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I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

        damn if i don’t think you have some promise as a writer of doggerel; an occupation which, in my opinion, eclipses that of a seminary student. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

That’s Disgusting!  And, like most disgusting things, freakin’ hilarious! "and tightened the fabric about me pockets"  heh heh heh,  I’m still chuckling. thanks Mu, — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway

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<snipped I clicked the URL and there she was

What was that URL again?  Sounds like they have some new info to see errr read there. Warren

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MUuuuuuu river, soft and pure white buns….. purrrrrfect for the bums of roff…… http://www.imf.au.dk/~tmm/flyfish.html

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I clicked the URL  <snipped

Thanks Mu, for now, I have seen everything. Wayno & Asadi in the same header… don’t that beat all. obclave: BTW guys, I’ve been antsy all week…see ya sat. Waldo wonderin’ , what next? — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works!

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works!

Whassat? Hey, Walt, Did you get Marie an AOL account? — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC Nine words never seen on a tombstone: " I wish I’d spent more time at the office."                                                                 …author unknown

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works! Whassat?

That’s a post from someone who doesn’t know ezflyfishing’s URL. – Mu

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you.

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose…

OUCH!  I think I’d rather be hanged.  :-)      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Aloha Bob, Feather-Craft Fly Fishing of St. Louis has one of these in their catalog: Item 621. FLYFISH NECK LANYARD features a super-comfortable neck pad with a dual break away design (no way to hang yourself in this one). Four swivel snaps … yadda yadda yadda. A must for float tubers ! and so on and so forth. http://www.flyfishamerica.com/Ads/National/FeatherCraft98JF.html — Ken Fortenberry

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You’re an animal Timbo Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

–          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS/HOME.HTM

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one question…. where do you hang your priest? waldo

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I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left.

    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty. JE

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one question…. where do you hang your priest?

Why would I need two ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken If I remember right they have a fairly low test breaking point built in.

              Jim

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[deleted]    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty.

How was Delaney ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Well I made mine with some fishing beads and other beads and some snaffles for casting tackle.  Of course if you want to pay $30 to 40 bucks,…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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They’re called lanyards.  I’ve seen them used in the salt and by some steelhead guides.  Make one. Use a piece of wire leader mtl., about 60+lb; cut some 2"/3" pieces of thin vinyl tubing.  Slip on a clip, a pc of tubing, a clip, tubing, etc..  Put the cable together with crimp sleeves, cover it with a pc of vinyl and go fish. BTW; make the thing big enough that you can pull your head out of it if it got caught on something.  Heard of a fellow…Ah, long story. BB

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I usually wear my best pearl string. But if you ask the ‘dudes’ out here they’ll tell you they usually wear a snot covered faded bandana. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. Aloha – bob    ooo_ — http://www.aloha.net/~bgraham

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Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Bob you naughty boy, don’t you know you can get leather thongs & beads at an arts & craft store  An alternative to leather is to use a boot lace. Lot’s of great stuff at the crafts stores BTW (for less than the cost at fly shops).  Speaking of beads, beading wire is useful for ribbing on nymphs.  Also available at craft stores are 5 mm pom poms for mini glo-bugs, 1/4" elastic for making leader spool tenders, doll eyes for streamers, etc.   Some bead stores are popping up at shopping malls; metallic alphabet beads to spell out your name or initials are a nice touch.  You can get the zingers and clippers at the fly shop.  I don’t like wearing my fishing necklace anymore since it tends to get in the way of my chest pack but if you wear a vest such a device can be very convenient. Mu Young Lee      Ann Arbor, MI   USA

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The fishing inside the park was great when was there.  I saw two others fishing in a week. Lots of little Brookies. Crystal clear feeder brooks. Didn’t crawl way up into the high country so can’t say about that, and the only water of any size is paralleled by the main park road. Lots of easy access but you are kind of in a fish bowl as half of New Jersey drives by. But again the fishing was great.  Seem to remember some interesting water back in off the Cade’s Cove area. Don’t know why you would need a guide, just decent maps. The town itself and "Dollywood" could use a good cleaning out with a flame thrower. A real indictment of private sector greed and Babbitry. Or on the positive thinking side, it "offers many entertaining and shopping adventures" for the non-fishers in your party.  The park itself is magnificent. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up. Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

        there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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[snip] I believe he also said that fishing with nymphs was the same as bait fishing, except without having to get your hands dirty. Got him in some kind of trouble, for sure. — Charlie…

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why do chicks dig jesus? (hold arms in shape of cross) Cause he’s hung like this  :) 12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] I believe he also said that fishing with nymphs was the same as bait fishing, except without having to get your hands dirty. Got him in some kind of trouble, for sure. — Charlie…

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12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen!

hey tom b.    don’t this ’splain alot –Wataugan Walt

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Remember to view New Testament accounts with skepticism.  Most of the witnesses to major events recorded there were fishermen! Al Soroka Vancouver, B.C.

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12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen! hey tom b.    don’t this ’splain alot –Wataugan Walt

Yep. Next, he’ll blame it on his friends and clientele. tb — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and wrong."   H.L. Mencken

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We already had some evidence. Albeit rather inconclusive. Quite a few of Georges

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I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Thanks for any help. Simon

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I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Thanks for any help. Simon

Check out the St Croix Imperial 4 pc 5/6 or 6/7. Either one will set you back $150 and well worth the price. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Yes.   Check out Fenwick.  I own a FF756-4 that’s 4 piece glass 6 weight.  Comes with a nice bag and case for $100.  but you might think about the GFS70ML-4 HMG graphite spin-fly rod at $115. Buena suerte, Lou Lampe

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Simon, I bought an 8wt from http://www.brazosflyfishers.com/ Lauren and her husband were wonderful at helping i the selection.  I highly recommend these nice folks. Cheers, Mitch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Thanks for any help. Simon

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What ever you decide, may I suggest that you cast the rod before buying. Having been at this game for 60 plus years, I still think that the biggest mistake that people make is buying by brand name rather than choosing the rod that complements their casting style. Best of luck. J.

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I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Thanks for any help. Simon

Hi, Not all the Cortland CL 4 piece rods cast well. The 8′ #4/5 with a #5 and the 8′6" #4/5 with a #5 both are pretty good for $110 with an aluminum tube. You might also try the 8′6" #5/6 with a #6 line. The 9′ #5/6 and the 9′ #6/7 are both pretty ‘cluby’ or ‘boardy’. St. Croix has some pretty good 4 piece rods at around $150. They come in 9′#5/6 and 9′#6/7 in 4 piece with a Cordura covered plastic tube. If you can get up to the $200 to $300 range, Sage, Loomis, Scott and T&T have some real great casting 3 and 4 piece rods that are lighter than the Cortland, St. Croix or Redington. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Thanks for any help. Simon

I recently bought a St. Croix Imperial 9′ 5/6 4pc rod and highly recommend it. It cost $150. Not sure how that compares to the price on the Cortland.

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I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these?

Fsihed a demo Redington Red Start 5/6 wgt yesterday – a great rod for the $$$. Rod, reel, line, backing & leader, plus jazzy hard case that holds rod w/mounted reel only $199 (with lifetime guarantee). My regular rod is a Sage,  but I liked the Redington a lot. Try one! Kent Edmonds Flyfishing West Georgia & Beyond http://kje.home.mindspring.com

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look at st croix. their imperial line has nice 4 pc rods for about $130. I’ve got a 4/5 which i like a lot, though it casts better as a 5 than a four. I’ve never had any problem taking it on planes either. gc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Fsihed a demo Redington Red Start 5/6 wgt yesterday – a great rod for the $$$. Rod, reel, line, backing & leader, plus jazzy hard case that holds rod w/mounted reel only $199 (with lifetime guarantee). My regular rod is a Sage,  but I liked the Redington a lot. Try one! Kent Edmonds Flyfishing West Georgia & Beyond http://kje.home.mindspring.com

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I own a Cortland and LOVE it . I have compared it to a Reddington and there is no comparison for the money,the Reddington is a cheap looking rod with the guides just tacked on , the cork looks bad , no winding check and so on . KW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these? Fsihed a demo Redington Red Start 5/6 wgt yesterday – a great rod for the $$$. Rod, reel, line, backing & leader, plus jazzy hard case that holds rod w/mounted reel only $199 (with lifetime guarantee). My regular rod is a Sage,  but I liked the Redington a lot. Try one! Kent Edmonds Flyfishing West Georgia & Beyond http://kje.home.mindspring.com

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I’m looking to buy an economical 4-piece 6 wt fly rod. Does anyone have recommendations? I see Cortland does one, the CL series. Does anyone have experience with these?

I recently was given a Redington 5wt 9′ and it is truly a great rod to work with light action and amazing to use.. it is like a divining rod in your hands learn to use it properly and you cannot go wrong plus the lifetime guarantee is another great part of the bargain, Pierre

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look at st croix. their imperial line has nice 4 pc rods for about $130. I’ve got a 4/5 which i like a lot, though it casts better as a 5 than a four. I’ve never had any problem taking it on planes either.

I recently looked at both the Redington RedStart and the St. Croix Imperial in a 5/6 weight at the local fly shop.  Went in with St. Croix as my intended choice because my current rod is a St. Croix Pro Graphite (operating on the principle of "My mind is made up – stop confusing me with facts" .  The guy in the shop encouraged me to cast both of ‘em using the same line & reel.  Wound up getting the Redington.  I found the Imperial was softer than I’m comfortable with, or conversely that I just liked the feel of the RedStart better.  I recommend that you cast at least a couple different rods before you make your choice.  Even if the rod you find you like best costs 20 bucks more, well…20 bucks isn’t much to pay to be happy, and it’s not much to have in your pocket if you’re not happy.  Your mileage may vary. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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I am planning a trip to fish some private section of Spruce Creek, PA in April.  Since I’m new to this area, I don’t know what to expect…conditions, hatches, etc.  Any info would be appreciated. Hal Goodrich

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I am planning a trip to fish some private section of Spruce Creek, PA in April.  Since I’m new to this area, I don’t know what to expect…conditions, hatches, etc.  Any info would be appreciated. Hal Goodrich

I think that Doug Swisher filmed some of his 3M videos on Spruce Creek. If you could rent or buy these videos they will give you some insight. Fly Fishing Strategies and Advanced Fly Fishing Strategies are the titles. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Just returned from the West Branch of the Ausable.  Your best bet is to stop in at Fran Better’s fly shop on Rt. 86 in Wilmington.  Last weekend he recommended a gray haystack dun and emerger as well as a Picket Finn.   Fishing was slow, but I managed to land a brookie and a few browns on those flies, which imitate the Isonychia.  Also saw lots of BWOs and both rusty and sulphur spinners in the evening.  Most of the action took place in the afternoon.

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I am looking for patterns to use on the Au sable river in NY state.   Any ideas, both dry and nymphs.  thanks. Luc Nocente — Luc Nocente

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan

told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie

I think I should look at St. Croix rods.

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: I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan : told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. : Croix.  What do yall think of that?? : Frankie : I think I should look at St. Croix rods. It’s possible. St. Croix makes blanks and rods for a lot ofpeople- I believe Cortland rods are almost identical- if not identical- to St. Croix rods. I own 3 St. Croixs, and they are, I think, a remarkable value. –mike

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie

 I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I do know that a couple years ago  I read that St Croix is the largest American fabricator of blanks and rods.  This includes fly, spinning, casting, trolling, ice, surf.  They make rods  for Cortland, Gander Mountain and I believe some of the low end Cabela’s and  Bean’s.  A fellow I met a few years ago had an 8′ 4wt Orvis Green Mountain that he  says he picked up as a second at the St. Croix outlet store.  As he told  the story, he took the rod back a few days later because of a minor problem  and they fixed it, but were very red-faced in that someone apparently made  a mistake by putting the rod out on their seconds display rack.  Apparently,  none of the Orvis rods were ever to be sold or seen in their store.

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie

I’m shocked!   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie

The basic techniques of rod building are common to all rod manufacturers. The differences lie in a) the design of the mandrel over which the rod blank is built. b) the choice of materials: the choice of resin, the grade of graphite etc.  It should be noted that none of the rod manufacturers make their own sheets of prepreg graphite. c) Fussiness.  Different brands are more or less stringent about what they call a second or a reject.  This is one of the major reasons why extremely light blanks are expensive; you have to pay for all the rejects as well as the one that made it out the door. d) Finish and fittings. Even if St Croix makes rods for Orvis, that does not mean that the other St Croix rods are equivalent to the Orvis ones.  It simply means that St Croix can be relied upon to follow Orvis’s instructions.  Remember, when you contract with someone to build rods on your mandrels, you debar them from using your mandrels for their own or for anyone else’s rods.  Remember also that there is no reason why St Croix should use the same materials or quality control standards for their own rods as for the Orvis rods.  If the Orvis standards drive up the unit cost, then St Croix will not be able to sell faux Orvis rods at a price that suits their market niche. None of the above indicates that there is necessarily anything wrong with St Croix’s rods.  It just shows that it is fallacious to conclude that different brands are the same just because they come out of the same factory. It was reported in another post that St Croix does not make PM10 rods. This rumour-cum-fact suggests that St Croix could not produce these rods at a competitive price.  On the other hand, maybe St Croix simply lacked the capacity to fill the demand. It is fun to share scuttlebut and to arch ones eyebrows, but rumours should not be taken too seriously.  There is no way any of us will ever find out about the details of design, material, or quality control that distinguish good rods from great rods. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie The basic techniques of rod building are common to all rod manufacturers. The differences lie in a) the design of the mandrel over which the rod blank is built. b) the choice of materials: the choice of resin, the grade of graphite etc.  It should be noted that none of the rod manufacturers make their own sheets of prepreg graphite. c) Fussiness.  Different brands are more or less stringent about what they call a second or a reject.  This is one of the major reasons why extremely light blanks are expensive; you have to pay for all the rejects as well as the one that made it out the door. d) Finish and fittings. Even if St Croix makes rods for Orvis, that does not mean that the other St Croix rods are equivalent to the Orvis ones.  It simply means that St Croix can be relied upon to follow Orvis’s instructions.  Remember, when you contract with someone to build rods on your mandrels, you debar them from using your mandrels for their own or for anyone else’s rods.  Remember also that there is no reason why St Croix should use the same materials or quality control standards for their own rods as for the Orvis rods.  If the Orvis standards drive up the unit cost, then St Croix will not be able to sell faux Orvis rods at a price that suits their market niche. None of the above indicates that there is necessarily anything wrong with St Croix’s rods.  It just shows that it is fallacious to conclude that different brands are the same just because they come out of the same factory. It was reported in another post that St Croix does not make PM10 rods. This rumour-cum-fact suggests that St Croix could not produce these rods at a competitive price.  On the other hand, maybe St Croix simply lacked the capacity to fill the demand. It is fun to share scuttlebut and to arch ones eyebrows, but rumours should not be taken too seriously.  There is no way any of us will ever find out about the details of design, material, or quality control that distinguish good rods from great rods.

Well there is one way. Line-up the rod, cast it.  If you like it buy it. It doesn’t matter if it was made by Fisher-Price.  A name brand does not add to ability but a good casting rod will.  Now I know that we all know this but it seems the subject keeps going back to the name on the rod instead of the quality of the rod.  Just my 2 cents. Tom

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie

Sounds great to me.  I’d like to pick up even an orvis-quality cane rod at a St.Croix price.  Ask your shopowner for a St. Croix Wes Jordan model  ;) Mark Vinsel Fly fishing therapy – get in touch with your inner geezer.

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that??

I’ve taken a tour of Orvis’ rod shop in Manchester. They may buy some blanks for St. Croix, but I’m not sure. It seems much more likely that they’re made in some sweat shop in Singapore than that they pay St. Croix for it. But I seem to remember watching sheets of graphite being rolled into blanks while I was there. It’s a pretty impressive operation. If you happen to be around Manchester and aren’t too much of an anti-Orvis bigot, it might be worth seeing if you can take a rod-shop tour. Watching them work on the cane rods is particularly interesting. Dave Guinee

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie snip It is fun to share scuttlebut and to arch ones eyebrows, but rumours should not be taken too seriously.  There is no way any of us will ever find out about the details of design, material, or quality control that distinguish good rods from great rods. Well there is one way. Line-up the rod, cast it.  If you like it buy it. It doesn’t matter if it was made by Fisher-Price.  A name brand does not add to ability but a good casting rod will.  Now I know that we all know this but it seems the subject keeps going back to the name on the rod instead of the quality of the rod.  Just my 2 cents. Tom

True enough, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.  My point was that we do not have access to the pudding’s recipe. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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I don’t know if it is true, but a very reputable fly-shop in Manhattan told me that Orvis rods, with the exception of the PM10’s are made by St. Croix.  What do yall think of that?? Frankie I’m shocked!

But, guess what- It’s true !

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Does anyone know of a fishing expo in the NYC area. A friend of mine said there is one comming to boston. Just curious if it would make it to NYC, it would save me a road trip. Thanks, DAVE — Dave Blizard "Pork, the other white meat."

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There is a Fly Fishing Only show the second satruday in March in White Plains, NY by the Theodore Fly Fishers.  It’s a really great show done with style.  Not too crowded as you would expect at the Suffern Show. Have fun!

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