 240 lbs.  However, you might considerthe fact that we are the final result of millions of years of evolution and that so-called "thin"people are merely, unlike us, "famine resistance challenged"!  Bill

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Not trying to be a smart a**, but try finding waders for 6′-6" 170# size 10 foot.  Most mfgs think that if you are 6-6, you should be 320 or so! One of these days I’ll find something in my size Steve Stillabower Indianapolis, IN

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Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). We have made contacts with various manufacturers that are willing to make extended sized clothing and equipment available to all us guys and GALS who have a short stature and look like a sparkplug. We even have a deal for preferred seating on two airlines so we and other passengers can feel more comfort on the flights. small, the advantages are great and heck lets get some recognition in this ever expanding market. Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike

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We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden          Fishinternet Australia          http://www.fishnet.com.au/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden         Fishinternet Australia         http://www.fishnet.com.au/

I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden         Fishinternet Australia         http://www.fishnet.com.au/ I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne. Can you assure me of the availability of that nectar of the gods known

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     I am new to the Whidbey Island area and am looking for streams and rivers in the local vicinity to fly fish.  Any tips will be apprecated

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EJ–      Since you only mention streams and rivers, you may already know about Pass Lake, but just in case…      Pass Lake is just north of the Deception Pass bridge at the northern end of Whidbey.  It is fly fishing only and has some truly big trout.  We are at the best time of year to fish it (April and May).  You need a boat or tube and no motors are allowed.  It is heavily fished, but when you learn it you can do pretty well.        The best way to get info is to go to the lake and tell people you’re new and start asking questions.  Most will be happy to help you out.      There are lots of streams on the mainland not too far from you.  Best advice is to find a sporting goods/fly fishing shop and pick their brains.                                Welcome to Paradise,                                               Ed Morrison (Grizzly Hackle)

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