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South Carolina News 70 degrees at sunrise, clear skies, light breeze out of the WNW. Went fishing!!! jim
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Subject: Re: Trip Report : Camden County Techincal School Fountain Pond (yes I'm serious!)
Got to go out for a few hours today. It was notable in the fact that of three folks fishing that little puddle of water I was the only one catching. Why? Well could it be due to the fact that I was FLY FISHING?!?! Heh.
(great trip report snipped) Michael – this confirms my experience that some interesting fishing can be found in the oddest places – we just need to be alert to the opportunity. Mark Faulkner
Michael – this confirms my experience that some interesting fishing can be found in the oddest places – we just need to be alert to the opportunity. Mark Faulkner
Too true! I know this one spot that looks alright and it right off of route 42 after the Walt Whitman Bridge just before the turn off for Deptford Mall. Right under one of the over passes. I think I am gonna try it this summer! — Michael Era
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1996 Astro 15 footer 90 HP mercury outboard motorguide RF trolling motor custom cover custom trailor. $7995.00 Call Tom Bauer 1-908-686-2800
Hi Guys, I just started coming to this news group in addition to the fly fishing newsgroups I subscribe to. I was once such a hard core bass fisherman that I never went fishing without my boat. Now I do both stream and lake fishing with my first love being fishing for bass and preferably with a fly rod. Being on this group is great! However, I am surprised at the amount of advertising showing up here. Is this a valid forum for advertising your used fishing gear? Pete
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1996 Astro 15 footer 90 HP mercury outboard motorguide RF trolling motor custom cover custom trailor. $7995.00 Call Tom Bauer 1-908-686-2800
I believe personal gear is ok. Trying to pass off comercial for personal is a no no. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Guys, I just started coming to this news group in addition to the fly fishing newsgroups I subscribe to. I was once such a hard core bass fisherman that I never went fishing without my boat. Now I do both stream and lake fishing with my first love being fishing for bass and preferably with a fly rod. Being on this group is great! However, I am surprised at the amount of advertising showing up here. Is this a valid forum for advertising your used fishing gear? Pete 1996 Astro 15 footer 90 HP mercury outboard motorguide RF trolling motor custom cover custom trailor. $7995.00 Call Tom Bauer 1-908-686-2800
The Guidelines allows posting of personal advertisements, as long as the subject specifies ‘For Sale.’ — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Columbia SC, Lake Murray
Thanks. Pete
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » to beach or to net?
Ross, I had the same type of problem and I bought a C&R net with a small bungee cord that has a magnet at either end. One end is attached to the D ring of my vest in the back and the other to the net. The magnets keep the net nice and high on my back and out of the way. When I pull on the net, the magnet releases and allows me to have a long line to net the fish. I don’t go fishing for trout anymore without it. It is one of the best accessories I own. I don’t use it on smaller fish and I have run across some larger fish that just didn’t fit, but for mid-size trout, I highly recommend it. Rooster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The most obvious alternative seems to be to use a catch and release net, and herein lies my question. When fishing alone on a river, how do you use the net and where/how do you carry it while fishing? I’ve seen fishermen on TV with the nets hanging from the back of their vests, presumably on a retractable line. Is that the best approach? Is it easy to access when needed?What is the risk of breaking the rod tip if you have to hold the rod up high to bring the fish in the net?
Hi Ross, As Darin said in his post I too go without a net when fishing the waters around the Seattle area. Depending on the size of the fish I will usually not even touch the fish with my hands if possible. The reason I can do this is a nifty little tool called a Ketchum-Release designed by a fellow up in BC. So long as you use a barbless hook you can use this tool to slide over the line and then down over the fly. Usually with a simple twist or jerk of your wrist you can remove the fly and the fish is off and running. If you have done this with sufficient water under the fish and the fish hasn’t been played too long you won’t even have to touch the fish. If this fish is showing signs of being overly tired you should try to gently hold in gentle current it without EVER removing it from the water. Every second you have it out of the water reduces the fishes chances of recovery drastically. I also try to never release a fish that is visibly bleeding. If it is then it either goes to the eagles who often are nearby watching every move or if regulations permit I’ll take it home to the smoker (Having said that I might have killed all of ten fish in the last 5 years). The Ketchum-Release has got to be one of my all time favorite fly fishing tools. Just make sure you tie it onto your vest as they sink! Gary Disclaimer– I have nothing to do with the company that makes the Ketchum-Release I just like the tool! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m trying to fine tune my landing of medium size trout to minimize harm to the fish. I typically fish in coastal British Columbia rivers, which are prone to rocky shores (at least where I fish) and my normal method of landing fish involves beaching it then releasing it. What I notice however is that often the fish will thrash about on the rocks while I’m in the process of beaching it until I pick the fish up to remove the hook and release it back in the water. I can’t believe that having the fish roll around and hit the rocks (even if its only for a few seconds) can be all that helpful to its survival, so I am trying to find a better approach. The most obvious alternative seems to be to use a catch and release net, and herein lies my question. When fishing alone on a river, how do you use the net and where/how do you carry it while fishing? I’ve seen fishermen on TV with the nets hanging from the back of their vests, presumably on a retractable line. Is that the best approach? Is it easy to access when needed?What is the risk of breaking the rod tip if you have to hold the rod up high to bring the fish in the net? Can anyone share their experiences and recommendations in beaching fish in similar situations, are nets the solution? Sorry if these are dumb questions, any ideas or experience would be appreciated. Ross
I once saw Houston bow fishing for gar and other "rough fish". He was shooting the fish, bringing them in, and then throwing them back in the water. Couldn’t call that c&r at all, more like release and kill. He stated that doing this was "good for conservation" since the gar kill sport fish. I guess it’s a miracle that the largemouth made it this far, without J. Houston to protect them from the bad ol’ gar. David Burnside Since my Jimmy Houston rant a while back, I’ve had occasion to see him a few more times still doing exactly the same shit. I don’t usually watch these shows, so maybe the others are just as bad, but that guy is appalling. It’s unfathomable to me how his mistreatment of the fish he catches continues to pass for sport and entertainment
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certainly. The wet fish gets on dry sand/rock and the protective mucus on it are removed as when people grab fish with dry hands. The fish becomes infected, etc. and later dies.
For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release.
Tony, I to have heard the lore. I always wet my hands, not so much from the lore, but from practical experience as a youth. Down the street from where I was raised in Miami, old man Roberts had a fish farm. His business was importing tropical fish from around the world and selling them to pet shops so that hobbyists could have fish in their tanks. Occasionally, his son John and I would go out and help net & pick fish for the orders being shipped out. The old mans #1 rule was, "wet your hands and keep them wet". The reason being that it protected the fishes mucous which allowed the fish to arrive at their destination in healthy condition without ich growing all over them. I don’t have any scientific basis for any of this, just experience. The old man would usually reward us with a dollar or so and a dime or two for the soda machine. I think the one thing that has changed since the early 60’s that I really miss the most, is the ice-cold 6oz. Coca-Cola’s that would noisily clank down mechanical innards to the dispenser when you put that dime in the slot and depressed the cast iron handle. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release. Tony, I to have heard the lore. I always wet my hands, not so much from the lore, but from practical experience as a youth. Down the street from where I was raised in Miami, old man Roberts had a fish farm. His business was importing tropical fish from around the world and selling them to pet shops so that hobbyists could have fish in their tanks. Occasionally, his son John and I would go out and help net & pick fish for the orders being shipped out. The old mans #1 rule was, "wet your hands and keep them wet". The reason being that it protected the fishes mucous which allowed the fish to arrive at their destination in healthy condition without ich growing all over them. I don’t have any scientific basis for any of this, just experience. The old man would usually reward us with a dollar or so and a dime or two for the soda machine. I think the one thing that has changed since the early 60’s that I really miss the most, is the ice-cold 6oz. Coca-Cola’s that would noisily clank down mechanical innards to the dispenser when you put that dime in the slot and depressed the cast iron handle. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Fall Ball query
Sounds like heaven to me.. I’ll join you in spirit, probably while casting big streamers for Dutch pike in lousy weather. Have fun, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was going to email this only to those that have expressed interest in Fall Ball but, what the hell, it’s slow around here and it may be of passing interest even if you have no intention of attending. These fishing get-togethers tend to defy organization, which is as it should be. Nobody wants to put up with too much organizing. Basically those in attendance show up at the Alarka Creek house sometime in the evening, partner up and pick streams for the next day. It’s not good to have too many folks on the same stream and everybody should get a chance to fish Hazel Creek but those things work themselves out. It would be nice to have one time during the week when everyone in attendance is at the same spot at the same time preferably to break bread together. I had thought of a dinner at the Fryemont Inn on Friday night but getting everybody together for dinner can be a problem. If the hatch starts coming off at 7:30 and you’re supposed to be at a dinner back in town at 8:00… well, you get the idea. We had some very late arrivals at the ‘Clave pig-pickin’ because some folks just didn’t want to leave the stream. So, how about I float this idea. Four miles up Noland Creek, where Mill Creek comes in, is the abandoned town of Solola Valley. The Park Service has picnic tables, an outhouse and a hitchin’ rack up there. I propose a picnic lunch sandwiched between a morning & afternoon of fishing Noland Creek. There’s 4 miles of good water both below and above Solola Valley and Mill Creek holds trout too. Should be enough water for everyone if we pair up & spread out. The only problem I could anticipate, besides the weather, is that some don’t want to hike in 4 miles to a picnic and then hike 4 miles out. The solution is horses. I talked to an outfitter yesterday that would be happy to accomodate us at $75 per horse for the full day. Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek. Comments ? (BTW, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor on a chat room last night that George was going to fly in with T-Bone and a plane full of Bastard Bamboo fly rods.) — Ken Fortenberry
sweet jesus, surely you don’t mean "bryson city billy’s", home of the hot mustangs. as i recall, their motto is, "grab your hat and ass, boys, and watch ‘is!"
Umm, you seem to be confusing the stable with the whorehouse. "Bryson City Billy’s", Home of the Hot Mustangs, is the whorehouse. at all costs, avoid a black stallion called "diablo", and a meek looking bay named "sadie". instant death.
Sadie was the one you were with when the vibrating bed went on the ooow, never mind. As I recall the story, Diablo was black, sure enough, but definitely NOT a stallion. More like 300 lbs. of the meanest whore in North Carolina carrying a torch for Pamlico Jim. Last I heard you two were no longer welcome at "Bryson City Billy’s" because of that incident with the preacher, the vibrator and the hot water heater blowing up. They may have forgotten about it by now, though. — Ken Fortenberry- Historian and friend of the geriatric set
They have a new one called "Cowboy Killer" in from Nevada I understand. DaveS
Ken Fortenberry writes:
(plans snipped) <<Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek. Wonderful idea, Ken. I could do the 4 miles on foot, but it would take me awhile, and Jo would surely chew me out if she found out. But horses? I like the way you think. Only trouble is, I haven’t been on one since my early 20s. These *are* docile animals, right? Dave L.
… But horses? I like the way you think. Only trouble is, I haven’t been on one since my early 20s. These *are* docile animals, right?
Early 20’s would be what, 2-3 years ago ? 
We’ll have the wranglers trot out old swayback Sadie for you Dave, gentle as a lamb and rides like you’re in a big fluffy recliner. — Ken Fortenberry
Ken F: <<Early 20’s would be what, 2-3 years ago ? We’ll have the wranglers trot out old swayback Sadie for you Dave, gentle as a lamb and rides like you’re in a big fluffy recliner. You sweet talkin’ sumbitch! <g I’ll get out the yeller pages and take a lesson or two afore I get there. Sounds good to me. Dave LaCourse
The solution is horses. I talked to an outfitter yesterday that would be happy to accomodate us at $75 per horse for the full day. Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek.
sweet jesus, surely you don’t mean "bryson city billy’s", home of the hot mustangs. as i recall, their motto is, "grab your hat and ass, boys, and watch ‘is!" at all costs, avoid a black stallion called "diablo", and a meek looking bay named "sadie". instant death. hope you guys make it. wayno the concerned – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Comments ? (BTW, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor on a chat room last night that George was going to fly in with T-Bone and a plane full of Bastard Bamboo fly rods.) — Ken Fortenberry
Was going to email this only to those that have expressed interest in Fall Ball but, what the hell, it’s slow around here and it may be of passing interest even if you have no intention of attending. These fishing get-togethers tend to defy organization, which is as it should be. Nobody wants to put up with too much organizing. Basically those in attendance show up at the Alarka Creek house sometime in the evening, partner up and pick streams for the next day. It’s not good to have too many folks on the same stream and everybody should get a chance to fish Hazel Creek but those things work themselves out. It would be nice to have one time during the week when everyone in attendance is at the same spot at the same time preferably to break bread together. I had thought of a dinner at the Fryemont Inn on Friday night but getting everybody together for dinner can be a problem. If the hatch starts coming off at 7:30 and you’re supposed to be at a dinner back in town at 8:00… well, you get the idea. We had some very late arrivals at the ‘Clave pig-pickin’ because some folks just didn’t want to leave the stream. So, how about I float this idea. Four miles up Noland Creek, where Mill Creek comes in, is the abandoned town of Solola Valley. The Park Service has picnic tables, an outhouse and a hitchin’ rack up there. I propose a picnic lunch sandwiched between a morning & afternoon of fishing Noland Creek. There’s 4 miles of good water both below and above Solola Valley and Mill Creek holds trout too. Should be enough water for everyone if we pair up & spread out. The only problem I could anticipate, besides the weather, is that some don’t want to hike in 4 miles to a picnic and then hike 4 miles out. The solution is horses. I talked to an outfitter yesterday that would be happy to accomodate us at $75 per horse for the full day. Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek. Comments ? (BTW, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor on a chat room last night that George was going to fly in with T-Bone and a plane full of Bastard Bamboo fly rods.) — Ken Fortenberry
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Mendocino Kayak
I’m interested in fishing from a kayak and have seen ads from a California company that makes a molded plastic catamaran-style kayak they claim is "designed for fishermen." Anyone have any experience with Mendocino Kayaks? Obviously I’d like something that paddles easily, is relatively stable, light-weight and car-toppable. I’d welcome comments and suggestions.
I currently own an Ocean Kayak malibu II, I love it. Its a two seater so maybe a single for you? The "sit on top" kayaks are real stable to fish from , which is my main reason for my purchacing one. I dont know your type of fishing, mine is fly fishing salt water flats and channels.Maybe this will help. Good luck mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in fishing from a kayak and have seen ads from a California company that makes a molded plastic catamaran-style kayak they claim is "designed for fishermen." Anyone have any experience with Mendocino Kayaks? Obviously I’d like something that paddles easily, is relatively stable, light-weight and car-toppable. I’d welcome comments and suggestions.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Snags with heavy line
I have primarily used monofilament of 10lb test or smaller on my rods. I have often had lures shoot back at me when attempting to free snagged lures. My question is if I were to use heavy mono or superlines such as spiderwire, how do I keep lures from zinging back at me at ungodly speeds? How much should you tug on a lure before you decide to cut the line? Are there techniques of line-tugging that direct lure-flight away from anglers? When bank fishing, I sometimes position myself behind a tree, but sometimes there is nothing to hide behind. I hear a lot about superlines paying for themselves by saving lures, but I think it would be rather difficult (not to mention unsafe) to attempt to straighten out a heavy 4/0 worm hook (I COULD understand light-wire hooks). Anyone out there with similar fears of flying worm weights and treble hooks? How do you handle such things? Scott
Actually Scott, when using braided or fused super lines, the lures won’t be zapping back at you at light speed after freeing a snag. The only reason your lures are currently flying back at you is because in the process of pulling a snagged lure free, you are actually stretching the mono like a huge rubber band. So when the lure pulls free of the snag, the mono contracts and ……zzing… But with no stretch super lines…this problem won’t exist. If you pull free of the snag, the lure just would probably move a foot or two only. Either that or you bust the line. Linus
Scott, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have primarily used monofilament of 10lb test or smaller on my rods. I have often had lures shoot back at me when attempting to free snagged lures. My question is if I were to use heavy mono or superlines such as spiderwire, how do I keep lures from zinging back at me at ungodly speeds? How much should you tug on a lure before you decide to cut the line? Are there techniques of line-tugging that direct lure-flight away from anglers? When bank fishing, I sometimes position myself behind a tree, but sometimes there is nothing to hide behind. I hear a lot about superlines paying for themselves by saving lures, but I think it would be rather difficult (not to mention unsafe) to attempt to straighten out a heavy 4/0 worm hook (I COULD understand light-wire hooks). Anyone out there with similar fears of flying worm weights and treble hooks? How do you handle such things?
The branded lines don’t stretch like mono, so they don’t fly back at you when they break loose. When you pull on mono, it stretches like a rubber band. When it breaks free, it’s time to duck. When I break a mono line, I look the other way and keep my head down. Richard
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Wild & Scenic Rivers Information Requested
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are we thinking of the same bridge and river? The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior. The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi. Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens. Hmmm…. It is very strange to read this article. As a resident of Stillwater for the past 10 years, I can tell you this bridge project, or a number like it, have been around since I’ve been here. Last I heard the project was still on. Here is a quote from another article I found. Still on this year’s list are West Virginia’s Corridor H project, Indiana’s I-69, Connecticut’s Route 6, California’s I-710, U.S. Forest Service roads, the Automated Highway System and Minnesota’s Stillwater Bridge. Meanwhile, the Stillwater bridge project’s inclusion in Green Scissors for a second year promoted more calls for the project’s re-evaluation. In a Minneapolis Star Tribune article, (2/5) Rep. Jim Randstad, (R-MN) who endorsed the report, criticized the bridge project: "They need to go back to the drawing board. (The project) needs to be scaled down consistent with the area’s environment." Declaring "Victory" sounds very bizarre to me. We have very complex situation here. First, the current Stillwater bridge is deteriorating fast, (not to mention that it is a hideous monstrosity). Second, the recreational pressures on the St Croix Valley are tremendous and Stillwater is at the epicenter of this pressure. The result, a huge traffic jam every Saturday & Sunday, morning and evening. Third, while the St Croix is a "National Scenic Waterway", the area they are planning to build is hardly the most scenic part of the river. NSP plant just down river, Stillwater Water Treatment is right there. A bridge is needed, but not one of the scale they have planned. -Michael
This is helpful, because it strongly suggests this is NOT the same proposed bridge. The one I was talking about would be over the St. Croix itself and IN WISCONSIN, not Minnesota!
This is helpful, because it strongly suggests this is NOT the same proposed bridge. The one I was talking about would be over the St. Croix itself and IN WISCONSIN, not Minnesota!
The St. Croix River is the border between Wi and MN from Prescott WI (About 20 miles SE of St. Paul) north to St. Croix Falls (maybe a little further north.) If they’re talking about the Stillwater bridge I doubt the project will seriously effect the scenic value of the area which is essentially suburban. (5 miles downstream I-94 crosses the river on two large bridges. 4 miles downstream a railroad bridge crosses the river.) For a glimpse of the Stillwater bridge watch the movie "Grumpier Old Men". The scene where Mel and the guy are breaking up is shot on the waterfront in Stillwater with the bridge in the background. If they’re talking about a bridge over the St. Croix where its inland in Wisconsin then I have to know if we’re talking about a one culvert bridge or a two culvert bridge? (Its not that big a river farther north.) John Close
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are we thinking of the same bridge and river? The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior. The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi. Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens. The Sierra Club, Northstar Chapter, in Minnesota, spearheaded the effort to protect the river. In early December the River Alliance teamed up with the Sierra Club to send an Urgent Alert to 600+ River Alliance members across Wisconsin asking them to write to Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt. William Schenk, Park Service Midwest Area Director, said of the project, "the massive structure would adversely affect the natural and historic scene, altering the scenic qualities of this segment of the river more than any development since designation as a National Wild and Scenic Riverway." The unnecessary project would have increased urban sprawl and added a large cement structure to a previously untouched area of the riverway. This project would have forever changed the character of the area. Sara Johnson, Executive Director of the River Alliance, said of the decision, "What a great way to start the New Year. The bridge was a terrible idea and we applaud the Department of the Interior for stopping the project. This decision sends a strong message that our Wild and Scenic Rivers are national treasures not to be messed with." If you know of another bridge project, I’d be glad to hear about it.
THANK YOU very much!!! I’ll bet it’s the same one after all—weird that the local newspaper that printed the story didn’t say a word about this deus-ex-machina manuever by the Dept. of the Interior!—but if I learn any more about it I’ll post it. Thanks again!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are we thinking of the same bridge and river? The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior. The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi. Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens.
Hmmm…. It is very strange to read this article. As a resident of Stillwater for the past 10 years, I can tell you this bridge project, or a number like it, have been around since I’ve been here. Last I heard the project was still on. Here is a quote from another article I found. Still on this year’s list are West Virginia’s Corridor H project, Indiana’s I-69, Connecticut’s Route 6, California’s I-710, U.S. Forest Service roads, the Automated Highway System and Minnesota’s Stillwater Bridge. Meanwhile, the Stillwater bridge project’s inclusion in Green Scissors for a second year promoted more calls for the project’s re-evaluation. In a Minneapolis Star Tribune article, (2/5) Rep. Jim Randstad, (R-MN) who endorsed the report, criticized the bridge project: "They need to go back to the drawing board. (The project) needs to be scaled down consistent with the area’s environment." Declaring "Victory" sounds very bizarre to me. We have very complex situation here. First, the current Stillwater bridge is deteriorating fast, (not to mention that it is a hideous monstrosity). Second, the recreational pressures on the St Croix Valley are tremendous and Stillwater is at the epicenter of this pressure. The result, a huge traffic jam every Saturday & Sunday, morning and evening. Third, while the St Croix is a "National Scenic Waterway", the area they are planning to build is hardly the most scenic part of the river. NSP plant just down river, Stillwater Water Treatment is right there. A bridge is needed, but not one of the scale they have planned. -Michael
Yesterday I got another shock: It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous. I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…? Fortunately that bridge was vetoed by the Department of the Interior. For more information, you might check out the River Alliance of Wisconsin website. I don’t have the url handy but you can link there from http://www.awa.org/awa/affil_clubs/rts.htm
Wild and Scenic has meant improving the road, blocking off the pull over on the shoulder where we use to park to scout Pin Ball , building over priced signs and getting on the web for the ——. Next will come the fees, permits and the crowds. I’m sure it has also done some good that I haven’t noticed. gene
Yesterday I got another shock: It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous. I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…? Fortunately that bridge was vetoed by the Department of the Interior. For more information, you might check out the River Alliance of Wisconsin website. I don’t have the url handy but you can link there from http://www.awa.org/awa/affil_clubs/rts.htm
Are we thinking of the same bridge and river? The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior. The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi.
Are we thinking of the same bridge and river? The one I referred to was in the news two days ago as still being under serious consideration, and there was nothing in the article about any involvement by the Dept. of the Interior. The river is in northwestern Wisconsin; the St. Croix flows into the Mississippi.
Perhaps not, but here is what is posted on The River Alliance of Wisconsin website: http://www.igc.apc.org/wisrivers/ "Victory on the St. Croix River Department of Interior Vetoes Stillwater Bridge As a New Year’s present to the St. Croix the Department of the Interior decided to veto the proposed Stillwater Bridge across the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. The decision came partly as a result of public pressure from concerned citizens. The Sierra Club, Northstar Chapter, in Minnesota, spearheaded the effort to protect the river. In early December the River Alliance teamed up with the Sierra Club to send an Urgent Alert to 600+ River Alliance members across Wisconsin asking them to write to Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt. William Schenk, Park Service Midwest Area Director, said of the project, "the massive structure would adversely affect the natural and historic scene, altering the scenic qualities of this segment of the river more than any development since designation as a National Wild and Scenic Riverway." The unnecessary project would have increased urban sprawl and added a large cement structure to a previously untouched area of the riverway. This project would have forever changed the character of the area. Sara Johnson, Executive Director of the River Alliance, said of the decision, "What a great way to start the New Year. The bridge was a terrible idea and we applaud the Department of the Interior for stopping the project. This decision sends a strong message that our Wild and Scenic Rivers are national treasures not to be messed with." If you know of another bridge project, I’d be glad to hear about it.
Yesterday I got another shock: It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous. I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…?
Fortunately that bridge was vetoed by the Department of the Interior. For more information, you might check out the River Alliance of Wisconsin website. I don’t have the url handy but you can link there from http://www.awa.org/awa/affil_clubs/rts.htm
I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm. The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River. It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie
A single stretch can be designated either Wild, Scenic or Recreational or all three depending on the amount of development and access at each segment. Take a look at http://www.nps.gov/ccso/wildriverslist.htm for a complete list. Thanks for the info. Yea we’re up here in GodforsakenMontana- more snow this December than any other single month in history. Should have some good flows through the whole summer… I’m still looking for any type of Wild and Scenic info I can find on how the designation affects the people and businesses afterwards.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm. The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River. It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie A single stretch can be designated either Wild, Scenic or Recreational or all three depending on the amount of development and access at each segment. Take a look at http://www.nps.gov/ccso/wildriverslist.htm for a complete list. Thanks for the info. Yea we’re up here in GodforsakenMontana- more snow this December than any other single month in history. Should have some good flows through the whole summer… I’m still looking for any type of Wild and Scenic info I can find on how the designation affects the people and businesses afterwards.
I don’t know if this is within the ball-park as to what you want, but here goes: A while ago I wrote about the construction of a huge Interstate section along the Namekagon River, a gorgeous river in Northwest Wisconsin that was the first river to go under the "protection" of federal designation as a "wild river"…long BEFORE the Intersate was built. My point (apparently misunderstood) was that such designation apparently did nothing to protect the river in that case. Yesterday I got another shock: It seems there is now a debate over building a huge modern goddamn BRIDGE over the river…or perhaps downstream over the St. Croix into which the Namekagon flows, which is (has been?) equally wild and gorgeous. I suggested that the "wild river" designation might induce a false sense of security among those who care about such matters…?
I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm. The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River. It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie
There is a FEDERAL wild and scenic rivers act as well as individual state designations. The state and federal designations may overlap, conflict or complement one another in a specific situation. Most Wild and Scenic rivers involve several jurisdictions, ie. BLM, USFS, private landowners, BIA, NativeAmerican tribes, state owned lands. Under either designation (state or federal) developing a use plan is a very complex process involving an incredible balancing act among all the competing interests. The plans for the Deschutes and Metolius in Oregon as an example have been going since the late 80s and some issues are not yet resolved. You might contact Oregon Parks and Recreation(via the web) or the BLM (Prineville Office) for info or copies of plans. Also the BLM or USFS in Idaho for the upper Snake river plan. I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. hmm. The Yellow Dog River in the western upper peninsula is a designated Wild and Scenic River. It starts in a national wilderness area and flows through that area only a couple miles, and then flows the rest of its length through state lands, but still designated Wild and Scenic along its entire length. are there exceptions? ——Muskie
Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state." Tom McGuane
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.?? Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit.
Ooops… meant to say Colorado…
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.?? Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit. Big Sky…. as in Montana? What rivers? Know the East Glacier area…. Although I am also familiar with Great Falls, however, when going to Montana to play, Great Falls is not high on the list. Jeanne
I don’t KNOW, but see my responses above under "Elitism…" or the like.
I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of this designation from the point of view of recreationists, land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.?? Is there any body of work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? Many thanks,
| I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.?? Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit.
I’ve discussed this before with FS officials. Wild and Scenic rivers are administered by the USFS. If the river doesn’t flow through USFS land, they can’t regulate it. — Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm
I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic.
Here’s a starting point or two: http://www.sierraclub.org/ http://www.cwo.com/~trout/ Anglerboy
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I’m associated with a group exploring the possibility of starting the | process of getting a river designated Wild & Scenic. | | Are there any studies available that fully define the pros and cons of | this designation from the point of view of recreationists, | land-owners, timber and mining companies etc.?? Is there any body of | work to explore what the after-effects have been to designated rivers? | | Many thanks, | I am cross-posting this request to rec.boats.paddle newsgroup. This might be a potential source of contacts who have experience from which you might benefit.
Big Sky…. as in Montana? What rivers? Know the East Glacier area…. Although I am also familiar with Great Falls, however, when going to Montana to play, Great Falls is not high on the list. Jeanne
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fish » Minneapolis, MN, in September
I will be in Minneapolis in the third week of September, and would like to stay an extra day to fly fish. What is available within a reasonable distance of Minneapolis, and can someone recommend a guide? Thank you.
I hear Christmas Lake (South of Lake Minnetonka a bit) is the only lake in the metro area that’s good enough for trout. I don’t know what kind of access there is, though. Maybe someone can verify this? Pete
I will be in Minneapolis in the third week of September, and would like to stay an extra day to fly fish. What is available within a reasonable distance of Minneapolis, and can someone recommend a guide? Thank you.
Whitewater River and Root River are both within 2 hours of Minneapolis. They are in the Rochester, MN area. Here are the #’s for a couple of Minneapolis area flyshops: Bob Mitchell’s Fly Shop 612.770.5854 The Fly Angler 612.572.0717 I’m sure they will direct you towards Wisconsin. _-=J=-_
I lived in Minneapolis for about 5 years and belonged to a fly-Tying/Fishing group. You can find a good plenty of good streams very close to Mpls. If you want to fish trout, head to the Kinnickinnic near River Falls Wisconsin (25 miles from Mpls) and drive to the park/dam in town, Lot’s o’ browns. Also the Root in southern MN (1 hour). If you want BIG bass, there are alot of lakes in and around the city, Centerville Lake, 10 miles north on 35w is a good late summer producer. All in All, call some fly shops when you get there, they will be glad to help. Bob Crossley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in Minneapolis in the third week of September, and would like to stay an extra day to fly fish. What is available within a reasonable distance of Minneapolis, and can someone recommend a guide? Thank you.
I will be in Minneapolis in the third week of September, and would like to stay an extra day to fly fish. What is available within a reasonable distance of Minneapolis, and can someone recommend a guide? Thank you.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Wind River Range?
Recently I was looking out the window of a jet and daydreaming. As we passed over southern Montana I saw what seemed to be an isolated range of mountains with lots of lakes and streams. It looked beautiful. When I got home and checked the map it appeared to be the Wind River Range. Does anybody know if this is an interesting area for fly fishing and backpacking? Thanks. Charles Daniel
Recently I was looking out the window of a jet and daydreaming. As we passed over southern Montana I saw what seemed to be an isolated range of mountains with lots of lakes and streams. It looked beautiful. When I got home and checked the map it appeared to be the Wind River Range. Does anybody know if this is an interesting area for fly fishing and backpacking? Thanks. Charles Daniel
Charles: The Winds are indeed absolutely beautiful. I have done a number of backpacking trips into various portions of the Winds and they have spectacular scenery and fabulous fishing. I’ve been on lakes where you could literally catch 12"-16" cutthroats on about every cast. There are a number of trailheads on both the east and west sides of the range, and there are hundreds of lakes with fish in them. You can get forest service maps of the range (I think it’s the Shoshone Natl. Forest and the office is in Pinedale, WY). The Winds are definitely worth a trip – or ten. Good luck, Bob
Recently I was looking out the window of a jet and daydreaming. As we passed over southern Montana I saw what seemed to be an isolated range of mountains with lots of lakes and streams. It looked beautiful. When I got home and checked the map it appeared to be the Wind River Range. Does anybody know if this is an interesting area for fly fishing and backpacking? Thanks. Charles Daniel
Better check your map again. The Winds are in Wyoming. However, they are a superb location for fishing and backpacking. Some of the most beautiful country in the state is in the Winds. Don Kelly