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I can’t go anymore.  I just got this new job and couldn’t get time off and will have family in town.  Why can’t I find a job that just lets me fish? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 26 days to go.  I’m getting a bit anxious. I offered a while back to provide transportation if there was anyone interested in meeting up in Seattle, or between Seattle and Devils Lake.  I’m still interested in that, but I’m also considering going on to Chicago for my 30th college reunion after the clave.  It’s another 800 miles or so, and I’m only about half interested.  If I’m giving someone a ride, I’ll be able to blow off the reunion. Warren had expressed some interest in a ride, as had someone else in Washington or Oregon, I can’t remember for sure, but maybe it was Padishar Creel (Chris)?  I’m expecting to go for the whole week, leaving Seattle Friday, May 17 plus or minus a day, and returning Sunday May 26 plus or minus a couple days. I’ve got room for two people and gear.  I’m planning on bringing my Dave Scaden Escalade and possibly my canoe. Anyone interested? Chas P.S.  Kevin, are you going to post those fly pictures I sent on the website? Fix underscore in address to reply

– Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Well, Warren, you’re a step ahead of most folks, not only do you know what your problem is, you know the solution.  All that’s left is findind a way to implement it. We’ll miss you in ND.  Any interest in a day or two of fishing in Montana on either end of the clave? Chas I can’t go anymore.  I just got this new job and couldn’t get time off and will have family in town.  Why can’t I find a job that just lets me fish? — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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We’ll miss you in ND.  Any interest in a day or two of fishing in Montana on either end of the clave?

I can probably swing something on either end of the clave, but the 17th or 18th would work better for me.  Drop me an email and we can figure something out. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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26 days to go.  I’m getting a bit anxious. I offered a while back to provide transportation if there was anyone interested in meeting up in Seattle, or between Seattle and Devils Lake.  I’m still interested in that, but I’m also considering going on to Chicago for my 30th college reunion after the clave.  It’s another 800 miles or so, and I’m only about half interested.  If I’m giving someone a ride, I’ll be able to blow off the reunion. Warren had expressed some interest in a ride, as had someone else in Washington or Oregon, I can’t remember for sure, but maybe it was Padishar Creel (Chris)?  I’m expecting to go for the whole week, leaving Seattle Friday, May 17 plus or minus a day, and returning Sunday May 26 plus or minus a couple days. I’ve got room for two people and gear.  I’m planning on bringing my Dave Scaden Escalade and possibly my canoe. Anyone interested? Chas P.S.  Kevin, are you going to post those fly pictures I sent on the website? Fix underscore in address to reply

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha LOL, my x-boyfriend use to do that.  He stole all kinds of street signs and hung them up in his room.  I guess that’s what I get for dating a younger guy!  He was a dumbass! he he then I must be the same dumbass

I mean he was a dumbass for cheating on me with a 300 pound chick!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

Could you use a Syracuse City Parking Meter?  What’ve you got for trade? — "My friends, we are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives." Criswell The Psychic Weatherman

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People always make fun of me for my hobbies. I’m sure you assholes who are so fond of googling me will find out what they are, though. …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

(typed backwards to prevent SPAM) Website: home.cox.rr.com/alm

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

That’s awesome I used to steal signs every weekend. There wasn’t much else to do in the small town I grew up in. That brings back a lot of fond memories. Crawling out the window after mom went to bed. Pockets stuffed with wrenches and a pint of cheap bourbon. Creeping down the street in my buddy’s van, looking for the next good sign. Those were some fun nights. One weekend we harvested enough signage to get an article written about us in the local paper. We thought we were master criminals. I’ve retired from sign stealing, but it still crosses my mind sometimes. When I first moved here, about four years ago, I found a street called "Pope Lick Road" out in the boonies. I almost came out of retirement for that one. -monkeyman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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the dodwell bait download yes. — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

ok , go there and click on the set up icon

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did you save it to a folder ? save what? — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

the dodwell bait download

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you download it , from www.welove/dodwell/yes and now what? — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

did you save it to a folder ?

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with dodwell bait where do i find one? — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

you download it , from www.welove/dodwell/yes

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you catch them when it is the season , and you save them for when it’s not the season , so you can enjoy dodwell all year long . how do i catch them? — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

with dodwell bait

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so , do you have some dodwells hidden away ? it’s not the season. — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

you catch them when it is the season , and you save them for when it’s not the season , so you can enjoy dodwell all year long .

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…if you have one? I am just wondering…

<snip sewing. writing. reading. embroidery. video games. rj

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tell the truth , your hobby is , counting freds hairs as they fall out

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that’s why you save one or two . exactly — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

so , do you have some dodwells hidden away ?

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do you dream about lots and lots of dodwells ? it’s not the season. — Press any key to continue or any other key to quit DH/DSS 0×596302A6 lylonilianaith at altern dot org 9200 8F87 6319 FE4A A4E0  BD7F AEC4 7560 5963 02A6

that’s why you save one or two .

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do you dream about lots and lots of dodwells ?

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I wish I had pets… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha my pets and webpage design. i aspire to cow-tipping though. —— smile pretty and watch your back (ani difranco) http://shattering.org x-no-archive:yes in the headers

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha LOL, my x-boyfriend use to do that.  He stole all kinds of street signs and hung them up in his room.  I guess that’s what I get for dating a younger guy!  He was a dumbass! he he

then I must be the same dumbass –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

–lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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tying artificial flies for fly fishing

that should be interesting… can you teach me? –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

Ah the coveted "Dip".

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We have a garden, and I sometimes do work in it. I also work with plants. I like it. -…if you have one? Bicycling, reading, drawing, music and singing.  I like to cook if there’s other people to eat the food.  Others as finances allow (sewing, crafts, etc.)  I’m missing gardening big-time.  :(

–lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering…

I like collecting stuff about Charles Manson. That’s my newest hobby, actually. But I love to play my guitar, listening to music, singing and writing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha

LOL, my x-boyfriend use to do that.  He stole all kinds of street signs and hung them up in his room.  I guess that’s what I get for dating a younger guy!  He was a dumbass! he he – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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tying artificial flies for fly fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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This is one of the very few Orvis products that I used with satisfaction in the past.  Since it left the market I haven’t been able to find a good liquid floatant that worked as well (not that I’ve tried too hard).  I can’t remember the reason it was taken off the market, and whether there was a good homemade concoction to replace it (seem to me I heard of something, but it escapes me). I know I’m at risk of opening up some stupid thread-war about Gink, and the like, but looking for a liquid floatant (not a spray either).  Orvis has some new stuff out that your suppose to treat the fly with ahead of time, but really looking for something affordable (I think it was $5 for a half oz) and something I can use "on the fly" (sorry). The Finn

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From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

Er, OK, now I’m curious: why does it have to be "liquid form?"  If you simply don’t want a "gel," try Frog’s Fanny, or if you want "homemade," silica (desiccant) dust.  If you MUST have a liquid, get any of the myriad of products out there that come in liquid form. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form.

  Ah, sorry ’bout that.   Steve

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You didn’t stick around long enough.      We left at 2:30 on Sunday.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost?      Nah, just the usual stuff, like eating my groceries and drinking my booze.

  And damn good booze and food it was!  Even better than the other 20 times I sponged off you. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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How was the show?

  I thought it was a great show.  A little bigger this year which made it less crowded.  The crowd was thinner on Sunday.  My favorite part is the "Destination Theaters".  I saw some slides of some really neat country in CO and MT.  Nothing about Wyoming, though.  You know—not much to say about the fishing in this lousy state.   The only downside was having to follow Wilson around the booths with a mop. All that drooling— Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight…. This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw.

How was the show? Willi

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You didn’t stick around long enough.

     We left at 2:30 on Sunday.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost?

     Nah, just the usual stuff, like eating my groceries and drinking my booze.

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight…. This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw.

How was the show. Willi

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight….

This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop.

   Hey, you weren’t at the show! You said you’d be easy to spot because you’d be wearing a plaid shirt and baseball cap, and there wasn’t anybody there dressed like that (except me and Skinner).

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Charlie Wilson protests:    Hey, you weren’t at the show! You said you’d be easy to spot because you’d be wearing a plaid shirt and baseball cap, and there wasn’t anybody there dressed like that (except me and Skinner).

You didn’t stick around long enough. I finally showed up on Sunday afternoon, complete with flannel cap and baseball shirt, or something similar.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Just prefer to dunk and run,  less mess and waste.  I’ve tried some of the others, and they sucked,  just looking for some suggestions,…

I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight. My dries go straight from the vise (or the raffle) into the hydrostop, then into the storage box after they dry. About the only thing that defeats the stuff is fish slime, and a quick shake in dry floatant crystals will take care of that. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Still available here in Australia – I purchased a spraycan only about a week before Christmas.  

It’s off the market in the US, something about cancer risk. I’ll keep an eye out for it the next time I’m out of the country and bring some back. Useful stuff. — Charlie…

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Have you tried ScotchGuard?   That was taken off the market too.

Still available here in Australia – I purchased a spraycan only about a week before Christmas.  However, apparently there is some new "Super ScotchGuard" on the horizon or already out there, but I haven’t come across it yet. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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says… Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

Have you tried ScotchGuard?  Spray (yeah – I know) on the flies when they are tied or before the trip.  They float like crazy. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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Have you tried ScotchGuard?  

That was taken off the market too. — Charlie…

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Er, OK, now I’m curious: why does it have to be "liquid form?"  If you simply don’t want a "gel," try Frog’s Fanny, or if you want "homemade," silica (desiccant) dust.  If you MUST have a liquid, get any of the myriad of products out there that come in liquid form.

Just prefer to dunk and run,  less mess and waste.  I’ve tried some of the others, and they sucked,  just looking for some suggestions,

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I just use Gink. Whatever you think about the man the stuff works fine for me. Don’t try to get me into an argument or anything.  The guy asked a question, I answered it.  Imagine that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is one of the very few Orvis products that I used with satisfaction in the past.  Since it left the market I haven’t been able to find a good liquid floatant that worked as well (not that I’ve tried too hard).  I can’t remember the reason it was taken off the market, and whether there was a good homemade concoction to replace it (seem to me I heard of something, but it escapes me). I know I’m at risk of opening up some stupid thread-war about Gink, and the like, but looking for a liquid floatant (not a spray either).  Orvis has some new stuff out that your suppose to treat the fly with ahead of time, but really looking for something affordable (I think it was $5 for a half oz) and something I can use "on the fly" (sorry). The Finn

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RW No, I disagree. I think Deanbot stopped posting at just about the time it had become clear that Clinton/Gore’s release from the energy reserve was having the intended effect on prices and supplies. Deanbot was grossly wrong and not about to deal with it. Same old same old as far as the Clinton haters go: if the facts don’t hold up, fade; if you can cover it up it didn’t happen. If you can’t cover it up, say the Demo commies did it. Like Ive said before, it is time to take back the Republican Party from these clowns, and give the American people a good second centrist alternative; Now THAT would be truly conservative. Dave McCain was the one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it.

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Dave McCain was the one.

We do agree on something.  Would have liked to see him in.  Maybe next time, hopefully. Natty Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah Edwin… I thought it was funny too and nothing more than that… if the NY officials take it as a serious attempt to defraud the system and keep people from voting, that seems pretty weak… I mean when was the last time election day WASN’T on the first Tuesday of November?? I also was amazed at the uproar here in California re the website that was offering to "trade votes"…. because Gore is expected to win in California, a lot of Nader supporters didn’t want to see their votes "wasted" and want to ensure the Green Party gets it’s 5% for federal matching funds…. so they were offering people in other states to sign up for "trade a vote"…. I’ll vote for YOUR candidate in MY state if you’ll vote for MY candidate in YOUR state… The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….

I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it.  I would think someone there would have realized the danger – even he got 5%, it would be charged (and possibly correctly) that it wasn’t a "real" 5%, and therefore, the Greens weren’t entitled to matching funds.   No matter who won, R’s or D’s, neither would be too amused with Nader, and both would likely enjoy seeing him get skewered on his own sword. As to the email, I’ve seen both variants, R’s vote Nov. 7th, and D’s the 8th, and vice-versa, so maybe it’s like "Suppose They Gave an Election and Nobody Voted…." <G TC, R

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I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. …

What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. … What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last.

The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it. I do feel kind of bad about it, though, and I’d really like to move on if you don’t mind, or even if you do mind. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. … What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last. The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it. I do feel kind of bad about it, though, and I’d really like to move on if you don’t mind, or even if you do mind.

I thought the "Deanbot" stuff was funny, hence my playing along.  I was, and still feel the name stuff is taking offensive liberties a they were politely asked not to do so, as I explained, but it is the who and not the what – I don’t mind friends _joking_ because it is not meant in a derogatory way, but _no one_ on ROFF is close enough as of yet to take such liberties.  I _stopped_ posting for a number of reasons, most having nothing whatsoever to do with particular people on ROFF – there are other demands on the time of a capitalist running dog…ecosystems to get out of balance, trees to cut, etc.<G, and I didn’t realize I needed to explain or "check out" <G.   Now, I will say, I almost didn’t but ROFF on the new system because of the reasons explained elsewhere, geeky wannabe verbal bullies like fartingfairy (my spell checker suggests "Farthingale"….hmm) and puppydog could no more drive me away from where I wanted to be than they could act like gentlemen…. TC, R PS – Farthingale might be a good name for him – although I know no one _named_ "Farthingale," I know some that _could_ be named Farthingale, and Fartingfairy sounds like one of them….

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Now, I will say, I almost didn’t but ROFF on the new system because of the reasons explained elsewhere, geeky wannabe verbal bullies like fartingfairy (my spell checker suggests "Farthingale"….hmm) and puppydog could no more drive me away from where I wanted to be than they could act like gentlemen…. TC, R PS – Farthingale might be a good name for him – although I know no one _named_ "Farthingale," I know some that _could_ be named Farthingale, and Fartingfairy sounds like one of them….

Sir; In the interest of preserving the dignity of this august group, I am afraid I must refrain from telling just what I thi….mph……ahem, what I mphphphph….BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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 Due to an anticipated voter turnout much larger than originally  expected, the polling facilities may not be able to handle the load all  at once.  Therefore, Democrats are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and  Republicans on Wednesday, November 8.  Please pass this message along and  help us to make sure that nobody gets left out.

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Larry, Last nite here in albany Ny, local media had mention of this kooky style email that if floating around. Personally, I think it is quite funny.  But I wondered why it would be mentioned onthe news? turns out NY authorities are taking a grimmer view of the email,even though it seems clearly to be a joke.  Keeping someone from voting is a felony. And Ny authorities are taking this email as an attempt to keep people form voting.  Efforts are afoot to track down the originator of the email. DO with that info what you will.. cheers edwin (apparently, ny authorities have even less of a sense of humor than is visible on ROFF)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Due to an anticipated voter turnout much larger than originally  expected, the polling facilities may not be able to handle the load all  at once.  Therefore, Democrats are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and  Republicans on Wednesday, November 8.  Please pass this message along and  help us to make sure that nobody gets left out.

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Yeah Edwin… I thought it was funny too and nothing more than that… if the NY officials take it as a serious attempt to defraud the system and keep people from voting, that seems pretty weak… I mean when was the last time election day WASN’T on the first Tuesday of November?? I also was amazed at the uproar here in California re the website that was offering to "trade votes"…. because Gore is expected to win in California, a lot of Nader supporters didn’t want to see their votes "wasted" and want to ensure the Green Party gets it’s 5% for federal matching funds…. so they were offering people in other states to sign up for "trade a vote"…. I’ll vote for YOUR candidate in MY state if you’ll vote for MY candidate in YOUR state… The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….

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The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….

It’s a very interesting situation. The question is whether the websites offer an "inducement" to vote a certain way, which is illegal. I think a case could be made either way. The ACLU is seeking a temporary restraining order on the Attorney General’s action against the web site on 1st Ammendment grounds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Jim,     IMHO, I’d try fly fishing the ocean personally because there doesn’t seem to be many great streams/rivers in the SD area….   Oceanwise, you might get to hook up with some Bonita, Yellowtail etc… that would be great…. even a Mackeral on the fly would be a challenge, depending on the weight rod.       Otherwise, fly fishing in SoCal, alot of it is float-tubing the lakes down there, try Lake Miramar, or Lake Hodges,,    you have chances at the stocker Rainbows or record setting Largemouth Bass…..   Good Luck, have a great week fishing in SD. (good Marinas for 1 day fishing trips for Yellowtail, Sand Bass, Barracuda & Tuna are Seaforth & H&M Landing, they’re right down there by Seaworld, downtown, SD).                        Lizet

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Depends where you are staying in SD.  I rent a house in Mission Beach each year and fish out of Seaforth as it is nice and my wife can bike over and get the car later.  Most of the landings nearer downdown are all clustered around H&M and are West of the Airport. Flyfish the rocks at La Jolla.  2 links are http://www.sport-fish-info.com/counts/ for landings and http://www.sdsportsfishing.com For some tips and areas.  I also go to Squidco or SQC near downtown for an equipment trip.  Large warehouse tackle store. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heading for San Diego for two weeks in December.  Any hints on where I can fly-fish as that is the only equipment I will be able to pack.  Also names of off-shore fishing companies that I can contact for 1 day trips.     Shad Man

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Heading for San Diego for two weeks in December.  Any hints on where I can fly-fish as that is the only equipment I will be able to pack.  Also names of off-shore fishing companies that I can contact for 1 day trips.     Shad Man

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The fishing inside the park was great when was there.  I saw two others fishing in a week. Lots of little Brookies. Crystal clear feeder brooks. Didn’t crawl way up into the high country so can’t say about that, and the only water of any size is paralleled by the main park road. Lots of easy access but you are kind of in a fish bowl as half of New Jersey drives by. But again the fishing was great.  Seem to remember some interesting water back in off the Cade’s Cove area. Don’t know why you would need a guide, just decent maps. The town itself and "Dollywood" could use a good cleaning out with a flame thrower. A real indictment of private sector greed and Babbitry. Or on the positive thinking side, it "offers many entertaining and shopping adventures" for the non-fishers in your party.  The park itself is magnificent. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up. Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

        there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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I will be spending a week near Marquette / Pictured Rocks in July. 1. Is it worth lugging my fly gear? 2. Does anyone have a recommendation regarding good streams or rivers or any other place where the fish are Biting? 3. Any recommendations on local Fishing Shops? Thanks in advance. Lou L.

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The closest major trout river is the Escanaba River which is within striking distance of Marquette. I have not fished it but there is a detailed description in the book "Michigan Trout Streams" by Bob Linsenman and Steve Nevela (Backcountry Press; ISBN 0-88150-271-5). In the book they list Scott Lindquist, Lindquist’s Outdoor Sports, 131 West Washington, Marquette, MI 49855 (906) 932-4038. Hope this helps, and let me know how you do!

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Lou, There are a couple of fairly good trout rivers within the confines of Pictured Rocks.  I have not fished them myself, but I have watched others catch fish and have wanted to go back with my rod.  Try the Mosquito and Miner rivers, both below the falls.  Expect to catch some wild brokies. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be spending a week near Marquette / Pictured Rocks in July. 1. Is it worth lugging my fly gear? 2. Does anyone have a recommendation regarding good streams or rivers or any other place where the fish are Biting? 3. Any recommendations on local Fishing Shops? Thanks in advance. Lou L.

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Any input?  I’m looking to make a decision between a Redington 9′ 8/9wt. and a St. Croix of the same build.  So far Redington is in the lead because of the Unconditional Lifetime Warranty.

The st. Croix Legend is a great deal. BTW it also has a lifetime unconditional warrenty.

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Any input?  I’m looking to make a decision between a Redington 9′ 8/9wt. and a St. Croix of the same build.  So far Redington is in the lead because of the Unconditional Lifetime Warranty. —       _                 Dan Siderius                    |   / _` / _` | “ |      Check out My Homepage at:       |   __,___,_|_,,_|      http://wybbs.wynalda.com/~dans        |

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8/9wt. and a St. Croix of the same build.

Dear Dan; The St. Croix may be a slightly faster action rod.  My experience ends with the 6/7 wts., but the principle may carry over to the higher weights.  They are both the same modulous graphite, but the cost of the St. Croix includes a pretty decent rod tube.  Flip a coin.  Better yet, cast ‘em both.  Even better yet, buy a Versitex! Sincerely; Jason Beary

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I’ve got a St Croix Legend (5wt, 9ft) All I can say is that it gets the job done. It’s fine, I works, I’ve got no complaints, but I know, in my heart of hearts, that I ain’t driving a Caddy. True, the warrenty is good and the fly tube is great and gbest of all, the price is excellent. I will be upgrading tho, when my big ship comes in Damn, faint praise! S. "The World is full of shipping clerks who read the Harvard Classics." –Bukowski, American writer, poet S. Duda Seattle, WA

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Dan, I used to fish with a St. Croix and now I fish with a Redington.  I own a Redington 9 ft., 5wt.  My St. Croix is a 8.5 ft., 5/6 wt.  I like my Redington a lot better.  It is a little faster, and the Unconditional Lifetime Warranty has come in handy.  I work at Jacklin’s Fly Shop in West Yellowstone and My Redington worked fine out there last summer.                               Jamie. Any input?  I’m looking to make a decision between a Redington 9′ 8/9wt. and a St. Croix of the same build.  So far Redington is in the lead because of the Unconditional Lifetime Warranty. —       _                 Dan Siderius                    |   / _` / _` | “ |      Check out My Homepage at:       |   __,___,_|_,,_|      http://wybbs.wynalda.com/~dans  |

– Jamie Farrell Interests:   -fly fishing   -fly tying   -camping   -hiking

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writes: I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started.

Yeah Jeff, I started tying long ago and my flies were never truely correct. Tails too long, too much hackle, ect…. Then I finally picked up a video called "Tying Western Trout Flies" by Jack Dennis and then I started punching ‘em out! His address is Box 4158, Jackson Hole, Wy. 83001. Ph: 307-733-3253. There are many other good video’s available as well. You need to decide which flies you will use the most and go from there. Also, many fly shops offer classes at night. That’s a good way to meet people who can really help you. Best of luck. Cliff

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writes: I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started. Any tips?                                                 thanks                                                   Jeff

Jeff,  not to be product specific, but there are lots of _kits_ from lots of vendors.  Bass Pro Shops has several all in a different price ranges.  Orvis has two (perhaps more) one just below $100 and one about $120.  These _kits_ are very good ways to start.  As you get better you can replace items for better ones.  The most important item is your vise.   Buy the best one you can afford.  I bought a cheap one and I now regret it.  When I can afford it I want to get a better one. Tight Lines and happy tying,

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I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started. Any tips?                                                 thanks                                                   Jeff

Jeff, 1.  A previous follow-up recommended taking a class — this is certainly the best course.  I’ve taken three or four classes and learned new techniques from each.  A local fly shop or a Trout Unlimited chapter can put you onto a class. There is a Trout Unlimited Home Page which can direct you to a local chapter.   Also you could post a message in one or more of the fly fishing / tying newsgroups or at flyfishing.com.  2.  If a class is not available in your area, then search out an experienced tyer to help you.  He / she can save you lots of frustration and help you with acquiring suitable tools and materials. 3.  Your third alternative (in order of preference) is the purchase of some top notch instructional materials.  There are some excellent books and videos available.  You will probably want to get some books on tying techniques and fly patterns in any case.  A some of the better known authors include: Skip Morris, Dick Talleur, Eric Leiser, Jack Dennis and Randall Kaufman (not to slight any of the other fine writers).  The first three offer books for the beginner. 4.  Beware of kits.  Although some are very good (you might inquire about those) most lack high quality tools and materials.  Quality tools and materials will go a long way towards eliminating frustration and insuring acceptable results. 5.  A final word.  Although the first flies which you tie probably will not approach fly shop quality — fish them anyway!  Even ratty flies catch fish – I should know.  Fish are much less concerned with aesthetics than fishermen. And besides, your flies will improve with practice. Tight Lines, Derek Brown

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Jeff,  not to be product specific, but there are lots of _kits_ from lots of vendors.  Bass Pro Shops has several all in a different price ranges.  Orvis has two (perhaps more) one just below $100 and one about $120.  These _kits_ are very good ways to start.  

I have to jump in here.  Over on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying, this is a frequent discussion topic.  In all cases, kits are thoroughly discouraged.  The common wisdom there suggests buying a core set of good quality tools and the materials to tie two or three flies that you already use from your local fly shop.  Then expand your tools and materials as you go. I have to agree with the advice in another post to contact your local fly fishing club.  There are folks there who just LOVE to teach!  You can learn anything you want by just asking at the club meeting. Tight threads, Charley

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Jeff,  not to be product specific, but there are lots of _kits_ from lots of vendors.  Bass Pro Shops has several all in a different price ranges.  Orvis has two (perhaps more) one just below $100 and one about $120.  These _kits_ are very good ways to start.

I disagree         If I had it to do over again, I would have purchased a good set of tools and gone to a fly shop to get material.  The first flytying kit I got was from  Bass Pro Shop (please everyone forgive me) and the quality of the material  was pathetic.  I could have done much better had I had access to people telling me to just get a set of tool sand feathers else where! Walter D. Whitman

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I would like to point out that a friend of mine has a great video out on fly tying instruction for kids…it’s very funny and informative…and it comes with a kit that might serve a kid starting out as a fly tier…you can call this guy about the video…406-549-4308.

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(BassMan918) writes: I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started. Any tips?

Check out rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — beginner questions are welcome, and a great deal of useful information turns up every week.  – Roger

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writes: I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started. Any tips?

My first fly tying lesson was given to me by alf walker who had me tie a series of wets/nymphs  which were nothing more than a size ten hook tailled with brown hackle, and dubbed with a piece picked from the store carpet, with a hackle collar.  I may still have the original fly which was beautifuly proportioned as he tied it.  My only expenditures were thread, a small indian cape, and a few hooks.  You can tie most patterns down to size 16 whith relative ease, whithout cement, bobins, and vises.  Hackle pliers and scisors are useful for this kind of tying as are half hitches.  This is great fun, and you should have no difficulty tying basic patterns.  I remember walker telling me that I would never find tying so much fun as I then did with all my materials contained for the first few months in a small cardboard box.   Possibly so. Thomas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                                                 thanks                                                   Jeff Jeff,  not to be product specific, but there are lots of _kits_ from lots of vendors.  Bass Pro Shops has several all in a different price ranges.  Orvis has two (perhaps more) one just below $100 and one about $120.  These _kits_ are very good ways to start.  As you get better you can replace items for better ones.  The most important item is your vise.   Buy the best one you can afford.  I bought a cheap one and I now regret it.  When I can afford it I want to get a better one. Tight Lines and happy tying,

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I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started. Any tips?                                                  thanks                                                    Jeff

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For me, taking a class was the way to go.  Simple "tricks" like starting the thread, spinning deer hair, and tying off would have been much tougher for me to pick up out of a book.  If there are any fly fishing shops under "fishing, retail" in the yellow pages, there is a good chance that they give lesseons, or they can direct you to the local fly fishing clubs, many of which will either have a class, or have experienced tyers who would be delighted to teach you.  Maybe other members can direct you to the better videos if neither of the above routes work out. Bill Mack

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For me fly tying is such an integral part of flyfishing, that I would hate to have to buy all of my flies.  It is a great way to keep your fishing nerves under control during those long closed seasons.  Thus it is great that you want to get into it.   Like flyfishing itself you can save yourself a good bit of trouble by having some hands-on training.  A night of classes at a fly shop or even through university extension programs (for example the University of Washington actually has classes in tying and fishing through the experimental college) would be a smart move.  If there are any local fishing clubs or shops around ask if they know anyone who might give you a short tutorial.  Also, definitely buy a vice.  It is possible to tie flies without one, but you will be much more frustated.  A reasonable vice can be purchased for around $30.  It won’t be fancy and you may find it hard for flies smaller than size 18, but it will get you rolling.  Most of the kits mentioned in one of the posts below have vices of this caliber.  Don’t be shy about asking someone to teach you, most of the fly tying books look like bad directions for assembling lint balls.  It is worth the effort, you’ll be hooked as soon as you catch your first fish on your own fly. cheers, Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I want to start tying flies but Im not sure how to get started. Any tips? My first fly tying lesson was given to me by alf walker who had me tie a series of wets/nymphs  which were nothing more than a size ten hook tailled with brown hackle, and dubbed with a piece picked from the store carpet, with a hackle collar.  I may still have the original fly which was beautifuly proportioned as he tied it.  My only expenditures were thread, a small indian cape, and a few hooks.  You can tie most patterns down to size 16 whith relative ease, whithout cement, bobins, and vises.  Hackle pliers and scisors are useful for this kind of tying as are half hitches.  This is great fun, and you should have no difficulty tying basic patterns.  I remember walker telling me that I would never find tying so much fun as I then did with all my materials contained for the first few months in a small cardboard box.   Possibly so. Thomas                                                 thanks                                                   Jeff Jeff,  not to be product specific, but there are lots of _kits_ from lots of vendors.  Bass Pro Shops has several all in a different price ranges.  Orvis has two (perhaps more) one just below $100 and one about $120.  These _kits_ are very good ways to start.  As you get better you can replace items for better ones.  The most important item is your vise.   Buy the best one you can afford.  I bought a cheap one and I now regret it.  When I can afford it I want to get a better one. Tight Lines and happy tying,

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Need info on Olympic Steelhead.  Will be in WA March 6-10.  Called some guides fish the Sol Duc and Hoh, but they are way to expensive.  Need info on possibility of taking myself and a buddy steelheading.  I’m worried that the rivers may be too high.

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Need info on Olympic Steelhead.  Will be in WA March 6-10.  Called some guides fish the Sol Duc and Hoh, but they are way to expensive.  Need info on possibility of taking myself and a buddy steelheading.  I’m worried that the rivers may be too high.

I’d suggest you call one of the Seattle area fly shops, such as Kaufmanns, Swallows Nest, Avid Angler or Patrick’s.  They should have good, up-to-date information on all the area streams, including the Olympic Peninsula.  Access on most of the major Peninsula streams is fairly limited, though there are exceptions;  a raft or drift boat can be a major advantage.  A good map is essential – the DeLorme ‘Atlas and Gazeteer’ will *generally* get you where you need to be, but forest service (Olympic National Forest) maps can be useful as well.   Stream conditions are NEVER certain – you pays your money and you takes your chances, whether visitor or local – but, in general, March tends to offer generally decent water.  But there just are no guarantees;  the whole month can be blown out or low, clear and fish-less.  One real plus of March is native (typically catch and release) fisheries on several of the local streams.  On the Peninsula, the Sol Duc comes to mind (also has some sections that are reasonably accessible).   On the subject of C&R, you might also want to check out some of the streams north of Seattle, such as the Skykomish, Skagit and Sauk. Fishing can be excellent at that time of year for very large native fish and most of these streams have pretty extensive access (though floating is still an advantage).  They also have some excellent fly water.   One last word of advice:  Guides may be expensive, but can make the difference between bust and boom, particularly on unfamiliar waters and unfamiliar fisheries.  Some streams, or even sections of streams, here fish best in ways that are not intuitive, even to experienced steelhead fly anglers.  You can easily spend months (hell, years! <g) fishing the wrong streams or the right streams wrong.  A day with a good guide at the beginning of the trip, can be parlayed into days (or even a lifetime) of successful fishing.  Any of the local shops can put you in touch with a good FF guide.  Also there are a number of excellent  independent guides, including John Farrar, who probably best exemplifies the ‘teaching guide’ approach.    (BTW, *most* Peninsula guides are, in my experience, mainly drift gear/plug fishermen;  be careful to get a full-time FF guide, no matter where you go).   -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA

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