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well willi…with our fly-swap tie, you’ll get all the discomfort but none of that nasty fish catchin problem, i’m sure… <g jeff n rachel, mutant tyers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …but then again the whole chernobl mutant series of flies catches fish too, so you go figure I find it discomforting that those things work. Willi

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well willi…with our fly-swap tie, you’ll get all the discomfort but none of that nasty fish catchin problem, i’m sure… <g

I once had the opportunity to do a float on the South Fork, and not only were the damn Chernobl flies by far the best flies we had, some of them were clearly better than other…the next best fly was maybe the Tarantula. Mind you the South Fork was a pretty big river for this boy to even begin to comprehend.   Eugene K.

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… the whole chernobl mutant series of flies I find it discomforting that those things work.

Well, you can take comfort in that they don’t work for very long. "Gimmick" patterns come and go, eventually the fish aren’t fooled by them anymore. The "gimmick-of-the-year" in Greater Yellowstone this past year was the Chernobyl Cricket, next year it will have to be something else. — Ken Fortenberry

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 You can sometimes soak an – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -unweighted Muddler in floatant and use it as a hopper as well, I’m told. Never been steelheading, so I couldn’t tell you anything about that. TL! – — Linux: Because I like it when my computer actually works —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Sq/JkciOs8eNXDMRAiHQAJ9fNO17S4LwnmMkm26bT3SlhaxBygCdHmu4 A2XEfZ7l0nnUEsqglT6jLDk= =KTc9 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

I’ve fished muddlers on the surface in a pinch and they work just fine…but then again the whole chernobl mutant series of flies catches fish too, so you go figure Eugene K.

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…but then again the whole chernobl mutant series of flies catches fish too, so you go figure

I find it discomforting that those things work. Willi

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<< Craig Moore   << I have been sent a woolhead sculpin. This is not a fly we use in Europe very much. I am interested to know what is a sculpin and where do you find them or is sculpin the name of the designer? Shows how little I know <grin What colors and hook sizes do you prefer? The one I have is brown wool head and olive body and tail. Do you use them mainly for steelhead? Thanks Craig   Ken Fortenberry’s response describes the scientific identification.  I know them as a large trout fly for darkness and deep water.  One North American variety is known as the Miller’s Thumb and an imitative tie has huge pectoral fins which push a lot of water when the fly is retrieved. GKT

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I have been sent a woolhead sculpin. This is not a fly we use in Europe very much. I am interested to know what is a sculpin and where do you find them or is sculpin the name of the designer?

Sculpin is the name of a baitfish of the order Scorpaeniformes, at least in the US. I don’t know what fishes of that order are present in Europe, if any. What colors and hook sizes do you prefer? The one I have is brown wool head and olive body and tail. Do you use them mainly for steelhead?

There’s a streamer called the Muddler Minnow which was originally tied to imitate sculpins. I use them as streamers when I want an imitator. I usually use them in #4 or #8 for bass or trout. You can sometimes soak an unweighted Muddler in floatant and use it as a hopper as well, I’m told. Never been steelheading, so I couldn’t tell you anything about that. TL! – — Linux: Because I like it when my computer actually works —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Sq/JkciOs8eNXDMRAiHQAJ9fNO17S4LwnmMkm26bT3SlhaxBygCdHmu4 A2XEfZ7l0nnUEsqglT6jLDk= =KTc9 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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The famous and much disliked (on ROFF) Muddler Minnow was originally tied to be a Sculpin imitation. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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I have been sent a woolhead sculpin. This is not a fly we use in Europe very much. I am interested to know what is a sculpin and where do you find them or is sculpin the name of the designer? Shows how little I know <grin What colors and hook sizes do you prefer? The one I have is brown wool head and olive body and tail. Do you use them mainly for steelhead?

There is a designer named Stalcup, but it’s not related.  A sculpin is a little ugly fish that hangs out on the bottom of rocky rivers.  So, you fish it like a streamer, except that most people seem to bottom-bounce it.  I haven’t heard of using it for steelhead, but I don’t fish for steelhead. It’s in all the modern books here in the US as a rainbow and especially brown trout lure.  The colors you mention are right.

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I have been sent a woolhead sculpin. This is not a fly we use in Europe very much. I am interested to know what is a sculpin and where do you find them or is sculpin the name of the designer? Shows how little I know <grin What colors and hook sizes do you prefer? The one I have is brown wool head and olive body and tail. Do you use them mainly for steelhead? Thanks Craig

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I have been sent a woolhead sculpin. This is not a fly we use in Europe very much. I am interested to know what is a sculpin and where do you find them … What colors and hook sizes do you prefer?

Sculpins, family COTTIDAE, are a bottom-dwelling species, often found under or between rocks. You should match the color and size of the naturals wherevever you’re fishing and fish them "rightdownonthebottom". Sculpins are a very important fly to have in your box for fishing the Norfork in Arkansas, other than that I don’t use them. — Ken Fortenberry

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Best wishes to you and yours Frank Dave

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Frank Church writes:

(nice stuff snipped) Daisy, Guts and I wish you all a very Merry Xmas, and a wonderful New Year. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat Church

What?  No Church Mouse?   Thank you, Frank, and many Happy returns to you and your’s. Dave LaCourse

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That time of the year again folks, my how time flies when you’re having fun! Local paper says this is the coldest winter in these parts since 1989, and we’re about to equal snowfall records as well if this keeps up. My back deck is awash in snowbirds, finches, etc. foraging in the snow for the seeds that I throw out there, Guts has a ball watching them, her own private entertainment center, as it were.  A hump in the park on snowshoes is the order of the day, then to thumb thru well worn flyfishing magazines to decide what fly to tie for the upcoming 2001 swap. The choices are narrowed down when my ability to tie is taken into account. Without ROFF, this year, as in the past, would be diminished measurably.  I am grateful for the cyber-friends I have made, and most grateful for the ones I have had the privilege to meet in the few claves I have attended. Really looking forward to doing it again in 2001. What a great bunch of ruf…er….people! Daisy, Guts and I wish you all a very Merry Xmas, and a wonderful New Year. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat Church —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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A while back there was a posting that had this open or active portal concept. It was set up at a college or something and dealt with fly fishing. Does anybody still have the link for it? Thanks in advance, — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

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Thank you if you bothered to answer me. I finally found it. Here is the link if anyone is interested. http://www.active-portal.com/cgi-bin/genpage?cat=1031242&page=1&verbo… — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back there was a posting that had this open or active portal concept. It was set up at a college or something and dealt with fly fishing. Does anybody still have the link for it? Thanks in advance, — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish

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I’ve found that if you use too fine a tippet in relation to strength, you’ll get major twisting if there is a hard wind.  

This is one time where a thicker or stiffer tippet would be better. Willi

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I’ve found that if you use too fine a tippet in relation to strength, you’ll get major twisting if there is a hard wind.  It seems to be that even though you’ve increased your tippet strength, you still have to match the tippet to the size fly you are casting.  In essence you still need to match DIAMETER with you fly size.  I’ve seen it alot where people insist on matching the BREAKING STRENGTH to the fly size which results in the aforementioned twisting.

Really?  That’s nutty.  Absolutely – diameter (translating into a certain stiffness and/or a certain mass of line) is what matters because that’s what determines how the fly will be cast and presented. Regards, Jeff

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Increases in tippet strength, IMHO, is the most significant improvement in fly fishing equipment in the last fifty years. When I started fly fishing, a tippet fine enough to use with a size 20 fly had a breaking strength of under a pound.  Tough to land a good fish on a tippet that weak. I’m hard pressed to come up with a situation where a finer tippet of the same strength wouldn’t be superior. Willi

I’ve found that if you use too fine a tippet in relation to strength, you’ll get major twisting if there is a hard wind.  It seems to be that even though you’ve increased your tippet strength, you still have to match the tippet to the size fly you are casting.  In essence you still need to match DIAMETER with you fly size.  I’ve seen it alot where people insist on matching the BREAKING STRENGTH to the fly size which results in the aforementioned twisting. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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Increases in tippet strength, IMHO, is the most significant improvement in fly fishing equipment in the last fifty years. When I started fly fishing, a tippet fine enough to use with a size 20 fly had a breaking strength of under a pound.  Tough to land a good fish on a tippet that weak. I’m hard pressed to come up with a situation where a finer tippet of the same strength wouldn’t be superior. Willi

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Small diameter is not always desirable.

Why not?  By "small diameter", what we really mean is "small diameter relative to its strength".  So if you want a bigger diameter, you could still use "small diameter for its strength", and then a bigger diameter in that brand, and you’ll have the diameter you want but stronger than the other brand. In my experience, Maxima tippet consistently runs about one mil larger than marked.

More like .002 in my experience! Nevertheless, it is an excellent tippet material because it handles abuse much better than some with better specs.

Orvis Super Strong is damn strong, though.  Or damn thin, depending on how you look at it eh? Regards, Jeff

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Increases in tippet strength, IMHO, is the most significant improvement in fly fishing equipment in the last fifty years. When I started fly fishing, a tippet fine enough to use with a size 20 fly had a breaking strength of under a pound.  Tough to land a good fish on a tippet that weak. I’m hard pressed to come up with a situation where a finer tippet of the same strength wouldn’t be superior. Willi

If it is stiffer it might interfere with fly presentation. Peter G. Aitken

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Hello,    As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets?

There is a lot of development of monofilament going on with things like copolymers etc. The main effect is that of getting more breaking strength for the same diameter. In addition, the stiffness and abrasion reisitance and knot strength may be affected. Nevertheless, there is no law to prevent you from using any material you want. Small diameter is not always desirable. In my experience, Maxima tippet tconsistently runs about one mil larger than marked. Even so, the strength for a given marked diameter runs less than on other tippet such as Dai-Riki. Nevertheless, it is an excellent tippet material because it handles abuse much better than some with better specs. Bill

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Leader and tippet material is just the same as ordinary Nylon monofilament fishing line.  Some prefer certain types of Nylon, "soft or hard" for instance which makes the leader/tippet, "stiff or limp".    Basically any fishing line will do however. Many people buy spools of the line they like and make up their own leaders and tippets from it.    If you are just starting out, I would recommend buying knotless tapered leaders from your local tackle shop, and a couple of spools of tippet material ( ordinary line ) in the diameters you require. You can of course learn to tie up your own leaders immediately, it is not hard to do. Have a look at   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2/ and   http://globalflyfisher.com Both of these sites have good info on  leaders . TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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   As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets?

You can use it.  It should just be a good match with the end of the leader you’re using and match your fly.  The stiffnes of the line is also a factor. The only problem is that the diameter listed might not be correct.  Even with "official" tippet material where the diameter is usually more important than the breaking strength, it is often off.  But probably not so much that it will make a huge difference.  .010 is also called 1X, which is a bit on the heavy side for a lot of trout flies – I was wondering what fly you’re using. Regards, Jeff

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Bonjour, You can use regular fishing line of the correct diameter. The most important in leader and tippet is to tye good knots as a bad knot will brake really easily. The most important in Nylon is to avoid using an too old one. Then remember that from a "regular" fishing line to another one you have differences in coating and other chemical treatements wich make a Nylon softer or not from another one. You have to know what you are searching for, considering lenght of your tippet, size of the fly, wet or dry… Philippe Pacific Angling on Line http://fishing.ifrance.com * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets? TIA Rich Kent I no expert, but I don’t see any reason not to use it. Hell, if you’ve got a big spool of it, I’d say that’s a really good reason to use it. Welcome to the sport and as a newcomer, stick around this group. There’s info here amongst the BS.

I’ve started making my own leaders this year.  In doing so I have looked at different companies for my leader material.  I have found the diameter and strength not the same with each company.  I’ve then found that most tippet material, though the same diameter as regular monofilament, is much stronger.  With this in mind, I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t use regular monofilament as long as you understand that it might not be as strong as tippet material for the same diameter. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Hello,     As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets? TIA Rich Kent

I no expert, but I don’t see any reason not to use it. Hell, if you’ve got a big spool of it, I’d say that’s a really good reason to use it. Welcome to the sport and as a newcomer, stick around this group. There’s info here amongst the BS.

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Hello,     As someone new to the sport I have a question regarding tippet material. Does it have to be a specific material or can you use regular fishing line of the correct diameter? I ask this because I noticed that the line I use on my spinning reel lists a dia. of .010 which is the dia. of the tippet I’m told is the correct for the size flies I will be using. Can I use this line or do I have to use a material specific for tippets? TIA Rich Kent

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The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

when did ernie harrison say that? walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes: (snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

yup. and funny how the most "inconclusive" (it was a gd clean catch) replay of the year gets overturned…. like i said, FIX! WALT — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

You’ve never fished Lake of the Ozarks, have you? Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill     tony of mn

I hear ya tony.  I’m not a vikes fan, but I really wanted them to go this year.  They deserved to go last year, but got screwed by those flash-in-the-pan falcons that ruined the superbowl. — Levi "who’s counting the days to the superbowl, even if waldo does think it’s fixed." Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Would impeachment work?  It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair.

Jimmy Johnson had perfect hair, but it didn’t do him any good. Tom Landry had no hair so he wore a hat, but it didn’t help. He’s gone. I hate the frigging Cowboys. I saw Any Given Sunday today. Definitely worth the price of a ticket, even if the script was formulaic. Stone really knows the the technique of movie making. One funny thing was that the NFL refused to cooperate with Stone so he had to make up all the names of the football teams. They all sounded like the names of condoms. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill    tony of mn

        only on roff:  a haiku written about a losing football team. how good is that? wayno

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Snipped for no real reason…. r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst

Someone actually READS my stuff?  Sorry, I basically just ramble on in my own little world…..I thought I’d already made most killfiles…. <G R

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school quarterback being booed by his pastor. The NFL no longer generates this kind of interest in the game. Big Dale

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Salmon Fly writes: Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

When EH said that, he wasn’t speaking of American racing, but of European and international. Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines.  Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence?  A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly?  Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor?   Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay.  Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest?    Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch.  This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ.  The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL  Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game.  Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

i’m with ya peter. i just hope subaru doesn’t sponsor nfl stuff or i’m in deep ka-ka with marie. it would be kinda hard explaining a yugo to her b/c of some silly football game. dale, no one else wants him paul, rugby? r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst allan, "and this was, called correctly by the officials" … on the field? levi, go back to sleep walt ps… i thought this group was rough…let me tell ya, we’re pussies compared to those boyos over at the tampa bay buc newsgroup this eve — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes:

(snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport.

The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

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No, Walt you’re not the only one. After college I started playing Rugby. A much saner and safer sport. For years I wouldn’t watch football because it was so rediculous. I started playing rugby about the same time as the instant replay wich made it seem even worse. A few years ago a friend invited me over to watch a game and I went. Sometime during the game the topic got to the state of the sport to which he replied. This isn’t a sport. It’s made for TV sensationalism to generate revenues for the network. Kind of like 60 Minutes or pro wrestling. From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. Paul And this has nothing to do with the local team.

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?  snippings < FIX!   . Walt

AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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[whining snipped] <g From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL.

Well, gee, let’s hope Hardy, Lamson, Courtland et al don’t ever decide to be the official fly-fishing gear provider of the NFL. Talk about yer conflict of interest… –Steve

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?

Huh?  I assume you are talking about the St. Louis/Tampa Bay game?  I dozed off in the second half of the fourth quarter.  You do realize that part of the new instant replay policy is that the refs upstairs can challenge a call on the field in the final two minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters?  Is that what happened? — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That solves your Budweiser quandary…. <G R

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines.  Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence?  A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly?  Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor?   Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay.  Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest?    Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch.  This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ.  The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL  Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game.  Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

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another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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As I understand the re-play rule, to overturn a field call, the reviewer must see clear evidence that the play was called incorrectly. If the re-play official saw clear evidence he/she must have seen something that no one else did, not even Madden & Summerall. Don’t know if any one call alters the outcome but that review was b.s. No I’m not a Tampa Bay or a St. Louis fan (actually, I root for the Giants). Just a fan who enjoys a good game, and this was, called correctly by the officials.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

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Would impeachment work?  It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill     tony of mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?  snippings < FIX!   . Walt AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

I was wondering if a certain Floridian-by-birth-if-not-by-nature was blowing his cookies this afternoon ;^) I think they blew that call, but I’m not as sure that it would have made any difference. They were struggling and I don’t think they had enough time (or momentum) to score. /daytripper (we might get a decent Superbowl for a friggin’ change!)

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To all interested;      I posted about a new web page that I had created, on flyfishing, but forgot to give the address.  No one said you had to be bright to work with a computer but it sometimes help.  So here is the address "http://infoave.net/~bptrav1" it might be a liitle easier to find this way.  The page is new so any suggestions will be appreciated.  In the near future I am going to make this sight into an online flyfishing magezine with help,how to and advice for the flyfishing advocates out there.  So please take a look and E-mail me any suggestions or something you would like to post on the page.                               Thanks                               Ben Powell

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would someone please repost the address for the vote on the fly tying group. thank you — Gerry Hudson Judy Hudson

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would someone please repost the address for the vote on the fly tying group.

Send an email message with one of the following two lines (and only that in the message) as the text of the message: I vote YES to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying I vote NO to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Please vote if you haven’t done so.  There are only 9 days left to vote. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Howdy to all brooky fishermen;  I’m heading to Algonquin park in the spring for some of those big river speckles.  I need some advice on the best time in the spring to go in regards to the best fishing, and the least black- flies.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Worst black fly and best brooky fly season are perfectly correlated.  (God knew you were coming.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Howdy to all brooky fishermen;  I’m heading to Algonquin park in the spring for some of those big river speckles.  I need some advice on the best time in the spring to go in regards to the best fishing, and the least black- flies.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chris Chris Lanthier    

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I think I’ve seen a guy at some of the FF shows who sells antique old style hooks for fly tying.  I want to do some tying for displays and would like to use good reproduction hooks.  I’m mostly looking for wet fly hooks with the squared off bend.  Can anyone suggest a source for these?  Thanks in advance.  E-mail or post response. Dave Wood Catch and release

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writes:  I’m mostly looking for wet fly hooks with the squared off bend.  Can anyone suggest a source for these?

This type of bend is called a sneck bend.  It is the weakest type of bend and was originally done to help hide the point of the hook under the body of the fly.  I believe you can still get these from Partridge and possibly from Daiichi.                                                      Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I have not heard of any in the western part of the state or in Southern Indiana (I’m in Evansville).  Fort Campbell north of Nashville Tenn is supposed to have a trout stream, and eastern KY must, but I’m not familiar with them.  Tight lines. Bill Mack

The fisheries people Frankfort have a document listing all of the trout streams in Kentucky.  Check the Regs booklet wherever you get a license or call information for the Dept of Fish & WildLife.  The cold water fisheries expert is a guy named Jim Axon (sp?). Believe it or not, there are several streams in KY with self sustaining populations of wild trout (brookies).  But they are extremely small, hard to get to, and harder to fly fish. As I remember it, most of the trout streams are south and east of Lexington. There are put and take rainbow fisheries at a number of tailwaters (such as below Buckhorn Lake).  In the Big South Fork National River and Recreation Area there are "put-grow-and-take" brown trout fisheries is Rock creek and also trout in some smaller creeks.In the Red River Gorge area there is Swift Camp Creek, Coal Slab Creek and Chimney Top Creek plus a few smaller ones.  Another P-G-T brown stream is the Dix River tailwater below Herrington Lake dam just south of Lexington.  You’ll need a boat as access is limited for this one. I’m told that the vast majority of all the trout in KY are in the Cumberland River tailwater in the area from Burkesville on down.  This is a big river, a boat is best, but there are some wading access points. The state record brown and it’s twin (both 18 lb. +) came from here.  There’s a fly shop in Lexington that can tell you more, but I can’t remember the name (might try the Orvis 800 number and ask for their dealers in KY).  Indiana’s St. Joseph is the only trout/ steelhead/salmon river I know of in the state. Sorry, I don’t know of any cold water closer to Louisville, but consider giving stream fishing for smallmouth bass a try, they can be a blast on a fly rod and #4 yellow popper! Tight Lines…. Jeff Clark       Dayton, OH

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I have not heard of any in the western part of the state or in Southern Indiana (I’m in Evansville).  Fort Campbell north of Nashville Tenn is supposed to have a trout stream, and eastern KY must, but I’m not familiar with them.  Tight lines. Bill Mack

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says… I am about to move to Louisville, Ky and wondered if anyone knew of any good rivers or streams in Kentucky or Southern Indiana to fly fish for trout. Thanks, Allan Meguiar

The are allegedly trout in the Cumberland River between Wolf Creek dam and Burkesville.  You can get there in a couple of hours on US 127.  Fishing is very sensitive to discharge schedule from dam.  Good luck.  I hope you have more luck than me! Jim Gallt

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I am about to move to Louisville, Ky and wondered if anyone knew of any good rivers or streams in Kentucky or Southern Indiana to fly fish for trout. Thanks, Allan Meguiar

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