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Fly fishing woman wanted…. I’m a 41, slim, intelligent  (I hope) Australian male, who’s gainfully employed, passionate about life, the universe, travel & fly fishing. You – hopefully similar to the above & relax – no need to know how to scale or gut fish, as I let them go to catch another day.

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Fly fishing woman wanted….

Well, best of luck to ya, mate — but if anybody offers to meet with you while wearing a pink satan evening gown, run like hell… In the meantime, you might want to do a Google search for Angie the Fishing Goddess. Kevin, Roffian matchmaker

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Thank you Kevin Pink’s never been my favourite color anyway

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fly fishing woman wanted…. Well, best of luck to ya, mate — but if anybody offers to meet with you while wearing a pink satan evening gown, run like hell… In the meantime, you might want to do a Google search for Angie the Fishing Goddess. Kevin, Roffian matchmaker

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In the meantime, you might want to do a Google search for Angie the Fishing Goddess.

She’s married and having a baby. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Fly fishing woman wanted…. I’m a 41, slim, intelligent  (I hope) Australian male, who’s gainfully employed, passionate about life, the universe, travel & fly fishing. You – hopefully similar to the above & relax – no need to know how to scale or gut fish, as I let them go to catch another day.

You forgot "Send picture of rod"…;-) Wish You luck, having a partner with the same interest would make life a lot easier, trust me… (are You going fishing again…, I never get out anything…) Stefan

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In the meantime, you might want to do a Google search for Angie the Fishing Goddess. She’s married and having a baby.

She has friends! — I fly fish so therefore I am.

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Make sure she will clean the fish! — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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She’s married and having a baby.

Orvis Boy?

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Orvis Boy?

Yep. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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To the tune of "Way down upon the Swanee river" <bastard rod rendition snipped only for the sake of brevity

Mike, you never cease to amaze me. Imagine, a Brit, who resides in Germany, writing a tune to mimic my native states revered and favored song by the nineteenth century American songwriter, Stephen Foster. obroff: The Suwanee River originates in Southern Georgia in the Okeefenokee Swamp. It slowly meanders down into Florida where many beautiful aquifer fed springs pump many more gallons of pure clear water into it diluting the tannic nature from the great Georgia swamp. It eventually flows into the Gulf of Mexico. It is a wonderful fishery and even supports a protected sturgeon population. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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One of the greatest and most haunting tunes ever written. My favourite banjo song. Obroff:  When flyfishing for pike the worn out top string of a banjo makes an excellent leader tippet, although silk wound mandolin strings are even better. TL MC

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My favorite is Dueling Banjo’s. Ernie Harrison

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One of the greatest and most haunting tunes ever written. My favourite banjo song. <snip

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Important revision after reading through !!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So think of this when you cast your Bastard, what one man may achieve, with hope and guts and a little bit of money, the fruits you now perceive, no matter what the world may say about it, one really must admire, the drive and guts and hard determination, to be a Bastard sire ! Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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To the tune of "Way down upon the Swanee river" Way down upon the old Snake river, one fine summer day, a dare was accepted there to build a bastard, and George set out to find a way, a first class rod of noble  lineage, the most perfect Bastard known, even dark ones would be made to order, on a brand new mill at home. The first attempts were fraught with problems, getting the right Bamboo, but this barrier was soon surmounted, and he set out to search for glue, the glue was found, and it was brilliant, so he carried on the scheme, the first few rods were not quite his standard, marred by the odd glue seam. A couple of butts were the first real station, on his lonesome road, the tips were harder, but he shouldered the burden, of his heavy load, a new mill head was then invented, and the tips at last took form, a wrapping machine, and several incidentals, took the rodbuilding world by storm The way was hard, and seemingly unending, but the target is now in sight, a good cane rod for just a few poor dollars, maybe George was really right, all those who scoffed and his plan derided, are now feeling rather small, He came he saw he boasted of his prowess, and now he

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<Ahem Not to mention what else might be a "red light" special…considering the idea of a "red light district"….. Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Trish,  the other Kathy here (the horsey one I think!) Glad to hear about your printer victory!  I had to laugh though cause here in K-Mart they have "blue light specials" not RED light! Isn’t that funny!  Just like the show ribbons…we get blue for first place, so I guess they think *blue* on the specials! I wish someone would *throw* printer ink cartridges at me….please? Kathy in NC (but not the other one…<BG) 8-D

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Trish, just the ink cartridges are a treasure!  Those things are expensive and always run out at the wrong moment (in the middle of an intricate XS pattern).  For my color printer (Canon) they’re almost $30 each. Can I come hang around you for a while?  Maybe some of it will rub off. …Pam in Dallas (plus, it’s really hot here) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -There was a Lexmark 1100 *colour* printer reduced from $150 to $120. As DH approached, the saleslady reduced it again by half!!! So he fell upon it, trying hard not to get drool on everyone around him. As he approached the checkout, the saleslady caught up with him and tossed in three (two colour and a black) ink cartridges. *HOW ‘BOUT THAT???* So, today, we’ve been having a printfest on our sexy new printer! Life is sweet, isn’t it? Trish {|:OI} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

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Life is sweet, isn’t it?

Ain’t it just! Kathy — Counted Cross Stitch, Needlework and Stitchery Page | do with infinity and    <http://www.dnai.com/~kdyer/                    | jelly doughnuts."

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<snipt So, today, we’ve been having a printfest on our sexy new printer! Life is sweet, isn’t it? Run, do not walk, to your local lottery agent.  :-) Great news.  Couldn’t happen to nicer people. Mike

Michael, my love, is your *real* name ‘Lucky Seven’??? Trish {|:OI} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kathy, Kathy! Me too! There must be something in the air! (Erm… hang on, your air is not the same as my air…) Our printer died last month. We were really depressed, because it meant that DH couldn’t print out his assignments here at home, but had to travel to the University to do it. And of course I couldn’t print out my XS patterns or anything either. Yesterday, DH met his brother at KMart and they went looking for birthday presents for their respective DDs. The red light special was announced, so DH *shot* to the clearance trolley (as is his wont: *no-one* has a nose for a bargain like my Hunn). There was a Lexmark 1100 *colour* printer reduced from $150 to $120. As DH approached, the saleslady reduced it again by half!!! So he fell upon it, trying hard not to get drool on everyone around him. As he approached the checkout, the saleslady caught up with him and tossed in three (two colour and a black) ink cartridges. *HOW ‘BOUT THAT???* So, today, we’ve been having a printfest on our sexy new printer! Life is sweet, isn’t it? Trish {|:OI} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Hi Trish,  the other Kathy here (the horsey one I think!) Glad to hear about your printer victory!  I had to laugh though cause here in K-Mart they have "blue light specials" not RED light! Isn’t that funny!  Just like the show ribbons…we get blue for first place, so I guess they think *blue* on the specials! I wish someone would *throw* printer ink cartridges at me….please? Kathy in NC (but not the other one…<BG) 8-D

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Kreinik blending filament and cord for $.34 a spool!! Yes, 34 cents!  I

LOL. I discovered, while on our honeymoon in California, that a wonderful place to find Kreinik blending filament and ribbon is at the local fishing/fly shops. I picked up a spool of copper ribbon for about $0.30 at The Fly Shop in CA. (I only got the one because they only had ribbon…. and I mainly wanted it for the "Fly-Tying Ribbon" cardboard backer. :::grin:::) –Kris WIPs: My first hardanger project! Janelle Marie’s "Lunar Harvest" MLI’s "Once Upon a Time" TW’s "Noah’s Ark Sampler" Stamped hummingbird pillowcases Blackwork Chatelaine & Accessories

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(snip) Kreinik blending filament and cord for $.34 a spool!! Yes, 34 cents!  I grabbed one of every color/type there and, clutching my hard won loot, battled my way back to safety. Fourteen spools in all for $4.76 plus tax! Whoooo heee!!!!

Kathy, Who says the good don’t get rewarded! You deserve every spool.   Jane

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Last night, I stopped by my favorite Chinese restaurant and ordered dinner to go.  There was a 20 minute wait, so I wandered down a couple of doors to a craft store called Richards (somewhat like a small version of Michaels).  I am fortunate to have an excellent LNS (Dutch Treat Needlecraft), so I rarely visit the craft store. Richards has a clearance aisle waaaay at the back of the store.  It looked as if a small tornado had gone through it.  The floor was covered with spilled merchandise.  But I saw something gleaming about halfway down the aisle, so in my best Indiana Jones manner I fought my way through the traps and…GASP…Treasure!!! Kreinik blending filament and cord for $.34 a spool!! Yes, 34 cents!  I grabbed one of every color/type there and, clutching my hard won loot, battled my way back to safety. Fourteen spools in all for $4.76 plus tax! Whoooo heee!!!! Kathy

Kathy, Kathy! Me too! There must be something in the air! (Erm… hang on, your air is not the same as my air…) Our printer died last month. We were really depressed, because it meant that DH couldn’t print out his assignments here at home, but had to travel to the University to do it. And of course I couldn’t print out my XS patterns or anything either. Yesterday, DH met his brother at KMart and they went looking for birthday presents for their respective DDs. The red light special was announced, so DH *shot* to the clearance trolley (as is his wont: *no-one* has a nose for a bargain like my Hunn). There was a Lexmark 1100 *colour* printer reduced from $150 to $120. As DH approached, the saleslady reduced it again by half!!! So he fell upon it, trying hard not to get drool on everyone around him. As he approached the checkout, the saleslady caught up with him and tossed in three (two colour and a black) ink cartridges. *HOW ‘BOUT THAT???* So, today, we’ve been having a printfest on our sexy new printer! Life is sweet, isn’t it? Trish {|:OI} Newcastle, NSW, Australia

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last night, I stopped by my favorite Chinese restaurant and ordered dinner to go.  There was a 20 minute wait, so I wandered down a couple of doors to a craft store called Richards (somewhat like a small version of Michaels).  I am fortunate to have an excellent LNS (Dutch Treat Needlecraft), so I rarely visit the craft store. Richards has a clearance aisle waaaay at the back of the store.  It looked as if a small tornado had gone through it.  The floor was covered with spilled merchandise.  But I saw something gleaming about halfway down the aisle, so in my best Indiana Jones manner I fought my way through the traps and…GASP…Treasure!!! Kreinik blending filament and cord for $.34 a spool!! Yes, 34 cents!  I grabbed one of every color/type there and, clutching my hard won loot, battled my way back to safety. Fourteen spools in all for $4.76 plus tax! Whoooo heee!!!! Kathy — Counted Cross Stitch, Needlework and Stitchery Page | do with infinity and    <http://www.dnai.com/~kdyer/                    | jelly doughnuts."

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Last night, I stopped by my favorite Chinese restaurant and ordered dinner to go.  There was a 20 minute wait, so I wandered down a couple of doors to a craft store called Richards (somewhat like a small version of Michaels).  I am fortunate to have an excellent LNS (Dutch Treat Needlecraft), so I rarely visit the craft store. Richards has a clearance aisle waaaay at the back of the store.  It looked as if a small tornado had gone through it.  The floor was covered with spilled merchandise.  But I saw something gleaming about halfway down the aisle, so in my best Indiana Jones manner I fought my way through the traps and…GASP…Treasure!!! Kreinik blending filament and cord for $.34 a spool!! Yes, 34 cents!  I grabbed one of every color/type there and, clutching my hard won loot, battled my way back to safety. Fourteen spools in all for $4.76 plus tax! Whoooo heee!!!! Kathy — Counted Cross Stitch, Needlework and Stitchery Page | do with infinity and    <http://www.dnai.com/~kdyer/                    | jelly doughnuts."

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   Ok folks, tommorow will be a one day snapshot of flyfishing accross the globe, all to be posted here for the world to enjoy.  I will not be anywhere near a computer until Monday morning, so let’s decide what the header will be for our results so they’re all in one thread.  I know some participants may post over the weekend, so for simplicity’s sake, let’s call it Fishing Day Results.  Yes?  No?    I’ll be heading up to some high desert lakes myself, feeling pretty good about the prospects.  We’ll see on Monday! JE

And for those who can’t fish tomorrow, Sunday the 18th will automatically be deleted and the 17th will carry over for another 24 hours. Big Al

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   Ok folks, tommorow will be a one day snapshot of flyfishing accross the globe, all to be posted here for the world to enjoy.  I will not be anywhere near a computer until Monday morning, so let’s decide what the header will be for our results so they’re all in one thread.  I know some participants may post over the weekend, so for simplicity’s sake, let’s call it Fishing Day Results.  Yes?  No?    I’ll be heading up to some high desert lakes myself, feeling pretty good about the prospects.  We’ll see on Monday! JE

Lucky b—-r, I’ll  be stuck battling a fibreglas hatch on the Credit. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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    Ok folks, tommorow will be a one day snapshot of flyfishing accross the globe, all to be posted here for the world to enjoy.  I will not be anywhere near a computer until Monday morning, so let’s decide what the header will be for our results so they’re all in one thread.  I know some participants may post over the weekend, so for simplicity’s sake, let’s call it Fishing Day Results.  Yes?  No?     I’ll be heading up to some high desert lakes myself, feeling pretty good about the prospects.  We’ll see on Monday! JE

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Don’t piss off a lawyer true….make a pile of at least 4 or 5 of them first. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

        et tu, brute? wayno, learning to lighten up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name".

Yup – that’s my next step. I’d hoped that it wouldn’t come to that – as we all know how tangential threads run around here – and I might miss something good by flushing by threads ;^) Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for filtering

Nope – that won’t fly. First, who wants to be "moderator" of this group? (not me, that’s fer damn sure) Second, it’d be a thankless job – fraught with second-guessing (surely a "damned if you do/damned if you don’t" function). Beyond that, the group is full of people that are using various newsreaders that don’t provide filtering (includes most of MickeySoft’s newsreaders, older versions of Netscape, and whatever it is that AOL forces on its clients). The easiest thing to do for those who use readers sans filtering abilities is to manually SET MODE IGNORE. /daytripper

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  The olive branch is certainly appreciated.  If you read my post to Mr. G and Mr. Connor, I think you’ll see that I recognize the same phenomenon you do.  Furthermore, one of the problems of electronic communications is that participants are not able to actually see how one speaks his words, unable to interpret the non-verbal communication that accompanies pure language. If I swaggered into your imaginary bar and said (to use your words) "what a bunch of silly children!  i came here expecting something different, something that suits *me*; but you drivel-spouting morons aren’t what i was looking for!  and besides, you don’t wear clothes that are universally neat and tidy!" if I said that with a big old grin and a wink, and then bought you all a drink, the reaction might likely be different.     I would like to continue to point out, however, that this is not and never has been about suiting *me* or my *ideal*.   Honestly, that’s rather overstating the case–but I’m beginning to understand that you’re a lawyer, and so I’ll forgive the tendency.  I have been listening in here for a few weeks, and when I’ve had something to add, I’ve added it.  You guys haven’t noticed for whatever reasons.  I would not have peeped my peep, were it not for the fact that I saw others identifying the same gripe.  It struck me as a legitimate gripe.  On my server, this is my only option for a fly-fishing newsgroup.  Seemed reasonable that folks could try to be reasonable in terms of wasting each other’s time.  As I said to Mr. Connor yesterday, the "dog" point of attack suddenly shifted from "don’t read the posts you don’t like" to "geez, the threads are sometimes interwoven, deal with it," which, I mean, you’re a lawyer, you’ve seen this before–doesn’t a sudden switch in logic generally indicate the implicit recognition that the frontline logic isn’t holding up so well?  And the things is, the problem is one that’s really easy to fix.   Really simple.  You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.  So why not fix it?     I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly.

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<<I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. I am still waiting for  one of his promises from 1992 – a middle-class tax cut..  In the last SOU he promises everyone something.  Typical Clinton. Dave LaCourse

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rw wrote I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan. Right. History sure remembers those Republicans who failed to convict Johnson warmly. As if!

Yes.  History remembers what people did with their political power.  My point exactly.  Thanks. The Republicans you refer to are remembered for their vindictiveness.  They used their power to punish the South and thereby extended regional enmity and all of its ramifications far beyond the end of the war.  So history doesn’t paint them very kindly.  (I am sure some of you boys out there from the South can wax rhapsodically on this subject for hours!) How ironic that the current crop of Republicans is behaving so like their forebears and likely will reap the same reward from history.  Hmmm…I don’t know the makeup of the Repubs that are really driving this whole thing to the wall, but aren’t they Southern Republicans??? …. Doubly ironic if true. Not only that.  When all is said and done, history is once again going to laud the genius of the "Framers" who had the foresight to require a 2/3 vote for removing the president from office, thereby insuring that a vindictive ‘Minority’ party, that temporarily enjoys a majority in the congress, could not overturn the will of the people. Man.  If your a Repub, that’s gotta hurt. —                                                       -dnc-

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DavPLaC wrote <<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan. —                                                       -dnc-

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<<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

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I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan.

Right. History sure remembers those Republicans who failed to convict Johnson warmly. As if! — something bogus to avoid spam)

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<<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

Would you care to place a bet on whether Clinton will be convicted of one of these "crimes" after he leaves office? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G wrote I notice of late that you have been promoting the need for one, and in a way that implies you have one.  I’m sure you do, I just hope it’s in full gear when the Senate decides not to remove you know who from office. By the way, I bit on your $10 bet that the Senate would remove him (IOW, my money is on the Senate NOT removing him)

Sounds like a solid bet to me. Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. The voters will remember, just like they remembered about the Republicans shutting down the government. The Democrats will make sure they remember. There will be hell to pay. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. Conservative Republican Congressmen from southern states?

Oops. That should be "conservative" in quotes, because they very clearly have no interest whatsoever in conservation, especially when it conflicts with the profits of their fat-cat special-interest sugar-daddy campaign contributors. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong.

Conservative Republican Congressmen from southern states? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G wrote

I notice of late that you have been promoting the need for one, and in a way that implies you have one.  I’m sure you do, I just hope it’s in full gear when the Senate decides not to remove you know who from office. By the way, I bit on your $10 bet that the Senate would remove him (IOW, my money is on the Senate NOT removing him) ….and double twitch   —                                                       -dnc-

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. I hate censorship in all of it’s nasty forms. An occasional commercial spam or a demo spam is ok with me, it provides a few chuckles. If some of you roffians want a moderated group, simply go start one. ROFF is the land of the FREE. –Wataugan Walt

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0] : You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out : his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band : width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name". : Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of : etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will : simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will : filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject : name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for : filtering : Ernie Harrison.. Hey Ernie a standard message has been floating around for awhile. This is it below. With a little editing in could be made ROFF specific  Dear   [ ] sir      [ ] clueless one  [ ] twit          [ ] great man on campus   [ ] madam    [ ] dweeb         [ ] twerp         [ ] comrade   [ ] Elvis    [ ] moon beam     [ ] boor          [ ] Obergruppenfuehrer   [ ] citoyen  [ ] Geek          [ ] grad student  [ ] cur  You are being gently flamed because.   [ ] you continued a boring useless stupid thread   [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to   [ ] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads   [ ] you posted a piece riddled with profanities   [ ] you advocated Net censorship   [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps)   [ ] you posted some sort of crap that doesn’t belong in this group   [ ] you posted the inanely stupid ‘Make Money Fast’ article   [ ] you threatened others with physical harm   [ ] you made a bigoted statement(s)   [ ] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority   [ ] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve   [ ] you repeatedly shown lack of humor   [ ] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat   [ ] you are posting an anonymous attack Get a life. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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 The olive branch is certainly appreciated.  If you read my post to Mr. G and Mr. Connor, I think you’ll see that I recognize the same phenomenon you do.  Furthermore, one of the problems of electronic communications is that participants are not able to actually see how one speaks his words, unable to interpret the non-verbal communication that accompanies pure language.

        i am in complete accord with your assessment of some of the problems of this unique sort of communication. If I swaggered into your imaginary bar and said (to use your words) "what a bunch of silly children!  i came here expecting something different, something that suits *me*; but you drivel-spouting morons aren’t what i was looking for!  and besides, you don’t wear clothes that are universally neat and tidy!" if I said that with a big old grin and a wink, and then bought you all a drink, the reaction might likely be different.

        that’s a close call, jeff.  the key is having come to *know* you.  I would like to continue to point out, however, that this is not and never has been about suiting *me* or my *ideal*.   Honestly, that’s rather overstating the case–but I’m beginning to understand that you’re a lawyer, and so I’ll forgive the tendency.

        so far, i have noted two posts that clearly cheered your approach and content.  but i grant you that there may be others out there who are frustrated by the inability of some of us to remain so deadly serious, and boring.  I have been listening in here for a few weeks, and when I’ve had something to add, I’ve added it.  You guys haven’t noticed for whatever reasons.

probably because many of us just don’t want to confine our discussions to the latest method of double hauling, or our last trip to christmas island, or what is the hot setup for flats shirts, or how to fish a ten foot wide stream.  or, we just weren’t interested.  not saying that those were the subject matter of your posts, of course; there i go, "overstating my case" again.   I would not have peeped my peep, were it not for the fact that I saw others identifying the same gripe.  It struck me as a legitimate gripe.  On my server, this is my only option for a fly-fishing newsgroup.  Seemed reasonable that folks could try to be reasonable in terms of wasting each other’s time.  As I said to Mr. Connor yesterday, the "dog" point of attack suddenly shifted from "don’t read the posts you don’t like" to "geez, the threads are sometimes interwoven, deal with it," which, I mean, you’re a lawyer, you’ve seen this before–doesn’t a sudden switch in logic generally indicate the implicit recognition that the frontline logic isn’t holding up so well?

not relevant.  this isn’t a problem in logic, or a legal argument.  it is about manners, and expectations.  And the things is, the problem is one that’s really easy to fix.   Really simple.  You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.  So why not fix it?    I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly.

i have already begun to function in that fashion.  you may find many others more difficult to persuade.  but i am pleased that you understand that we welcome anyone as a participant in this group.  you will be treated very close to the way in which you treat others.  many folks who were wary about me, and me about them, six months ago, are now close cyberfriends.  be patient.  good to have you,. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.

        i like the "find his mommy" approach.  this may be a job for (unspeakable name). wayno the deadly serious – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Just as a point of clarification, Microsoft’s Outlook Express does provide filtering…it’s just hard to find. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced to find the facility lately. Check under Tools on the menu…select Newsgroup Filters… Hope this helps! –Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name". Yup – that’s my next step. I’d hoped that it wouldn’t come to that – as we all know how tangential threads run around here – and I might miss something good by flushing by threads ;^) Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for filtering Nope – that won’t fly. First, who wants to be "moderator" of this group? (not me, that’s fer damn sure) Second, it’d be a thankless job – fraught with second-guessing (surely a "damned if you do/damned if you don’t" function). Beyond that, the group is full of people that are using various newsreaders that don’t provide filtering (includes most of MickeySoft’s newsreaders, older versions of Netscape, and whatever it is that AOL forces on its clients). The easiest thing to do for those who use readers sans filtering abilities is to manually SET MODE IGNORE. /daytripper

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 I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly. i have already begun to function in that fashion.  you may find many others more difficult to persuade.  but i am pleased that you understand that we welcome anyone as a participant in this group.  you will be treated very close to the way in which you treat others.  many folks who were wary about me, and me about them, six months ago, are now close cyberfriends.  be patient.  good to have you,. wayno

DUCK! —

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This is a skins game.  .50 each per hole.  If we have four or eight players, the first hole is going to be worth 4 Bucks man! Where is your sense of adventure?  The third  hole could be worth $12 dollars!  Why, that is enough to take us out to dinner in North Carolina and I mean . . . everyone! Bring the Pings!  Otherwise we will have to kill you.

I think I’ll take that afternoon off and go nutball huntin’, that’s a million bucks right there<g. — Charlie…

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know how to kibbitz Wayno, you’re hired for half my winnings! George, I teach high performance and pursuit driving to cops.  I  don’t know whether you’d want to be in a golf cart with me. <g  But I can kibbitz.  Sounds like fun. Dave Dave LaCourse

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Oh boy, hog jowls and boiled parsnips. — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a skins game.  .50 each per hole.  If we have four or eight players, the first hole is going to be worth 4 Bucks man! Where is your sense of adventure?  The third  hole could be worth $12 dollars!  Why, that is enough to take us out to dinner in North Carolina and I mean . . . everyone!

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Oh boy, hog jowls and boiled parsnips.

It’s an acquired taste<g. — Charlie…

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Nothing is tastier than Carolina pork barbecue. I’ll have mine with collard greens. Can’t get either up here.. Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh boy, hog jowls and boiled parsnips. — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh This is a skins game.  .50 each per hole.  If we have four or eight players, the first hole is going to be worth 4 Bucks man! Where is your sense of adventure?  The third  hole could be worth $12 dollars!  Why, that is enough to take us out to dinner in North Carolina and I mean . . . everyone!

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How long does it take to acquire it Charlie? — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh boy, hog jowls and boiled parsnips. It’s an acquired taste<g. — Charlie…

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How long does it take to acquire it Charlie?

Don’t know, not quite there yet<g. On the other hand, meat from the jowls is probably pretty good; if you’ve ever eaten canned chili or stew you have had ‘cheek meat’ from cattle. I worked for a while at a slaughter house in the 60’s when I was in college and you might be surprised what’s in your favorite snack<G. — Charlie…

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How long does it take to acquire it Charlie? Don’t know, not quite there yet<g. On the other hand, meat from the jowls is probably pretty good; if you’ve ever eaten canned chili or stew you have had ‘cheek meat’ from cattle. I worked for a while at a slaughter house in the 60’s when I was in college and you might be surprised what’s in your favorite snack<G. — Charlie…

chili cook-off’ because it so happens, no one makes a better bowl of chili then I do.  They might be ‘almost’ as wonderful, but certainly, not what the Gods of Gink know is an absolute delight.  Hum?  "The Great Gods of Gink Chili-Cook-Off?" Anyhow, I can make a big pot of Gink’s Chili AND "Gink-Dip"  (if you’re laughing Walt I’m going to smack you) which we take with us as a special treat and surprise on our Fly Fishing Float Trips.  Gink Dip is most certainly the "Super Snack" every outdoorsman should know about if they’re looking for something nice and different.  Gink Dip is an invention of mine geared around "White Tuna" and is note enjoyed with a fork but rather with crackers and a refreshment.  Saltines are a favorite. Talk about what might surprise you . . . George —

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Going to fish the Upper Kern River (between Kernville and Johnsondale) in California over Thanksgiving.  I have never fished this water before and would appreciate any suggestions regarding fly patterns and fishing locations. Thanks in advance, Kirk

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Kirk, Every Thanksgiving I go over the hill and through the woods to my Grandmother’s house in Lake Isabella.  And I always try to do a little fishing on the Kern while I’m there.  I find it to be pretty tough fishing at that time of year and I have yet to discover what pattern works and what the best place to fish is in the section of the river you’ll be fishing. There’s a fly shop in Kernville where the road crossing the river T’s into north/south route that parallels the river on its eastern side.  You might try dropping in there for info. Generally, I have had better luck by hiking in a couple miles above the Johnsondale bridge and working my way upstream from there.  You might try a dry they call the "Kern Special" in the store I mentioned above.  It’s basically a royal wulff but with a green waist instead of a red one. —                                                       -dnc- KIRK BANNERMAN wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to fish the Upper Kern River (between Kernville and Johnsondale) in California over Thanksgiving.  …

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what a co-inky-dink! California FlyFisher (Oct 98) has an article on this stretch of water! Might want to pick up a copy B4U go. Larry #:)#

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Your pal, George —

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Nope. Not ever. At least not as long as you and I and other good Americans Romanticist Gentlemen have a pulse, a synapse, a keyboard and an ISP. You Go George. You’ve done more for flyfishing than the rest of us turkeys combined will ever do and they would do well to remember this. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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TWalker: (speaking to George G.) <<You’ve done more for flyfishing than the rest of us turkeys combined will ever do and they would do well to remember this. But, will they?  I doubt it like hell. Dave LaCourse

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TWalker: (speaking to George G.) You’ve done more for flyfishing than the rest of us turkeys combined will ever do and they would do well to remember this. But, will they?  I doubt it like hell.

Tim, Dave, and yes, you too, George, here’s the thing: while I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says about it, I – and I suspect that most everyone else that frequents this group – respect George’s experience and knowledge about *flyfishing*. It’s the rest of the wild-eyed, off-topic, bilious rantings that George has the prediliction to post here that many (if not most) of us resent and have no respect for, and which detract from George’s overall "Esteem Index". George doesn’t need to be "PC" – but certainly he needs to learn not to blow a hole in his own foot when shooting his mouth off in public. When he went on a bender and used this forum to trash Canadians, for example, the fallout from that markedly diminished the respect people here might otherwise have had for his flyfishing experience. And those of us who remember his first few weeks on ROFF will never be able to separate those lunatic tirades from "the rest of George". As I’ve said before, George is clearly his own worst enemy. George is clearly an intelligent human being who in spite of his years hasn’t quite gotten the Big Picture yet. In his favor, there’s still time and hope… /dave

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Very well put, and correct.  Having done something positive in the past does not necessarily mean you can then do a lot of negative things with impunity, much less expect your well earned respect for the positive aspects to be maintained by others in the face of sometimes almost overwhelming negatives. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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ugliest bearing remnant or piston rod (or maybe the alarm buzzer?) on the little display shelf that I call "The Chamber of Horrors."  It includes

At my house I call it the  "Hall of Shame" Iam gonna have it rebuildt. My first adventure will be  the trip back up river. I hope.. What kind of warrenty do you get on a rebuild? d mac

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Yes, a humorous (to us!) post about a sad time, and we’ve all had them, but there is usually a valuable lesson-learned in any marine mishap, even on a small boat, and I found a good one buried in this one:  insure that critial alarms are audible or install remotes that will be.  Not to mention the other L RE-learned, that could’ve been more tragic in a river current: ground tackle is safety equipment!  Always know the water depths you’ll be traversing in advance (er, read a chart), and have sufficient scope (5 – 7 x depth) aboard & at the ready. Motor bearings, etc. are likely fried.  I’d fix it anyway, and put the ugliest bearing remnant or piston rod (or maybe the alarm buzzer?) on the little display shelf that I call "The Chamber of Horrors."  It includes such conversational items as a badly broken motorcycle helmet that came off my own head, a bolt fragment from inside a low suction valve bonnet that kept a chemical tanker in drydock for 3 extra days at a charter loss of millions, a stellite steam turbine blade that not only made it through the casing but pierced a forced-draft blower housing several stories higher, a peephole fitting that got buried in my fireman’s forehead (didn’t purge the furnace B4 lighting off after 38 years in the fireroom), the ring from my first marriage, and the empty envelope from the personal Christmas card Larry River$ painted for me that I accidently threw into the stove.

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Fix the engine, and do the trip again to proof your wife wrong.  Just joking, but I will do the trip over myself.

Ha good point, I will finish it someday. d mac

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I have no idea whats wrong but enjoyed reading your story….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well for the last week of kids being out of school had a trip planned. Mini vacation, money tight end of summer one last cheap trip. I keep my boat at Paris Landing Tenn , stayed there a few nights and sat morning had planned for me wife 2 kids to go 50 miles to Toms creek on Tenn river to meet friends and there kids and stay  there 2 days and come back SUN…. Wife told me dont do it lets drive we know we will get there ..yang, yang, yang ect ect…… Nope Iam ready for a TRIP family time.. BOAT is a 86 28′Harris Pontoon  w/86 115 Johnson, OIL INJECTED  2nd owner, I have had 3 years nver gone anywere serviced once a year only used it once this year as in go for day. BOAT is slip kept.. 8AM SAt we take off have extra battery, cable, chart maps my 2 12 gallon tanks 20 more gallons of gas, oil reservier is FULL.. food, suit cases lots of cold beer for when I get there with my pardner , wives are good friends me and RON will kick back…. Off we go. Iam thinking hell Iam MANLY kinda guy looking for ADVENTURE!! Iam figurein  about a 3 hr trip running from 20 to 25mph.. ran my first tank out abouit a hour, was following bouys running red up river,things going good had a neat chart maps by TVA showe my marking ect.. I ran out of 1st tank of gas after about a hour changed to full tank 10 min later let son drive, he does fine 10 min later there is a CLANKing knocking nose, could tell motor was missing I started driving Talk about your a STUBBORN asshole  I TOLD YOU SO look from my wife….. I didn’t hear beeping nose(oiler beeps when not working)… no smoke , steam , smell… I cut off motor took off cover. I saw a cracked small hose that outlet that pumps water from engine to side of motor that lets you know water pump is working. I cut off bad hose pout back, this had nothing to do with problem. Engin was hot to touch.. well here I was with family floating Tenn River nobody around. what should I do? Just passed a god I know 3 wide 10 deep barge heading my way a few miles ago water dept is 40 feet in channel. My anchor ropw is 25..  I started motor back up, it was clanging more I could go forward just went slow. Fisherman came by I flagged him down he stopped, He asked me about oil told him it was 1/2 full. I cranked again he said its fixing to LOCK UP.. i shut if off.. let it cool cranked it again it just bumped didnt turn over.. HMmmm not good… we talked then I asked him the big one how far is closest mechinac.."About 5 miles that way,, I had a phone called info got marina "NOPE no one here  or gonna be here today but me" talk about being in  JAM… I told fisherman ID sure pay ya if you can tow me in… he had a RANGER 150  he said, "Ive been in your shoes before, you gotta rope?"  There is a GOD!! these fellow could have said see ya dont wanna be ya..  These  2 guys towed us a few miles told us  they had to stop saw fish in finder. They started fishing got into a mess of stripes, they cought 10 stripes it was great, wife and kids got a kick out of that… called folks we were on they were hour away they were on their way. When we got to dock and in slip I had $50 in my  hand and asked how much and the guy said "nothing the man didnt charge me anything and you just pass it on" I said please take this let me buy your lunch, take these 20 gallons of gas its not gonna do me any good. NOPE he didnt want nothing.. Well friends came picked us up (he to told me it was dumb to make the trip, so I HAD to listen to his remarks and rightfully so, I had screwed up his day driveing. We left boat over night, called had a friend pick up my trailor meet me there on SUN we picked it up now its in back yard.. END of story I had OIL in reseror tank, my water pump impeller replaced last year with cover off I can turn fly wheel about 4 turns and will turn  when starting but will come to stop and then will only bump unless your turn with had but will again come to stop and go no futher… Gonna have checked out, what ya think it is. Do I fix this motor or is it to OLD (86 Johnson 115) what could it be. d mac Tennessee

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Sorry to hear your story.  Really sad, but at least you are ok. Fix the engine, and do the trip again to proof your wife wrong.  Just joking, but I will do the trip over myself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well for the last week of kids being out of school had a trip planned. Mini vacation, money tight end of summer one last cheap trip. I keep my boat at Paris Landing Tenn , stayed there a few

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Well for the last week of kids being out of school had a trip planned. Mini vacation, money tight end of summer one last cheap trip. I keep my boat at Paris Landing Tenn , stayed there a few nights and sat morning had planned for me wife 2 kids to go 50 miles to Toms creek on Tenn river to meet friends and there kids and stay  there 2 days and come back SUN…. Wife told me dont do it lets drive we know we will get there ..yang, yang, yang ect ect…… Nope Iam ready for a TRIP family time.. BOAT is a 86 28′Harris Pontoon  w/86 115 Johnson, OIL INJECTED  2nd owner, I have had 3 years nver gone anywere serviced once a year only used it once this year as in go for day. BOAT is slip kept.. 8AM SAt we take off have extra battery, cable, chart maps my 2 12 gallon tanks 20 more gallons of gas, oil reservier is FULL.. food, suit cases lots of cold beer for when I get there with my pardner , wives are good friends me and RON will kick back…. Off we go. Iam thinking hell Iam MANLY kinda guy looking for ADVENTURE!! Iam figurein  about a 3 hr trip running from 20 to 25mph.. ran my first tank out abouit a hour, was following bouys running red up river,things going good had a neat chart maps by TVA showe my marking ect.. I ran out of 1st tank of gas after about a hour changed to full tank 10 min later let son drive, he does fine 10 min later there is a CLANKing knocking nose, could tell motor was missing I started driving Talk about your a STUBBORN asshole  I TOLD YOU SO look from my wife….. I didn’t hear beeping nose(oiler beeps when not working)… no smoke , steam , smell… I cut off motor took off cover. I saw a cracked small hose that outlet that pumps water from engine to side of motor that lets you know water pump is working. I cut off bad hose pout back, this had nothing to do with problem. Engin was hot to touch.. well here I was with family floating Tenn River nobody around. what should I do? Just passed a god I know 3 wide 10 deep barge heading my way a few miles ago water dept is 40 feet in channel. My anchor ropw is 25..  I started motor back up, it was clanging more I could go forward just went slow. Fisherman came by I flagged him down he stopped, He asked me about oil told him it was 1/2 full. I cranked again he said its fixing to LOCK UP.. i shut if off.. let it cool cranked it again it just bumped didnt turn over.. HMmmm not good… we talked then I asked him the big one how far is closest mechinac.."About 5 miles that way,, I had a phone called info got marina "NOPE no one here  or gonna be here today but me" talk about being in  JAM… I told fisherman ID sure pay ya if you can tow me in… he had a RANGER 150  he said, "Ive been in your shoes before, you gotta rope?"  There is a GOD!! these fellow could have said see ya dont wanna be ya..  These  2 guys towed us a few miles told us  they had to stop saw fish in finder. They started fishing got into a mess of stripes, they cought 10 stripes it was great, wife and kids got a kick out of that… called folks we were on they were hour away they were on their way. When we got to dock and in slip I had $50 in my  hand and asked how much and the guy said "nothing the man didnt charge me anything and you just pass it on" I said please take this let me buy your lunch, take these 20 gallons of gas its not gonna do me any good. NOPE he didnt want nothing.. Well friends came picked us up (he to told me it was dumb to make the trip, so I HAD to listen to his remarks and rightfully so, I had screwed up his day driveing. We left boat over night, called had a friend pick up my trailor meet me there on SUN we picked it up now its in back yard.. END of story I had OIL in reseror tank, my water pump impeller replaced last year with cover off I can turn fly wheel about 4 turns and will turn  when starting but will come to stop and then will only bump unless your turn with had but will again come to stop and go no futher… Gonna have checked out, what ya think it is. Do I fix this motor or is it to OLD (86 Johnson 115) what could it be. d mac Tennessee

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Question:

I’m looking for a source of small plastic boxes with lids – about an inch or an inch & a half square.  Any of you shop owners have an idea? Thanks in advance for any information. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

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Al- Tap plastics has a group of parts boxes in non-shatter milky whie color for somewhere in the realm of 15-25 cents each..they also ahave some 1 inch cubes and 1×2, 2×2 in crystal clear and assorted other colors in the 35 to 75 cent range…best I’ve seen! Larry Medina  #:)#

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