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Have the white flies started to hatch on the upper Potomac yet?

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Yes.  Best time is after seven p.m.  I’ve been using a "green weenie" pattern, but using white chenille vice chartreuse. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Yes.  Best time is after seven p.m.  I’ve been using a "green weenie" pattern, but using white chenille vice chartreuse. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!!

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Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!!

Actually, looking for the Air Force Pararescue type. Need someone who can scale a cliff or a fish, shoot an attacking grizzly or a class V rapid to drag my ass out, repair a float tube or repair to the extraction point.  Must be qualified in white water, avalanche, and deep submersible rescue.  Should be world renown fly tyer and brewer. Now thats a fishing buddy.                  Frank (Just had cortisone next to my spine)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!! Actually, looking for the Air Force Pararescue type. Need someone who can scale a cliff or a fish, shoot an attacking grizzly or a class V rapid to drag my ass out, repair a float tube or repair to the extraction point.  Must be qualified in white water, avalanche, and deep submersible rescue.  Should be world renown fly tyer and brewer. Now thats a fishing buddy.

You need a dog. — TL, Tim (well, not for the fly tying and brewing but, hey, nobody’s perfect.)

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You need a dog. — TL, Tim

Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Well, I was in the Navy so I could probably call in an aircraft carrier to save you on occasion.  I’m also due to brew my sixth batch of pale ale or porter soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a dog. — TL, Tim Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Okay, think we gotta hook up.  I do know of a couple of good spots within ten miles of Harpers Ferry.  My daughter is coming back this weekend after a month away so will stay home, but mayhaps next?  I’ll even leave off the squiddly jokes. — Frank Reid (USAF Retired) Reverse email to reply.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a dog. — TL, Tim Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another.

Thanks.  Best laugh I’ve had in a week.  Nice to know someone has at least one pet crazier than most I’ve had. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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I didn’t see your original post so I don’tknow what your original questions were but I am pretty sure I can help you. — Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com Guided flyfishing on the Roanoke River and the Crystal Coast of NC out of Atlantic Beach/Morhead City/Beaufort.

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THanks for the reply. My wife and I are coming to Harkers Island in late October for 2 days of Albie fishing with Sarah Gardner. We plan to come a day early and spend a day seeing the sights, fishing from shore, visiting tackle shops, etc. My question was asking about places to fish, sights to see, and generally what to do in the area. We have a 4×4. Any info will be terrific! Peter G. Aitken I didn’t see your original post so I don’tknow what your original questions were but I am pretty sure I can help you. — Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com Guided flyfishing on the Roanoke River and the Crystal Coast of NC out of

Atlantic Beach/Morhead City/Beaufort.

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Thanks so much, Tony. We are heading down on Oct 23 so we still have time to plan. Any other info you can send will be terrific. Peter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter, I go to Harker’s Island every November for the ‘albert fishing and can offer some suggestions. 1. Places to eat: I always try the locally owned establishments. The Crab’s Claw and Sanitary Fish Market immediately come to mind. 2. All of the Core Banks is open to 4 wheel drive traffic, though you will have take one of the private commerical ferries over. I believe it cost me $120 for the vehicle and 2 people (round trip). Also there are a couple of services that will take you via boat to Core Banks (and I believe Shackleford Banks, wild horses on this one), for a small fee, maybe $25 or so. I know that one operates out of Harkers Island Marina.  This would allow you to walk the beaches, fish and  then be picked up in the afternoon. And I think the Park Service may operate one as well. I would also suggest you contact the guide or charter service you will be using, I’m sure they can provide you all of the information you need. I may be able to locate some of the info I originally dug up a few years ago when I started going there, if so I’ll let you know. Tony Minnick

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My wife and I will be doing a couple of days of charter fishing at Harker’s Island in late October. We have never been there and have some questions. 1. Recommendations on places to stay – or to avoid. 2. Restaurants. 3. We are considering going a day early to see the sights and do some from-the-shore fishing. What possibilities exist for this kind of fishing (either fly or surf casting)? Are there beaches that are open to trucks? Any and all information welcomed. THanks, Peter G. Aitken

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Check with Gordon Churchill at  http://www.flyfish-nc.com. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command.  Very often, that person is crazy.                                    …..Dave Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I will be doing a couple of days of charter fishing at Harker’s Island in late October. We have never been there and have some questions. 1. Recommendations on places to stay – or to avoid. 2. Restaurants. 3. We are considering going a day early to see the sights and do some from-the-shore fishing. What possibilities exist for this kind of fishing (either fly or surf casting)? Are there beaches that are open to trucks? Any and all information welcomed. THanks, Peter G. Aitken

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Peter, I go to Harker’s Island every November for the ‘albert fishing and can offer some suggestions. 1. Places to eat: I always try the locally owned establishments. The Crab’s Claw and Sanitary Fish Market immediately come to mind. 2. All of the Core Banks is open to 4 wheel drive traffic, though you will have take one of the private commerical ferries over. I believe it cost me $120 for the vehicle and 2 people (round trip). Also there are a couple of services that will take you via boat to Core Banks (and I believe Shackleford Banks, wild horses on this one), for a small fee, maybe $25 or so. I know that one operates out of Harkers Island Marina.  This would allow you to walk the beaches,  fish and  then be picked up in the afternoon. And I think the Park Service may operate one as well. I would also suggest you contact the guide or charter service you will be using, I’m sure they can provide you all of the information you need. I may be able to locate some of the info I originally dug up a few years ago when I started going there, if so I’ll let you know. Tony Minnick

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Question:

Turn the Sage (with apologies to Bob Seager *and* Metallica): Here I am, On the road again, There I am, Totin’ the Sage, Here I go, Fishing afar again, There I go, Off to Maine. –Steve

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See ya there buddy….leaving tomorrow night…will be arriving with DT and SF…I know you check the web on the road ( I think )… ND#1  ( good song )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Turn the Sage (with apologies to Bob Seager *and* Metallica): Here I am, On the road again, There I am, Totin’ the Sage, Here I go, Fishing afar again, There I go, Off to Maine. –Steve

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Sage doesn’t make a bamboo… I was thinking more along the lines… On the road again I just can’t wait to get on the road again. The life I love is fly fish’n with my friends, And I can’t wait to get on the road again T-14 hours and counting. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Turn the Sage (with apologies to Bob Seager *and* Metallica): Here I am, On the road again, There I am, Totin’ the Sage, Here I go, Fishing afar again, There I go, Off to Maine. –Steve

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There I go, Off to Maine. –Steve

        me, too, zimbo…that is, if i can even *find* raleigh, nc, at this time of the morning.         i plan to plant the regimental flag of the 55th north carolina, army of northern virginia, further north than it has ever been.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Ditto…….T 1 1/2 hours ND#1

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sage doesn’t make a bamboo… I was thinking more along the lines… On the road again I just can’t wait to get on the road again. The life I love is fly fish’n with my friends, And I can’t wait to get on the road again T-14 hours and counting. Paul Turn the Sage (with apologies to Bob Seager *and* Metallica): Here I am, On the road again, There I am, Totin’ the Sage, Here I go, Fishing afar again, There I go, Off to Maine. –Steve

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…         i plan to plant the regimental flag of the 55th north carolina, army of northern virginia, further north than it has ever been.

How quaint. Reminds me of another regimental flag of the treasonous states captured by a Minnesota regiment of the Army of the Potomac and recently found in the vaults of the Minnesota Historical Society. Some bunch of history minded Johnnie Rebs from Ole Virginny wanted Minnesota to return their flag. Gov. Jesse Ventura, bless his pointy little head, told ‘em to forget about it, "we took it fair and square" was his official response. — Ken Fortenberry

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Some bunch of history minded Johnnie Rebs from Ole Virginny wanted Minnesota to return their flag. Gov. Jesse Ventura, bless his pointy little head, told ‘em to forget about it, "we took it fair and square" was his official response.

That’s why I really like Jesse. No mealy-mouthed pussy footing around the issues. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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the issues.

I bet he didn’t even have to take a poll before that response either. Damn I miss Barry Goldwater. Big Dale

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. Damn I miss Barry Goldwater.

No shit. He was a true conservative, the kind that made me a R in my younger days. He had crazy ideas like the government staying out of people’s bedrooms, fiscal responsibility, stuff like that. And he was a pretty comitted environmentalist. Oh, no, wait. That’s not the Republican platform. Goldwater must’ve been just another damn liberal! — "Number 3: Put education first."  – from Geo. W.’s campaign website, list of his top ten concerns

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. Damn I miss Barry Goldwater. No shit. He was a true conservative, the kind that made me a R in my younger days. He had crazy ideas like the government staying out of people’s bedrooms, fiscal responsibility, stuff like that. And he was a pretty comitted environmentalist. Oh, no, wait. That’s not the Republican platform. Goldwater must’ve been just another damn liberal!

Don’t forget, towards the end the conservatives talked about kicking him out for his stance on abortion. — Charlie…

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bedrooms, fiscal responsibility, stuff like that. And he was a pretty comitted environmentalist. Oh, no, wait. That’s not the Republican platform. Goldwater must’ve been just another damn liberal!

I prefer to think that he was a liberterian before the tern was invented. He made points with me when he said that he thought Buchanen was a good democrat. Big Dale

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Yeah, though a libertarian won’t do anything to protect the environment (actually, won’t do anything to stop any private citizen from doing anything bad to any other private citizen short of the classic nine common-law felonies). P.S. Free bicentennial brownie button to anyone who can name those nine felonies. Here’s a hint (prepare for nostalgia, you law docs): mr and mrs lamb. Even more extra credit for anyone who remembers the two apple-stealing cases. — "If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic" — Harry S. Truman

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Hi, I came in the other day through deja.com and found, in the BMW forum, 373 listed replies to that thread… as I clicked through some of them, I was transferred through many different newsgroups, including one for Sega Dreamcast, one for Fly Fishing, and who knows what all. Today I see the same thread but with only 16 replies listed. Can someone enlighten me as to what’s going on?  Why is this thread flowing through a bunch of different newsgroups, and how did it get into the BMW forum? Thanks for any info, —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Seemed to have been a kid looking for attention by making redneck comments about a news story.  He posted it on a bunch of threads…..none appropriate.  It became obvious that only ignoring it would make it go away.

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Thanks for the reply, Ed. What I still don’t understand, however, is why clicking through the thread moves me into *entirely different newsgroups*. Clicking on reply after reply, I find myself in different forums, no Does anyone know how this is possible?  Why don’t I see *only the parts of the thread that are posted in the BMW forum*? –John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the reply, Ed. What I still don’t understand, however, is why clicking through the thread moves me into *entirely different newsgroups*. Clicking on reply after reply, I find myself in different forums, no Does anyone know how this is possible?  Why don’t I see *only the parts of the thread that are posted in the BMW forum*? –John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

Are you doing this through remarq?  Maybe it’s an option they have that sorts by thread and transcends groups.  That might actually be a cool thing to look at. Doug Mount

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Hi Doug, Go in through this link, which is to deja.com’s usenet service, click on the "White Trash" thread, then go down a ways and click on replies… you’ll find yourself in different forums as you continue to go down through, although deja says there are [at the time I looked] 660+ replies as shown on the BMW board… http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=fs]/viewthread.xp?thitnum=1&mhitnum=0&toffset=0&CONTEXT=967322458.27 6496431&frpage=threadmsg_if.xp&back=alt.autos.bmw&rok=1 I wrote to deja.com asking about it, but never got a reply. —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, whatever was up with that thread, it no longer shows up on deja.com/usenet/’s alt.autos.bmw listing — just as well. I suspect a software glitch at deja or some malicious thread tampering, but since it’s gone now, perhaps I’ll never know. —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Really getting fixated on this one…..anxious to try out some of my woolies in other waters…..got a link for white miller flies?…..john

  Joe Bruce from the Anglers Edge here in Baltimore (the man writes very good books and makes videos on catching smallies with a fly rod), suggests a White Wulff.  I can see where this would work.  For all parts of a Wulff fly, use white materials.   They seem to be perfect. A size 14 or 16 as the White Miller mayfly on the mid-Atlantic rivers (as opposed to the White Miller caddis) is a perfect size 15.    We will be at the last gasps of the white miller hatch on the 19- 20th of August.  The bass may still hit on a white pattern because of conditioning.  Or it may be because a fish will hit whatever pisses him off.  Its worth a try.    BTW, Frank Church and I will be on site from the evening of Friday the 18th.  If anyone wants to drop in, there will be a cold one available.                            Frank Reid                              F Before you buy.

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John, bring that kayak and get ready for some fun.  If the river levels hold you will be in for a real treat. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really getting fixated on this one…..anxious to try out some of my woolies in other waters…..got a link for white miller flies?…..john Dianna and I tripped down to the Rappahannock today and visited the campground.  Pictures will be available tomorrow sometime.  I talked with one of the campground owners and with a friend who guides the Rappahannock. Seems a 5 lb. smallie came from the rapids just above the campground, caught by one of the happy campers.  The guide was fishing this past week and had a little 10 inch smallie on.  Before he could strip it in a BIG smallie rose from the bottom of the pool and nailed it!  SIX POUNDS!!!  After a fine day of fishing we were on the way off the river this afternoon.  I handed my wife my 6 wt. with the lead-eyed hellgrammite and I picked up the Connor 4 wt. with the White Miller dry.  I tried a couple of fish then hit a Damsel fly in mid-cast with the Miller.  The Damsel fluttered to the water about 4 feet from me and twitched a couple of times, WHAM!!  The bass nearly caused an enviromental castrophe.  I dropped the Miller just beyond the splash and gave a couple of twitches, WHAM!!! again.  This time with hook set.  Nice little smallie. #12 White Millers with an occasional twitch and black Murray’s Lead-eyed Hellgrammite workrd wonders today.  Saw Millers all day and a hatch underway just after noon for about 30 minutes.  The top of the river got real busy. A good time was had by all. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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My OE screen says the post was at 8:40 pm.  Lower right hand clock is dead on.  Could it be the posting news server in another time zone?  I’ve noticed this with other posters. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped] For crying out loud, Wayne, what’s it going to take to get you to correctly set your computer’s clock? Or do I need to contact your ISP? Seriously, your post (the one I’m responding to) shows up on my server as having been sent at 11:40pm. I’m responding at 10:05pm, so I’m guessing somewhere between your PC and mine there’s a machine that is off by 2 hours. Your posts have been that way for several months. What gives? –Steve (and my those smallies do sound fun)

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I used to think he was a mind reader and was answering posts before you made them.  :-) Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – simple……tiime flies when yur having fun….john [snipped] For crying out loud, Wayne, what’s it going to take to get you to correctly set your computer’s clock? Or do I need to contact your ISP? Seriously, your post (the one I’m responding to) shows up on my server as having been sent at 11:40pm. I’m responding at 10:05pm, so I’m guessing somewhere between your PC and mine there’s a machine that is off by 2 hours. Your posts have been that way for several months. What gives? –Steve (and my those smallies do sound fun)

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Frank Sr.    If your grill doesn’t work, don’t worry, I’ve got some buffalo chips saved from Nebraska as a backup.  Cook them steaks up real nice.  Keeps the skeeters down too.            Frank Jr. Before you buy.

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Er, ah, maybe you ought to bring ‘tater chips instead of buffalo chips, no offense. :-/ Frank Sr. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank Sr.   If your grill doesn’t work, don’t worry, I’ve got some buffalo chips saved from Nebraska as a backup.  Cook them steaks up real nice.  Keeps the skeeters down too.           Frank Jr. Before you buy.

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Damn Wayne, if you keep this up I don’t know if I can wait until 18 Aug to do battle with those fishies.  Wuz gonna bring my pontoon boat but it is not designed for river floating (some of the frame hangs very close to the water line under my seat) this could make for some interesting results if I get hung up on a rock in rapids, etc.  I could visualize starting the float as a tenor and coming in to camp as a soprano. :-] Hey, I can live with just wade-fishing.  BTW, Frank Jr. and I have decided steaks would be nice so I am bringing my portable gas grill…FWIW. Frank (one hung low) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, bring that kayak and get ready for some fun.  If the river levels hold you will be in for a real treat.

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Well Pugs, my son is a Navy Chaplain, if you need ‘counseling’ to overcome your grief at missing the mini-clave, I’m sure he could help you out.  Only problem is you’d have to fly in to Naples for said counseling.  Think you could handle that?  ;-)) Frank (boy, do I need counseling!)  Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne, Please stop! Your continued posting of how good the fishing is going to be at the Clave makes me want to drop my orders to PR in the shredder.  Aren’t you aware of the consequences? Why without this trip the people of Vieques Island will have to go without the sound of freedom over their heads or ordnance impacting the dirt at all hours of the night. I guess I can always hope for a hurricane to head that way to cancel the whole thing then I’ll be clave bound! Cheers, Allen Epps Excuse at the ready: "But Hon I have to go to the clave, you expected me to be on det for two weeks anyway" Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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My OE screen says the post was at 8:40 pm.  Lower right hand clock is dead on.  Could it be the posting news server in another time zone?  I’ve noticed this with other posters.

Your posts are always off (in time anyway<g) for me too, the one I am replying to now says it was posted at 11:38am, but it’s only 8:37am here (EDT). FWIW. — Charlie…

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Allen, As Executive Director of a Military History Museum I can appreciate your quandry.  One of our Board Members works with the Joint Chiefs.  Perhaps I can arrange to have the island moved off the coast of Virginia and you can fly out of NAS.  There is a small airfield in Spotsylvania County, Shannon Field.  You can get a Harrier in there without any problem.  Also a large grassy field at the campground store.  A SeaKing will fit nicely. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne, Please stop! Your continued posting of how good the fishing is going to be at the Clave makes me want to drop my orders to PR in the shredder.  Aren’t you aware of the consequences? Why without this trip the people of Vieques Island will have to go without the sound of freedom over their heads or ordnance impacting the dirt at all hours of the night. I guess I can always hope for a hurricane to head that way to cancel the whole thing then I’ll be clave bound! Cheers, Allen Epps Excuse at the ready: "But Hon I have to go to the clave, you expected me to be on det for two weeks anyway" Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Wayne, The offer is certainly much appreciated. In fact we have to hop through NAS Oceana fuel pits on the way to Key West then to Roosey. The USNA wants a fly-by for the plebes taking their oath and I just know they’ll hold us at low alt for a while resulting in not enough fuel to one leg it to Key Weird. If we get to PR and the island has moved. I’ll immediatly re-file back to Norfolk and look for it off the coast! Of course, near VA rum won’t be 2.95 a gallon so sacrifies will have to be made by the clavsters if I show up. Cheers, Allen Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Don’t want him anywhere near me with that noisy old EA-6b.  I don’t even want to think about what those trons spittin’ out of his antenna would do to a highly conductive graphite rod.  Then again, he does have a couple of munitions available that would make getting that fish out of the heavy sunken brush a bit easier.      Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Wayne, Please stop! Your continued posting of how good the fishing is going to be at the Clave makes me want to drop my orders to PR in the shredder.  Aren’t you aware of the consequences? Why without this trip the people of Vieques Island will have to go without the sound of freedom over their heads or ordnance impacting the dirt at all hours of the night. I guess I can always hope for a hurricane to head that way to cancel the whole thing then I’ll be clave bound! Cheers, Allen Epps Excuse at the ready: "But Hon I have to go to the clave, you expected me to be on det for two weeks anyway" Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Dianna and I tripped down to the Rappahannock today and visited the campground.  Pictures will be available tomorrow sometime.  I talked with one of the campground owners and with a friend who guides the Rappahannock. Seems a 5 lb. smallie came from the rapids just above the campground, caught by one of the happy campers.  The guide was fishing this past week and had a little 10 inch smallie on.  Before he could strip it in a BIG smallie rose from the bottom of the pool and nailed it!  SIX POUNDS!!!  After a fine day of fishing we were on the way off the river this afternoon.  I handed my wife my 6 wt. with the lead-eyed hellgrammite and I picked up the Connor 4 wt. with the White Miller dry.  I tried a couple of fish then hit a Damsel fly in mid-cast with the Miller.  The Damsel fluttered to the water about 4 feet from me and twitched a couple of times, WHAM!!  The bass nearly caused an enviromental castrophe.  I dropped the Miller just beyond the splash and gave a couple of twitches, WHAM!!! again.  This time with hook set.  Nice little smallie. #12 White Millers with an occasional twitch and black Murray’s Lead-eyed Hellgrammite workrd wonders today.  Saw Millers all day and a hatch underway just after noon for about 30 minutes.  The top of the river got real busy. A good time was had by all. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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[snipped] For crying out loud, Wayne, what’s it going to take to get you to correctly set your computer’s clock? Or do I need to contact your ISP? Seriously, your post (the one I’m responding to) shows up on my server as having been sent at 11:40pm. I’m responding at 10:05pm, so I’m guessing somewhere between your PC and mine there’s a machine that is off by 2 hours. Your posts have been that way for several months. What gives? –Steve (and my those smallies do sound fun)

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simple……tiime flies when yur having fun….john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped] For crying out loud, Wayne, what’s it going to take to get you to correctly set your computer’s clock? Or do I need to contact your ISP? Seriously, your post (the one I’m responding to) shows up on my server as having been sent at 11:40pm. I’m responding at 10:05pm, so I’m guessing somewhere between your PC and mine there’s a machine that is off by 2 hours. Your posts have been that way for several months. What gives? –Steve (and my those smallies do sound fun)

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Really getting fixated on this one…..anxious to try out some of my woolies in other waters…..got a link for white miller flies?…..john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dianna and I tripped down to the Rappahannock today and visited the campground.  Pictures will be available tomorrow sometime.  I talked with one of the campground owners and with a friend who guides the Rappahannock. Seems a 5 lb. smallie came from the rapids just above the campground, caught by one of the happy campers.  The guide was fishing this past week and had a little 10 inch smallie on.  Before he could strip it in a BIG smallie rose from the bottom of the pool and nailed it!  SIX POUNDS!!!  After a fine day of fishing we were on the way off the river this afternoon.  I handed my wife my 6 wt. with the lead-eyed hellgrammite and I picked up the Connor 4 wt. with the White Miller dry.  I tried a couple of fish then hit a Damsel fly in mid-cast with the Miller.  The Damsel fluttered to the water about 4 feet from me and twitched a couple of times, WHAM!!  The bass nearly caused an enviromental castrophe.  I dropped the Miller just beyond the splash and gave a couple of twitches, WHAM!!! again.  This time with hook set.  Nice little smallie. #12 White Millers with an occasional twitch and black Murray’s Lead-eyed Hellgrammite workrd wonders today.  Saw Millers all day and a hatch underway just after noon for about 30 minutes.  The top of the river got real busy. A good time was had by all. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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George, I honestly think no one wants a $300 cane rod, that is why you have to push them all the time. Cane rods are not for newbies , they are for enthusiasts. They cannot compete with graphite on pure performance, although you say yours can!  Cane  if for when you discover that hertage and  presentation is what draws you to the sport. Fly fishing has more to with history  and the joy of fishing with a piece of equipment that  the maker has spent some time on and not  his rejects. George, this is a new mellenium where folk are prepared to spend a little cash on a nice piece of equipment.  I live in an area where cycling is a big thing. Do they all ride $100 bikes? no chance, they all ride hand made racing bikes and dress up to match, even if they look bloody stupid. Dont sell yourself short George, good cane has never ben cheap.  Terry   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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George G. writes: I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.  

Well, my oldest grandson and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Labrador.  Fishing was tough because of flood conditions and the weather, but we caught some nice brook trout on #16 and #18 Goddard Caddis’.   We had trouble keeping the fly afloat because of the wind and rain, but Jeff used Dave’s Bug Flote (sic), and I used Albolene and the problem was solved. Both worked really well, as well as any floatant on the market. Dave LaCourse "The Sag Continues"

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<< I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   George, take a moment and look at your last months worth of posts.  They consist almost entirely of infammatory topics.  Hell, I would love to talk fishing with you.  You only about two hours from me and we could probably share a lot of information but you can’t seem to keep yourself out of the bullseye. I know there are a lot of people here who don’t like you and that makes it difficult to post anything without somebody twisting it and taking a shot at you.  However, an awful lot of your post are self centered and self serving and that turns the rest of us off.  We all have our faults and I am by no means perfect but I have to tell ya that you bring an awful lot of grief down on yourself by the way you write and by what you choose to write about. Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off."

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The only saga that continues – your irrationality.  There’s no point responding to your post line-by-line, the self-serving bullshit it contains is obvious to everyone.  So let me put this as succintly as possible – GO AWAY! Peter

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Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner. I understand what you’re saying, and we will try to improve in that area.  Other than that, I think there is a small group here in Roff that I wouldn’t give the time of day too.  You should hear what that silent majority has to say about the flamers and smart mouths out east and in Germany.  They are fed up with them and it isn’t I that they are mostly unhappy with.  What they complain the most about is ROFF doesn’t talks about fishing enough.   Other than that, I agree with you and we should get together sometime soon.  Possibly when this entire crew gets back from the expedition? Thanks for your input, but I’m not leaving.  There are too many on the back stage who support me more than the other side.  The challenge still stands.   — "the saga will continue on my terms" In the meantime, we are working hard on the web site for all our friends and clients.   http://www.gink.com/  Just talk fly fishing!

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry

Talk fly fishing Harry.  Talk fly fishing.  Nothing else matters. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner.

Why don’t you and your legion of imaginary friends go and get fucked? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met.

Let’s see who’s the honest one here you arrogant SOB. Perhaps we should email that little ditty to every creditor on your bankruptcy list whom we could find an email address for. Oh yea, I also have the email where you acknowledged "there were problems" with the $300 rods. So much for the challenge being met. Wayne Tired of Kansas (no trout and the sms is ungodly expensive) Tired of Not Fishing And Tired of the Bullshit.

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Grow up, George. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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"Can’t we all just get along…ppplease, people, (sniff)…?" Alex (thoroughly amused at the seriousness with which some folks take themselves).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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then not.  The colder the temperatures fall the deeper and slower one needs t go.  If you can nymph in shallower waters like Jim Teeny does and get the fly ON THE BOTTOM, this is what it takes to move a fish. Trust me.  I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of hook ups in all kinds of water temperatures and it takes warmer waters to make Ironheads spunky or even interested in chasing anything way up there on the surface. This is the main reason fly line manufacturing companies make fly lines that float, sink a little, or sink a lot. hum? Deep and slow is the trick.  If you’re fishing a #8 Wt fly rod and floating line, switch over to a #9 HD SINKING shooting head if you can’t get down to the bottom fast enough.  Then there is the question, HOW do I slow that swing down? Well, if you cast straight across a current, throw in a mend t get the line down before the current grabs it, that fly will come across as fast as the current can take it.  The trick then is to cast 45 degrees down river, where I then throw a forward roll cast of sorts for a mend (or a mend) or better still, cast hard and let the fly line snap back with lots of S curves and/or slack in it and then snake your fly rod feeding out extra slack, thus giving your fly line time to sink deep.  What remains is a very distant cast, a deeply sunk fly that once all the slack is gone and the current finally grabs it, the fly comes across SLOWLY and DEEPLY, on the bottom and across the face of a Steelhead interested enough to move over and inhale your fly. That’s about it.  Low and Slow and stay warm. George Gehrke — Mr. G. All Writings

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        Help.  I’m stuck up at School and I need something to stay sane. I love to fly fish, but I don’t ha the time to get out.  And there aren’t really any good spots around.  I am interested in fly tying,  but don’t know which one’s are good.  If you have any information please help me. Thanks, Nick

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   Help.  I’m stuck up at School and I need something to stay sane. I love to fly fish, but I don’t ha the time to get out.  And there aren’t really any good spots around.  I am interested in fly tying,  but don’t know which one’s are good.  If you have any information please help me. Thanks, Nick

Ask someone in your local fly shop to show you what you need to get started.  I think you will find that you can get better tools and much better supplies if you buy them seperate, than if you get a kit.  I did when I first started tying.  The difference in cost will be less that you thing. Good Luck, Greg

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Don’t get a kit. In a kit you get a lot of crap that you will never use and some really cheap tools. Get a Thompsom "A" vise, some hooks, and the materials you need for the flies you want to tie. If you haven’t tyed flies before, the wooly bugger is the starting place. Size 10 hooks, thread, chenille and a couple chicken feathers and you are in business.

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Nick: I think the best way to get yourself a fly-tying kit would be buying one piece at a time.  I can’t say that I have seen any really kits worth getting and I am not sure that one can save money either. Simply by a tool or two at a time along with some tying materials for a specific fly.  Gradually, you will end up with enough of tools and materials for the flies you would fish with. There is no need to buy the most expensive vice.  A Thompson vise is plenty for now. good luck jimmy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Help.  I’m stuck up at School and I need something to stay sane. I love to fly fish, but I don’t ha the time to get out.  And there aren’t really any good spots around.  I am interested in fly tying,  but don’t know which one’s are good.  If you have any information please help me. Thanks, Nick

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Check out "The Hyper-Compleat Guide To Getting Started in Flytying" by Steve Schweitzer at Midwest Flytyer at http://www.mwflytyer.com/mft/articles/hyperguide.htm.  Not a bad article.  I’ve passed it onto others who found it useful.

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Anyone ever try the Gun Powder River in Maryland ?  Curious to know what it is like and how crowded it gets.  Any info would help. thanks

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Ask Phil Gay from Trout and About he guides it and is a very nice guy that is always happy to help folks out.Good luck.  703/525/7127 Regards, James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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I am sixteen years old and love to flyfish.  I am pretty sure that this is one sport I will never quit.  I want to invest in a fly rod, and I am leaning toward buying the Henry’s Fork Rocky Mt. version from Orvis.  I usually fish for trout, small smallmouth, and occaisionally panfish.  If anyone has any advice at all  it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.          LITTLE GONZO –

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Would be an excellent choice. I used to catch carp on that rod using a nymph on hook 10 and a 7lb tippet. A great rod for troutfishing too. The action of that rod is not to fast but still quick enough to punch a big fly in to the wind. The carp i caught was somewhere between 10 and 15 lb . so you see no worry for breaking the rod. My biggest trout was 22" and 3 1/2 lb. lots of success and look no further for a rod.                          tight lines in 1996,                                            Otto Winter

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I am sixteen years old and love to flyfish.  I am pretty sure that this is one sport I will never quit.  I want to invest in a fly rod, and I am leaning toward buying the Henry’s Fork Rocky Mt. version from Orvis.  I usually fish for trout, small smallmouth, and occaisionally panfish.  If anyone has any advice at all  it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.          LITTLE GONZO

My first fly rod (and so far only fly rod) is a Henry’s Fork with a Battenkill 5/6 Disc reel and a SA Mastery WFF line.  Before I got Hank I used to borrow rods from friends, so I can compare Hank to other rods. The action is slow and comfy.  It is well suited to fishing in "bush tunnel" creeks.  Shorter and rods would be better, but it is nice to have the extra length when I wade deply in larger bodies of water.  I have used Hank to toss #4 streamers to bass and pike.  Longer, stiffer, heavier rods would be better for this, but those rods are useless on small creeks. In other words, the Henry’s Fork is a happy compromise.  By the time I can afford another rod, I hope to have learned to exploit all of Hank’s virtues so that I can better appreciate how the new rod remedies Hanks shortcomings. On the other hand, I do not want to wait that long before buying a new rod!  ;-) — Keep your stick on the ice.

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The Henry’s Fork Rocky Mt version from Orvis is a very good choice – especially since it comes with the 25 yr warranty. For panfish, trout, and smallmouth, a 5 wgt is perfect.

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I would agree. The Henry’s Fork is a great buy in the RM. I personally think that a 6wt give you a wee bit more versitility. There’s a Rocky Mountain 9 ft 6 wt thats a good buy also as well as the HLS RM which is a little bit faster than the Superfine graphite and is about the same price. Chuck Abbott

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