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Two places in paradise. Does anyone have any tips for flyfihing the Animas River around Durango. We are vacationing in the area the 2nd week in June. My plans also include a day on the San Juan but my concern is that the water will be high with spring run-off and extra water released for irrigation. Any input appreciated. guy

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Yes.  My tip of the day is stop in the Durango Fly Shop. George Gehrke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two places in paradise. Does anyone have any tips for flyfihing the Animas River around Durango. We are vacationing in the area the 2nd week in June. My plans also include a day on the San Juan but my concern is that the water will be high with spring run-off and extra water released for irrigation. Any input appreciated. guy

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Two places in paradise. Does anyone have any tips for flyfihing the Animas River around Durango. We are vacationing in the area the 2nd week in June. My plans also include a day on the San Juan but my concern is that the water will be high with spring run-off and extra water released for irrigation. Any input appreciated. guy

There will be no runoff in that part of Colorado. There is VERY little snow or no snow left in the southern mountains. They are predicting major fish kills in southern Colorado this year because of lack of snowpack. Things might be OK in mid June, but things will get bad soon after. Willi

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I’d go to Duranglers, right on Main St. http://www.duranglers.com bruce h

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Two places in paradise. Does anyone have any tips for fly fishing the Animas River around Durango. We are vacationing in the area the 2nd week in June. My plans also include a day on the San Juan but my concern is that the water will be high with spring run-off and extra water released for irrigation. Any input appreciated. guy

IMHO: Be prepared with alternatives close by such as Delores, etc.  I have found that the Animas is a 50/50 if there is a lot of rain at the time you want to fish.  It gets rather roiled and can be a tough nut to crack if there is a lot of rain.  Same with the San Miguel. SJ should be good, but watch the flows, again a lot depends on good old CO getting some badly needed rain. K

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Thanks all! (The upper Delores is on my list also. Did pretty good there last year on caddis and terrestrials. Lower Delores skunked me – tough river in the summer). guy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two places in paradise. Does anyone have any tips for fly fishing the Animas River around Durango. We are vacationing in the area the 2nd week in June. My plans also include a day on the San Juan but my concern is that the water will be high with spring run-off and extra water released for irrigation. Any input appreciated. guy IMHO: Be prepared with alternatives close by such as Delores, etc.  I have found that the Animas is a 50/50 if there is a lot of rain at the time you want to fish.  It gets rather roiled and can be a tough nut to crack if there is a lot of rain.  Same with the San Miguel. SJ should be good, but watch the flows, again a lot depends on good old CO getting some badly needed rain. K

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Your ace in the hole is the San Juan River.  If you can afford it, hire out a guide and go there for a couple of days with or without one.  This is tail water and there is enough talent always fishing it that you can talk too. It’s a shame if you don’t plan enough time to stay in the area long enough to smell the roses. George Gehrke

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George, Don’t worry about the roses. I will be smelling plenty of them with the family there. I will have 3 days to fish, possibly 4 if I beg. The smell of trout water – kinda like heaven – is much preferred over roses. (We are splitting our 9 days between Telluride and Durango). guy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your ace in the hole is the San Juan River.  If you can afford it, hire out a guide and go there for a couple of days with or without one.  This is tail water and there is enough talent always fishing it that you can talk too. It’s a shame if you don’t plan enough time to stay in the area long enough to smell the roses. George Gehrke

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Thanks all! (The upper Delores is on my list also. Did pretty good there last year on caddis and terrestrials. Lower Delores skunked me – tough river in the summer).

The DOW is predicting a "total" fish kill on the Delores this summer. Willi

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George, Don’t worry about the roses. I will be smelling plenty of them with the family there. I will have 3 days to fish, possibly 4 if I beg. The smell of trout water – kinda like heaven – is much preferred over roses. (We are splitting our 9 days between Telluride and Durango).

Telluride is too high and it’s mostly "upper water" and actually hard to breath there.  It takes 30 days just to acclimate.  Durango is almost like going for the bull’s-eye.  That Gunnison Black Canyon is, "interesting". Well, you know what you’re doing. George

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Telluride is too high and it’s mostly "upper water" and actually hard to breath there.  It takes 30 days just to acclimate…..

Two years ago Becky and I went on a little trip.  We drove from our home in Milwaukee (the highest point in Milwaukee is 816 feet above sea level) to a parking lot on the western edge of Rocky Mountain National Park.  From there, we commenced a six day backpacking trip (her first ever) in the Never Summer Wilderness which took us to over 12,000 feet on the third day…..we started at 9,000 and reached 11,200 on the first day.  It was a tough first day, and the third wasn’t much better, but we "acclimated" within twenty-four hours or so. As always, George is entirely full of shit and absolutely incapable of rendering an opinion on ANYTHING without a boatload of factual errors, and worse.  There is more to be said with regard to this matter, but I am content to let it rest here for the moment unless anyone who hasn’t been here long enough to get to know him would like a bit of background……or unless George insists. Wolfgang your move shithead.

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The DOW is predicting a "total" fish kill on the Delores this summer.

What about any of the other rivers in the region?  I’m really concerned about a number of SWern Colorado trout streams and rivers.  I spent quite a bit of time in the region last year and it was in pretty bad shape.  That was in a year where they had above average snowfall, but still experiencing the effects of drought conditions from previous years.  My favorite high mountain stream might become a nice little sand creek…. — remove all x and y’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Remember Herters? The case that finally dove them into bankruptcy was importing flies and fly tying material from India (and other countries).   I would think customs inspectors would see a red light when any thing like a feather showed up in the baggage of a traveler just back from India.  I don’t think the money saved would be worth the trouble.

I got the impression he was bringing a kit to tie with while he was *in* India which is why I recommended looking there for materials instead of bringing them *into* India. FWIW — Charlie…

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I think your right.  It just sounded like the tread was evolving to the point where the guy was going to bring a cotton sack full of feathers back with him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got the impression he was bringing a kit to tie with while he was *in* India which is why I recommended looking there for materials instead of bringing them *into* India. FWIW — Charlie…

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Yes,  I was just after the most basic materials to take,  just in case I couldn’t find them there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think your right.  It just sounded like the tread was evolving to the point where the guy was going to bring a cotton sack full of feathers back with him. I got the impression he was bringing a kit to tie with while he was *in* India which is why I recommended looking there for materials instead of bringing them *into* India. FWIW — Charlie…

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Remember Herters?  The case that finally dove them into bankruptcy was importing flies and fly tying material from India (and other countries).   I would think customs inspectors would see a red light when any thing like a feather showed up in the baggage of a traveler just back from India.  I don’t think the money saved would be worth the trouble. There are shops around here that sell crafts from third world countries.  I have not checked them out because they are mostly "pottery and useless things that women buy"..  If they sold fly I would consider buying from them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Assuming that space is drastically limited  (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore), What kind of fish? Since a good percent of the worlds commercially tied flies come from India there may be plenty of materials available there. — Charlie…

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Assuming that space is drastically limited  (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore),  and I’m taking 2 rods 9′ #6 & 9′ #10 (both 4 piecers to go on plane with me).  I shall be taking a small travellers’ flytying kit with me,  and some crucial materials plus the hooks (large and small).  Space & weight is really limited (after all,  this is supposed to be a business trip),  so perhaps a black silk thread,  some fine copper wire, ~ but what else? What would you guys take?  I have semi made up my mind on the materials, but would like to hear some recommendations.

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What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water? George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Mike, I would definitely take some marabou and chenille as this is relatively light and flat so is easily packed. Are you still up for the fly swap. E-mail me if any problems. Chris

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Assuming that space is drastically limited  (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore),  

What kind of fish? Since a good percent of the worlds commercially tied flies come from India there may be plenty of materials available there. — Charlie…

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Are you Richard Cook ("RC")? I received an email from RC about a fly-swap, 12 contesters or something;  is this the fly swap you mention? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I would definitely take some marabou and chenille as this is relatively light and flat so is easily packed. Are you still up for the fly swap. E-mail me if any problems. Chris

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What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water?"

I really don’t know what I’ll be after.  In fact it is a perfect mystery for me.  I have once stumbled over some writings by a British Army officer whilst posted in Bangalore.  He did in fact catch some tiny brownies in the streams in the hills there.  However,  I shall also be in Madras (Chennai) for a while,  and that is by the seaside.  I have only ever spent 1 week in India.  I saw the most numerous and humongous rats in Bombay; I enjoyed the relative leafy calm of Bangalore,  and I withered in the August heat of Delhi. My first day in Bangalore saw some kites from my car window in the suburbs/rural fringes.  I asked my agent what they were,  and he said that they were large predatory birds looking for "things" in the waterways.  We soon came across a bridge over one of these waterways.  Naturally I was keen to take a peek over the bridge walls.  I’ve never seen such pollution ever in my life; the water was literally a flowing mass of human waste.  God only knows what the kites were after.  There certainly were no fish in this particular stream. I will be in India on and off for some time to come.  I have already given instructions to my agent to research the topic of "fly fishing in southern India".  A topic on my agenda for "taxi from airport talk" will most definitely be "where are we going fishing then?"  "what will we be after", and (hopefully) so on. Anyway,  I’ve opted for: pheasant tail hare’s mask peacock herl starling breast feathers some seal’s fur some badger cock hackles ginger too tinsel small amount of yellow bucktail 2 starling secondaries (one from either wing) french partridge breast feathers duck flank What else should I take?

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Michael, yes this is the fly swap. You sent me a message saying you wantyed to participate in the fly swap, sorry if this is not you. Please advise if you will be participating in the swap. Thanks Chris

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Must have been a while ago,  as I obviously must have forgotten.  Either that or bad memory.  Did I really mail a message saying I would?    Mmm, I’m getting to the point wherefrom  I forget how bad my  memory really is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael, yes this is the fly swap. You sent me a message saying you wantyed to participate in the fly swap, sorry if this is not you. Please advise if you will be participating in the swap. Thanks Chris

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You should be able to obtain more than sufficient tying supplies in India. Quite a lot of stuff is on offer there for tying.  A friend of mine brought back several hundred quite excellent capes from India, but that was over twenty years ago.  Might be worth having a good look around though. Be careful about CITES regulations if you bring anything back with you. I would probably take along a hares mask, a starling skin, and get the rest there.  I assume you will be fishing in hill streams for brownies, I vaguely remember reading something about this a long time ago, but I have forgotten where. I also recall reading that many rivers in India are so badly polluted that fishing is more or less a waste of time. Might even be worth while to concentrate on getting some good tying materials, and forget the fishing.  I recall my friend telling me he only fished twice while he was there, once for trout, and once for something like perch, the rest of the time he wandered around collecting materials. Got some magnificent stuff too. Whatever, hope you have a nice time there. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Assuming that space is drastically limited  (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend?

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Check import of natural materials.  For example, I think Japan bans peacock. Don’t know anything about India.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Assuming that space is drastically limited  (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore),  and I’m taking 2 rods 9′ #6 & 9′ #10 (both 4 piecers to go on plane with me).  I shall be taking a small travellers’ flytying kit with me,  and some crucial materials plus the hooks (large and small).  Space & weight is really limited (after all,  this is supposed to be a business trip),  so perhaps a black silk thread,  some fine copper wire, ~ but what else? What would you guys take?  I have semi made up my mind on the materials, but would like to hear some recommendations.

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<< What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water?"

I really don’t know what I’ll be after.  In fact it is a perfect mystery for me.  I have once stumbled over some writings by a British Army officer whilst posted in Bangalore.  He did in fact catch some tiny brownies in the streams in the hills there. << Michael"   A quick search under Mahseer, a species I remember from reading books by colonial British sportsmen, found the following, among 80 other sites.  I have no connection to this or any other fishing site and relay it only as a possible source of info. "Mahseer Fishing Holidays in India with Chandertal Tours The finest freshwater fighting fish in the world? The Mahseer is regarded by many anglers as simply the best sport available, and the first time you hook a sizeable one you will discover why! Today, it can be found mostly in India and Burma." http://www.adventure-mag.com/Default.asp?Adventure=14 I think I recall that Mahseer are the largest members of the minnow family, running well past 100 lbs.  Legendarily, one needs deep sea gear to land them. Probably horsehooey; in Indian rivers today you probably are casting for Coney Island Whitefish.  The Mahseer in the picture at that site is pretty impressive though. Keep us posted. Glenn GKT

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<< What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water?"

I really don’t know what I’ll be after.  In fact it is a perfect mystery for me.  I have once stumbled over some writings by a British Army officer whilst posted in Bangalore.  He did in fact catch some tiny brownies in the streams in the hills there.   << Michael"   Forget my last post about a web site on Mahseer.  Look at the picture at this site http://www.indianwildlife.com/angling_mahseersouth.htm It would take a fish like that to convince me to stand half-naked in a river in India, and the sucker had better have fought like a tarpon.  Anyway, this site was under "southern" India and Bangalore.  Good luck. Maybe there are still exotic species tucked away in corners where people haven’t completely crapped up the world. GKT

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Assuming that space is drastically limited  (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore),  and I’m taking 2 rods 9′ #6 & 9′ #10 (both 4 piecers to go on plane with me).  I shall be taking a small travellers’ flytying kit with me,  and some crucial materials plus the hooks (large and small).  Space & weight is really limited (after all,  this is supposed to be a business trip),  so perhaps a black silk thread,  some fine copper wire, ~ but what else? What would you guys take?  I have semi made up my mind on the materials, but would like to hear some recommendations.

Penicillin. And plenty of it.

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Give it a break Ken.

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Xref: news-feed.riddles.org.uk rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:48523 Xref: ratbert.tds.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:183077 … Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is. More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry

_______  You and I will meet one day, face to face. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.

LOL, I’ve learned. Regards, Jeff

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Faeces to faeces? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry _______  You and I will meet one day, face to face. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.       Jim

In your opinion, FWIW. — Charlie…

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Faeces to faeces?

        we have yet another nomination for european post of the year! wayno

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What in th’ world?  Is this testing actually necessary?

Many have wondered whether this news group is necessary.  I am working on the definitive answer.  Will keep you posted.      

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Got May issue of Fly Fisherman today and the ad on page 11 looked like Walt tryingto guide me up Wilson’s Creek last fall.  Know its not Pamlico Jim as he would be running.  Picture on Page 53 shows spot where I camped for three days last summer. Rocks were not slippery, and no rododendums got in mnto my fly.  I enjoyed both and plan to attend both eastern and Western claves this manhattens.   No I do not plan to play tennis or get drunk.  Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Xref: news-feed.riddles.org.uk rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:48523 Xref: ratbert.tds.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:183077 … Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is. More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry _______  You and I will meet one day, face to face.

More like his ass and your face, George.  ;)

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I have many Tom Thumbs. Got introduced to it in British Columbia. Hook: 8 to 16, fine wire Tail: Deer hair ends Body: Deer hair is tied in at the tail with butt ends. The thin ends of the deer hair are pulled forward to form a sheath body and tied off at the head. Deer hair is then spread up or around to form a hackle. Light grizzly hackle can be added as a variation, but I usually do not. If you use thicker tying thread for this fly it is more durable. You may tie it up from bend of the hook to get better hhoking qualities. Data: The major dry fly of British Columbia lakes from sedges to tiny chironomids. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.        Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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… Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.

More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry

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What in th’ world?  Is this testing actually necessary?     Meroli

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Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly.

Looks interesting, yet I’ve never heard of it.  Probably floats well – the first "deer hair hackle" fly I’ve seen (not counting Muddler Minnows, etc. of course).  Presents a bit of a mayfly look, bit of a beetle look.  Strange, but maybe it works. Regards, Jeff

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Huh…Been using this for years on Bluegills….didn’t know it had a name. Color does not seem important, gray to brown, all are effective. It seems that the more the fish chew it up the better it works. jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly. http://www.virtualkamloops.net/bcfff/thumb.htm http://www.sportfishingbc.com/tom_thumb.htm Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli — http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible. I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it. I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear. I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!!

Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli

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… I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with. But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime…

For hackling flies, those Hoffman saddles are hard to beat, but for hackle fiber tails, bass bug hackle, streamer wings, and so forth, it’s nice to have a few Metz saddles (not microbarb) at the bench. I recently got a great deal on some bulk saddles at a local fly shop (3 for $5!!), that are being turned into pike streamers. I love my Hoffmans, but they just aren’t up to the job. Also, for anyone who like barbless hooks, consider getting a small pair of needlenose pliers. There’s a much wider variety of both flies and hooks in the barbed variety, all of which are easily debarbed with the pliers. BTW, some of the nicest brookies I’ve caught have been on yellow-bodied flies. I didn’t notice any yellow naturals around, but the fish never seemed to care, so neither did I (g). — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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… I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.

i know i should keep my mouth shut, but how in the hell do they teach them cocks to "hancock" them necks? furthermore, how the hell can ya determine one’s scratch from another? waldo, returning to the light side…. Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with. i know i should keep my mouth shut, but how in the hell do they teach them cocks to "hancock" them necks? furthermore, how the hell can ya determine one’s scratch from another? waldo, returning to the light side…. Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

— Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly. http://www.virtualkamloops.net/bcfff/thumb.htm http://www.sportfishingbc.com/tom_thumb.htm Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli

– http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

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Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible. I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it. I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear. I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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_____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible.   I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it.   I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear.   I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Hi Corey,  have a look at these URL

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I have offered a Wright & McGill Fre-Line Model 10-BC Fishing Reel.  Like the Edsel, this product was not particularly popular.  Its construction is, in my way of thinking, somewhat bizarre.  Listed for an opening bid of $8.00 (with no reserve), it is great addition to any collection.  To see the reel just click http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=155017744 . Regards, Edoc4853

It looks like a yo-yo. It had to be made in the early 60s. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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It’s probably the Fre-Line reel….it was a casting reel modeled after the Johnson Reel the came out in the late 50’s before the Johnson Century reel.  This reel was designed to be mounted on a fly rod and used for bait or spin fishing….I have TWO of them, and for years carried one in my creel (subsequently vest) so that after fising a mile or three upstream with flies, I could turn around and fish the same path back with lures and/or (gasp!!!) bait to catch the dumb fish I missed the first time. Larry #:)#

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I have offered a Wright & McGill Fre-Line Model 10-BC Fishing Reel.  Like the Edsel, this product was not particularly popular.  Its construction is, in my way of thinking, somewhat bizarre.  Listed for an opening bid of $8.00 (with no reserve), it is great addition to any collection.  To see the reel just click http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=155017744 . Regards, Edoc4853

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Try the white mountains near Apache country. When are you going? Buddy of mine hit the white and black river at around 8000 feet or so in mid March, and streams were high from runoff. These rivers have the fabled apache trout, which appears to resemble a brown trout after a slipped disk operation. Nice looking fish. High water in March skunked our trip, but beautiful country, and i hope to go back. Alex Pacek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what are the best spots in az for a flyfishing/backpacking trip?  and not the grand canyon.  thanks

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what are the best spots in az for a flyfishing/backpacking trip?  and not the grand canyon.  thanks

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

     Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason.                                                         John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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My experience with this goes back about 15 years ago, BC (before children).  My best buddy and I were AVID backpackers, taking two one week trips and at least 4 long weekenders a year in the Sierras, mostly between 8,000 and 10,500 elevations. These were all summer and fall trips, and the mosquitos were brutal- the only saving grace was they were so big, you’d either see their lights or hear the landing gear dropping as they came in on you! =8^) But seriously folks…..when we went out for a week at a time, and KNEW we’d never see anyone else that we cared if we offended or not, we would start taking garlic OIL capsules two days before our trip and take them daily with every meal until two days before we came back out into the real world again.  We had little if any problem with mosquitos on these trips, but did carry Cutter’s or OFF with us in the event of an unusually persistent swarm. Believe you me though, YOU WILL REEK all the while it’s in your system…you sweat it out bigtime and that’s why it keeps them off of you.  When we returned and it was washtime for the trail clothes and sleeping bag…they STUNK of garlic something fierce. I think you may need to experiment with how much to use, everybody’s different, but make sure it’s the kind of garlic oil capsules that have the odor..some of them don’t. Larry #:)#

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees.  I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh      Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason.                                                         John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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writes It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.

Hi John, why not start chewing on Thursday, that will guarantee the ladies will be out of town at the weekend. No more snakes I hope?  Regards, — Bill

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees.  I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

      Sorry about the digression, it was offered as other little known facts of insect behavior from personal experience. If cutters works for you that is fine. The question was "does garlic work and why". The answers were "yes" and "through masking of cabon dioxide in the breath." . This is also true of noseeums (sand gnats).                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

     There is no DETECTED odor (by humans). However the noseeum plague that has recently affected Fl. school yards has prompted studies that concluded "sand ghnates are attracted by carbon dioxide exhalations" a means has been developed whereby a microb emitting carbondioxide is used in traps around school yards to attract and trap the insects. It worked, it was also found that the traps contained mesquitos also, due to the same olfactory stimuli.      It is an asumption on my part that the masking of the breath is the reason garlic or smoking work. It is however a plausable conclusion when if biting insects are bothering me, I light up and they go away as has happened many times as has chewing a few sections of garlic cloves before beginning mowing where I know there are gnats or mesquitos. I’m never bothered and don’t feel like a greased pig.                                                            John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh      Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included.

I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.  Smoking, on the other hand is a fairly good method of keeping people and mosquitos away.  If you are not a smoker, however, you should stick to good old chemical repelent. Kanghoon Lee

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[deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.

[deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree.  If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent. [deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

You mean, use it just like a stink bomb?  I never thought of that Thanks. Kanghoon

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Anything that deters the moeskeeters must be worth a try — Regards Peter

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with  deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

Its also a known carcinogen. I love the stuff, but if garlic works (and its good for your heart)…. I’ll bite (bad pun)

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It works great for vampires, too.  I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!! Ed

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It works great for vampires, too.  I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!!

Ah! but have you been out at night, fishing for sea trout? Bewaaaare! The Vampire Coachman will get you. — Bill

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

Hi All, A friend of mine that lives in BC doesn’t have a problem with mosquitos himself. They bite him and nothing happens?  I guess he is not effected by the anti- coagulants that they inject into you so they can keep the blood flowing. I guess the itchy bumps that we get are a reaction to the anti-coagulants? I like to stop in Williams, CA, just off Hwy I5, about an hour north of Sacramento for a garlic fix! We stop at Luie Ciro’s(sp) in the town of Williams for some of the best Italian food in the area. They have what they call ‘Luie Bread’. It is baked French bread with about a 1/2" of chopped fresh garlic on top. Wow, what a smell! Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now.   If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now. If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

     It is also said to keep away vampires and definatly keeps people out of your private space. Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. Here in florida "no seeums" are really bad during dry seasons but I am not bothered by them due to my smoking. Garlic will do wonders for your colesteral count and inhibit the pesky little critters. It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.                                                     John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes.  I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize.  However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof.  For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now.   If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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I am looking for flyfishing spots within 1hour drive of arlington,va to fish with my 8 year old son. Ideally, looking for spots with parking available within 1mile of site-please e-mail thx

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As someone who travels to DC often, I’d like to know about any nearby flyfishing, too. Please post replies or include me in the e-mail. Thanks! Rod Forth

Ok.  You’ll hear people write about the Patapsco, Potomac, Hunting Creek and others around DC. The Pat and the Pot have some Smallmouth, the Pat a few put-n-take  trout in the Spring.  Hunting Creek is worthless as a trout fishery — it’s become one of the great disappointments in Maryland because of uncontrolled flow  – meaning very little flow (so don’t waste your time driving to Thurmont unless you want to see some pretty scenary).   Set your sights on the Gunpowder in northern Baltimore county, below Prettyboy reservoir.    Best thing going (within a couple hours of DC, anyway). One rule:  Put them back unharmed.  Thanks. J

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I know of the big hunting creek in the Cotoctin mountain. There are also a few others in the area. I’ve been there a couple of times but i’m not sure of the highway that goes there. I do know that it is near FREDERICK and THURMONT MD. It is about an hour drive from DC. I suggest you look at a map or better yet call a local fly shop. tight lines mike* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As someone who travels to DC often, I’d like to know about any nearby flyfishing, too. Please post replies or include me in the e-mail. Thanks! Rod Forth

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Fished with Capt. Ron Rebeck of Backcountry Charters in Florida. Ron holds the 1994 world record Ladyfish title on fly. We caught literally a hundred or more Ladyfish, Reds, and Large Jacks. We weighed several of "my" Ladyfish for possible titles. Many fish "just" short. What a thrill. All on fly. They have a toll free no. 1-800-932-REEL(9335). This guy is the best guide I have ever fished with. Hope you try him out…enjoy!

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Fished with Capt. Ron Rebeck of Backcountry Charters in Florida. Ron holds the 1994 world record Ladyfish title on fly. We caught literally a hundred or more Ladyfish, Reds, and Large Jacks. We weighed several of "my" Ladyfish for possible titles. Many fish "just" short. What a thrill. All on fly. They have a toll free no. 1-800-932-REEL(9335). This guy is the best guide I have ever fished with. Hope you try him out…enjoy!

Where were you fishing out of and how big is this world record ladyfish.  I lived and fished in SW Florida for quite a few years and always enjoyed catching ladyfish.  They fight as spectacularly as most anything. tight lines

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        Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…         My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-         From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.         From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).         I’m kind of busy for another week or so, and like I’ve said- I’m no expert here.  Is there some flyfishing sys admin who could help us set it up?  Or email me and I’ll do it myself?  If you don’t think we should have a new newsgroup, that’s fine.  But, you certainly can’t be against having a discussion and vote, right?         Thanks- -Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…    My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-    From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.    From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).

  Technically, any discussion on here is pretty much a waste of time if   the true intent is to alter/create newsgroups and/or their structure.   Your efforts would be better spent in the news.- forums, because   that is where these things are decided.   Personally, I just don’t see the traffic in either alt.fishing or   rec.outdoors.fishing that would indicate the need for further   subdivision.  The fact that the flyfish listserv does carry a lot of   traffic is totally irrelevant to any discussion of usenet newsgroups –   they just aren’t related.  And who says bass fisherman don’t also   flyfish? — Northern Trust Co.  Chicago, IL |  DoD #97779  88 FLHTC

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Certainly the list-server will NOT be shut down for a varity of reasons, not to mention that some folks do not have access to a news server – only e-mail. I do think we need to pursue the creation of rec.fishing.flyfishing or whatever. Thomas Gilg First, let me clarify that I’m NOT proposing we terminate the flyfishing listserv. I do remain concerned however at the listserv’s explosive growth, and the ability of the list maintainer and we readers to keep up with it.           Flyfish Listserv Post Statistics for 11/92 thru 2/94       1000        950                                          *        900        850    p   800    o   750                                             + (half month)    s   700    t   650                              *    s   600                                       *        550                  *              *  *        500        450        400               *     *  *  *        350        300            *        250        200         *        150      *        100   *        50 *           11 12 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 11 12 1  2           1992                 1993                 1994                            month and year I loved the group *the way it was*, but times are changing, and none of us can change that fact.   Question is, what should we do?    I see several opportunities:    o Get more leverage from NEWS    o Find tools which help e-mail only users deal with the traffic.    o Setup services that give users visibility into the forums they      currently don’t have access to.    o Figure out how WWW/Mosaic might help us. Other options (I’m not endorsing) include:    o Restricted list servers    o Subgrouped flyfish listserv’s What it all comes down to: how do we manage the unstoppable growth, changes and limits we’re seeing in the electronic flyfishing forums? Thomas Gilg

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